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--- Log opened Wed Oct 23 00:00:05 2002
--- Day changed Wed Oct 23 2002
00:05 < Freak> look, I can spam you as well now
00:06 * Freak entertaining his ears with Dream Theatre                  - The Ytse Jam                  
00:06 < Freak> ain't it sweet?
00:26 * ripclaw is back
00:26 < tsa> hi ripclaw
00:26 < ripclaw> suppose its time to catch some sleep...
00:26 < tsa> hehe
00:27 < ripclaw> hi tsa.
00:27 < tsa> indeed.
00:27 < ripclaw> komm, put put put....
00:27 < tsa> und, klappt's?
00:27 < Mike1> re rippy
00:27 * ripclaw waits in cover for sleep to come close, and twack it over the head with a scsi disk.
00:27 < ripclaw> he mike.
00:28 < ripclaw> tsa, mike im dead tired... ouch. download broke off.
00:28 < tsa> ripclaw: better get yourself some sleep, then.
00:28 < ripclaw> btw - tsa, the archive from lxtag was great. do you have more of the "in den staub, nichtswuerdiger" stuff ?
00:28 < tsa> sataan?
00:29 < ripclaw> tsa - i tried, they are not selling at the gas station.
00:29 < tsa> afaik there's only this one CD available.
00:29 < ripclaw> tsa - yeah schrammelvaddi, into the dust.
00:29 < ripclaw> they had a few more tracks on einslive.de but i cannot dl from wrk.
00:29 < tsa> ah, i see.
00:30 < ripclaw> tsa - you said ur tired a while ago, should we try hunting the beast at the same time ?
00:30 < tsa> anyway, the mp3 archive will of course be available for rock developers at 19c3 for integration into the rock build process.
00:30 * ripclaw downloading 1.7 for compile
00:30 < tsa> ripclaw: sounds like a good idea.
00:30 < tsa> cu all, then.
00:30 < ripclaw> tsa - great, i will love integrating a few beer, too...
00:30 < tsa> ripclaw: ack.
00:31 < ripclaw> and making them limes(0)
00:31 < tsa> ...good night, all
00:31 < ripclaw> nite tsa, n8 everyone
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00:31 < Mike1> leaving too Stefan?
00:31 < ripclaw> nite mike, sorry, but its already past midnite here, and i gotta work in 5.5 hrs
00:31 < ripclaw> yes
00:32 < Mike1> rippy its ok have a great n8
00:32 < Mike1> talk to you later
00:32 * Mike1 is going looking for a new bike now
00:32 < ripclaw> ttl mike. will try getting back in here on weekend.
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00:32 < ripclaw> mike look for the new cbr600 or e.g. the aprilia tuono :)
00:32 < ripclaw> n8
00:33 < Mike1> gutte nacht
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00:37 < Freak> gn8 guys
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01:15 < esden> hi all
01:15 < esden> hmm all sleeping ?
01:15 < esden> :P
01:19 < ringo> nope
01:19 < ringo> doing soething with perl...
01:21 < ringo> or something like th@
01:21 < th> hmm?
01:21 < th> grmpf
01:23 < esden> ohh hi ringo 
01:23 < esden> hi th
01:23 * -> esden waiting for fake ... ;-)
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01:38 < ringo> Ok perling on ...
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02:06 < paperclip> can i cross compile a whole system with diet-libc?
02:07 < paperclip> seems like just the ticket for rolling an embeded distro..
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05:39 < d3mian> re
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08:43 < blindWorker> moin
08:45 < d3mian> hi blindWorker , Ge0rG
08:50 < blindWorker> hi d3mian
09:03 < d3mian> cya
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10:11 < blindcoder> hi hi und rehi
10:37 < aszlig> hullo blindcoder
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10:51 < aszlig> re
11:08 < blindcoder> hush
11:08 < blindcoder> transconnect herrscht
11:09 < blindcoder> okay, bin dann mal wieder away
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12:15 < snyke> sry
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12:36 < tsa> hi all.
12:36 < blindcoder> hi tsa
12:36 < tsa> hi blindcoder
12:36 * tsa is happy.-
12:36 * blindcoder currently insreting some perverted things in glibc22.conf
12:36 < tsa> the recommendation for ctwm was really good.
12:36 < tsa> hehe
12:36 < blindcoder> tsa> why?
12:37 < blindcoder> ctwm? a window manager?
12:37 < tsa> blindcoder: we're using RH at work, and we had our workstations reinstalled yesterday with RH8
12:37 < blindcoder> tsa: for cross-compiling to a 64 bit-architecture from 32bit gcc has some hardcoded pathnames
12:37 < blindcoder> I need to create these paths (symlinks) but hide them from flish
12:37 < blindcoder> tsa: sweet, and? does it work fine?
12:37 < tsa> unfortunately, RH8 comes with gnome2 by default, which is pretty bloated and slow..
12:38 < blindcoder> *urks*
12:38 < tsa> blindcoder: yes....i've dropped all my old gnome{1,2} stuff
12:38 < blindcoder> hehe and switched to ctwm?
12:38 < tsa> ctwm now looks like twm, except having multiple desktops...
12:38 < tsa> yes..
12:39 < blindcoder> hmm... i honestly don't like twm...
12:39 < tsa> hehe
12:39 < tsa> twm rulez ;-)
12:40 < blindcoder> i just switched back to window maker
12:40 * tsa doesn't like wmaker.. ;)
12:40 < blindcoder> with icewm my apps complain about not being able to allocate colortables
12:41 * blindcoder hopes that flist now doesn't find the symlink he created
12:41 < tsa> hehe
12:42 < blindcoder> I need to create /usr/lib64 (that's right, not $root/usr/lib64) because of that sick gcc
12:42 < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should try egc
12:42 < blindcoder> s
13:38 < tsa> *gaehn*
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14:19 < tcr> moin all
14:19 < esden> hi all
14:19 < esden> hi tcr 
14:19 < tcr> sers esden
14:25 < blindcod1r> hi hi and rehi
14:25 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder
14:25 < blindcoder> hmmm *sw33t*
14:25 < blindcoder> there's n easier way than to trick flist_wrapper.so
14:26 < blindcoder> use the find-method...
14:26 < blindcoder> it doesn't detect if files are created outside $root
14:26 < blindcoder> *sw33t*
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14:26 < blindcoder> oh and btw.: transconnect herrscht :D
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14:28 < esden> blindcoder: you can select in the ./scripts/Config to use find instead the flist_wrapper.so ...
14:28 < esden> re rxr 
14:28 < blindcoder> esden: I know, i found out by reading Build-Pkg
14:28 < blindcoder> and I need find to be able to cross-compileusing gcc
14:29 < blindcoder> cause I need to create /usr/lib64 (a symlink( and flist_wrapper complains about a file being created outside $root
14:31 < esden> blindcoder: you know that it is a really _NASTY_ hack the symlink
14:32 < esden> I even think that the redhat patch is a cleaner solution ... ;-)
14:32 < blindcoder> yes I do, but I tried modifying gcc's specs file with no use and ppatching gcc.... aehm....
14:32 < blindcoder> esden: it does not WORK, taht's the problem
14:32 < esden> urgh
14:33 < esden> get the sources of redhat glibc ...
14:33 < fake> aloha
14:33 < blindcoder> I've tried until 12 PM by modifying gcc's specs file (that's what the patch does, too, but not as much) by hand and removed ALL references to lib64 and it STILL wanted to access it
14:33 < tcr> please care someone about updating sed to 4.0 (in both, 1.5 and 1.7), because this version merged a lot of the features and perfomance improving of Super-Sed. Please do it immediately (i'm out of time, otherwise i'd do it)
14:33 < blindcoder> hi fake
14:33 * blindcoder telephone
14:33 < esden> blindcoder: ok ... gcc and glibc sux ... I know that ...
14:33 < esden> fake: hihi
14:34 < fake> blindcoder: why are there files created in /usr/lib64, anyways?
14:34 < fake> and what files?
14:34 < tcr> rocklinux makes a lot use of sed, so this update will, hopefully, increase the speed of it, too. :)
14:34 < fake> at least the make install should hnor $root
14:35 < fake> s,hnor,honor,
14:35 < esden> argh argh ... here are only lamers and loosers in this university >_<
14:35 < esden> I want to kill someone
14:35 < fake> esden: are you wearing your "Ia am with lame" T-Shirt ?
14:35 < fake> -a
14:35 < esden> not yet ... 
14:36 * -> esden getting a big pen and writing "I am with lame" on his T-Shirt
14:36 < esden> grr
14:36 < fake> esden: now you are camouflaged
14:36 < esden> *gg*
14:37 * -> esden hacking colorizer 
14:37 < fake> sweet
14:37 < fake> i had a nice idea i want to implement tonight
14:38 < esden> aha ?
14:38 < esden> so I should leave it ?
14:38 < fake> no no
14:39 < fake> something completely different(tm)
14:39 < fake> will you be @bitz again tonight?
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14:41 < esden> no ... sadly not
14:41 < esden> I will be back in IN on friday 
14:42 < fake> ah, you told me that
14:42 < fake> well, then i'll just implement it *g*
14:47 < esden> what is ist ... can you explain it in some words ?
14:47 < esden> you can use german for it ... or english ... or polish as you like ;-)
14:47 < fake> postadingsda!
14:47 < fake> *g*
14:48 < fake> inter-session messaging
14:50 < blindcoder> fake: I can ojnly create this symlink from within glibc22.conf
14:51 < fake> blindcoder: _what files_ does flist complain about?
14:51 < blindcoder> and then flist_wrapper kicks in
14:51 < blindcoder> /usr/lib64
14:51 < blindcoder> this file
14:51 < fake> _files_
14:51 < fake> it does not put a single file in there?
14:51 < blindcoder> it does not create the files there, just expect them to be there
14:52 < fake> then flist would not complain.
14:52 < blindcoder> they are in $build/glibc-2.2.5/csu
14:52 < fake> only _created_ files are mentioned
14:52 < blindcoder> yes it does, because glibc.conf creates the symlink /usr/lib64 -> $build/glibc-2.2.5/csu
14:52 * -> esden fixed the indention in the colorSimplifier >_<
14:53 < blindcoder> I can't create it ANYWHERE else
14:53 < fake> the symlink is created inside $root
14:53 < tsa> bbl
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14:53 < fake> so it is not a new file
14:53 < esden> fake: what do you want to message between sessions ?
14:53 < fake> err, a file outside $root
14:53 < blindcoder> fake: no, not inside root... I'm talking about /usr/lib64 not about $root/usr/lib64
14:53 < fake> esden: somehow. i'll try if it works
14:54 < esden> what not how ? ;-)
14:54 < blindcoder> fake: restart... gcc expects files in /usr/lib64
14:54 < fake> blindcoder: could you please please just post the line flistwrapper complains in?
14:54 < blindcoder> hmm... let me see if it is still in the screen-buffer
14:54 < blindcoder> brb
14:55 < esden> fake I will now fix all the indention in the files ... because this forte indention is going on my nerves terribly
14:55 < fake> i drive back to the firm - nothing to do @ sun
14:55 < fake> esden: please don#t commit any other changes with that commit
14:55 < fake> the diff will be horrible ;)
14:55 < fake> blindcoder: i'll come back in 30 minutes or so
14:56 < fake> until then, good luck ;)
14:56 < blindcoder> Created file outside basedir: /usr/lib64
14:57 < blindcoder> and the line in the code is this:
14:58 < esden> fake: hmm ... ok ...
14:58 < blindcoder> ln -sf $builddir/glibc-2.2.5/csu /usr/lib64
14:59 < blindcoder> Hmm... I don't think he will get it if I don't explain it to him in person...
15:03 < blindcoder> okay, I'll be back at around 15:30... maybe :)
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15:19 < esden> ok 
15:19 * -> esden -> lecture
15:19 < esden> cu l8er
15:25 * blindcoder back on deck :)
15:29 < esden> re
15:29 < esden> grr
15:29 < esden> the room is full
15:29 < esden> really fool
15:29 < esden> everybody is standing >_<
15:30 < blindcoder> oh
15:30 < blindcoder> must be an interesting lecture then :)
15:30 < esden> datenbanken zentraluebung
15:31 < esden> aber ich werde es mir nicht antun wenn ich die ganze zeit stehen soll >_<
15:31 < blindcoder> okay, it _is_ interesting
15:32 < blindcoder> hehe
15:33 < rolla> re
15:34 < blindcoder> re rolla
15:34 < blindcoder> esden hock dich auf den schoss von ner huebschen blondine :D
15:35 < blindcoder> brb
15:43 < esden> ja gute idee
15:43 < esden> aber hier im rechner raum ist es auch angenehm ;-)
15:45 < blindcoder> *jump* *jump* *happy* *smile* *jump*
15:48 < blindcoder> I'll get my linux-workstation tomorrow *jump*
16:04 < rolla> cool
16:04 < blindcoder> finally I get rid of colorless terminals
16:04 < blindcoder> not-quite-flawless-working window-managers
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16:06 * paperclip is back (gone 12:45:44)
16:08 < esden> ok ... first indention correction commit done ... now bit more productive stuff ;-)
16:13 < rolla> damn mirror
16:15 < blindcoder> re paperclip
16:15 < esden> o_O
16:15 < esden> clippy ??
16:15 < esden> where ?
16:15 < esden> ahh there
16:15 < blindcoder> *lol*
16:16 * blindcoder feels like killing a co-worker of him
16:16 < blindcoder> that idiot just shuts down the linux box I'm getting all my terminals from *argh*
16:16 < rolla> go kick him
16:17 < blindcoder> nah, just slapped him for killing 190 days of uptime
16:17 < blindcoder> AND HE DIDN'T EVEN HAD TO REBOOT IT
16:17 < blindcoder> Windows-Dummy *grmpf*
16:17 < rolla> ;)
16:17 < blindcoder> "ah, I can't log in, let's reboot this box"
16:18 < blindcoder> after reboot:"I still can't log in, ah well, I'll have this box reinstalled tomorrow"
16:18 < blindcoder> then I approach him: "Let me log in" *clickety-click* "See, it's not the box, it's your profile"
16:19 < blindcoder> "AAH! Can't be, it works just fine with Solaris"
16:19 < blindcoder> *ARRGGH*
16:20 < esden> blindcoder: you definitly need a nervgun !!!
16:21 < blindcoder> yes... I think I'll buy one right before 19C3 :D
16:24 < Ge0rG> users shouldn't be allowed physical contact to important machines anyway :)
16:25 < rolla> true
16:25 < rolla> they need to be in a locked room
16:27 < esden> without windows and any connection to the outer world ;-)
16:28 < rolla> that is expected ;)
16:29 < Ge0rG> hey, having a box connected to the net is still secure enough if you are protecting it against windows users ;)
16:31 < esden> woot woot it works ... jumparound
16:35 < paperclip> hello.. =)
16:37 < paperclip> i'd like to try rocklinux.. which version should i get?
16:40 * paperclip goes to find a forum/ml
16:43 < paperclip> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/pjotr/guide.download/ROCK-GUIDE-2.0pre2.pdf <- looks good
16:46 < paperclip> hmm.. under section 2.2 ROCK is Different.. there needs to be "ROCK is a four letter word"
16:51 < blindcoder> glibc BUILDS! glibc BUILDS!
16:51 < blindcoder> but now I need to create a symlink whenever cross-compiling a package...
16:52 < blindcoder> I need a somewhat cleaner (not clean) solution for that
16:55 < blindcoder> feierabend!!!
16:55 < blindcoder> bye bye
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16:55 < armijn> re
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17:00 < rolla> Mike2
17:00 < Mike1> rolla
17:00 < Mike1> moin all
17:01 < esden> cu blindcoder 
17:02 < armijn> well...
17:06 < paperclip> I'm looking for something that will enable me to build an embeded linux system..
17:06 < Mike1> paperclip: enable you?
17:06 < paperclip> rock does this with the target script..
17:07 < paperclip> Mike1: provide the tools..
17:07 < Mike1> ah
17:07 < paperclip> or at least a framework..
17:07 < paperclip> Mike1: it's really "make able"..
17:08 < esden> ok ... cu guys I go home 
17:08 < Mike1> cu esdy
17:08 * Mike1 is away: working
17:08 < paperclip> I see references to building router distros.. so it must be possible, eh?
17:10 < paperclip> i'd like to build a small linux system with diet-libc
17:10 < paperclip> then compress it with cramfs
17:11 < paperclip> and run from a flashdisk
17:12 < Mike1> paperclip: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/ripclaw/projects/software/smallsys/
17:12 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:03:29)
17:12 < paperclip> thanks
17:12 < Mike1> also check on the dietlibc target on rock 1.7
17:13 < paperclip> ok..
17:13 < armijn> oh and you've got to have nerves as well :)
17:14 < paperclip> do you know off hand if X works with dietlibc?
17:14 < Mike1> paperclip: also feel free to drop an email to the rock linux mailing list
17:14 < paperclip> ok..
17:14 < Mike1> paperclip: i have honestly not worked around dietlibc stuff yet but perhaps esden may help you
17:14 < paperclip> my inital target is -> https://www.msncompanion.com/
17:15 < paperclip> the compaq IA-1
17:16 < Mike1> nice
17:16 < armijn> heh, I googled...
17:16 < Mike1> what ideas do you have?
17:16 < paperclip> I've actually got a fairly nice linux on one now.. built with midori linux..
17:16 < Mike1> armijn: ?
17:16 < armijn> seems there was a discussion about X and dietlibc here 8 days ago ;)
17:16 < armijn> between esden and tsa...
17:16 < armijn> about the same stuff
17:16 < paperclip> but midori is no longer maintained..
17:16 < paperclip> and it would be a *load* of work for one man to keep up to date..
17:17 < Mike1> paperclip: yeah the guys from transmeta are no working to much on it anymore
17:17 < Mike1> armijn: do you have experience with dietlibc btw?
17:17 < armijn> mike1: nope
17:17 * Mike1 needs esden and tsa
17:17 < armijn> grrrr....CVSup taking long :(
17:18 < Mike1> armijn: status of the work on sparc32?
17:18 < armijn> *sigh* long story
17:19 < armijn> I wanted to work on it, but a server here crashed severely
17:19 < armijn> as in, disk in a RAID5 controller broken
17:19 < Mike1> armijn: mm... so no time to work ir as well?
17:19 < armijn> should not be a problem, but the firmware didn't like it
17:19 < armijn> had to upgrade the firmware and now Windows is complaining about an "invalid boot device"
17:19 < Mike1> armijn: hehe i had a similar problem here with a dell box
17:19 < armijn> yes, it's a windows server...and it's a dell as well
17:20 < armijn> a poweredge perhaps?
17:20 < Mike1> yes
17:20 < armijn> poweredge 2300?
17:20 < Mike1> did it fail trying to update from NT to 2000 by any chance?
17:20 < Mike1> armijn: yes poweredge 2300 damn :(
17:20 < armijn> ehr no, I rebooted it after a change of IP address...
17:20 < armijn> heheheh
17:20 < armijn> and it didn't want to come back up
17:21 < armijn> so I brought a Gentoo Linux CD with me, I can access the data now
17:21 < Mike1> armijn: actually i still have not been able to bring it back on line
17:21 < armijn> gonna back it up on a FreeBSD box
17:21 < armijn> mike1: you did upgrade the firmware?
17:21 < Mike1> armijn: yes i have access to the files boot the kernel fails when booting normally
17:21 < Mike1> armijn: yes i did
17:22 < armijn> running w2k?
17:22 < Mike1> it was NT and they tried to update to w2k
17:22 < Mike1> but the fscked it all up
17:22 < armijn> heheh
17:22 < armijn> evil
17:22 < Mike1> they fisrt updated the raid controlers
17:23 < Mike1> and demaged it very badly
17:23 < armijn> whoops :)
17:23 < armijn> physically??
17:23 < Mike1> somehow i made it to fix it and bring it back (still under NT)
17:23 < Mike1> no not physically
17:23 < Mike1> :P
17:23 < paperclip> sorry.. phone call
17:24 < armijn> paperclip: hey! no way! you should stay here on IRC!
17:24 < Mike1> after 2 hours of my heroic fix they started the update to w2k
17:24 < paperclip> my dad is in Paris.. and he's maybe a bit tipsy..
17:24 < Mike1> 30 minutes later boom demaged again
17:24 < armijn> ah well, that happens when you go to paris
17:24 < armijn> even though it's pretty expensive to become drunk in paris...
17:24 < Mike1> armijn: anyways if it doesnt get fixed soon i will personally demage physically that box i swaer :)
17:25 < armijn> well...probably London is more expensive
17:25 < paperclip> well.. i'm having coffee.. so.. i'm like trying to get to the point and he's rambling =)
17:25 < armijn> mike1: well, first strip the box of useful stuff :)
17:25 < Mike1> armijn: ack
17:25 < Mike1> :)
17:26 < armijn> paperclip; ah well, that must be the french influence :)
17:26 < paperclip> heh.. i hope he keeps bathing..
17:26 < armijn> well, luckily I'm not french ;-)
17:26 * Mike1 wonders when owl will come back... we need a hug party
17:27 < armijn> mike1: ahh, falling in love with owl?
17:27 < armijn> owl's not french either
17:27 < Mike1> armijn: nope not all just like to bug around
17:27 < Mike1> besides she belongs to blindcoder as i have heard
17:28 * paperclip is pure gringo
17:28 < Mike1> armijn: some friends of mine went on a visit to france for 2 months, they got arrested to taking showers everyday ...
17:28 < Mike1> s/to/for
17:29 < armijn> hmm, gringo...can you eat that?
17:29 < paperclip> tastes like chicken..
17:29 < armijn> heh...
17:29 < Mike1> paperclip: where in gringoland are you ?
17:29 < paperclip> New Orleans, LA
17:30 * Mike1 on the phone
17:30 < armijn> actually, it is said that human flesh tastes more like, ehr...young cow stuff...
17:30 < paperclip> you are in Croatia?
17:30 < armijn> cr == costa rica
17:30 < paperclip> oh..
17:30 < armijn> croatia is hr
17:30 < paperclip> puro gringo.. con sabor pollo
17:31 < paperclip> ah.. yeah.. helvtic republic or something like that..
17:31 < armijn> no :)
17:31 < armijn> I don't think so
17:32 < armijn> if you refer to "helvetica", that's switzerland
17:32 * Mike1 listens quite to armijn's geography lessons...
17:32 < armijn> heh, know quite some stuff, even though I hardly leave .nl ;-)
17:32 < paperclip> hm...
17:32 < paperclip> hungary
17:33 < paperclip> why is croatia .hr then?
17:33 * Mike1 invites armijn to spend his next vacation in cr
17:33 < paperclip> i'd like to go there..
17:33 < armijn> I never mentioned hungary :)
17:33 < paperclip> i was guessing..
17:33 < armijn> hungary is .hu
17:34 < paperclip> yeah.. smarty pants.. but why is croatia .hr
17:34 < armijn> hehe, I wouldn't know...
17:34 * paperclip starts wondering if croatia is .hr
17:34 < armijn> hmm...isn't croatia called hrstca or so?
17:35 < armijn> no
17:35 < armijn> hrvatski
17:35 < armijn> www.hr
17:35 < armijn> :)
17:35 < paperclip> oh..
17:35 < Mike1> armijn: can you pronounce hrvatski?
17:36 < armijn> mike1: nope
17:36 < rolla> ;)
17:36 < Mike1> :P
17:36 < paperclip> looks like a nice place..
17:36 < Mike1> as long as they dont ask me to pronounce the name of the country i will be fine :)
17:36 < armijn> dunno, was a warzone about 10 years ago, so
17:38 < paperclip> yeah.. i'm sure there all sorts of unspent munitions..
17:38 < armijn> sigh...CVSup still running :(
17:42 < Mike1> armijn: wow what kind of conection you got? 33k dialup?
17:42 < paperclip> ok.. well.. i'm going to install rock.. which version?
17:44 < armijn> 10 Mbps
17:46 < Mike1> armijn: weird
17:47 < armijn> it's a CVS checkout thing...
17:47 < armijn> and it's quite a lot, so
17:48 < armijn> and probably the CVSup server is quite busy
17:54 * Mike1 is away: fighting with dell poweredge 2400
17:54 * armijn is gone: fighting with a dell poweredge 2300
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18:39 * paperclip is away: lunch
18:41 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:47:26)
19:17 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B53c7.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
19:17 < owl> seid gegruesst
19:17 < capchaos> hi owl *hug*
19:17 * Mike1 hugs owly
19:17 < owl> *AAAAAAAAAARGH*
19:17 < capchaos> ;)
19:18 < owl> hi capchaos, Mike1
19:18 < Mike1> bitte me bitte me
19:18 < Mike1> bite*
19:19 * owl is going to kill her dentist *whining*
19:20 < owl> how much HD-space will i need for a complete 1.7 build?
19:20 < owl> and how many days (on a amd k6-II 500 mhz, 384 mb ram )
19:36 < fake> re.
19:36 < fake> ...
19:36 < fake> re.
19:36 < Mike1> re
19:36 < Mike1> @ fake :)
19:36 < owl> moin fake
19:37 < fake> hi
19:37 < fake>  19:37:28 up 156 days, 19:57
19:38 < Mike1> fake: owl is having trouble getting to work also on her box with an intel 8x0 soundchip can you help her?
19:38 < blindcoder> hi hi und rehi
19:38 < Mike1> nice uptime
19:39 < owl> moin blindcoder
19:40 < fake> Mike1: not with alsa
19:40 < blindcoder> moint owly
19:40 < blindcoder> -t
19:40 < Mike1> fake: ok
19:41 < owl> is someone running alsa && using rock-1.5.19?
19:41 < blindcoder> nope, no alsa
19:41 < blindcoder> but I don't think you need also for intel 8x0
19:41 < owl> :-/ did someone _test_ alsa before releasing 1.5.19?
19:42 < owl> blindcoder: we don't talk about what we need... we 're talking about what isn't working correct.
19:42 < blindcoder> 1.5.19 isn't considered stable...
19:42 < fake> owl: why didn't _you_ test it?
19:42 < blindcoder> and maybe it _did_ work, but not with that card...
19:43 < blindcoder> nobody tested it ith THAT card
19:43 < blindcoder> and why do you WANT alsa when you don't NEED it
19:43 < owl> fake: what do you think what i'm trying to do? i will install rock now on my second notebook and have a look if alsa wors there...
19:43 < blindcoder> fake: --mulitlib-dir isn't in the man page or the --help but it definitely exists... *ARGH*
19:43 < fake> because it has more nifty features ;)
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19:44 < Mike1> @ Stephen :)
19:44 * fake is going for the shower
19:44 < litost> what's up Miguel!!
19:44 < fake> cu later
19:44 < blindcoder> have fun
19:44 < owl> bye fake
19:49 * blindcoder now checking binutils and gcc for weird and/or crazy hardcoded directories...
19:53 < blindcoder> okay... I'm quite sure that it is not binutils
19:55 < capchaos> does anyone know how one can find/decrypt a user's current passwd while logged in ?
19:56 < capchaos> (shadow)
19:56 < blindcoder> the password of the user logged in or anyones?
19:57 < aszlig> capchaos: if the one writes a little su/sudo, or better bash/zsh replacement
19:57 < capchaos> blindcoder: of the user logged in
19:58 < blindcoder> you can edit his .bashrc to bring up a little program you wrote that simulates wrong password typed-behviour and then e-mails you what password he typed in ;)
19:58 < aszlig> capchaos: or if the attacker has root-access
19:58 < capchaos> blindcoder: no trojaner ;)
19:58 < aszlig> capchaos: it is possible to get the stdin from the user
19:58 < capchaos> aszlig: lets say the attacker is already logged in as root
19:59 < aszlig> capchaos: that i meant
19:59 < blindcoder> capchaos: edit /etc/passwd :)
19:59 < blindcoder> or better:
19:59 < blindcoder> download joe the ripper and brute force the entry in /etc/shadow
20:00 < aszlig> blindcoder: john
20:00 < capchaos> aszlig: i have those Npo34Ferkjf password format in /etc/shadow for root. now how can i see what _readable_ password this is?
20:00 < capchaos> hm
20:00 < blindcoder> or john... i didn't quite remembe
20:00 < blindcoder> capchaos: brute force it
20:00 < aszlig> capchaos: cat /dev/ttyxbefore the user is typing his pwd
20:01 < blindcoder> I don't believe it..
20:01 < blindcoder> gcc _really_ has hardcoded lib-directories in gcc/configsparc/linux64.h
20:03 * Mike1 is away: having lunch
20:03 < capchaos> no brute forcing, no trojaner, not cat. isn't there a way to write a program or anything to decrypt the shadow passwd?
20:05 < blindcoder> it's an md5 hash, how on earth do you want to decrypt it?
20:05 < capchaos> just asking..
20:06 < blindcoder> there is a weird algorythm somewhere to actully to it
20:06 < capchaos> *searching*
20:06 < blindcoder> but it's almost always faster to word-attack or even bruteforce it
20:07 < aszlig> capchaos: md5 is non-invertable
20:08 < blindcoder> aszlig: it is, but it is _very_ processor-intensive and therefore almost always (see above)
20:08 < capchaos> how is it inverted in the login process then..?
20:08 < aszlig> blindcoder: it isnt, the only possible way is brute-force or wordlist
20:09 < aszlig> capchaos: the pwd you type will be encrypted and the result will be compared with the entry in the shadow
20:10 < litost> it's a one way hash and suppose to be computationaly infeasible to decrypt
20:10 < capchaos> this comparison must be invertible in some way...
20:10 < blindcoder> it is. but it is faster do bf it
20:11 < capchaos> ok ;) thanks for your help
20:11 < litost> it's not an inverse function
20:11 < litost> you can only go one way and brute force it with comparisons
20:12 < aszlig> litost: erm, you speak the same, as i said
20:12 < aszlig> litost: ;)
20:12 < litost> i'm just confused about this invertible jargon :)
20:13 < aszlig> litost: *g*
20:18 < capchaos> hm there are 4096 possible enconding for the same password, hah!
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20:19 < owl> *argh*
20:19 < owl> re
20:19 < capchaos> re owl :)
20:20 < aszlig> capchaos: it depends on the length of the password
20:20 < aszlig> wb owl
20:22 * owl laueft gleich amok!
20:23 < rolla> OWL
20:24 < owl> hi rolla
20:26 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:22:34)
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20:50 < _NULL> ARGH
20:50 < _NULL> re#+
20:50 < capchaos> re _NULL
20:51 < capchaos> _NULL: is your isp drunken?
20:51 < _NULL> who else want to kill me?
20:51 < _NULL> capchaos: nope. but i'm doped or something like that
20:51 < blindcoder> it's not owl-season :)
20:51 < _NULL> huh?
20:52 < _NULL> now, it's killing _NULL season...
20:52 < blindcoder> nope, that one ended last weekend
20:52 < _NULL> are you sure? might my dentist and network device and so on don't know that?
20:53 < blindcoder> it seems like that... it's _EINS season right now
20:53 < _NULL> *lol*
20:54 < _NULL> or toad-season...
20:54 * _NULL = toad
20:54 < blindcoder> I can see through your camouflage
20:54 < blindcoder> alas I am not allowed to shoot you
20:54 < _NULL> huh?
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21:04 < snyke> blindcoder: ?
21:07 < blindcoder> hm?
21:09 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082BF7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:09 < tsa> tag
21:09 < snyke> blindcoder: hat sich erledigt
21:09 < _NULL> moin tsa
21:10 < tsa> hi owl
21:10 < blindcoder> hi tsa
21:10 < tsa> *hug*
21:10 < tsa> hi blindcoder
21:10 < _NULL> *argh* tsa
21:10 < tsa> hehe
21:10 < blindcoder> hmm... how can a one-processor machine have a constant load of 5.5, 5.6, 5.0
21:11 < blindcoder> with nothing but mldonkey and proftpd running on it
21:11 < snyke> lol
21:11 < snyke> but normally *donkey takes a lot
21:12 < blindcoder> yes... but a load of 5 over more than a week?
21:12 < snyke> maybe
21:12 < blindcoder> and now I killed it but the load stays up high...
21:12 < blindcoder> koay, I'm compiling a CrossCC right now...
21:13 < blindcoder> hmm... does top really show all processes??
21:13 < aszlig> blindcoder: erm, after bootup my system is at load 2.4, 2.1, 1.8
21:13 < _NULL> how much space needs normally a complete build of 1.7 ?
21:13 < blindcoder> where does my CPU-Power go *cry*
21:14 < aszlig> blindcoder: top P
21:14 < blindcoder> I have a few processes (6 or 7) with 1-5 % CPU... and my CPU is at 100% *cry*
21:14 < tsa> _NULL: something about 2700mb, afaik.
21:14 < aszlig> blindcoder: P
21:14 < blindcoder> I use P
21:15 < blindcoder> sort by CPU Usage
21:15 < aszlig> blindcoder: hmm..
21:15 < _NULL> tsa: ok. thx. do you also know how long it will take on a amd k6-II 500 mhz, 384 ram ? about 48 hours, doesn't it?
21:15 < blindcoder> the bigges has 5 % with the following havin 0.1 through 0.6%
21:15 < aszlig> blindcoder: erm, is kapm_idle running?
21:15 < blindcoder> _NULL: expect around 5 through 6 days
21:15 < tsa> _NULL: longer.
21:15 < _NULL> blindcoder: pardon?
21:15 < blindcoder> nope
21:15 < _NULL> on a 500 mhz machine?!
21:15 < aszlig> blindcoder: hmm...
21:16 < blindcoder> _NULL: it takes 24 hours on my P4 1.8 GHz with 512 MB RAMBus
21:16 < _NULL> *amen*
21:16 < _NULL> thx. :-/
21:16 < aszlig> blindcoder: can you give me a screendump of it?
21:16 < blindcoder> sure
21:23 < blindcoder> I feel the urge to reboot
21:24 < blindcoder> how do you terminate a process that wont react to a kill -9
21:24 < tsa> what kind of process?
21:24 < tsa> current process state?
21:24 < blindcoder> D <
21:24 < blindcoder> says top
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21:25 < tsa> so it's waiting for some kind of I/O ..
21:25 < blindcoder> well... it's a vmware process that got hiccup
21:27 < snyke> blindcoder
21:27 < blindcoder> ja?
21:27 < snyke> need you :)
21:27 < snyke> ah. hm
21:27 < snyke> gruftistats funzen ned *grml*
21:27 < snyke> weisst scho, die irc-stats
21:29 < blindcoder> hm
21:29 < blindcoder> tsa: can I kill it SOMEHOW?
21:29 < aszlig> blindcoder: fuser this time ;)
21:29 < aszlig> blindcoder: if you know the device it is accessing
21:29 < tsa> blindcoder: no, that's why it is called "uninterruptible sleep" ;)
21:30 < blindcoder> *AARRGGHH*
21:30 < blindcoder> it's frying my IDE-Bus
21:31 < blindcoder> and making my load one the best high-jumpers around
21:31 < blindcoder> so I really have to reboot, don't I?
21:32 -!- Freak [freak@pD9E39AE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Freak has left the building")
21:32 < aszlig> :Q
21:32 -!- _EINS [freak@pD9E39AE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:32 < blindcoder> *lol*
21:33 < tsa> i'd rather suggest strace'ing the process and trying to find out what kind of IO it wants to do..
21:33 < blindcoder> hmm... can I apply strace to a running process?
21:33 < blindcoder> ah -p [pid]
21:34 < tsa> sure.
21:35 < blindcoder> erm... strace is no also in D <
21:35 < blindcoder> I think I'll really just reboot...
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21:36 < blindcoder> brb
21:36 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958F9D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("reboot tut gut")
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21:41 < blindcoder> ah, that's a lot "nice"r :)
21:43 < tsa> hm..
22:00 * _EINS killing you softly with this song Dream Theatre - Guitar Solo
22:01 -!- capchaos [~hannes@pD9048F66.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8")
22:01 < _NULL> *g* hi Freak (aka _EINS)
22:01 < _EINS> ;I
22:08 < blindcoder> g'night
22:09 < _NULL> gn8 blindy
22:17 < snyke> blindcoder:
22:17 < snyke> https://eros.bingo-ev.de/bingo-net.html schau mal wer da down ist ausser mars...
22:18 < snyke> ahh ich liebe meinen watchdog :)
22:20 < snyke> hallo?!
22:22 < _NULL> snyke: blindcoder pennt
22:23 < _EINS> (owl = watchdog für blindcoder
22:23 < _EINS> )
22:23 < snyke> schon okay
22:23 < snyke> hab esdi angerufn
22:24 < _NULL> _EINS: labber ned rum hier!
22:25 < _EINS> tsss
22:25 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E497E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:25 < _EINS> agressiv.
22:25 < _NULL> tach tcr
22:25 < _EINS> zickig.
22:25 < _EINS> pms.
22:25 < _NULL> na und? zahnschmerzen - bestialische. *jammer*
22:26 < _EINS> hehehe
22:26 < _NULL> lach nicht!
22:26 < _EINS> *lach*
22:26 < _NULL> AAAAAAAAAAARGH!
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22:31 < tcr> g'abend all
22:34 < Freak> seh euch morgen.
22:39 < esden> hi all
22:39 < _NULL> moin esden
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22:42 < netcrow> hi
22:42 < _NULL> tach netcrow
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22:51 * tcr reconnection (dns server seemingly down)
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23:07 < rxr> re
23:07 < rxr> just a live sign
23:07 < rxr>  ...
23:07 < rxr> I now have a normal phone line in my new flat and can use my old v.90 modem to be online
23:07 < rxr> cu later
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23:24 < tsa> cu
23:24 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082BF7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting")
23:30 < _NULL> gn8. cu
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23:52 < LocalHero> hi all
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