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00:45 < owl> gn8
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00:57 < owl> re and gn8 && bye
01:10 < Freak> (|
01:10 < Freak> gnite @ll
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02:23 < capone> hi
02:23 < capone> blindcoder
02:23 < capone> switch (c) {
02:23 < capone>            case '0': case '1': case '2': case '3': case '4': statement
02:24 < capone> hehe, at the end i found it :p
02:24 < capone> and ranges:
02:24 < capone>            case '0'..'4' : statement
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10:53 < owl> hi
10:59 < Freak> hi
11:05 < owl> *ARGH* i hate this stupid proxy!
11:05 < owl> brb
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11:11 < blindcoder> moin
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11:18 < owl> re
11:18 < blindcoder> re owly!
11:19 < owl> hi blindy
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11:44 < owl> haha. all those guys r using the wrong irc-server... ;P
11:44 < blindcoder> hehe
11:44 < owl> wb blindy
11:44 < blindcoder> no I'm using the right one!
11:45 < blindcoder> cause you were  gone, so it was the right one :D
11:45 < Freak> owl: all those guys and you. <-- owl has quit (saberhagen.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:46 < blindcoder> -!- Netsplit benford.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl
11:46 < blindcoder> Freak: dito
11:46 < owl> Freak: heah? nee, wann???
11:46 < Freak> and you quit as well, blindcoder
11:46 < Freak> but I seem to have quitted for you as well, huh?
11:46 < Freak> weölö
11:46 < Freak> well whatever
11:46 < owl> when did it quit me?
11:47 < Freak> no timestamping at freak's
11:47 < blindcoder> owl: do you _know_ what a netsplih is?
11:47 < blindcoder> netsplit
11:47 < owl> ah. i know that i had problems during the night. but not _now_
11:47 < owl> blindcoder: hm. i could not explain it...
11:48 < Freak> it's not _your_ problem actuall.
11:48 < Freak> y
11:48 < Freak> dang this apple keyboard is weird ;)
11:48 < Freak> its not me making the typos, its the apple keyboard
11:48 < blindcoder> owl: it means, that one server (temporarily) disconnects from the network
11:48 < Freak> (:
11:48 < owl> *lol*
11:48 < owl> blindcoder: k. yeah.
11:48 < owl> Freak: it's not me, typing the words, it's ancoras
11:48 < blindcoder> owl: so anyone connected to that server seems to quit for the rest and vice versa
11:49 < Freak> ancoras?
11:49 < owl> Freak: my notebook
11:49 < Freak> blindcoder: ack
11:49 < Freak> ah.
11:49 < owl> blindcoder: yes
11:49 < Freak> yea thats ok for me, owl ;)
11:49 < blindcoder> owl: so if I seem to quit for you, then you semm to quit for me at the same time
11:50 < owl> ah so.
11:50 < blindcoder> *acgh* I really should have plugged that disk on anether bus >_<
11:50 < owl> blindcoder: why?
11:51 < blindcoder> because now, I copy 70 GB from one disk onto another on the same IDE bus >_<
11:51 < blindcoder> and I just noticed it >_<
11:51 < Freak> cul8r
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11:51 < blindcoder> bye Freak
11:51 < owl> by
11:51 < owl> too late
11:52 < owl> blindcoder: haha ;PP
11:52 * blindcoder pulls out owls tongue
11:52 < owl> ned scho wieda
11:54 < blindcoder> 1164 builds total, 962 completed fine, 202 with errors.
11:54 < blindcoder> including Stage 9... hmm... not bad
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12:07 < temr> moin
12:07 < blindcoder> moin temr
12:08 < owl> hi temr
12:08 < blindcoder> in 5 minutes it's lunch time
12:08 < owl> lunch time?
12:08 < blindcoder> FUTTERN
12:08 < owl> oh god. that reminds me, that i  still had no breakfast... *lalala*
12:08 < blindcoder> me neither
12:09 < owl> hm.
12:09 < blindcoder> *LOL*
12:09 < blindcoder> has anyone had a look at package/linux24/linux24.desc lately?
12:09 < blindcoder> It still has version number 2.4.19 but is downloading 2.4.20 >_<
12:10 < owl> *lol*
12:10 < blindcoder> oh well...
12:10 < blindcoder> I'm hungry
12:10 * owl too
12:10 < blindcoder> and going to eat something now
12:10 < blindcoder> see you!
12:10 < owl> ok. good appettit
12:12 < owl> (one man less... great ;)))
12:27 < SMP> hmm
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12:31 < owl> *grml*
12:35 < blindcoder> ro
12:35 < blindcoder> re
12:37 < owl> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
12:37 < owl> wb blindcoder
12:38 < owl> why is the fscking vnc complaining about not finding such shared libraries???
12:38 < blindcoder> is it there?
12:38 < owl> where???
12:38 < blindcoder> in one of /lib /usr/lib
12:39 < blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.*
12:39 < blindcoder> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           33 Dec  1 12:43 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.3-2.so.3
12:39 < owl> nope. it's not there.
12:40 < blindcoder> well, why do wonder that it's not findng it then?
12:40 < owl> it's gcc specific stuff, isn't it?
12:40 < SMP> no
12:40 < owl> what then?
12:40 < owl> hi SMP, btw
12:40 < blindcoder> hi SM
12:40 < blindcoder> hi SMP
12:40 < SMP> it is to C++ what libc is to C
12:41 < owl> hm. k.
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15:46 * tcr hails all
15:48 < owl> hi tcr
17:16 < huebi> moin
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17:16 < owl> hi huebi
17:16 < huebi> hi owl
17:17 < huebi> owl: Moechtest du die JavaStation immer noch haben?
17:17 < owl> huebi: bist du 19C3?
17:17 < huebi> jo
17:17 < owl> huebi: ja, aber erst im januar bitte...
17:17 < owl> dann 19C3 bitte, falls moeglich ;
17:17 < huebi> ok
17:17 < owl> danke. das kostet dann?
17:17 < huebi> bring ich mit. 125EUR
17:18 < owl> oki. kann ich dir des dann januar ueberweisen, bitte?
17:18 * owl = almost pleite
17:18 < huebi> jo, geht auch klar.
17:18 < owl> danke :))
17:18 < owl> huebi: wie geht's dir so?
17:19 < huebi> ganz gut.
17:20 < owl> noch keine grippe-viren aufgeschnappt?
17:20 < huebi> nee, noch nicht. habe ich auch nicgt vor.
17:21 < owl> du gluecklicher.
17:21 < owl> vor hatte ich's eigentlich auch ned. :P
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17:26 < owl> huebi: meinst du dass es klar geht, wenn meine bescheidene und ueberfluessige wenigkeit, beim 19c3 mit rock im hackcenter sitzen kann?
17:27 < huebi> Jo, das geht klar. Ich kann mir gut vorstellen, dass dir ein Rock richtig gut steht.
17:27 < owl> huebi: :PPP
17:27 < owl> rocklinux
17:28 < owl> (menno, ich bin schreibfaul)
17:28 < huebi> *g* auch das geht klar.
17:28 < owl> oki. spassiba ;)
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17:45 < hackbard> rene!
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19:16 < tcr> hi bishophome
19:16 < bishophome> hi
19:17 < bishophome> hat einer von euch den vortrag von cliforf heut gesehn?
19:19 < tcr> nope
19:20 < bishophome> war recht lustig ein gericom laptop mit win xp das hat ja nicht gutegehn können
19:29 < owl> hi bishophome
19:29 < owl> *g* gericom... bug inside... win xp --> experienced bug... ;P
19:30 < SMP> welcher Vortrag?
19:35 < bishophome> linux in österreich sorry war grad am suchen
19:35 < bishophome> an unserer htl
19:36 < bishophome> ich mein ich hab auch nen gericom aber da weis keiner das es einer is http://62.40.148.66/laptop.jpg
19:53 < snyke> can I do some advertisements now? please! :)
19:56 < esden> hi all
19:56 < owl> hi esden
19:57 < snyke> hi esden
19:57 < snyke> esden: today is the interview with Tim Riker
19:57 < snyke> just if you are interested
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19:59 < netcrow> hai
19:59 < esden> hmm ... I have to go to a birthday party at 21
19:59 < esden> hi netcrow 
19:59 < owl> hi netcrow
19:59 < bishophome> hi netcrow
19:59 < snyke> esden: evil.
19:59 < netcrow> esden: @ bitz?
19:59 < esden> urgh ... the 19C3 page is so bright ! :-(
19:59 < esden> netcrow: yes
19:59 < esden> netcrow: but not very long ... 
19:59 < snyke> if anyone else is interested: #gametome at 21 GMT -> 22 uhr CET
19:59 < netcrow> who is there too?
19:59 < esden> netcrow: nobody
19:59 < snyke> s/uhr/ o'clock
19:59 < netcrow> ./ignore snyke
20:00 < esden> netcrow: do you know where fake is ?
20:00 < netcrow> i don`t know
20:00 < netcrow> finger fake ? ;)
20:00 < snyke> netcrow: do!
20:01 < netcrow> bitz has now wavelan..bähh
20:01 < esden> netcrow: yes ... that is right ;-)
20:01 * -> esden is currently connected over wlan ;-)
20:01 < owl> *grml* and i have no card :-( *crying*
20:02 < esden> owl: buy one ;-)
20:03 < owl> esden: hm. which one? where? how much does it cost? and: where's a sponsor? ;P
20:03 < netcrow> ich leih mir eine vom hannes zum 19c3
20:04 < owl> hm. im bus waere es cool eine zu haben...
20:04 < owl> aber wer hat noch eine zu verleihen? wohl niemand... ?!
20:05 < esden> netcrow: ja ... die die ich mommentan habe ... ich muss mir anscheinend eine bis dahin kaufen ... >_<
20:05 < netcrow> genau ;)
20:05 < esden> netcrow: grrr
20:06 < owl> esden: haha ;PPP+
20:06 < netcrow> if i paid 100 euro more i had a wavelancard in my notebook
20:07 < esden> netcrow: I call this stupidity ... ;-)
20:07 < netcrow> muss jetzt erstmal den urlaub abklären...
20:07 < netcrow> esden: i need no wavelan...@ home...
20:07 < esden> netcrow: dann mache es mal
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20:08 < esden> netcrow: du brauchst es da nicht nur weil du keinen access point hast ... 
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20:10 < netcrow> hm, soll ich noch ins bitz fahren?
20:10 < owl> vote now!
20:10 < owl> scnr
20:12 < esden> netcrow: musst du wissen ... aber ich muss kurz vor 21 weg 
20:13 * bishophome is away: I'm busy
20:19 < netcrow> ah, wieder ein date?
20:20 < netcrow> kirche?
20:20 < netcrow> *g*
20:20 < esden> noe ... geburtstag
20:20 < esden> leider kein date
20:21 < esden> aber ... wer weiss ... an geburtstagen sind oft viele interessante "leute" da
20:21 < esden> ;-)
20:21 < owl> maenner ;P
20:21 < esden> owl: ja ... gibts was ?
20:21 < owl> :PPP
20:21 < esden> owl: ich kann genauso sagen ... frauen ... und ?
20:21 < owl> ach ja, hat jemand einen hacker fuer mich bitte? ;P
20:22 < owl> pah ;P
20:22 < esden> owl: was willst du mit nem hacker bitteschoen
20:22 * netcrow hat ein hackebeil für dich
20:22 < netcrow> nen lustigen holzhacker will sie ;)
20:22 < owl> esden: hm. weiss ich auch ned
20:22 < esden> netcrow: ja ... kannst den in richtung owl schwingen ?
20:22 < owl> netcrow: ruhe da! ;P
20:23 < owl> ein hackbeil doch ned. 'nen holzhacker auch ned
20:23 < owl> (was denken die leute eigentlich ;P)
20:23 < esden> owl: metallhacker ?
20:23 < owl> esden: neeeein. ned so ganz.
20:23 < netcrow> hackepeter
20:23 < owl> pah
20:28 < netcrow> brb (ebanking)
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20:37 < netcrow> dam
20:41 * -> esden off ... cu tomorrow
20:41 < netcrow> bye
20:42 < owl> bye esden
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20:45 < Mike1> hi all
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20:50 < owl> hi Mike1
20:52 < Mike1> hi SED
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21:05 * Mike1 gives a hug to owl
21:06 < owl> no hug, please
21:07 < Mike1> it wasn't a jike hug
21:07 < Mike1> joke*
21:08 < owl> that's more horrible
21:08 < owl> i hate _hugs_!!!
21:09 < Mike1> thanks
21:10 < Mike1> hate me too desgraciada!
21:10 < owl> *grml* i don't hate you. i just hate the hug
21:15 < Mike1> ping esden
21:22 < owl> esden = off
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21:30 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
21:30 < owl> hi blindcoder
21:30 < blindcoder> hi owly
21:30 * blindcoder crashed his outer by sheer stupidity
22:07 -!- KeM [~Trinox@c81-0-132-69.catch.sdsl.no] has joined #rocklinux
22:07 < owl> hi KeM
22:07 < KeM> Hi
22:08 < blindcoder> hi KeM
22:09 < KeM> Hi blindcoder, and everybody else for that matter..
22:14 < tcr> oh, a norski
22:14 < KeM> heh.. sure
22:16 < tcr> i'm often surrounded by svenkis and finns :) hear a lot of stuff about you guys XD
22:17 < KeM> what stuff ?? :)
22:17 < tcr> well dunno...
22:18 < tcr> it seems there is a quite funny atmosphere between you north folks
22:18 < KeM> well, making fun of each other creates a funny atmosphere for sure.. :)
22:19 < tcr> yap, that's what i get all time
22:22 < KeM> So.. anyone care to tell me what's special about rock ? And why this is a cool dist..
22:23 < KeM> Just out of curiosity..
22:24 < tcr> hmm..
22:25 < tcr> well, say what you expect it to be or to get from it, then i can say if it's the right thing
22:25 < Mike1> bye all
22:25 < Mike1> have a great weekend guys
22:25 < owl> bye Mike1
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22:26 < Mike1> owl: you can reach me anytime at mike@linuxlabs.com
22:26 < Mike1> bye
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22:26 < owl> haeh?
22:26 < owl> *confused*
22:28 < KeM> Hmm.. what can I say.. Want a dist that don't restrain me.. That don't complain if i tune it to my needs. Don't use funny wierd software to manage the sys. KISS is mandatory. But still not anarkistic against standards..
22:29 < blindcoder> brb
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22:30 < KeM> Got some feelings about the simplicity of the *BSD's but they are sooo retro, eg. hardware support etc..
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22:30 < blindcoder> ah, finally from my own PC again :)
22:31 < tcr> KeM: many people say rock is very bsd like. i can't rate that since i never used a bsd
22:31 < tcr> but you should give it a try
22:34 < KeM> For sure.. but.. package managment. How do rock keep track of whats installed ? I've read the "ROCK GUIDE" but it's quite unclear on how the software is managed..
22:36 < tcr> it will create some directories in /var/adm: flists/, cksums/, md5sums/, logs/ and packages/
22:36 < tcr> packages/ contains description files of every pkg that's installed
22:37 < KeM> standard tar.{gz,bz2} ?
22:37 < tcr> flists/ contains all files belonging to a pkg (in chksums/ and md5sums/ are the ck- md5sums for these files to verify)
22:38 < tcr> logs/ contains the build logs of the pkgs
22:38 < tcr> yes, in 1.5 all pkgs are tbz2
22:38 < tcr> will change in 1.7 though
22:38 < KeM> to ?
22:39 < tcr> called GEM. it's an own format to easiely get the metadata (description, flists, etc) from a package without the need of extracting it
22:39 < tcr> but pure tbz2 will be still supoprted AFAIK
22:39 < KeM> ok, does it make use of mtime data..
22:40 < tcr> mtime?
22:40 < blindcoder> okay, I'm gone now. installing W2k on a 10GB disk and playing a little
22:40 < blindcoder> see you!
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22:40 < tcr> w2k bluefire?!
22:40 < tcr> arghs
22:40 < tcr> damn tab completion
22:40 < KeM> modification time..
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22:40 < tcr> yeah, but how should it make use of it?
22:41 < KeM> If mtime newer, file has changed.. etc..
22:42 < KeM> Could be a good thing, but is mostly irritating..
22:42 < KeM> heh.
22:42 < tcr> ah
22:42 < tcr> no, it's handled much better
22:42 < tcr> namely by checking the md5sums of the files
22:42 < KeM> godie
22:42 < KeM> goodie..
22:44 < KeM> It's going to be a hassle installing heh.. Will never buy new hardware ever again..
22:46 < tcr> my fastes box is a pIII 500mhz XD
22:47 < KeM> heh, just bought a xp2000 and some funny mainboard with the vt8235 chip and hpt374 neither is supported in the stable linus kernel..
22:47 < KeM> Had to install gentoo to get linux onto the box
22:48 < tcr> got its kernel patches for it?
22:48 < tcr> with those every distro should run ;)
22:48 < KeM> Well depends.. the kernel used during installation have to support ..
22:49 < KeM> think 2.4.20 have support for both.. haven't chehked..
22:49 < KeM> wtf.. chehked ??
22:50 < tcr> i'm using 2.5 anyway
22:51 < KeM> possible to install rock with 2.5 kernel ?
22:51 < KeM> or rather use the 2.5 to install rock ?
22:52 < KeM> 2.5 got native support for both chips..
22:52 < KeM> :)
22:52 < tcr> nah. 2.4 is shipped with rock
22:52 < tcr> but the first thing after _every_ installation (of _every_ distro) is to compile your own kernel
22:52 < tcr> so it doesnt hurt much
22:53 < tcr> it would probably a pain in the ass if the unstable tree was used
22:54 < KeM> Well.. I'm finding it kind of diffucult to install, when it don't find my discs.. Grr.. SCSI next time.. for sure..
22:54 < KeM> :)
22:54 < KeM> Might perhaps be possible with some form of hacking with a ramdisk..
22:55 < tcr> sure
22:55 < KeM> "I'm a hacker.. and I'm using rock linux" heh..
22:56 < tcr> you could also use every linux on cd distribution that has got 2.5 support
22:56 < KeM> do they exist ?
22:56 < tcr> dunno
22:57 < KeM> Yikes.. Gotta have floppies then.. Damn, haven't used those since.. well.. I can't remember.
22:57 < tcr> it shouldnt even be a problem to install rocklinux over the current system without booting a new kernel
22:58 < tcr> that's always just a question of skill ;)
22:59 < KeM> hah.. got it.. pivot_root is your friend..
22:59 < tcr> starting the installed 2.5 kernel in single user mode, and chrooting to a cd with your ROCK build on
23:00 < tcr> should work AFAICS
23:03 < KeM> <-- bored blurgh..
23:03 < fake> hi
23:03 < KeM> hello..
23:04 < tcr> moin
23:04 < fake> KeM: talking about 1.5 or 1.7 ?
23:04 < KeM> dunno.. heh..
23:04 < fake> did you download an iso?
23:05 < KeM> well.. yes I have downloaded the 1.5 iso
23:05 < fake> hm...
23:05 < fake> then i can't help you ;)
23:06 < fake> 1.7 supports building a "install"-kernel with 2.5.
23:06 < fake> ans also as a system kernel
23:06 < KeM> well perhaps i should set 1.7 as my goal then..
23:06 < tcr> 1.5 not?
23:07 < fake> tcr: not sure
23:07 < fake> tcr: with a bit of handwork, it might also work.
23:07 < tcr> recently someone said it is
23:08 < tcr> but i cant remember if it related to 1.5 or 1.7
23:08 < owl> what works? or not?
23:09 < owl> (in 2 words please)
23:10 < KeM> installingeither1.5og1.7 onnewhardwareeg.vt8235andhpt374
23:10 * owl gets eye-cancer
23:12 < owl> KeM: for what? do you want a (more) stable system or a system where you wanna do development for 1.7? or for what do you plan to use your system?
23:12 < fake> owl: it's just a boot problem
23:13 < owl> fake: ah so.
23:13 < owl> and caused by what?
23:13 < fake> too new hardware
23:13 < owl> ah...
23:14 < owl> but why "installing 1.5. or 1.7"?? *confused*
23:14 < KeM> well, just want to install rock on my comp.. that's about it.. But since i have too new hardware it's kind of complicated
23:14 < fake> you can build 1.7 bootdisks/systems with a 2.5 kernel by just selecting it in scripts/Configure
23:15 < fake> KeM: two solutions. a) wait for 2.6 b) build a 1.7 system with 2.5.
23:15 < KeM> I dont know 1.5 from 1.7.. never used rock before..
23:15 < fake> 1.5 is the stabilizing branch, getting 1.6
23:15 < fake> 1.7 is a playfield for developers ;)
23:16 < fake> getting 2.0 somewhen
23:16 < fake> s,getting,becoming,
23:18 < owl> aeh, hi fake, btw.
23:18 < fake> good evening.
23:25 < owl> *yawn*
23:25 < owl> gn8.
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23:30 < owl> re (half an hour too early :-(((
23:32 < fake> hae?
23:33 < owl> in half an hour (if then it's 00:00 o'clock) i can disconnect and reconnect with free-isp...
23:36 < owl> btw, is there a script like MAKEDEV for devfs, too?
23:36 < tcr> lol
23:37 < owl> tcr: ?
23:38 < owl> tcr: you don't know what i'm doing, so be quiet and don't even try to offend me!
23:38 < tcr> lololol
23:38 < owl> ARGH!!!
23:39 < owl> does the ignore function work correct in irssi? let's test it. congrats tcr btw, you will be the first person who will be added to ignore-list!+
23:40 < tcr> lolololololol
23:40 < Ge0rG> lol :]
23:42 < tcr> in truth she loves me *bg*
23:45 < fake> owl: devfsd
23:45 < fake> MAKEOLDCOMPAT
23:46 < owl> fake: aeh? i'm not using it in rock... i'm trying to build my own linux-system from scratch...
23:46 < fake> but MAKEDEV is not needed for devices which drivers are devfs-aware
23:46 < fake> owl: so?
23:47 < owl> hm??
23:47 < fake> devfsd only makes symlinks, and can't help you if a driver doesn't register a device correctly to the devfs tree
23:47 < owl> yeah. but i guess at first you have to create the devfs tree, haven't you?
23:47 < fake> no.
23:48 < fake> mount -t devfs none /dev
23:48 < owl> oh, ok. thx.
23:48 < fake> if, for example, you say modprobe aic7xxx
23:48 < fake> the /dev/scsi/*/*/*/* is auto-created
23:48 < fake> (in case you have an aic7xxx ;)
23:49 < owl> no. i'm also trying to mount a cdrom on a floppy-device ;P
23:49 < owl> but thx a lot ;)
23:49 < fake> you are trying _what_ ?
23:50 < owl> fake: hm? why?
23:50 < fake> what are you trying to do?
23:50 < fake> mount -t iso9660 /dev/floppy/0 /mnt/cdrom ?
23:50 < fake> *g*
23:50 < owl> trying to build my own linux from scratch system...
23:51 < owl> (have to much time and so... --> i get ill ideas ;)
23:51 < fake> well, i already got that, but what do you mean by ""
23:51 < fake> aeh
23:51 < owl> by ""?? *confused*
23:51 < fake> "mount a cdrom on a floppy device"
23:51 < fake> . o O ( my middle mouse-button doesnt work.. ? )
23:51 < tcr> women and technics, you know fake..
23:52 < fake> tcr: *nod*
23:52 < fake> *g*
23:52 < owl> nothing. just like "trying to modprobl aic7xxx with not such a controller"
23:52 < owl> fake: mouse? gmp? ;P haha
23:53 < fake> owl: 2.5.50 kernel-config problem, i assume. it works with 2.4.x ... (you can do modprobe ps2-mouse in 2.5... or even modprobe keyboard *g*)
23:54 < owl> for what do i need a keyboard?
23:55 < fake> for breaking stuff
23:55 < fake> doing things a woman should not try to do *g*
23:56 < owl> hm? e.g?
23:56 < tcr> "What is this steering whell for?"
23:56 < fake> owl: using a computer
23:56 < owl> ;P
23:57 < fake> j/k
23:57 < owl> computer r the only "creatures" which are understood by women. they're using logical stuff.
23:58 < owl> s/computer/computers
23:58 < fake> with is, by nature, ununderstandeable for women. women don't even understand simple beings like men.
23:58 < fake> s,with,which,
23:59 < owl> simple beings like a men understand: sex?
23:59 < owl> i guess that's the only thing men understand
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