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00:05 < Mike1> EpA: ?
00:05 * EpA looks at Mike
00:05 < Mike1> como estas
00:05 < EpA> pura vida.
00:05 < Mike1> whats up?
00:05 < EpA> Hey people, doing a DoS and hacking into a machine is to very diffrent things, right?
00:05 < EpA> s/to/two
00:06 < Mike1> what do you mean by ... doing a DoS?
00:06 < Mike1> like sending dos command lines for services deny?
00:06 < EpA> Mike: Denial of Service attack
00:07 < Mike1> yup thats not hacking but its not good
00:07 < Mike1> why is there anyone attacking you?
00:07 < EpA> hehe, dont worry about that. Thanks.
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00:08 < chrisime> Mike1: _
00:08 < chrisime> ?
00:08 < Mike1> mm.. extrange
00:08 < Mike1> chrisime: ?
00:09 < chrisime> done with the tut?
00:09 < Mike1> chrisime: no i am at work i can do only very little work on it right now
00:09 < chrisime> oh
00:09 < chrisime> no worries
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00:10 < Mike1> chrisime: thought i will have more time on the weekend
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00:11 < _NULL> gn8. cu
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00:12 < chrisime> Mike1: ok, weekend
00:13 < Mike1> chrisime: anyways i go now so talk to you tomorrow
00:14 < Mike1> cu all
00:14 < chrisime> Mike1: fine
00:15 < chrisime> cu, thx
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00:41 < mnemoc> hello
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00:42 < mnemoc> why 'icc' package is 0 (zero) instead of X or O?
00:42 < mnemoc> (rock 1.7)
00:42 < mnemoc> what does it means?
00:46 < mnemoc> too late for asking :\
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01:41 < mnemoc> anybody awake?
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02:03 < demian> hi all
02:03 < huebi> hi demian
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05:57 < demian> cya
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08:48 < huebi> moin
08:50 < litost> moin huebui
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09:04 < tcr> moin all
09:04 < huebi> moin litost
09:04 < huebi> tcr: moin
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10:28 < aszlig_no_telnet> hull
10:28 < aszlig_no_telnet> o
10:34 < ^majik^> what lang is that?
10:43 < blindcoder> hi all
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11:15 < aszlig_no_telnet> ^majik^: thats a special lang, worse than brainf*ck
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11:19 < aszlig> hullo blindcoder ;)
11:30 < ^majik^> hehe
11:40 < praenti> moin
11:53 < th> geht ein printk(KERN_ALERT ...) unweigerlich auf die console?
12:00 < th> ahh das macht ja der klogd *ankopfhau*
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12:09 < tcr> re
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12:47 < SMP> th: console loglevel ;)
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12:48 < th> SMP: ack. -c 1
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15:28 < bluefire> hi
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16:20 < blindcoder> oh boy... anyone can make a readable format out of a quicktime?
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16:47 < mnemoc> hi
16:48 * mnemoc is back [gone:11hrs 14mins 15secs] : [ back ]
16:49 < mnemoc> anybody home?
16:49 < mnemoc> =[
16:54 < mnemoc> does anybody knows why icc is '0' (zero) instead of X or O?
16:57 < blindcoder> looks like a typo?
16:58 < mnemoc> [P] 0 -1-------- 107.000
16:59 < mnemoc> is it an O?
17:00 < blindcoder> I'd say it should be...
17:01 < mnemoc> should i send a patch for this or just telling someone?
17:01 < blindcoder> 1.7 ... hmm... either send it to the list or tell cliff if you see him here
17:02 < mnemoc> btw, which is his nick?
17:03 < blindcoder> clifford
17:03 < mnemoc> thanks
17:04 < mnemoc> second and last question
17:05 < mnemoc> what could mean that icc.desc does not include any [D] line... but lot of patches?
17:05 < praenti> blindcoder: hi
17:05 < blindcoder> hi praenti
17:05 < blindcoder> mnemoc: uhm.. sorry, no ideo...
17:06 < praenti> blindcoder: can you tell me what a \g is in a regex
17:06 < blindcoder> praenti: I tried to set up cyrus a few hours ago...
17:06 < blindcoder> \g ?
17:06 < praenti> and (.+)
17:06 < blindcoder> i know /g (g being the very last letter) meaning global
17:06 < blindcoder> and .+ ... lemme see...
17:06 < praenti> ok /g
17:06 < blindcoder> . = ANY character
17:06 < blindcoder> + = at least one occurance
17:06 < praenti> i have there a (.+)/g
17:07 < blindcoder> so .+ means at least one (possibly more) of ANY character
17:07 < blindcoder> and the parentheses gives you a return value
17:07 < praenti> .* means all character as i know regex right?
17:07 < blindcoder> (.+)/g ?? makes no sense at all
17:07 < blindcoder> praenti: .* means ZERO or MORE Occurances
17:07 < blindcoder> .+ means ONE or MORE occurances
17:07 < blindcoder> .+ is lik .{1,}
17:08 < blindcoder> and /g is only useful when doing s/
17:09 < praenti> blindcoder: aha. i thought that this regexp is not sensefull. because it doesnt work at all. the virus alert mail from amavis does not show me the scaned virus
17:09 < blindcoder>  /(.+)/g should bring an error...
17:10 < blindcoder> because the /g shouldn't be there in the first place...
17:10 < blindcoder> praenti: have you installed cyrus or another imapd ?
17:11 < praenti> praenti: cyrus, but not configured at the moment
17:11 < blindcoder> does it work?
17:11 < blindcoder> I installed it, too, but it didn't work at all
17:11 < blindcoder> cyradm tries to conenct for hours until it gets ^C'd
17:12 < praenti> blindcoder: i dont know
17:13 < praenti> blindcoder: what regexp do i need when i want the part in the []: ALERT: [Eicar-Test-Signatur virus] eicar.com
17:13 < praenti> mom. ALERT: [Eicar-Test-Signatur virus] eicar.com <<< Contains code of the Eicar-Test-Signatur virus
17:13 < praenti> now its complete
17:14 < blindcoder> /^.*?\[(.*?)\].*?$/ I'd say
17:14 < blindcoder>  /^.*?\[(.*?)\].*?$/ I'd say
17:14 < blindcoder> it should be in $1 then
17:15 < praenti> antivir gives me a little bit more output. i must identify the line first. the attribute of the line is the ALERT:
17:15 < blindcoder>  /^ALERT.*?\[(.*?)\].*?$/ I'd say
17:16 < blindcoder> the ^ is the beginning of the line and so ^ALERT means that it only returns something if the line starts with ALERT
17:16 < praenti> i think i need a book for regexp
17:17 < blindcoder> O'Reillys Camel-Book is just fine
17:17 < praenti> but there is not all about regexp
17:18 < praenti> argh  i dont have any information in the mail.
17:18 < blindcoder> but everything you need about perl-regex
17:19 < praenti> ok. thats true
17:19 < praenti> perhaps i'm not trained enough ;-)
17:20 < blindcoder> just munch two or three dozens of them for breakfast and it works out
17:20 < praenti> blindcoder: btw. what does the $ at the end?
17:21 < blindcoder> it marks the end of line
17:21 < blindcoder> I just use it out of a habit
17:21 < blindcoder> so that the line os complete :)
17:22 < praenti> ok. i must leave you now. cu
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17:22 < _NULL> hi
17:23 < blindcoder> hi nullchen :)
17:23 < _NULL> *lol* hi blindcoder ;P
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17:24 < _NULL> moin netcrow
17:24 < blindcoder> hi netti
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17:41 < _NULL> hi [anders]
17:45 < netcrow> &quit
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17:47 < [anders]> re _NULL
17:47 < [anders]> there is network lag galore here..
17:47 < [anders]> :(
18:05 < esden> hi all
18:06 < _NULL> hi esden ;)
18:07 < blindcoder> ESDEN *hugs*
18:14 < esden> hi blindy
18:14 < esden> *rehug*
18:15 * _NULL schmeisst sich weg
18:15 * th hebt _NULL auf.
18:15 < th> hi folks
18:15 < _NULL> hi th
18:15 < blindcoder> hi th
18:16 < esden> blindcoder: you should read this : http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3341468184.html and http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT9433088428.html
18:17 < blindcoder> what is it?
18:17 < esden> others that are not familiar with gnupg should reat it too
18:18 < blindcoder> okay, I'll keep it in mind
18:18 < esden> this are two articles that are really good to start using gnupg ... and if you already use it to make your knowlidge wider
18:18 < esden> or so
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19:20 < tcr> re
19:21 < _NULL> hi tcr
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19:31 < tcr> th?
19:31 < th> ack
19:31 < th> tcr: sup?
19:31 < tcr> th: i really like that vim feature
19:31 < tcr> why are you against it?
19:31 < th> tcr: which one?
19:31 < tcr> incsearch
19:32 < th> because it's not vi-like
19:32 < tcr> the file is called vimrc
19:32 < tcr> :)
19:32 < th> tcr: you can enable it by doing echo "set incsearch" >> ~/.vimrc
19:32 < th> tcr: but i like to have a vi-like vim
19:32 < tcr> th: isn
19:32 < tcr> damn
19:33 < tcr> th: isn't there an option to make vim almost 100% vi conform?
19:33 < tcr> IIRC all vim-specific options are ignored then
19:33 < th> tcr: i want vim to be vi-conform by defaults
19:33 < th> overwhelming features shall be enabled by user
19:34 < tcr> yes
19:34 < tcr> i agree to this, but this option isn't very overwhelming
19:34 < th> so i vote for a not-so-overloaded system-wide vimrc
19:35 < tcr> if you really want a vi-like vim, you shall create an alias to "vim -options-that-makes-it-vi-conform"
19:36 < tcr> th: anyway ... please *don't* remove this line from the file, just comment it out
19:36 < tcr> th: and ... what's vimemacs? A plugin?
19:36 < th> i'm talking about the default behaviour.
19:37 < th> i know that i can create aliases and/or adapted vimrc files
19:37 < th> tcr: i don't know it
19:37 < tcr> th: afaik it's a plugin, and it should not go into the vim package. Is there any way to build extensible packages?
19:37 < tcr> extensibled
19:38 < th> tcr: not really
19:39 < th> tcr: and i won't edit that file somehow i'm just voting for the default global vimrc
19:39 < tcr> th: well, there're two obviously reason to not include: 1) KISS, 2) most emacs user don't want to use a vim, nevermind if it emulates emacs or not
19:40 < tcr> s,ly,,1
19:42 < tcr> th: btw. why do you want this full vi conformity if incsearch is quite helpful and tricky (imho)?
19:42 < th> i dislike incsearch
19:43 < th> i hate it when it jumps around while entering keys
19:43 < th> and if i'm in position i still need to press enter
19:43 < tcr> yes, but you recognize typos quicker
19:44 < th> real admins don't do typos ;)
19:44 < tcr> nevermind, it's you opinion ;)
19:50 < tcr> i'm going to go out ... celebrating birthday of one of my brothers ... probably going eating greek
19:51 < tcr> greek meals rules :)
19:51 < th> have fun
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20:16 < demian> hi all
20:16 < th> hi demian
20:22 < demian> hi tobias, wassup ?
20:24 < th> hmm
20:24 < th> i'm hungry
20:24 < th> yes.
20:24 < th> that's it
20:25 < demian> what are you waiting to eat ..?
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20:56 < LocalHero> Hi all :)
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21:30 < demian> re
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21:52 < Mike1> moin
21:52 < demian> Mike1: !!
21:52 < Mike1> th [anders] awake?
21:52 < demian> how are you mikey ?
21:52 < Mike1> hi demian
21:52 < Mike1> i am ok thanks and your self?
21:53 < demian> fine
21:53 < Mike1> its been a while not seen you
21:53 < demian> yeah.. you never appear around
21:55 < Mike1> i am always here
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21:57 < Mike1> chrisSHOWER: got a sec?
21:57 < chrisSHOWER> sure
21:57 < chrisSHOWER> u r lucky
21:57 < chrisSHOWER> the bath is occupied
21:57 < Mike1> i have been working on the tut last night
21:57 < chrisSHOWER> kewl
21:58 < Mike1> any guidelines on what you want included
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21:58 < chrisSHOWER> Mike1: no
21:59 < chrisSHOWER> just the  basic stuff
21:59 < chrisSHOWER> how to install gnome-core elements
21:59 * Mike1 on the phone
21:59 < chrisSHOWER> people will figure out how to install fifth toe, etc.
22:00 < chrisSHOWER> Mike1: shower! talk to u in about 30 minutes, ok?
22:00 < chrisSHOWER> or. email me, if u r busy or whatever afterwards: chrisime@gnome.org
22:00 < Mike1> yes
22:01 * chrisSHOWER hits the shower now
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22:23 < martin_> hello all
22:33 < chrisSHOWER> Mike1: back
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22:33 < th> Mike1: ack
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22:36 < Mike1> th ok so want backup thingy removed from vim?
22:37 < th> Mike1: i just want to have it discussed. let's give it some time
22:38 < th> Mike1: me personally - i *hate* the three mentioned options.
22:38 < demian> i dunt like a vim bkup file :)
22:38 < th> demian: so answer to my mail on the mailing list
22:39 < demian> no have time now.. later..
22:39 < demian> i have to leave, cya
22:39 < th> later demian
22:39 < Mike1> chrisime: ok look i am currently working around to finally include gnome2 to normal cvs tree
22:40 < Mike1> so the tut will be worth it :)
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22:40 < Mike1> th: got a patch with a suggested vimrc thingy to apply? if so sent it to me :)
22:41 < chrisime> Mike1: neat
22:41 < Mike1> th else let me see if i can do something about later i am currently taking care of gnome2 a tut and some personal issues around
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22:46 < th> Mike1: i just dislike the following lines:
22:46 < th> # The advanced features of vim are enabled now by copying 2 files.
22:46 < th> cp -v $root/usr/share/vim/vim61/vimrc_example.vim $root/usr/share/vim/vimrc
22:46 < th> cp -v $root/usr/share/vim/vim61/gvimrc_example.vim $root/usr/share/vim/gvimrc
22:47 < th> (from vim.conf)
22:50 < huebi> th: just use nvi ;>
22:50 < _NULL> hi huebi. wie geht's?
22:52 < tcr> re
22:53 < Mike1> th: ack actually master huebi had added those lines
22:54 < tcr> th: ack
22:54 < Mike1> perhaps we could have something like vimrc.foo and gvimrc.foo in the base-config file for vim
22:54 < tcr> er
22:54 < tcr> huebi: ack :)
22:54 < Mike1> and apply those in stead
22:55 < th> huebi: i really like vim
22:55 < Mike1> btw hi huebi how are you today?
22:55 < huebi> Mike1: fine.
22:55 < Mike1> th: also if you got 14 fingers or so try emacs :)
22:55 * huebi fideling arround with an ethernet bridge and yagi antennas...
22:56 < th> huebi: you were the bad guy adding these three lines?
22:57 < huebi> th: I wanted to have vim because of the advanced features. nvi is like vi and therefore the sufficient one if you want to have a pure vi.
22:57 < huebi> th: ack
22:57 < huebi> th: but why bad? ;-)
22:57 < tcr> huebi: nak, nvi is only good for rescue disks
22:57 < th> because these were bad lines.
22:58 < Mike1> huebi: we could get rid of the bk thing i dislike it as well
22:58 < huebi> Mike1:  bk thing? what do you mean?
22:59 < huebi> what about a setup script for vim at installation time?
22:59 < th> huebi: bk like backup
22:59 < huebi> "Do you wnat to activate most of the advanced features of vim?"
23:00 < th> huebi: sounds good
23:00 < th> huebi: full ack
23:00 < Mike1> huebi: i mean the /usr/share/vim/vimrc 'set backup'
23:00 < tcr> th: no
23:00 < tcr> i don't agree to this
23:00 < huebi> Mike1: ah, yes. Now I know what you mean...
23:01 < tcr> IMHO, the configuration process should only do the most elementar things, nothing else
23:01 < Mike1> btw i dont consider necesary the vim setup script, but i sure would like to remove the bk :)
23:01 < tcr> you could write a config file, put it into /etc/setup.d/, but you shouldn't call it at boot time
23:01 < tcr> s,at boot time, after installation,
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23:03 < th> perhaps we need a /etc/manual-not-so-important-setup.d/
23:03 < tcr> something like that
23:04 < Mike1> th btw have you test my change on  vim.conf? have we got gvim now?
23:04 < huebi>  /etc/setup.d/99-not-that-important-setup
23:04 < th> Mike1: you changed vim.conf?
23:04 < Mike1> /etc/m-setup.d/
23:04 < tcr> th: look, at anytime someone will come and say ``what about adding an X setup script``, this will end up in a YaST like tool.
23:04 < Mike1> th: i ment vim.pz sorry :)
23:05 < th> huebi: wouldn't that be run after installation as well?
23:05 < Mike1> tcr: wanna port yast to rocklinux?
23:05 < th> CRYYYY
23:05 < tcr> YaST isn't that bad as many says though
23:06 < tcr> YaST isn't as bad as many say though
23:06 < _NULL> tcr: are you ill?
23:06 < th> Mike1: ahh i see
23:06 < Mike1> perhpas why not not something like "Would you like to run optional setup scripts" on the setup thing so if u answer yeat all optional scripts can be run??
23:06 < huebi> th: Yes. And it 1st will ask if you want to setupup not that nessesary things.
23:06 < th> Mike1: i did not test it yet...
23:07 < Mike1> th: ok
23:07 < tcr> why do we need that setup script at all?
23:07 < th> huebi: perhaps there should be a question like: "do you want to run setup scripts greater than 90 now?"
23:08 < tcr> just put an example vimrc that is commented out all things.
23:08 < tcr> arghs
23:08 < tcr> sorry about my english, it seems i need sleep
23:09 < th> and we could define "optional setup" by setup-level > 50
23:09 < th> tcr: i don't want rock to provide ANY vimrc file
23:10 < Mike1> if this is just for a vimrc thing let simply create a vimrc.foo file that can be copied in stead of the vimrc-sample
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23:10 < Mike1> the vimrc.foo file can be at the vim base-config fir
23:10 < tcr> th: why? it's provided by the actual vim resources, isn't it`?
23:10 < Mike1> demian: ?
23:10 < demian> damn rain :(. re
23:11 < th> tcr: yes
23:11 < Mike1> damian so you will not go to san ramon?
23:11 < tcr> tcr: so why shouldn't rock provide it?
23:11 < tcr> lol th ;)
23:11 < demian> Mike1: ill go.. but when rain stops, and it's demian, not damian :)
23:11 < Mike1> :P
23:12 < Mike1> demian: ok
23:12 * Mike1 installing rock 1.2 on an old box he just got
23:12 < demian> anyways whoever is able to custmize vimrc by itself, i always use my same config.. i think rock doesnt have to use a specific vimrc.. but if you want to do it is ok
23:13 < th> tcr: by "providing it" i mean it comes from rock and not from vim
23:13 < th> tcr: at the moment rock does not provide any vimrc file
23:13 < tcr> th: how do you mean?
23:13 < Mike1> th so you agree with me on adding a vimrc.foo file ?
23:13 < th> tcr: it just activates the vimrc_example.vim
23:13 < tcr> th: what is that file?
23:13 < th> Mike1: ack. you could just copy vimrc_example.vim to vimrc-featured
23:14 < th> tcr: example file from vim
23:14 < tcr> th: and what's wrong with it?
23:14 < demian> a vimrc with more options and mny comments will do easier the work for a user to customize it
23:14 < tcr> ack
23:14 < Mike1> th: ok 2 files? vimrc-featured and vimrc-non-featured?
23:14 < tcr> huh?!!?!
23:15 < tcr> just create one file, commented all non vi-like features out and write comments about them
23:15 < tcr> what they will do if they're enabled
23:15 < Mike1> there is only one feature we all agree is a pain ( *~ ) so why not simple creat the vinmrc file without it
23:15 < th> Mike1: i think you should keep the default vimrc untouched
23:16 < Mike1> th ok now you are confusing me
23:16 < Mike1> what do you have in mind?
23:16 < th> Mike1: because i don't think rock should provide/modify vimrc files
23:16 < Mike1> ....
23:16 < demian> for me!, if you want to add a rock specific vimrc, add more comments with other options, dunt modify the default options of the vimrc sources
23:17 < Mike1> demian: more comments??????????
23:17 < tcr> demian: ack
23:17 < th> i don't want a rock-specific vimrc file
23:17 < demian> who will do this ?
23:17 < Mike1> ok so we simple create a vimrc-featured file in the base-config dir for vim
23:18 < Mike1> and if someone feels like changing anything simply go and comment it?
23:18 < th> hmmm
23:18 < tcr> i agree to demian, you should let the vimrc as it is, and add possible tricky features at the bottom (but *commented out*) of the file, and comment what they'll do
23:18 < th> no one understands me :-/
23:18 < Mike1> th make your slef clearer then
23:19 < demian> yes, that's what i think could be right, dunt touch default vimrc options, but add commented rock specific options to it
23:19 * Mike1 wonders what does Goddes Mathilda think about it
23:19 < tcr> th: just for clarification, how is it at the moment?
23:19 < Mike1> <demian> who will do this ?
23:19 < Mike1> ?
23:19 < tcr> uh, sorry i have to reconnect
23:19 < tcr> will continue debating in some minutes, brb
23:19 < demian> forget it, im in other important things now :)
23:20 < th> tcr:
23:20 < th> ok
23:20 < th> waiting
23:20 < tcr> better, thx
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23:20 < Mike1> demian: ?
23:21 < th> huebi: if you would not copy these example files to vimrc. would we have a vimrc at all?
23:31 < Mike1> th no we wouldnt have vimrc
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23:32 < Mike1> re tcr
23:33 < th> Mike1: ahh
23:33 < demian> other thing.. da you know why cliff said me that the No Such file .. prob i had was caused by ld-linux and libc ?
23:33 < tcr> re
23:33 < demian> i think this doesnt make sense
23:33 < th> Mike1: i thought this cp was overwriting a default one
23:33 < Mike1> th nope we need it
23:34 < th> so i vote for copying vimrc_example.vim to $root/usr/share/vim/vimrc-example
23:35 < demian> just i case that ld-linux or libc functions for those specific packages are missing or have probs, but for other packages this is not a prob, but, if you are linkng statically, all the things are checked >!, so i think libc and ld-linux are not a prob!
23:35 < demian> why cliff said this ?
23:35 < tcr> th: continue
23:36 < th> tcr: i did
23:36 < th> 23:34:44 < th> so i vote for copying vimrc_example.vim to $root/usr/share/vim/vimrc-example
23:36 < th> instead of copying it to $root/usr/share/vim/vimrc
23:36 < tcr> how is it done currently?
23:36 < th> # The advanced features of vim are enabled now by copying 2 files.
23:36 < th> cp -v $root/usr/share/vim/vim61/vimrc_example.vim $root/usr/share/vim/vimrc
23:36 < th> cp -v $root/usr/share/vim/vim61/gvimrc_example.vim $root/usr/share/vim/gvimrc
23:36 < tcr> i mean the content of vimrc
23:36 < tcr> vimrc_example.vim
23:37 < th> tcr: tons of features
23:38 < tcr> so it isn't the one deliviered with the vim sources?
23:40 < th> well yes it is
23:40 < th> it's delivered as an example vimrc
23:41 < tcr> i have to take look myself ... but not today -- sorry
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