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00:25 < aszlig> re
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08:27 < acm_scl> nite ppl
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09:30 < blindWorker> morning
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09:46 < LocalHero> Wahoo, anybody have any isos, now i have 80gb free on my drives :)
09:49 < blindWorker> hmm... I've one lying around at home
09:50 < blindWorker> two, to be exact... even one for 486SX :D
09:50 < blindWorker> hi btw. :)
09:51 < LocalHero> blindWorker, hi, wow, greate, could you send it to me?
09:52 < blindWorker> sure, just tell me where to put 'em :)
09:53 < LocalHero> blindWorker, hmm, maybe i should create a secret upload dir :). The easiest way is if you could put up an ftp or www server and i download it from you :)
09:54 < blindWorker> Hmm... I _have_ both running at home... but... http://scavenger.homeip.net/mrtg  <-- the upper left image shows my bandwidth consumption... blue is upstream with a maximum upstream of 16 kB/sec...
09:55 < blindWorker> Hmm... or...
09:55 < blindWorker> I put it on the webserver and your just wget -c it... I think that's the best thing to do...
09:55 < blindWorker> test... test...
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09:56 < blindworker2> grmpf...
09:57 < blindworker2> I put it on the webserver and send you the link
09:58 < LocalHero> blindWorker, sounds like a nice plan :)
09:58 < blindworker2> or... hmm... wait a minute...
09:58 < LocalHero> 16/kB/sec, autch, that is not much, what kind of connection is it?
10:01 < blindworker2> Telekom-DSL
10:01 < blindworker2> it's a ADSL
10:03 < LocalHero> blindWorker, oki
10:06 < blindworker2> okay here goes:
10:07 < blindworker2> http://scavenger.homeip.net/rock-ia32-i486-base+opt-1.5.19.iso
10:07 < blindworker2> http://scavenger.homeip.net/rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.5.19.iso
10:07 < blindworker2> They are CVS-Snapshots with a package or two added by myself (iceWM, kterm, xjdic)
10:08 < blindworker2> about half a week old
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10:10 < LocalHero> blindWorker, nice. Ok, they are on their way down. I will also create an admin account on the webpage so that you can put info on it
10:10 < blindworker2> oops... wrong nick...
10:10 < blindworker2> okay, thanks :)
10:11 < LocalHero> blindWorker, you mean that they are 1.5.pre20?
10:11 < blindworker2> for mail-address please use blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net
10:11 < blindworker2> yup
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10:11 < tsa> moin
10:11 < blindworker2> Create-CD just put 1.5.19 in there...
10:11 < blindworker2> moin moin tsa
10:11 < tsa> hi blindworker2
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10:12 < blindWorker> d'ouh... I should learn typing
10:13 < tsa> *G*
10:13 < blindWorker> or better: get a cup of coffee... brb
10:14 < [anders]> narf narf.. morning all.. hope you all had a better weekend than I did.
10:15 < blindWorker> [anders]: Well... had to go to meet my whole family... does that count as better?
10:15 < LocalHero> blindWorker, whats your real name?
10:26 < blindWorker> sure, why not? I could create a rough concept of what I think might be easier to use in finding the isos, for example
10:26 < blindWorker> *argh*....
10:26 < [anders]> blindWorker: depends if you like them or not..
10:27 < blindWorker> okay, bye then
10:28 < blindWorker> hmm...
10:28 * blindWorker needs to get some work done now... I'll be gone for an hour or two...
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10:40 < mati> good morning
11:24 < huebi> Guten Morgen :-))
11:26 < blindWorker> moin huebi
11:26 < huebi> moin blindWorker
11:26 < blindWorker> long time no see :)
11:26 < huebi> 10 dayzs at least
11:27 * huebi waiting for T-DSL and/or the new wavelan cards
11:27 * blindWorker want WaveLAN, too >_<
11:28 < mati> waiting for TDSL? I hope you have time enough ;)
11:29 < tsa> huhu huebi!!
11:29 < tsa> long time no se..
11:29 < tsa> +e
11:29 < huebi> huhu tsa
11:29 < tsa> so how's things going?
11:29 < tsa> ripclaw told me you got a new office?
11:30 < huebi> fine. I have a very simple solution for linux*. Later more on that.
11:30 < blindWorker> looking forward to it :)
11:30 < tsa> hehe..ok
11:30 < huebi> tsa: Yes, I have a new office but without Inder nett
11:31 < tsa> huebi: that's sad.
11:31 < blindWorker> has anyone experiences with the lingerd for Apache?
11:31 < blindWorker> huebi: urgh.... that sucks... and needs to be changed :)
11:32 < blindWorker> brb... boss coming...
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11:32 < bluefire> Moin
11:32 < huebi> moin bluefire
11:34 < huebi> In the moment I'm building a nice multimediserver based on ROCK Linux
11:36 < bluefire> huebi: what hardware base?
11:36 < tsa> "multimediaserver"?
11:36 < tsa> == lots of mp3's on samba? ;)
11:37 < huebi> Athlon XP1800+, 512MB RAM, 2x 120GB Maxtor IDE, 5400RPM, RME GIGI 96&8 psd Soundcard *380( EUR.
11:37 < huebi> tsa: ack
11:37 < huebi> Warning - running *really* short on DMA buffers
11:38 < tsa> hehe
11:38 < huebi> What can I do against this "Warning - running *really* short on DMA buffers
11:38 < huebi> "
11:39 < tsa> you could ignore it.
11:39 < tsa> or get scsi discs ;)
11:39 < tsa> btw...
11:39 < tsa> i'm still awaiting your invoice regarding the IBM crt..
11:39 < huebi> tsa: It _is_ an scsi disk :->
11:39 < tsa> huebi: urghs.
11:39 < mati> what is the stable version at the moment? yesterday i downloaded rocklinux 1.6.0, it was marked as stable...
11:40 < huebi> mati: there is no rocklinux 1.6.0
11:40 < mati> thats why i ask
11:40 < mati> moment plaese, i grep the ftp link
11:41 < tsa> huebi: in this case: no idea; perhaps it's possible to tweak some dma options with echo 1 > /proc/somewhere/foo/bar
11:41 < huebi> only perhaps drocklinux 1.6.0. But that is not something I would call stable
11:41 * tsa never understood the idea behind drock.
11:41 < tsa> i'd recommend staying with plain good old rock linux ;-)))
11:41 < huebi> tsa: What date do you want to have on the invoice?
11:42 < tsa> huebi: don't know, doesn't matter.
11:42 < huebi> tsa: ack
11:42 < huebi> mati:one moment...
11:42 < tsa> huebi: somthiinhg in 2002 would be appropriate, /me thinks
11:42 < mati> huebi: ups, i see it now, there is a rock and drock version
11:42 < mati> sry *g*
11:42 < tsa> ;)
11:44 < mati> is there an iso version of the actually rocklinux distribution ?
11:44 < blindWorker> okay, he's back
11:44 < blindWorker> erm, gone
11:44 < tsa> hehe
11:44 < tsa> blindWorker: confused?
11:44 < blindWorker> mati: iso.rocklinux.de
11:44 < blindWorker> tsa: not more than usual
11:44 < tsa> *GG*
11:45 < mati> hui, iso.rocklinux.org is up, yesterday it was down, so i searched a mirror and get drock
11:45 < mati> thx a lot
11:45 < blindWorker> yeah it got new harddisks :)
11:45 < blindWorker> no problem
11:47 < huebi> The new (unofficial) master master mirror for ROCK Linux 1.5: ftp://stud.fbi.fh-darmstadt.de/pub/linux/rocklinux
11:47 < huebi> I don't post it on the mailing list because of traffic restrictions
11:48 < blindWorker> huebi: how much traffic do they grant you?
11:49 < huebi> blindWorker: only a few GB But If I get rsync configured on that server ftp.tu-wien can mirror it, too.
11:50 < blindWorker> sw33t
11:51 * huebi now uses a 9GB SCSI disc instead of network :-))
11:52 < tsa> *yawn*
11:52 < blindWorker> hmm... that should speed things up a bit :)
11:52 < tsa> huebi: did you ever design any kind of high-availability servers?
11:52 * blindWorker needs an 80487 >_<
11:53 * tsa looking for a good way to sync data between two servers..
11:55 < blindWorker> tsa: put a 100MBit Ethernet Card into both, connect them with a CrossOver-Cable, and rsync using these cards :)
11:55 < huebi> tsa: I can send a mail to the list with my experiences with HA under ROCK Linux. But firstthe mp3/mpeg server must be finished
11:56 < blindWorker> o_0 Why is there mpg123 on my e10k ??
11:56 < huebi> tsa: www.linux-ha.org is a good start for it.
11:56 < huebi> e10k with sound option *g*
11:57 < tsa> blindWorker: rsync doesn't work in this case..
11:57 < blindWorker> huebi: hmm... I should do a `locate mp3` on this box...
11:58 < blindWorker> tsa: hmm... that's bad
11:58 < tsa> i have chroot-environments for about 500 domains...
11:58 < tsa> -> lots of hardlinks
11:59 < tsa> overall data is about 17gb
12:00 < tsa> with rsync, the rsync process gets very big (1gb++) and renders both machines unusable
12:00 < tsa> running separate rsync jobs for each chroot environment, i can't preserve the hardlinks..
12:01 < tsa> rdist works, but it's terrible slow and doesn't support special files ( /dev... )
12:02 < blindWorker> ouch...
12:02 * tsa currently considers raid-1 with network block device, but i don't have any experience with this. 
12:02 < tsa> any kind of input welcome ;)
12:02 < blindWorker> hmm... sick idea forming in mind
12:02 < tsa> hehe
12:03 < blindWorker> "Under UNIX everything is a file." + Network _File_ System = export /dev/whateverdriveyouwant && dd if=/dev/source of=/nfs/dest
12:04 < blindWorker> I always wondered if I could nfs-export my CD-Writer
12:04 < tsa> *G*
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12:10 < th> Ge0rG: ping?
12:10 < Ge0rG> th: pong
12:10 < th> Ge0rG: du bist abwesend im ircnet?
12:10 < Ge0rG> th: #magdeburg ist voll.
12:10 * Ge0rG kommt nicht mehr rein
12:10 < th> Ge0rG: sag doch was ;)
12:10 < Ge0rG> th: wollt ich grad
12:10 < th> Ge0rG: -l
12:16 < huebi> th: moin.
12:16 < th> moin huebi
12:16 < th> huebi: lange nich gelesen
12:16 < huebi> th: apache-vanilla hat ein "file not found" Downloadproblem
12:16 < th> huebi: acknowledged. ich kuemmer mich drum
12:16 < huebi> th: jo, so 10 tage...
12:16 < th> huebi: urlaub gehabt?
12:17 < huebi> noe, nur keinen Funktionierenden Linuxrechner mit tdsl
12:17 < th> ahso
12:18 < huebi> und muste vieeel autofahren. *g*
12:21 < th> huebi: ich dachte ich haette schon auf 1.3.27 umgestellt. aber war wohl in der hektik alles nur mein eigenes webserver-script-gewusel
12:24 < huebi> th achso
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12:31 < th> huebi: updated and tested. 1.3.27 laeuft jetzt
12:32 < huebi> th: klasse
12:40 < tsa> hm..
12:40 < tsa> irgendein cisco-mensch alive?
12:46 < mati> ggf kann ich dir helfen
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12:51 < tsa> ok...
12:51 < tsa> 2mbit ueber x.21, an jedem ende c1603
12:51 < tsa> brauch ich unbedingt ein transfernetz /30?
12:52 < mati> mmmm
12:52 < tsa> da es ja nur eine point-to-point-verbindung ist, muesste man die strecke doch eigentlich auch unnumbered fahren koennen, oder?
12:52 < mati> eigentlich schon
12:52 < mati> also es sollte reichen
12:52 < tsa> hm...ok.
12:52 < mati> damn, und ich dachte du fragst jetzt sachen wegen ner pix oder 800er series *g*
12:52 < mati> aber es sollte klappen
12:53 < mati> rein von der logik halt
12:53 < tsa> dann teste ich das mal bei gelegeneheit
12:53 < tsa> danke.
12:53 < tsa> nee....
12:53 < tsa> pix is komisch
12:53 < tsa> (insbesondere bei (e)smtp)
12:53 < mati> och, die ist schon ok, nur uebertrieben teuer...cisco halt
12:54 < tsa> (das mailguard-zeug ueberschreibt emstp-kommandos mit XXXX, laesst smtp aber durch..
12:54 < tsa> )
12:54 < tsa> krank.
12:54 < mati> welche version ?
12:54 < mati> wir setzen die eigentlich nur zum vpn machen ein, nicht direkt als fw
12:55 < tsa> hm...keine ahnung
12:55 < tsa> komm auch grad nich drauf von hier aus.
12:55 < mati> ist auch egal eigentlich ;)
12:55 < tsa> hehe
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12:56 < tsa> hm....vpn haben wir bisher mit 1700ern gemacht..
12:56 < mati> wieso ziehe ich die iso von rocklinux mit TDSL mit ca 30 kbps und mit qsc bei 1250 kbps?
12:56 < mati> also irgendwas stimmt da nicht
12:57 < tsa> hehe
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12:57 < mati> hat jemand rocklinux produktiv als Server im Einsatz ?
12:57 < mati> dumme frage eigentlich, oder?
12:58 < tsa> jupp ;)
12:58 < tsa> huebi in groesseren mengen.
12:58 < mati> das ist echt wichtig, ich spekuliere die FW der ARD damit zu ersetzen, probe es aber erstmal daheim aus
12:58 * tsa hat ne ipsec-kiste mit rock-readonly in sueddeutschland..
12:58 < mati> naja, ich teste es mal ne woche und dann model ich das mal um
12:59 < tsa> oh, also was groesseres ;)
12:59 < mati> deswegen frage ich auch
12:59 < mati> das tolle an rocklinux ist ja das es so schoen schlank ist
12:59 < mati> aber ich mag nicht die tolle apt-get dist-upgrade option missen =)
13:00 < tsa> hehe...
13:01 < tsa> unterhalt dich deswegen am besten mal mit huebi, der kann dir da wohl am besten was zu sagen.
13:01 < mati> koennte man soetwas nicht auch fuer rocklinux entwerfen?
13:01 < mati> ja gut
13:01 * tsa geht jetzt erstmal den provider/arbeitsplatz wexeln ;-)
13:01 < tsa> bis spaeter
13:01 < mati> bis spaeter
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13:08 < mati> ich werde dann auch mal ein wenig "arbeiten"
13:08 < mati> ciao
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13:25 < tsa> re.
13:38 < huebi> hi tsa
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13:49 < huebi> th: are the changes of zour apache in cvs?
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13:51 < blindWorker> reeeeeeeeee-hi
13:52 < LocalHero> Hi
13:52 < LocalHero> Just a dumb question. Is re=hi?
13:52 < blindWorker> something like that :)
13:52 < blindWorker> rehi = hi, I've been gone and am back now :)
13:52 < fake> hji
13:53 < blindWorker> I usually use it after a brief away of about an hour or two
13:53 < blindWorker> hi fake
13:53 < blindWorker> fake.
13:53 < blindWorker> fake> do you have my 1.7-iso with you?
13:53 < fake> blindWorker: the one i deleted with ./scripts/Cleanup -full ?
13:54 < fake> becausei thought it'd only delete the "default" configuration?
13:54 < blindWorker> oh... yes exactly that one >_<
13:55 < fake> err.... no? ;)
13:55 < blindWorker> damn... well... have to compile it myself somewhen when there's some space again on my disks
13:56 < fake> blindWorker: i'll build another p3 now, with the new glibc
13:56 < fake> then - on that system, as soon as it is running - i will build one for p4
13:57 < blindWorker> okay, thanks
13:57 < LocalHero> ahh, more isos :)
13:57 < fake> *lol*
13:57 < LocalHero> Why cant i find any for mips or alpha? Powerpc?
13:57 < blindWorker> fake: btw, the cd-writer still works, but the motor seems to be too dirty to start spinning it by itself
13:57 < fake> LocalHero: because nobody built them?
13:58 < blindWorker> LocalHero: for Alpha you have to kick esden :)
13:58 < fake> for mips you have to kick debian
13:58 < LocalHero> fake, hmm, well, it would be nice to run rocklinux on some old macs?
13:58 < fake> then go m68k, not ppc *g*
13:58 < blindWorker> aaah... that reminds me...
13:58 < LocalHero> Ahh, hmm, but they are never here :(
13:58 < LocalHero> fake, hmm, they are old g3 machines, isnt that powerpc?
13:59 < blindWorker> have to write a fax regarding those Sun Ultra (noideawhichnumber)
13:59 < fake> yes, but it's not _old_
13:59 < LocalHero> hmm, must restart my windows, be back sone
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13:59 * blindWorker putting on headphones and starting .Hack//Sign Soundtrack
13:59 < huebi> LocalHero: more isos are in work here. Also for sparc64, sparc and alpha
14:00 < huebi> moin fake
14:00 < fake> hi huebi !
14:01 < huebi> I got a SparcStatio 10 from Ripclaw for the sparc port
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14:01 < LocalHero> back :)
14:02 * fake has an ss5 to play with 
14:05 < esden> hi all
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14:05 < blindWorker> hi esden
14:05 * blindWorker must not say what his Router is...
14:06 < fake> hi esden!
14:07 < blindWorker> brb... have to get this fax going
14:08 < esden> ok ... i have a lecture at 16:00 ... till 16:45 ... then I can drive home >_<
14:08 < esden> I love this fscking university ... and this university loves the fscking me >_<
14:09 < blindWorker> esden> train?
14:12 < esden> no ... car
14:12 < blindWorker> :(
14:12 < blindWorker> hmm..
14:12 < huebi> tach esden
14:12 < blindWorker> you could come to "Siemenswerke" and take me with you :)
14:13 < esden> hi huebi 
14:13 < esden> blindWorker: ehhhmmm ... I do not know where it is ... 
14:13 < fake> and stop by TVS
14:13 < esden> I do not know the way ...
14:13 < fake> Reitmoorstr. 9 ;)
14:13 < fake> but not before 1730
14:13 < blindWorker> esden> hmm... other end of Munich if you are in Garching :D
14:13 < fake> <- centre
14:14 < esden> blindWorker: ok then forget it ...
14:14 < blindWorker> esden> You know where Nos lives?
14:14 < esden> fake: that is more possible ... but I do not think I want go go there ...
14:14 < esden> blindWorker: yes I know
14:14 < blindWorker> about two kilometers away from him :D
14:14 < esden> but I would not find the way there ... with car
14:14 < blindWorker> Mittlerer Ring --> Sendling
14:15 < esden> :-/
14:15 < blindWorker> and you're almost there :)
14:15 < esden> yes almost
14:15 < esden> that is not enough
14:15 < blindWorker> esden> yes, you have to turn left twice  and drive about 150 meters
14:15 < esden> blindWorker: you could come with tube to garching 
14:15 < esden> I could then get you from the station
14:15 < esden> fake: you too ;-)
14:16 < blindWorker> esden> if it is still in MVV-Ring 3
14:16 < esden> blindWorker: I think yes ...
14:16 < blindWorker> Okay... then I won't be there before 17:30
14:16 < esden> urgh ... that is late
14:16 < esden> ok ... we can try
14:16 < fake> hm
14:16 < blindWorker> hehe, nah I'll go by train
14:17 < esden> I have not my cellphone here ...
14:17 < blindWorker> after all I've two Mangas with me :D
14:17 < fake> i quit work at 1730 and my ticket is only 2 zones
14:17 < esden> fake: I think that is not enough
14:17 < esden> blindWorker: ok then not ... 
14:17 < esden> :-P
14:17 * blindWorker takes esden's tongue and pulls
14:18 < fake> blindWorker: you have to go by train, or i won't get a place to sit ;))
14:18 < blindWorker> fake: what's with christina?
14:18 < fake> but i can't drive you to ingolstadt north today ;(
14:18 < blindWorker> np
14:18 < fake> blindWorker: i dunno. the longer the day the more she talks
14:18 < blindWorker> *lol*
14:21 < esden> lool
14:21 < esden> who is christina ... when I may ask ?
14:22 < fake> christina mann
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14:22 < fake> i know her from katherl
14:22 < fake> she visited it almost as long as i did - but she got her abi ;)
14:22 < esden> aha ... 
14:22 < blindWorker> I've been in the same class as she... from 5 through 8
14:23 < esden> hmm ... ok ...
14:23 < esden> should I know her ?
14:23 < blindWorker> hmm... don't think so
14:24 < fake> blonde, not the very best shape, from wettstetten
14:24 < esden> hmm ... ok ... so I do not know her ;-)
14:25 < blindWorker> sounds as if you only know the most wonderful girls :D
14:25 < fake> like whom?
14:25 < esden> fake: like Gabriela ;-)
14:25 < esden> *sabber*
14:25 < blindWorker> ???
14:26 < blindWorker> could you clarify that for me?
14:26 < esden> blindWorker: I know her since I was 5 or so
14:26 < esden> a very old friend ...
14:27 < fake> the girl from poland?
14:27 < blindWorker> hmm... "Sandkastenliebe" :D
14:27 < esden> I met her as I have been in poland
14:27 < esden> blindWorker: no I was not in love with her ...
14:27 < fake> "we will go to tokyo u together... jaksoku?" *g*
14:27 < esden> but she is the only girl that is beautifull and very inteligent that I know
14:28 < fake> warsow university, in this case.
14:28 < esden> fake: loool
14:28 < blindWorker> fake> *Lool*
14:29 < blindWorker> esden> hmm... that's rare nowadays
14:29 < esden> blindWorker: ACK
14:29 * blindWorker punching some memories out of his head
14:30 < blindWorker> http://bchat.bingo-ev.de/blah.gif <-- How I look right now :D
14:30 < LocalHero> blindWorker, hmm, your server seams to be down
14:30 < blindWorker> LocalHero> seems like a T-DSL reconnect
14:30 < LocalHero> blindWorker, oki :)
14:32 < esden> leecher ... 
14:32 < blindWorker> just resume the download
14:32 < blindWorker> esden> :P
14:32 < blindWorker> okay, I can get the Ultra 5 :)
14:32 * -> esden pulls blindWorker's tongue
14:33 < fake> ./scripts/Build-CrossCC: eval: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `('
14:33 * blindWorker punches esden
14:33 < blindWorker> fake> *LOL*
14:33 < esden> lol
14:33 < esden> fake: have fun ;-)
14:33 < fake> I _HATE_ DEBIAN
14:33 < esden> *ROFL*
14:33 < fake> uname (coreutils) 4.5.2
14:33 < fake> says:
14:33 < blindWorker> esden> an Ultra 5 would make some sweet thing, don't you think?
14:33 < fake> Linux jana 2.4.19 #11 SMP Mit Aug 21 15:01:13 CEST 2002 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
14:34 < fake> note the ()
14:34 < esden> rofl
14:34 < esden> hmm ... an what is /proc/cpuinfo saying ?
14:34 < huebi> fake: a binary patch may help :->>
14:34 < fake> that is from cpuinfo
14:35 < fake> i will replace uname by a small shellscript...
14:35 < blindWorker> Go away, or I will replace you with a very small shellscript :D
14:35 < esden> guys you are ill ... but I like you ...
14:36 < blindWorker> s/ill/sick/
14:36 < esden> cool: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/13/1754204.shtml?tid=117
14:36 * blindWorker will soon have a Sun Ultra 5 to play with
14:36 < blindWorker> esden> want to play with me? :D
14:36 < huebi> cu later. I go back to the office
14:36 < huebi> wech..... Mathilda wecken
14:37 < esden> cu huebi 
14:37 < esden> have fun
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14:37 < esden> blender.org is /.'ed >_<
14:37 < blindWorker> hehe
14:37 < blindWorker> no surprise there
14:38 < esden> I hate /. sometimes >_<
14:38 < esden> blindWorker: have you read the /. apropos mail ?
14:38 < blindWorker> jepp and I will reply as soon as I'm home
14:40 < blindWorker> esden/fake> what about billiard on friday?
14:40 < fake> hm...
14:41 < esden> hm...
14:41 < blindWorker> hm...
14:41 < blindWorker> esden> btw. I didn't reach anyone in the Stadttheater..
14:42 < blindWorker> hmm...
14:42 < blindWorker> brb... going on the nerves of a co-workewr
14:45 < blindWorker> back
14:53 < esden> that is not good
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14:54 < armijn> re
14:55 < esden> re armijn 
14:55 < armijn> hi esden
14:55 < armijn> wow, I got flamed by clifford
14:55 < armijn> kewl
14:56 < esden> armijn: lool
14:56 < esden> armijn: you like it ... 
14:56 < armijn> nope, of course not
14:56 < armijn> they don't like it that someone is trying to improve 1.5
14:56 < armijn> and everyone should be using 1.7, which is unrealistic
14:56 < fake> why?
14:57 < fake> (just curious)
14:57 < armijn> fake: well, because not everyone wants a development release
14:57 < armijn> and prefer stable releases
14:57 < fake> 1.5 is stable?
14:58 < armijn> hey, I don't use ROCK, remember?
14:58 < armijn> I just port it
14:58 < esden> gosh ... I am so terribly stupid >_,
14:58 < esden> I am sooo dumb ...
14:58 < esden> argh
14:58 < fake> armijn: me, too ;)
14:58 < blindWorker> too... much... anime... on... hard... disk
14:58 < esden> blindWorker: rm -rf /data/anime 
14:58 < esden> ;-)
14:59 < armijn> I mostly use Solaris and FreeBSD, so...
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15:00 < blindWorker> too... much... anime... on... hard... disk...
15:00 < esden> blindWorker: rm -rf /data/anime 
15:00 < blindWorker> esden> you don't want me doing THAT, do you?
15:00 < blindWorker> chattr +i /data/anime/* -R
15:01 < blindWorker> D
15:01 < esden> when I have not enough space on my harddisk for rock I would do it ;-)
15:01 < armijn> ah well, it's easy for me
15:01 < armijn> rm -rf /rock-linux >:->
15:01 < blindWorker> esden> I _always_ have space for rock :D
15:01 < esden> armijn: :P
15:01 < blindWorker> armijn> I could delete /rock-isos
15:01 < armijn> esden: I was refering to my work for ROCK...
15:01 < blindWorker> after LocalHero has them, of course :D
15:02 < armijn> I mean, I've got patches for 1.5.19 to make it build on UltraSparc successfully, but if they just want me to do it in 1.7...
15:02 < esden> armijn: so useless ?
15:02 < esden> ;-)
15:02 < armijn> no, not useless
15:02 < armijn> well, some people view it as useless
15:02 < armijn> which is quite demotivating...
15:02 < blindWorker> armijn> GIMME THAT PATCHES!!!!!
15:03 < esden> armijn: I do not say that your work is useless ... 
15:03 < blindWorker> I'll get one of those babies soon...
15:03 < armijn> well, rxr and clifford think so
15:03 < esden> blindWorker: *grr*
15:03 < blindWorker> esden> you may play with it too
15:04 < blindWorker> esden> or can _you_ afford 500 Euro for it?
15:04 < esden> armijn: hmm ... I am also wondering why you all are trying to port 1.5 to sparc ... and not 1.7 ... 
15:04 < blindWorker> you couldn't even afford 250 for the alphas, remember?
15:04 < esden> but that is not me to decide such things
15:04 < blindWorker> esden> because it is somewhat difficult to install 1.7 as of now...
15:04 < armijn> esden: when I started with sparc, 1.7 was just starting and really immature
15:04 < armijn> 1.5 was more stable at that time
15:04 < armijn> and I didn't want to deliver an incomplete port
15:05 < esden> armijn: I can imagine that 1.7 gets sooner stable then 1.5 ... but that is another thing ...
15:05 < armijn> but now, *everytime* I want to fix something in 1.5, rxr starts "we already fixed that in 1.7", which is absolutely irrelevant for my work
15:05 < armijn> and that pisses me off
15:05 < esden> blindWorker: you can install it ... and the prort people are (normally) skilled enough to do it
15:05 < blindWorker> then ignore him
15:05 < esden> armijn: ACK
15:05 < blindWorker> esden> hmm...
15:06 < blindWorker> armijn> people will try to talk you out of something again and again, but when you have done it they are happy nonetheless
15:06 < armijn> yeah well, I've been thinking of stopping with ROCK anyway
15:07 < blindWorker> as of now, I would be happy to get those patches
15:07 < blindWorker> armijn> you know that esden will haunt you if you do? :)
15:07 < fake> armijn: i'd put it this way - if you enjoy the work, nobody will stop you - but you can't expect all roses.
15:07 < armijn> so be it :)
15:07 < armijn> fake: yeah, but I do get a lot of shit
15:08 < esden> armijn: why are you doing the sparc port ? ... I do the stuff in rock because I like this ... not beause of other people ...
15:08 < armijn> esden: Pjotr made me do it :)
15:08 < armijn> yeah, but it is frustrating to hear all that crap over and over again
15:08 < armijn> you see, for me ROCK is just about learning stuff about a distribution
15:09 < armijn> that's all
15:09 < fake> armijn: well, if that stops you from doing things you enjoy, maybe those things are not as enjoyable as you thought...
15:09 < esden> in every community there are people that will tell you bad things ...
15:10 * fake sees clifford's and rene's point, but also armijn's. 
15:10 < fake> so i keep quiet.
15:10 < armijn> of course I know why they're saying it
15:10 < esden> fake: did I say something ?
15:11 < fake> esden: huh? no no
15:11 < esden> good
15:11 < armijn> seems like they don't get it...I'm doing a 1.5 port, so I don't need to know if it's already been done in 1.7
15:11 < armijn> ah well, I will do sparc, alpha and maybe mips for 1.5
15:11 < armijn> after that, I'm gone...
15:11 < fake> mips in 1.5?
15:12 < armijn> fake: why not?
15:12 < fake> problem. you need gcc > 2.95.3 for that
15:12 < armijn> fake: for the kernel?
15:12 < fake> the kernel is one of the fews things that will compile with gcc-2.95.3
15:12 < fake> but not much more
15:12 < armijn> ah
15:12 < armijn> ok, no mips then
15:12 < blindWorker> glibc ?
15:12 < armijn> can still do sparc and alpha
15:12 < fake> glibc won't
15:12 < esden> armijn: perhups they say it to tell you that you can take a look in 1.7 and backport it to 1.5 ?
15:12 < blindWorker> wasn't there a funny problem with glibc and gcc 3.2?
15:13 < fake> blindWorker: shut up
15:13 < blindWorker> :-x
15:13 < fake> *hrmpf*
15:14 < esden> blindWorker: I think fake is in bad mood ... 
15:14 < armijn> esden: nah
15:15 < armijn> esden: rxr keeps telling that we should use gcc3 for compiling kernels on sparc64, even though that's not the recommended kernel compiler
15:15 < armijn> and I had lots of problems compiling kernels with it
15:15 < blindWorker> esden> just about this topic :D
15:15 < armijn> and am sticking to egcs64
15:15 < esden> blindWorker: ACK
15:15 < fake> gcc3 is the standard compiler for glibc 2.3...
15:16 < armijn> well, if my kernels can't build with gcc3 but can be built with egcs64, it's simple
15:16 < blindWorker> brb... have to translate something
15:16 < esden> armijn: and what is the problem with that he is telling it to you ?
15:17 < LocalHero> Why dont you build the kernel with one gcc and the rest with another?
15:17 < esden> LocalHero: they are doing it ...
15:17 < LocalHero> ahha :)
15:17 * fake stops himself from saying "that is possible in 1.7"
15:17 < esden> (iirc)
15:17 < LocalHero> *lol*
15:17 < armijn> esden: the problem is that he keeps telling it over and over again and completely ignores my arguments
15:17 < armijn> yes, we're using two different compilers :)
15:18 < fake> armijn: well, then don't listen to him.
15:18 < esden> armijn: then ignore him too ... ?
15:18 < LocalHero> Hmm, im confused.
15:18 < armijn> esden: sometimes...usually I make him a bit angry to start with ;-)
15:18 < armijn> then I ignore him :)
15:18 < esden> lol ... armijn you are a bad boy ;-)
15:19 < armijn> oh yeah :)
15:19 < armijn> rxr is way too serious about things
15:19 < fake> not if it comes to fixing gnome urls or keeping his pkg's up-to-date
15:19 < fake> pango is broken since months
15:19 * armijn whispers "sourceforge"
15:19 < fake> a simple version-upgrade, and it compiles
15:20 * -> esden stops himself
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15:23 < esden> ahh ... I now have the blender sources ... I am very interested if I can compile it
15:24 < esden> hmm ... I think I have to try it at home ...
15:24 < esden> and blender is not able to run on a dualhea box >_<
15:24 < esden> grr
15:25 < armijn> not much stuff has changed over the last few weeks in 1.5 right/
15:26 < esden> at least I have not heard much about 1.5
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15:31 < Mike1> moin
15:31 < fake> hi Mike1
15:32 < esden> hi Mike1 
15:32 < Mike1> hi @ all
15:32 < rolla> re
15:35 * Mike1 watching armijn's patches ...
15:38 < armijn> they're goood
15:39 * Mike1 never said they were not
15:39 < armijn> I know :)
15:40 < armijn> but still, they're good :)
15:40 < Mike1> *g*
15:41 < esden> ok ... I am off
15:41 < esden> be back in two or three hours
15:41 < esden> cu guys
15:41 < Mike1> cu esden
15:44 < huebi> re
15:44 < Mike1> MASTER HUEBI!!!
15:44 < Mike1> welcome
15:44 < huebi> cu esden
15:44 * armijn afk
15:44 < huebi> hi Mike1 :-))
15:47 * huebi reading scrollback
15:50 < th> huebi: yes. i tested it by scripts/Update it's from cvs
15:51 < th> huebi: (see 13:49h)
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15:55 < armijn> goodie.
15:55 < huebi> th: ok, I'll update it, too
15:55 < huebi> re armijn
15:55 < armijn> and apply my patch
15:56 < huebi> armijn: yes, just I apply it tonight and commit it to cvs tomorrow or wednesday.
15:57 < armijn> test it as well
15:57 < huebi> armijn: ack
15:57 * huebi getting his mailbox home
15:57 < armijn> might break x86 or so
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15:58 < blindWorker> ree
15:58 < huebi> armijn: doesn't matter. I'll test and fix it then.
15:58 < armijn> ok
15:58 < blindWorker> I hate translating from sweet understandable english into german DAU-Speak
15:58 < armijn> huebi: what I did is disable the "selecting modules"
16:00 < huebi> armijn: I made some tests without the linux autoconfiguration crapp. I just made a fully loaded .config for sparc64 and changed it till it compiled. That should be the best solution.
16:00 < armijn> huebi: ok
16:01 < armijn> you can also put that in CVS, instead of my patch
16:01 < huebi> armijn: I fully agree with your opinion about Rene. I just ignore his flames and emails.
16:01 < armijn> might actually be nicer
16:01 < armijn> to have that instead of autoconfig
16:02 < huebi> armijn: First I have a look at your patch than I decide what to do.
16:02 < armijn> k
16:02 < armijn> well, this worked for me, so...
16:03 < huebi> armijn:
16:03 < huebi> ROCK Linux must be easy!
16:03 < armijn> so, what's difficult here then?
16:04 < Mike1> define easy
16:04 < blindWorker> SuSE aims to be "easy", too, y'know
16:04 < armijn> for me it's easy
16:05 < armijn> I will do two more ports of 1.5 (sparc and alpha) and then I'll switch to LFS
16:05 < huebi> easy - understandable code for everyone.
16:06 < blindWorker> huebi: hmm... I don't think so... some of cliffis code are _damn_ hard to understand without studying man-pages for several days
16:06 < huebi> blindWorker: Very simple: This is just bad code.
16:07 < Mike1> huebi: so what do you suggest ? re-writing the code ?
16:08 < armijn> documenting it
16:08 < huebi> Mike1: only some parts of it, not all.
16:08 < huebi> Yes, and documenting it.
16:08 < Mike1> armijn: you mean like adding 10 lines to just comment a line of code?
16:08 < huebi> Mike1: ack
16:08 < armijn> mike1: nope
16:08 < Mike1> omg
16:08 < armijn> that's overkill
16:09 < armijn> but there should be some documentation
16:09 < armijn> otherwise it's really hard to understand
16:09 < blindWorker> hmm...
16:10 < blindWorker> I think two lines of comment for a line containing several awks and or seds should be sufficient
16:10 < armijn> yup
16:10 < Mike1> i do believe there should be soem stuff documentated but the question is how specific is this going to be and what parts of the code would be commented
16:10 < blindWorker> one line describing what it does and one line - maybe - with an example
16:10 < huebi> To sell a computer controlled medical instrument in the USA you need to document _everything_. That means 10 time more work for documentation than for coding. But that is really overkill. At least for ROCK Linux.
16:10 < armijn> it really took me a long time before I understood the 1.5 buildscripts
16:11 < Mike1> i wouldnt like to see 10 - 15mb more on the rock srcs that are just comments
16:11 < armijn> mike1: of course not! but some documentation would help
16:11 < huebi> Mike1: I don't like that too.
16:12 < huebi> to understand linux.conf you need to know at least 16 other scripts or configuration files. That is crapp!
16:12 < Mike1> ok perhaps some "documentation standards" should be defined
16:13 < Mike1> so we all can contribute and make sure there wont be some HUGE coments on the code
16:13 < huebi> Mike1: fake suggested /usr/src/linux/Documentation/CodingStyle
16:14 < Mike1> or even if we contribute for example to the ROCK Guide explaining stuff like what you just said about linux.conf
16:14 < Mike1> yeah that would work for me :)
16:14 < blindWorker> huebi: could you give me a brief summary of what documentation-style is suggested there?
16:14 < armijn> mike1: working on the guide in spanish
16:14 < blindWorker> I don't have a linux-box in reach...
16:14 < armijn> ?
16:15 < Mike1> armijn: yes but its going to take me a few more weeks :)
16:15 < blindWorker> [sarcasm]The ROCK Linux Documentation Project[/sarcasm]
16:15 < Mike1> blindWorker: actually it does exist already
16:15 < armijn> mike1: already started?
16:15 < tsa> "Read ther source, Luke!" ..
16:15 < Mike1> armijn: yes 4 days ago
16:16 < armijn> mike1: ah, ok, kewl...there's a part about sparc64 in there you know...
16:16 < blindWorker> *LOOL*
16:16 < Mike1> armijn: yes i have seen it already :)
16:16 < blindWorker> oh... you mean the Rolling ROCK ?
16:16 < huebi> blindWorker: keep your code easy. If not make a comment about _what_ it does and _why_ (and not how your code works)
16:16 < Mike1> armijn: also i have been in touch with pj to make some imporvements as well
16:17 < blindWorker> huebi> had a look at pz-config.sh ?? that mega-long-line-with-20-awk-and-sed ?? *g*
16:17 < armijn> blindWorker: not the rolling rock
16:17 < blindWorker> armijn: then I have missed something >_<
16:17 < armijn> rock-doc-pr@rocklinux.org
16:18 < Mike1> blindWorker: its not on the web but some of us have been working on this for years
16:19 < huebi> blindWorker: I only know scrips/Puzzle. But clifford wrote some good comments for it. I still have to put them in cvs :(
16:19 < blindWorker> Mike1: hmm... i see...
16:19 < Mike1> guess one of the most significant works have been the ROCK Linux Guide by Pjotr Prins
16:19 < Mike1> http://www.rocklinux.org/guide.html
16:20 < Mike1> blindWorker: there is also an un-oficial project for porting rock to other languages than just english
16:20 < Mike1> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/multi.html
16:21 < blindWorker> hmm... should pay more attention to these things...
16:21 < Mike1> huebi: i have been trying to get soem work around documenting scripts/Internal
16:21 < th> strange. my dhcpd does not like "option option-150"
16:21 < armijn> huebi: I did send you a few comments a few months ago...
16:22 < armijn> $ROCK/Documentation/Developers/ROCK-SCRIPTS
16:22 < huebi> armijn: The comments must be in the code.
16:22 < armijn> ah
16:23 < armijn> I'll push it on to Pjotr then...
16:24 < Mike1> huebi: when are we going to have 1.5.20?
16:25 < huebi> in the next days. I put in the simplyfied kernel configuration. In 1.5.21 there will be new Installation disks.
16:25 < blindWorker> sw33t
16:26 * Mike1 has been waiting 4 it so long :)
16:26 < blindWorker> huebi: don't know if you already changed that, but what about having the Math_Emulation in the kernel per default for 386 and 486 Processors?
16:26 < huebi> xfs will be in 1.5.20, too. :-))
16:27 < th> "Ma  th_   Emulation" *blink*
16:27 < huebi> blindWorker: good idea. I change that.
16:27 < blindWorker> th> imagine, my old 486 doesn't have a coprocessor :)
16:27 < blindWorker> huebi: thanks :)
16:27 < th> blindWorker: even my old 386 has one
16:28 < blindWorker> hmm... it's a Fujitsu-Siemens thing I have...
16:28 < huebi> th: But you can't install ROCK Linux if not.
16:29 < blindWorker> right: "No Co-Processor found and no Math Emulation enabled" IIRC
16:35 < huebi> and Math Emulation will be disabled if a fpu is found.
16:40 < armijn> ok, am off
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16:50 < blindWorker> okay, I'll leave now, too. Time to go home :)
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16:50 < fake> argh?
16:50 < fake> NOW?
16:50 < fake> bastard
16:51 < Mike1> fake: ?
16:51 < fake> he's on the same train that i am on later
16:51 < fake> and i leave at 1730
16:51 < fake> (thats in 40 minutes)
16:52 < Mike1> lol
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17:16 < [anders]> naaaarf!!
17:17 < [anders]> for some unknown (and hugely irritating reason) my server at home rebooted (on its own) twice today...
17:18 < Mike1> [anders]: ?
17:18 < Mike1> got hacked?
17:18 < [anders]> don't think so.. but once I get a stable ROCK release, I will be updating the box..
17:19 < [anders]> I'll pull out the floppy and stick in a second HDD in it.. (More space.. :)
17:19 < [anders]> there are IBM 100GB disks for £98 here in UK.. Which is a pretty good price..
17:22 < Mike1> :) so get one
17:23 < [anders]> I need a better setup at home.. The build box should be more or less off the net so the trojans in software doesn't become a problem.
17:26 < [anders]> we have been discussing secure setups here as one of the guys here is very sharp on TCP/IP..
17:29 < [anders]> Perhaps once I have moved to a bigger place I can get the space to set up a secure site..
17:29 < [anders]> starting to get some of the hardware together..
17:29 < Mike1> :)
17:30 < [anders]> Thinking about getting a few bits together for a surf-station..
17:31 < [anders]> in any event. going to go home now and get some sleep. I am shattered.
17:32 < Mike1> n8 [anders]
17:32 < [anders]> night night
17:32 < tsa> cu [anders]
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17:34 < d3mian> hi
17:39 < Mike1> hi d3mian
17:42 < d3mian> i think i could get over there wednesday.. if it is noy a prob
17:42 < d3mian> @ Mike1
17:42 < Mike1> *g
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17:45 < Mike1> hi hackbard
17:46 < hackbard> hi !
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17:46 < hackbard> Mike1, syrx at my home atm, he wants me to remember u ... ;)
17:46 < Mike1> hackbard: ack
17:47 < Mike1> hackbard: d3mian told me
17:50 < Mike1> hackbard: tell him to gimme 1/2 bit, and to drop me an email to mike@rocklinux.org to have his email addy
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17:52 < hackbard> sure, i ll tell him
17:52 < hackbard> how r u btw ?
17:52 < hackbard> everythings fine with ur heart again?
17:52 < Mike1> getting better and better with the days
17:53 < Mike1> brb rebooting
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17:53 < tsa> cu
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17:56 < Mike1> re
18:13 * Mike1 rebooting again brb
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18:28 < netrunner> hello *
18:29 < netrunner> one question: assuming drock binary has same struckture as pure rock, what is the recommended procedure to install additional progs from the cd? (I just untared them to the root, but there should be setup scripts somewhere, hey?)
18:29 < d3mian> hi netrunner
18:30 < d3mian> pkg-install / /cdrom/rock-$arch-../base-pkgs/my-pack.tar.bz2
18:30 < netrunner> d3mian thx
18:34 < d3mian> see the rest of tools of pkg-xxxxx (like pkg-remove, and some others)
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18:35 < Mike1> re
18:36 < rolla> re
18:45 < esden> re hi all
18:45 < d3mian> hi esden
18:45 < esden> hi d3mian 
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18:50 < esden> hi rxr_ 
18:52 < d3mian> hi rene
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19:24 < armijn> re
19:24 < [anders]> re armijn
19:25 < [anders]> armijn: how's things?
19:26 < armijn> could be better of course
19:26 < armijn> I finally posted a patch for 1.5.19 so it builds on sparc64
19:27 < armijn> huebi will either apply it, or remove the code it fixed in the first place completely
19:27 < [anders]> armijn: hehe.. okay.. I should probably grab huebi's cvs and start applying it to the rock-gnome2 tree..
19:28 < th> armijn: btw. have you ever had sound working on krups?
19:28 < Mike1> [anders]: yes please do so
19:28 < Mike1> wb armijn
19:28 < th> hi Mike1
19:29 < Mike1> hi th :)
19:29 < [anders]> Mike1: I will do so.. it will be slow, and I will probably do a package at a time..
19:29 < Mike1> [anders]: yeah no worries
19:30 < [anders]> Mike1: had a look through the changes so far yet then?
19:31 < esden> re armijn 
19:31 < Mike1> ack
19:32 < [anders]> Mike1: bonobo-activation was starting to piss me off..
19:32 < Mike1> good thing it works now ( i hope )
19:32 < [anders]> I think I have it sussed now though. that .conf file _should_ take care of the silly index.sgml problem that has been breaking the build..
19:33 < Mike1> eggcelent
19:33 < Mike1> :)
19:33 < [anders]> well, not installing the non-existant file in the first place should be the proper solution..
19:33 < [anders]> I wonder why on earth they have that bit in the Makefiles when it clearly isn't working everywhere..
19:33 < Mike1> i am currently digging on uml stuff i wanna get uml subdist working and then add the uml target to 1.7
19:34 < Mike1> maybe because they are too lame to fix it?
19:35 < [anders]> might be the case.. and good luck with the UML stuff. before I unsubscribed to the UML dev-ml, there was mentioning on there about the UML maintenance console.. So I guess there is a stand-alone tool to manage the uml..
19:35 < [anders]> I think that was back around 2.4.7 or 2.4.8..
19:35 < Mike1> i guess so
19:36 < Mike1> btw that reminds me i must subscribe to the uml list :)
19:38 < [anders]> I will probably look at the 2.5 kernels using UML..
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19:40 < tcr> moin all
19:41 < Mike1> moin tcr
19:41 < Mike1> [anders]: yeah i will be needing some advices from you in the next days ( i am sure )
19:42 < [anders]> heh.. I'll have to take a look at the UML stuff then to refresh my memory..
19:42 < Mike1> yeah :)
19:44 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD9E4F49F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:44 < blindcoder> hi hi nud rehi
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19:57 < esden> re blindcoder 
20:01 < blindcoder> re esden
20:01 < blindcoder> esden: @home?
20:05 * Mike1 is away: having an amazing lunch :)
20:06 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B58ca.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
20:06 < owl> tag
20:06 < blindcoder> hi owly
20:06 < owl> tach blindy
20:06 < armijn> oh boy, it's owl again...
20:06 * armijn feels he has to hug
20:07 < armijn> can't...resist...hugging...
20:07 < owl> armijn: omg. it's armijn again! *hide*
20:07 < owl> hi armijn
20:07 < blindcoder> armijn: just do it :)
20:07 < owl> no!!!
20:07 < armijn> I....can't...CONTROL IT! AARGH!
20:07 < owl> armijn: ack. you are man. you can't control anything.
20:09 < armijn> hey
20:09 < armijn> I don't have to take that...
20:09 < armijn> it's true, I'm a man...
20:09 < armijn> and quite a nice one too :)
20:09 < owl> armijn: no men are nice.
20:10 < armijn> you don't know what you're missing
20:10 < owl> armijn: i know that i will miss nothing
20:10 < blindcoder> owl: so you want to say that I'm not nice?
20:11 < armijn> owl: how do you know?
20:11 < owl> blindcoder: you are man --> not nice
20:11 < owl> armijn: i just know it. it's the experience, you know
20:11 < blindcoder> owl: you, too, are man in the meaning of (hu)man
20:12 < owl> of human. yes. but i'm not male - and that's the point ;P
20:12 < armijn> owl: ever had a man?
20:12 < owl> armijn: maybe
20:12 < blindcoder> owl: like I said, I don't need to talk to you...
20:13 < owl> blindcoder: sorry. you know - i'm the evil master of cyn...
20:13 < blindcoder> damn it... my hard disk is defect...
20:13 < blindcoder> owl: then please do it somewhere else.
20:13 < owl> blindcoder: oh nice. what's wrong with your HD?
20:13 < armijn> owl: ok, that counts as a no
20:13 < blindcoder> bad sectors
20:14 < armijn> owl: so, how do you know?
20:14 < armijn> QED! HA!
20:14 < owl> armijn: i didn't say no
20:14 < armijn> :)
20:14 < armijn> owl: you said maybe...
20:14 < armijn> that counts as a no
20:14 < owl> uhm... my pc smells burned... dammit!
20:14 < rolla> Owl
20:14 < owl> hi rolla
20:15 < owl> armijn: then count it as "i don't wanna talk about personal stuff" ok?
20:15 < armijn> I'll take that as a no as well
20:17 < owl> armijn: no further comments
20:18 < armijn> heh :)
20:18 < owl> armijn: ;PPP
20:19 < owl> armijn: tomorrow i will get my sweet new notebook which i ordered. that's much better than men (human)
20:20 < esden> blindcoder: in wich packet is libGL ?
20:20 < owl> hi esden
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20:20 * tcr is listening to In Flames - Free Fall
20:20 < blindcoder> libGL??
20:20 < blindcoder> hmm...
20:20 < blindcoder> moment
20:20 < tcr> *!!!* *rock* *!!!*
20:21 < d3mian> xfree86 ?
20:21 < blindcoder> mesalib
20:21 < armijn> owl: so, you'll watch pr0n on it, right?
20:21 < d3mian> hi esden , owl , armijn , blindcoder , tcr
20:21 < tcr> sers
20:21 < blindcoder> hi d3mian
20:21 < owl> armijn: *lol* just irda/serial/ericsson pr0n ;PPP oh, sweeeeeeeet ericsson t39m. i wanna fsck with it ;PPP
20:21 < owl> hi d3mian
20:22 < armijn> owl: ehr...
20:22 < armijn> owl: wanna see my serial cable?
20:22 < owl> armijn: *lol* no
20:22 < armijn> no?
20:22 < owl> armijn: no. for sure - no
20:22 < armijn> tcr: In Flames?
20:23 < armijn> owl: you don't know what you're missing...
20:23 * armijn stops nagging
20:23 < tcr> armijn: yes, that song is the currently best one in my playlist!!! ;P
20:24 < armijn> tcr: I saw them life last friday
20:24 * armijn listens to Annihilator
20:24 < owl> armijn: do you have "alzheimer" ? you are repeating what you already said
20:25 < armijn> owl: no, I'm just persistent
20:25 < owl> armijn: s/persistent/annoying person *eg*
20:25 < tcr> armijn: yo. They were crossing germany as well. But didn't get tickets ...
20:26 < armijn> tcr: too bad
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20:26 < _NULL> *grml*
20:26 < tcr> what? they?
20:26 < armijn> owl: I'm not annoying
20:26 < armijn> tcr: you should have gotten tickets
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20:27 < owl> wtf ist that? it hates me!
20:27 < armijn> of course
20:27 < owl> armijn: hm?
20:28 < armijn> owl: of course it hates you
20:28 < owl> armijn: thx a lot.
20:28 < owl> now i feel much better. thx. for this compliment. can just come from a man
20:29 < blindcoder> owl: and such a sentence can only come from a female
20:29 < armijn> exactly.
20:29 < owl> blindcoder: nope.
20:29 < blindcoder> why don't you take your man-hating ambitions somewhere else?
20:29 < armijn> now, let's forget about it and just hug
20:29 < owl> blindcoder: hm? examples?
20:29 * armijn feels some tension between owl and blindcoder
20:29 < owl> armijn: no!
20:29 < blindcoder> well, usually I'd say to your friends in real-life
20:30 < armijn> could that be...attraction?
20:30 < owl> blindcoder: friends? *searching*
20:30 < blindcoder> armijn: definately: no
20:30 < blindcoder> owl: as I said... usually...
20:30 < armijn> owl: try google
20:30 < blindcoder> *LMAO*
20:30 < owl> blindcoder: ok. wait. fear owl on wednesday in train...
20:31 < blindcoder> owl: why would you talk to a _man_?
20:31 < owl> blindcoder: to tell him, how shitty men are
20:31 < blindcoder> they never say something useful anyway, do they?
20:32 < blindcoder> see? And I don't need that
20:32 < owl> blindcoder: pah.
20:32 < armijn> hehe
20:32 < armijn> you'd make a nice couple >:->
20:32 < blindcoder> I don't have to let someone with no friends in real-life tell me how "shitty" _I_ am
20:32 < owl> armijn!!
20:32 < d3mian> sure!
20:32 * armijn grins
20:33 < owl> blindcoder: why should i have friends? for what?
20:33 < blindcoder> owl: exactly that is it, why I don't know, why I should talk to you when a friend of mine sits on the same waggon
20:34 < owl> blindcoder: tja
20:36 < armijn> heheh
20:37 < d3mian> the destine points owl and blindcoder to a nice future together..
20:37 < d3mian> ;-)
20:37 < blindcoder> I don't even want to imagine how that would look like...
20:38 < d3mian> cya!
20:38 < owl> d3mian: don't talk  such stuff!
20:38 * d3mian away eating
20:39 < armijn> hehehehe
20:39 < armijn> owl: deep inside you know that's what you want to
20:40 < esden> humm ... 
20:41 < owl> esden: help me, please!
20:41 < blindcoder> esden: my question... see private window
20:41 < esden> yo
20:41 < esden> hi owl 
20:41 < owl> hi esden.
20:41 * -> esden is hearing radiostacja ;-) *jumparound*
20:42 < esden> does someone have a realplayar plugin for winamp ? ;-)
20:43 < armijn> ok, I'm going home
20:43 < owl> bye armijn
20:43 < armijn> but, first hug owl!
20:43 * armijn hugs owl
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20:44 < blindcoder> esden: take mplayer
20:45 < blindcoder> it can play .rm s when given the realplayer librarys
20:45 < esden> does he play the realplayer stream ?
20:46 < esden> but this is .ram
20:48 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:42:28)
20:48 < Mike1> re
20:48 < esden> re Mike1 
20:48 < d3mian> re Mike1
20:48 < owl> re Mike1
20:49 < Mike1> owly!
20:49 < Mike1> i've heard some stuff about you and blindy getting together...
20:49 < d3mian> esden: does winamp plays videos too ?
20:49 < owl> Mike1: no!
20:50 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B62A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:50 < esden> d3mian: not that I knew ... but perhups there is a plugin ... dont know
20:50 < esden> hi tsa 
20:50 < tsa> re
20:50 < d3mian> k
20:50 < Mike1> hi tsa
20:50 < owl> tag tsa
20:50 < tsa> hi owolita
20:50 < tsa> hola Mike1
20:50 < Mike1> owly but armijn said that you and blindy ...
20:50 < owl> Mike1: he was just kidding
20:50 < tsa> hehe
20:50 < d3mian> dunt think so
20:51 < owl> d3mian: !!!!!!
20:51 < Mike1> owly ok if you say so
20:51 * Mike1 hugs owl
20:51 < owl> *grml*
20:51 < owl> not again"
20:52 < d3mian> does any of u know a cool translator?
20:52 < d3mian> not in da www!
20:52 * Mike1 hugs owly again
20:52 < owl> www.translate.ru
20:52 < owl> hmmm...
20:52 < Mike1> d3bian babel.altavista.com
20:52 < d3mian> not in da www!
20:52 < tsa> "Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind.." (Terry Pratchett)
20:53 < Mike1> d3mian: babel
20:54 < blindcoder> "Have you seen all that exclamation marks? Sure sign of someone wearing his panties on his head..." (also Terry Pratchett) :)
20:58 < esden> loool
20:59 < esden> hmm ... too many o's ... :-/
20:59 < esden> so I am also evil ... 
20:59 < blindcoder> nothing new there
20:59 < Mike1> eevil eesdeen
20:59 < esden> but I do not want to be ill like her !!
20:59 < tcr> esden: lol+++++++ is much agreeable ;)
21:00 < tsa> ++lol
21:00 < tsa> ;)
21:00 < tcr> much more
21:00 < esden> tcr: yes that is better ;-)
21:00 < esden> lol------
21:00 < esden> ;-)
21:00 < tsa> hm..
21:00 < Mike1> lol <-----------
21:00 < esden> l o l <-- explodes 
21:00 < blindcoder> while [ /bin/true ]; do echo '*lol*'; done
21:00 < owl> +++AT&lol
21:00 < tcr> blindcoder: argh!!!
21:01 < tsa> blindcoder: /exec -o ....
21:01 < tcr> blindcoder: bad scripting style
21:01 < tsa> ;)
21:01 < esden> ^M+++^MAT+lol
21:01 < tcr> very bad!
21:01 < esden> ^M+++^MAT+COPT=0,0,lol
21:01 < blindcoder> tcr: well, I use these constructs for movnig several files to a common basename plus number
21:02 < tcr> first [ /bin/true ] is nonsense, just use /bin/true ... but the best solution would be: while :; do echo '*lol*'; done
21:02 < tcr> this wouldn't do any fork!!
21:03 < esden> yes is faster ...
21:03 < blindcoder> hmm... sounds good...
21:03 * -> esden optimizing his *lol* flooder
21:03 < blindcoder> hhe
21:04 < esden> hmm .. perhups I should write it in assembler ...
21:04 < d3mian> perl -e '1 while print "hola\n"'
21:04 < tsa> anyone still using a modem?
21:04 < tcr> eeeeeeeeew perl
21:04 * -> esden when he is in poland
21:04 < tcr> go away, you'r bannished from now
21:04 < blindcoder> damn it... I'm at home for one and a half hour now and have to go to bed to be fit for work tomorrow >_<
21:04 < d3mian> :p
21:05 * blindcoder using a DSL-Modem...
21:06 < esden> woot++++++ the api for framebuffer seems to become ... beautifull
21:06 < esden> hmm ... I want it I want it ... 
21:06 < esden> *jumparound*
21:06 < blindcoder> esden: eeeeaaaasy
21:06 < esden> blindcoder: :P
21:07 * blindcoder glueing esdens tonge to the floor
21:08 < tcr> esden: i really lack on good docus about it ... neve found one
21:08 < tcr> +r
21:08 < esden> blllolplopllaala
21:08 < esden> tcr: hmm ... but what they are currently talking about the cursor api sounds beautifull
21:09 < blindcoder> hehe, there's nothing you can't solve with a good adhesive :D
21:09 * netrunner hat gerade "i(){ i;i;} ;i" ausprobiert. sehr lustige methode mozilla zu beenden ;)
21:09 < blindcoder> wieso mozilla?
21:09 < esden> rekursive bombe ?
21:09 < tcr> netrunner: :(){ :|:&};:
21:10 < esden> stack overflow produziert es oder wie ?
21:10 * Mike1 is away: working on UML
21:10 < tcr> out of memory *hrhrh*
21:10 < netrunner> blindcoder: na als die bash den mozilla mit 27MB Speicher ueberholt hatte ist er abgestuerzt ;)
21:10 < blindcoder> *lol*
21:10 < tcr> eigentlich müsse da der OOM greifen und die bash killen
21:10 < esden> loool
21:11 < tcr> tsts esden
21:11 < esden> hrm ... once again a o too much >_<
21:11 < esden> grr
21:11 < esden> no two
21:11 < tcr> tsts esden
21:11 * -> esden is really ashamed
21:11 < owl> esden: ???
21:12 < esden> owl: you will not understand this ...
21:12 < tcr> owl: for women: he's indicating himself as idiot again... ;P
21:13 < owl> tcr: *g*
21:14 < tcr> okay, watching to MM now
21:14 < tcr> cu
21:15 < owl> bye tcr
21:15 < esden> tcr: thanks ... ;-/
21:15 < esden> cu tcr 
21:16 < blindcoder> *argh*... burning with 4x is so damn sloooooow
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21:17 < martin_> abend
21:18 < blindcoder> hi
21:19 < owl> tach martin_
21:19 < d3mian> hi martin_
21:19 < d3mian> cya all
21:19 < martin_> hi blindcoder, hi owl, hi d3mian
21:19 * d3mian away "meeting"
21:19 < martin_> is rxr back? :)
21:27 < esden> hi martin_ 
21:29 < martin_> hi esden
21:45 < esden> ok I go hom
21:45 < esden> e
21:45 < esden> cu all
21:46 < owl> cu esden
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21:49 < martin_> cu esden
21:51 < owl> gn8. cu
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21:52 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:42:04)
21:53 < rolla> UML ?
22:01 < Mike1> User Mode Linux
22:02 -!- d3mian is now known as p3yote
22:02 -!- p3yote is now known as d3mian
22:02 < Mike1> toda p3yote :P
22:04 < d3mian> k ride
22:04 < d3mian> cya, it's late
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22:26 < tsa> http://www.alledegodenavnevaroptaget.dk/gallery/imagepages/iflifewerelikeirc.html
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22:38 < Mike1> hi thalerim Krylathon
22:41 < Krylathon> ;P
22:41 < Mike1> also hi tcr
22:41 < Krylathon> in last time I get regularely such connection resets, I dunno why
22:42 < Mike1> kill the ghosts :)
22:42 < Krylathon> no time, writing news about the bitching RMS post to the LKML about the new license changes of bitkeeper
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22:47 < Mike1> one is gone :)
22:52 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49874.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22:53 -!- Krylathon is now known as tcr
22:53 < tcr> gone ... forever... ever
22:55 < Mike1> so no ghosts now :)
22:59 * Freak misses the stinky bavarian girl :)
22:59 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@pD90230D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:00 < Mike1> Freak: you mean owly?
23:01 < Mike1> i thought she was freaking you out
23:07 < Freak> well yea.. so what?
23:09 < Mike1> nothing :)
23:14 * Mike1 is away: working on 8086 boot - root disks
23:21 < rolla> > patching file versions/html3_2.pl
23:22 * [anders] is updating the vmware install from the latest build..
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23:24 < d3mian> re
23:39 < martin_> hmm, gn8
23:40 < Mike1> re mian :)
23:41 < tcr> cu ladies
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