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00:13 < th> has anyone in here experience with using untrusted NFS space? (some way of encryption)
00:14 < tsa> nope.
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00:16 < esden> ok burning src cd ...
00:19 < sjefen> say wasn't this a math project?
00:19 < sjefen> work chan.
00:28 < esden> sjefen: ?
00:28 < sjefen> yeah?
00:30 < sjefen> where are these famous boot disks?
00:33 < esden> which boot disks do you mean ?
00:33 < sjefen> found em' :)
00:37 < sjefen> I've got to install some new hardware.
00:37 < sjefen> some real high end stuff...
00:37 < sjefen> Have to reboot...
00:37 < sjefen> a FLOPPY DRIVE!
00:37 < sjefen> *difficult*
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00:38 * owl kills curl again
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00:43 < th> how to get sources out of a source-rpm?
00:44 < tsa> hm..install the src.rpm?
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00:44 < tsa> should give you the sources, patches and a .spec
00:44 < th> tsa: i really don't want to install a rpm
00:45 < tsa> th: hm..i see..
00:45 < esden> hmm ... rock builds happyly in stage 2 now ... /me can go to bed now
00:45 < tsa> with alien, you can extract contents of a binary rpm, but i don't know about src.rpms ..
00:45 < esden> th: you can use mc .. it can enter rpm files
00:46 < esden> then you can normally copy stuff out of it
00:46 < esden> like out of a tar or tar.gz
00:47 < sjefen> I hate stuff that only comes in .rpm
00:47 < esden> sjefen: world is not perfect ;-)
00:47 < sjefen> *nods*
00:47 < esden> but we try our best here on rocklinux ;-)
00:47 < th> esden: thanks
00:47 < esden> th: denada
00:48 < esden> ok ... good night everyone
00:48 < owl> bye,gn8 esden
00:48 < sjefen> laters esden
00:50 < th> hmmm that cfsnfs sf-project did nothing but packagin the original source from tgz into srpm...
00:50 < th> bastards..
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00:52 < tsa> hehe
00:53 < sjefen> reboot again. Have to uninstall "the thing".
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00:57 < rolla_> grr redhat is dumb
00:59 < sjefen> anyone here cracked a amibios password before?
01:00 < owl> sjefen: nope. but i guess that i still can remember a "masterpwd"...
01:01 < sjefen> oh, that would help right now.
01:01 < sjefen> forgot the pass on my old p90
01:01 < owl> ok. i guess it was: lkwpeter
01:01 < owl> or: ami?
01:01 < sjefen> ami
01:01 < owl> try different types of writing
01:02 < owl> yes.. you should type "ami?"
01:02 < sjefen> it's 6 chars
01:02 < sjefen> one case only
01:02 < owl> haeh?
01:02 < owl> your pwd?
01:02 < sjefen> remember the input pad in the bios
01:02 < sjefen> 6 chars max.
01:02 < owl> urgs...
01:02 < sjefen> it's waaay old.
01:03 < owl> it's almost a dead pc...
01:03 < sjefen> I've had about a zillion passwords in my past...
01:03 < owl> hm.
01:04 < sjefen> I remember last time I tried to crack the sucker, I tried to jank the bios chip out of the motherboard. Never in my life heard worse sounds.
01:04 < owl> let's aks google
01:04 < sjefen> The chip has grown stuck.
01:04 < owl> www.pcsupport.dk/support/masterpassword.htm
01:05 < owl> might you should try them :)
01:05 < sjefen> hum.
01:06 < owl> do you have the version number of your bios?
01:06 < sjefen> gimme sec.
01:07 < sjefen> no clue. probably version 1 or something :)
01:07 < owl> urgs
01:07 < sjefen> it says A772
01:08 < sjefen> whatever that is.
01:08 < sjefen> and it's a serial with about 30 numbers...
01:09 < owl> hm. k.
01:09 < sjefen> I've cracked it once before. But it's ages ago.
01:09 < sjefen> I guess I'll just have to think *realy* *hard*
01:09 < owl> hrhr. but nice to know... it's crackable... jsut to find out how...
01:09 < sjefen> heh
01:09 < owl> i guess one solution could be to remove the "backup battery" on the mainbaord...
01:10 < sjefen> I've gotta try girls names for the last... like... 10 years. *grin*
01:10 < sjefen> owl: tried that.
01:10 < owl> damn
01:10 < owl> jumpers?
01:10 < sjefen> owl: it's stuck like hell. It's been there for like... many years.
01:10 < sjefen> everything just makes a crack'y sound when I try to move it.
01:10 < sjefen> it's like one big living oranism.
01:10 < owl> ahrg. not so nice
01:11 < owl> hm. did you try some of the passwords..?
01:12 < sjefen> yeah, it's a waste. I need something brutal here. Like a shovel or something.. argh
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01:13 < owl> nonono
01:13 < sjefen> :)
01:13 * owl = happy, that she isn't sjefen's pc
01:13 < sjefen> heh
01:13 < owl> *g* scnr
01:14 < sjefen> I need a beer to remember this darn' password.
01:15 < owl> *ouch* "Hol dir den geilsten HACKERTOOLZ virus" << stupid guys
01:15 < sjefen> yupp. pretty lame.
01:17 < sjefen> so owl, how long have you been using linux?
01:18 < owl> uh. can't remember that fact. i'm too stupid to remember
01:18 < sjefen> heh
01:19 < sjefen> you always used linux?
01:19 < owl> nope
01:19 < sjefen> I've only used linux for like the last 5 years or so.
01:19 < sjefen> dont remember exactly neither.
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01:43 < LocalHero> Hello :)
01:43 < sjefen> olla :)
01:43 < owl> LocalHero:
01:43 < owl> haeh? hi LocalHero
01:43 < owl> irssi, don't cheat me!
01:45 < LocalHero> Wow, finaly i have started to build 1.6.0pre :)
01:45 < owl> congrats
01:45 < LocalHero> Well Tobias Rittweiler mailed me the source :)
01:46 < owl> hm. k.
01:46 < LocalHero> Is it possible to start several ./script/Download -base ? I mean, when i have 100mbps connection its usualy the remote server that is slow :)
01:46 < tsa> yes.
01:47 < LocalHero> tsa, and there will be no strange "writing the same file" issues
01:47 < tsa> nope - we're doing some "very basic" file locking
01:48 < LocalHero> tsa, sounds great :)
01:48 < LocalHero> I must say that rock 1.5.20 is very stable, cant wait to try 1.6.0pre :)
01:49 < sjefen> LocalHero : hey know any easy ways to waste a ami bios password?
01:49 < tsa> open case, put reset jumper on baord?
01:49 < owl> LocalHero: *g* might you should ask SMP what he thinks about 1.5.20... :P
01:50 < LocalHero> owl, oki?!? :)
01:50 < sjefen> tsa : OLD machine.
01:50 < tsa> ah, i see
01:50 < sjefen> tsa : jumper = nope. battery = nope. BIOS chip = nope.
01:50 < owl> ,
01:50 < owl> aaah.
01:50 < tsa> open case, put water in - bios password will be reset. (some other things, too)
01:50 < LocalHero> sjefen, well reseting the cmos data should do it. In other case you could alvays use another computer and burn antoher bios into it
01:51 < sjefen> hehe
01:52 < LocalHero> sjefen, you can find some crack utilites at http://astalavista.box.sk/
01:52 < sjefen> hehe
01:52 < sjefen> redirecting me to oldskool box.sk :)
01:52 < sjefen> I think I'll just get my hammer.
01:52 < LocalHero> sjefen, its a very anoying site with lots of popups but if you search for a while you should get it
01:53 < sjefen> LocalHero : I've found many neat programs at astalavista yeah :)
01:53 < LocalHero> sjefen, nobody works?
01:53 < LocalHero> Whats the motherboard model?
01:53 < sjefen> LocalHero : haven't started there yet'.
01:54 < LocalHero> searching for ami password gives a few hits
01:54 < sjefen> it's too brutal.
01:54 < sjefen> the 'generic ones' have been tried, but that ain't the way.
01:54 < sjefen> I'm going in with a screwdriver and try to unjam stuff soon :)
01:56 < LocalHero> Well then the screwdriver should do the trick :)
01:56 < sjefen> think so :)
01:56 < sjefen> I've tried before, but the motherboard makes noises of death when I try.
01:56 < sjefen> but this time, I will be merciless.
01:57 < sjefen> I'll bend on that BIOS chip till it breakes.
01:57 * owl wants to be this "almost dead motherboard"
01:57 < tsa> owl: you want to be broken, then? ;)
01:57 < owl> tsa: nope. to be dead..
01:57 < sjefen> well, I bet I can jumpstart this sucker :)
02:00 < LocalHero> have you tried to flash the bios or remove the batery?
02:01 < sjefen> LocalHero : the battery is stuck (been the same place for 10 years or so) but I'm going for the bios chip now.
02:04 < LocalHero> sjefen, well the bios chip wont help you. Its a flash ship so it doesnt need power. If you have an old one its not even flash. Its eeprom
02:04 < LocalHero> Check the bios reset jumper
02:04 < LocalHero> Whats the model of the motherboard
02:05 < sjefen> working on it..
02:07 < sjefen> pentium SI2? It's got a SIS 85C50(1-3) chipset
02:15 < LocalHero> sjefen, oki, no other information?
02:15 < LocalHero> like company ?
02:15 < sjefen> hmm.
02:16 < sjefen> well
02:16 < sjefen> it's made in taiwan :)
02:16 < owl> *lol* like 99.9 % (or so) of motherboards
02:16 < sjefen> hehe
02:17 < LocalHero> hehe :)
02:17 < sjefen> working on it.
02:18 < LocalHero> Oki, what does the bios say when you start up?
02:18 < sjefen> it sais here in the mb that is has 'special 5/3.3v mixed sram' hehe
02:18 < sjefen> AT the mb even.
02:20 < LocalHero> hmm, oki, there is nothing writen betwean the pci buses, like gigabyte has GA-34x or something like that
02:21 < sjefen> MS 5109
02:21 < sjefen> and that is a.
02:21 < sjefen> MSI
02:21 < sjefen> :)
02:22 < sjefen> nope, that is MS: 5109
02:22 < LocalHero> wow, fantastic :)
02:22 < sjefen> and VER:1.3
02:22 < sjefen> hehe
02:22 < LocalHero> thats an msi after all :)
02:23 < sjefen> you sure?
02:24 < LocalHero> I found the manual :)
02:25 < LocalHero> http://www.motherboards.org/manuals/p/MSI-MS-5109/1992.html
02:25 < sjefen> mohaha, and I've janked the AMIKEY chip out :)
02:25 < LocalHero> arrgh, what have you done?
02:25 < sjefen> hehe :)
02:26 < sjefen> it's a removable one.
02:26 < sjefen> but I don't remember what way it was. hope the webpage say something :)
02:27 < LocalHero> sjefen, there is usualy marks that tell :)
02:27 < LocalHero> look for a mark on the chip and one on the socket
02:28 < sjefen> LocalHero : hey, it's old, I've dropped things. It's lots of marks :)
02:28 < th> can someone explain bash-syntax "${1:-18}" to me please?
02:29 < LocalHero> Well, need some sleep, cya all
02:29 < sjefen> LocalHero : thanks :)
02:29 < sjefen> laters LocalHero
02:29 < owl> bye LocalHero
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03:03 < tsa> n8
03:03 < sjefen> laters tsa
03:03 < tsa> cya sjefen
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03:07 < sjefen> nite all.
03:08 < sjefen> heh, yeah, that's probably only me :)
03:08 < sjefen> anyways.
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03:34 < rolla_> anyone here know alot about DNS?
03:38 < th> hmm ack
03:39 < th> rolla_: what's your problem?
03:41 < rolla_> I need to know how to register a DNS server for a domain
03:42 < th> using a NS record
03:42 < rolla_> ?
03:42 < th> is it a subdomain?
03:43 < rolla_> no
03:43 < rolla_> top level
03:43 < rolla_> maisenhelder.net
03:44 < th> so you need to do this at you domain-registrar. because a NS record must be set on .net DNS-server
03:44 < th> s,you,your,
03:45 < rolla_> hmm
03:45 < th> did you ever register a domain?
03:45 < rolla_> yes I registered it throught a website
03:45 < th> and did you enter a NS-server there?
03:46 < th> Maryland Heights, MO 63043?
03:46 < rolla_> no I used theirs
03:46 < rolla_> cause I didn't have the static ips yet
03:46 < th> so you should be able to set NS-servers through that website.
03:46 < th> otherwise you should change the registrar
03:47 < rolla_> yeah I tried that they sent me this message
03:47 < rolla_> This usually means that the nameserver is not a registered nameserver.  You   +need to go the registrar for that nameserver and register it.
03:47 < th> could you bounce that to th@rocklinux.de?
03:48 < rolla_> bonuce what? the email?
03:48 < th> yes
03:48 < rolla_> sure
03:49 < rolla_> sent
03:49 < th> receipt
03:50 < rolla_> they don't say much
03:50 < owl> gn8
03:50 < th> what did you ask them?
03:50 < th> n8 owl
03:51 < th> rolla_: did you try to setup a nameserver and they refused to "use" it for the domain?
03:52 < rolla_> I told them that I tried to change the DNS servers on the site but it told me Unable to add nameserver: Command failed: unable to verify existence of nameserver frisbee.maisenhelder.net
03:52 < rolla_> they have some script that spits that out
03:52 < th> well.
03:53 < rolla_> yeah
03:53 < th> frisbee.maisenhelder.net does not answer queries
03:53 < rolla_> ?
03:53 < th> the name-server does not seem to be running
03:53 < th> dig maisenhelder.net @frisbee.maisenhelder.net SOA
03:53 < th> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
03:54 < th> did you start the name-server?
03:54 < rolla_> yeah I am looking at the now :(
03:56 < th> and "adding a nameserver" is somewhat confusing. you can add a slaving nameserver. but there can only be exactly one primary (or master) name-serverf
03:56 < rolla_> try is now
03:56 < th> and i think you want to add a primary server
03:56 < th> looks better
03:56 < th> but...
03:56 < rolla_> yeah I think I got the primary part right
03:56 < th> SOA is sorta unacceptable
03:56 < th> maisenhelder.net.       7200    IN      SOA     66.136.183.235. dnsadmin.dnsvr.com. 1031575337 14400 7200 950400 7200
03:57 < th> don't use the IP there
03:57 < rolla_> ?
03:57 < th> use a name instead of the IP
03:57 < rolla_> okay
03:58 < th> and change the serial (1031575337) to something in YYYYMMDDXX format
03:58 < rolla_> I think that is from there server
03:58 < th> and times seem to be too small
03:59 < th> hmm
03:59 < rolla_> try that
03:59 < th> frisbee.maisenhelder.net seems to be already added as dns-server
03:59 < th> hmm
03:59 < rolla_> yeah I got it added as a server but I am not sure if it is the master
04:00 < th> yes it is
04:00 < th> at least with respect to the SOA
04:00 < th> you can check that by chaning something
04:00 < th> increasing serial and SIGHUPping named
04:00 < th> and querieng ns1.domainmonger.com after that
04:01 < rolla_> okay
04:02 < th> do you have two SOA records in that zone?
04:03 < rolla_> ?
04:04 < th> mail me the zone-file please
04:04 < rolla_> which one
04:05 < th> maisenhelder.net
04:05 < th> we are only talking of that one
04:05 < rolla_> send
04:07 < th> hmmm it's different from what your name-server says
04:07 < th> is it entered correctly in named.conf?
04:08 < th> send me your named.conf please
04:10 < rolla_> send
04:10 < th> zone "maisenhe.net" in {
04:10 < th> thought you want to server maisenhelder.net
04:11 < th> s,server,serve,
04:12 < rolla_> yeah
04:12 < th> so you should correct that
04:12 < rolla_> cr@p
04:13 < rolla_> done
04:13 < th> server restarted?
04:13 < th> or at leaste HUPed?
04:13 < th> s,ste,st,
04:13 < rolla_> yes
04:13 < th> strange
04:13 < th> something went wrong
04:14 < rolla_> yes
04:14 < rolla_> I get servfail
04:15 < th> did you allow queries?
04:15 < th> hmm seems so
04:16 < th> run a check-zone and check-config please
04:16 < rolla_> okay
04:17 < th> and i think you should insert a newline and @ before first IN
04:17 < th> yes i think that's it
04:17 < th> start with:
04:17 < th> $ORIGIN maisenhelder.net.
04:17 < th> and on 2nd line: @ IN SOA ...
04:17 < th> or i prefer @ 1D IN SOA ...
04:18 < rolla_> dns_master_load: /var/named/maisenhelder.db:7: No current owner name
04:18 < th> yea
04:18 < th> insert that @
04:19 < th> i sent you a reply
04:20 < rolla_> where did you send email?
04:20 < th> From: maisenhe@frisbee.maisenhelder.net
04:20 < th> i replied
04:20 < rolla_> that will not do :(
04:21 < rolla_> try joel@maisenhelder.net
04:21 < th> gimme another addr
04:21 < th> Message bounced.
04:21 < rolla_> ?
04:21 < rolla_> the one to joel@maisenhelder.net ?
04:21 < th> i bounced the message i first sent to maisenhe@frisbee.maisenhelder.net to joel@maisenhelder.net
04:22 < rolla_> master.c:1172: dns_master_load: /var/named/maisenhelder.db:2: no TTL specified. THIS ZONE WILL NO LONGER WORK IN FUTURE VERSIONS. Add a TTL.
04:22 < th> add a 1D after the @
04:23 < rolla_> dns_master_load: /var/named/maisenhelder.db:10: ignoring out-of-zone data
04:23 < th> did you correct the named.conf?
04:23 < rolla_> yes
04:23 < rolla_> zone "maisenhelder.net" in {
04:23 < rolla_>         type master;
04:23 < rolla_>         file "maisenhelder.db";
04:23 < rolla_>         notify yes;
04:23 < rolla_> };
04:24 < th> aehm
04:24 < th> test without the last 4 cnames please
04:24 < th> comment 'em out
04:25 < rolla_> stil errors :(
04:25 < th> but looks better now
04:25 < th> mail or paste the errors
04:25 < th> remove the .maisenhelder.net. from cnames and you can readd them
04:26 < th> don't forget to always increase serial when changing something
04:26 < rolla_> okay
04:26 < rolla_> sent
04:27 < th> and the whole zone again please
04:27 < th> aehm
04:27 < th> no
04:28 < rolla_> ?
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04:28 < th> you are using named-checkzone incorrectly
04:28 < rolla_> ack so?
04:28 < th> usage: named-checkzone [-dq] [-c class] zone [filename]
04:28 < th> should be "named-checkzone maisenhelder.net maisenhelder.db"
04:28 < rolla_> I am dumb
04:29 < th> i'd rename maisenhelder.db to maisenhelder.net makes things easier
04:29 < rolla_> nod
04:29 < th> ok your named seems to be serving correctly
04:29 < rolla_> :)
04:29 < th> do you still need slaving from domainmonger.com?
04:29 < rolla_> thank you very much
04:30 < rolla_> I am not sure
04:30 < th> if so you should add NS records for them
04:30 < th> and establish slaving
04:30 < rolla_> ah so
04:30 < th> currently they don't slave.
04:30 < rolla_> in the maisenhelder.db file ?
04:30 < th> yes
04:30 < th> and after all you should sync the NS-list with your registrar
04:31 < rolla_> :)
04:31 < rolla_> should there be NS lines in the db.66.136.183 file ?
04:32 < th> i think you won't get reverse-delegation for that
04:32 < rolla_> ?
04:32 < th> and db.66.136.183 is useless at all without an entry in named.conf
04:32 < rolla_> cr@p
04:33 < th> are you sure you are able to set dns-server for 233.183.136.66.in-addr.arpa?
04:33 < th> (... to point to your server)
04:33 < rolla_> no
04:34 < th> would be an issue you need to discuss with your provider
04:34 < th> and i think they wont allow you to be the nameserver for it
04:34 < rolla_> yeah
04:34 < rolla_> very true
04:34 < rolla_> one more question
04:35 < rolla_> I want to resolve maisenhelder.net to an ip address
04:35 < rolla_> how do I add that as an alias ?
04:36 < th> just add 1D IN A Your_IP_Here below the 2nd NS line
04:36 < th> as an alias?
04:36 < th> alias as in "cname"?
04:36 < rolla_> yes
04:37 < th> you really do not want maisenhelder.net to be a CNAME
04:37 < th> you just want a A-record on maisenhelder.net to point to your IP
04:37 < rolla_> yes
04:38 < th> 04:36:14 < th> just add 1D IN A Your_IP_Here below the 2nd NS line
04:38 < th> exactly taht way
04:38 < rolla_> okay
04:38 < rolla_> sweet
04:38 < th> well you added ns1.domainmonger.com but they still do not slave
04:39 < th> you need to make them use your server as master and just slave
04:39 < rolla_> yeah I think I must wait for an email from them
04:39 < rolla_> yup
04:39 < th> ok
04:39 < th> time for bed now...
04:39 < th> it's almost 05:00 AM
04:40 < rolla_> bye
04:40 < th> (i always sleep well after zone-file crash-curses ;) )
04:41 < rolla_> :)
04:42 < th> gn8
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07:16 < aszlig> moin
07:46 < blindcoder> moin
07:49 < blindcoder> hmm... I'm somehow sure that I do something really wrong...
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10:10 < esden> morning
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10:32 < aszlig> 'lo esden
10:48 < esden> cu all
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12:19 < mjm_> hi.
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12:51 < esden> mjm ??? who was that ...
12:57 < esden> wee my cd burner is working once again ! ;-)
13:06 < owl_> moin
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13:38 < esden> yo ... new kernel for the sunfire is now building ...
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14:22 < esden> hi Lorini !!! *hug*
14:22 < Lorini> hi esden
14:24 < esden> na endlich wird es waermer in meinem zimmer ...
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14:35 * tcr hails all
14:37 < rolla> re
14:41 < esden> hi tcr 
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14:41 < esden> hi rolla 
14:41 * -> esden testing bochs
14:41 < esden> it seems to be pretty usable
14:42 < rolla> :)
14:43 < rolla> I have my two alpha servers up running linux now :)
14:44 < esden> rolla: good !!
14:45 < rolla> yeah they are my DNS servers :)
14:46 < rolla> and once rock can work on alpha they will be rocked
14:46 < esden> rolla: yo ... I will give my best ...
14:50 < rolla> :)
14:52 < blindcoder> rehi
14:56 < pjotrp> Anyone want to give 1.6.0pre1 a try?
14:57 < blindcoder> If you have a Sparc32 ISO I could really use it :)
14:57 < pjotrp> soure tar ball
14:57 < pjotrp> source
14:58 < pjotrp> Not been tested on SPARC yet
15:00 < blindcoder> hmm... where can I get it?
15:01 < blindcoder> hmm... I gotta go...
15:01 < blindcoder> sorry
15:01 < blindcoder> see you
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15:08 < rolla> pjotrp you mean compile ?
15:08 < pjotrp> yeah
15:09 < pjotrp> it is a peek preview of the pre version ;-)
15:09 < rolla> I am working on that right now :)
15:09 < rolla> I need to finish the downloads of the sources
15:09 < pjotrp> Did you get the 1.6 tarball?
15:09 < rolla> got it from Mike
15:10 < rolla> but I will take whatever you have aswell :)
15:13 < owl> re
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15:14 < gnupg> Hi all
15:15 < owl> hi gnupg
15:15 < tcr> moin
15:16 * gnupg likes CVS
15:17 * tcr is beginning to like it, well kind of 
15:18 < esden> hi gnupg 
15:19 < esden> argh qt needs an eternity to build
15:20 < gnupg> Wie komme ich an drock 1.6.1 ran?
15:20 < rolla> qt sucks how long for you esden?
15:20 < esden> == 14:11:14 =[5]=> Building kde-30/qt-30 [3.0.6 1.7-snapshot]. 
15:20 < esden> and has not finished yet ...
15:22 < rolla> it takes me 3 and 1/2 hours to 4 to build qt :(
15:23 * gnupg likes compilercache
15:23 < rolla> compilercache?
15:24 < gnupg> rolla - have a look at http://www.erikyyy.de/compilercache/
15:27 < esden> gnupg: is it working ?
15:28 < gnupg> esden - yes, i compiled my kernel with it.
15:29 < gnupg> esden - bis du auch in #debian aktiv?
15:29 < esden> hmm ... I will test it when I finally start working on the uClibc target
15:29 < esden> gnupg: noe ... ich bin ein ueberzeugter rocklinuxer seid mehreren jahren ... lasse dich nicht von dem weasel verwirren ;-)
15:29 < gnupg> esden - do you know dietlibc?
15:30 < esden> gnupg: yes ... I made the dietlibc target in rocklinux ;-)
15:30 < gnupg> esden - i guess, you had a lot of fun... :)
15:30 < esden> and lost a lot of my helth on it ;-)
15:31 < esden> and sleep too ;-)
15:31 < gnupg> lol
15:32 < gnupg> is mit dem cvs server was nicht in ordnung?
15:32 < esden> gnupg: mit welchem ?
15:33 < gnupg> esden - anoncvs.rocklinux.de
15:33 < tcr> wieso?
15:33 < esden> ach das ist 1.5 ... da habe ich nichts damit zu tun ... und weiss es nicht ...
15:33 < esden> aber der sollte in ordnung sein
15:35 < gnupg> der macht bei mir nach rock-1.5/subdists/user-mode-linux/syscon schluss.
15:36 < gnupg> Krieg ich eigentlich auch drock von cvs?
15:36 < gnupg> esden - wie viele habt ihr den?
15:37 < tcr> gnupg: und was soll daran so unnormal sein ???
15:38 < gnupg> tcr - waere das checkout danach fertig, wuerde müsste ich nicht Ctrl-C drücken, dass muss ich leider.
15:39 < gnupg> s/wuerde//
15:39 < tcr> nein, einfach ein wenig warten
15:39 < gnupg> tcr - ein wenig?
15:39 < tcr> ich weiß auch nicht was der da am ende macht, aber das dauert bei mir auch manchmal ein wenig länger
15:40 < esden> gnupg: zwei ... einen fuer 1.7 und einen fuer 1.5
15:40 < esden> das sind zwei trees
15:40 < tcr> haste du denn mal auf den prozesstatus geguckt?
15:40 < tcr> glaube kaum, dass er defunced oder sleeped war
15:41 < gnupg> tcr - der schläft.
15:42 < gnupg> Ist gnome 2.0 in rock-1.7?
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15:45 < Mike1> moin all
15:46 < rolla> re Mike1
15:46 < rolla> my DNS is up :)
15:46 < owl> hi Mike1
15:46 < Mike1> pjotrp: make the release
15:46 < Mike1> rolla great
15:47 < rolla> yeah i needed help from th last night to get it going
15:47 < Mike1> m...
15:50 < tcr> gnupg: ps -p<PID> -o pid,tt,user,fname,tmout,f,wchan
15:51 < gnupg> tcr - zu spät... jetzt versuche ich es mit 1.7
15:51 < tcr> viel spaß
15:52 < gnupg> :-D
15:52 < tcr> hi Mike1
15:53 < esden> hi Mike1 !
15:54 * tcr is listening to Die Apokalyptischren Reiter - Erhelle Meine Seele
15:56 * gnupg ponders
15:56 < gnupg> Noch jemand aus Hamburg hier?
15:58 < pjotrp> Don't understand German
15:58 < pjotrp> ;-)
15:58 < rolla> neither do I :)
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16:00 < Mike1> moin Satg
16:00 < Satg> hello people
16:00 < Satg> Hola Mike
16:00 < tcr> moin
16:08 * gnupg rofls
16:13 < gnupg> Ihr scheint e4in ähnliches prinzip wie gentoo zu haben.
16:14 < tcr> hm. well
16:14 < Mike1> export LANG=en_UK
16:15 < esden> Mike1: he said that we have a simmilar system to gentoo
16:15 < tcr> gnupg: that only seems so because both are source distributions
16:15 < esden> gnupg: I would not say something like this here ;-)
16:15 < Mike1> esden: i know
16:15 < esden> tcr: ack
16:16 < Mike1> esden: but i am trying to be polite with the ones that will not understand german
16:16 < esden> gnupg: rocklinux is a distribution build kit ... and gentoo is a source distribution
16:16 < esden> that is a very big difference
16:16 < esden> rocklinux could also contain gentoo as a part ... 
16:18 < esden> Mike1: yo ... you are right
16:23 < gnupg> What's the difference between gawk an any other awk expect the license?
16:23 < gnupg> My english is a bit partial.
16:23 < tcr> info gawk
16:23 < tcr> there is a historical section
16:27 < tcr> pjotrp: i'm not familiar with install discs and such stuff, otherwise i'd take care bout them :/
16:28 < gnupg> How much space i need to build rocklinux 1.7? (Are 4GByte enough?)
16:30 < esden> gnupg: yes it should be enough 
16:33 < esden> gnupg: you need for the sources 1.2GB 
16:33 < esden> and for the build ... 
16:36 < esden> something about 4 GB should be enough
16:37 < aszlig> rehi
16:37 < Mike1> re aszlig
16:37 < esden> hi aszlig
16:37 < Mike1> ROCK - 1.6.0pre1 has been released
16:38 < esden> uh oh ... interesting ...
16:38 < gnupg> Mike1 - hah?
16:38 < Mike1> gnupg: its the current stable tree
16:39 < gnupg> Mike1 - but without the pre1.
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16:39 < Mike1> gnupg: not yet
16:39 < Mike1> gnupg: this is a test release
16:39 < Mike1> one more test release left before stable
16:40 < gnupg> I saw drock 1.6.1-rc1 at http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/src
16:40 < esden> Mike1: you mean "stable"
16:40 < Mike1> esden: yes
16:40 < Mike1> gnupg: dROCK != ROCK
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16:41 < esden> stable as in : works for huebi ... 
16:41 < gnupg> Mike1 - i know!
16:41 < Mike1> esden: stable as in words of PJ and i
16:41 < pjotrp> tested
16:41 < esden> Mike1: I will test the release for sure ...
16:42 < esden> pjotrp: good
16:42 < Mike1> esdy we would really apreciate it thanks
16:42 < esden> pjotrp, Mike1: I hope you guys will prove my prejudices as being wrong ...
16:43 < Mike1> esden: yeah :)
16:45 < Mike1> by the way regarding the SCSI thingy i think we should have this fixed
16:45 < Mike1> and not just throw it away
16:46 < esden> pjotrp: "If people get nasty just ask them to contribute instead of whining.
16:46 < esden> " well said ;-)
16:47 < esden> Mike1: yo
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17:00 < tcr> hmm .. pjotrp ?? I ask me how Build-Pkg can ever branch to the the last else of the script (that one printing the `Aborted building package' msg) at all. It will only abort (according to the source) if $root/var/adm/logs/$logpf-$pkg.log does _not_ exist. So far so good, but some lines above (in the big {} that's respoinsible for the compilation) there is a line "touch $root/var/adm/logs/$logpf-$pkg.log" that is _always_ executed (yeah i know,
17:00 < tcr>  I have recognized the set -e, but that exists the whole script at once, and not only the code in the {}s). Have you any clue about this?
17:03 < tcr> pjotrp: ooh, i got it mysefl ;0) .. it starts a subprocess, so the it won't actually exit the whole script
17:04 < th> re
17:05 < Mike1> moin th
17:05 < th> hi Mike1
17:07 < Mike1> th: i agree with you on no having gpm disabled by default
17:12 < owl> and "wech" bye... (dentist
17:13 < pjotrp> yes, the build uses the shell trap for that
17:13 < pjotrp> basic exception handling ;-)
17:14 < tcr> yeah, i havent seen that it's piped to another code block, which fact makes it to a subprocess :)
17:15 < th> pjotrp: where should i commit changes to fix the mouse (gpm) problem?
17:16 < Mike1> th: regular 1.5 repository
17:16 < Mike1> th: as 1.6.0pre1 is out
17:16 < th> ok. so pre1-branch is frozen now?
17:16 < Mike1> th: ack
17:16 < th> affirmed.
17:18 < pjotrp> I'll do a merge later this week and we will rename the repository module to rock-1.6
17:19 < th> ok
17:19 < Mike1> pjotrp: why not today ? *gg*
17:20 < pjotrp> need to do some other work
17:20 < Mike1> ok :)
17:21 < pjotrp> Anyone feel up to it can do it - not really difficult. Just may need to resolve a few conflicts
17:21 < pjotrp> See CVS manuals
17:25 < fake> wee!
17:25 < fake> <- will get a donation from SUN
17:25 < fake> a cobalt raq2 (mips)
17:25 < fake> *jumparound)
17:26 < esden> congrats fake 
17:26 < Mike1> fake: htf did you get the donation? i have been looking for it for long time
17:26 < esden> Mike1: he is having a lot of luck in the last time ;-)
17:27 < esden> tons of it ;-)
17:27 < Mike1> godd thing
17:27 < Mike1> good even
17:28 < esden> Mike1: yes you are right. At least some people have luck ;-)
17:28 < esden> that is good to know ;-)
17:29 < esden> hmm ... gt-30 ... 2 hours compile time ...
17:29 < esden> not gt >_<
17:29 < esden> qt !
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17:37 < esden> Error logs from default-1.7-snapshot-ia32-athlon-tbird-generic-expert:
17:37 < esden> 1174 builds total, 409 completed fine, 24 with errors.
17:42 * -> esden is asking himself how many people are subscribed to the rlml 
17:42 (Users #rocklinux)
17:42 [ [anders]  ] [ fake    ] [ kasc_ ] [ praenti] [ Satg ] [ th] 
17:42 [ aszlig    ] [ Ge0rG   ] [ LoriAW] [ qubit_ ] [ SMP  ] 
17:42 [ blindcoder] [ hannes  ] [ mayan ] [ rolla  ] [ snyke] 
17:42 [ bluefire  ] [ huebi   ] [ Mike1 ] [ rolla_ ] [ tcr  ] 
17:42 [ esden     ] [ ichilton] [ owl   ] [ rxr    ] [ temr ] 
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18:17 < aszlig> rehi blindcoder?
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18:24 < aszlig> 'lo gnupg
18:25 < gnupg> Da bin ich wider
18:27 < gnupg> Wie kann ich das downloaden und kompilieren von kde 3.1 abschalten?
18:27 < aszlig> dunno, never used it...
18:33 < gnupg> Kann mir keiner helfen :-((
18:33 < aszlig> sorry, please ask your question in egnglish again..
18:36 < tcr> gnupg: what about disabling it?
18:36 * tcr brb
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18:40 < tcr> Mike1: ping
18:40 < Mike1> pong
18:43 < tcr> Mike1: i'm currently adding the new gcc protector patch (dimitar pointed to it recently) to 1.6 -- will need anyone to perform a test build (my development box is a p-mmx 200mhz, would be a pain in the ass 8))
18:43 < Mike1> tcr: adding it to ur own tree or to cvs?
18:44 < tcr> talked to pjotr about this, we agreed in adding it to 1.6 only if it obviously breaks any pkgs
18:45 < tcr> er, if it doesnt break ;)
18:45 < Mike1> i have a Dual athlon xp 2.0ghz so it will not be a pain  :)
18:45 < tcr> hm, ok will send a patch to the hackers list
18:45 < Mike1> thanks
18:49 < gnupg> tcr - how to disable it?
18:50 < gnupg> How to disable d/loading building kde 3.1?
18:51 < gnupg> Were's Crusoe missing in ARchitecture menu.
18:51 < tcr> gnupg: we are talking about 1.7, right?
18:52 < gnupg> tcr - yes
18:52 < tcr> please take a look at the Config script (./scripts/Config?), and choose an option named à la "For experts only" (or something similiar), there is an additional option where you can choose pkgs
19:06 < owl> re
19:07 < gnupg> tcr - i did "Additional Package Selections -> Custom Package Selections" and added "- kde-31", "- gnome-14" under the topic ",----< Package selection rules >----.", but nothing changed. (./scripts/Download -all is still downloading erverything)
19:10 < gnupg> tcr - any idea?
19:10 < tcr> hm. well Download -all is probably supposed to do so. I'm not familiar to 1.7 to be able to say how you should invoke Download .. Mike1? esden? fake?
19:11 < gnupg> tcr - so you're using 1.5, aren't you?
19:11 < tcr> jap
19:15 < gnupg> esden - are you able to help me?
19:15 < Mike1> tcr: on 1.7 you can dowload all packages with scripts/Download -all
19:15 < tcr> Mike1: no, he just wants to download the choosen pkgs
19:15 < Mike1> gnupg: tcr but all you want / need to download for building is fetched with scripts/Download -required
19:16 < Mike1> tcr: the package sselectiong is done while running scripts/Config
19:16 < Mike1> then simply run srcipts/Download -required
19:16 < Mike1> that will do it
19:16 < tcr> ok, thats what he wanted to know :)
19:16 < gnupg> thanks Mike
19:17 < Mike1> gnupg: you are welcome
19:17 * Mike1 back to work
19:17 < tcr> have phun
19:18 * gnupg whishes Mike1 a lot of fun
19:19 * gnupg likes A-DSL (but S-DSL would be better)
19:33 * gnupg is jump'n'running
19:33 < gnupg> PnP - Plug and Pray
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19:49 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
19:50 < Mike1> hi blindy
19:50 < owl> hi blindcoder
19:51 < blindcoder> hi Mike1 !
19:51 < blindcoder> hi owly !
19:57 < aszlig> rehi
19:57 < aszlig> 'lo blindcoder
19:59 < owl> hi aszlig
19:59 < owl> did you ask katharina and/or christoph about their mobile phone numbers?
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20:00 < gnupg> ich komme wieder keine frage.
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20:05 < bishophome> hi can someone say me where i can get summit v2.2 DX Platinum?
20:06 < blindcoder> what's that?
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20:06 < bishophome> a driver for ati
20:07 < blindcoder> sorry, no idea
20:07 < bishophome> i have fucking probs with my ati radeon 8500
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20:17 < tcr> Mike1: will send the patch in some minutes
20:59 < rolla> == 13:50:32 =[2]=> Building base package perl5 [5.8.0 1.6.0pre1].
21:05 < rolla> anyone alive?
21:06 < tcr> ja
21:09 < rolla> gute
21:09 < rolla> == 14:08:45 =[2]=> Building base package groff [1.17.2 1.6.0pre1].
21:09 < rolla> the slow march of the 1.6.0pre1 build
21:09 < tcr> hehe :) but seems to be good so far.. that's fine
21:10 < Mike1> ...
21:10 < Mike1> re all
21:10 < rolla> re Mike
21:10 < rolla> yeah the build is going very well :)
21:11 < tcr> ah Mike1 :) the patch have been delaying :/
21:11 < tcr> has even
21:11 < Mike1> rolla i need to run a build but have been unable because a patch has not arrived to me
21:11 < Mike1> !!!
21:11 < rolla> :)
21:12 < tcr> do you mean mine patch?
21:12 < Mike1> tcr: of course :)
21:12 < tcr> okok, just creating the diffs
21:12 < Mike1> tcr: no worries
21:12 < Mike1> i just moved it 4 lines below my TODO list
21:16 < rolla> == 14:16:35 =[2]=> Building base package util-linux [2.11w 1.6.0pre1].
21:16 * blindcoder in now going to end this fscking day
21:16 < Mike1> blindcoder: bad day
21:16 < Mike1> ?
21:16 < blindcoder> maye I don't need to get up tomorrow... oh well...
21:16 < blindcoder> good n8
21:17 < Mike1> oyasumi nasai blindcoder
21:17 < blindcoder> Mike1: not today... I'll tell you some other day...
21:17 < blindcoder> oyasumi, Mike-san!
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21:26 < Mike1> hi netcrow
21:27 < tcr> arghs Mike1 lol! damn, i forgot to add one line :/
21:29 < tcr> hm
21:34 < tcr> Mike1: sent
21:40 < netcrow> hi
21:40 < owl> hi netcrow
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21:58 < tcr> moin sjefen
21:58 < sjefen> hello.
21:58 < sjefen> this is my first install of rock :)
21:59 < sjefen> feels great :)
22:05 < rolla> :)
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22:13 < rolla> == 15:11:59 =[3]=> Building base package binutils [2.13.90.0.10 1.6.0pre1].
22:13 < rolla> rock on
22:13 < esden> hmm ... interesting ... how many days do I need to build 1.7 ? >_<
22:13 < esden> that sucks !
22:17 < sjefen> what's the diffrence between 1.7 and 1.5?
22:17 < sjefen> doesn't both download up to date packages and compile them?
22:18 < tcr> yap
22:19 < sjefen> so what is the diffrence?
22:20 < tcr> 1.7 is development, 1.6 stable -- 1.7 have got plenty new and interesting features, rewrites etc. but needs manually tweaking on many places
22:20 < tcr> s,have,has,
22:21 < sjefen> features like what?
22:22 < Mike1> hi Lorini
22:22 < Mike1> hi sjefen
22:22 < Lorini> hi mike :))
22:22 < sjefen> hello Mike1
22:22 < sjefen> Mike1 : got my first rockl up and running :)
22:23 * Mike1 feels very glad to hear the nordish lands are finally rocked
22:23 < sjefen> hehe :)
22:24 < tcr> sjefen: rewriting of buildscripts, managing of packaging ... cluster support
22:25 < sjefen> tcr : ok.
22:25 < tcr> sjefen: see http://www.rocklinux.de/rolling/2002-01/page1.html
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22:27 < holyolli> moin
22:28 < sjefen> hello
22:28 < sjefen> tcr : so, is 2.0 close?
22:28 < sjefen> :)
22:28 < holyolli> hi sjefen
22:28 < tcr> dunno
22:29 < owl> re
22:29 < owl> Mike1: unkraine will be rocked soon, too ;)
22:29 < sjefen> olla' owl.
22:29 < holyolli> hi owl
22:29 < owl> hi sjefen
22:29 < owl> hi holyolli
22:29 < holyolli> owl: *hug*
22:29 < owl> *grrrrrr*
22:30 < holyolli> ;)
22:32 < owl> holyolli: how r u?
22:34 < holyolli> owl: hm. så där
22:34 < holyolli> owl: geht so..
22:35 < owl> holyolli: zu viel zu lernen? ;)
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22:40 < esden> sjefen: I would not say that 2.0 is close ... there are tons of work that still has to be done ... and we would like to include many things that are still not implemented ...
22:40 < esden> but that is not the main point
22:41 < sjefen> yeah.
22:41 < esden> the only architecture that really works in 1.7 is intel ... and that is not the only architecture in the world
22:41 < sjefen> true, but the majority is intel tho'.
22:41 < owl> uh... somone sounds frustrated... esden ? ;)
22:42 < esden> owl: not frustrated
22:42 < owl> annonyed?
22:42 < esden> I only describe what the current situation is
22:42 < owl> ok :)
22:43 < sjefen> what is this 'automatic package update thing' then? is it working? :)
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23:01 < Lorini> night!"
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23:02 < sjefen> nite' all.
23:13 < esden> sjefen: I have not really tested the update stuff ... so I can not tell you ...
23:13 * -> esden -> bed
23:13 < owl> gn8 esden
23:17 < Mike1> n8 all
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23:28 < satg> See you people !! >)
23:28 < satg> bye
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