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00:03 < Mike1> n8 all
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02:57 < Mike1> moin
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03:33 < SMP> Mike1: man screen
03:33 < SMP> M)
03:34 < Mike1> hi SMP
03:34 < Mike1> SMP: hehe ok
03:35 < Mike1> SMP: i read that u don't like iptables, what do u use in stead?
03:36 < SMP> your connection to world must be pretty sluggish?
03:36 < SMP> I use the OpenBSD Stateful Packet Filter
03:37 < Mike1> SMP: actually i dont oftenly login to world
03:37 < Mike1> at least not for using irc only when i an away from my office
03:38 < Mike1> but i will got for screen ..
03:39 < Mike1> SMP: i never used OSPF, wanna tell me abit about it?
03:39 < SMP> er
03:39 < SMP> hehe
03:40 < SMP> OSPF is the Open Shortest Path routing protocol ;)
03:40 < SMP> the OpenBSD packet filter is called 'pf'
03:40 < SMP> anyway
03:41 < Mike1> hehe ok still could u tell me about the advantages of pf?
03:42 < SMP> just a second. need to sort out my thoughts
03:42 < Mike1> sure ...
03:44 < SMP> ok, so pf is much less modular than iptables, but it is more tightly integrated. for example you cannot extend it by loading dozens of modules (some of which are pretty much useless in the iptables case).
03:45 < SMP> it is functionally equivalent to iptables, though
03:45 < SMP> the main difference from a user's point of view is probably that it is actually maintable, which ipfilter is not
03:46 < SMP> you write your filtering policy as rules into a file and then load it into the kernel in one step
03:46 < Mike1> nice ...
03:47 < SMP> the ruleset language is pretty high-level
03:47 < Mike1> Do i get stuff like port forwarding and NAT as well?
03:48 < SMP> pf does NAT, too, yes. this is also integrated with the filtering rules
03:48 < SMP> also integrated with this is altq, a packet scheduler / queueing mechanism.
03:49 < SMP> this is something that also exists on Linux, but is not at all integrated with the filtering mechanism
03:49 < SMP> and even less easy to use
03:49 < Mike1> guess i will have to give a deeper look into it
03:50 < SMP> from my point of view, netfilter / iptables stands absolutely no chance
03:50 * Mike1 wants too improve his skills and knowledge of network / servers security
03:51 < SMP> the pfctl program no only loads the rules into the kernel, but makes sure that the rules are all of valid syntax
03:51 < Mike1> as far as now i have been working with netfilter and iptables but i certainly will have a deeper look to pf
03:53 < Mike1> like pfctl -check file-with-rulez?
03:53 < SMP> with iptables you'd write a shellscript with a hundred calls to iptables and then execute it. but if there is an error, it will leave you with an incomplete filter in the kernel
03:54 < Mike1> true
03:54 < SMP> pfctl always has to parse and validate the rules since otherwise the could not be loaded into the kernel
03:55 < SMP> so it does that when you try to load the rules - but there's a "check only, don't load" option, too, of course
03:55 < Mike1> hey thats cool
03:56 < Mike1> gee i really need to get into this
03:56 < SMP> OpenBSD is really great for some uses. and it is even easier to install than ROCK ;)
03:57 < Mike1> nice
03:57 < Mike1> still i have heard NetBSD is better for firewalls / routers , how true is this?
03:58 < SMP> hmm well. I don't know NetBSD..
03:58 < SMP> but OpenBSD stems from NetBSD and they don't differ too much in general
03:59 < Mike1> yeah
03:59 < SMP> but the OpenBSD pf has been written from ground up as a replacement for the ipf
03:59 < SMP> I think NetBSD uses ipf
03:59 < Mike1> how about hardware compatibility ?
04:00 < Mike1> no idea i have never used NetBSD
04:00 < SMP> so ipf does nearly all of what pf can do plus a few other things
04:00 < Mike1> will OpenBSD run on most PC compatible machines?
04:01 < SMP> but ipf is really old code and much less clean IMHO
04:01 < SMP> yes, OpenBSD runs on most PCs I'd say
04:01 < Mike1> good :)
04:01 < SMP> it will be more usable especially on low-end hardware compared to Linux
04:02 < Mike1> mm... i will have to see, but i will trust you on this and give it a try
04:02 < Mike1> SMP: btw what are u doing awake at 4am?
04:02 < SMP> there are a few drawbacks on the very high end
04:03 < SMP> OpenBSD can only run on one processor e.g.
04:03 < SMP> you can't have 4GB RAM I think
04:03 < Mike1> grrrr ok it wont run at home ... :( /me has a dual Athlon XP
04:04 < Mike1> ah well i really don't have control over boxes with that much memory so it wont be a problem, for now
04:04 < SMP> and although it runs XFree4 I think that it will perform worse for high-end graphics
04:05 < Mike1> Xfree is not something i really care about
04:06 < SMP> but then it's a really nice Unix. and Linux stands no chance against it for packet filtering and especiall IPSec
04:06 < Mike1> IPSec ... :)
04:07 < SMP> I use it to run three pf boxes with vlans and also two boxes for IPSec VPN
04:09 < SMP> oh and I'm awake at 4 am because my sleep/wake rhythm is screwed
04:09 < SMP> I got up at 4pm and I'm in the office since 7pm
04:09 < Mike1> wow
04:10 < Mike1> i wake up at 6 - 6:30
04:10 < SMP> which pretty much pisses me off
04:10 < Mike1> have to be at the office at 7:30
04:10 < SMP> you know, we have winter here right now
04:10 < Mike1> yes i know
04:11 < SMP> so I can never see the sunlight
04:11 < Mike1> too much cold for been awake at 4am i can tell
04:11 < Mike1> SMP: i dont see the sunlight for too much neither
04:12 < SMP> too few sunlight gets me lazy and depressed
04:12 < SMP> I felt much better when I regularly got up between 4am and 6am
04:12 < Mike1> lazyness i can uderstand, depression... mm why
04:13 < SMP> only sunlight makes the body produce a certain hormone
04:14 < Mike1> i certainly wish i could have the work scheidule you, i like to work at night better then day i think i am more productive at those times
04:14 < Mike1> yeah i have heard that but i think i am missing it as well as u are
04:15 < SMP> that's certainly right - I like working a nights much more and I'm also more creative then
04:15 < SMP> but I'd really prefer more daylight
04:17 < SMP> I think I will just work until early evening and then go to bed at a normal time
04:18 < Mike1> well once u get used to ur current work scheidule, its really hard to get back to the mortals sleep hours
04:18 < SMP> haha
04:18 < Mike1> :)
04:18 < SMP> I can switch that three times a week
04:19 < SMP> totally fucked up
04:19 < Mike1> it took me a while to get back, i worked at night for almost 1 year
04:21 < Mike1> SMP: it really weird to see u around the chann during my time, i guess i will have to keep staying late to keep getting advices from u :)
04:21 < SMP> if there's something I'm used to then would be constant change..
04:22 < SMP> well, d'oh, I need to get some work done in between ;)
04:23 < Mike1> :) of course
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04:24 < Mike1> what do u think about 1.7 and what the way rock is going to?
04:24 < d3mian> haea!
04:24 < Mike1> d3mian: hi
04:24 < d3mian> tons k
04:25 < Mike1> d3mian: just exchanging ideas with SMP
04:26 < SMP> hm, I'm not really up to date with 1.7 in general. I think that 1.7 is becoming the best ROCK Linux
04:26 < d3mian> i havent taken a look at 1.7 yet, and i wont yet
04:27 < Mike1> SMP: well that depends on the kind of user that will go for it, i have tryed it sometimes and its still really broken but i guess we will have to wait for stable 2.0 and put it for production enviroments
04:28 < SMP> yes of course. it is far from being complete
04:28 < Mike1> d3mian: if u are looking forward to have 1.7 for workstion it wont be worth the time to build it
04:29 < d3mian> worth ? (translate to spanish)
04:29 < Mike1> SMP: untill now my personal 1.5 tree does everything i want, thought my 1.2 and 1.4 boxes are still looking good
04:30 < Mike1> d3mian: que no vale la pena eso quise decir
04:30 < SMP> 1.2?! holy..
04:30 < SMP> I've been running 1.3.11s until a few weeks ago and I thought that was ancient ;)
04:30 < d3mian> why not ?
04:30 < Mike1> SMP: whats the matter? never seen a proxy running rock 1.2 on a 386?
04:31 < Mike1> SMP: ah well :) guess u were wrong
04:31 < Mike1> d3mian: its to broke and unstable
04:31 < SMP> well yes.. 1.2 must have to ton of bugs
04:32 < SMP> er. "a ton"
04:32 < Mike1> d3mian: its only worth the time if u are willing to contribute on getting it to build and become stable sometime
04:32 < d3mian> it is has solution.. anyways i never hope a perfect system.. i could do therest by myself.. but, anyways, i dunt support some 1.7 things.
04:32 < Mike1> SMP: ack yeah but i run its running at friends home network for inet connection
04:32 < SMP> apart from that it has not been maintained for years. so OpenBSD would be the better choice for that 386 machine then ;))
04:33 < Mike1> d3mian: what kind of things_
04:33 < d3mian> devfs.conf
04:33 < d3mian> package management
04:33 < d3mian> mainly that
04:33 < Mike1> SMP: yes i will painfully remove 1.2 from it and load OpenBSD sometime this week
04:33 < Mike1> but i am looking forward to do great things with it and learn lots more
04:34 < Mike1> hope you don't mind if i ask for your advices sometimes ...
04:35 < Mike1> d3mian: you can use tar.bz2 pkg still
04:35 < Mike1> and what is it that u like about Gem Mine?
04:35 < d3mian> umm
04:35 < SMP> I don't mind. I might just not be as easy to reach as right now - as we have discussed earlier ;)
04:36 * Mike1 suddenly remembers SMP and Clifford exchanging ideas for the package manager of 1.7, some months ago
04:36 < d3mian> well, i meant that extensions conversion to separated files.
04:36 < SMP> huh
04:36 < SMP> that has nothing to do with GEM-MINE
04:36 < Mike1> SMP: well then i will just wake up in the middle of the night to try to reach u *g
04:37 < Mike1> d3mian: i'm SMP is right that has nothing to do with package management
04:38 < Mike1> and personally i like it better they way it is now
04:40 < SMP> the "benefit" of having just one file gets lost as soon as you use a patch in an external file e.g.
04:40 < d3mian> u missunderstood... what i meant is i dunt like to have separated files for a package .. those .pz , .cache, i think are innecesary, and we have discussed personally about that :)
04:42 < Mike1> d3mian: ack but as master SMP says once u add a patch in a external file (very common BTW) the "benefit" gets lost
04:43 < Mike1> still as i said before i see no problem with the "new style"
04:43 < d3mian> umm.
04:43 < d3mian> well, u know my opinion
04:44 < SMP> and since the information in .cache files is autogenerated it would be really messy to patch that into one .ext or .whatever file
04:45 < Mike1> d3mian: d3mian you are just  lazy ass that wants it all in a single file :P
04:46 < d3mian> no. i want .desc external (those files are never touched, or patched or whatever)
04:46 < d3mian> as we discussed some time ago
04:47 < d3mian> when u left us
04:47 < d3mian> :p
04:47 < SMP> so.. what is "Tecnica Administrativa" then? ;)
04:48 < d3mian> q Mike1
04:48 < Mike1> SMP: its a a place a friend works at
04:48 < Mike1> SMP: i am currently installing a new linux server for them
04:48 < Mike1> SMP: ROCK Linux server
04:48 < Mike1> they currently run a lame and insecure slackware box
04:50 < d3mian> slackware is not so bad..
04:50 < d3mian> slackware fits as a user-admin distro
04:50 < d3mian> imho
04:51 < d3mian> is it cool for a Uni, for example, my case
04:51 < Mike1> d3mian: ROCK and OpenBSD thats what makes universe move around
04:52 < d3mian> the potyential of rock, is buildinf, imho, if u want a cool server or whatever, a distro wont avoid it, if u know what u do
04:53 < Mike1> d3mian: i just to care about every detail of what i have on my system
04:53 < d3mian> k
04:53 < d3mian> i have to leave now..
04:53 < d3mian> cya
04:53 < Mike1> but Slackware and d3bian are good choices for mortals
04:53 < Mike1> ok cu d3mian
04:53 < SMP> ehehe
04:53 < Mike1> :)
04:53 < d3mian> umm..
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04:54 < Mike1> SMP: i knew u would laught
04:54 < SMP> oh how embarrassing
04:54 < Mike1> SMP: what?
04:54 < SMP> I thought you were on the southern hemisphere
04:55 < SMP> but then I realized that you're on CR and CR might not be :)
04:55 < Mike1> SMP: huh? no what made u think that?
04:55 < SMP> I guess I was confusing you with some guy from South America
04:55 < Mike1> CR is part of central not South America
04:56 < SMP> yes I know. I just looked it up in a map  ;)
04:56 < Mike1> SMP: well yes the community is growing in central south and north america
04:57 < Mike1> mm... so u are tracking my current location ...
04:57 < Mike1> Maps . Tecnica ...
04:57 < SMP> that's cool.. I might move to the Carribean sooner than later :)
04:58 < Mike1> SMP: come over to CR :)
04:59 < Mike1> its a really nice place and yes it has a lot of sunlight for u
04:59 < SMP> heh :>
05:10 < Mike1> yawn
05:12 < Mike1> well SMP i will go now, need some food and sleep
05:13 < Mike1> sleep well, cu later
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07:38 < SMP> "early to bed and early to rise makes a (wo)man tired and grumpy"
07:46 < Lorini> hm.. i didnt hear that
07:47 < Lorini> and i have to go now, byebye
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07:56 < blindcoder>  /away
07:56 < blindcoder> morning
08:01 < Eisofen> moin
08:03 < blindcoder> moin Eisi
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09:04 < blindcoder> mein Freak
09:04 < blindcoder> hmm... okay... I'll hack together a licq-package today...
09:04 < blindcoder> moin Freak
09:04 < blindcoder> that way :)
09:05 < Freak> (=
09:06 < Freak> hi anyways blindcoder ;)
09:10 < blindcoder> when will they ever learn...
09:10 < blindcoder> URIs are 7-Bit encoded!! no goshdarned ; : ( ) or other language specific fuckups!
09:10 < blindcoder> *ARGH*
09:11 < blindcoder> and who has to tell them... me of course... *grrr*
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09:18 < owl> moin, moin
09:20 < blindcoder> moin owl
09:22 < owl> hi blindcoder
09:25 < aszlig> moin
09:25 < aszlig> X-|
09:25 < owl> hi aszlig
09:26 < aszlig> *yawn*
09:26 < aszlig> someone at bitz today?
09:26 < fake> morgen
09:26 < blindcoder> moin aszlig
09:27 < blindcoder> hom's your donkey?
09:27 < aszlig> blindcoder: killed it
09:27 < blindcoder> why?
09:27 < blindcoder> mine is just fine...
09:27 < aszlig> blindcoder: because of the security risks
09:28 < aszlig> blindcoder: and because im not a leecher
09:28 < blindcoder> *lol*
09:28 < aszlig> blindcoder: except i just _need_ something
09:28 < aszlig> and i got that..
09:29 < blindcoder> okay, i see :)
09:29 < blindcoder> well... I almost _always_ need&H&H&H&Hwant something :)
09:29 < blindcoder> s/&/^/g
09:29 < aszlig> ^H *gg*
09:30 < blindcoder> lixe the two Slayers Sound Bibles :)
09:30 < aszlig> harm?
09:30 < owl> haeh? what bibles?
09:30 < blindcoder> The two Sound Bibles (OSTs) of Slayers
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09:31 < aszlig> do you mean "slayers" the band? or just slayers?
09:31 < blindcoder> Slayers Next - The Anime
09:32 < owl> hi grunz... (pig???) aeh isofenE
09:32 < aszlig> blindcoder: oh.. dunno
09:32 < owl> *g* anime... once again... ;P
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09:32 < blindcoder> well, I want them so I get my donkey going :)
09:32 < blindcoder> owl: again? STILL! :)
09:32 < owl> blindcoder: ;)
09:32 < Eisofen> rööö
09:33 < blindcoder> re Eisi
09:33 < blindcoder> be left back
09:34 < aszlig> blindcoder: manga or anime *gg*
09:36 < owl> so.... half-away again... bye
09:37 < aszlig> si jah
09:43 < blindcoder>  aszlig I collect both
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11:14 < blindcoder> moin bluefire
11:14 < bluefire> moin blindcoder
11:15 < blindcoder> okay... let's see if licq compiles...
11:26 < blindcoder> okay... first wait for the whole gnome-pack and kde 30 to compile...
11:31 < Freak> licq has a kde ui as well
11:32 < blindcoder> jepp, I've made it a Config-Option
11:33 < blindcoder> CLI, QT, KDE and GTK
11:33 < Freak> ic
11:33 < Freak> just wanted to make sure :)
11:33 < blindcoder> hehe :)
11:34 < blindcoder> at least it hasn't as much configuration options as nethack >_<
11:34 < Freak> (:
11:37 < blindcoder> had a look at nethack.conf?
11:40 < Freak> nah
11:40 < Freak> but I believe you tho.
11:41 < blindcoder> I wrote it :) that file alone is enough to have a code auditor busy for a week
11:44 < blindcoder> aaah! I should think before I type >_< damn... bad week, this one...
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12:01 < blindcoder> hi tb
12:02 < tb> hi blindcoder
12:05 < blindcoder> brb c0ffee
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12:08 < LocalHero> Hi all
12:12 < blindcoder> hi LocalHero
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12:18 < owl> re
12:18 < owl> urgs.
12:19 < owl> sleeping during a meeting is something what you should not do... ;)
12:23 < blindcoder> re owl
12:23 < blindcoder> hehe it's fine IMHO
12:23 < blindcoder> I've done so, too :)
12:42 < owl> *ggg*
12:42 < owl> damn. i'm tired. where's my bed ? or keyboard...???
12:46 < praenti> anyone compiling rock 1.7 with pentium 3 optimization?
12:46 < owl> praenti: /quit brb.chaning server
12:46 < owl> urgs
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12:48 < owl> re
12:49 < praenti> looks like binutils 2.13.90.0.14 have a problem with it. generic and athlon tbird works fine
12:50 < owl> praenti: hm. the gcc3 compiled fine at your system...?
12:51 < praenti> yes
12:51 * owl had problems with binutils && gcc3 with 20021101-snap
12:51 < owl> (pentium 4)
12:51 < owl> hm...
12:52 < praenti> owl: ohh. thats an old one. there is a problem with the cross-cc. use the cvs. clifford makes at the moment a rev-build.
12:52 < praenti> after that he will release a new snap
12:53 < owl> i c. ok. thx. will have a look to it in some days... (still builing rock-1.5 on my machine ;)
12:56 < owl> ahm. to all "ingolstaedter": is there still a shop which sells jolt cola (in munich, ingolstadt or neuburg)?
12:58 < praenti> i think blincoder has bought his jolt nearly always at the agip station at "ingolstadt nord"
12:58 < owl> praenti: sounds great. thx. that will help to survive the week... :)))
12:58 < praenti> but i dont know it exactly
12:59 < owl> ok. will ask him ;)
13:16 < blindcoder> re
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13:26 < esden> hi all
13:26 < esden> does anyone know how much disk space needs a rock mirror ?
13:26 < esden> ftp
13:28 < blindcoder> hi esden
13:29 < blindcoder> mom
13:29 < blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ du -sh /usr/src/rock-src-1.7/download/
13:29 < blindcoder> 1.2G    /usr/src/rock-src-1.7/download
13:29 < blindcoder> something along these
13:30 < esden> ok I say 4 GB
13:30 < esden> will that be enough ?
13:31 < blindcoder> for now it will...
13:31 < blindcoder> wiss TUM mirror ROCK?
13:31 < esden> hmm ..
13:32 < esden> yes leo org
13:32 < blindcoder> sweet
13:32 < esden> how many people will download this stuff
13:32 < esden> 500 ?
13:33 < blindcoder> nah... don't think so
13:33 < esden> i think I have to invent some numbers
13:33 < esden> 100
13:33 < esden> 50 ?
13:33 < blindcoder> you should have been here yesterday evening
13:33 < esden> aha ?
13:33 < esden> why ?
13:33 < blindcoder> maybe clifford could have given you some numbers
13:34 < esden> no I do not think so
13:34 < esden> I go talk to them
13:34 < esden> cu
13:34 < blindcoder> bye
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14:03 < litost> morn
14:06 < blindcoder> moin litost
14:20 < rolla> re
14:20 < esden> re hi all
14:20 < esden> ok ... we will get the mirror
14:20 < esden> ;-)
14:21 < esden> iso image mirror and sources mirror ;-)
14:21 < esden> but they are not mirroring websites
14:21 < blindcoder> sweet
14:21 < blindcoder> that's fine, I think
14:22 < blindcoder> sources are taking up some more bandwidth
14:24 < esden> yes
14:24 < esden> blindcoder: should I forward you the email that I got ?
14:25 < esden> about the mirror ?
14:25 < blindcoder> forward it to the list, I'd say
14:26 < esden> hmm ... 
14:26 < esden> ok
14:27 < esden> hmm ... no it is in german
14:28 < blindcoder> give it to me, I'll do a translation if you like :)
14:28 < owl> hi esden
14:28 < blindcoder> ro owly
14:28 < blindcoder> s/ro/re/
14:28 < esden> blindcoder: kk then you can decide wether to post it ;-)
14:28 < esden> re owl 
14:29 < esden> bs????@bingo-ev.de ...
14:29 < blindcoder> I'll post it in your name :D
14:29 < blindcoder> 1544
14:29 < esden> :P
14:29 < blindcoder> or no
14:29 < esden> ?
14:29 < blindcoder> blindcoder@scazenger.homeip.net
14:29 < blindcoder> argh
14:29 < blindcoder> blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net
14:30 < esden> blindcoder: mail out
14:32 < blindcoder> esden: hmm... okay, leave it to clifford, I'd say
14:33 < esden> ok ...
14:39 < blindcoder> esden: are you @bitz this evening?
14:40 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@pD9048F28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:41 < capchaos> hi
14:41 < owl> hi capchaos
14:41 < blindcoder> hi cappy
14:42 < capchaos> hello owly, hello blindy
14:42 * capchaos kisses his 'puter
14:43 < blindcoder> why?
14:44 * capchaos happy to be home again
14:44 < blindcoder> what evil has he done to get this severe punishment?
14:44 < capchaos> hehh
14:46 < esden> blindcoder: yes I am
14:46 < esden> I have to bring the box of my parents to roll(f) ;-)
14:47 < blindcoder> esden: I'll take a train earlier today. Could I tell you what and how to do with the Web-Cert so that I can leave again if daMani isn't already there?
14:47 < esden> yes ... if I will understand that ...
14:48 < blindcoder> I feel rather tired the last few days
14:48 < blindcoder> oxay, thanks
14:49 < blindcoder> s/x/k/
14:50 < esden> blindcoder: ohh really ?!?
14:51 < blindcoder> yes, what's so surprising?
14:51 < esden> that you are tired ... that is a normal state ...
14:53 < blindcoder> well... more than usual
14:54 < blindcoder> tired as in: "Don't talk to me or I will kill your first-born child in a Satanic Ritual that I need to ho in order to take over the world but I don't do it because it would be too much hard work involved but I will kill you instead without taking aver the world."
14:55 < blindcoder> that sort of tired
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15:00 < snyke> hm. lol.
15:01 < snyke> debian has burned.
15:01 -!- temr [~pm@pD9E33310.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:01 < temr> hoi
15:02 < blindcoder> hi snyke
15:02 -!- LoriAW [~Lorini@p3EE218A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:02 < blindcoder> hi temr
15:02 < snyke> hi blindcoder
15:02 < snyke> blindcoder: already read?
15:02 < snyke> or better "know"?
15:02 < blindcoder> snyke: mhat?
15:02 < snyke> that debian is on fire
15:02 < blindcoder> hae?
15:03 < snyke> second
15:03 < blindcoder> www.debian.org hardware is on fire?
15:03 < snyke> you know "satie"-server?
15:03 < blindcoder> no
15:03 < snyke> http://webcam.traserv.com/brand.jpg <--- that is it
15:03 < snyke> http://webcam.traserv.com/thumbnails/brand.jpg
15:03 < blindcoder> huh?
15:04 < snyke> that's it
15:04 < snyke> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/adb-20.11.02-000/
15:04 < snyke> here is the full article
15:05 < blindcoder> urks
15:05 < snyke> the comments are the best ;)
15:05 < snyke> "didn't they have a firewall?"
15:06 < blindcoder> hmm... I wonder why it isn't on /. yet :)
15:06 < snyke> dunno
15:07 < snyke> brb
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15:09 < Mike1> moin all
15:10 < blindcoder> moin Mike1
15:10 < capchaos> hiya Miguel
15:10 < Mike1> hi blindy und capy
15:10 < rolla> Mike
15:10 < Mike1> Joel
15:11 < owl> hi Mike1 , rolla
15:11 < rolla> hallo owl
15:11 * Mike1 give a *bear hug* to owlita
15:12 < Mike1> owl good day my friend
15:13 * capchaos wonders if not an M$-hijacked plane crashed into that debian server?
15:14 < Mike1> capchaos: ?
15:14 < capchaos> 15:04 < snyke> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/adb-20.11.02-000/
15:15 < blindcoder>  hehe
15:16 < owl> aszlig: what's wrong with the login to your server...???
15:18 < Mike1> owlita having fun trying to login to aszlig's?
15:18 < blindcoder> *lol*
15:19 * capchaos searches for http://www.google.com/microsoft?q=ms+terror
15:20 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p5080716A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:20 < blindcoder> *LOOOL*
15:21 < snyke> lol
15:22 < Mike1> hehe
15:22 < Mike1> moin hackbard
15:22 < Mike1> m$ terror
15:22 < capchaos> hi hagbard
15:22 < hackbard> capchaos: nah!
15:22 < Mike1> hugbard?
15:22 < capchaos> ;)
15:22 -!- hackbard is now known as qubit_
15:23 < qubit_> moin all
15:24 < [anders]> narf
15:24 < Mike1> huhu [anders]
15:24 * [anders] was not having a good day yesterday with the headache and the cough...
15:24 < [anders]> huhu Mike1, how are things with you then?
15:25 * [anders] now also have SuSE 8.1 installed on the laptop and can now start to work on rock a bit more efficently hopefully..
15:25 < [anders]> (and a 60GB HDD which should help quite a bit...)
15:26 < Mike1> i am great [anders] thanks
15:26 < Mike1> getting o
15:26 < Mike1> getting OpenBSD atm*
15:27 < Mike1> also moving rsync server to another box, my HD is full!!
15:27 < Mike1> 80gb
15:28 < [anders]> Can't get 80GB HDD's for laptops yet.. :)
15:28 < [anders]> 60GB is the max IIRC..
15:29 < Mike1> [anders]: 80gb on my box i ment
15:29 < Mike1> where i run 1.5 rsync
15:29 < [anders]> when IBM's new pixie dust kicks in to manufacturing, should start to see bigger laptop disks, like 48GB one platter disks or maybe 60GB one platter disks..
15:30 < rolla> :)
15:31 < [anders]> Mike1: disk space is always an issue.. the 20 GB disk I used to have was to small and too slow..
15:31 < [anders]> this is an 5400rpm disk, so should have better responsetime..
15:31 < [anders]> :)
15:31 < Mike1> [anders]: hopefully
15:31 < Mike1> [anders]: whats the status on gnome2 tree?
15:32 < Mike1> i have been very busy with a lot of issues
15:32 < [anders]> no further forward as yet..
15:32 < Mike1> ah ok
15:32 < [anders]> I have been busy as well, should be able to start working on it in a little while.. Hoping that work will quieten down a little in the next few days..
15:32 < [anders]> alien:~ # hdparm -tT /dev/hda
15:32 < [anders]> /dev/hda:
15:32 < [anders]>  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.87 seconds =147.13 MB/sec
15:32 < [anders]>  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  3.05 seconds = 20.98 MB/sec
15:33 < [anders]> not bad results for a 2.5" laptop HDD... :)
15:37 < Mike1> nice nice
15:41 < SMP> *yawn*
15:41 < Mike1> SMP: :)
15:41 < blindcoder> morschn SMP
15:41 < Mike1> SMP: i am downloading openbsd 3.2 ...
15:44 < SMP> then you can read the documentation meanwhile ;=)
15:44 < Mike1> SMP: i am already :)
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15:53 < thalerim> moin all
15:53 < blindcoder> moin
16:16 < aszlig> owl: huh?
16:17 < aszlig> owl: forgot your passwd?
16:17 < aszlig> owl: or did john fond it?
16:17 < aszlig> owl: usually it shouldn't
16:18 < owl> aszlig: was zum geier weiss ich...! passwd habe ich ned vergessen!
16:19 < owl> aszlig: ssh_exchange_authentification: Connection closed by remote host.
16:19 < aszlig> owl: huh?
16:19 < aszlig> owl: which version your client is?
16:21 < owl> the same as yesterday... also the same notebook!
16:22 < aszlig> uh..
16:22 < aszlig> erm..
16:26 < fake> re
16:26 < blindcoder> hi fake
16:26 < Mike1> re fake
16:26 < fake> blaeh... sun pci pc... sucks.
16:26 < fake> it's even slower than vmware...
16:27 < blindcoder> is that at all possible?
16:27 < fake> it may be because of the slow Sun WAN
16:28 < fake> the server i started it was in Ratingen
16:28 < fake> it on
16:28 < blindcoder> oh...
16:28 * owl goes home.
16:28 < fake> owl: ssh onto port 22 gives that
16:28 < owl> bye
16:28 < fake> or 442
16:29 < fake> err, 443
16:29 < owl> fake: haeh? i have to connect to 110
16:29 < fake> yes.
16:29 < owl> (ask aszlig for details...)
16:29 < fake> i ask myself for details ;P
16:29 < owl> hm.
16:29 < owl> sorry. no time. and "schnauze voll" will heim. geh heim. bye
16:29 < fake> owl: i got that line wenn i tried to use transconnect
16:29 < owl> (btw, bin ned im zug)
16:30 < owl> i don't use it
16:30 < owl> so. jettz raus.
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16:31 * blindcoder falling asleep...
16:32 < blindcoder> brb
16:36 < blindcoder> re
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17:34 < d3mian> hial
17:34 < tcr> hail d3mian
17:48 < huebi> moin
17:49 < huebi> the release of 1.5.20 comes closer
17:50 < huebi> the boot/root disks for i386/16MB are ready
17:50 < d3mian> hi huebi , tcr
17:50 < d3mian> :)
17:50 < huebi> hi d3mian
17:51 < huebi> but still much to do to get all things right for the release.
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17:51 < huebi> I will be back later
17:52 < huebi> cu
17:52 < d3mian> cya huebi :)
17:52 < tcr> mom huebi
17:53 < tcr> huebi: procps 3.1.1 is out
17:54 < Mike1> huebi:
17:55 < Mike1> PING huebi
17:55 < Mike1> damn :(
18:04 -!- sfritz [~steffen@p50916D11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
18:04 < sfritz> hi
18:05 < Mike1> hi sfritz
18:07 < sfritz> i read about rocklinux and now i want test it on my ibm thinkpad
18:07 < d3mian> do it :)
18:08 < sfritz> but i dont really know which version is the best for my purpose
18:09 < sfritz> what are the differences?
18:11 < sfritz> specially between the generic rocklinux and drock?
18:11 < d3mian> i think there is a 1.5.19 iso somewhere, huebi will release 1.5.20 soon.
18:11 < tcr> hm, you should wait until 1.5.20 will be released
18:11 * Mike1 can't wait to read d3mian answer
18:12 < d3mian> ?
18:12 < Mike1> sfritz: 1.5.20 release is right in the front door and will come up anymoment
18:12 < d3mian> Mike1: which one ?
18:12 < Mike1> d3mian: nevermind thought you would comment about ROCK vs drock
18:13 < d3mian> aeh ?
18:13 < sfritz> so i should use a generic release? not the drock port?
18:13 < Mike1> sfritz: what exactly do you need?
18:14 < sfritz> i use this laptop for coding and browsing
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18:15 < Mike1> i use generic ROCK for everything, but drock brings a few more packages for workstation stuff, such as abiword, gnumeric
18:15 < Mike1> but this can be added to generic ROCK as well
18:15 < sfritz> sometimes i need some "office" applications
18:15 < sfritz> when i get .doc files from friends
18:16 < Mike1> sfritz: well no matter if they come with the distro or not it is still really easy to install for eg. openoffice
18:16 < sfritz> no problem
18:17 < Mike1> also dROCK tree has not been updated since 1.6.1 was released as the maintainer is now taking care of 1.7 mostly
18:17 < Mike1> so my suggestions is that you wait for generic ROCK 1.5.20
18:17 < sfritz> ok
18:22 < sfritz> some of the packages must be really uptodate, cause it's a new laptop
18:23 < sfritz> i've found a packages list, of the latest development snapshot, but where can i find the packages included in the stable version
18:40 < sfritz> where are you from?
18:41 < Mike1> i am from Costa RIca
18:41 -!- blindcod1r [~blindcode@p50801106.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
18:41 < Mike1> ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/ROCK/ROCK-1.5/
18:42 < sfritz> thx
18:44 < sfritz> when will v1.7 go stable?
18:45 < sfritz> should i wait?
18:46 < Mike1> sfritz: there is not a close for it
18:46 < Mike1> 1.7 is under heavy development at the moment
18:46 < sfritz> because on the page it says 4Q 2002 ...
18:47 < Mike1> i wouldnt bet on that
18:47 < sfritz> :)
18:47 < Mike1> go for 1.5
18:47 < sfritz> k
18:48 < sfritz> how many developers are currently working on rock
18:48 < Mike1> Official developers: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery/
18:48 < Mike1> but there are many other un official developpers
18:49 < Mike1> that contribute with patches and testing
18:51 -!- LoriAW is now known as Lorini
18:52 < Mike1> hi Lorini :)
18:56 < Lorini> hi Mike1
18:56 * Lorini is dead
18:58 < Mike1> no dont die
18:58 * capchaos has reincarnated Lorini *puhh* ;-)
18:59 < Mike1> :)
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18:59 < Lorini> thanks darling :)
19:03 < capchaos> :>
19:07 < SMP> "It is interesting to note that the autumn leaves falling on the northern hemisphere affects the angular momentum enough to change the Earths rotational rate measurably."
19:07 < SMP> this is soo sick..
19:08 < Mike1> lol
19:09 < sfritz> :)
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19:59 < rolla> re
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20:14 < owl> re
20:14 < capchaos> Griaz di, owlita.
20:14 < Lorini> hi owl
20:15 < owl> hi Lorini, capchaos
20:15 < owl> wie geht's?
20:15 < Lorini> gut gehts :)
20:15 < capchaos> guad
20:15 < owl> *g* mathe ueberlebt?
20:15 < capchaos> selbst?
20:15 < owl> wieder gut... nach koffein-einfluss... danke ;)
20:15 < Lorini> ähm naja.. ich muss heute noch ziemlich was machen (dabei bin ich doch erst vor ner stunde ausser uni gekommen...ts)
20:16 * capchaos needs coffee, *argh*
20:16 * Lorini needs sleep
20:16 < owl> *g*
20:16 < Lorini> und ne warme decke
20:16 < owl> hehe :)
20:16 * capchaos mutiert zur decke
20:16 < Lorini> *schnapp*
20:16 * owl needs a rock-1.5 dev to ask a question...
20:16 < owl> *lol*
20:16 < Lorini> *einwickel*
20:17 < Lorini> so
20:17 < Lorini> danke :)
20:17 < capchaos> :)
20:17 < Lorini> *aufwärm*
20:17 < capchaos> owl: don't ask to ask, just ask.
20:18 < Mike1> re
20:18 < capchaos> there he comes :)
20:18 < owl> ok.
20:19 < owl> "What printer spooler do you prefer to use with Elm? [] Please give the full path name" << if i'm doing ./scripts/Build-All COPY
20:19 < Mike1> * owl needs a rock-1.5 dev to ask a question...
20:20 < owl> how can i continue building rock-1.5...?
20:20 < Mike1> mom
20:21 < owl> and in rock-1.7-cvs there r some checksum failures (and some other failures)... (when will it be fixed)?
20:22 < Mike1> owl: 1.7 well i don't know depends on when rene fix his packages
20:22 < Mike1> as well cloiff has several broken packages
20:23 < Mike1> owl: regarding your build if you aborted it you simply need to re-run ./scripts/Build-All COPY
20:23 < Mike1> or LINK
20:23 < Mike1> depending on what you are using
20:23 < SMP> touch _nodel_
20:23 < owl> i didn't abort (yet)
20:24 < rolla> Owl
20:24 < owl> ih rolla
20:24 < Mike1> SMP: touch _nodel_ is no longer needed since 1.5.17
20:24 < Mike1> as it doesnt clean up by default
20:24 < SMP> oh I remember vaguely
20:24 < owl> but why asks me elm questions during building?
20:24 < Mike1> SMP: i remeber clearly :)
20:24 < owl> hi SMP, btw
20:25 < Mike1> SMP: sleeped all?
20:25 < SMP> mainly because elm sucks
20:25 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder
20:25 < Mike1> owl: theres your answer :)
20:25 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
20:25 < Mike1> hi blindcoder
20:25 < owl> *g* well. broken elm == normal elm? well
20:25 < owl> hi blindy
20:26 < Lorini> hallöchen blindcoder
20:26 < SMP> Mike1: slept a few hours before noon. snugged into an armchair in the office
20:27 < owl> aeh. thx btw for the help
20:27 < Mike1> SMP: i already tried installing OpenBSD but it gives me an error of unkown hd label
20:27 < blindcoder> wow! Today I've got my first Spam Mail @Home :)
20:27 < SMP> at what point? in fdisk or disklabel?
20:28 < blindcoder> Lorini: Hi! How's math? *g*
20:29 < Mike1> SMP: fdisk
20:29 < Lorini> blindcoder: grauenhaft (keine ahnung was das in englisch heißt)
20:29 < tcr> terrible?
20:29 < tcr> horrible?
20:29 < SMP> Mike1: do you want to use the whole disk?
20:30 < Mike1> ack
20:30 < Mike1> its a 8GB hd
20:30 < Lorini> ja.. so in etwa, nur schlimmer
20:30 < tcr> cruelly ;)
20:30 < SMP> then answer yes and the installer will do the fdisk automagiacally
20:30 < tcr> brb
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20:30 < Lorini> :)
20:30 < Mike1> SMP: answer yes where??
20:31 < blindcoder> Lorini: okay, I shourdn't have ankei :)
20:31 < blindcoder> asked
20:31 < blindcoder> checking for vector.h... no
20:31 < blindcoder> configure: error: You need to have the libstdc++ headers installed
20:31 < blindcoder> nice...
20:31 < Lorini> *g* exactly
20:31 < Mike1> SMP: "  Do you want to use *all* of wd0 for OpenBSD? [no] yes" ???
20:31 < blindcoder> Lorini: do you feel better if I tell you that my day was horrible, too?
20:32 < SMP> Mike1: exactly. what happens then?
20:32 < Lorini> blindcoder: a bit :)
20:32 < Mike1> SMP: mom i will try
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20:33 < blindcoder> Lorini: okay, my day was horrible >_<
20:33 < Lorini> blindcoder: lol...
20:33 < Lorini> and now the truth ;)
20:33 < blindcoder> it was boring as hell
20:34 < Lorini> boring.. i wish my days were only boring
20:34 < blindcoder> why?
20:34 < blindcoder> nothing worse than a boring day
20:34 < Lorini> because my days are long (!) and boring :)
20:35 < Lorini> brb
20:35 < blindcoder> okay
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20:39 < Lorini> re
20:39 < blindcoder>  re
20:41 < Mike1> SMP: ok it gave me a flood of errors but i am at the disklabel now
20:42 < Mike1> i will continue the procedure to see what happends
20:42 < SMP> yup
20:43 < SMP> brb
20:43 < Mike1> SMP: funny thing if i run 'p m' i don't get as much info as i see on the Install Guide sample
20:44 < SMP> which file / URL is that?
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20:46 * blindcoder shouldn't watch this much Anime...
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20:46 < d3mian> re
20:46 < owl> re d3mian
20:46 < blindcoder> hi d3mian
20:46 < Mike1> SMP: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html
20:47 < SMP> what's missing?
20:47 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p5080716A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:48 < Mike1> SMP: everything before:
20:48 < Mike1>   #        size   offset    fstype   [fsize bsize   cpg]
20:48 < Mike1>     a: 17593.2M  1498.7M    unused        0     0
20:48 < Mike1>     c: 19092.9M     0.0M    unused        0     0
20:48 < Mike1>     i:  1498.7M     0.0M     MSDOS
20:49 < Mike1> thats sort more or less the only info i get when i run 'p m'
20:50 < SMP> oh yes. probably the FAQ is outdated there.
20:50 * d3mian installed FreeBSD weekend
20:50 < SMP> I never saw the missing lines. they're not at all important
20:50 < Mike1> SMP: ok :)
20:52 < Mike1> SMP: i think my problem is that the hd has several demaged sectors
20:54 * Mike1 is looking for another hd
20:54 < SMP> well it should work anyway, but ...
20:54 < Mike1> mm...
20:58 < Mike1> SMP: i am using another hd now i am not getting any errors with this one
20:58 < d3mian> cya
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21:01 < Mike1> SMP: hehe erasing data ...
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21:03 < owl> hi Freak
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21:07 < Freak> huhu
21:07 < Mike1> Freak: :)
21:07 < Mike1> SMP: ok i am choosing instalation media
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21:18 < hackbard> huebi: bist du da?
21:18 < Mike1> hallo hackbard
21:18 < hackbard> hi miguel
21:18 < Mike1> hackbard: huebi has been away for a while now
21:18 < Mike1> :((
21:18 < hackbard> ohh, ic
21:20 < hackbard> looks like i have to google for obp ;)
21:20 < Mike1> weeee!! OpenBSD is finally installing :)
21:21 * Mike1 *jumping*
21:25 < owl> *yawning*
21:25 < owl> hi hackbard
21:26 * Lorini has finished maths... for today
21:26 < fake> grml
21:27 < fake> devfs is broken in 2.5.48
21:27 < fake> the format of atime,ctime and mtime seem have changed
21:29 < hackbard> hey owl
21:29 < hackbard> fake!
21:31 < SMP> re
21:32 < Mike1> re SMP
21:35 < Mike1> lucy# uname -a
21:35 < Mike1> OpenBSD lucy.informatica.co.cr 3.2 GENERIC#25 i386
21:35 < Mike1> lucy#
21:36 < SMP> you might want to use ksh instead of csh if you're used to bash
21:36 < Mike1> any of then works fine for me
21:36 < Mike1> let me see ksh ..
21:45 < fake> hi hackbard !
21:46 < fake> oh... the times in fs.h are now timespec, and no longer time_t, because xfs supports nanosecond granularity ;)
21:46 -!- capchaos is now known as anakin^slayer
21:47 < blindcoder>   It's always the same with women  *shakes head*
21:47 < Lorini> huch?
21:48 -!- anakin^slayer is now known as capcha0s
21:48 < blindcoder> Lorini: I'm watching Azumanga Daioh, so don't worry :)
21:49 < blindcoder> and just laughing my a$$ off :)
21:49 < Lorini> ;)
21:50 < blindcoder> okay, firing up the next episode...
21:57 < hackbard> yo fake, weisst du zufaellig wie man sich retten kann, wenn man beim 'open boot prom' input-device auf none gestellt hat?
21:59 -!- d3mian [~capone@208.165.55.133] has joined #rocklinux
21:59 * d3mian listens Static X - Black And White
21:59 < d3mian> hial
22:01 < fake> hehe
22:01 * fake just patched devfs in 2.5.48
22:01 < fake> hackbard: ein system bootet doch noch, oder?
22:02 * d3mian listens Therion - Wine of Alugah
22:03 * capcha0s listens to Iced Earth - Burning Oasis ;-)
22:03 < d3mian> ;-) capcha0s
22:04 < fake> hackbard: if you have one running, there is a tool called 'eeprom'
22:04 < fake> with that you can re-set it
22:06 < hackbard> fake: no, the kernel gets tranfered via tftp, but thewn it stops saying: inconsistent console: input 3, output 0.
22:07 < hackbard> obp doesnt know 'none' ... i just thought if i set it, it will boot wothout keyboard attached %)
22:07 * Freak doesn't currently play any music
22:07 < Freak> (kommt e bissl spät.. abr smusst sei)
22:07 < d3mian> poor Freak
22:07 < hackbard> terrible mistake, i ll try via serial tommorrow
22:07 < hackbard> have to leave, later ..
22:07 < d3mian> cya hackbard
22:08 < Freak> well its not actually correct because I have a cd spinning in my cdplayer and the headphones on high volume..
22:08 * d3mian listens Moonspell - Nocturna
22:08 < fake> hackbard: yes, unplug keyboard, attach serial...
22:09 * Mike1 listens to his boss yelling to guy he will definitly fire...
22:10 < d3mian> poor Mike1
22:10 < d3mian> what are u gonna do now ?
22:10 < Mike1> d3mian: i am not the guy
22:10 < d3mian> hehe
22:10 < d3mian> sure , jk
22:10 < d3mian> ;-)
22:10 < Mike1> d3mian: i wil just sit, relax and listen
22:10 < d3mian> they wont fire u!, i guess
22:10 < d3mian> they need u as one needs sex
22:10 < Mike1> no they wont
22:11 < fake> monks don't need sex...
22:11 < Mike1> but i will leave this company sometime next year i guess
22:11 < d3mian> as u want
22:12 < Mike1> d3mian: always
22:12 < Mike1> :)
22:13 * d3mian listens Moonspell - Love crimes
22:13 * blindcoder shouldn't watch this anime or he will definately die...
22:14 * capcha0s listens to Soulfly - Jumpdafsckup
22:15 < Mike1> blindcoder: what anime?
22:15 < blindcoder> Azumanga Daioh
22:15 < d3mian> this spim (MIPS simulator) suckz a lot
22:15 < d3mian> :'(
22:16 < owl> re
22:17 < blindcoder> I have so far watched 7 eps and it's already one of the funniest ones I've seen next to Love Hina and Jungle wa itsumo Hale nochi Guu
22:17 < blindcoder> re ewly
22:17 < d3mian> hi owl !
22:17 < blindcoder> owly
22:17 < owl> ;) remoin d3mian, blindcoder
22:18 < blindcoder> but now I have to go to bed >_< need to get up in 7 hours again...
22:18 < blindcoder> n8 everyone!!
22:18 < owl> blindcoder: gn8. have fun at work tomorrow ;PPP
22:18 < d3mian> cya blindcoder !
22:19 < Lorini> nacht!
22:19 < d3mian> hi Lorini
22:20 -!- d3mian is now known as capone
22:20 < capone> fake: have u used a MIPS simulator before ?
22:21 < Mike1> owlita status of ur 1.5 build?
22:21 < fake> capone: nope.
22:21 < fake> 7 hrs of sleep... how luxury.
22:21 < Mike1> capone: fake uses the real thing :)
22:22 < capone> k
22:22 < owl> Mike1: compiling... somewhere where openssl seems to be used :)
22:22 < Mike1> owl: stage?
22:22 < Mike1> i guess 3
22:22 < Lorini> hi capone :)
22:22 < owl> i don't know... can
22:23 < owl> t see any messages right now
22:23 < Mike1> ok owly
22:23 < capone> my first prob will be a MIPS compressor
22:23 < capone> prob/prog
22:24 < capone> using Huffman trees
22:24 < capone> what i like of MIPS is the veriety of branches
22:25 < Mike1> y los pericos y demas pajaros subidos en las ramas?
22:25 < Mike1> *gggg*
22:25 < capone> hehe
22:26 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082BF18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:26 < tsa> moin
22:26 < capone> hi tsa
22:26 < owl> moinsen tsa
22:26 < Mike1> moin tsa
22:26 * Mike1 ready to launch a new build
22:28 * owl needs a strong, black espresso... *dreaming*
22:30 < tsa> .oO( owl needs a strong, black man.. )
22:30 < tsa> *duck*
22:30 < capone> umm
22:33 < owl> tsa: nope. just a black computer... with great design and fast... uhm...
22:33 < Mike1> and a black man for chair
22:33 < owl> Mike1: nope.
22:34 < Mike1> *ggggg*
22:34 < owl> i don't need a man, i need a hacker ;) (but not a black one...)
22:36 < capone> why dunt ?
22:36 < owl> but... might i should try to become a member of M$ staff... M$ pays well... so i could buy a man... *thinking* *vbeg*
22:36 < Mike1> owl: tsa is a hacker
22:36 < owl> not tsa  ;P
22:36 < tsa> Mike1: nope, i'm a script-kiddie ;-)))
22:36 < Mike1> owl M$ no M$ member have enought money to buy a real hacker
22:37 < owl> tsa: full ACK
22:37 < tsa> owl: thanks.
22:37 < owl> Mike1: hm. i have no money. :)
22:37 < owl> tsa: buedde. gern geschehen. hat mich nix gekostet
22:38 < tsa> ..noch nicht.
22:38 < owl> tsa: wie meinen sie das?
22:38 < Mike1> owl buy me a house and i waranty you tsa will be urs
22:38 < owl> *lol* no. no. and finally: no+
22:39 < Lorini> lol
22:40 < owl> Lorini: help me! protest gegen die boese maennerwelt ;)
22:40 < Mike1> i knew you would like my deal
22:40 < Lorini> *mitprotest*
22:40 < owl> *g*
22:40 < owl> Mike1: no.
22:40 < Mike1> tsa: packa ur stuff you are moving with owl
22:40 < Mike1> *gggg*
22:40 < tsa> Mike1: ARRRRGH! NO!
22:40 < owl> *lol*
22:40 * capone waiting for Mike1 ..
22:41 < tsa> Mike1: AFAIK, owl was _your_ sex slave and not mine,..
22:41 < Mike1> tsa: oh sorry my friend i am confused
22:41 < owl> TSA!!!!
22:41 < Mike1> capone: is the one that wants owl
22:41 < tsa> owl: hm?
22:41 < owl> tstststs.
22:42 < tsa> owowowow.
22:42 < owl> tsa: ruhe da! das ist geheim...! ;P
22:42 < capone> umm. http://evilsoft.homelinux.net/~demian/
22:42 < capone> oh sure, i love owl like God loves mankind
22:42 < capone> right owl  ?
22:42 < capone> hehe
22:42 < owl> god???
22:42 < owl> /whois god?
22:42 < capone> the one who did u!
22:42 -!- Mike1 is now known as God
22:43 < God> i am God
22:43 < capone> the one who did the mistake of create a woman.. :-/
22:43 < owl> *lol* nonono. all boys r crazy here...
22:43 < God> capone: i dont make mistakes
22:43 < God> i just do testing and not all tests are successfull
22:43 < capone> umm.
22:43 < tsa> hm...nice chick on this page..
22:43 < capone> u just have fun here
22:44 -!- God is now known as Mike1
22:44 < Mike1> God has spoke
22:44 < capone> re Mike1
22:44 < capone> who cares
22:44 < capone> hehe
22:44 < Mike1> capone: i care
22:45 < Mike1> God is the reason of my existence
22:45 < tsa> where can i order this chick?
22:45 < capone> tsa: gimme $1000 and we will negotiate
22:45 < Mike1> tsa: VISA, MASTERCARD, or Paypal? how will you pay?
22:45 < tsa> Mike1: i'll be the reason of you disappearing, then ;-)
22:45 < capone> lo
22:45 < capone> l
22:45 < Mike1> tsa: i doub so
22:46 < tsa> Mike1: send all cute chicks to me and i won't harm you, ok? ;)
22:46 < Mike1> capone will you face the responsability for qubit_'s pregnacy?
22:47 < capone> who is qubit ?
22:47 < tsa> Mike1 will you face the responsability for owl's pregnacy?
22:47 < Lorini> good night everybody
22:47 < owl> EH!!!
22:47 < owl> bye Lorini
22:47 < owl> have fun with maths ;)
22:47 < Mike1> tsa: of course not that kid is urs
22:47 < capone> cya Lorini
22:47 < tsa> cu Lorini
22:47 < Mike1> nacht Lorini
22:47 < Lorini> owl: argh..
22:47 < Lorini> cya
22:47 < owl> Lorini: haha *eg*
22:47 -!- Lorini is now known as LoriZzZ
22:48 < capone> owl: how do u feel about be the focus point here ?
22:48 < owl> capone: *g* should i care about it? nope.
22:48 < capone> hehe
22:48 * Mike1 grabs his shotgun ..
22:49 < owl> Mike1: will you kill yourself?
22:49 < tsa> capone: owl likes to have many men...so i guess she probably likes it ;-) *duck*
22:49 < Mike1> ocus pocus focus *BUMMM* capone's head is gone
22:49 < owl> Mike1: *g* one boy less on this world. who cares?
22:49 < capone> :'(
22:49 < owl> oh, poor capone ;P
22:49 < capone> a girl spoke!. who cares ?
22:50 < owl> *g* you - you answered
22:50 < litost> well, one less man will improve my odds :)
22:50 < litost> no offense capone ;)
22:50 < capone> one man less, give more chance others to get more girls
22:50 < Mike1> hi litost
22:51 < litost> what's up Miguel
22:51 < owl> hi litost.
22:51 < Mike1> less man more gays that will imporve chances for getting chicks
22:51 < Mike1> litost: the sky, there?
22:51 < litost> it's a little dreary
22:51 < fake> grml.
22:52 < litost> how are you owl?
22:52 < owl> litost: great. thx. you? wanna get "sick of it all" mp3s?
22:52 < litost> yes please :)
22:52 < esden> n8 ;-)
22:52 < Mike1> hi esdy
22:53 < esden> hi Mike1 and good night
22:53 < capone> n8 esden
22:53 < Mike1> nacht esdy
22:53 * -> esden driving to DHR 
22:53 < owl> bye, gn8 esden
22:53 < owl> esden: do you still need rock-1.7.src-cdroms?
22:53 < esden> nope
22:53 < owl> great
22:54 < owl> litost: do you still know the url...?
22:54 < litost> yes :)
22:55 < litost> i'm sucking your throughput as we speak
22:55 < rolla> bored
22:55 < owl> litost: no problem.
22:55 < Mike1> rolla hug owl
22:55 < owl> aaaaaaaahrg
22:56 < rolla> no I will not
22:56 < Mike1> hehe
22:56 < owl> thx a lot rolla
22:56 < Mike1> rolla: run a new build
22:56 < rolla> too much pain
22:57 < owl> rolla: :P
22:57 < rolla> I am installing .Net studio right now :(
22:57 < tsa> waaaaaaaaah!
22:57 < rolla> you want me to hug you?
22:57 < owl> rolla: haha! i feel with you...
22:57 < Mike1> 0_o
22:58 < capone> bah. damn spim, causes segfaults :(
23:00 < capone> Mike1: what list of projects then? ill be available after november 28
23:02 < Mike1> capone: finish Tratagua first please, then we will go for some development
23:03 < capcha0s> n8
23:03 -!- capcha0s [~capchaos@pD9048F28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("There is no spoon.")
23:03 < Mike1> have you got in contact with satg already?
23:03 < Mike1> capone: can you come by to San Jose today?
23:04 < Mike1> join me at satg's office we will get some food talk about projects
23:04 < fake> swsup still does not work -_-
23:09 < capone> Mike1: no, i cant, till 27 or later, too busy
23:09 < capone> :(
23:09 < capone> Mike1: no yet
23:10 < Mike1> capone: arrggg
23:11 < capone> really, i cant.
23:11 < Mike1> ok ask me again about the projects status when you are available
23:11 < capone> sure
23:17 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ppp-0-25.bris-b-1.access.uk.tiscali.com] has joined #rocklinux
23:17 < capone> hi WKaibigan
23:17 < WKaibigan> Hi capone
23:17 * fake debugging swsup... brb.
23:21 < Mike1> capone: have you seen Sarah Cheaib at hdw today?
23:22 < capone> Sarah ? well no... last time i was arriving when she was leaving
23:22 < capone> and i dunt see her since a long time
23:22 < Mike1> :( ok thanks
23:24 < litost> see you guys later, have a good day
23:24 < capone> cya litost
23:24 -!- litost [~user@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu] has quit ("school")
23:24 < capone> Mike1: i still dunno who is sarah, who is her ?
23:24 * capone stills think she is Syrx sister :p
23:30 < tsa> n8
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