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00:00 < owl> hm. and "intel speedstep" (pentium 4) would be also great to know how to set and so on...
00:00 < aszlig> re
00:00 < aszlig> was kicked out..
00:00 < owl> *set cpufreq and so on, i mean
00:00 < owl> hm.
00:01 < aszlig> owl: oh, erm, without sleep states..
00:01 < owl> aszlig: hm. bad
00:14 < esden> n8 
00:15 * -> esden -> bed
00:15 < owl> gn8 esden
00:18 < aszlig> n8 esden
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01:32 < akira> re
01:33 < akira> someone awake with explicit devfs skills? :)
01:33 < owl> akira: ja. na ja.
01:34 < owl> akira: was willste wissen. frag' einfach. vielleicht noch jemand wach && skilled genuch
01:34 < akira> hehe
01:34 < akira> also, ich hab 2 probleme (grafik laeuft erstmal wieder)
01:34 < owl> hm. ja.. und weiter?
01:34 < akira> 1. (wichtiger) ich habin meinem /dev/scsi keine host* eintraege
01:34 < akira> 2. sound laeuft noch nich
01:35 < owl> hm. scsi kenne ich mich nicht wirklich mit aus... sorry
01:35 < owl> 2. sound - was läuft ned?
01:35 < akira> sound
01:35 < akira> ton .. es toenet nicht
01:35 < akira> :)
01:36 < owl> akira: ach so. ich dachte schon der sound ginge nicht
01:36 < akira> :)
01:36 < akira> ich krieg genausowenig entries im /dev/sound wie im /dev/scsi
01:36 < owl> hmmmm...
01:36 < owl> hast du alsa?
01:36 < akira> nein
01:36 < owl> OSS?
01:36 < akira> moecht ich auch vermeiden ehrlich gesagt
01:36 < akira> ja
01:37 < akira> die normalen linuxkernel treiber fuer die emu10k1
01:37 < owl> hm. modprobe?
01:37 < akira> funktioniert
01:37 < akira> vor devs hat auch alles getoent
01:38 < owl> aeh. *hust* ja. mag sein,, dass es mit einer anderen distri lief.... hast du emul0kl als modul oder statisch?
01:38 < akira> modul
01:38 < owl> modprobe modulname
01:38 < owl> scon mal ausprobiert?
01:38 < akira> ist drinnen
01:38 < owl> hm.
01:38 < akira> genauso wie die scsi module
01:39 < akira> aber nix im /dev/* angezeigt
01:39 < owl> hmmmm...
01:39 < akira> ich kann mit scsidev eintraege im /dev/scsi erzeugen .. aber das ist scheisse und inkosistent .. wozu hab ich denn devfsd
01:40 < owl> hmmm... sorry. kann ich dir auch ned weiterhelfen.
01:41 < akira> dank dir
01:41 < owl> aeh. fuer was?
01:41 < akira> ich verstehs echt nicht ...
01:41 < akira> owl: fuers kurze zuhoeren
01:43 < owl> akira: ich auch ned. egal. machste des system eben platt. und kiffst oder saeufst dich weg oder so. hat eh mehr sinn
01:44 * owl headbangt zu: crematory - wounds
01:45 < akira> aha
01:45 * akira schalted tool wieder ein
01:45 < owl> akira: huh? tool???
01:45 < akira> na sicher
01:45 < akira> seh ich aus wie ... weiss auch nich? :)
01:45 < owl> wtf is "tool"? habe ich was verpasst
01:46 < akira> www.toolband.com
01:47 < owl> muhahahaha! "THE END IS NEAR..." << klingt gut :)
01:47 < owl> welche musik? gothic, metal...???
01:47 < akira> limewire dirs
01:48 < akira> oder geh zu www.laut.de -> such dir tool raus, die haben hoerproben
01:48 < owl> akira: urgs. noch mehr leechen? mit isdn... *hust* ned wirklihc...
01:49 < owl> negativitaet. was gutes... ;)))
01:50 < akira> owl: du hast was verpasst wenn du tool nicht kennst oder nicht kennenlernen willst
01:51 < owl> akira: nicht kennenlernen wollen - *lol* daran liegt's ned. aber ich muss noch einiges leechen... na ja.
01:52 < akira> das ist alles unwichtig
01:53 < akira> http://www.laut.de/lautstark/cd-reviews/t/tool/lateralus/index.htm
01:53 < owl> akira: muhahaha! ah ja. was ist dann wichtig?
01:53 < akira> tool
01:53 < akira> ?
01:54 < owl> ah ja... glaube mir, es gibt wichtigeres. (mir faellt da spontan ein: notebook && linux fsken,
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02:49 < ak|ra> hello
02:49 < owl> huh? ak|ra again?
02:49 < owl> rehi
02:50 < ak|ra> of coz
02:50 < ak|ra> the prblem isnt gone
02:50 < owl> ak|ra: the people understanding devfs are not awake, too, i guess
02:59 < owl> ak|ra: http://mirrors.kernel.org/LDP/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/categories.html  << wenn du's noch ned gewusst hast
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07:57 < blindcoder> moin
08:05 < Lorini> moin
08:05 < Lorini> und bye :)
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08:16 < blindcoder>  moin paperclip
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09:47 < owl> good morning
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10:16 < blindcoder>  moin
10:17 < blindcoder> I hate SIEMENS >_<
10:24 < owl> hi blindcoder
10:27 < owl> why r u hating siemens? if you don't want the money you get from then, you can send it to my account at "stadtsparkasse" thank you in advance
10:28 < blindcoder> owl: I don't get my money from SIEMENS, so I may hate them :P
10:29 < owl> blindcoder: ah so. i forgot... external..
10:29 < blindcoder> jepp :)
10:30 < blindcoder> tht simple fact also saves me from numerous leaflets that currently get handed out to employees
10:30 < owl> haha ;P
10:31 < owl> which leaflets? "you right is - aeh. - you have no rights" - leaflet of employees who r working at siemens?
10:32 < blindcoder> something like that... It's about the layoffs currently happening at ICN
10:33 < owl> urgs. that really suckz
10:34 < blindcoder> Well... it doesn't affect me directly since the contract of my employer is with SBS :D
10:34 < owl> ;)
10:36 < owl> but firing employees = shit
10:37 < blindcoder> sure... but I don't really knoy details... just Rumors, hearsay and speculatiens
10:37 < blindcoder> and I can't type anymore again
10:38 < owl> hm.
10:39 * owl needs more cappuccino! CAFFEEINE!
10:40 < blindcoder> Please decide: Cappu or Caffeine?
10:52 < owl> cappu with caffeine inside
10:53 < blindcoder> so you throw some coffies into it?
11:08 < blindcoder> urks... even the DNS-Servers here suck
11:09 < blindcoder> http://intranet.icn.siemens.de.
11:09 < blindcoder> Unable to determine IP address from host name for intranet.icn.siemens.de
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11:21 < blindcoder> moin hackbard
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11:25 < akira_> moin
11:25 < akira_> hallo th_
11:29 < aszlig> blindcoder: uff...
11:29 < aszlig> blindcoder: wtf has konfigured the dns?
11:30 < aszlig> blindcoder: a wonder if it finds siemens.de *gg*
11:31 < aszlig> blindcoder: oh.. but axfr's are disallowed ;)
11:31 < blindcoder> aszlig: hi. axfr's?
11:31 < blindcoder> hi akira
11:31 < akira_> hei blindcoder
11:32 < akira_> blindcoder: devfsguru? :)
11:32 < blindcoder> akira_: Guru waere zuviel gesagt... worum gehts?
11:32 < akira_> hehe
11:33 < akira_> ok, ich hab jetzt devfs zum laufen gekriegt, aber nur, da ich sowohl scsi als auch usb hart in den kernel compiliert habe, was ich eigentlich vermeiden wollte
11:33 * blindcoder hates commenting/documenting/cleaning up code. Who cares anyway? it works...
11:33 < blindcoder> akira_: welche kernel-version?
11:33 < akira_> problem war gestern / heute nacht / heute frueh :) dass er kein /dev/scsi und kein /dev/usb beim modproben der scsi / usb-storage module angelegt hat
11:34 < akira_> ich wuerde jetzt gerne wissen wieso -> kernel 2.4.19
11:34 < akira_> neuestes devfs
11:34 < akira_> neuestes devfsd
11:35 < blindcoder> hmm... ich hab nie probiert scsi als Modul zu betreiben... und USB hab ich bis heute noch kein einziges Gereat gehabt...
11:35 < akira_> achja, sound wurde auch nicht beim modprobe angelegt
11:35 < blindcoder> aber fuer mich klingt das noch nem bug in denentsprechenden modulen
11:35 < akira_> NVdriver hingegen haben ihren eintrag bekommen
11:35 < blindcoder> hmm.. sound ging bei mir... warte mal eben
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11:36 < akira_> der grund, warum ich dann den kram hartcompiliert habe war der, dass das ide-interface im devfs vollstaendig erkannt wurde -> und der ide kram war schon hartcompiliertdrinnen
11:42 < blindcoder>  hmm... hast du alle noetigen SCSI-Module geladen? scsi-Karte, Scsi-generic und scsi-(cdrom|tape|disc)?
11:42 < akira_> ja
11:42 < akira_> eigentlich schon
11:42 < akira_> in der /etc/modules.devfs ist ja scsi_hostadapter deklariert
11:43 < blindcoder> mhm
11:43 < akira_> und in /etc/modules.conf hab ich dann ein probeall scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx gemacht
11:43 < blindcoder> hast du noch nen lsmod ausdruck rumliegen?
11:43 < akira_> was zum laden aller benoetigten scsi module gefuehrt hat
11:43 < akira_> blindcoder: immo nich, bin froh das das jtzt laeuft
11:43 < blindcoder> sowie den output der modprobes?
11:43 < akira_> hat mir den ganzen gestrigen abend und die nacht versaut
11:44 < blindcoder> glaub ich dir :)
11:44 < akira_> blindcoder: das alle mods richtig geladen waren sah ich daran, dass ich mit scsidev genau die alten eintraege in /dev/scsi erzeugen konnte und die hardware auch 1:1 ansprechen konnt
11:45 < blindcoder> du wolltest die Module also automatisch laden lassen wenn du sie brauchst und danach wieder entladen?
11:46 < akira_> neinjasoinderart
11:46 < blindcoder> brb, Kollege schreit
11:46 < akira_> ok
11:54 < blindcoder> einmal mit Profis arbeiten *seufz*
11:54 < akira_> hehe :)
11:55 * akira_ is keiner
11:55 < akira_> ich _muss_ immer mit th_ arbeiten :)) *g*
11:56 < akira_> naja, kram laeuft jezt, wahrschenlich lass ich das dann einfach so
11:56 < akira_> soll ich noch nen extra eintrag fuer /dev/zip anlegen?
12:00 < blindcoder> solange du keine programme startest die das brauchen wuerd ichs lassen
12:00 < akira_> mh jo
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12:24 < akira_> blindcoder: aber irgendwie waere ein /dev/cdroms/0 irgendwie auch fuer zip logisch oder?
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12:27 < blindcoder> hmm... wieviele zips hast du dunn in deinem Recner? Ich habe ein zip anstelle eines floppys, aber sonst...
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14:05 < temr> moin
14:22 < blindcoder> moin
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14:30 < capchaos> hi rockers
14:31 * fake going nuts
14:31 < blindcoder> hi cappy
14:31 < fake> damn it!
14:31 < blindcoder> fake: what's up?
14:31 < fake> i try to write a script
14:31 < blindcoder> I see
14:31 < fake> that shows Xdialog --yesno box
14:32 < blindcoder> yes...
14:32 < fake> with a timeout.
14:32 < blindcoder> hmm... yes...
14:32 < fake> but i can't do a simple Xdialog &
14:32 < blindcoder> patch Xdialog
14:32 < fake> because then i'd loos the return code
14:32 < fake> that is not an option
14:33 < blindcoder> hmm... doesn't Xdialog output something to STDOUT like dialog does?
14:33 < esden> hi all
14:33 < blindcoder> or STDERR that is
14:33 < fake> not the --yesno option
14:33 < blindcoder> hi esden
14:33 < blindcoder> well, then you have to patch Xdialog and add --timeout
14:34 < blindcoder> btw: won't be on the train today
14:34 < fake> as is said, that is not an option!
14:34 < blindcoder> finally found a solution how to do the GL-dm
14:34 < fake> i _have_ to use the standard
14:34 < blindcoder> oh, I thought that is for the Xdialog &
14:35 < fake> huh?
14:35 < blindcoder> fake: write a shell-script that invokes Xdialog, catches the return-code and outputs it into a file
14:35 < fake> okay.
14:35 < fake> i did that.
14:35 < blindcoder> and?
14:35 < esden> here are images of my connect 4 robot : http://wwwbrauer.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/lehre/lego/tagderoffenentum/4gewinnt/4gewinnt.shtml
14:35 < fake> i have to kill the script after xx seconds (for the timeout)
14:35 < fake> i get the script's PID by $!
14:36 < blindcoder> fake write its $$ into a file
14:36 < fake> if i kill the script, the Xdialog window stays open, because it uses '1' as PPID
14:36 < blindcoder> or that way...
14:36 < blindcoder> hmm...
14:36 < fake> blindcoder: that is not the problem. i know the scripts PID.
14:36 < fake> but i can't get Xdialog's pid if i don;t do a & after it
14:36 < fake> and if i do that, i don't know how to catch it's return code
14:37 < fake> because ABC=Xdialog & is always true
14:38 < blindcoder> you could do something like `ps auux | grep Xdialog`
14:38 < blindcoder> wait...
14:38 < blindcoder> wouldn't Xdialogs PDI be the scripts PID+1 ?
14:38 < blindcoder> s/PDI/PID/
14:39 < blindcoder> esden: nice
14:40 < blindcoder> fake: you would have to deal with PID-Wrap-around, though...
14:40 < fake> blindcoder: i'd kill all Xdialogs with ps | grep
14:41 < fake> and script+1 is a good guess, nothing more
14:41 < blindcoder> but the ps aux | grep thingie should work as you know the _exact_ call for Xdialog
14:41 < esden> blindcoder: thanks
14:41 < fake> blindcoder: the calls never differ
14:41 < fake> esden: sweet ;)
14:41 < esden> hehe ;-)
14:41 < esden> I have also a video at home
14:41 < esden> I have to digitalize it
14:41 < blindcoder> fake: damnit, write a patch and send it to the Xdialog maintainer :)
14:42 < blindcoder> esden: yes, you have
14:42 < fake> blindcoder: again, that-is-not-an-option-<dot>
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14:42 < Mike1> moin
14:42 < esden> hi Mike1 
14:42 < Mike1> hi esden, how are you today?
14:43 < blindcoder> fake: I say, you can use the grep-thing. you know the complete call including _all_ parameters, so it should be possible.
14:43 < blindcoder> You have a Xdialog --yesno 'tekt'
14:43 < fake> blindcoder: think again. multi-user-system?
14:43 < blindcoder> you know that tekt. maybe just put an ID-Text or something behind it
14:43 < fake> pkill Xdialog --yesno 'text' would make 1 user happy and all the others grief.
14:44 < fake> blindcoder: that would be exposed to the user
14:44 < esden> Mike1: good thanks
14:44 < fake> anyways, solaris ps only shows 64 chars of the process call
14:44 < aszlig> rehi
14:46 < blindcoder> fake: make ps just print your processes. should be ddone by omitting -e
14:47 < blindcoder> that would narrow it done _very much_
14:47 < blindcoder> and it's not omitting -e, my mistake
14:49 < fake> blindcoder: all those Xdialog are mine
14:49 < fake> it's a loginshell-replacement
14:50 < blindcoder> hmm, okay, that make it a lot more difficult
14:50 < blindcoder> I thought it's something like stone -x11
14:51 < fake> where's the difference?
14:51 < blindcoder> the difference is that with stone -x11 there would at most be... hmm... wait... actually there is none...
14:51 < blindcoder> try ps -t pts/whatever
14:52 < blindcoder>      -t term
14:52 < blindcoder>            Lists only process data associated with term. Terminal
14:52 < blindcoder>            identifiers  are  specified as a device file name, and
14:52 < blindcoder>            an identifier. For example, term/a, or pts/0.
14:52 < fake> actually, no:
14:52 < fake> Syntax: ps [ -aAdeflcjLPy ] [ -o Format ] [ -t Bedingungsliste]
14:52 < fake>         [ -u userlist ] [ -U userlist ] [ -G grouplist ]
14:52 < fake>         [ -p proclist ] [ -g pgrplist ] [ -s sidlist ]
14:52 < fake>   'format' ist eines oder mehrere der folgenden Formate:
14:52 < fake>         user ruser group rgroup uid ruid gid rgid pid ppid pgid sid taskid
14:52 < fake>         pri opri pcpu pmem vsz rss osz nice class time etime stime
14:52 < fake>         f s c lwp nlwp psr tty addr wchan fname comm args projid project
14:53 < fake> and no, Xdialog does not keep bash's PPID
14:53 < blindcoder> yes, you already mentioned that
14:53 < blindcoder> what system are you on, anyway?
14:53 < fake> that would have made things easy *sigh*
14:53 < fake> SunOS nachtfalter 5.8 Generic_108528-13 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraAX-i2
14:54 < blindcoder> SunOS sundance 5.8 Generic_108528-13 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10
14:54 < blindcoder> strange
14:54 < fake> blindcoder: yeah, i have that in my manpage, too
14:56 < fake> and it works
14:56 < fake> is one rlogin always assigned exactly one pts?
14:56 < fake> ans what about ssh ?
14:57 * Mike1 thinking on a desig for a rock hat ...
14:57 < Mike1> desing even
14:57 < blindcoder> one rlogin should be assigned one pts... if not for screen
14:57 < Mike1> arrg
14:57 < fake> no screen
14:57 < blindcoder> ssh is the same
14:57 < fake> i'll try that
14:58 < blindcoder> fake: looks like a translation error :)
14:58 < blindcoder> brb
15:01 < blindcoder> back
15:04 < blindcoder> hmmm should I answer him or should I not
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15:08 < blindcoder> Mike1: don't forget tho propeller on that hat!
15:08 < Mike1> blindcoder: of course not :)
15:08 < blindcoder> Mike1: sweet. Will they be ready for 19C3? Will they? Will they? Will they?
15:09 < Mike1> ack
15:09 < blindcoder> YAHOOOO! *jumplikethekidheis*
15:15 < fake> *shakes head*
15:16 < esden> ha it seems that I have found the apropriate patch for my laptop framebuffer ;-)
15:16 * -> esden -> testing
15:17 < blindcoder> fake: still not working?
15:17 * blindcoder now seriously thinking about starting `X-Com: Apocalypse` Clone
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15:20 < Mike1> re capy
15:21 < fake> blindcoder: i found another solution
15:21 < fake> Xdialog... &
15:21 < capchaos> hey mikey :)
15:21 < fake> ...
15:21 < fake> wait $!
15:21 < fake> wait then returns the returnvalue
15:21 < fake> and i can save the pid of xdialog away between Xdialog & and the wait
15:22 < rolla_> re
15:22 < blindcoder> good
15:24 < fake> (and because of job-control, the ppid will be bash's, so it will be killed if i kill the subshell, anyways.
15:24 < Mike1> re rolla_
15:24 < fake> hi rolla_ !
15:25 < blindcoder> d|ouh! edonkey isn't what it used to be >_<
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15:26 < fake> nah, strike out my last sentence.
15:27 < blindcoder> some bozo renamed his `Martian Successor Nadesico' Collectien to 'Enterprise_Season_02_Episode_03' through Episode_29 and my mldonkey took it over as the DL-Name for my Nadeesico_Files >_<
15:28 < blindcoder> so now I have to manually rename each and every file >_<
15:28 * Mike1 guesses it might be a _LONG_ day for blindcoder ...
15:30 < blindcoder> hehe :)
15:30 < blindcoder> well... 26 Eps, 20 minutes each...
15:31 < fake> 20 minutes to rename one file?
15:32 < blindcoder> to watch it, rename it and archive it of course :)
15:33 < esden> ok ... now it works much better ... but it is not perfect ... :-/
15:34 < blindcoder> http://www.clustermatic.org/pipermail/linuxbios/2002-November/001186.html
15:34 < blindcoder> sweet
15:34 * blindcoder thinks about flushing his BIOS :)
15:35 < Mike1> cool
15:35 < esden> woot !!!
15:35 < esden> blindcoder: *hug*
15:36 < esden> we are free !!! ;-)
15:36 < blindcoder> :-)
15:37 * blindcoder thinking about a ROX-Filer package
15:39 < blindcoder> esden: please draw a coin: As I have now a good chonce of finishing the gldm, what should be done next?
15:40 < blindcoder> esden: The OpenGL File System Browser
15:40 < blindcoder> esden: or a multiplayer capable clone of X-Com: Apocalypse?
15:42 < fake> the first one
15:42 < fake> but there are already implementations for that
15:42 < blindcoder> mkay
15:42 < blindcoder> fake: there are? where?
15:44 < fake> http://turma.sourceforge.net/software/3dfile/
15:47 < esden> blindcoder: have you created screenshots ?
15:47 < esden> of gldm ?
15:49 * -> esden is asking himself if one can run opengl apps on framebuffer ...
15:49 * -> esden has to get his frame buffer running on his laptop to create the lain boot feeling ... >_<
15:50 < fake> checking if you have guts... no. Too bad!
15:50 < fake> checking for sense of humor... yes. Excelent!
15:50 < fake> *rofl*
15:51 < esden> *lol*
15:51 < blindcoder> I have that idea worked eut and integrated into the code from work
15:51 < blindcoder> no way of testing it here due to lack of good hardware
15:52 < blindcoder> fake: ??
15:52 < blindcoder> checking for the presence of Mac OS X ... no. phew, that was a close one.
15:52 < blindcoder> (from ./configure of MRTG)
15:52 < fake> the former one was from 3dfile ;)
15:53 < blindcoder> sweet
15:53 < blindcoder> fake could you make a screenshot?
15:53 < blindcoder> There are none on 3dfiles site
15:54 < blindcoder> esden: Install SuSE  for the Lain Boot-Feeling :D
15:55 * blindcoder getting coffee
15:55 < esden> blindcoder: *shoot*
15:55 * blindcoder making too many stupdi jokes again
15:55 < esden> blindcoder: I was allready exploring the suse kernel patches ... 
15:55 < esden> I will most likely use them for our lain target ;-)
15:56 < blindcoder> as long as they work, it's fine :)
15:56 < fake> blindcoder; try clikcing "view screenshots"
15:56 < blindcoder> the licq-gcc3.patch is also from the SuSE people
15:57 < blindcoder> fake: *argh*
15:57 < blindcoder> I have JavaScript turned off here...
15:57 < fake> eh eh eh
15:58 < blindcoder> fake: looks sweet, but far off from what I have in mind
15:59 < esden> hmm ... but the filemanager needs some improovement if you ask me ...
15:59 < esden> blindcoder: I really like it
16:00 < blindcoder> yes it looks good... but as neither of you remembers the file-manager from "Jurassic Park 1" I can't describe properly what I have in mind
16:01 < fake> forget 3dfile
16:01 < fake> i was thinking about another one
16:01 < fake> it had that Jurassic Park Look
16:02 < fake> just a second...
16:02 < blindcoder> I might even rip some code out of it like reading the content of directories etc. but the GUI isn't what I want it to be
16:02 < blindcoder> fake: okay
16:02 < esden> aha ?
16:03 < fake> http://fsv.sourceforge.net/
16:03 < fake> but that wasn't it anyways
16:05 < esden> woot
16:05 < esden> that is cool
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16:06 < esden> ok ... /me off
16:06 < esden> cu l8er
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16:09 < blindcoder>  fsv... erm... sorry, but I think that one sucks (judging by the screenshots)
16:11 < blindcoder> oh a third option comes to mind... the OpenGL Frontend for stone :D
16:12 < blindcoder> I _ebt_ that there isn't one yet *g*
16:13 < blindcoder> brb...
16:20 < blindcoder> re
16:25 * owl leaves you now
16:25 < owl> bye
16:25 < Mike1> bye owly
16:26 * Mike1 hugs owly
16:26 < owl> *argh*
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16:27 * Mike1 drops a bone to owl
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16:30 < Mike1> hi Lorini
16:30 < Lorini> hi mikey :)
16:30 < Mike1> :)
16:31 * Lorini is tired
16:32 < fake> try a hot, steaming cup of instant-sleep
16:32 * fake hands one over
16:33 < blindcoder>  hi Lorini
16:33 < Lorini> hi blindcoder :)
16:33 * blindcoder is just lazy right now
16:33 < blindcoder> fake: I'll take the 1735 train today
16:33 < Lorini> instant sleep.. pah, who needs sleep?
16:33 < blindcoder> want to make that gldm theory into practice
16:34 < blindcoder> ASAP
16:34 < fake> mkay
16:37 < fake> hahaha... *happy*
16:37 < fake> it finally works ...
16:38 < blindcoder> good :)
16:48 < blindcoder>  okay, I'm going home
16:48 < blindcoder> bye bfye!
16:48 < Mike1> cu blindcoder
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17:13 < Mike1> hi bluefire
17:24 < bluefire> hi mayan
17:25 * bluefire askjlfaskjd
17:25 < bluefire> hi Mike1
17:27 * fake off -> train
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18:50 < Mike1> *yawn*
18:50 < LoriZzZ> night
18:50 < LoriZzZ> :)
18:50 < Mike1> nacht LoriZzZ
19:04 < d3mian> cya next month :)
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19:05 < Mike1> next month ... mm..
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19:38 < tcr> moin all
19:44 < Mike1> moin tcr
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19:44 < holyolli> moin
19:45 < tcr> hi Mike1! :)
19:45 < holyolli> hi tcr
19:46 < tcr> having free time in about an half hour? @ Mike1
19:46 < tcr> hi olli
19:46 < Mike1> tcr: make it 40 minutes :)
19:46 < tcr> oks
19:47 < Mike1> tcr: i am hungry so i will get me some food now :)
19:47 * Mike1 eating
19:47 < holyolli> hi Mike1
19:47 < Mike1> oh und hi holyolli
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19:58 < esden> re hi all
20:01 < holyolli_> hi esden
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20:16 < Mike1> re all
20:17 < tcr> sorry Mike1
20:17 < tcr> my father has to repair some stuff about electrics
20:18 < tcr> and he'll probably have to switch some power switches off
20:18 < tcr> mom, i'll upload the most recent ROCK-Update version
20:18 < Mike1> tcr: ok
20:18 < Mike1> thanks
20:19 < tcr> it should be the final version
20:19 < Mike1> tcr: great i will look :)
20:20 < tcr> http://www.freebits.de/trash/sonstiges/ROCK-Update/
20:21 < tcr> about the ext pkgs problem, the pkgs that were marked as deleted, were actually removed
20:21 < tcr> at least i can't find them myself
20:21 < tcr> plz v erify that
20:22 < Mike1> ok i will dig into that later today
20:23 < tcr> will back in ~2 1/2 hours
20:24 < Mike1> tcr: ok i will be still here by then
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20:43 < Mike1> 0_o
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21:33 < owl> hi
21:34 < netcrow> hi
21:34 * Mike1 hugs owly
21:34 < Mike1> hi owl
21:34 < owl> *argh*
21:34 < owl> hi Mike1
21:34 < owl> hi netcrow
21:34 < Mike1> owl: wie geths?
21:34 < Mike1> gehts*
21:35 < owl> Mike1: horrible. thx. blindcoder and i had a 2-hours-taking travel by train. --> delay of about 1 hour or so. someone killed him/herselfe.
21:35 < owl> and how are you ?
21:36 < netcrow> hehe, i was in the 19:53 train ;)
21:36 < owl> netcrow: ARGH! YOU will die _NOW_!
21:36 < owl> killed by a NULL-pointer ;P
21:36 < netcrow> hehe
21:36 < Mike1> owl: i am great as usual thanks
21:37 < owl> netcrow: don't laugh. it's not funny.
21:37 < owl> netcrow: how are you, btw
21:39 < netcrow> solangsam wirds zeit die 19c3-fahrt und so zu planen
21:39 < owl> netcrow: hmhm. du faehrst mit dem auto?
21:40 < netcrow> jep
21:40 < owl> hm. ist noch ein platz frei evtl...?
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21:40 < netcrow> gute frage, is ein "kleinwagen" ;-)
21:40 < owl> *gg* k.
21:41 < owl> (aka schuhschachtel)
21:41 < owl> und: gibt's im naehe vom hackcenter irgendwo ein hotel oder so, das frau sich leisten kann...?
21:42 < holyolli> .oO(da war doch ne wiese, wo man nen zelt aufstellen kann... ;-)
21:42 < holyolli> re, btw.
21:42 < netcrow> re
21:42 < holyolli> huhu owlita... *hug*
21:42 < holyolli> hi netcrow
21:42 < netcrow> ich fand die turnhalle recht bequem
21:42 < owl> hi holyolli
21:43 < owl> *g* du bist ja auch keine frau... (frauen duerften wohl ziemlich in der minderheit sein am 19c3 ;P)
21:43 < owl> holyolli: im winter? na denn - froehliches campen...
21:43 < netcrow> ach, es gibt 2 geschlechter?
21:43 < holyolli> owl: naja..das mit der minderheit ist auch vieleicht nicht soooo verkehrt;;; *duck*
21:43 < owl> urgs. alles spinner hier... ;P
21:43 < owl> holyolli: warum denn ned?
21:44 < holyolli> owl: und du mitten unter ihnen... ;)
21:44 < owl> netcrow: hm. war dir des noch ned bekannt...?
21:44 < holyolli> owl: naja..ueberleg mal, was fuer nen chaos das waer...ueberall waschmaschinen, geschirrspueler, etc.
21:44 < owl> holyolli: tstststs. was denkst du denn? ;)
21:44 < owl> holyolli: *tret*
21:44 < owl> /kick holyolli
21:44 < holyolli> owl: willst du wirklich wissen, was ich denke... ;)
21:44 < holyolli> hehehe
21:45 < owl> holyolli: nee, denn dann wuerde ich ja nix wissen... weil du bist ein mann, die denken ned...
21:45 < holyolli> <-- ist grad so richtig gut in fahrt...den ganzen tag gelernt und nun muessen die aggressionen raus... ;)
21:45 < owl> *lol* ich merk's
21:45 < netcrow> in wieweit funktionieren eigentlich die rock-boot-disketten?
21:45 < holyolli> fuer pc tuen die wohl
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21:49 < Mike1> hi rxr
21:49 < netcrow> hi rxr
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21:50 < owl> hi rxr, wb aszlig
21:54 < aszlig> rehi
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22:09 < Mike1> re holyolli
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22:47 < tcr> re all
22:47 < Mike1> re tcr
22:47 < owl> re tcr
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23:00 < tcr> and Mike1`?
23:00 < Mike1> .
23:01 < Mike1> hier
23:01 < Mike1> == 14:42:32 =[5]=> Building base package qt [3.0.6 1.5.20-Mike].
23:01 < tcr> did you already take a look?
23:02 < Mike1> hehe
23:02 < Mike1> mom i will right now
23:02 < Mike1> sorry i have been busy today :(
23:02 < tcr> it's ok. i still have to write two emails anyway
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23:10 < Mike1> ok
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23:13 < Mike1> nice tcr
23:13 < esden> humpf ... 
23:14 < Mike1> hi esden
23:14 * -> esden is too stupid for kernel ... >_<
23:14 < owl> hi esdi.
23:14 < esden> there is too much magic in it >_<
23:14 < owl> esden: huh`? why?
23:14 < Mike1> tcr: please send the url to huebi i am sure he will want to see it
23:14 < esden> hi Mike1 & owl 
23:14 < Mike1> esden: whats the matter my friend?
23:14 < owl> are you using 2.5.49?
23:14 < esden> I fsck with framebuffer on my laptop
23:15 < owl> esden: *g* poor esden. which kernel?
23:15 < esden> owl: 2.5.49 && 2.4.19
23:15 < owl> i c. in 2.5.49 --> no ati *whatever* cards work with framebuffer afaik...
23:15 < esden> 2.5.49 freezes one minute after start
23:15 < tcr> Mike1: of course. will inform him -- have to talk with him about this anyway..
23:16 < esden> I can type 3 lines or so ...
23:16 < Mike1> tcr: yes please do so
23:16 < owl> esden: huh?! with fb? or without?
23:16 < Mike1> tcr: in my opinion is just fine to be included
23:16 < esden> and the framebuffer looks now much better after I found a patch on the lkml
23:16 < Mike1> but huebi is the one who decides that
23:16 < tcr> Mike1: i don't want it to be included as a normal script. That would lead to thousands of scripts like in 1.7 -- i don't like it.
23:16 < owl> hm. can you give me the url, please?
23:16 < esden> but it is still not really functional
23:17 < esden> >_<
23:17 < owl> *g*
23:17 < tcr> Mike1: I actually intend to create a pkg for it
23:17 < Mike1> yeah you could do that
23:17 < esden> with fb @ owl 
23:17 < owl> haha.
23:17 < esden> owl: url-P
23:17 < Mike1> url :)
23:18 < owl> hm?
23:18 < Mike1> esden: i think i good translation for what owl means is url = wtf is fb
23:18 < owl> Mike1: i'm using it right now...
23:18 < Mike1> owl: really?
23:19 < Mike1> i see
23:19 < owl> (fb i mean) so don't complain
23:19 < owl> Mike1: nope. not really. just really.
23:19 < Mike1> esden: anyways you applied the patch, now whats wrong with it?
23:20 < esden> it still contains artifacts
23:20 < Mike1> ...?
23:20 < Mike1> define artifacts
23:20 < esden> and after some time and switching through the consoles I see only vertical lines
23:21 < esden> artifact = some unexpected dirt on the display
23:22 * -> esden needs a digicam ... to show things to people that are too far away ... (Mike1)
23:22 < Mike1> arrggg
23:22 < esden> o_O
23:22 < Mike1> no need to remind me :((
23:23 < esden> sorry ;_;
23:23 < Mike1> esden: i hate the fact of been the only rock dev in this side of the world
23:23 < Mike1> i wish i was there
23:23 < Mike1> no need to be sorry
23:23 * -> esden moving to costa rica ;-)
23:23 < Mike1> weeehh!!! /me *jumparound*
23:23 < esden> Mike1: you would not feel good here ... it is really cold here at the moment ...
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23:23 < Mike1> esden: i am a cold lover
23:24 < Mike1> too much sun here
23:24 < esden> Mike1: you will change your mind on 19C3
23:24 < esden> ;-)
23:24 < esden> ahh ... 19C3 ... *jumparound*
23:24 < esden> ;-)
23:24 < Mike1> :)
23:24 < Mike1> esden: we will see
23:24 < esden> see what ?
23:25 < esden> hmm ... /me has to start working on uClibc stuff >_<
23:25 * -> esden hitting himself and banging his head on the wall
23:26 < Mike1> lol
23:26 < owl> ouch. stop this!
23:26 < Mike1> esden: yeah let owl do it in staed of you
23:26 < tcr> Mike1: i still haven't got a reply about my two patches from huebi -- will wait with writing about rock-update issue until i got a response..
23:26 < Mike1> tcr: yes its the best
23:26 < esden> hmm ... /me waiting for an answer from huebi ...
23:26 < owl> Mike1: nope. why?
23:27 < owl> esden: hm. i guess you can wait _very, very_ long...?!
23:27 < tcr> Mike1: btw. could you forward a new report mail of ROCK-update to me again, plz?
23:27 * -> esden wrote the patch for lcd support ... in 1.5 and got no reply till now ... >_<
23:27 < esden> owl: why this ?
23:27 < owl> esden: hm.  [huebi] idle 19:32:45  <<
23:27 < Mike1> esden: dont be suprised huebi is been really good at replying mails
23:27 < tcr> esden: hmm you should write an article about lcd for RR
23:28 < Mike1> i will email huebi bugging about that stuff
23:28 < Mike1> esden: has the lcd patch been properly tested?
23:28 < esden> Mike1: I sent him the patch 2 or 3 weeks ago
23:29 < esden> Mike1: yes ... (as in it was working for me perfectly)
23:29 < esden> but I wanted huebi to test it ... 
23:29 < esden> he could also write ... that it is not working ... when it is not working ...
23:29 < Mike1> esden: excellent i will bug hime
23:29 < SMP> hm
23:30 < esden> hi SMP 
23:30 < Mike1> hi SMPy
23:30 < esden> Mike1: yes do it
23:30 < owl> moin SMP
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23:32 < rolla> let me try copy
23:32 < Mike1> ok
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23:37 < tcr> Mike1: what's about the forwarrd?
23:38 < esden> urgh ... that are _many_ changes in the 1.7 tree ... :-/
23:39 < Mike1> tcr: what forward?
23:39 < tcr> a new status report by rock-update again
23:40 < Mike1> ah well tomorrow i must go to uni now
23:40 * Mike1 running
23:40 < tcr> ok cu
23:40 < esden> cu Mike1 
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23:40 < owl> bye Mike1
23:40 < owl> *gr* too slow. tired. dead. *yawning*
23:44 < esden> n8 
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