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00:34 < hackbard> re
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03:39 < d3mian> hi
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04:35 < d3mian> hi paperclip
04:39 < paperclip> hello
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07:09 < Mike1> moin
07:16 < paperclip> heya
07:19 < Mike1> paperclip: still awake :)
07:19 < paperclip> yeah.. i'd just gotten up earlier..
07:19 < paperclip> it's only 00:24 here =)
07:20 < Mike1> 23:25 here
07:20 < Mike1> :)
07:20 < paperclip> heh..
07:21 * Mike1 is from Costa Rica
07:21 < paperclip> i was poking around the midori site and found a msg from 10/9 saying that there had been some activity in the CVS
07:22 < paperclip> sourceforge is down for maintenance..
07:22 < paperclip> so there maybe hope for it yet..
07:22 * Mike1 *sigh*
07:23 < paperclip> it's basically a set of scripts that crosscompile packages (mlz's)
07:23 < paperclip> it bootstraps then builds everything from the ground up..
07:24 < Mike1> rock like?
07:24 < paperclip> also it has tools inplace to deal with systems that are running from flash
07:24 < paperclip> Mike1: hard to say.. i've never used rock =)
07:25 < Mike1> nice
07:25 < Mike1> how big is the final distro?
07:25 < Mike1> is it possible to create bootable cds?
07:25 < Mike1> (isos)
07:25 < paperclip> Mike1: it can be tiny..
07:25 < paperclip> i had opera/X/linux running from 16mb
07:26 < Mike1> #define tiny _?_
07:26 < paperclip> with 32mb ram
07:26 < Mike1> Cool
07:26 < paperclip> and it could have been much smaller..
07:26 < Mike1> brb
07:26 < paperclip> ok
07:28 < Mike1> back
07:29 < Mike1> ok so it can be really small
07:29 < Mike1> does it use dietlibcd?
07:32 < paperclip> no
07:32 < paperclip> plain libc
07:33 < paperclip> tho i think there was some effort to put in ulibc
07:33 < paperclip> as an option..
07:33 < Mike1> i see
07:33 < paperclip> it's pretty nice actually for "internet appliances"
07:34 < paperclip> i keep coming up with more and more uses for a small source based linux distro
07:35 * Mike1 is really interested ... browsing page
07:36 < paperclip> cool..
07:36 < paperclip> maybe you'd be interested in forking it with me =)
07:36 < paperclip> i'd actually planned on it some time ago..
07:36 < paperclip> but got sidetracked =)
07:38 < Mike1> i will play around with it and think about it
07:38 < Mike1> if like i will consider playing around it
07:38 < paperclip> there are/were a few things i'd fix imediately..
07:38 < Mike1> such as?
07:38 < paperclip> firstly they distribute .mlz packages..
07:39 < paperclip> they are basically a tarball with the original tarball and some scripts/config
07:39 < paperclip> i'd make the inner tarball download from the net and checked against a md5sum
07:40 < paperclip> with of course a project mirror.. just incase the upstream disappears..
07:40 < Mike1> that would be very fine
07:40 * Mike1 wonders how did paperclip heard about rock linux
07:41 < paperclip> it was linked from one of the embtools pages..
07:41 < paperclip> let me see..
07:41 < paperclip> http://www.fefe.de/ncp/
07:42 < paperclip> i almost didn't clickthru =)
07:42 < Mike1> :P
07:44 * Mike1 still checking on midoris website
07:45 < paperclip> it's sort of a pain to get started..
07:45 < Mike1> how
07:45 < paperclip> it fails to build on modern distros..
07:46 < paperclip> i think redhat 7.2 was the latest system known to build
07:46 < paperclip> i used debian potato in vmware
07:47 * Mike1 uses rock linux guess no one has tested it to build
07:47 < paperclip> probably not..
07:48 < paperclip> pretty sure it's all dependant on your compiler..
07:50 < Mike1> still i dont find that hard to get started on midori according to the docs on the web site
07:50 < paperclip> it's not that hard..
07:50 < paperclip> in theory..
07:50 < paperclip> it's just a pain to get all the bits aranged the way you need them..
07:50 < Mike1> it might even be usufull to get some fresh ideas for other projects i am working on
07:51 < paperclip> also it's not the most widely used system ..
07:51 < paperclip> i found a few bugs here and there..
07:52 < Mike1> nice
07:52 < paperclip> well.. i guess..
07:54 < paperclip> anyway.. my basic idea for a fork would be niji linux.. midori is japanese for green.. niji is rainbow
07:54 < Mike1> the sf page is down
07:54 < paperclip> yeah.. and has been for a few hours..
07:54 < Mike1> has it been kicked out of sf for inactivity?
07:54 < paperclip> no..
07:55 < paperclip> all of sf.net is down..
07:55 < Mike1> mm... i see
07:55 < Mike1> weird
07:55 < paperclip> just for a few hours..
07:56 * paperclip has been waiting for sf to go under
07:56 < Mike1> ... anyways guess i will start with midori untill tomorrow as i an connected remotely to my office from somewhere else
07:57 < paperclip> cool..
07:58 < paperclip> may i bore you with some more of my rambling?
07:59 < Mike1> u dont bore me go ahead
07:59 < paperclip> you asked for it.. =)
07:59 < Mike1> :)
08:00 < paperclip> well.. the basic idea with midori is that you put all the files into a source dir.. and then run mlconfig..
08:01 < paperclip> this extracts all the packages.. and parses the config data.. so that you can be presented with a nice html interface..
08:01 < paperclip> it's nice in a way..
08:01 < paperclip> but it uses frames.. etc..
08:01 < paperclip> and i don't always use X
08:01 < Mike1> mm.. is there a non html config tool?
08:02 < paperclip> no.. i wound up using links
08:02 < paperclip> it's pretty silly anyway..
08:02 < Mike1> where does i download the sources from?
08:02 < paperclip> it doesn't..
08:02 < Mike1> mm....
08:03 < Mike1> tell me how does that work
08:03 < paperclip> you grab them all (wget) and put them in a dir
08:03 < Mike1> i see
08:03 < Mike1> is there a script that makes this or do i have to do it manually folling a list?
08:03 < paperclip> i would make it so you get a small package.. that when configured to be built .. would download the tarball..
08:03 < paperclip> that makes what?
08:04 < Mike1> a script that downloads the packages *
08:04 < paperclip> no..
08:05 < Mike1> so i have to do it manually ..
08:05 < paperclip> you just wget -m the whole dir from the midori.transmeta.com
08:05 < paperclip> it's pretty simple..
08:05 < Mike1> ok
08:05 < Mike1> cant i make a package selection?
08:05 < paperclip> tho.. it could be done by a fancy install script..
08:06 < paperclip> yes.. once you have the package .. you can decide not to build it =)
08:06 < paperclip> it's odd..
08:06 < paperclip> you wouldn't be presented with the option if you didn't have the package downloaded either..
08:07 < Mike1> ok
08:07 < paperclip> since most of the packages havn't changed in over a year.. i had them on a cdr..
08:08 < paperclip> so you download what you need.. run mlconfig.. it extracts everything you've downloaded.. parses the configinfo... presents you with an html interface..
08:08 < Mike1> hehe sounds pretty simple
08:08 < paperclip> you save a config for the whole build..
08:08 * Mike1 thins packages should be updated btw
08:08 < paperclip> then start building..
08:09 < paperclip> Mike1: yeah.. obviously..
08:09 < paperclip> what i'd like to see.. would be device specific configuration packages..
08:10 < paperclip> so if you have a footronix set top box.. you could download a package that had sane a sane systemconfig
08:10 < paperclip> and any device specific patches etc..
08:10 < Mike1> sounds cool
08:11 < Mike1> and the project seems to be very well documented at least
08:11 < paperclip> yeah.. there's a load of room to extend it too..
08:11 < paperclip> yeah.. it was well funded for a while..
08:12 < paperclip> now that phoenix is a reality.. it could be really nice..
08:21 < Mike1> ok i go home now
08:21 < Mike1> talk to u tomorrow
08:21 < Mike1> n8 all
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08:51 < blindWorker> moin
08:51 < blindWorker> fake: I've found a clean solution
08:52 < blindWorker> fake: It's really enough to patch the specs file, but I removed too much the first time (I thought it would save me some time if I remove _all_ references to /usr/lib64 at once which was plain wrong)
08:53 < blindWorker> fake: I removed 2 or 3 references and then glibc and kiss built like a charm
08:53 < blindWorker> fake: Now I have to tweak the kernel config (which is not my fault, there are some errors in the kernel as far as I see it)
08:53 < blindWorker> fake: like some missing header files and such thing
08:58 < blindWorker> okay, I'm gone for bad again
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09:25 < fake> hi
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09:35 < [anders]> lo
09:56 < blindcoder> tach
10:07 < fake> hi blindcoder !
10:08 < fake> blindcoder: gratulations!
10:12 < blindcoder> thanks :)
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10:18 < blindcoder> moin Ge0rG
10:18 < Ge0rG> guten morgen :/
10:19 < blindcoder> du wirkst ein wenig verschalfen
10:19 * Ge0rG ist schon seit fast 3h wach
10:19 < blindcoder> wow, bei mir sans 5 :)
10:21 * blindcoder schaut mal kurz nach was es heute mittag zum mampfen gibt
10:24 < blindcoder> hmm... ravioli oder ruehreier...
10:32 < fake> oder beides.
10:34 < blindcoder> *ARGH*
10:35 < blindcoder> the configuration of linux in 1.7 is .... just... plain... crazy/stupid/useless/whatever
10:35 < blindcoder> no matter what you do to architecture/sparc64/kernel.conf IT SIMPLY DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL
10:36 < blindcoder> The final kernel .config has other values
10:36 < blindcoder> WHY THE FUCK?
10:36 < blindcoder> if you ask me (what nobody does anyway) scripts/Configure in the linux-2.4.19 is broken
10:37 < blindcoder> it simply ignorews the default-values in .config
10:37 < blindcoder> *grmpf*
10:41 < blindcoder> well... let's let it run through once again...
10:41 < blindcoder> be back around 11 to 11:15
10:43 < fake> the kernel-config in 1.7 is very advanced and working
11:07 < blindcoder> fake: well, not in this particular case
11:08 < blindcoder> I have the following line in architecture/sparc64/kernel.conf:
11:08 < blindcoder> # CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL is not set
11:08 < blindcoder> and in the final .config this line looks like this:
11:08 < blindcoder> CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL=m
11:08 < blindcoder> and that breaks the whole build
11:09 < fake> because it is selected in some standard-include you included.
11:09 < blindcoder> because there is no asm/serial.h in sparc64
11:09 < fake> it's completely WAE
11:09 < blindcoder> I include NOTHING
11:09 < fake> *sigh*
11:09 < blindcoder> as far as In see it it's the scripts/Configure in the linux-kernel itself
11:09 < fake> $arch/kernel.conf.m4
11:10 < blindcoder> what is it with that file?
11:10 < fake> the sparc64 kernel.conf is old, outdated
11:10 < fake> see the mips-directory how to do it
11:10 < fake> ;)
11:11 < blindcoder> yes, but according to the linux.conf or lx_xonfig.sh file it is still valid
11:11 < fake> but ugly
11:12 < blindcoder> that's not the point
11:12 < blindcoder> I don't even think it is rocklinux' mistake
11:13 < esden> hi all
11:13 < blindcoder> I read through the scripts/Configure file and found no evidence that it really uses the values found in .config but rather takes the values in arch/sparc64/defconfig
11:13 < blindcoder> hi esden
11:14 < fake> i doubt it ;)
11:14 < blindcoder> well, everything points to this...
11:14 < fake> hi esden!
11:15 < esden> hmm ... ok I continue with the colorizer ...
11:16 < blindcoder> I'll have another look at the sccripts
11:16 < blindcoder> bye
11:18 < fake> esden: i already wanted to "tollschock" you ;)
11:18 < fake> but i had not time yesterday, either
11:18 < fake> s,not,no
11:19 < esden> you mean to overwhelm me ?
11:19 < esden> with the new stuff you wanted to implement ?
11:20 < esden> yes that is ok ... I am schort on time too ... 
11:20 < esden> so I can understand that
11:20 < esden> perhups you find some time today ... ;-)
11:22 < fake> o'course
11:22 < fake> tollschocken is from "Clockwork Orange"
11:23 < fake> it means hurting you, as a punishment
11:30 < esden> stone.d *ROFL* 
11:31 < esden> autsch ...
11:31 < fake> heh... at least you got the joke ;)
11:32 < esden> I love this ... I want this rename !!!
11:33 < blindcoder> okay
11:34 < blindcoder> whoever created architecture/sparc64/kernel.conf in 1.7 has to be shot
11:34 < esden> ok ... I sent out my rename proposal
11:34 < fake> ... after the installation, you will get stone.d
11:34 < esden> vote
11:34 < esden> fake: *ROFL*
11:34 < esden> hmm ... why are all people here looking at me so ... strange ?
11:34 < blindcoder> wtf are PC-Style Configartions in there *ARGH*
11:35 < esden> blindcoder: I have nothing to do with sparc ! ;-)
11:35 < blindcoder> I'll delete it for now so that defconfig will be used and create a useful config when I'm home
11:35 < blindcoder> esden: I sure hope so
11:36 < blindcoder> whoever made this is either: a complete brain-dead idiot
11:36 < blindcoder> or I'm a complete braindead idiot for not understanding what PC-Style configurationhas got to do with sparc64
11:37 < blindcoder> okay, be left back after changing that
11:37 < fake> blindcoder: check the changelog
11:37 < fake> it may be rene ;)
11:38 < esden> blindcoder: please check it ...
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11:40 < esden> fake: do you have an idea if there is a function in java to convert 'String z = "B4"' to a integer ?
11:41 < esden> I mean convert hexadezimal numbers in stringform to integer variables ?
11:41 < fake> ((Integer)variable).intValue();
11:41 < fake> maybe like that
11:41 < blindcoder> hmmm looks like it was rene
11:41 < blindcoder> *) 2002-05-23 (1.5.12 - 1.7.0)
11:41 < blindcoder>  - Rene Rebe: Added sparc64 stuff, updates in x11 and extra1,
11:41 < blindcoder>               fixed bash for cross-building, small gcc[23] fixes,
11:41 < blindcoder>               small glibc fixes, better etc/{modutils.conf,devfsd.conf},
11:41 < blindcoder>               updated openssh-3.2.2p1 and util-linux-2.11r
11:42 < fake> you cast it to an Integer (not int!) and get the int from that with .intValue();
11:42 < blindcoder> that's the only mention of sparc64 in all the CHANGELOG*
11:42 < esden> fake: ohh ... thanks
11:42 < fake> esden: you might want to have a look at that class in javadoc
11:44 < esden> yes I see it ... woot ... this class is really cool
11:44 < esden> it is all I need ;-)
11:45 < blindcoder> oaky, `mv kernel.conf fuckmegently.kernel.conf` and `./scripts/Cleanup` `./scripts/Build-Target`
11:45 < blindcoder> let's see if it builds now and let's build a usable kernel.conf (or simliar system, have to have a look at it) when @home
11:47 < fake> kernel.conf.m4...
11:47 < blindcoder> as i said... or simliar
11:47 < fake> commonly chosen values are put together in include files
11:47 < blindcoder> I don't now nothing about m4
11:47 < fake> include('filename')
11:47 < fake> i think you might get that )
11:47 < fake> ;)
11:47 < blindcoder> sure I geht THAT
11:48 < fake> that's it
11:48 < blindcoder> but what about specific options for that architexture?
11:48 < fake> *sigh*
11:48 < fake> have a look at mips/kernel.conf.m4
11:48 < fake> then you will understand.
11:49 < blindcoder> I just had
11:50 < blindcoder> but these are only general configs that are common among all archs
11:50 < blindcoder> what about, for example, CONFIG_SOLARIS_EMUL=m
11:51 < blindcoder> or CONFIG_SUN_OPENPROMIO
11:51 < fake> *sigh*
11:51 < fake> is it that hard?
11:52 < fake> you define arch-specific #defs in the kernel.conf.m4
11:52 < blindcoder> as I said, I don't know anything about m4...
11:52 < blindcoder> yes, okay
11:52 < fake> and things that youd don't care about, like filesystems etc, are included
11:52 < fake> or scsi drivers
11:52 < fake> or whatever
11:53 < fake> you know all you need to know
11:53 < blindcoder> hmm...
11:53 * blindcoder taking away the "Brett vorm Kopf"
11:54 < blindcoder> okay, so, generic things are included
11:54 < blindcoder> (things I don't want to care about and leave this work to others"
11:54 < blindcoder> )
11:54 < blindcoder> and some things I define by hand
11:54 < blindcoder> things I think should be there by default
11:56 < blindcoder> hmm
11:56 < blindcoder> okay I'll come up with it when I'm hoome and have a Sun Ultra to create what I think should be default
11:57 < blindcoder> until then, I'll just continue compiling with the kernel's default for sparc64
11:58 < blindcoder> okay, I'm gone again
11:58 < blindcoder> getting some coffe
11:58 < fake> cya!
11:58 < blindcoder> e
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12:34 < fake> esden: how's it going?
12:54 * fake unpacking a Sun Blade 1000
12:55 < esden> hmm ... I am nearly finished
12:55 < esden> [javac] 16 errors
12:58 < fake> oops.
13:03 < esden> feddisch
13:03 < esden> sweet ... 
13:03 < esden> ok ... add some comments and then commit
13:05 * fake curious 
13:07 < esden> god I am so stupid >_<
13:08 < esden> no I am not as stupid ... hmm 
13:09 < fake> hum?
13:10 < blindcoder> sweet....
13:10 < esden> ok one more test ...
13:10 < blindcoder> I'm not only getting a Linux Workstation but also a GDM-90W10 Monitor
13:14 < blindcoder> Aand if I can convince my boss that ROCK Linux is superior then I can install ROCK on a Sun Ultra60 !!!
13:15 < fake> blindcoder: i will try to get the blade1000 as my desktop machine... *g*
13:16 < blindcoder> hehe
13:16 < blindcoder> good luck!
13:17 < blindcoder> http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_24_Premium_CRT.html
13:17 < esden> fake: co
13:17 < blindcoder> my new desktop monitor
13:17 < blindcoder> code name: T-Rex
13:18 < esden> blindcoder: ill 
13:19 < blindcoder> now I just need to find out how to operate it using Linux :)
13:19 < esden> ok ... I go to eat something
13:19 < esden> cu l8er
13:19 < blindcoder> my boss said caution-klessly that he doesn't really need it
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13:21 < fake> omfg...
13:21 < hackbard> re
13:21 < blindcoder> fake: whaty?
13:21 < blindcoder> hi hackbard
13:21 < fake> esden: we will look through that code together. for now, i have to accept the fact that it works. ;)
13:25 < blindcoder> hmm...
13:25 < blindcoder> let's see....
13:25 < blindcoder> I have a box with ROCK standing around somewhere...
13:25 < blindcoder> ah there it is...
13:25 < blindcoder> Now... just lemme get this monitor.... *haehaehae*
13:26 < blindcoder> okay, I don't know if I"ll be bak today....
13:26 < blindcoder> see ya
13:30 < blindcoder> Am I allowed to file a bugreport to lkml now:
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:126:2: #error Big endian bitfields not tested
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c: In function `fill_packet':
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:765: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:766: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:767: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:768: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:769: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:770: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:771: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:772: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:773: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:774: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:775: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:776: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> amdtp.c:780: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
13:30 < blindcoder> make[2]: *** [amdtp.o] Error 1
13:32 < blindcoder>  /flood
14:06 < esden> re
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14:07 < esden> fake have I not commented some parts enough ?
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14:18 < blindcoder> okay
14:18 < blindcoder> it's either cliffords or renes fault that the settings in architecture/sparc64/kernel.conf are overwritten...
14:27 < blindcoder> okay, made compiling all modules a ./scripts/Config Option
14:27 < blindcoder> now testing it and sending a patch if it works
14:28 < blindcoder> And I'd like to shoot the one who made this always true _grrrrr*
14:29 * -> esden guves blindcoder a nervgun
14:29 < blindcoder> okay, cu later
14:29 < blindcoder> thanks :)
14:29 < blindcoder> now that someone is here I'll stay
14:29 < esden> denada cu
14:29 < esden> ahh
14:29 < esden> kk
14:30 < blindcoder> esden: Everything that was set to "DO NOT COMPILE" was automatically set to "DO COMPILE AS A MODULE"
14:30 < blindcoder> so yin the linux kernel, that is
14:30 < blindcoder> so I've made it a Config-Option :)
14:30 < esden> lol
14:31 < blindcoder> and it is either cliffords or renes fault
14:31 < blindcoder> as their names are in the ChangeLog for these Modifications
14:31 < esden> have I already said that I hate the xterm under solaris ? >_<
14:31 < blindcoder> the problem is that some packages are horribly broken on sparc64
14:31 < blindcoder> esden: me too
14:31 < blindcoder> but I get a Linux Workstation and a T-Rex soon :)
14:32 < esden> hrm ...
14:32 < blindcoder> I'm currenlty X-Forwarding my xterm from a linux-Workstation :)
14:32 < th> hmmm
14:32 < blindcoder> hi th
14:32 < th> UTP is unshielded twisted pair, isn't it?
14:32 < blindcoder> yes it is
14:33 < blindcoder> wait...
14:33 < blindcoder> yes, yes it is
14:33 < th> but it's CAT5
14:33 < th> suitable for 100MBit
14:33 < th> i thought 100MBit needs shielding
14:33 < blindcoder> then it is SUTP: Screen unshielded twisted pair
14:33 < blindcoder> Screened
14:33 < th> ahhh
14:33 < th> thanks
14:33 < th> i wanted to know what S-UTP means
14:33 < blindcoder> hehe
14:34 < th> what about 24AWG / 26AWG?
14:34 < th> cable standards?
14:34 < blindcoder> that is... unknown to me
14:34 < th> ok
14:34 < th> so S-UTP is suitable for 100MBit ethernet?
14:34 < blindcoder> yes
14:35 < blindcoder> it may also mean shielded unscreened Twisted Pair, but it is definately 100MBit
14:35 < th> ok thanks
14:36 < esden> hi th
14:36 < blindcoder> esden: the more code from 1.7 I read the more I am convinced that there will NOT be a 2.0 at CCC... I'm not even sure if I would release it as a pre
14:38 < blindcoder> oh, well... be left back --> toilet
14:44 < blindcoder> re
14:44 < esden> re
14:45 < blindcoder> okay, it seems to work :)
14:47 < blindcoder> okay it does not
14:47 < esden> http://www.explosivelabs.com/articles/sata/ <-- sweet article
14:51 < th> esden: wie war das eigentlich mit mate-transportmoeglichkeit richtung koeln?
14:52 < esden> ist leider wegen meinem zeit mangel unter den tisch gefallen :-(
14:52 < th> und auch weiterhin nicht moeglich?
14:53 < esden> nein leider nicht ... sorry
14:53 < th> nagut :-/
14:57 < blindcoder> okay... the config option was wrong, because of my misunderstanding... now I have to ask cliffi and rene.... --> starting mutt
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15:24 < esden> re
15:26 < blindcoder> re
15:27 < blindcoder> okay, I was right with my assumption that clifford or rene are responsible for EVERY module being built... I just looked at the wrong place :)
15:28 < blindcoder> and now architecture/$arch/kernel.conf IS honored correctly :)
15:28 < fake> re
15:28 < blindcoder> re fake
15:29 < blindcoder> fake: did you know that, regardless of what you define in your mips/kernel.conf.m4 _ALL_ Modules are being built?
15:29 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50812C4B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:29 < blindcoder> hi tcr
15:29 < blindcoder> in lx_config.sh, two configurations are being created
15:30 < blindcoder> one that honors $arch/kernel_conf.whatever and one with ALL modules being activated and built
15:30 < blindcoder> and there is no possibility to select which one is being used
15:30 < blindcoder> always the latter (ALL modules) is being used (this is BAD)
15:30 < tcr> moin all
15:31 < blindcoder> does _anyone_ listen to my rant at all? *cry*
15:32 < tcr> not listening, but a it at least got a fast read by me
15:32 < blindcoder> does anyone listen to ME at all?
15:32 < blindcoder> oh... okay :)
15:34 * blindcoder thinking about playing several rounds of nethack to regain sanitiy from reading ROCKLinux Codee...
15:36 * tcr doesn't care and listens to Children of Bodom - Children of Bodom to get insane, well.
15:37 * fake doesn't listen at all, i learnt that in school.
15:37 < esden> ok fake looks good
15:44 < tcr> fake looks good?
15:45 < blindcoder> okay, now linux has successfully cross-compiled as well as binutils
15:47 < esden> tcr: he cleaned some code I have written 
15:47 < fake> esden: it's still not perfect
15:47 < esden> yes I know
15:48 < esden> you schould not tell colorizer with a boolean what to do ... but give references to methods it should use ...
15:48 < esden> formatting methods
15:49 < blindcoder> esden: that article sounds like a commercial
15:49 < esden> hehe ... yes ... 
15:49 < blindcoder> "Drams will come true" "Do everything you want to do" "Faster" "Better" "Cooler"
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15:49 < esden> but it shows som neat images
15:49 < blindcoder> neat images I have on my hard disk :>)
15:49 < litost> morning everyone
15:49 < blindcoder> moin litost
15:50 < fake> esden: no, the boolean is ok, it will never be more than to modes
15:50 < esden> blindcoder: in /xxx/ directory ?
15:50 < fake> two
15:50 < esden> fake: are you sure ?
15:50 < blindcoder> esden: not quite.... in /crypted/{images,videos}/
15:50 < esden> I would not be so sure on your place
15:50 < blindcoder> and that is a encryopted file system :)
15:50 < blindcoder> usually not mounter
15:50 < fake> esden: i care more about the construction of the ret-string, that has to be beautified.
15:51 < fake> esden: nicht auf vorrat programmieren ;)
15:51 < rolla> re
15:51 < esden> when we have the colorizing stuff what is to be done next ?
15:51 < esden> hi litost, rolla 
15:52 < litost> how's it going esden
15:52 < esden> litost: I am fine thanks
15:52 < esden> and you ?
15:52 < litost> great (8
15:54 < blindcoder> is it possible to compile gcc 2.95.3 with gcc 3.2 ?
15:56 < esden> argh ... windows weenees
15:57 < blindcoder> ?
15:57 < tcr> anyone running a websever and having the new config tool on his box?
15:57 < esden> blindcoder: userfriendly
15:58 < tcr> the mail archive isn't up to date.. unfortunately
15:59 < tcr> nobody? *hmpf*
15:59 < blindcoder> what config tool?
15:59 < tcr> iirc clifford gave it the name stone
15:59 < fake> esden: the recognition of names for colors is still missing
16:00 < blindcoder> tcr: that one... have read that mail @work only, didn't try it yet
16:00 < blindcoder> esden: have you tried compiling gcc 2.95.3 using gcc 3.2 ? or do you know if it is at all possible
16:00 < tcr> i can't try it either, but im bored
16:00 < esden> fake: yes right
16:00 < esden> that is missing
16:01 < fake> esden: you could checkin a TODO file, if you have time
16:01 < fake> i have to set up the blade 1000 ;)
16:01 < blindcoder> fake: what was it yesterday: `echo "Write a TODO file" >TODO`
16:03 * -> esden needs nicotine
16:03 < blindcoder> esden: okay I assume you know nothing about gcc 3.2
16:03 < esden> blindcoder: 
16:03 < esden> ehmmm ... Ihave tried to compile 2 with 3 and it failed
16:04 < blindcoder> okay that's what I wanted to no.. at least partially...
16:04 < esden> but try it yourself ... perhups you will have luck
16:04 < blindcoder> It failed, too. and I wanted to know if it is possible to do it or not
16:04 < fake> two UltraSprac 3 750...
16:05 < blindcoder> because else I'll just deactivate 2.95.3 when cross-compiling with a 3.2
16:05 < esden> possible ... for sure ... when u make some hacking ;-)
16:05 < blindcoder> erm... I don't want to patch 2.95.3... not really
16:05 < esden> *g* why ? *FG*
16:06 * fake wants to compile ROCK 1.7 - sparc64 on that box... *whines*
16:06 < fake> maybe we can keep it one more week or so..
16:06 < esden> fake: ask crash ;-)
16:08 < blindcoder> fake: if your're lucky I'll have the cross-build this weekend
16:08 < esden> ok /me off to DHR 
16:09 < blindcoder> bye esden
16:09 < esden> fake: do some work on bWF2 today ;-)
16:09 < esden> cu all
16:12 < blindcoder> hmm... I think I'll leave early today
16:13 < blindcoder> like right now...
16:13 < blindcoder> yes, that's what I'll do, I'll leave now
16:13 < blindcoder> byebye
16:20 < fake> hey
16:20 < fake> ... *snueff*
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17:09 < Mike1> moin
17:19 < d3mian> moin 2
17:19 < Mike1> lo d3mian
17:31 < Mike1> wow checkout from cvs.rocklinux.de is _SLOW_
17:33 < tcr> hi Mike1
17:35 < Mike1> hi there tcr
17:36 * Mike1 is working on getting all the 1.5 packages so Clifford can rsync to the master mirror
17:37 * tcr is working on that new config tool by clifford. And I agree his coding style particularly sucks :)
17:37 < tcr> urgs, wrong word. s/particularly/partly/
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18:25 < d3mian> hi capchaos , Freak , tcr
18:26 < capchaos> hello d3mian
18:26 < Freak> huhu
18:26 * Mike1 needs [anders] and esden
18:26 < Freak> awww how cute.
18:27 < Mike1> for some questions about uml
18:27 < Mike1> Freak: :)
18:27 < Freak> (:
18:34 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5a85.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
18:34 < owl> seid gegruesst
18:34 < capchaos> hi owl *hug*
18:34 < d3mian> the owl has come
18:34 < d3mian> hi
18:35 < owl> hi capchaos, d3mian
18:35 < d3mian> the famous girl of the #rocklinux channel
18:35 < d3mian> *g*
18:35 < Freak> the famous girl on the internet
18:35 < owl> d3mian: *lol* famous cuz only girl ;P
18:35 < owl> Freak: *lol*
18:35 < Freak> xactly my point
18:35 < owl> Freak: i guess you mixed something up...
18:36 < tcr> owl: the same could you say to god
18:36 < tcr> *eg*
18:38 < Mike1> owly!
18:38 < Mike1> *bear hug*
18:38 < owl> tcr: god? _NULL-pointer == god imho... so: _NULL=god; _NULL=owl; --> owl = god ;P
18:38 < owl> hi Mike1
18:38 < Mike1> welcome owly
18:38 < rolla> Mikw
18:38 < Freak> owl: what about _EINS then?
18:38 < Mike1> rolla hi there!
18:38 < Freak> devil?
18:39 < owl> owl: _EINS is not way to disaster...
18:39 < Freak> Freak: ic
18:39 < Mike1> rolla: have you seem [anders] report to the our mailing list?
18:39 < owl> but _NULL... if you use it in source code --> *boom* ;P
18:39 < rolla> ? which one ?
18:39 < rolla> about xmms ?
18:39 < rolla> and stuff
18:40 < Mike1> the one reporting his latest build with the gnome2.1 brand
18:40 < rolla> yeah
18:40 < Mike1> yes that one
18:40 < rolla> I talked to him about it
18:40 < rolla> my build is still going
18:40 < Mike1> my build havent start :((
18:40 < Freak> owl: right. this virus will let your computer explode.
18:41 < Mike1> i am fetching the 1.5 sources so they can be uploaded to the master mirror
18:41 < Freak> it uses the _NULL-function. ;)
18:41 < owl> Freak: *g* oh cool ;)
18:41 < Freak> wonder why I paid 5,99 for 22:23mins of always the same music
18:41 < Mike1> mm.... The _NULL programming ...
18:42 < Freak> not even a fucking quicktime video on it
18:42 < owl> uh.. now this conversation becomes evil... let me give an overview: _NULL = god, virus, and is programmable...
18:42 < Freak> uhm.. right.
18:43 < owl> hehe ;) cool
18:43 < Mike1> owl: sure god is real unless declared integer
18:43 < Freak> someone pls blow up the freaking music industry.
18:44 < owl> Mike1: believe what you wanna believe. i believe what i want to believe
18:44 < d3mian> Mike1: but it cause overflows and when u get them ur ready to conquest the world by urself (Demian, March 6, 2001)
18:44 < Mike1> Freak: does the Freaking music Freak you up?
18:44 < Freak> freaking yes.
18:44 * owl plays out loud: marilyn manson - lunchbox
18:44 < Freak> what the freak ya wanna say with that?
18:45 < Mike1> owl: so?
18:45 < Freak> bbl (bzfreaking)
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18:45 < d3mian> owl: u should belive whatu dunt believe.. that's the logic of sense
18:45 < owl> d3mian: *grrrrrrrr*
18:45 < d3mian> yeah, thats' right!
18:46 < owl> "attention battery low"
18:46 < owl> great
18:46 < Mike1> asus ready to sleep?
18:47 < owl> Mike1: nope. asus currently plugged in. but one of my mobile phones isn't... :-/ ericsson
18:48 < Mike1> owl: :P
18:48 < Mike1> btw how many mobile phones you got?
18:48 < owl> 2 mobiles
18:48 < Mike1> wtf do you need 2 mobiles to?
18:48 < owl> *ggg*
18:48 < blindcoder> rehi
18:48 < Mike1> to call ur self from one to the other?
18:48 < owl> moin blindy
18:49 < owl> Mike1: exactly.
18:49 < Mike1> *eg*
18:49 < Mike1> hi blindcoder
18:49 < d3mian> blindcoder
18:49 < blindcoder> Mike1: no one else listens to her :)
18:49 < blindcoder> d3mian:
18:49 < owl> blindcoder: *g* yep. or even calls me
18:49 < Mike1> blindcoder: guess so
18:50 * Mike1 will call owl is she gives him her number
18:50 < Mike1> s/is/if
18:50 < owl> Mike1: *lol* nope!
18:51 < blindcoder> sw33t...
18:51 < blindcoder> sparc64 cross-compile comes until gcc2
18:51 < Mike1> d3mian: i got email about tratagua, gimme an amount $ for ur work?
18:53 < d3mian> Mike1: u decide that.. that works werent so effective.. so i consider the travel cost to San Pedro will be ok, at least
18:53 < Mike1> how much would that be.. i will pay for ur time as well /me likes to be fair
18:54 < Mike1> DAMN there are _ALOT_ of borken links for the 1.5 tree base packages
18:55 < Mike1> paperclip: awake?
18:55 < d3mian> Mike1: let's say 1 1/30 hours per visit at tratagua's place
18:56 < d3mian> that's an average, less than effective time, but it's ok! i know that tratagua stuff wasnt so good
18:57 < Mike1> d3mian: just tell me how much you want tratagua project is over
19:01 < d3mian> aerm
19:01 < Mike1> d3mian: nada mas quiero salir del enredo de platas con vos
19:03 < d3mian> let's leave this table, dunt pay me nth, i debt u some money too, and thet didnt pay for the work done
19:03 < d3mian> althoug i think one should try to get money from them
19:03 < paperclip> mike..
19:03 < Mike1> paperclip: !
19:03 < paperclip> i just got to the kybd =)
19:03 < Mike1> paperclip: i just fetched the midori cvs
19:04 < Mike1> i will play with it now
19:04 < paperclip> cool.. i was looking at it last night..
19:04 < paperclip> looks like a load of updates..
19:04 < Mike1> d3mian: dunno i consider tratagua a waste of time and money
19:04 < paperclip> tho there is a note that says the cvs won't work..
19:05 < Mike1> paperclip: well i just finished downloading from cvs so it does work
19:05 < paperclip> looks like the cdboot package makes a bootable cd
19:05 < Mike1> cat VERSION
19:05 < Mike1> 1.0.0-beta4
19:05 < paperclip> not that the cvs doesn't work.. but the files there are whack
19:05 < d3mian> Mike1: me too. but would u forget about what they have to pay ?
19:06 < Mike1> i am seriously thinking about it
19:06 < Mike1> paperclip: ah i see
19:06 < paperclip> Mike1: i was going to try and rebuild beta3
19:06 < paperclip> and slowly move stuff in from the beta4
19:06 < d3mian> Mike1: i think that's not good at least for me. i agree that the work made there wasnt almost nth! but i think is not right do sth for them free!
19:06 < Mike1> beta4 seems to be there but i will follow ur advice and build beta3 first
19:07 < d3mian> Mike1: better ask for money and go :p.. although that sounds bad :p
19:07 < paperclip> ok
19:07 < Mike1> d3mian: is not about doing work for free is about letting a "pega" go away and get rid of tons of dummy questions and troubles
19:08 * paperclip is away: lunch n stuff
19:08 < Mike1> d3mian: i will make william try to get some money from them
19:08 < Mike1> paperclip: let me know when ur back :)
19:08 < Mike1> enjoy food
19:08 < paperclip> ok
19:09 < d3mian> Mike1: im sorry i was unable to pay u before
19:10 < Mike1> d3mian: i never asked you to pay me :P so please dont worry my friend
19:10 < d3mian> Mike1: but u know that was the only project i took in several months.. at least for hack-sol
19:11 < Mike1> d3mian: i know there have been more projects in the past 3 weeks
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19:11 < paperclip> one quick note... it looks like downloading of source packages was either existing before, and not used.. or they've recently added it... if you look in the linux-2.4.19 build file.. you'll see ml_fetchfile..
19:12 < d3mian> Mike1: i was never notified of that, i meant the work made by me for hack-solut
19:13 < Mike1> d3mian: nope it was something that came up from one day to another
19:13 < Mike1> and you were in san ramon
19:13 < Mike1> though we will have more work in a week or so
19:14 < d3mian> i just say i hope
19:14 * Mike1 <AOL> me too </AOL>
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19:17 < d3mian> now i have to leave to see why xfree build is failing.. and to think why g++ cant find its "includes" headers..and later to play baseball and fater that train soccer.. and maybe later i have to do a test and a homework.. maybe it's possible to come over here at night. cya
19:18 < term_emu> hoi all
19:19 < owl> hi term_emu
19:19 < Mike1> cu d3mian
19:19 < Mike1> hi term_emu
19:22 < Mike1> I HATE YOU _OWL_ !!!
19:22 < blindcoder> wazzup?
19:22 < blindcoder> did i miss anything?
19:22 * Mike1 away getting some coffee and trying to relax
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19:27 * Mike1 is back now feeling more relaxed
19:34 < Mike1> OWL!
19:34 < Mike1> i dont hate you sorry
19:34 < blindcoder> hmm
19:34 < blindcoder> mine doesn't cross-compile
19:34 < Mike1> blindcoder: :P
19:34 < blindcoder> should this worry me?
19:34 < blindcoder> Mike1: nani?
19:35 < Mike1> ?
19:35 < blindcoder> nani=what?
19:35 < Mike1> blindcoder: nevermind
19:36 < blindcoder> k
19:38 < blindcoder> oky, gcc2 and mine now deactivated...
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19:48 * Mike1 is away: working
19:52 * owl rocks to: machine head - all in your head *headbang*
19:52 < aszlig> owl: ey!
19:52 < aszlig> owl: thief! thief!
19:52 < owl> aszlig: :PPPPPP
19:53 < owl> aszlig: really great music ;P as you know ;P
19:53 < aszlig> owl: k ;)
19:53 < owl> ;)
19:54 < owl> aszlig: will you have your PC with you, next time we have school? ;)
19:55 < aszlig> owl: sure i'll have ;)
19:56 < owl> aszlig: cool. then i will take my notebook with me and the crossover-cable, too ;)
19:56 < aszlig> owl: hehe
19:56 < owl> aszlig: hm? ;)
19:56 < blindcoder> oh... now I see why this conversation is so strange
19:56 < aszlig> blindcoder: hehe
19:57 < owl> blindcoder: ?
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20:33 * tcr is listening to Letzte Instanz - Rosengarten
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21:19 < paperclip> hey mike1
21:19 < Mike1> hey paperclip
21:21 < owl> re
21:22 < paperclip> it looks like they are putting some sort of device specific config stuff here.. midori/sources/configurator/configurations/
21:23 < Mike1> mm...
21:23 < Mike1> brb
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21:29 < blindcoder> ookaaayyy....
21:29 < blindcoder> 8 packages don't want to get cross-compiled...
21:30 * Mike1 wonders what arch is blindcoder cross-building for...
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21:33 < blindcoder> sparc64
21:33 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E117B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:33 < tsa> tag
21:33 < blindcoder> hi tsa
21:33 < tsa> hi blindcoder
21:33 < owl> tach tsa
21:33 < blindcoder> Mike1: I've got this nice little Ultra 5 standing around, you see
21:33 < tsa> hi owl
21:33 < tsa> *hug*
21:33 < blindcoder> and I may even get to install it on an Ultra 60 @work
21:34 < blindcoder> that is... if I get it to work within two weeks
21:35 < blindcoder> the problem is that some Makefile s (like make's or fileutils) want to execute the newly compiled programs
21:35 < blindcoder> and I'm much too lazy to fix it this laet
21:35 < blindcoder> late
21:36 < Mike1> blindcoder: well get the lazyness away and fix it, it will be worth it
21:37 < blindcoder> sure, but I can do that from @work, too.
21:38 < blindcoder> and I'm almost falling asleep right now
21:38 < blindcoder> and have to get up on 05:00 (yes, I know I just can't stop complaining)
21:38 < blindcoder> but I definately will fix it, if not at least for getting rid of debian
21:39 < blindcoder> That's why I like the easyness of ROCK Linux :)
21:39 < blindcoder> I had a first look at 1.7 last Saturday :)
21:39 < Mike1> blindcoder: you dont need to sleep just code straight till 5:00 and fix the stuff
21:40 * paperclip passes blindcoder a double espresso
21:40 < blindcoder> then I'll fall asleep at work, which isn't good either, cause I'm at the Hotline tomorrow >_<
21:40 < Mike1> sleep is just phicological thing
21:40 < blindcoder> paperclip: thanks, but that stuff makes me even more sleepy...
21:40 < Mike1> Hotline ...
21:40 < blindcoder> "Sleep? Isn't that a totally inefficient substitute for caffeeine?"
21:40 < blindcoder> Mike1: yes... Siemens ICN Webmaster-Hotline
21:41 < Mike1> ah
21:41 < blindcoder> "I am too stupid to code in PHP, please kill me immediately"
21:41 < blindcoder> "With pleasure" *presses 'e' like 'explode enemy telephone'*
21:41 < blindcoder> "Have a nice day"
21:42 < Mike1> hehe
21:42 < owl> blindcoder: *lol*
21:43 < blindcoder> one of these days I will definately implement this in SIEMENS Hicom-Telephone Systems
21:53 * owl is almost dead. leaves you now. 
21:53 < owl> gn8. cu.
21:54 < tsa> cu owl *huggingagain* ;)
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21:57 < Mike1> hi LocalHero
21:58 < LocalHero> Hi :)
22:02 < fake> *ARGH*
22:02 < blindcoder>  fake
22:02 < blindcoder> ?
22:03 < fake> this fsck... indy... Warning: unable to open an initial console.
22:03 < blindcoder> oh
22:03 < blindcoder> fake: 8 packages don't want to cross-compile
22:03 < blindcoder> the rest works like a charm now
22:03 < fake> of _course_ there is no /dev/tty1 .
22:03 < blindcoder> I'll have a look at them tomorrow
22:03 < fake> blindcoder : does it run?
22:03 < Mike1> fake: if you wanna get rid of the indy i volunteer to take it *g
22:03 < blindcoder> fake: patch the kernel :)
22:04 < blindcoder> fake: almost. I have to create one final diff
22:04 < blindcoder> and then it works out-of-the-box
22:04 < fake> blindcoder: i mean, does the system run on your U5 ?
22:04 < fake> did you boot into it?
22:05 < blindcoder> I don't know, I ahven't compiled all packages
22:05 < blindcoder> some essential packages are still not building
22:05 < blindcoder> like fileutils, m4 and make
22:05 < blindcoder> and then I still have to create the Create-ISO script
22:05 < blindcoder> but I think it will be done if I hack through the weekend
22:07 < fake> fsck CreateISO
22:07 < blindcoder> y?
22:07 < fake> open U5, grab disc, open pc, boot, copy, disc -> U5, boot
22:08 < blindcoder> erm...
22:08 < blindcoder> well..
22:08 < fake> or NFSROOT
22:08 < blindcoder> yeah...
22:08 < blindcoder> wait...
22:08 < fake> i'd test it first
22:08 < blindcoder> I'll open U5...
22:08 < blindcoder> but
22:08 < fake> eh?
22:09 < blindcoder> NFSROT is better...
22:09 < fake> i'd relly need some help with my problem now...
22:09 < blindcoder> the disk in the Ultra is SCSI... and I don't have a PC-SCSI-Controller
22:09 < blindcoder> so it will be nfsroot
22:09 < fake> blindcoder: using tftpboot you need not even move the kernel onto the machone
22:09 < fake> machine
22:10 < fake> boot net \n
22:10 < blindcoder> tftpboot?
22:10 < fake> ;)
22:10 < blindcoder> I never read into tftpboot
22:10 < fake> trivial ftp
22:10 < fake> not much to read
22:10 * blindcoder using proftpd...
22:10 < fake> *shaking head*
22:10 < fake> tftp != ftp
22:10 < blindcoder> so... desu ka?
22:10 < fake> ftp = tcp, tftp = udp.
22:11 < fake> tftp hat keine acces-controls
22:11 < blindcoder> hmm.... so I need a daemon, don't I?
22:11 < blindcoder> urks... sounds strange
22:11 < blindcoder> but send me some links, I'll do it
22:11 < fake> tftp is dumm wie brot - aber der client is klein und platzsparend
22:11 < fake> daher passt er auch locker ins bios
22:11 < fake> okay
22:11 < blindcoder> ja, klingt genau so :)
22:11 < fake> you should have tftpd on you machine
22:12 < blindcoder> really? on 1.5?
22:14 < blindcoder> yes... it's there
22:14 < fake> tada.
22:14 < blindcoder> but only the client
22:14 < blindcoder> not the daemon
22:16 * fake verweist auf google/tftpd
22:16 < fake> sun-obp-specific search, i suggest
22:16 < fake> and now i need to know WHY the HELL i get that error
22:16 < blindcoder> which one?
22:17 < fake> *sigh*
22:17 < fake> nevermind.
22:17 < blindcoder> aah
22:17 < blindcoder> in.tftpd
22:18 < fake> bingo
22:18 * blindcoder editing inetd.conf
22:19 < LocalHero> blindcoder, does netbooting work on all cards? Dont you need that extra chip on the network controller?
22:19 < blindcoder> fake says: no
22:19 < blindcoder> but on ix86 you DO need it, that much I know
22:20 < blindcoder> I don't know if it's the same with Sun
22:20 < fake> obp supports it.
22:20 < LocalHero> ok :)
22:20 < fake> and some network cards support it off-the-shelf
22:20 < LocalHero> fake, oki, nice ;)
22:21 < fake> most unix-workstations (real computers) support that kind of stuff ;)
22:21 < blindcoder> fake: regarding those 8 packages... I think I'll just ignore the fact that mine 0.0pre8 doesn't cross-compile, shouldn't I?
22:21 < blindcoder> fake: and now just boot net?
22:21 < fake> i don't care, but i _do_ care about Warning: unable to open an initial console!
22:21 < blindcoder> patch the kernel, create a symlink
22:22 < fake> blindcoder: how should i know? find a manpage, you might also need a dhcp config
22:22 < fake> blindocer: that's you way of fixing anything, right? *eg*
22:23 < blindcoder> fake: IWFM(TM)
22:23 < LocalHero> fake, well, unix systems are nice. But i think they have lots of other problems. For examle, have you seen a sun workstation that is fast? We have those super new ones at school and they are still anoying slow :(
22:23 < LocalHero> and they cost to much
22:23 < blindcoder> I have an e10k at work...
22:23 < fake> i have a sunblade 1000 at work, and hell, it is damn fast.
22:24 < fake> LocalHero: maybe by chance you have SunRays?
22:24 < th> anyone experience with v4l?
22:24 < fake> *handup*
22:24 < th> cool
22:24 < th> i'm using xawtv
22:25 < fake> in exchange for help with "initial console" problem
22:25 < th> and set xawtv.device: /dev/v4l/video0
22:25 < th> via Xdefaults
22:25 < fake> okay... ?
22:25 < th> included console support?
22:26 < th> i'm afraid i might not be able to help you
22:27 < th> would you still listen to my problem?
22:28 < blindcoder> urks... I need rarp
22:28 < th> blindcoder: rarpd and /etc/ethers are your friends
22:30 < fake> th: i checked that. i will now try to create dev/console with mknod. maybe the console-driver for the newport console is not devfs-aware.
22:30 < fake> anyhows, please continue
22:30 < th> ok
22:30 < th> as i said i set awtv.device: /dev/v4l/video0
22:31 < fake> ack.
22:31 < th> and now xawtv does not allow resolutions greater than 640x480 or such
22:32 < blindcoder> okay, I need to recompile my kernel for rarpd to be able to compile
22:32 < blindcoder> so I definately won't do so today
22:32 < th> blindcoder: i don't think so
22:32 < th> blindcoder: just use rarpd
22:32 < fake> th: really?
22:33 < blindcoder> rarpd.c:329: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
22:33 < blindcoder> rarpd.c:332: `ARPOP_REVREQUEST' undeclared (first use in this function)
22:33 < blindcoder> rarpd.c:334: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
22:33 < blindcoder> (last message repeats 4 times)
22:33 < th> blindcoder: there is a rock-binary package ;)
22:33 < blindcoder> but I do not have a binary package
22:33 < th> get one
22:34 < fake> ftp th ; bin ; get binary-package ; bye ;
22:34 < blindcoder> oh... I DO have one...
22:34 < th> fake: and why is xawtv "locking" v4l device?
22:34 < th> fake: i tried s.t. like v4lctl vtx line1 line2 [ ... ]
22:34 < blindcoder> SIOCSRARP: Invalid argument
22:34 < th> (Display  subtitles.)
22:34 < blindcoder> okay, I need to recompile the kernel
22:35 < th> blindcoder: hmmm perhaps you've been right. strange.
22:35 < th> blindcoder: i did not need rarp in kernel
22:35 < blindcoder> th: maybe you already have
22:35 < th> fake: v4l2: open /dev/v4l/video0: Device or resource busy
22:35 < th> v4l: open /dev/v4l/video0: Device or resource busy
22:35 < th> no grabber device available
22:35 < th> blindcoder: i don't think so
22:36 < blindcoder> erm... I do need an image file for booting from net, don't I?
22:36 < fake> th: ahuh? i don't know why xawtv locks it, i didn't decide that ;)
22:36 < fake> your problem is the resizing?
22:37 < th> blindcoder: grub is your friend pxe-image
22:37 < th> fake: yes.
22:37 < th> fake: i want to have a bigger tv-image
22:37 < fake> th: what if you put the device into the .xawtv ?
22:37 < blindcoder> th: nver had a look at grub... *argh* this is all so complex at a time like this...
22:37 < blindcoder> I go to bed
22:37 < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai! (good night)
22:37 < th> fake: there is no xawtvrc option for that
22:38 < th> fake: and without the device-option i have no problems
22:38 < th> fake: but i WANT to use v4l
22:38 < fake> hum... \
22:38 < fake> i dind't experience that - i passed the device on the cmdline IIRC
22:39 < th> hmm
22:39 < fake> sorry...
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22:49 < fake> hm... *greppingkernelsources*
22:51 * fake is irritated
22:51 < fake> the current 1.7 is building much too well
23:17 < th> wie guck ich mir svideo in von der hauppauge mit mplayer an?
23:19 < fake> mplauer uh
23:19 < fake> da gibt es so eine fiese ewig lange option
23:19 < fake> warte mal kurz
23:19 < fake> *anderenrechnerhochfahr*
23:21 < th>                   input=<value>     available: television,
23:21 < th>                                     s-video, composite, etc
23:21 < fake> der sgi-newport-konsolen-treiber weiss nix von devfs. deswegen der fehler beim booten.
23:21 < th> Error: value 'device=/dev/v4l/video0:input=s-video' of option 'tv' is out of range
23:23 < fake> fsck
23:23 < fake> ich hab das script geloescht
23:24 < fake> sorry >_<
23:24 < th>        Input from standard V4L
23:24 < th>               mplayer   -tv   on:driver=v4l:width=640:height=480:outfmt=i420  -vc
23:24 < th> hmmm mal testen ;)
23:24 < fake> genau so.
23:24 < th> Playing TV
23:24 < th> No such driver: v4l
23:25 < fake> hast mplayer --enable-v4l oder so gemacht?
23:25 < fake> oder --enable-tv
23:25 < fake> oder sowas
23:25 < th> uhm?
23:25 < th> die option gibts nich
23:25 < fake> beim configure
23:25 < fake> sischa.
23:25 < th> achso
23:25 < th> er wuerde doch nicht "Playing TV" sagen, wenn ich das nicht haette?
23:26 < th> aber ich teste es mal
23:27 < fake> == 23:27:17 =[5]=> Building rene/xemacs [21.4.9 1.7-snapshot].
23:27 < fake> -> Reading package configuration from pkg dir.
23:27 < fake> !> The package build aborted with the following config error:
23:27 < fake> !> This package hangs with "Testing for Lisp shadows ..."
23:27 < fake> !> in a reference build. So I disabled it. [Clifford]
23:27 < fake> == 10/24/02 23:27:17 =[5]=> Aborted building package xemacs.
23:27 < fake> *lol*
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23:38 < snyke> ich HASSE XCHAT
23:39 < th> fake: tv is beim configure per default enabled
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23:56 < tsa> ./configure --disable-tsa --enable-bed
23:56 < tsa> n8
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