--- Log opened Fri Oct 04 00:00:30 2002
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00:47 < Mike1> bye all
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00:56 * barthel is away: I'm busy or sleep or whatever ;)
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00:57 < owl> re
00:57 < capchaos> hi owl
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00:58 < _NULL> hi capchaos
00:58 < bathel_> immer noch nicht im bett ?
00:59 < _NULL> bathel_: nope. no time
00:59 < capchaos> _NULL: what are you working on?
00:59 < bathel_> ;)
01:00 < bathel_> <- sleep, dream... bye folkz
01:00 < capchaos> nite bathel_
01:00 < _NULL> capchaos: right now i'm trying to complete the installation of postfix... and if my network wouldn't have had a crash, then i might would have been able to do this... *arghl*
01:00 < _NULL> bye bathel_
01:03 < capchaos> _NULL: why not use sendmail=?
01:04 < _NULL> capchaos: me was told that postfix is more fast and featured than sendmail
01:05 < capchaos> _NULL: you're installing it on rocklinux, right? ;)
01:05 < _NULL> yeah. afaik yes. (it's not my system i'm installing it...)
01:06 < capchaos> you don't know the system you're installing it, huh?
01:06 < _NULL> ;) yes...
01:06 < capchaos> heh
01:06 < _NULL> ;)
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01:51 < _NULL> gn8. cu
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02:14 < capchaos> re Ge0rG
02:14 < Ge0rG> re
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08:03 < huebi> moin
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08:12 < term_emu> morning
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08:39 < d3mian> hi
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09:44 * barthel is back (gone 08:48:18)
09:44 < barthel> moin moin
10:06 < barthel> anybody awake ?
10:07 < d3mian> .
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11:25 < rxr> hi Freak
11:26 * -> esden awake ... but afk ... /me needs his fixed line back >_<
11:26 < esden> cu all 
11:27 < d3mian> hi esden, Freak , zer0_o^ , rxr
11:41 < Freak> lalala
11:41 < Freak> hi guys
11:41 < barthel> <- lunch ;)
11:41 * barthel is away: I'm busy or sleep or whatever ;)
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13:10 < th> hmmm can't find ucspi-tcp man pages... web has thousands of man2html pages of tcpserver(1) but i can't find the manpage
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13:20 < tsa> moin.
13:26 < barthel> moin;)
13:27 < tsa> hi barthel
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13:45 < tsa> hi [anders]_
13:56 < barthel> hi [anders]_ ;)
13:56 < barthel> build finished ;)))))))))))
14:05 < tsa> hehe
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14:13 < [anders]> narf!
14:13 < tsa> hehe
14:13 < tsa> re [anders]
14:13 < [anders]> moin tsa.. :)
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14:15 < [anders]> re
14:15 < tsa> ;)
14:15 < barthel> re ;)
14:16 < [anders]> barthel: good stuff.. you already cut a CD and are installing with it? :)
14:17 < barthel> no... i'm only build packages...
14:17 < barthel> it was a test... now i do it again and build a ISO...
14:18 < barthel> 1 week ago i start with playing rock... ;)
14:18 < [anders]> barthel: ok.. I'm going to be hacking on evolution this weekend I think, apart from saturday when I am driving to and from the Midlands. Only 275km each way or so..
14:18 < barthel> now i've the first build... a long time...
14:19 < barthel> ;)
14:20 < [anders]> heh.. I remember when I built ROCK 1.4.0.. That was my last build for a loooong time.. About a year and a half or something like that...
14:20 < barthel> how i update my running system with my building packages now ?
14:21 < barthel> without destroying my config's...
14:22 < [anders]> that I do not know..
14:23 < [anders]> As always, make a backup first.. :)
14:23 < barthel> hhhmmm...
14:23 < barthel> esden, huebi, others ?
14:25 < esden> re 
14:26 < barthel> how i update my running system with my building packages now ?
14:26 < barthel> without destroying my config's...
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14:30 < esden> ok .. gqview patch sent to cliff ... so gqview is back under rock linux packages ;-)
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14:31 < esden> barthel: in 1.5 or 1.7 ?
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14:32 < esden> argh
14:33 < snyke> MAN DOWN
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14:33 < snyke> :)
14:33 < barthel> 1.5.19
14:33 < esden> we have to change irc network
14:33 < esden> >_<
14:33 < esden> that really sux here ...
14:33 < barthel> esden: 1.5.19
14:33 < esden> barthel: pkg-update ?
14:34 < esden> it is not touching anything in /etc
14:34 < esden> so your configs should remain untouched
14:34 < barthel> ah ok... but pkg-update tar-file [tar-file...]
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14:37 < esden> yes ... you have to use tar files .. 
14:37 < esden> argh !!!!!
14:38 < esden> I will explode ... if it continues ... 
14:38 < esden> -lilo(lilo@lilo.staff.freenode)- [Global Notice] Hi all.  We're going to rehub a main rotation server.  Please
14:38 < esden>           bear with us.
14:38 < esden> bla bla bla
14:38 < esden> on and on and on ...
14:38 < esden> all the time ...
14:38 < esden> grrr
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14:39 < esden> re guys
14:39 < barthel> suckz !
14:39 < esden> we really should seriously think about changing the irc network
14:39 < esden> or use our own irc server ...
14:40 < esden> then I know that when there are errors ... who I should hit/kick
14:40 < esden> lilo is too far away ;-)
14:42 < esden> updating from sources ... is also possible some way .. but I really can not say how ... when I update I backup the configs myself .. remove the packet with pkg-remove ... and then I make ./scripts/Build-Pkg
14:42 < esden> that is the way I do it here on my laptop ...
14:42 < esden> but how it is with a server I really can not say ... I still use debian on my server because I had no opportunity to change it till now ...
14:43 < barthel> i've install rock from iso-image and now i would like fock-gnome2... there a lot of packages :/
14:43 < barthel> ;)
14:43 < barthel> i use it on my workstation... i understand you ;)
14:44 < esden> in 1.7 there is ./scripts/Update-System ... and I heard that it works pretty well ... but I really do not know how it works with a 1.5 system
14:44 < barthel> i need a apt-get dist-update for rock...
14:44 < esden> barthel: ./scripts/Update-System is something like this ... but avalable in 1.7 and not 1.5
14:45 < esden> you can dig in it ... to see how and how good it works
14:45 < esden> I have not tested it yet
14:45 * barthel missing a packagemanagement ;/
14:45 < barthel> ;)
14:45 < barthel> ok... i build an iso and then checkout 1.7...
14:45 < esden> as I said ... these features will be avalable in 1.7 ...
14:46 < esden> kk
14:46 < barthel> thx
14:46 < esden> denada ;-)
14:47 < esden> ok ... I am off again
14:47 < barthel> how the roadmap of 1.7 ?
14:48 < esden> hmm ... the first usable alpha versian of it ... should be there in december on 19C3
14:49 < barthel> and beta and stable ?
14:49 < esden> but if you are hard and brave enough ... you can install it already now ... some people have done it ... I run a 1.5 1.7 hybrid system on my laptop
14:49 < barthel> ;)
14:49 < esden> barthel: that is unpredictable ... when it is ready ... I would say
14:49 < barthel> ;) ok... ;)
14:50 < esden> barthel: co 1.7 and take a look in it ... then you can say if it is already something for you ... ;-)
14:51 < barthel> yep...
14:51 < esden> and do not hesitate to ask questions here an channel ... and/or on the mailinglist ... 
14:52 < esden> but prior to thins try to read the documentation .. and source ... ;-)
14:53 < esden> cu all
14:57 < barthel> cu
15:02 < barthel> [anders]: is the cvs down ?
15:04 < [anders]> barthel: no, it should be available now..
15:05 < barthel> [anders]: i run cvs up only in galeon-dir... but nothing comming...
15:05 < barthel> [anders]: timeout error
15:06 < [anders]> barthel, that is because it is in a branch.. and it will not build either..
15:06 < [anders]> and also, someone is downloading an ISO, so the link gets a bit slow then..
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15:08 < barthel> [anders]: which branch i've to checkout to build galeon ?
15:08 < rolla> re all
15:08 < barthel_> re rolla ;)
15:10 < barthel> [anders]: i drilled the tiger ;)
15:10 < barthel> s/[anders]/rolla/g
15:12 < [anders]> barthel: I posted instructions to the mailinglist last night about it.. :)
15:13 < barthel> [anders]: i thought it was for evolution... ok i read it carrfully again ;)
15:16 < rolla> yeah I saw that anders is your machine up again ?
15:16 < [anders]> uhm.. my bad, I misread galeon as evolution.. tired today..
15:16 < [anders]> rolla: yeah, since 12:44 BST..
15:17 < rolla> cool
15:17 < [anders]> galeon should be in the main tree..
15:17 < barthel_> cool ;)
15:17 < [anders]> someone is pulling an ISO from it at the moment though, so the latency is horrendous..
15:18 < rolla> yeah I know that fun
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15:21 < Mike1> h
15:21 < Mike1> i
15:21 < [anders]> moin Mike1
15:21 < Mike1> god morgon [anders] :)
15:21 < barthel> h
15:21 < barthel> i
15:21 < [anders]> <- lagging badly..
15:21 < barthel> M
15:21 < barthel> i
15:21 < barthel> k
15:21 < barthel> e
15:21 < barthel> 1
15:21 < barthel> ;)
15:21 < Mike1> :)
15:22 < rolla> Mike
15:22 < Mike1> hi rolla
15:23 * Mike1 is fscking falling asleep !!
15:26 < barthel_> <- reboot new rock-gnome2...
15:26 < rolla> sweet
15:26 * barthel_ pray to MATHILDA and hope
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15:26 < martin_> hi al
15:26 < Mike1> hehehe
15:26 < martin_> hi all, hi rxr
15:26 < Mike1> hi martin_
15:26 < martin_> hi Mike1
15:29 * Mike1 wonders why barthel is taking so long to come back
15:30 < barthel> fschk... / not clean unmounted ;/
15:30 * Mike1 guesses he didnt compile his kernel and doesnt have support for his lan :)
15:30 < Mike1> ah :)
15:30 * barthel setup ext3
15:32 < Mike1> ok guys i must get off irc for 1/2 a bit see you later
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15:33 < blindcoder> hi all
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15:44 < barthel> [anders]: how do i start gnome2 ? :/
15:44 < rolla> ;)
15:54 < tsa> barthel: /path/to/gnome-session ;)
15:55 < barthel> yea.. gnome-session --version 1.4.1 ...
15:55 < barthel> i've gnome2 not really installed... i think ;(
15:58 < tsa> wrong gnome-session, it seems.
15:58 < tsa>  /opt/gnome2/bin/gnome-session ?
15:58 < barthel> no file or directory...
15:59 < tsa> hm..where did you install your gnome2 stuff, then?
16:00 < barthel> i build it and run pkg-install *
16:01 < tsa> on rock 1.5?
16:01 < tsa> or 1.7?
16:01 < barthel> 1.5
16:01 < tsa> uhm.
16:01 < tsa> you should ask mike1 then, he should know.
16:01 < barthel> yep ;)
16:02 < tsa> i'm not too much involved with 1.5 nowadays..
16:02 < tsa> spending too much time with 1.7 ;)
16:06 < barthel> tsa: it's possible to port the 'packagemanagement' to 1.5 ? do you know about that ?
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16:07 < Mike1> re
16:08 < barthel> tsa: it's possible to port the 'packagemanagement' to 1.5 ? do you know about that ?
16:09 < [anders]> barthel: uhm.. /usr/bin/gnome-session should be for gnome2
16:10 < barthel> i'm really stupid ! i've pfg-instal _._ * the root-dir is NOT . :/
16:10 < barthel> s/pfg-/pkg/g
16:13 < rolla> how is rock for ultra sparc ?
16:13 < barthel> rolla: cool ? ;)
16:15 < Mike1> rolla rock is running under Ultra Sparc
16:15 < Mike1> but it has been tested to run only base without opt and ext
16:15 < Mike1> sparc32 port is currently under development
16:16 < rolla> okay
16:16 < rolla> I want a iso for ultrasparc
16:16 < rolla> I have a sun blade 1000 here that needs rock ;)
16:16 < Mike1> i have a couple of 1.5.12 isos which i made when i had an Ultra 5
16:16 < Mike1> Sun Blade 1000 ?? OMG
16:16 < Mike1> you got one of those
16:17 < esden> re hi
16:17 < Mike1> rolla perhaps send an email to armijn he does have the latest isos for sparc64
16:17 < rolla> yeah under my desk at work
16:17 < Mike1> hi esden
16:17 < esden> argh ... cvs is sooo slooow .. >_<
16:18 < esden> hi Mike1 
16:18 < Mike1> esden actually the cvs is ok but ur conection sucks :P
16:18 < rxr> re
16:18 < Mike1> you have to get back to DE soon
16:18 < esden> that too ... but it is not really faster when I am on a faster connection ...
16:18 < Mike1> hi rxr
16:18 < Mike1> mmm i see
16:18 < esden> hmm ... let me see if my box at home is online ;-)
16:19 < Mike1> :)
16:19 < esden> Welcome to OpenBSD:
16:19 < esden> cool my router is online !
16:19 < esden> that is good ;-)
16:20 < rxr> esden: your router is not running ROCK ?
16:20 < Mike1>  i thought it was netBSD
16:21 < blindcoder> hi esden
16:21 < esden> rxr: nope ... cuz I wanted to test openbsd ... and that was a good oportunity ... and I still wait that someone cleans the router target up
16:21 < esden> hi blindcoder 
16:21 < rxr> ah ...
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16:22 < _NULL> hi
16:22 < esden> ok ... the update is finished ... 
16:22 < esden> hi null
16:22 < rxr> my router is dRock-1.4.0-dev + security updates ...
16:22 < blindcoder> hi owly!
16:22 < _NULL> hi esden, blindcoder
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16:22 < armijn> re
16:23 < armijn> hi rolla
16:23 < Mike1> re?
16:23 < _NULL> hi armijn
16:23 < rolla> ja
16:23 < armijn> rolla: first you will have to install a Linux distribution on your blade
16:23 < rolla> okay other than debian what is the best ?
16:24 < armijn> I installed aurora on my sparcstation 20 this week
16:24 < armijn> it's red hat based
16:24 < Mike1> hi armijn
16:24 < armijn> gentoo might also be a good choice
16:24 < armijn> hi mike1
16:24 < armijn> hi _NULL
16:24 < rolla> okay
16:24 < rolla> where might i find aurora ?
16:24 < Mike1> rolla: gentoo is evil got for splack
16:24 < armijn> http://auroralinux.org/
16:25 < armijn> splack is also an option
16:25 < rxr> armijn: aurora linux crashed on my U5 during the installation
16:25 < rolla> I will try this aurora
16:25 < rxr> with version 0.3.0 and 0.3.x ...
16:25 < Mike1> rxr: what distro are you running currently?
16:25 < Mike1> on ur Ultra 5 i mean
16:25 < armijn> rxr: so I installed 0.4 ;-)
16:26 < rolla> 5 disks wow
16:26 < armijn> rolla: you'll need the first 2
16:26 < rolla> good
16:27 < rxr> Mike1: rock 1.5.x of Jan ...
16:27 < rxr> + xfree hacks ...
16:27 < rolla> this should be cool :)
16:27 < rxr> and I'll rebuild using the ROCK 1.7 scripts in the next days ...
16:27 < armijn> rolla: 1.5.19 needs a few tweaks, otherwise it won't build correctly...
16:28 < rolla> okay
16:28 < armijn> still need to send in some patches
16:28 < rolla> once I get it download and installed I shall talk to you about best rock for the box
16:28 < armijn> well, to be honest, I never tried 1.7
16:28 < armijn> so I am totally biased...
16:29 < rxr> armijn: I'm currently fixing our Build-CrossCC for the gcc-3.2 ...
16:29 < armijn> rxr: also as the kernel compiler?
16:29 < armijn> good luck.
16:29 < rolla> fine by me
16:29 < rxr> armijn: we already discussed this very often ... - Yes. The gcc-3.2 works fine - especially as kernel compiler.
16:30 < armijn> haha..
16:30 * armijn quotes an e-mail from David Miller (sparc64 maintainer) from october 2
16:31 < armijn> "Don't use gcc-3.2 to build the kernel. It has known problems"
16:32 < armijn> now...whom should I believe? The kernel maintainer? Or rxr?
16:32 < rxr> armijn: I already posted some months ago - that D.S.M. said it should work - but he would prefer bug reports with the old one ...
16:32 < esden> armijn: the maintainer ... you also should not compile c++ programs with it ... I had a really "good" experiance with it ...
16:33 < armijn> esden: exactly
16:33 < rxr> esden: C++? With the gcc-3.2 ?
16:33 < esden> 3.2 is buggy like hell ... and that are really very obvious bugs ...
16:33 < armijn> what you guys do with 1.7 is your choice, but 1.5 will use egcs64
16:33 < esden> rxr: yes C++
16:33 < armijn> otherwise, I'm out :)
16:33 < _NULL> aszlig: are you here?
16:33 < rxr> esden: No! It is the best compilier for C++ I know of ...
16:34 < rxr> maybe your source was not C++ ...
16:34 < armijn> hmm...the intel C++ compiler for linux performs better
16:34 < esden> rxr: believe what you want to believe .. but try to compile the newest wvstreams (out of wvdial) and you will see the bugs
16:35 < esden> I know what I say ... /me not stupid
16:35 < rxr> esden: this is not a believe. I do much C++ and GCC 3.2 is magnitues more advanced ...
16:35 < rxr> that wvdial is not C++ might be another issue ...
16:36 < esden> wvdial is C++ my friend ... go inform you and we can talk then ...
16:36 < armijn> but still, the egcs64 vs. gcc 3-2 is a non-issue for me...
16:36 < rxr> esden: I know that it is buggy C++ ...
16:36 < rxr> the source is defect.
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16:37 < esden> nope ... it is a gcc problem ... If you can tell me how to fix the bug in wvstreams not fixing gcc then tell me you will get a symbolic price of 3.75 eur
16:38 < rxr> esden: ok. I just powered on my gcc32 laptop ...
16:38 < esden> good 
16:38 * Mike1 away
16:38 < esden> you can email me
16:38 < esden> modem is expensive
16:38 < esden> cu guys 
16:39 < _NULL> by esden
16:42 < armijn> ok, am off
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16:52 < Mike1> re
16:57 * barthel crashed... power down... libc6 damaged :( no journ. fs... return to start :( 
16:58 < rxr> qhm
16:58 < _NULL> hi barthel. still compiling? 10 beeps?
16:58 < rxr> wvdial compiles with a 4 and 1/2 line patch just created by me ...
16:59 < barthel> _NULL: no :( rebuild me mashine... libc6 and other are damaged by powerlost
16:59 < Mike1> _NULL: sure he even made a fix now in stead if 10 beep it does...
16:59 < Mike1> while [ 1 = 1 ] ; do
16:59 < Mike1> echo -en \\007 ; sleep 1 ; echo -en \\007 ; sleep 1
16:59 < Mike1> done
17:00 < _NULL> barthel: uh. dammit. that suckz
17:00 < barthel> yep :,(
17:00 < _NULL> Mike1: *argh*
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17:23 < rolla> http://www.theonion.com/onion3836/riaa_sues_radio_stations.html
17:24 < huebi> <<
17:24 < huebi> re
17:24 < Mike1> hi huebi
17:24 < huebi> hi Mike1
17:25 < _NULL> moin huebi
17:25 < huebi> hi _NULL
17:25 < _NULL> huebi: how are you ?
17:25 < barthel> hi huebi
17:26 < huebi> _NULL: fine. Just tested our new car ;-)))
17:26 < Mike1> huebi: i am going to modify vim.conf now
17:26 < huebi> Mike1: yes, do i. ;-)
17:26 < huebi> +t
17:26 < huebi> hi barthel
17:28 < _NULL> huebi: *g* what car?
17:28 < huebi> '98 BMW 325tds touring
17:29 < Mike1> huebi: nice!
17:30 < huebi> Mike1: Yes it is. I have big fun with it.
17:30 < Mike1> i am definitly sure you do :)
17:30 < blindcoder> rolla: sw33t... the problem is that I think RIAA is really actually up to something like that :)
17:30 < rolla> :)
17:30 < rolla> huebi sweet car
17:31 < Mike1> Checking in base-config/vim/vim.conf;
17:31 < Mike1> /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/base-config/vim/vim.conf,v  <--  vim.conf
17:31 < Mike1> new revision: 1.7; previous revision: 1.6
17:31 < Mike1> done
17:31 < Mike1> ok guys we now use vim defaults cp lines have been removed
17:32 < rolla> huebi: you like bmw's ?
17:32 < blindcoder> good thing :)
17:32 < huebi> rolla: Yes. and really fast. here on the "Autobahn" I got it to over 200km/h (130mph)
17:32 < rolla> you suck
17:32 < rolla> I have 2001 325ci
17:32 < rolla> my wife has 2002 325i
17:32 < rolla> very good cars
17:32 < huebi> rolla: Yes, I do.
17:32 * blindcoder has a nice Seat Ibiza and is happy with it :)
17:32 < rolla> but you get to buy nice desil
17:33 * [anders] is getting a '96 VW Golf VR6 in about three weeks...
17:33 < rolla> you people in europe get to buy all the nice cars :(
17:33 < huebi> rolla: Yes, they are. Much better than Mercedes
17:33 < rolla> ja and cost less
17:33 < rolla> I want a 330d
17:33 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off for the rest of the day.
17:33 < blindcoder> bye
17:33 * Mike1 got mountain bike :)
17:34 < [anders]> A 330d would be really nice, they are a tad expensive here in UK though..
17:34 < rolla> in UK everything is expensive
17:34 < huebi> In about 4 months I'm going to bye a 740iLA. The long version. It will cost about 13000 EUR.
17:34 < [anders]> but best of all would be a M3.. I can not afford the insurance however..
17:34 < rolla> you guys pay 30% over what the rest of the world pays
17:35 < rolla> what year ?
17:35 < [anders]> rolla: tell me about it..
17:35 < huebi> 1996- 1998
17:35 < rolla> yes a M3 would be nice but I don't have the 52K (US) to buy it
17:35 < rolla> sweet
17:35 < rolla> if I went to canada it would cost 40k (US)
17:36 < rolla> BMW NA sucks the big one for pricing :(
17:36 < huebi> rolla: Bye a used one even from Europe. These Sportscars loose 30% in the first year.
17:38 < rolla> yeah but the shipping would be hell
17:38 < rolla> plus getting is federalized would kill it
17:41 < huebi> sometimes there are also use BMWs avaliable with US specs here in germany
17:41 < rolla> yeah but still shipping hurts :(
17:41 < rolla> oh well enjoy your nice car
17:42 < Mike1> eupean bmw's kick ass
17:42 < Mike1> european even
17:44 * [anders] has a friend who is thinking about putting NOS in his old M3. (from the 80's sometime.)
17:44 < Mike1> COOL
17:45 < rolla> NOS kills cars
17:46 * rolla has to call england
17:47 < huebi> [anders]: I've broken about 6 engines with NOS. If he has much money he can do that but it's something only for dragsters.
17:47 < rolla> yes
17:48 < huebi> I got about 5 times the power out of the engine after I broke the 5th one *g*
17:49 < huebi> The compression rate had to go down to 1:6 to 1:7 instead of 1:10 to 1:12
17:49 < rolla> grin
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18:05 < rolla> qt takes forever to build
18:05 < barthel_> re
18:07 < Mike1> rolla ack
18:08 < Mike1> rolla qt stage 5?
18:09 < [anders]> qt takes about 45 minutes for me on a XP1900+ with 512MB RAM
18:10 < Mike1> arrgg
18:18 < rolla> yeah
18:21 < [anders]> hometime.. will work on Evolution this weekend.. Sunday probably..
18:22 < Mike1> [anders]: btw i am consuming a little of ur bandwidth
18:22 < Mike1> getting ur latest iso
18:22 < Mike1> i am moving more extensions to base today
18:22 * [anders] noticed.. latency is baaaaaad.. 
18:22 < Mike1> and including gnome2 extension to rock-.1.5.19
18:23 < Mike1> sorry but i will finish fast
18:23 * [anders] adding QoS and traffic shaping to ToDo list..
18:23 < Mike1> :)
18:23 < Mike1> hehe
18:23 < Mike1> mmm 11k
18:24 < Mike1> it will take me all day
18:24 < Mike1> ah well
18:24 < Mike1> :P
18:48 < huebi> 18:23  * [anders] adding QoS and traffic shaping to ToDo list.. <- Noew in the new default kernel configuration.
18:51 < Mike1> huebi: cool
18:51 < Mike1> huebi: have you commit the new kernel stuff?
18:56 < rolla> qt still sucks
18:56 < Mike1> hehe
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19:16 < rolla> bye Null
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19:19 < _NULL> re
19:20 * barthel_ <- come back in 3h
19:21 * barthel_ is away: I'm busy or sleep or whatever ;)
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19:23 < Mike1> hi Stephen
19:24 < litost> hey Miguel, how are you?
19:24 < Mike1> i am great thanks ! :)
19:24 < Mike1> and you?
19:24 < litost> awesome!...can't wait to leave work :)
19:24 < Mike1> hehe
19:25 < Mike1> partying tonight?
19:25 < litost> nah, probably not.  i'm a little low on cash
19:25 < litost> so i think i'm gonna stay home and try to spend some time learning opengl :)
19:25 < Mike1> ah well you stay on and study about sparc v9 :)
19:26 < litost> that too!
19:27 < litost> i have this idea of creating some insanely threaded opengl app to benchmark the new nptl
19:28 < Mike1> 0_o
19:48 < esden> hi all
19:49 < _NULL> rehi esden
19:49 < rxr> hi esden
19:49 < rxr> you read the mail ? ;-)
19:49 < Mike1> re esden
19:49 < esden> not yet
19:49 < esden> moment
19:50 < esden> ok ... that is what I meant ... the const value
19:50 < esden> ok ... I recognized that too ... but it looks more like gcc is ignoring the const value ... otherwise it would bring an error
19:51 < esden> or am I wrong ?
19:51 < rxr> esden: this is only the second "big" C++ bug in gcc-3.2 ...  - and it suports many many many more ANSI C++ features ...
19:52 < rxr> esden: the g++ seems to be unable to sort the signature into the right place in the namespace ...
19:52 < esden> hehe ... I have not said that gcc-3.2 is bad ... i said that it is buggy ... otherwise such big bugs would not appear
19:52 < esden> ;-)
19:52 < rxr> it is not a BIG bug ...
19:52 < esden> yes that is what I thought too
19:52 < esden> ok .. ok
19:53 < esden> not a big bug ... a bug ;-)
19:53 < rxr> ack
19:53 < esden> I am not really familiar with the gcc code ... and I had no time to review this
19:53 < esden> otherwise I would fix it
19:53 < Mike1> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/04/virus.bugbear/index.html
19:54 < rxr> currently the GCC people rewrite the whole C++ parser because they concluded that with the current one they will never be able to fix all of such little subtele bugs ..
19:54 < esden> I have also downloaded the cvs version of 3.2 
19:54 < esden> there is no fix
19:54 < esden> and in the bugtracker there is no mention abouth this
19:54 < esden> aha ... I did not know that ...
19:55 < esden> so let them rewrite it ... and when they are ready we can use it in productive use
19:55 < esden> namely 1.5 1.6 
19:55 < rxr> it is not yet in the official bruch ...
19:55 < esden> in 1.7 it is other thing ... 1.7 is devel ... so we also can use unstable tools
19:56 < rxr> the rewrite will be merged in a future version
19:56 < esden> yes .. so as you said ... they can not fix all bugs till they rewrote the parser
19:56 < rxr> the gcc-3.2 is stable (with the usual tiny bugs ... - but much more stable then 2.95.3 ...)
19:56 < esden> hmm ... I never had such problems with 2.95.3 ... sorry ...
19:56 < rxr> but remeber that gcc-2.95.3 has many more bugs and tons of missing features ...
19:57 < esden> hmm ... ok ...
19:57 < rxr> esden: let me guess - you never used C++ seriously ?
19:57 < rxr> when Valentin and I developed the basics of GSMP - we had ro work around a bug after another ...
19:57 < esden> nope ... I did not have to ... but all programs that use C++ are currently running without problems with 1.95.3
19:58 < esden> i mean 2.95.3
19:58 < esden> but they break with 3.2
19:58 < rxr> wow - they are developed with 2.95.3. But when you compile the programs with 3.x or an commercial compiler you have to fix much , because gcc-2.95.3 is not ANSI C++
19:58 < esden> that is prooven ... in the example I showed you ...
19:59 * barthel_ is back (gone 00:38:39)
19:59 < esden> and the fix you are bringing me ... is a plug the whole fix ... not make the whole dissapear
19:59 < rxr> it simply does not use the correct syntax - that is why you have (e.g.) modify all the friend and template definitions ...
20:00 < rxr> esden: sure it is a work-around. But all the existing programs already have many of such things to make the code work with 2.95.3 ...
20:01 < esden> hmm ... ok ...
20:01 < rxr> in GSMP we even had many GCC_SUCKS_XYZ classes which worked around bugs ..,.
20:01 < esden> I will use this workaround ... for now ... and try to see if I find the right place in gcc3 to fix it ...
20:02 < esden> if you could me help with this I would really appreciate ... I do not want to discuss something that does not need a discussion
20:02 < esden> what we have to do ... is to fix the problem the one way or another ...
20:02 < rxr> esden: we both might not know enought of gcc internals.
20:02 < esden> yes ... 
20:03 < esden> so perhups ask the gcc developers ?
20:03 < esden> what do you think ?
20:03 < rxr> the best would be to write a simple code fragment which can reproduce this and put it into the bug-tracking system of GCC ...
20:03 < fake> hi
20:03 < esden> i started with this ... but I am not finished yet ... had another things to do
20:04 < esden> hi fake 
20:04 < _NULL> moin fake
20:04 < barthel_> hi fake
20:04 < rxr> esden: i can do this
20:04 < Mike1> 0_o fake
20:04 < Mike1> hi fake :)
20:05 < esden> cool ...
20:05 < esden> then I really owe you the 3.75 eur ;-)
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20:05 < esden> you will get them when we see eachother on 19C3
20:05 < rxr> ;-)
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20:06 < rxr> I'll try to write such a sample after the tagesschau ...
20:06 < barthel> re :/ no my day ;/
20:06 < esden> kk ;-)
20:06 < esden> please send it to me too
20:06 < rxr> sure
20:06 < esden> only for my archives ;-)
20:06 < esden> or better ... _protocol_ ;-0
20:07 < rxr> in the GNATs og gcc you still find a unfixed bug from valentin and me from one or two years ago ;-)
20:08 < esden> urgh ...
20:08 < esden> these guys ... do not fix everithing ... if I see it correctly ;-)
20:09 < rxr> no - the current parser sucks so much that it is ont easyly fixable
20:09 < _NULL> aszlig: fertig mit kopieren und server online?
20:09 < rxr> we already got 2 or 3 mails like: "Tested ... Still present in current CVS HEAD ..." ...
20:09 < esden> hmm ... I hope the new one will be better ...
20:09 < _NULL> aaeh. sorry. wrong window...
20:10 < aszlig> _NULL: not yet
20:10 < rxr> esden: the current is bison - the new one will be self-written C ...
20:10 < _NULL> aszlig: when do you think that it will be finished?
20:10 < esden> aha ... so bison sux ... am I right ?
20:11 < rxr> hm - it is old and could be better. It sucks not completely. But for big/complex parsers it sucks. Yes. ;-)
20:11 < aszlig> _NULL: it is already booting ;)
20:11 < Mike1> _NULL: when will the coffee be ready?
20:12 < _NULL> Mike1: never.
20:12 < _NULL> aszlig: ok ;) do you know if the disconnect this night was caused by the problem you had with the server or was it caused by too much load of my ssh-connection?
20:12 < esden> no esden ... no ... you will not start a flamewar ... >_< (talking about the vi/vim thread)
20:16 < aszlig> _NULL: too heavy load ;)
20:16 < _NULL> aszlig: uah. i just did "make install"... but how can i install postfix if i can't execute this command, please?
20:17 < esden> lool ... 
20:17 < esden> aszlig: have you overclocked the machine ... ??? 
20:18 < _NULL> esden: why overclocked? ;)
20:18 < aszlig> esden: *lol* how do i overclock an uml?
20:19 < esden> lool ... 
20:19 < esden> an overclocked uml ... otherwise ... it is inpossible that you bring a box down because of heavy load ...
20:19 < esden> or something is really wrong
20:19 < esden> bug in uml ?
20:19 < aszlig> esden: it is possible
20:20 < esden> is it so unstable ?
20:20 < aszlig> esden: nope
20:20 < esden> but not with a make install ... sorry
20:20 < aszlig> esden: i activated selinux in the host-sys
20:20 < esden> ahh ...
20:21 < aszlig> and uml runs as unprivileged user
20:21 < esden> hmm ... I think that it is stupid to send a patch for two typos ... :-/
20:22 < esden> aszlig: yes I know what uml is ;-)
20:22 < esden> you would be pretty stupid to run it as root ;-)
20:23 < aszlig> *fuck*
20:24 < aszlig> something is wrong with the tuntap-device
20:24 < aszlig> s
20:24 < esden> ?
20:24 < esden> humm humm ...
20:24 < esden> ahh ... coooooool .... I have a solution for snyke !!!!
20:24 < aszlig> _NULL: sorry, i'll fix it when i'll bbl
20:25 < esden> *jumparound*
20:25 < aszlig> esden: ?
20:25 < esden> and for bchat """"
20:25 < esden> !!!!
20:25 < aszlig> esden: ah ;)
20:25 < _NULL> aszlig: oki. thx.
20:25 < esden> hehe ... aszlig ... you are my god ;-)
20:25 < esden> why did I not think about it before ???
20:25 < _NULL> esden: *lol*
20:25 < aszlig> esden: why didn't you ask me before?
20:26 < esden> hmm ... sorry aszlig ... will do next time
20:26 < aszlig> esden: thx ;)
20:26 < esden> hihi ... I have a use for uml *jumparound*
20:26 < aszlig> esden: great ;)
20:26 < esden> so I have something geeky to play around with !!!
20:26 < esden> hehe ;-)
20:27 < fake> esden: don't geek around on a production systewm
20:27 < fake> -w
20:27 < aszlig> esden: do you want a 1gb image af uml-rock?
20:27 < aszlig> fake: ey! thats uml!
20:27 < fake> is it up and running fast enough so nobody notices it?
20:28 < fake> think reboot.
20:28 < esden> fake: *GGG* the right one says something like this ;-)
20:28 < aszlig> k, have to go...
20:28 < aszlig> c'ya later ;)
20:28 < fake> well, yes. bye.
20:28 < esden> aszlig: how fast is uml ?
20:28 < esden> ok ... bye ... aszlig 
20:29 < aszlig> esden: it runs quite well on my p100 router with 32 meg ram ;)
20:29 < esden> fake: we will se when it is running on apollo ... ;-)
20:29 < aszlig> hehe :>
20:29 < fake> "quite well" sounds intersting
20:29 < aszlig> ;)
20:29 < aszlig> k, c'ya
20:29 < fake> esden: what would it be good for?
20:30 < esden> fake: snyke ... and others that want to hook up on apollo
20:30 < esden> I prefere that they work on their "own" machine ;-)
20:31 < esden> I am really interested how stable it is ... that could be a problem ...
20:31 < esden> I have enough time to think about it ... till I am back in germany
20:31 < fake> esden: fine, but do we NEED it, or do we WANT it?
20:31 < esden> we need it ... fake
20:32 < esden> and we want it ...
20:32 < esden> because so we can gain more security ... hopefully more securiti... if it prooves itself
20:32 < huebi> tach esden
20:32 < esden> hi huebi 
20:32 < fake> snyke-does-not-need-an-account-on-apollo-for-any-noticeable-reason!
20:32 < fake> hi huebi !
20:33 * -> esden rewinds his thinking casette ... and plays once more ...
20:33 < esden> yes you are right fake
20:34 < esden> but if he has a reasonable reason ... I have a solution
20:34 < huebi> hi fake
20:34 < rolla> Fake
20:35 < fake> hi rolla!
20:35 < esden> but we have to fix the freaking bug in bchat ... >_<
20:35 < fake> we have to fix that freakin' bchat in that bug... err.. nevermind ;)
20:36 < esden> crash tryed to and faild .. now he is rewriting bccs ... with linked lists ... writing the linked lists code by himself ... 
20:36 < esden> *no-comment*
20:37 < esden> yes freakin' ... thanks
20:37 < fake> :P
20:39 < snyke> what?
20:39 < snyke> i dunno need apollo...
20:39 < snyke> NEVER
20:39 < snyke> ARGH
20:39 < snyke> look at my hostmask :)
20:40 < snyke> I DONT NEED THAT APOLLO
20:40 < huebi> snyke: Do you need zeus?
20:40 * fake needs some aphrodite
20:40 < huebi> hehe
20:41 < snyke> no.
20:41 < barthel> fake: ;)
20:41 < snyke> eros is rul0r
20:41 < esden> he seems to be angry ... :-/
20:42 * snyke is
20:42 < fake> face the facts..
20:43 * snyke will never restart that bchat
20:43 < snyke> should be down for masses of hours
20:43 < snyke> incredible high times
20:43 < snyke> 25hours a day
20:44 < fake> snyke: WHAT - DO - YOU - NEED - IT - FOR ?
20:45 < esden> ok ... I have to go ...
20:45 < esden> cu guys ...
20:45 < barthel> cu esden
20:45 < _NULL> bye esden
20:46 < fake> cu esden
20:52 < fake> snyke: i still have no answer. i count that as zero.
20:56 < th> how to match a line by e.g. grep that contains a word twice?
20:56 < th> something like: "<td><a name="env" href="env">"
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20:57 < th> hey regexp-gurus wake up!
20:57 < fake> <- regexp-lamer
20:57 < fake> sorry.
20:59 < huebi> 'name="env"*href="env"'
20:59 < huebi> oda so...
20:59 < th> huebi: ich will die zeile aber auch, wenn das wort nicht "env" heisst
21:01 < fake> und nicht name= oder href= ?
21:01 < fake> <- suggests human intelligence
21:02 < th> fake: naja, dass die worte href oder name sind koennen wir ausschliessen
21:02 < th> bzw.
21:02 < th> nein
21:02 < th> name und href sind ja nicht in quotes
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21:05 < _NULL> re
21:06 < th> [^"]*"\([^"]*\)"[^"]*"\1"[^"]*$
21:06 < th> !!!
21:07 < th> yeah yeah yeah
21:07 < Mike1> hi th
21:07 < th> hi Mike1
21:07 * Mike1 away having lunch
21:08 < rxr> esden: still here
21:08 < rxr> ?
21:10 * barthel videoconference with a DAU customer :/
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21:23 < th> echo foo | read bar
21:24 < th> that doesn't work
21:24 < th> strange
21:25 * th is confused.
21:26 < rolla> does anyone know how to get rid of an ntfs mbr ?
21:27 < th> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdxy bs=512 count=1
21:28 < huebi> th ack
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21:37 * barthel is away: I'm busy or sleep or whatever ;)
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21:53 < rolla> okay thanks th
22:09 < snyke> re
22:13 < rolla> hey th that didn't work
22:13 < rolla> mount still thinks the partition is ntfs
22:15 * rolla wonders where his bulk magnate is
22:20 < th> hmm
22:20 < th> what command did you enter?
22:21 < rolla> d if=/dev/zero of=/dev/discs/disc0/disc bs=512 count=1
22:21 < rolla> s/d/dd/
22:21 < rolla> then I fdisked it
22:21 < rolla> then mkfs it
22:21 < th> perhaps you should of to your partition
22:22 < th> use -t ext2 to mount it
22:22 < rolla> okay I shall
22:22 < th> and you should dd to the partition not to the disc
22:26 < rolla> ah okay
22:26 < rolla> adding the -t worked I guess I should have tried that sooner
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23:13 < holyolli> hi
23:14 * holyolli is now back in live - i
23:14 < holyolli> have internet..! ;-)
23:14 < Mike1> holyolli: welcome :)
23:14 < holyolli> hi Mike1 :)
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23:51 < Mike1> bye all
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