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06:38 < LoriZzZ> moin
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08:15 < raffi> hi
08:20 < blindcod1r> moin
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10:07 < blindcoder> hehe the gnu homepage is always good for a laugh :)
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12:13 < esden> morning
12:22 < raffi> hi
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12:30 < esden> hmm ... and ... off
12:46 < blindcoder> damn you, esden!
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14:38 < rolla_home> re
14:39 < blindcoder> re rolla_home
14:39 < blindcoder> finally someone is here :)
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14:41 < owl> hi
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14:42 < blindcoder> hi owli!
14:42 < esden> re
14:42 < blindcoder> re esden :)
14:42 < owl> hi esden, blindcoder
14:42 < esden> damn me ?
14:43 < esden> hi owl 
14:43 < blindcoder> just wanted to get your attention :)
14:43 < esden> now you have my attention
14:43 < blindcoder> esden: will you be @bitz this evening?
14:44 < blindcoder> owl: 1735?
14:46 < owl> blindcoder: noe. bin zuhause.
14:47 < blindcoder> owl: krankgeschrieben?
14:47 < esden> blindcoder: yes I will be there
14:47 < owl> blindcoder: jep. diese woche. virusgrippe... ;P
14:47 * -> esden has to take the train today >_<
14:47 < owl> esden: haha. welchen denn?
14:48 < blindcoder> esden: okay, then I'll come round at about 1830
14:48 < blindcoder> owl: gute besserung!
14:48 < esden> ssh weasel@owl -e "export LANG=en_EN"
14:48 < esden> blindcoder: kk
14:49 < blindcoder> well, that way I can drink my coffee undisturbed :)
14:49 < esden> blindcoder: do you have something to show ?
14:49 < blindcoder> esden: which train?
14:49 < owl> blindcoder: danke.
14:49 < esden> I will try to get the one around 17:00 or so ... 
14:50 < owl> esden: why english? can't you understand german anymore? or is the stuff we're talking about interesting for guys who just can speak english?!!!!
14:50 < blindcoder> esden: 1735!!!
14:51 < esden> owl: no ... but in this channel german language is depricated
14:52 < blindcoder> if (getenv('LANG') != "en_EN") warn "MEEP MEEP!\n";
14:52 < owl> esden: oh great. but - why are other people speaking german then, sometimes? or spanish...? cuz it's not depricated if THOSE GUYS r speaking it?!
14:52 < owl> !!!!!!!!!
14:52 < owl> and bye esden
14:53 < blindcoder> "multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind."
14:53 < owl> if you're annoyed then try to get a girlfriend and annoy her! but not _ME_!!!
14:53 < blindcoder> owl: he's trying, can't you see?
14:53 < blindcoder> :)
14:53 < esden> lol owl is in bad mood ;-)
14:54 < esden> ok ... so I am off ... I will try to get the 17:35 train @ blindcoder 
14:54 * -> esden off
14:54 < owl> esden: not in bad mood! but i can't see someone complaining about the fscking language ! noone expecting YOU! and _you_ can understand german!
14:54 < owl> so DON'T COMPLAIN!!!!!!!
14:54 < owl> *ARGH*
14:54 < blindcoder> owl: calm down, will ya?
14:55 < owl> blindcoder: esden is off --> yes, i will calm down!
14:55 < owl> (expecting someone else will anoy me)
14:55 < owl> s/anoy/offend
14:55 < blindcoder> you mean except...
14:55 < owl> yea
14:55 < blindcoder> I don't think you _expect_ someone to anny you :{
14:56 < blindcoder> ;)
14:56 < owl> damn. i have fever. i can't think right now
14:56 < blindcoder> But I could if you like :)
14:56 < owl> blindcoder: *grml* ;P
14:56 < blindcoder> s/right now//
14:57 < blindcoder> wie lang biste krankgeschrieben?
14:57 < owl> nur bis einschl. freitag.
14:58 < blindcoder> also rest der woche
14:58 < owl> genau. ich lasse dich im stich ;PPP
14:58 < blindcoder> Weib halt
14:59 < owl> heh!!!
14:59 < blindcoder> is doch so
15:00 < owl> noe.
15:00 < blindcoder> doch doch doch!
15:00 < owl> nein, nein, nein.
15:01 < owl> aber maenner - die sind untreu, lassen einem im stich, wenn's ihnen dannach ist und brauchen eine freundin eigentlich nur zum fscken und wenn ihnen sonst nix besseres einfaellt.
15:01 < owl> bzw. wenn ihnen langweilig ist.
15:02 < blindcoder> diese einstellung koennte der Grund sein warum du keinen mann findest...
15:02 < owl> blindcoder: noe. warum denn? ich koennte einen haben... wenn ich wollte... (du weisst schon wer...)
15:03 < blindcoder> hm? n, ehrlich gesagt nicht... es sei denn...
15:03 < owl> j.
15:09 < rolla> re
15:10 < blindcoder> re rolla
15:10 < owl> hi rolla
15:10 < rolla> hallo
15:16 * SMP _braucht_ ueberhaupt keine Freundin
15:17 < owl> hi SMP
15:17 < blindcoder> well... needing a gf is one hthing... wanting another
15:17 < blindcoder> hi SMP btw. :)
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15:29 < temr> hi
15:29 < blindcoder> hi temr
15:30 < owl> hi temr
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15:37 < codeq> hi
15:37 < blindcoder> hi codeq
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15:39 < bfinch|away> hello
15:39 < owl> hi bfinch|away
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15:40 < blindcoder> hi finch
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15:42 < bfinch|away> hey guys
15:43 < bfinch|away> i am a sorcerer user...and welli am lurking
15:43 < bfinch|away> just downloaded the drock stuff to look at
15:43 < bfinch|away> how does rock compare to sorcerer?
15:44 < blindcoder> that's a good question... never had a look at sorcerer
15:44 < bfinch|away> well..ican tellya briefly about it, if that would help
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15:45 < blindcoder> wasn't it that when you 'cast' a spell (package) it gets downloaded and compiled?
15:45 < blindcoder> or am I mixing stuff up?
15:45 < bfinch|away> well , basically....
15:45 < bfinch|away> ...but it does the following
15:46 < bfinch|away> tracks files as they are installed as to both location, which package they "belong to', and their md5sum
15:47 < bfinch|away> which allows for downgrading, upgrading, repair, and conflict respolution
15:47 < blindcoder> hmm that would be equal to the "flists" except that we don't do md5summing of installed files
15:47 < bfinch|away> also allows for variable provides as wella s variable dependancy resolution
15:47 < bfinch|away> oh o.k.
15:48 < bfinch|away> wellt he md5sum comes in handy...as verification and (if needed) repair
15:48 < blindcoder> rock basically looks this:
15:48 < blindcoder> you get rock itself (about 1.5 MB)
15:49 < blindcoder> then configure what you want (libc, gcc, any other packages, optimisation et al)
15:49 < blindcoder> then download the packages (programs: starting from said gcc libc until apache mysql and that stuff
15:50 < blindcoder> then it gets compiled and packaged into .gem or .tar.bz2
15:50 < blindcoder> You then burn the compiled packages and install-disks etc. on one or more CDs (script included) and throw that into you box
15:50 < blindcoder> where fou can install it then
15:50 < blindcoder> s/fou/you/
15:51 < bfinch|away> ah
15:51 < bfinch|away> um....
15:52 < blindcoder> dependancies are relosved during a 'reference build' and stored in the packages' .cache files
15:52 < bfinch|away> is EACH package then a tarball or gem ?
15:52 < blindcoder> yes it is.
15:52 < bfinch|away> ah
15:52 < bfinch|away> k
15:52 < bfinch|away> what is a gem?
15:52 < blindcoder> a gem is a package format. it includes the .tar.bz2 and some other metadata such as package category
15:52 < bfinch|away> how are dependancies resolved...that isn;t clear to me
15:53 < bfinch|away> ah
15:53 < bfinch|away> k on gem
15:53 < blindcoder> hmm... I haven't looked into that code myself.... but they are stored in the .cache files. during the build-process the packages are compiled by priority, so usually there shouldn't be any problem...
15:54 < bfinch|away> where is priority defined ?
15:54 < blindcoder> all this is on 1.7/2.0 and there is still a lot of work to do on deps with installing the packages
15:54 < bfinch|away> and who(m) does that?
15:54 < blindcoder> priority is in the .desc files and (curently) made by hand
15:55 < bfinch|away> k
15:55 < bfinch|away> so you define the depenadacies by hand....
15:56 < bfinch|away> so what is the "refernce build" you were alluding to?
15:56 < blindcoder> no, these are resolved by a reference build
15:56 < bfinch|away> so the priority is the build order then?
15:56 < blindcoder> A reference build creates what can be seen here: http://www.rocklinux.org/packages/
15:56 < blindcoder> yes, it is
15:56 < bfinch|away> k
15:57 < blindcoder> Compilation time, compilesdependencies and broken/not broken are checked in a refbuild
15:57 < bfinch|away> how is a reference buidl different form any other build?
15:57 < blindcoder> It takes a little more time and is usually only done by clifford :)
15:58 < bfinch|away> hmmmm
15:58 < bfinch|away> interesting
15:58 < bfinch|away> k
15:58 < blindcoder> a  'normal user' shouldn't usually have the need for a ref-build
15:58 < bfinch|away> i think i understand now
15:58 < bfinch|away> tu
15:59 < bfinch|away> do "normal users" ever expected to compile anything?
15:59 < blindcoder> sorry if I'm not clear enough, but english isn't my first language :)
15:59 < bfinch|away> k
15:59 < bfinch|away> you are doing fine
15:59 < bfinch|away> i am getting this picture;
15:59 < blindcoder> sure. the generic and bootdisk target and other things like that
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15:59 < blindcoder> hi bluefire
16:00 < bluefire> hiho
16:00 < bfinch|away> first level (top level) is a refernce build , which creates and/or verifies the build data and meta-data about the compilation of sources...
16:00 < blindcoder> yes
16:01 < bfinch|away> second level is a working build (for lack of a better name) which is pre-definded build processes...all necessary metadata is included and is based on a "gem" package format
16:01 < blindcoder> yes
16:02 < blindcoder> well.. not based, but 'put into'
16:02 < bfinch|away> thrid level is the working binary distro , created by eihter level one or two and the process of making a working cd to boot and transfer the binarys
16:02 < bfinch|away> ah...so the 2nd level build creates the gem package..not the first level?
16:02 < blindcoder> ekactly
16:02 < bfinch|away> ah
16:03 < blindcoder> you could compare gem to something like dep or rpm
16:03 < bfinch|away> so level three must work from levle tqwo and not level one
16:03 < blindcoder> deb, not dep
16:03 < bfinch|away> yeah
16:03 < bfinch|away> o.k.
16:03 < bfinch|away> hmmmm
16:03 < blindcoder> right.
16:03 < bfinch|away> interesting
16:03 < bfinch|away> well sorcerer allows the user to create whatever on the fly
16:03 < bfinch|away> what amounts to level one and two are combined
16:03 < bfinch|away> and there is no level 3
16:04 < blindcoder> you can do that too
16:04 < bfinch|away> and (as i mentioned earlier) it is self-healing
16:04 < blindcoder> cd /usr/src/rock-src
16:04 < bfinch|away> k
16:04 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Pkg nethack
16:04 < blindcoder> for example
16:04 < bfinch|away> k
16:04 < bfinch|away> is this well documented....?
16:04 < blindcoder> then the package gets built into the runnung system
16:05 < bfinch|away> cuase i didn;t get this at all with a 10 minute looksee
16:05 < bfinch|away> k on scripts
16:05 < bfinch|away> tu
16:05 < blindcoder> hmm... ./scripts/Help should be your friend as well as documentation/BUILD
16:05 < bfinch|away> thanxs for answering my questions
16:05 < blindcoder> no problem :)
16:05 < bfinch|away> well.....
16:06 < bfinch|away> the point is , you have given me much more info than i would have found at the various rock websites in many hours of poking about
16:06 < bfinch|away> so i really appreciate it
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16:07 < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should write an article for Ralling Rock #2 :)
16:07 < bfinch|away> so the refernce build is more for verifying a package-build instruction set?
16:07 < bfinch|away> or something else?
16:08 < blindcoder> yes, you could say so. It marks packages as broken/okay, resolves deps and some other fancy stuff.
16:08 < bfinch|away> someone needs to make it clear what is going on....
16:08 < bfinch|away> IMHO
16:08 < bfinch|away> at sorcerer we just declare a dependancy
16:08 < bfinch|away> and we can use any package as a dependancy resolution
16:09 < bfinch|away> (variable dependancy)
16:09 < bfinch|away> the dependancy is declatred in the info
16:09 < bfinch|away> and the ordering is automatic
16:09 < blindcoder> hmm compile-dependancy usually doesn't change that often and there's currently no runtime-dep-checking if I'm not mistaken
16:09 < bfinch|away> k
16:10 < bfinch|away> tu again
16:10 < blindcoder> np again :)
16:11 < bfinch|away> the idea is that the SA knows what he wants....and if he wants to change anything...that is fine....the idea is the commands that perform the work shoudl also do the build-ordering for you
16:11 < bfinch|away> sot he commands are;
16:12 < bfinch|away> cast (build), dispel (downgrade or remove) , heal (verify and (if needed do the repair(s)), and augur (to look, discover, and manage)
16:12 < blindcoder> if I read a discussion that currently takes place at the RL-Mailinglist exactly this thing is done when doing a cluster build... why it is not for a 'normal' build,  don't know right now
16:12 < bfinch|away> k
16:14 < bfinch|away> all of the "metadata" that is related to defining the package is stored as file(s) in a grimoire ("spell book")
16:14 < bfinch|away> and metadata related to the install is stored in a log area as flat files...
16:15 < bfinch|away> it is really just that simple
16:15 < bfinch|away> i think you guys need to define stuff on your web site as simply
16:15 < bfinch|away> i think it could help
16:16 < blindcoder> hmm... I think it already is that simple here, too. Just a little... underdocumented :)
16:16 < bfinch|away> the documentation was/is a kludge IMHO
16:16 < bfinch|away> ours stinks
16:16 < bfinch|away> but it is to the point
16:16 < bfinch|away> yours meanders
16:17 < bfinch|away> i am bored long before i get to the point
16:17 < bfinch|away> point first
16:17 < bfinch|away> mechanism second
16:17 < bfinch|away> should be the way it is written
16:17 < bfinch|away> IMHO
16:18 < blindcoder> haven't had much look on 'user'-documentation. I usually read the code if I need to find something out
16:18 < bfinch|away> it is also all over the place..leterally and fiquratively
16:18 < blindcoder> so I can't really say anything about the docs
16:18 < bfinch|away> what attracted you to rock in the first place?
16:19 < blindcoder> the fact that I did't like SuSE anymore and that debian fscked its packages up more often than not
16:19 < bfinch|away> and how did you find it
16:19 < blindcoder> two friends of mine pointed me to ROCK then and I had a better look at it on the 18C3 in Berlin
16:19 < bfinch|away> ah
16:19 < bfinch|away> firends
16:19 < bfinch|away> o.k.
16:19 < bfinch|away> !!!
16:20 < blindcoder> after that I poked around with it a bit, wrote a package or two and my patches were applied mostly. So I was happy :)
16:21 < blindcoder> I alssso like the fact that it doesn't try to hide most of the system from you like most 'big' distros do
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16:25 < bfinch|away> k
16:25 < bfinch|away> well i like the fact that is just some scripting
16:25 < bfinch|away> as is sorcerer
16:25 < bfinch|away> which is cool
16:25 < bfinch|away> gentoo is a mess and the coding is "effectively" hidden (at least that is the way i see it)
16:26 < bfinch|away> and i agree about trying to keep things not hidden
16:28 < blindcoder> I had a look at gentoo with esden
16:28 < blindcoder> We absolutely didn't like that it wanted to install XFree when we wanted to install nethack or vim
16:29 < blindcoder> and search through its docs and website revealed nothing whereas a mail to its mailinglist brought some... interesting results:
16:30 < blindcoder> Answer #1: just export Variable IDONTREMEMBERTHENAME to "-X"
16:30 < blindcoder> (didn't work)
16:30 < blindcoder> Answer #2: "It's possible but I don't know how"
16:30 < blindcoder> Answer #3: "It's not possible"
16:31 < blindcoder> unfortunately this is no joke
16:32 < owl> blindcoder: still working? huh?
16:32 < blindcoder> owl: do you have hannes' phone number?
16:32 < owl> blindcoder: yes. moment
16:34 < bfinch|away> blindcoder: yeah i hear alot fo stuff like that
16:34 < bfinch|away> well time to go
16:34 < blindcoder> okay bye! and have fun :)
16:34 < bfinch|away> thanka you again for your time and graciously putting up with my questions and observations
16:34 < bfinch|away> you too
16:35 < bfinch|away> very best reagards
16:35 < blindcoder> oh I will. Time to go home in 30 minutes
16:35 < owl> bye blindcoder. have fun, too
16:35 < blindcoder> owl: I'm not leaving (yet)
16:36 < owl> haeh?
16:40 < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should that customer...
16:40 < blindcoder> should call that
16:42 < owl> haeh? which one?
16:42 < blindcoder> the one who wants to have lynx installed
16:43 < blindcoder> I would have to tell him that he won't have it until Monday cause I've been too lazy to call the Serverteam
16:43 < blindcoder> nah... if it bothers him, I'm sure he'll call again :D
16:44 < owl> hm.
16:44 < blindcoder> okay I'm cleaning up now and leaving then
16:44 < blindcoder> bye bye!
16:45 < owl> bye. have fun.
16:56 < snyke> hm
16:59 < owl> hi snyke
17:10 < zer0_o^> 0wn3ge + kn0wlege = owl-ege
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17:20 < raffi> hhi
17:24 < owl> hi raffi
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18:36 < raffi> hi owl
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18:48 < Lorini> hi everybody
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18:50 < owl> re
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18:51 < Lorini> re owl
18:51 < tcr> hi 3v1l r00t
18:51 < owl> hi Lorini, tcr, cpepe
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18:58 < owl> *lol*
18:59 < Lorini> huch?
18:59 < owl> Lorini: ?
19:00 < Lorini> kicken weil er als root da is?
19:00 < owl> Lorini: sicher.
19:00 < th_> ack
19:00 < SMP> wegen offensichtlicher Daemlichkeit
19:01 < owl> th_: hi
19:01 < blindcoder> being wrong about people would be nice nometimes
19:01 < th_> huhu owl
19:01 < blindcoder> hi all
19:02 < owl> hi blindcoder
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20:27 < owl> damn. i go to bed. gn8
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21:21 < owl> *grml*
21:21 < owl> re
21:25 < blindcoder> schlaflos?
21:25 < SMP> can't sleep?
21:26 < owl> yep. that's horrible :-(
21:26 < blindcoder> I know that feeling...
21:26 < blindcoder> You could try some reading
21:26 < owl> blindcoder: hm. why?
21:27 < SMP>  . o O ( maybe owl's just missing a hug? )
21:27 < raffi> lol
21:27 < owl> SMP: *lol* not really.
21:27 < blindcoder> and I mean a book. Not a manual. Something like Discworld
21:27 < Lorini> owl: think about something that you love
21:28 < owl> blindcoder: i tried reading, listening to music. and so on. i know that _one_ thing could help. but i don't wanna take those fscking pills anymore.
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21:28 < blindcoder> that would be her Laptop :)
21:28 < owl> Lorini: ancoras? oh yeah ;)
21:28 < owl> blindcoder: full ack :)
21:28 < SMP> Lorini: oh I think she has her Laptop right under her pillow ;>
21:28 < blindcoder> One ancoras jumps over the fence. Two ancoras jump over the fence.
21:28 < owl> SMP: i have no pillow anymore. my notebook = my pillow ;)
21:28 < Lorini> *g*
21:29 < owl> blindcoder: eh, that's not fair ;P
21:29 * blindcoder can't sleep either, so he watches Nadesico :)
21:29 < blindcoder> And finally I know where "Naze Nani MegaTokyo" came from :)
21:29 < owl> blindcoder: hehe ;) welcome in the club of sleepless people. who else wants to join? ;)
21:29 < owl> na, was-fuer-ein-ding?
21:29 < SMP> . o O ( One 1.5.20 ISO down the line, two 1.5.20 ISOs down the line, ... )
21:30 < owl> *g*
21:30 < blindcoder> owl: an episode of Megatokyo titled "Naze nani Megatokyo" (haw ond why of MegaTokyo"
21:30 * Lorini joining
21:30 < owl> uff. k.
21:30 < Lorini> where is cap btw?
21:30 * blindcoder letting up the mixers again
21:31 < blindcoder> Lorini: I thought _you_ should know?!
21:31 * Freak killing you softly with this song Helge Schneider - Magiuhana is nit gutta
21:31 < Lorini> blindcoder: mhm. i just wondered why he isnt in here
21:31 * blindcoder drowning Freak in Sulfuracid
21:31 < Freak> hehe
21:32 < Freak> *melting*
21:32 < blindcoder> Lorini: I see
21:33 * blindcoder searching Naze Nani MegaTokyo
21:33 < owl> Lorini: hm. don't you have his mobile phone nr.? ;)
21:33 * owl tries to destroy her headache with: in strict confidence - learn to live
21:34 < Lorini> owl: yes of course. he is online.. but not in _here_ and that after he wanted me to come here :)
21:34 * blindcoder listening to Hunz - Broken Wings ("You've come a long way to die tonight")
21:34 < owl> Lorini: hm. why do you complain, if you see, that he's online? (in icq or something like that?) ;)
21:35 < Lorini> owl: im not complaining.. just wondering
21:35 < owl> ah so
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21:36 < blindcoder> here is one: http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=220
21:36 < blindcoder> and it's derived from "Naze Nani Nadesico": Martian Successor Nadesico Episode 13
21:37 < blindcoder> Lorini: think positive! There are people who've lost almost any reason to came here
21:39 * Lorini thinking positive
21:40 < praenti> hi
21:41 < praenti> blindcoder: can you help me with creating a 1.7 iso?
21:41 < blindcoder> praenti: what's the problem?
21:41 < praenti> what i have to type after build-target has finished. documentation says that this is not implemented yet
21:42 < owl> hi praenti
21:42 < owl> Lorini: optimistin?
21:42 < blindcoder> have you built a bootdisk-target as well?
21:42 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Config -cfg bootdisk
21:43 < praenti> how do i do that?
21:43 < blindcoder> Then Target 'bootdisk'
21:43 < Lorini> owl: nein, ich tu nur so
21:43 < blindcoder> then ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg bootdisk
21:44 < owl> Lorini: gut so. pessimisten leben laenger ;)
21:45 < blindcoder> and then you can do: ./scripts/Create-ISO -size 700 my_cd_set bootdisk whateveryourotherconfigiscalled
21:45 < praenti> ok. now i'm waiting. how do i continue then?
21:45 < praenti> ok
21:45 < praenti> thx
21:45 < blindcoder> then you'll have a nice set of easy-to-burn isos
21:45 < blindcoder> btw: installation as follows:
21:46 < blindcoder> partitioning mounting etc,  and then `mine -i -v -root /mnt/target /mnt/source/blablabla/*.gem` repeat as necessary for each CD
21:47 < Lorini> owl: genau so ist es. wobei ich ein "länger" durch ein "besser" ersetzen würde
21:48 < owl> Lorini: nack. imho laenger... laenger und gequaelter oder so
21:48 < blindcoder> Lorini: Optimist sein ist schwierig
21:49 < Lorini> owl: pessimisten bringen sich eher um
21:49 < rolla> vim
21:49 < Lorini> blindcoder: naja.. wie mans nimmt
21:49 < rolla> damn wrong window
21:50 < owl> Lorini: ... oder vegetieren jahrelang vor sich hin. und da sie immer pech haben, sterben sie dann eh erst in einem hohen alter...
21:51 < Lorini> owl: pessimisten haben aber nicht immer pech.. sie denken nur sie haben immer pech
21:52 < blindcoder> hey, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they are _NOT_ after me!
21:52 < Lorini> lol
21:52 < owl> Lorini: *gruebel* wirklich? ich kann mich an nichts positives mehr erinnern...
21:53 < Lorini> owl: ja.. aber das bedeutet ja nicht, dass da nichts war. an manches erinnert man sich eben net
21:54 * blindcoder erinnert sich an die letzten zwei Jahre... und springt ausm Fenster...
21:54 < blindcoder> _VERDAMMT_!
21:54 < blindcoder> Erdgeschoss :)
21:55 < Lorini> *g* tja.. leute ohne grips habens schwer
21:55 * blindcoder <--- Baaakaaa!
21:56 * SMP goes to bed (and will sleep like a baby ;p)
21:56 < owl> SMP: gute nacht. bye.
21:56 < blindcoder> night SMP!
21:57 < rolla> b4k4
21:57 < blindcoder> haaai!
21:57 < rolla> l33t
21:57 < rolla> b33r
21:57 < blindcoder> Capture the b34r!
21:57 < rolla> f4@r
21:57 < owl> hi rolla
21:58 < blindcoder> ph34r m4 l33t n3kkid sk1llz!
21:58 < owl> oh god. what's wrong today? i read "beer" so often...
21:58 < blindcoder> got root (beer)?
21:58 < rolla> :)
21:58 < rolla> too much mega tokyo
21:58 < owl> too much anime
21:59 < blindcoder> rolla: yes... and I finally found out where "Naze Nani Megatokyo" came from :)
21:59 < owl> now just the word "w33d" is missing ;P
21:59 < blindcoder> m00t!
21:59 < blindcoder> w00t!
21:59 < owl> tstststst.
22:02 < rolla> owl never
22:03 < blindcoder> rolla: can there be such a thing as 'too much anime"?
22:03 < owl> rolla: why not? ;)
22:03 < blindcoder> owl: this clearly states that you don't know what Anime is :3
22:04 < owl> blindcoder: bllllllllllll ;PPPP
22:04 * blindcoder pulling owl tongue out and letting it snatch back
22:04 < owl> ts. boeser blindcoder ;P
22:05 * blindcoder <-- 3v1l l33t
22:06 < blindcoder> owl: don't FAOK
22:06 < owl> faok?
22:06 < rolla> nope
22:06 < owl> huh?
22:06 < rolla> w33d :(
22:07 < blindcoder> _f_ allen _a_ sleep _o_ ver _k_ eyboard
22:07 < rolla> and there can never be to much Anime :)
22:07 < owl> blindcoder: i won't
22:07 < blindcoder> rolla: You'll never find such cute girls in Real Life, that's the sad thing >_<
22:08 < rolla> true. But my wife is plenty cute for me :)
22:08 < blindcoder> *pure* *envy*
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22:13 * blindcoder going to bed, dreaming of a better life
22:13 < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai, mina-san!!
22:13 < Lorini> hm
22:13 < Lorini> heißt das gute nacht?
22:14 < blindcoder> ja :)
22:14 < Lorini> *g*
22:14 < Lorini> nacht du
22:14 < blindcoder> "oyasumi nasai" = Gute Nacht
22:14 < blindcoder> "Mina" = Alle, Jeder
22:14 < Lorini> jepp.. sagt ein freund auch immer..
22:14 < Lorini> daher kannte ichs :)
22:14 < blindcoder> "-san" = 'foermliche' Nachsilbe :)
22:14 < blindcoder> gute nacht *winke*\
22:15 < Lorini> nacht :)
22:15 < owl> gute nacht blindcoder
22:17 < raffi> bye
22:21 < owl> I HATE THOSE FSCKING PARENTS!!!!!!! *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:22 < raffi> what's wrong with them?
22:23 < owl> they want to force me to sleep. but i can't sleep right now! damn! i hate them!
22:23 < owl> "oh girl, you're soooooooooo ill. you HAVE TO SLEEP"
22:23 < raffi> :-)
22:23 < raffi> how old are you?
22:24 < owl> and they're screeming 24 hours/day, 7 days/week, 365 days/year
22:24 < owl> 18
22:24 < raffi> i c
22:24 < owl> i hate them, and they hate me!
22:24 < owl> they should have bought a dog instead of "made" a person
22:24 < owl> *argh*'
22:25 < Lorini> owl: kannste nicht ausziehen?
22:25 < owl> Lorini: nein. noch nicht. wenn das so weitergeht, dann werde ich wohl - aehm - massnahmen ergreifen... aber des geht fruehstens nach dem urlaub (--> irgendwann im juli)
22:26 < Lorini> owl: also mein verhältnis zu meiner mutter wurde schlagartig besser als ich ausgezogen bin
22:27 < owl> hm. aber als azubi kannste des ned wirklich. vor allem ned, wenn du schon alle ca. 160 euro fuer bahn-karte brauchst
22:27 < owl> und 'ne wohnung in muenchen... oh mann... des kann man vergessen...
22:27 < Lorini> oh münchen
22:27 < Lorini> ja.. dann ja
22:27 < owl> (ausserdem waere dann noch die schule in ingolstadt ... usw.)
22:28 < Lorini> ja. naja studentenwohnheim ist halt doch praktisch
22:28 < owl> ja. das glaube ich dir gerne
22:28 < Lorini> is aber extrem klein :)
22:29 < owl> aber des ist echt zum kotzen! wegen diesen idioten habe ich SVV und depressionen! danke vielmals - ich HASSE SIE!!!
22:30 < owl> lieber eine besenkammer und freiheit, als eingsperrt und mit diesen _eltern_ unter einem dach wohnen
22:30 < Lorini> hmm. naja.. ich weiß nicht ob man das so sagen kann "wegen denen"..
22:30 < owl> Lorini: wie denn dann?
22:30 < Lorini> mag ja durchaus sein, dass sie dazu beitragen. aber verantwortlich für dein leben bist immer noch du
22:30 < Lorini> finde ich
22:36 * owl plays loud: slipknot - my plague && slipknot - people = shit!
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22:48 < th_> ist das normal, dass man beim openoffice nicht mal ne rechtschreib-pruefung zum laufen kriegt?
22:53 < raffi> ist es normal dass man openoffice zum laufen kriegt?
22:53 < raffi> bei mir geht bzw kriecht es
22:53 < raffi> :-)
22:59 < owl> gn8 everyone
22:59 < rolla> nacht
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23:33 < snyke> weiss einer von euch was besser is für web-einsätze: php/perl?
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