--- Log opened Wed Nov 13 00:00:03 2002
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00:09 * owl moves herself to bed
00:09 < owl> gn8. bye
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00:35 < esden> hmm ... now I have fluxbox on my main machine ...
00:35 < esden> seems to be pretty cool
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00:53 < c4y0> es un pentium 100Mhz con 16 en ram y 500Mb de disco
00:55 < Mike1> hehehe
00:56 < Mike1> wrong windw my friend
00:57 < c4y0> voy anotando el resto del error=
00:58 * Mike1 is away: troubleshooting
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01:05 < capone> c4y0
01:05 < capone> hi
01:05 < c4y0> ??????
01:05 < c4y0> hi!
01:09 < Mike1> capone: whazup
01:09 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:11:28)
01:11 < capone> arrgg
01:11 < Mike1> capone: que?
01:11 < capone> un mae quiere que vaya a restaurarle el LILO en la casa de el
01:12 < capone> porque solo le aparece LI..
01:12 < capone> :p
01:12 < Mike1> di mae plata facil
01:13 < capone> es un amigo.. no les cobro por eso
01:13 < capone> como podria cobrar por eso ??
01:15 < capone> bueno. ya me voy
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02:00 < tsa> n8
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02:04 < Mike1> hello ian
02:05 < ichilton> hi
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02:42 < Mike1> the hell with 1.7 i stick with 1.5
03:16 < c4y0> ????????????
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03:46 < capone> hi all
03:47 < Mike1> hi capone
03:47 < capone> wassup
03:47 < capone> hey
03:47 < capone> why didnt u call daniel ?
03:47 < Mike1> he was supposed to call me
03:47 < capone> he was waiting for ur call, according with what he told me
03:48 < capone> okay
03:48 < Mike1> mm..
03:48 < capone> hey
03:48 < Mike1> guess we missunderstood
03:48 < Mike1> brbr
03:48 < capone> i have 4 semestrers CCNA courses over here
03:48 < capone> ok
03:48 < Mike1> ?
03:49 < capone> s/semes*/semesters
03:49 < capone> :)
03:53 < capone> cya
03:54 < capone> gonna install netbsd
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04:08 < Mike1> blindy
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04:25 < jbalint> Hi all.
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07:34 < blindcod1r> moin
07:34 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder
07:35 < Eisofen> moin
07:36 < blindcoder> moin Eisofen, how's it going?
07:36 < Eisofen> aww...
07:36 < Eisofen> trying to wake up...
07:36 < blindcoder> doesn't sound _that_ good :)
07:37 < blindcoder> hmm speaking of which... my coffee is ready... brb
07:38 < blindcoder> *SLUURP*
07:38 < Eisofen> ja, well... woke up 20 minutes ago.. made some coffe, fed the cats....
07:38 < Eisofen> *sluuurp*
07:38 * blindcoder awake for 2 hours now
07:39 < blindcoder> and an eleven hours work-day ahead of me
07:39 < Eisofen> 11 Hours?
07:39 < blindcoder> yes
07:39 < Eisofen> what's your work?
07:39 < Eisofen> consultant?
07:40 < blindcoder> Meeting with the whole company at 18:30 but warkday starts at 07:30
07:40 < blindcoder> yes, one could say that...
07:40 < blindcoder> I'm an external at Siemens Munich
07:40 < blindcoder> administering Solari-Webservers and developing some apps
07:40 < Eisofen> lucky, you ;-)
07:41 * Eisofen is workless
07:41 < blindcoder> thanks :) most of the time I work on ROCK if I'm just too lazy to do PHP and Perl
07:41 < blindcoder> oh... that's bad...
07:42 < Eisofen> jep
07:43 < blindcoder> where have you been employed before?
07:44 < Eisofen> well.. most of the time I did project for various companys in Stuttgart and Frankfurt, but I'm not doing that anymore, since The IT-market here in germany is down to it's knees....
07:45 < Eisofen> know I'm looking for a 'normal' work.. some kind of unix-administration would be fun...
07:46 < Eisofen> no MS-crap, please...
07:46 < Eisofen> os/2 would be ok, too
07:46 < Eisofen> ;-)
07:46 < blindcoder> hehe
07:47 < blindcoder> Yes, I know the problems... currently trying to find work in Ingoltsadt (my Hometown)
07:47 < blindcoder> Ingolstadt
07:47 < Eisofen> asked Cobra-electronics, could be that they need someone....
07:47 < Eisofen> ?
07:48 < blindcoder> driving 100+ km twice each day via A9 isn't that much fun >_<
07:49 < blindcoder> Ingostadt--> Munich in the morninc, Munich-->Ingolstadt in the evening
07:49 < Eisofen> absolutely not...
07:50 < Eisofen> and small rooms to live in over the week are too expensive in M
07:50 < Eisofen> s/too/to
07:51 < blindcoder> yes...
07:51 < blindcoder> I tried to find an affordable "Wohnung" in Mch, but after two months I gave up
07:53 < blindcoder> hmm... should I udpate or should I not?
07:54 < blindcoder> updating would mean building everything from scratch >_<
07:54 < Eisofen> depends on your PC..;-)
07:55 < Eisofen> is 1.5.20 out?
07:55 < blindcoder> 1.8 GHz Pentium4 with 512 MB Rambus
07:55 < blindcoder> 1.5 days for a ROCK 1.7 build
07:55 < Eisofen> hehe
07:56 < blindcoder> well... 8 hours when leaving out x11/*
07:56 < Eisofen> I installed gentoo on my U30 here, did the stage2&3 builds.. 2 nights.....
07:57 < Eisofen> X would be fine, but you surely don't nee 6 WM's....
07:58 < blindcoder> mhm
07:58 * blindcoder only has an U1 to test sparc64 with Rock 1.7
07:58 < Eisofen> oops
07:58 < Eisofen> you need another U1 or a broke U30?
07:58 < blindcoder> well... and a SS20/SS10 (50MHz each) Cluster for compiling sparc32 :)
07:59 < blindcoder> well... Pseudo-Cluster :)
07:59 < Eisofen> hehe
07:59 < blindcoder> but I might be able to rip two other such machines from a friend of mine :)
07:59 < blindcoder> a few months ago we got some via our local "Buergernetz"
08:00 < blindcoder> he took two and me one, maybe I can talk him into giving them to me *hehe*
08:00 < Eisofen> you know Ultra-hardware well?
08:01 < blindcoder> I know who to ask
08:01 < Eisofen> 'cause I got a U30 here, which won't recognize it's SCSI-devices
08:02 < Eisofen> or only cdrom? dunno anymore...
08:02 < blindcoder> I just have to go downstairs here@work and go on the nerves of some people in the UNIX-Administration
08:03 < Eisofen> warum sprechen wir eigentlich evangelisch?
08:04 < blindcoder> weil die channel-sprache englisch is :)
08:04 * blindcoder is uebrigens Protestant, ja :)
08:07 < blindcoder> hmmm... 01:15 fuer qt...
08:07 < Eisofen> is doch keiner da.. ;-)
08:07 < blindcoder> stimmt auch wieder :)
08:08 < blindcoder> ookay... `cvs up -Pd`
08:08 < esden> morning @ all
08:08 < esden> *yawn*
08:09 < Eisofen> moin esden
08:09 * Eisofen shoves a fresh cup of coffffeee to esden
08:11 < esden> hi Eisofen 
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08:11 < esden> tanks Eisofen 
08:11 < blindcoder> moin esden
08:11 < esden> moin blindcoder 
08:11 < blindcoder> esden: nur gut, dass sich durch `cvs up -Pd` momentan fast nichts aendert >_<
08:13 * blindcoder thinking about `rm -rf download`
08:13 < blindcoder> oder werden nicht mehr benoetigte package-sources von ./scripts/Download geloescht?
08:17 < blindcoder> esden: ping
08:18 < esden> blindcoder: nein werden nicht geloescht
08:18 < esden> du musst ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | cut -d" " -f3 | xargs rm 
08:19 < esden> laufen lassen fuer's aufraeumen
08:20 < blindcoder> hmm... ich glaub ich bastel was einfacheres zusammen
08:20 < blindcoder> (einfacher zu verwenden)
08:20 < Eisofen> noch einfacher?
08:20 < Eisofen> ;-)
08:21 < blindcoder> Eisofen: etwas wu ./scripts/Download -required -cleanup
08:21 < esden> Eisofen: ja das frage ich mich auch ... wie er das machen will ...
08:21 < esden> hmm ... ok ... 
08:21 < Eisofen> axo..
08:22 < blindcoder> oder dass Download das automatisch macht
08:22 < esden> blindcoder: ich habe dem cliff vorgeschlagen sowas zu machen ... aber der hat gesagt das es unnoetig ist weil das was ich oben geschrieben habe schon einfach genug ist ...
08:22 < blindcoder> irgendwie sowas...
08:22 < esden> blindcoder: nein
08:22 < esden> nicht automatisch
08:22 < blindcoder> hmm... okay, fuer _ihn_ isses einfach
08:22 < esden> manche wollen die alten source pakete behalten
08:22 < esden> blindcoder: fuer mich auch ...
08:22 < blindcoder> stimmt automatisch is schlecht
08:23 < blindcoder> esden: aber es gibt auch leute die sich mit shell-programmierung nicht so gut auskennen
08:25 < esden> gibt es sowas ? 
08:25 < esden> echt ?
08:25 < Eisofen> *rotwerd*
08:25 < Eisofen> ich...
08:25 < Eisofen> *huestel*
08:25 < esden> wer nicht shell kann der ist nicht das leben wert ;-)
08:25 < esden> Eisofen: tja ... anscheinend musst du sterben ;-)
08:26 < Eisofen> bin ja auch schon zu alt....
08:26 < esden> aha ... und was verstehst du unter zu alt ?
08:26 < Eisofen> da lohnt sich's und in Dietzenbach is dann auch ne wohnung frei....
08:26 < blindcoder> esden: oder Leute die einfach nicht immer so ne Konstruktion basteln wollen
08:26 < Eisofen> 35
08:27 < esden> Eisofen: ach ... geh ... das ist nicht alt oder zu alt ...
08:27 < esden> es ist nur der wille der faehlt ...
08:27 * -> esden has installed fluxbox yesterday ... on his main machine
08:27 < esden> it is really cool
08:28 < esden> it is xinerama aware ! and small/fast as blackbox 
08:28 < esden> it rulez !
08:29 < blindcoder> esden: mir schwebt was vor, was ich jetzt, da alle kde-pakete in einem eigenen rep sind, brauchen kann
08:29 < blindcoder> ich will naemlich nicht kde nue saugen, habs ja schon auf der platte
08:29 < esden> and it has integrated keymapping ... not like in blackbox where you need an external app for it
08:29 < esden> blindcoder: use -alt-dir
08:29 < blindcoder> vielleicht sollte man eher sagen `./scriptsDownload -convert`
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08:30 < blindcoder> -alt-dir?
08:30 < esden> urgh !!!
08:30 < esden> blindcoder: read the help !
08:30 < esden> the command documentation !
08:30 * -> esden is dying
08:31 < esden> ./scripts/Download -alt-dir /daten/irgendein_alter_rocklinux_tree_wo_pakete_zu_finden_sind/ -all
08:31 < Eisofen> nuja.. vieleicht nicht zu alt.. aber 'programmieren' war noch nie meine starke seite....
08:31 < esden> Eisofen: ist training ... sonnst nichts
08:32 < blindcoder> does that work even if the tar.bz2 in in rene/kde* and not in kde-30/*
08:32 < esden> YES
08:32 < blindcoder> okay, then it is just what I need :)
08:33 < esden> and when I am right only when these are tar.bz2's ...
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08:33 < esden> it is long time as I have implemented this feature in the Download script
08:34 < blindcoder> cause then I can mv downold d_old and then after -alt-dir I can remove d_old and it's clean again :)
08:34 < esden> no ... use -list-unknown ... that is much faster !
08:34 < blindcoder> well, most of the packages _are_ in tar.bz2 so I don't worry about that
08:35 < blindcoder> esden: you should have added it to scripts/Help
08:35 < esden> ? you use 1.5 ?
08:35 < blindcoder> esden: rene moved the whole kde* to a repository of it own
08:35 < blindcoder> I don't WANT to download tham all again!
08:35 < esden> ok ... good
08:36 < blindcoder> especially since they are only in aanother directorf
08:36 < esden> then make a new co ... and download all once more using -alt-dir
08:37 < blindcoder> yes I just did that :)
08:38 < blindcoder> and then I can remove d_old
08:39 < esden> yes
08:39 < blindcoder> esden: do you have a SparcStation standing around doing nothing that you would contribute to "Building sparc32-ROCK-1.7 on a Cluster?"
08:40 < blindcoder> As it seems Zero will give me his :)
08:40 < esden> yes ... 
08:40 < esden> a sparc station 2 and a sparc station 10
08:40 < esden> is that ok ?
08:40 < blindcoder> as soon as my new router is up I will try the first nfs-boot of the sparc32-machines
08:40 < blindcoder> perfect :)
08:41 < blindcoder> hmmm *thinking*
08:42 < blindcoder> I could shut down te router, yank out the seconp processor and some RAM, punsh that into the SS10 and boot that one up tomorrow evening...
08:42 < blindcoder> yes I think that's what I'll do
08:42 < esden> blindcoder: have you seen my new desktop at home ? ... I have not yet made a screenshot of my fluxbox desktop ... but I have the window maker version online
08:43 < blindcoder> the one you sinked yesterday?
08:43 < esden> blindcoder: hmm ... ok ... do it ...
08:43 < blindcoder> linked
08:43 < esden> yes 
08:43 < blindcoder> yes I've seen it
08:43 < esden> and ?
08:43 < esden> besides that it is dark ;-)
08:43 < blindcoder> looks cool, asthough the background-image is a llittle too empty IMO
08:44 < esden> no it is simple ... and I really like it ... I do not want to have tons of thinks on my desktop ... that is disturbing me ...
08:44 < esden> as I have realized ...
08:44 * -> esden compiling fluxbox at the uni
08:45 < blindcoder> yes, I know. But I like good overloaded background-images
08:45 < blindcoder> rarpd... portmap... nfsd... everythings there but a nfsroot-kernel
08:47 < blindcoder> in.tftpd is there, too
08:47 < blindcoder> so only the image is missing...
08:48 < esden> so create it
08:49 < blindcoder> I'm currently reading  BUILD-CROSS Section: kernel :)
08:50 < esden> ahh ... now I have fluxbox also here at the uni
08:50 < esden> cool
08:50 < esden> I have to feed my laptop with it too
08:55 < blindcoder> esden: [ ] Support for SUN4 machines (disables SUN4[CDM] support)
08:55 < blindcoder> yes/no?
08:55 < blindcoder> for SS10?
08:56 < blindcoder> mom...
08:56 < esden> urgh ... no idea ...
08:56 < blindcoder> stupid question... just have to have a look >_<
09:02 < esden> ok ... I have to do some homework now
09:02 < esden> cu all
09:18 < blindcoder> http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html#QUICK
09:18 < blindcoder> finally I've found it again!
09:18 < blindcoder> how to changee your ethernet address on a Sun-Machine!
09:22 < blindcoder> vmlinux_sparc32_nfs.aout
09:22 < blindcoder> okay... in theory I could boot up the SS10...
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09:44 < blindcoder> oh boy... the download-locations for kde-31 are broken >_,
09:53 < fooblah> has anybody a athlon optimized iso for me? :/
09:53 < fooblah> or athlon-tbird if it works
09:55 < fooblah> should i use Build-Target -cfg bootdisk or ./Create-ISO to build a iso?
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10:03 < blindcoder> hi fake_school
10:03 < fake_school> hi
10:03 < fake_school> FINALY
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10:03 < fake_school> i found an open, non-restirected cgi-irc
10:03 < blindcoder> fooblah: first build the targfet, then create the ISO
10:04 < fake_school> after searching at your server ;)
10:04 < blindcoder> fake_school: cgi-irc is restricted?
10:04 < blindcoder> btw. we have one on apollo...
10:04 < blindcoder> it's open for OPN and #rocklinux
10:04 < fake_school> blindcoder: most installations do not allow you to connect to any server / e.g. openprojects
10:04 < fake_school> blindcoder: mind giving me the URL?
10:05 < fake_school> ...
10:05 < fake_school> hello?
10:05 < blindcoder> http://apollo.bingo-ev.de/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi
10:05 < blindcoder> IIRC
10:06 < fake_school> ah, thanks
10:06 < blindcoder> fake_school: what about transconnect?
10:06 < fake_school> blindcoder: i will be back right away - please stay here...
10:06 < blindcoder> suro
10:06 < blindcoder> sure
10:06 < fake_school> i have a favour you could do me ;)
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10:07 < fooblah> blindcoder: but if i build the build-target -cfg bootdisk it tries to make a bootdisk... is this wrong?
10:07 < fooblah> blindcoder: koennen wir eben in deutsch reden?
10:07 < blindcoder> no
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10:07 < blindcoder> booting from cdrom is emulating a bootddisk
10:07 < fake_school> aw. much better.
10:07 < blindcoder> fooblah: klar
10:07 < fooblah> also
10:07 < fooblah> wenn ich jetzt build-target -cfg bootdisk mach dann siehts aus als wenn er ne bootdisk machen mag
10:07 < blindcoder> stimmt
10:07 < fooblah> aber da kommt immer der loop fehler
10:07 < blindcoder> richtig so
10:07 < fake_school> fooblah=german?
10:07 < fake_school> *confused*
10:07 < fooblah> fake: yes
10:08 < blindcoder> fooblah: probier folgendes:
10:08 < fake_school> hehe, dann haett ich mir gestern das suelzen sparen koennen
10:08 < fooblah> hehe
10:08 * fake_school needs a server running ssh or telnet/rlogin on port 443 - just for a test
10:08 < blindcoder> cd /dev ; mkdir loop ; cd loop ; for x in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ; do ln -s ../loop$x $x ; done
10:08 < fake_school> s,server,machine connected to the internet,
10:09 < blindcoder> fake_school: transconnect kann ueberall hinconnecten
10:09 < fake_school> blindcoder: NACK
10:09 < blindcoder> aber warte mal schnell
10:09 < fake_school> blindcoder: nicht wenn der proxy sagt:
10:09 < fake_school> Connection Refused: Proxy Error ( Der angegebene SSL-Port ist nicht zugelassen. Der ISA Server wurde zum Unterstützen von SSL-Anfragen von diesem Port nicht konfiguriert. Die meisten Webbrowser verwenden Port 443 für SSL-Anfragen.  )
10:09 < fake_school> *blaeh*
10:09 < blindcoder> urks
10:09 < blindcoder> moment
10:11 * fake_school fuehlt sich im IRC seinen mails immer so nah (Ctrl-a-d, mutt)
10:11 < fake_school> ungewohnt dass es nicht geht
10:11 < fooblah> *kaffee macht* :)
10:11 < fake_school> IGITT
10:11 < fake_school> CGI:IRC hat smiley-bildchen~!
10:12 < fake_school> *blindwerd*
10:12 < fake_school> ... *pfeiff*
10:13 < fake_school> *klick* block all images from this server
10:13 < fake_school> *niahaha*
10:13 < blindcoder> *lol*
10:13 < blindcoder> ssh://scavenger.homeip.net:443
10:13 < fake_school> user?
10:13 < blindcoder> fake
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10:14 < fake_school> tnx
10:14 < blindcoder> bin mir net sicher obs geht...
10:15 < fake_school> nah... also hier scheints nich zu klappen...
10:15 < blindcoder> das dauert...
10:15 < blindcoder> 2x50MHz-Prozessor...
10:15 < fake_school> okay *wart*
10:15 < fake_school> ah, die suesse ss20
10:15 < blindcoder> mhm
10:15 * fake_school wird dann heute htun aufsetzen
10:16 < blindcoder> hehe
10:16 < fake_school> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
10:17 < blindcoder> hmm...
10:17 < blindcoder> vom apollo aus gings...
10:17 < blindcoder> warte mal
10:17 < fake_school> na, des liegt an dem scheiss M$ Proxy
10:17 < fooblah|c> hmm... default compiler for building (almost) everything... is das der, der benutzt wird um rocklinux zu baun, oder der, der dann auf die iso kommt?
10:18 < fake_school> wenn ich auf ssh connecte, muesste doch so ein Versionsstring kommen, oder?
10:18 < fake_school> fooblah: der zum bauen
10:18 < fooblah|c> aso
10:18 < fooblah|c> thxle
10:18 < fake_school> fooblah: der aus dem paket gcc{3,2} [5/9] is dann als paket dabei
10:18 < fooblah|c> gcc3.2 laesst dich bei mir nich baun
10:19 < fake_school> der arsch
10:19 < fooblah|c> hab ihn zwar local installd aber bei der rocklinux build mag er nich
10:19 < fooblah|c> jo
10:19 < fooblah|c> *gg*
10:19 < blindcoder> probiers nochmal, hab ihn jetzt auf die schnelle kiste gebogen
10:19 < blindcoder> crash@apollo:~$ ssh -p 443 scavenger.homeip.net
10:19 < blindcoder> crash@scavenger.homeip.net's password:
10:19 < fake_school> blindcoder: vergiss es, da stimmt was anderes nicht. aszlig meinte etwas von einem CONNECT-Bug in diesem komischen isa ding
10:20 < blindcoder> bloed >_<
10:20 < fake_school> aber htun muesste gehen
10:21 < blindcoder> fake_school: ich dachte immer ich waere schnell eingeschnappt... aber Mike versucht mir den Rang abzulaufen...
10:21 < fake_school> na, wenigstens krieg ich jetz schonmal DNS-Anfragen resolved
10:21 < fake_school> blindcoder: du bist ne zicke, ja. was tut Mike?
10:21 < blindcoder> --> Mailingliste
10:21 < blindcoder> achso >_<
10:21 < fake_school> *GRRR*
10:22 < blindcoder> fake_school: er hat doch gestern tonnenweise patches geschickt
10:22 < blindcoder> paket-updates
10:22 < blindcoder> wies hat im ROCK-Guide drinsteh / er es verstanden hat
10:23 < blindcoder> clifford hat dann gemeint, dass er es falsch verstanden hat und in Zukunft fuer paket-updates und aehnliche kleinigkeiten einen einzigen Patch schicken soll
10:23 < fooblah|c> kann ich gcc2 und glib2.3 nehmen?
10:23 < fooblah|c> oder gibts da probs?
10:23 < blindcoder> und Mike ist jetzt eingeschnappt wie ein Tresorschloss
10:24 < fake_school> blindcoder: verstaendlich...
10:24 < fake_school> blindocder: laueft der noch (ssh/443) ?
10:25 < fake_school> fooblah: wird schwierig...
10:25 < fooblah|c> :/
10:25 < fooblah|c> gcc3 mag aber nich *flenn*
10:25 * fooblah|c verzweifelt langsam
10:25 < blindcoder> "Ja, dann lass ich eben meine Finger von 1.7" "Sowas wird garantiert _NIE_ _WIEDER_ vorkommen weil ich an 1.7 nichts mehr machen werde"
10:25 < blindcoder> fake_school: klar
10:26 < blindcoder> fooblah|c: host-system auf glibc23 und gcc32 updaten
10:26 < blindcoder> dann gehts :)
10:26 < fooblah|c> hmm... glibc updaten... *Gg*
10:26 < blindcoder> es geht zwar sonst nicht mehr viel, aber...
10:26 < fooblah|c> da hab ich paar fiese erinnerungen... *gg*
10:26 < blindcoder> naja, bis auf MySQL laeuft hier bei mir alles
10:27 < fooblah|c> ich konnte nichtmal mehr starten - bei li(lo) hats gehangen *gg*
10:27 < blindcoder> ohh
10:27 < fooblah|c> kann mir wer dabei helfen?
10:28 < fooblah|c> ich hab das mit den linuxthreads nich so geschnallt...
10:28 < blindcoder> naja mein chef braucht mich schnell
10:28 < fooblah|c> *gg*
10:28 < blindcoder> bin dann mal away
10:29 < fake_school> man bin ich genervt... ich will meine mails lesen *wimmer*
10:30 < fooblah|c> ich mag rocklinux baun :(
10:30 < fooblah|c> trau mich aber nich glibc upzudaten *gg*
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10:34 < fake_school> so...
10:37 < fooblah|c> bei rocklinux 1.4 - sind das current packages oder die "alten" ?
10:38 < esden> argh ... they have really something wrong with their heads ... the gave a homework to interpret a registermachine program
10:38 < esden> and these are 110 cycles ...
10:38 < esden> that is too much ...
10:38 < fooblah|c> esden: can u help me? just a little question...
10:38 < esden> thank god I can use a computer to do this ...
10:38 < esden> fooblah|c: yes ?
10:39 < fooblah|c> i want to upgrad glibc - what's to do? i know... upgradpkg "oldfile"%"newfile" - but whats important to do?
10:40 < fooblah|c> last time i tried to update glibc... my system stopped booting at li(lo) loading... :/
10:41 < fake_school> esden!
10:41 < fake_school> esden: wherer are you when today? school's out at ~13:00 today
10:44 < esden> ...
10:44 < esden> hmm ... no idea ... I have never updated a glibc
10:45 < esden> your all programs have to be recompiled if you are updatin for example from glibc 22 to glibc 23
10:45 < esden> otherwise nothing will work 
10:45 < fooblah|c> all?? ..
10:45 < esden> fake_school: am I right ?
10:46 < esden> fake_school: when I am well informed yes
10:46 < fooblah|c> and can i install both? the old one and a the new one?
10:46 < esden> fake_school: I have to go to daniel first and get lego from him and bring it to the uni ... after that I can probably go to IN
10:47 < esden> fooblah|c: urgh ... yes that is theorically possible ... debian is practicing this when they update to a new glibc
10:47 < esden> but that is a terrible hack
10:47 < fooblah|c> *hrhr* *gg*
10:47 < fooblah|c> i do this now
10:48 < fooblah|c> i've got nothing to lost... gg*
10:48 < esden> I would consider in your place to create a rock 1.7 bootable install cd ... backup your machine and then reinstall
10:48 < fooblah|c> i can't build a bootable install cd! thats my problem :((
10:48 < fooblah|c> i need! glibc2.3
10:48 < fooblah|c> otherwise it won't work
10:50 < esden> urgh ...
10:51 < esden> do you hav a possibility to download two iso images ?
10:51 < esden> I have a 1.7-fake-build laying around here
10:53 < esden> and it is possible to build 1.7 on older glibc ... at least fake did it ;-)
10:53 < fooblah|c> hmm...
10:53 < esden> you could also ask blindcoder he messed with glibc too
10:53 < esden> I am not sure what he exactly has done
10:53 < fooblah|c> i need only a athlon-tbird optimized iso for download :)
10:54 < fooblah|c> bootdisk...
10:54 < esden> hmm ... my build is not yet ready ... i lack bootdisk
10:55 < esden> fooblah|c: you can also use some other bootdisk ... you only should have mine on it
10:55 < esden> to install .gem's
10:59 < fooblah|c> ok - i'm downloading 1.5.20-pre -i686
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11:07 < esden> hmm ... the megatokyo cover looks pretty good !
11:14 < fooblah|away> i'm no watching stigmata on vhs *hrhr* :) - l8r
11:14 < fake_school> esden: when do you think you can be @bitz?
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11:21 < esden> cu all
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11:24 < fake_school> esden: i guess i missed you answer
11:24 < fake_school> mr. super-proxy killed the connection
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11:26 < th> 11:21:43 < esden> cu all
11:26 < th> 11:23:58 -!- fake_school [www-data@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
11:27 < fake_school> DOUH
11:27 < fake_school> thanks th
11:29 < fake_school> hm....
11:29 < fake_school> i can connect to port 110, 21 and 80
11:30 < fake_school> th: transconnect nees ssl-support in the proxy, right?
11:31 < th> fake_school: don't know anything about transconnect but it's name
11:31 < fake_school> hm... okay. i'll set up htun today ;)
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11:32 < blindcoder> re
11:32 < blindcoder> port 110 I can give you fake
11:35 < fake_school> oh, sweet!
11:35 < th> hat hier jemand ein fax-geraet in der naehe?
11:35 < fake_school> i just noticed 21... and uploaded a php script onto apollo to start a sshd ad port $port *g*
11:37 < fake_school> blindcoder: waiting
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11:39 < fake_school> damn !?@^% proxy!
11:39 < blindcoder> fake_school: you want 110?
11:39 < fake_school> ack
11:40 < blindcoder> okay, so I,ll deactivate 443
11:40 < fake_school> jap
11:41 < blindcoder> done
11:42 < fake_school> thanks,... ill try
11:43 < fake_school> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.4p1
11:43 < fake_school> CHAKA
11:44 < fake_school> is that on the ss20 or on crayhorse?
11:44 < fake_school> it works! weeeeeeeeee!
11:45 < fake_school> (without transconnect... somehow)
11:45 < blindcoder> crayhorse
11:45 < fake_school> it's slow like hell, but it works
11:45 < blindcoder> yes, that's my DSL-Line
11:45 < blindcoder> but you can now connect to apollo and configure it there if you like :)
11:46 < fake_school> thanks!
11:46 < fake_school> aeh... at home
11:46 < blindcoder> you should have quite a good connectien directly to apollo.... after al *.ingolstadt.de and *.bingo-ev.de are on the same line
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11:50 < fake> ENDLICH
11:50 < fake_school> hehe. bye ;)
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11:50 < blindcoder> sweet
11:50 < fake> ACK!
11:51 < blindcoder> direkt zu dir oder noch bei mur?
11:51 < blindcoder> mir?
11:51 < fake> direkt zu mir
11:51 < fake> meine leitung is frei ;)
11:51 < blindcoder> okay, dann schalt ichs bei mir wieder ab
11:51 < fake> jop
11:51 < blindcoder> hehe
11:52 < blindcoder> iptables sind schon was schoenes :)
11:52 < fake> endlich mails lesen.
11:53 < blindcoder> *LOOOL*
11:53 < blindcoder> lies die Mal "Curious" *LOL*
11:54 < blindcoder> es ist eigentlich nicht lustig, aber trotzdem....
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11:55 < blindcoder> moin Ge0rG
11:55 < Ge0rG> hi
12:00 < blindcoder> I need to get that damn nethack-package ready... >_<
12:02 < fake> -> lesson
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12:32 < blindcoder> hi isofenE :)
12:32 < isofenE> wtf??
12:32 < blindcoder> Eisofen ist bereits eingeloggt :)
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12:33 < blindcoder> hehe
12:33 < blindcoder> *freu*
12:33 * blindcoder kann bald ROCK 1.7 auf einem 4-Nade-Cluster bauen
12:33 < blindcoder> 4-Node-Cluster
12:33 < Eisofen> aufnmal waren alle connections wech... ??
12:34 < blindcoder> okay, 3xSS10(50MHz) und 1xSS20(50MHz)
12:35 < blindcoder> Node-Master wird ne IPX sein, aber egal :)
12:35 < blindcoder> brb scheissen
12:40 < blindcoder> re
12:45 * fake -> home
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13:00 < owl> moin
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13:26 < blindcoder> *yawn*
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13:31 < blindcoder> moin bluefire
13:32 < bluefire> moin blindcoder
13:33 * blindcoder looking forward to the weekend
13:33 < blindcoder> plugging 4 SS10 and 1 IPX togethel as a "Cluster" to build ROCK 1.7 sparc
13:55 < fake> so.
13:55 * fake -> daheim *g*
13:55 < blindcoder> hi fake
13:56 < fake> re blindcoder
13:56 * fake has to fight telekom now... -_-
13:56 < blindcoder> fake: an dich nochmal die selbe Frage wie an esden:
13:57 < blindcoder> fake: hast du sparc32 Hardware die du mir fuer mein kleines Experiment leihen koenntest?
13:57 < blindcoder> fake: why? what have thef done?
13:57 < fake> blindcoder: the ss5 would kill your performance. the javastation even more. so, unfortunately, no.
13:57 < fooblah> is da nen download-limit 30k/s bei iso.rocklinux.de ?
13:58 < fake> blindcoder: they are still billing my phone in my flat @bonn
13:58 < blindcoder> okay, no problem
13:58 < blindcoder> fake: oh...
13:58 < fake> *grml*
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13:58 < blindcoder> fake: hmm... I could use them for tob-control... currently a IPX would be dedicated to do that...
13:58 < blindcoder> s/tob/job/
13:59 < blindcoder> or do you think an IPX would bu sufficient?
13:59 < fake> welcher tag isn heut? der zwoefte?
13:59 < blindcoder> mogli:~$ date
13:59 < blindcoder> Wed Nov 13 13:59:47 CET 2002
14:00 < fake> blindcoder: job control = master = nfs server ... ?
14:00 < fake> = dein p4?
14:00 < blindcoder> mein K6 wird NFS-Server
14:00 < blindcoder> ich haette die IPX auch NFs-gemounted und da das master-script gestartet
14:01 < fake> koennte gehen...
14:01 < blindcoder> also nicht gut
14:01 < fake> wird aber so oder so scheisslangsam.
14:02 < fake> so, jetz telekom... *grr*
14:02 < blindcoder> das is n anderes thema, SS10 = langsam
14:02 < blindcoder> aber alles was ich kriegen kann
14:02 < blindcoder> viel Erfolg :)
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14:14 < fake> fsck
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14:15 < blindcoder>  fake hm?
14:15 < fake> nah. telekom. *shakeshead*
14:16 < blindcoder> what's up?
14:17 < fake> "the database does no longer contain information... blah blah... colleague in bonn not reachable blah blah... call you back. bye."
14:18 < blindcoder> the usual shit
14:19 < blindcoder> "call you back" actually meaning: "YOU call ME back. But NOT before two weeks,, cause you annoy me"
14:20 < blindcoder> If it wasn't for todays company meeting today would be perfect for me
14:21 < blindcoder> my new CD-Writer got delivered, I could try booting the SS10 via network, I could go on Zeros nerves...
14:23 * fake brb
14:24 < fake> new acpi patch applied.... *g*
14:24 < blindcoder> hehe
14:25 * blindcoder got an interesting idea I would like to discuss with you tomorrow, fake
14:25 < blindcoder> are you on the train tomorrow?
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14:33 < blindcoder>  hi Freak
14:33 < Freak> ho blindcoder
14:44 * [anders] is getting peeved with the bad atmosphere on the rock mailing list.. seriously contemplating unsubscribing as it is that bad..
14:45 < [anders]> might as well take a look at LFS and work something out from there.
14:45 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@pD90485D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:46 * [anders] is getting short tempered as well.. bad sign..
14:46 < blindcoder> hi [anders]
14:47 < blindcoder> hi capchaos
14:47 < blindcoder> [anders]: hmm... i wouldn't bother that much... read it, laugh about it and ignore it
14:49 < capchaos> moin
14:52 < [anders]> re blindcoder
14:54 < [anders]> blindcoder: I might start maintaining my own rock version for my machines where I strip out the cruft that gets build that I do not need and add in the things that I do use..
14:54 < [anders]> I am seriously tempted in trying to create a rock linux based on uClibc...
14:54 < [anders]> Perhaps then the install floppies would have sufficent amount of space w/o any problem whatsoever.
14:56 < blindcoder> hmm
14:56 < blindcoder> with this 2nd Stage Filesystem theey do have, don't they?
14:56 < blindcoder> it just depends how large you make the ramdisk...
14:58 < blindcoder> btw.: esden already started fscking around with uClibc if I'm not mistaken
14:58 < [anders]> Yeah.. but a libc that is 250,000 bytes (shared lib) is sort of appealing..
14:58 < blindcoder> brb, coffee
14:58 < [anders]> (and not the nearly 4MB that GLibC is...)
14:59 < blindcoder> sure
15:07 < [anders]> they are using dietlibc..
15:07 < blindcoder> 14:58 < blindcoder> btw.: esden already started fscking around with uClibc if I'm not mistaken
15:07 < [anders]> there are diffrences, and uClibc is more compliant with glibc so more things should work..
15:08 < [anders]> I managed to build busybox using uClibc so there is a start on a mini-system there already. :-D
15:09 < blindcoder> hmm talk to esden then and tell him your results to combine your efforts
15:09 < [anders]> I am also tempted using busybox instead of the other packages.. perhaps only pull in the other packages if there is something that can not be achieved with busybox.
15:10 < [anders]> blindcoder: Yeah, shouldd do..  :)
15:10 < [anders]> the reason for looking at this is that it could make my laptop usable for much longer. :)
15:11 < blindcoder> I don't like using bb as long as there are alternatives
15:12 < blindcoder> there are features I got quitu used to which are - for obvious reasons - not in bb
15:12 < fake> phew.
15:13 < fake> blindcoder: i am @school tomorrow
15:13 < fake> what are your ideas?
15:13 < blindcoder> friday
15:13 < blindcoder> It's too sick for IRC
15:14 < fake> too sick for irc... there is nothing that is too sick for irc i can think of
15:14 < fake> oh well yes there is
15:14 < fake> real life is too sick for irc ;)
15:14 < blindcoder> see :)
15:14 < [anders]> blindcoder: could have all busybox bits installed in /bin and /sbin and then all other utils installed in /usr/sbin and /usr/bin
15:15 < [anders]> that way you could have a complete rescue system in your root fs just in case you can't mount /usr for example
15:15 < blindcoder> [anders]: sure... I think oy tab-completion gor a start. also better help-text wourd be great in bb... a simple "Usage: find [options]" doesn't cut it IMO
15:16 < blindcoder> where does my ability to type go...
15:16 < fake> away
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15:17 < blindcoder> I don't want to stop you from your wark that you've done nor do I want to discriminate it. But I just don't like BusyBox but prefer the way 1.7 does things
15:18 < [anders]> blindcoder: have you looked at bb 0.60.5 ?
15:18 < blindcoder> with the 2nd Stage File System
15:18 < blindcoder> [anders]: the last one I've used was with 1.5.19 I think...
15:19 < rolla> re
15:19 < blindcoder> re rolla
15:19 < [anders]> <spam>
15:19 < [anders]> --(anders@alien)-[1662]-[Wed Nov 13 14:18:43]-(~/.gnome-desktop/cvs/rock-gnome2)--
15:19 < [anders]> $ ~/usr/bin/find --help
15:19 < [anders]> BusyBox v0.60.5 (2002.11.13-12:54+0000) multi-call binary
15:20 < [anders]> Usage: find [PATH...] [EXPRESSION]
15:20 < [anders]> Search for files in a directory hierarchy.  The default PATH is
15:20 < [anders]> the current directory; default EXPRESSION is '-print'
15:20 < [anders]> EXPRESSION may consist of:
15:20 < [anders]> aaaargh!!
15:20 < blindcoder> hmm... lloks good
15:21 < [anders]> something is not right..
15:21 < [anders]> the options are all explained...
15:21 < [anders]> -follow Dereference symbolic links.
15:21 < [anders]> -name PATTERNFile name (leading directories removed) matches PATTERN.
15:21 < blindcoder> hmm... I'm sure they weren't in the last version I used. But it's _very_ good to see that
15:22 < [anders]> -printPrint (default and assumed).
15:22 < [anders]> </spam>
15:22 < [anders]> busybox has been updated quite a lot..
15:22 < blindcoder> wight be really useful for low-memory-systems with that
15:23 < [anders]> the bb exec is 450k on my box.. and it uses the 250k uClibc.. :)
15:23 < [anders]> how big is find, ls and cpio from the gnu utils? :)
15:24 < blindcoder> who is maintaining the bootdisk-target? bug that person about adding the busybox to that as an option for low-memory-systems.
15:24 < blindcoder> [anders]: around 2 MB if I should take a wild guess
15:25 < [anders]> they are not that big.. combined the are...:
15:25 < [anders]> $ ls -l /bin/cpio /bin/find /bin/ls
15:25 < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        49288 May 30  2001 /bin/cpio
15:25 < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        56468 May 30  2001 /bin/find
15:25 < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        47320 May 30  2001 /bin/ls
15:26 < [anders]> but they depend on:
15:26 < [anders]> $ ls -l /lib/libnsl-2.1.3.so /lib/libc-2.1.3.so /lib/ld-2.1.3.so
15:26 < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       351209 May 29  2001 /lib/ld-2.1.3.so
15:26 < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      4028330 May 29  2001 /lib/libc-2.1.3.so
15:26 < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       364758 May 29  2001 /lib/libnsl-2.1.3.so
15:26 < blindcoder> well they are dynamically linked, aren't they? isn't bb static?
15:26 * Mike1 is away: I'm busy
15:26 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:00:01)
15:26 < Mike1> re
15:27 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
15:27 < [anders]> bb can be made static.. mine is dynamic
15:27 < [anders]> re Mike1
15:27 < Mike1> hi blindy
15:27 < Mike1> huhu [anders]
15:28 < [anders]> would be nice if I could get Gnome and XF86 to build using uClibc.. I think it will not work, but it would be cool to try.. :)
15:29 < blindcoder> hmm... esden said something about Xfree compiling with UuClibc
15:34 * fake will drive to saturn now to have a look at the portable mp3 players... ;)
15:34 < fake> cu l8er
15:34 < blindcoder> fake: !!
15:35 < blindcoder> fake: have a look at the prices for Philips DVD+R writers!
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15:38 < blindcoder> hi c4y0
15:38 < c4y0> hello!!!!!!!!
15:45 < blindcoder> *yawns*
15:46 < Mike1> blindcoder: whats the status of ur 1.7 build?
15:46 < Mike1> hi c4y0
15:46 < blindcoder> mom
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15:47 < blindcoder> == 15:43:05 =[5]=> Building kde-30/kdemultimedia-30 [3.0.3 1.7-snapshot].
15:48 < blindcoder> 1087 builds total, 386 completed fine, 50 with errors.
15:48 < Mike1> mm...
15:48 < Mike1> blindcoder: thanks for the update :)
15:48 < blindcoder> running build for pentium4 and Stage 9 enabled
15:48 < blindcoder> 586 builds total, 465 completed fine, 73 with errors.
15:48 < Mike1> i removed my 1.7 tree last night
15:48 < blindcoder> finished build without optimisation and Stage 9 disabled
15:49 < Mike1> i was 1/2 a bit pissed off
15:49 < blindcoder> Mike1: yes, I think I understand you
15:49 < Mike1> blindcoder: didnt you had any problems with imlib2?
15:49 < Mike1> stage 5
15:49 < blindcoder> it probably didn't build
15:49 < Mike1> blindcoder: yeah but still i over reacted, i feel really ashamed about that
15:50 < blindcoder> [5] rene/imlib2
15:50 < Mike1> blindcoder: ah right you are running without the abort on brake option right?
15:50 < blindcoder> Mike1: hmm ... ask fake and esden about me and they'll tell you that I'm just as short-tempered as you :)
15:50 < blindcoder> yes
15:51 < Mike1> blindcoder: hehehe
15:52 < Mike1> guess thats why we get along that well
15:52 < Mike1> :P
15:52 < blindcoder> hehe :)
15:53 < blindcoder> I just compile it, look through if some essential package failed and if not then I'll install it
15:54 < blindcoder> and if it works out I'll start my sick "Compile ROCK on a SS10-Cluster" thingie :)
15:54 < Mike1> Cool
15:54 < blindcoder> see rock-ports-mailinglist :)
15:55 < Mike1> when did you sent the mail?
15:55 < blindcoder> hmm today some one or two hours ago
15:56 < blindcoder> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:45:45 +0100
15:56 < Mike1> have not received it
15:56 < blindcoder> are you subscribed to rock-ports?
15:59 < Mike1> blindcoder: ack
15:59 < blindcoder> strange...
15:59 < Mike1> blindcoder: i am subscribed to all rock lists
15:59 < blindcoder> I'll post it to you private okay?
15:59 < Mike1> ack
15:59 < [anders]> narf...
16:00 < [anders]> if XF86 builds with uClibc... I should possibly give it a go.. :)  A system that is not so memory hungry is a good thing...
16:01 < Mike1> [anders]: how are you today?
16:01 < [anders]> the question is if I can get it to work with Gnome
16:01 < [anders]> Mike1: tired, fed up with the bickering on the mailing lists.. considering unsubscribing..
16:02 < [anders]> rock is not my project, as I am not an active (comparatively) developer I have no say in what happens or where it goes so I might as well pilfer as much as I can and hack my own thing..
16:03 < Mike1> [anders]: i wouldnt like you to usubscribe
16:03 < blindcoder> [anders]: you don't need to be an 'active developer' get people moving
16:04 < Mike1> ur personal trees have been very usefull for the 1.5 tree
16:04 < Mike1> [anders]: does this have anything to do with my patch bomb and my issue with Clifford?
16:07 < [anders]> blindcoder: the project leaders/owners only understand code, not reasoning it appears.. I do not speak code that well.. Might as well keep quiet and go elsewhere.. Perhaps take a look at SuSE again..
16:08 < Mike1> oh my god
16:08 < [anders]> Mike1: I would not like to either, but when things get too bad, I see no point in staying around..
16:08 < Mike1> [anders]: yesterdays issue was nothing than just a missunderstanding and a over reaction from my side
16:08 < [anders]> Mike1: it does have partly something to do with the patch flood yes, but this goes back further..
16:09 * Mike1 feels even worst now
16:09 < blindcoder> [anders]: as sad as it is, but I think I can understand you. The problem is I can also understand the other side - partially at least
16:09 < Mike1> [anders]: we have managed to get a almost stable tree with gnome2 and most of that couldnt have been possible without you
16:10 < [anders]> imho there was mis-management in rock at 1.5.12 and the fork of 1.7. not enough emphasis was put on getting 1.6 released and too much emphasis was put on featuritis and blinkered focus on 1.7
16:10 < [anders]> blindcoder: during the last few years, my focus in computing has changed somewhat. I *NEED* a stable easy to update system to do my work on..
16:11 < Mike1> [anders]: some months ago you huebi and i agreed that no matter if all other moved to 1.7 we would keep hanging aroung with 1.5
16:11 < [anders]> Debian seems nice, but hard to get into..
16:11 < [anders]> SuSE I at least has a sporting chance dealing with..
16:11 < [anders]> Mike1: I'll carry on working on 1.5, but for the rest of the lot, I could not care less..
16:12 < Mike1> [anders]: we have said that as well before :)
16:13 < [anders]> Mike1: I will do more work as I get time, I need to update the rock-gnome2 tree, create an experimental cvs tree for uClibc, hack on Gnome 2.1.1
16:13 < [anders]> there is too much to do and too little time..
16:13 < Mike1> [anders]: i know you, the time will come magically :)
16:15 < [anders]> Mike1: at the moment, if I can manage two hours a week, it would be great. I would prefer to be able to lay down perhaps 5-8 hours.. Not enough time..
16:15 < blindcoder> I don't nom that much about 1.5 anymore, haven't much on it to be honest
16:15 < blindcoder> haven't looked at it
16:16 < blindcoder> haven't look muched at it
16:16 < Mike1> blindcoder: ok i got ur point
16:16 < blindcoder> oh boy... rors are once again out to kill me >_<
16:16 < [anders]> blindcoder: there are cvs repositorys that you can look at.. :)
16:16 < blindcoder> [anders]: sure, I even have the latest one on my hd
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16:17 < holyolli> moin
16:17 < Mike1> holy
16:17 < Mike1> :)
16:17 < holyolli> Mike1:
16:17 < holyolli> :)
16:17 < blindcoder> problem is: since the update to glibc 2.3.1 almost no 1.5 package compiles anymore
16:17 < blindcoder> hi holyolli
16:17 < holyolli> Mike1: or should i call your mailman...? ;)
16:17 < holyolli> hi blindcoder
16:17 < holyolli> s/your/you
16:18 < Mike1> holyolli: not anymore
16:18 < [anders]> blindcoder: update to 2.3.1?
16:18 < holyolli> Mike1: *g*
16:18 < Mike1> holyolli: please dont remind me of that insident
16:18 < [anders]> blindcoder: I was not aware they had updated it. I have not looked at it for the last few weeks..
16:18 < blindcoder> and pkg-removed deleted /etc/{passwd,group,shadow} yesterday
16:18 < blindcoder> [anders]: no not in 1.5, on my running system
16:19 < [anders]> blindcoder: aah.. okay.. :)  I do not know about that, not updated glibc so..
16:19 < blindcoder> I don't think anyone should... just too much breaks >_<
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16:22 < holyolli_> gnarfrmbl...
16:22 < blindcoder> holyolli_: yes, I fully agree with that.
16:22 < holyolli_> blindcoder: oh..do you also have disconnects all the time...?
16:23 < blindcoder> I use transconnect threugh a https-proxy to a shell-server to my WS at home. what do you think?
16:24 < holyolli_> hm. o.k.
16:25 < blindcoder> I reconnect about once every ten minutes
16:25 < holyolli_> oh
16:27 < blindcoder> Just like now. I'd die if it wasn't for screen
16:27 < holyolli_> *g*
16:27 < [anders]> screen is a very handy util.... :)
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16:28 < holyolli> jepp
16:28 < blindcoder> [anders]: screen is even more essential than nethack
16:35 < praenti> hi
16:36 < Mike1> hi praenti
16:36 < blindcoder> hi praenti
16:38 < blindcoder> c0ff33
16:38 < praenti> ?? coffein concentration too low?
16:39 < blindcoder> always
16:39 < blindcoder> well it's the last cup for today
16:39 < praenti> ;-)
16:39 < blindcoder> basically because I'm too lazy to refill the coffee-machine
16:40 < praenti> sit up and refill the machine. perhaps you need another cup ;-))
16:41 < blindcoder> hmm I'm at work for another two hours and then it's "grosse Fresserei" with the whole company
16:41 < praenti> most of the time i have the same problem. last cup, too lazy to refill, angry cause no coffee is in the machine
16:42 < blindcoder> too bad they declined me the "Azubi"
16:42 < blindcoder> the other two I had made really good coffee
16:42 < praenti> ;-)
16:43 < holyolli> .oO(english for runnaways....englisch fuer fortgeschrittene...)
16:43 < blindcoder> holyolli: as lang as everyone understands what I (have) to say, it's alright
16:43 < praenti> holyolli: what do you mean. i know this sentence from otto
16:44 < praenti> ohh i see...
16:44 < praenti> where is my brain?
16:45 < blindcoder> boy... I should have disabled Stage 9 and kde*
16:45 < Mike1> find -name *praenti-brain*
16:45 < holyolli> *fg*
16:45 < blindcoder> cat /dev/null >/dev/praenti/misc/brain
16:45 < blindcoder> oops();
16:45 < Mike1> lol
16:45 < holyolli> hehe
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16:47 < praenti> i nkow another one:
16:47 * blindcoder thinking about getting himself a DVD-Writer
16:47 < praenti> locvly god, let it rain brain!
16:47 < praenti> s/locvly/lovely
16:48 < blindcoder> plwhat use is it if people keep using umbrellas?
16:48 < praenti> or: you can get chappy also with brain
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16:49 < blindcoder> praenti: erm... now the jokes start getting zero-niveau (as in Florian Anthofer)
16:49 < holyolli> .oO(*platsch*...daneben... ;-)
16:49 < holyolli> (sorry...no english translation available... )
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16:50 < blindcoder> == 16:48:35 =[5]=> Building rene/blender [2.25b 1.7-snapshot].
16:50 < holyolli> btw. have you read the article about the hacktrain?
16:50 < blindcoder> hmm... sitll taking bets
16:50 < term_emu> hoi
16:50 < blindcoder> hi term_emu
16:50 < holyolli> hi term_emu
16:50 < blindcoder> holyolli: hacktrain?
16:50 < holyolli> http://www.hacktrain.verbrennung.org/
16:51 < holyolli> <-- is thinking of driving with it...
16:51 < blindcoder> hmm nothing near munich
16:52 < blindcoder> also the problem: how to transport 4 Monitors, 2 PCs 2 Alphas and 4 Sparc Stations
16:52 < holyolli> hmmm.... teleporter?
16:52 < praenti> ohh. there is a link to the hackbus. hmm
16:52 < blindcoder> can you tell me an affordable one near munich?
16:53 < praenti> blindcoder: hackbus augsburg-berlin
16:53 < blindcoder> what the fuck is a "Atomfisch"?
16:54 < blindcoder> hmm Nuremburg is on the route...
16:55 < blindcoder> still the problem with the hardware
16:55 < blindcoder> I may have up to 6 or even 8 monitors with me
16:56 < holyolli> blindcoder: why...du you have so many eyes?
16:56 < praenti> yes. this is the main problem i think
16:56 < blindcoder> I will have all the luggage from esden with me, just like last year
16:56 < blindcoder> holyolli: sure, two on each side of the head for the "Rumdumblick"
16:56 < holyolli> *fg*
16:56 < praenti> blindcoder: should we start an own bus?
16:57 < holyolli> rockbus
16:57 < holyolli> (tm)
16:57 < holyolli> ;)
16:57 < Mike1> holybus even
16:57 < blindcoder> praenti: it would be cool to charter our own bus
16:57 < praenti> i dont know if this is working. i only know that someone of the lugin can drive busses and have good connection to spangler touristik
16:57 < blindcoder> espcially since I don't know if I get the Alhambra this year
16:58 < blindcoder> don't misunderstand me, but I don't like most people from the lugin
16:58 * praenti takes a shower
16:59 < blindcoder> brb
16:59 < holyolli> Mike1: i have something what somebody called a holybus...but it isn't so really big at all...
17:00 < Mike1> :)
17:02 < blindcoder> back
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17:12 < [anders]> screen is indeed essential..
17:12 < [anders]> lost connection to home box seriously there..
17:13 < Mike1> re [anders]
17:13 < blindcoder> [anders]: [anders] I did so just now, too
17:13 < [anders]> re re
17:14 < blindcoder> ironically, the last line I saw was "17:12 < [anders]> screen is indeed essential.."
17:14 * [anders] is going to go home and get some sleep me thinks.. /me is very tired...
17:14 < Mike1> sleep well [anders]
17:14 < blindcoder> hmm... I'd love to do so, too
17:14 < blindcoder> good n8 [anders]
17:14 < Mike1> jeg da
17:14 < [anders]> nighty nighty.. hope to hack on gnome2.1 tomorrow...
17:21 * blindcoder falling almost asleep
17:21 < blindcoder> haw shall I stand through the meeting >_,
17:36 < Mike1> huebi: awake
17:36 < Mike1> ?
17:38 < blindcoder> hmm I don't think so...
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17:44 < armijn> re
17:46 < blindcoder> hi armijn
17:46 < Mike1> hi armijn
17:47 < armijn> hehe, I really expected rene's posting in the thread about 1.5.20
17:47 < armijn> about having support for alpha and ppc in 1.7
17:47 < holyolli> hi armijn
17:47 < armijn> I mean...look at the subject :))
17:47 < holyolli> *g*
17:47 < armijn> subject: 1.5.20
17:47 < blindcoder> armijn: hmm... yes...
17:47 < armijn> reply: we've got stuff working in 1.7
17:49 * blindcoder looking forward for the weekend
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17:53 < armijn> ah well, am off again...
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17:58 < blindcoder> okay I'm of now
17:58 < blindcoder> c ya tomorrow
18:01 < Mike1> yasumi nasai
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18:21 < Mike1> litost !!!
18:21 < Mike1> :)
18:21 < litost> Mike1!! what's up!
18:21 < Mike1> nothing much just working as usual
18:21 < Mike1> and you ?
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18:22 < litost> ugh...just got out of a math test and now i'm at work
18:22 < Mike1> had fun?
18:23 -!- c4y0 [~c4y0@cable200-75-73-72.epm.net.co] has joined #rocklinux
18:23 < c4y0> ok! i'm here again!!!!!!!!
18:23 < litost> ummm...it was hard, but i think i did okay
18:24 < Mike1> litost: congratz
18:24 < litost> thanks =)
18:24 < Mike1> c4y0 que mas?
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18:31 * fake back
18:44 < th> how is the load avg calculated?
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19:37 < tcr> moin all
19:38 < c4y0> hello!!!!!!!!!!
19:38 < c4y0> where is every body?????????
19:39 < c4y0> hey!!!!!!!!
19:39 < tcr> yeah
19:39 < c4y0> jejeje!
19:39 < tcr> what's up
19:40 < c4y0> i'm here! learning to install rock!
19:41 < tcr> good choice :D
19:42 < c4y0> yeah! but i'm stopped trying to enter the zone name
19:43 < c4y0> say "list" for a list, but not such time zone found
19:43 < c4y0> what can i do?
19:44 < tcr> where do you live
19:44 < c4y0> colombia
19:44 < tcr> mom
19:45 < c4y0> time zone America/Bogota ---------> this say always in other instalation
19:46 < tcr> doesn't it work?
19:46 < c4y0> not such time zone found
19:48 < tcr> mom
19:49 < c4y0> ?
19:50 < Freak> he wants you to wait a "mom"ent
19:51 < c4y0> ok
19:51 < Freak> (:
19:57 < tcr> sorry was away c4y0
19:57 < tcr> are you sure America/Bogota is the time zone that you want to use, yea?
20:00 < c4y0> always say that zone when i install some linux!
20:01 < tcr> oks
20:02 < c4y0> whish package admin the time zone?
20:02 < tcr> c4y0: When having booted your newly installed system, create a link from /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Bogota to /etc/localtime
20:03 < c4y0> so, how skip this step to continue the installation?  Ctrl+c
20:03 < c4y0> Esc
20:04 < tcr> just enter any timezone
20:04 < tcr> Europe/Berlin
20:04 < tcr> e.g.
20:05 < tcr> when booted, just overwrite the /etc/local link
20:05 < tcr>  /etc/localtime
20:08 < c4y0> ok
20:12 < c4y0> ups!
20:13 < c4y0> accidentaly i press Ctrl+c
20:13 < c4y0> bad habit
20:13 < tcr> *g*
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20:38 < owl> moin
20:38 < c4y0> hi owl!
20:39 < owl> hi c4y0
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20:58 < fooblah> hello
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21:00 < owl> hi fooblah|eating
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21:05 < tsa> tag
21:05 < tcr> m0in
21:06 < owl> tach tsa. tcr
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21:15 < fooblah> hab ein problem - wenn ich rocklinux installiert hab und die lilo.conf aendere dann kommt immer kernel panic
21:15 < fooblah> unable to mount (vergessen)
21:15 < fooblah> und root="" - das es halt nich richtig is
21:16 < fooblah> in der lilo conf hab ich aber nix gefunden bis auf dieses append - was soll des sein? seh ich da zum ersten mal
21:26 < tsa> devfs.
21:27 < tsa> der kernel muss seine root-partition irgendwoher kennen.
21:27 < tsa> append="root=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target8/lun0/part2" <- so zum beispiel
21:27 < fooblah> hab schon :)
21:27 < tsa> ;-)
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21:53 * fake copying 10 gig of mp3 via USB...
21:53 < owl> hi fake. viel spass dabei.
21:54 < owl> btw, hast heute eine tolle zug-fahrt verpasst... 2 std. verspaetung fast.
21:54 -!- litost [~user@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu] has joined #rocklinux
21:55 < litost> Can I get a re re! (=
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21:56 < owl>  hi litost
21:56 < capone> hia
21:56 < litost> hey there owl
21:56 < owl> litost: mp3s will be online tomorrow...
21:56 < litost> i forgot to bring the cd today :(
21:56 < litost> same here :)
21:56 < capone> What amazes me, and especially recently, is the somehow agressive tone I
21:56 < capone> see between some developers
21:56 < owl> litost: *g* no problem ;)
21:56 < capone> umm.
21:57 < owl> capone: huh?
21:57 < fake> owl: habs gehoert. strom is ausgefallen, gell?
21:57 * capone reading mailing list
21:57 < owl> fake: k.a. oberleituns-stoerungen...
21:59 < capone> umm. cya
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22:00 < owl> capone: bye
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22:07 < owl> fake: biste morgen (morgen und/oder abend) im zug?
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22:15 < tsa> *yawn*
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22:17 < capone> re
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22:21 < holyolli_> re
22:21 < owl> moin holyolli_
22:21 < holyolli_> moin owl
22:21 * owl = off now
22:21 < owl> gn8. cu
22:21 < holyolli_> n8 owlita *hug*
22:22 < owl> *grrrrrrr* don't touch me
22:22 < owl> bye
22:22 < owl> n8 holyolli_
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22:36 < capone> pk5
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22:42 < capone> umm
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22:44 < Mike1> re
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22:56 < rolla> Mike
22:56 < Mike1> Joel
22:56 < rolla> x11/gnomemm1 died :(
22:56 < fake> DAMN VFAT
22:57 < fake> i just tried to copy all my mp3s to my player
22:57 < rolla> suck
22:57 < fake> but vfat does not support more than 255 entries in /
22:57 < rolla> I need to keep track of how many rene packages die in one build
22:57 < fake> now i am stuck with 20 directories i can't delete
22:57 < fake> i/o error
22:57 < fake> ... will reformat.
22:57 < fake> cya later!
22:57 < capone> cya fake
23:01 < Mike1> hi capo
23:01 < capone> um.
23:02 < Mike1> hmpf
23:03 < rolla> 17 broken packages fromrene :(
23:04 < capone> hi Mike1
23:04 < Mike1> rolla very few compared to sometime ago
23:04 < rolla> true
23:04 < Mike1> == 16:01:17 =[5]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2 1.7-snapshot].
23:05 < rolla> you got gcc3 to start building ?
23:06 < Mike1> rolla: not sure yet if it will work
23:07 < Mike1> capone: what are you doing?
23:09 < Mike1> 11/13/02 16:11:20 =[5]=> Aborted building package gcc3.
23:09 < Mike1> rolla hehe nope
23:11 < th> hi Mike1
23:11 < Mike1> hi Tobias
23:11 < Mike1> mom /me on a meeting with his boss
23:13 < capone> cya
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23:28 * c4y0 is away: no tardo!!!!!
23:40 < esden> hi all ..
23:44 < th> Mike1: there is still no gvim built
23:51 * c4y0 is away:  out for dinner!!!!!  see you soon!!!! ;o)
23:54 < Mike1> th: i will use --enable-max-features perhaps that might fix it
23:54 < th> no
23:54 < Mike1> current vim.conf has basically the same stuff that it has since you maintained it
23:54 < th> it won't
23:54 < th> it is a timing problem
23:54 < Mike1> and it gets build _AFTER_ all gnome packages
23:54 < th> it's a question of when to build it
23:55 < th> it was an extension at my time
23:55 < Mike1> as you can see on the priority field
23:55 < th> but if i start a build after install it gets gvim
23:55 < Mike1> ?
23:56 < th> how to read the priority field?
23:56 < Mike1> i honestly had forgot to test gvim as i dont use it, still the priority filed was changed as you requested to make it work
23:56 < Mike1> do something easy
23:56 < Mike1> ./scripts/Puzzle ; less scripts/packages
23:57 < Mike1> in the packages file you will see the order on which packages get build
23:57 < th> so it's that single letter?
23:58 < Mike1> ---- scripts/packages 031.121
23:58 < th> vim is the 15th package to be build
23:58 < Mike1> thats what i mean about the priority sorry for the misunderstanding
23:59 < Mike1> th no it isnt
23:59 < th> for me it is the 15th package in scripts/packages
23:59 < th> talking about 1.5.x?
23:59 < Mike1> th yes
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