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--- Log opened Fri Dec 20 00:00:27 2002 --- Day changed Fri Dec 20 2002 00:07 < demian> cya ! 00:07 < demian> :) 00:08 < owl> bye demian 00:08 < demian> i almost forgot how inet was :p 00:08 < owl> demian: huh? what happened? ;) 00:08 < demian> nothing.. im on vacation.. that's what happen :) 00:08 < demian> now from a inet coffee 00:09 < demian> and conected to my home system 00:09 < owl> hehe ;) where r u so? 00:09 < demian> via-phone :( 00:09 < demian> umm 00:09 < owl> *lol* 00:09 < demian> 50Km from home, in my old home, in the bounds of costa rica 00:09 < owl> i c. 00:10 < demian> now seems my brother was using my computer.. umm, he wil pay for that, damn it 00:10 < owl> demian: relaaaaax 00:10 < demian> hehe 00:10 < demian> yeah, sure, i will, but when i arrives home.. 00:10 < demian> hehe 00:16 < owl> demian: *hrhr* 00:26 -!- rolla_ [~Der@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit ("leaving") 00:28 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.212] has left #rocklinux () 00:31 < huebi> moin 00:31 < owl> hi huebi 00:32 < huebi> hi owl 00:32 < owl> huebi: wie geht's? 00:32 < huebi> gut 00:32 < huebi> Kopfschmeryen sind jetzt wieder weg 00:33 < owl> huebi: grippe gehabt? 00:33 < tsa> moin huebi 00:34 < tsa> huebi: wie sieht's mit dem vs aus? 00:34 < tsa> +c 00:34 < huebi> moin tsa 00:34 < huebi> tsa: Der cvs bleibt jetzt so, wie er gerade ist. Ich merge meine fixes und der naechste tag wird dann einfach 1.6.0pre2 sein 00:35 < huebi> Doch nicht so schlimm, wie ich dachte. 00:35 < huebi> owl: Noe, einfach nur Kopfschmerzen. 00:36 < tsa> huebi: fein, das klingt ja einigermassen optimistisch.. 00:37 < huebi> tsa: Ich bin sogar sehr optimistisch. spaetestens am Sonntag will ich 1.6.0pre2 releasen. 00:38 < tsa> huebi: klingt gut, dann koennte man auf dem 19c3 nach verbliebenen bugs suchen und die fixen.. 00:38 < tsa> pkg-remove / weihnachten 00:38 < tsa> hmpf 00:38 < tsa> kann man das nicht irgendiwe abschaffen? 00:39 < huebi> Jo, das ist auch meine idee. Besser schon vor Weihnachten.. 00:39 < owl> hm? was ist denn jetzt schraeg? 00:39 < tsa> ..ab wann wirst du auf dem congress sein? ich vermute mal, du kommst irgendwie mit ripclaw dahin.. 00:40 < huebi> 2002-12-26 vor 20h00 - befor die wahnsinnigen mit dem Hacktrain kommen. 00:41 < tsa> hehe 00:41 < tsa> wann ist der da? 00:41 < huebi> 20h00 00:41 < tsa> ah.. 00:42 < huebi> Wie kann ich Konsole eigendlich Farben beibringen? Vim ist so haesslich ohne Farben... 00:42 < tsa> reservier mir nen guten platz ;-) bin auch am 26. da, weiss aber noch nicht genau wie spaet.. 00:42 < huebi> tsa: ACK ich bin ca 18h00 dort 00:43 < tsa> huebi: hm...haengt das nicht mit dem TERM-setting zusammen? 00:43 -!- rolla_ [~Der@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:43 < rolla_> re 00:43 < rolla_> anyone here? 00:43 < tsa> rolla: nope ,-) 00:43 < huebi> hi rolla :-) 00:43 < rolla_> have a odd question the bootdisk for 1.6.0pre1 should work right? 00:44 < tsa> huebi: TERM={linux,xterm-color} gives me colors, while TERM=vt100 doesn't 00:44 < rolla_> but it now asks for a rootdisk 00:44 < huebi> Yes, the boot-disk-1.44MB needs the root-disk-1.44MB.img 00:45 < rolla_> hmm 00:45 < huebi> dd if=root-disk-1.44MB.img of=/dev/floppy/0 00:45 < rolla_> there was no rootdisk on the cd :( 00:45 < huebi> there should be one in the floppies directory 00:46 < rolla_> nope 00:46 < huebi> rolla_: Ok, I fix it for 1.6.0pre2. 1.6.0pre1 seems to be at least a little bit broken. 00:47 < huebi> (as I expected) 00:47 < rolla_> :) 00:48 < tsa> well...it's a pre-release - it _has_ to be broken ;-) 00:48 < rolla_> yeah has anyone else done a pre1 build? 00:49 * tsa didn 00:49 < tsa> t 00:49 < huebi> the pre-pre-releases were more stable but had no working boot stuff 00:49 < tsa> i'd like to kill some glibc/binutils/glibc developers, though. 00:49 < tsa> gcc even 00:49 < huebi> rolla_: No, if I release sth it is tested before I tag the cvs 00:50 < tsa> vereything seems to be fucked up in 1.7.. 00:50 < rolla_> ;) 00:50 < tsa> huebi: you're using glibc 2.3.1 and gcc 3.2.1 with pre1? 00:51 < rolla_> i have a rare copy 00:54 < huebi> tsa: no, 2.2.5 and 2.95.3. This will stay as it is till the stable release is out. Later it's needed for the x86-64 port. I can get an account on a Hammer if all goes right now. 00:56 < tsa> ah, sounds good. 00:56 < rolla_> I should be able to boot another cd and then put the 1.6.0pre1 cd in and do the install right? 00:56 < huebi> rolla_: Yes, that will work. 00:56 < rolla_> cool 00:57 < tsa> i'm having terrible problems with glibc in 1.7-dev, probably caused by binutils/gcc3 not understanding each other 00:57 < tsa> ..at least with pentium-class machines -- athlon seems to be ok 00:58 < huebi> for i in kde*/*.pz; do sed -e s/3.0.4/3.0.5/g -e s/Unknown/huebi/ <$i >$i.tmp; mv $i.tmp $i; done 00:59 < huebi> update in 1 second 00:59 < huebi> except arts 01:00 < tsa> nice 01:00 < tsa> i'm still deeply impressed that this system here works 01:00 < tsa> (this is a rock 1.4.0, with nearly averything updated) 01:01 < huebi> I really like the KDE home page. Very clean 01:01 < huebi> tsa: nice ;-( 01:01 < huebi> ) 01:01 < tsa> huebi: all updates done with scripts/Build-Pkg .. 01:01 < tsa> ;) 01:02 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ pkg-list |grep '1.4.0'$|wc -l 01:02 < tsa> 9 01:02 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ 01:02 < tsa> not much from 1.4.0 left.. 01:02 < huebi> 00-dirtree... 01:03 < tsa> ack 01:03 < tsa> and 8 others 01:03 < tsa> console-data 1999.08.29 1.4.0 01:03 < tsa> console-tools 0.2.3 1.4.0 01:03 < tsa> fnlib 0.5 1.4.0 01:03 < tsa> ld.so 1.9.9 1.4.0 01:03 < tsa> miscfiles 1.2 1.4.0 01:03 < tsa> rock-doc 1.4.0 1.4.0 01:03 < tsa> rock-src 1.4.0 1.4.0 01:03 < tsa> sysfiles 1.4.0 1.4.0 01:04 < tsa> fnlib...hm.. i don't remember ever needing that 01:04 * owl leaves now 01:04 < owl> gn8. bye 01:04 < huebi> cu owl 01:04 < huebi> n8 01:04 * tsa removing fnlib 01:04 < tsa> cu owlita *hug* 01:04 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5680.pppool.de] has quit ("sleeping. gn8") 01:15 < rolla_> grrr 01:15 < rolla_> it doesn't have a Install-bin file :( 01:28 < huebi> rolla_: I think it's on the root-disk 01:29 < rolla_> nevermind I am crazy 01:30 < rolla_> the install is started 01:31 < huebi> rolla_: Great 01:32 < rolla_> yeah some odd things but I think it is okay 01:33 < rolla_> and boom goes the install 01:34 < huebi> rolla_: Yes, a little bit tricky and it needs some handwork to get it installed. 01:34 < rolla_> null pointer referance 01:34 < rolla_> in kernel 01:36 < rolla_> hmm 01:37 < huebi> rolla_: where do you get this error? 01:38 < rolla_> during the install of packages 01:38 < rolla_> it maybe the kernel that was boot off of the other cd 01:39 < rolla_> I am trying another cd right now 01:39 < huebi> yes, that may be 01:39 < rolla_> very odd 01:40 < huebi> 01:39 < rolla_> very odd 01:40 < huebi> rolla_: What time is it at your place? 01:41 < rolla_> 19:00 01:41 < huebi> 7h difference ... 01:42 < rolla_> yup 01:42 < rolla_> you are GMT+1 01:43 < rolla_> I am GMT-6 ;) 01:44 < huebi> and in the summer GMT+2 01:44 * huebi fixing cheksums in kde 3.0.5 01:48 < rolla_> :P 01:54 * tsa going to sleep 01:54 < tsa> cya all 01:54 < huebi> cu tsa 01:54 < tsa> cu huebi 01:54 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082BB4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:55 < huebi> for i in `ls base-archive/*/*err | sed s/.cksum-err//` ; do mv $i.cksum.err $i; done - The big renaming... 02:05 < rolla_> okay the install is started again 02:06 < rolla_> fun it counts to 1000% and allways says 100 files 02:08 < huebi> rolla_: That is fixed now. It will be in cvs tomorrow. 02:08 < huebi> install?bin.c needed a fix for that. 02:08 < huebi> it installs but the progres meter does not work 02:13 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-ls-6-2-dialup-161.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 02:26 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-ls-6-2-dialup-161.freesurf.ch] has quit ("bed calls") 02:27 < rolla_> huebi: it kind of does 02:28 < huebi> rolla_: Did it finish fine? 02:28 < rolla_> almost do 02:28 < rolla_> done 02:28 < huebi> nice 02:28 < rolla_> yeah 02:29 < rolla_> funny thing is the % is the number of files and the number files showen is the % done 02:29 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p508023C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:29 * huebi is testing cdrtools-2.0pre3 - the old ones do not work with my new MSI burner 02:30 < rolla_> :) 02:31 < huebi> export TERM=linux - the solution for a colourfull Konsole in KDE. - nice :-))))) 02:32 < huebi> and a colourfull vim :-)) 02:32 < rolla_> :) 02:32 < rolla_> install done now the config 02:36 < rolla_> crap it died 02:36 < huebi> rolla_: you can start the scripts in /etc/setup later again. 02:36 < rolla_> no I did that fine the boot of it died :( 02:37 < huebi> rolla_: build a new, working kernel now, I would suggest 02:37 < rolla_> it was died on loading libs 02:37 < rolla_> maybe I try again I think I screwed up at the end when I was to reboot 02:38 < huebi> yes, maybe. 02:38 < huebi> In the kernel there is no scsi, xfs and reiserfs support 02:38 < rolla_> I took out the root disk before I rebooted 02:38 < rolla_> I know I have ide disk and ext fs 02:39 -!- rolla_ is now known as rolla_rock 02:44 < huebi> cdrecord compiled fine. 2.0pre3 needs to be tested now. 02:45 < rolla_rock> I am going to try a basic install this time 02:46 < huebi> rolla_rock: It should work if you select all packages. 02:48 < rolla_rock> yeah I want to save time ;) 02:48 < rolla_rock> slow box 02:48 < rolla_rock> P-pro 200 02:49 < huebi> Ok. but faster than the 11h30 on an i386, 40MHz, 8MB RAM 02:51 < rolla_rock> :) 02:51 < rolla_rock> true 02:52 < huebi> it should need 1h or so.. 02:52 < rolla_rock> maybe 02:53 < huebi> I start a new testbuild now. Cu tomorrow. good night. 02:53 < rolla_rock> nacht 02:53 < huebi> danke 02:53 < rolla_rock> bitte 03:23 < rolla_rock> grr 03:24 < rolla_rock> it still does not work 03:57 < rolla_rock> my 1.7 build dies on the gcc2 build :( 04:28 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 05:35 -!- kasc_ [~shaman@p5090BBB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:51 -!- kasc__ [~shaman@p5090BB6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:46 < blindcoder> moin 06:58 -!- cchamilton [~chatzilla@mx4kmodem16.marietta.ee.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:59 < cchamilton> I can't get gettext to build, 1.7 just says found updated/new file gettext.conf and then does nothing. 07:04 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801D3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("client exciting - reboot") 07:04 < cchamilton> Ehlo? 07:07 < cchamilton> I guess I will talk to myself in the hope someone reads this later and replys... 07:07 < cchamilton> It isn't trying to build gettext, from what I can tell gettext.conf/desc is correct 07:09 < cchamilton> Maybe gettext isn't in the default target?? 07:13 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801317.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:13 < blindcoder> re 07:13 < blindcoder> don't try this at home :) 07:16 < cchamilton> Anybody else haveing problems with gettext? 07:16 < blindcoder> hmmm... 1.7 ? 07:17 < cchamilton> Yep. It doesn't appear to be in my generic build. 07:17 < cchamilton> I just checked config/default and it isn't listed. 07:17 < blindcoder> hmm... builds without problems here 07:18 < blindcoder> not in generic build? 07:18 < blindcoder> hmm 07:18 < cchamilton> Yeah, it is weird. 07:18 < cchamilton> Where does the config source its list of packages from? 07:19 < blindcoder> from the packages.txt IIRC... just a moment 07:23 < blindcoder> hmm... I haven't got it in the list, either, but it's there (package/base/gettext) 07:24 < cchamilton> Can you see if it builds, mine downloaded it and everything. 07:24 < cchamilton> It just looks like it won't build cuz it isn't in the list. 07:24 < blindcoder> I have it on the host system, but the one finished build I have doesn't list a log file for it 07:24 < blindcoder> so it doesn't seem as if it's been built 07:25 < cchamilton> That was my problem, it causes other things (orbit-10 and a few others to fail) 07:25 < cchamilton> I'll mail clifford since he appears to be doing mail. 07:26 < blindcoder> mhm 07:26 < blindcoder> okay, I'll take a look at the problem, too 07:43 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@pD9506D91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:49 < blindcoder> moin Lorini *winke* 07:55 < cchamilton> OK, NLS turned off removes gettext. 07:56 < blindcoder> d'ouh 07:56 < cchamilton> Breaks packages that are NLS only. 07:57 < blindcoder> hmm... okay... 07:58 < Lorini> moin jungs 07:59 < blindcoder> tach maedel 08:01 < Lorini> :) 08:05 < blindcoder> wie gehts? 08:05 < Lorini> spitze :)))))) heute is FREITAG und nachher wenn ich aus hab fahr ich zu johnny und dann haben wir 2 (in worten: ZWEI) wochen füreinander.... mir gehts fantastisch :) 08:06 < blindcoder> viel spass :) 08:07 < Lorini> danke :)) 08:07 < Lorini> und wie gehts dir? 08:10 < blindcoder> naja, koennt schlimmer sein 08:13 < blindcoder> [shutdown <defunct>] 08:13 < blindcoder> HAE? 08:18 < blindcoder> brb 08:19 -!- sjefen_skole [~kriadr@obiwan.oslo.nith.no] has joined #rocklinux 08:21 < blindcoder> hmm 08:21 < blindcoder> nt good 08:21 -!- mourlo [~george@ppp2-106.pop.hellasnet.gr] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:30 < blindcoder> My system can't do a software reboot anymore 08:31 < blindcoder> Broadcast message from root (pts/3) (Fri Dec 20 08:20:03 2002): 08:31 < blindcoder> The system is going down for reboot NOW! 08:31 < blindcoder> still waiting... 08:39 -!- demian [~c428058a@196.40.30.180] has joined #rocklinux 08:41 < demian> hi 08:41 < demian> someone awake ? 08:49 -!- demian [~c428058a@196.40.30.180] has quit ("HDW was really cool, ill be back soon! 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Shouldn't you?") 09:11 -!- Netsplit anthony.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, praenti, huebi, ichilton, hannes, fake, blindcoder, mayan, qubit_, cchamilton, (+8 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 09:13 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aszlig, cchamilton, kasc_, rolla, snyke, qubit_, huebi, fake, sjefen 09:14 -!- praenti [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801317.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 -!- rolla_rock [~Der@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 -!- ichilton [~ian@pc1-stoc3-4-cust247.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-201-233.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 -!- hannes [~hannes@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 -!- SMP [stefanp@world.cabal1.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 -!- th [~th@thzn.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 -!- mayan [~mayan@iaso.fox-lightware.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:41 -!- Lorini is now known as LoriAW 10:31 < fake> morgen. 10:31 < blindcoder> moin fake 10:32 < blindcoder> fake: gibts ne moeglichkeit, remote nen Reset durchzufuehren? 10:32 < blindcoder> reboot shutdown -r / init 6 laufen bei mir seit 09.20 10:33 < esden> morgen 10:33 < blindcoder> moin esdi 10:33 < hannes> hiho 10:33 < blindcoder> esden: irgend ne idee? hannes? de eine? 10:33 < hannes> hmm, um was gehts? 10:34 < blindcoder> 10:32 < blindcoder> fake: gibts ne moeglichkeit, remote nen Reset 10:34 < blindcoder> durchzufuehren? 10:34 < blindcoder> 10:32 < blindcoder> reboot shutdown -r / init 6 laufen bei mir seit 09.20 10:34 < esden> remote nen reset ... ? wenn du eine sun fire haettest wuesste ich wie du das machen musst ... aber so ... 10:34 < blindcoder> [shutdown (defunct)] 10:34 < blindcoder> um genau zu sein 10:34 < esden> urgh 10:34 < hannes> esden: hehe ;) 10:34 < blindcoder> top - 10:34:41 up 12 days, 13:21, 7 users, load average: 20.17, 19.66, 19.32 10:34 < blindcoder> Tasks: 183 total, 2 running, 164 sleeping, 0 stopped, 17 zombie 10:35 < esden> blindcoder: was hast du gemacht ? 10:35 < esden> ich wette es war dein edonkey ;-) 10:35 < blindcoder> ich tippe eher auf das edonkey-monitoring script 10:36 < esden> php oder ocaml ? 10:36 < blindcoder> weil des mit iptables laeuft und ich 16 [iptables (defunct)] habe 10:36 < esden> hmm hmm 10:37 < blindcoder> und da ein mount hing wollte ich die buechse booten.... und dat geht nicht (can't determine runlevel, doing softreboot) 10:38 < blindcoder> "You better watch out. You better not cry. 'I don't know where all my licenses lie.' Microsoft is coming to town!" 10:39 < esden> hmm ... sorry ich weiss keine hilfe auf dein problem ... ausser dein telefon an den reset knopf von deinem rechner zu befestigen ... 10:40 < blindcoder> hmm... des waere ne idee :D 10:40 < blindcoder> nee ich ruf meine Eltern an wenn se daheim sind --> Alt + Print + [SUB] 10:43 < fake> ... 10:43 < fake> no idea. 10:49 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49C5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:50 * tcr hails all 10:52 < blindcoder> hi tcr 10:55 < fake> hi tcr 10:57 < tcr> moin 10:58 < cchamilton> Anybody around? 10:59 < tcr> yeah 10:59 < cchamilton> I was wondering why Rock couldn't do P2P source sharing. 10:59 < fake> sure 11:00 < fake> hi chris ;) 11:00 < fake> cchamilton: i suggested that a while ago 11:00 * tcr is currently adapting a couple of util-linux-2.11w patches to work for 2.11y 11:00 < fake> but the response was... err... 11:00 < fake> i can't remember, made myself forget it ;) 11:01 < cchamilton> I tried putting source on my P2P just to see if anybody was even looking. 11:01 < cchamilton> None of it was ever downloaded. 11:01 < cchamilton> I want multisource download. 11:01 < fake> i was thinking about using the edonky network.. 11:01 < tcr> could a p2p sharing be maintained at all? 11:02 < fake> and add the MD4-sums they use to the desc files 11:02 < cchamilton> Maintained as well as any other source as long as you check checksums. 11:02 < fake> (MD4) 11:03 < tcr> hmm. what do you assume to be the advantages? 11:03 < cchamilton> I've never heard of edonky. Just the napsters, kazaas, dtct?. 11:04 < cchamilton> I have broadband at home and get sucky throughput these days. 11:04 < cchamilton> I think it must be bankrupt telecoms or something cuz I can still hit high throughput with multiple downloads. 11:04 < fake> go.to/mldonkey 11:05 < esden> hi cchamilton 11:05 < cchamilton> I used to get 200kbs and now get 10 from mirrors in the US. 11:05 < cchamilton> Hi 11:06 < fake> cchamilton: set up a mirror in Australia ;) 11:06 < cchamilton> Australia sucks from Singapore. 11:06 < fake> but... germany is fine? 11:07 * fake has a better connection to vienna than to munich 11:07 < cchamilton> I have never got good connections from au, Germany is much better. 11:07 < fake> (coincidence!) 11:07 < cchamilton> Vienna was good, but I think they block us foreigners now. 11:07 < fake> they would have to block us foreigners, too.. 11:08 < cchamilton> I can't connect from asia or here in the US (where I am now). 11:08 < cchamilton> Maybe only allows ripe addresses. 11:09 < cchamilton> I could probably download from a few places in the US and get good rates. 11:09 < esden> WOOOT the patch still applies ! 11:09 < esden> cool 11:09 < cchamilton> But I would also like to mirror locally. 11:10 < cchamilton> Just not BE a mirror. 11:10 < cchamilton> P2P would fit that temporary status. 11:11 < fake> cchamilton: go to a university and ask them ;) 11:11 < blindcoder> esden: which one? 11:11 < esden> blindcoder: my last dietlibc patch ... that never left my harddisk ... because I always had the feeling that it is not tested enough 11:12 < cchamilton> Oh, they usually only mirror what they use. 11:12 < cchamilton> I have no converts here to speak of. 11:12 < blindcoder> esden: oh... 11:14 < cchamilton> I may get a static ADSL soon which I might try as a mirror. 11:15 < cchamilton> I just turn my computers off every now and then. 11:15 < cchamilton> Could we setup multidownload from current mirrors? 11:17 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@p50813168.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:17 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49C5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: thalerim!~tobrit@p50813168.dip.t-dialin.net))) 11:17 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr 11:19 < cchamilton> I have seen some download programs with it. 11:22 < cchamilton> Why did we pick curl? 11:23 < cchamilton> Ack, ranting to myself again. 11:25 < tcr> cchamilton: I think the question must rather be: "Why isn't there a search possibility for the mailinglist?" 11:25 < cchamilton> I though there was. 11:26 < tcr> couldn't find one whenever i would have needed it 11:28 < cchamilton> I think you can use the homepage search. Or at least it used to work (titles were all the same). 11:29 < cchamilton> Yep, it still works. 11:29 < cchamilton> Titles for mails are correct too. 11:30 < tcr> indeed 11:30 < cchamilton> Should also work on irc chats I think. 11:30 < tcr> well "Search the ROCK Linux Homepage" is a bit misleading 11:31 < cchamilton> Yeah, well that is about only the 100th misleading title/name/description in the project. 11:32 < cchamilton> I'm not anal enough to go around poking at names, etc. 11:32 < cchamilton> My wife has tried a few times, but never went ahead and complained. 11:32 < cchamilton> I think there were to many. 11:33 < tcr> not always easy to find the fully right name for non-native english speakers, i think 11:33 < cchamilton> The website is better than a year ago, but is could be MUCH better. 11:33 < cchamilton> Well that, and even though Clifford does speak English well, he doesn't pick titles in English well sometimes. 11:34 < tcr> nomen est omen ;) 11:35 < cchamilton> No sprechen... 11:35 < tcr> ? 11:36 < tcr> that's a common latin sentence... actually 11:36 < cchamilton> I don't do latin, or anything. 11:37 < tcr> :P that to know is general education, well at least here in germany 11:37 < cchamilton> I am a product of the US public school system. 11:37 < tcr> names are signs/indications/... 11:38 < cchamilton> I have about 5 years of Spanish , 1 of German and can barely speak English. 11:38 < cchamilton> Yeah, I kind of figured that omen bit. 11:39 < tcr> yeah, you beyoung the sea didn't get in the contact with latin as we did for millenniums 11:39 < cchamilton> It isn't offered as there are no teachers for it. 11:39 < tcr> beyond 11:40 < cchamilton> Heck, it is hard to find it at colleges. 11:40 < tcr> well .. i mean such sentences got involved into the germany vocabularies 11:40 < cchamilton> Yeah. 11:41 < tcr> though not known by the common people 11:41 < tcr> ..either 11:42 < cchamilton> Oh well. 11:42 < tcr> at least you know "nomen est omen" from now on and can brag with it :) 11:42 < cchamilton> Maybe, someday Rock will get a better site. 11:43 < cchamilton> No my braind doesn't work that way. I can remember phrases and sayings. 11:43 < tcr> you should come up with this topic when 2.0 comes out 11:43 < cchamilton> I don't know when that will happen. 11:44 < cchamilton> Is the gem tags stabilized yet? 11:44 < tcr> arguing in a way like "2.0 is something like a milestone and this should bring up a completely restructured appearence (and that includes the website etc)" 11:44 < cchamilton> Yeah, I could see that. 11:45 < cchamilton> Plus, we would have something to offer people - so marketing would be important. 11:45 < tcr> clifford says he'll probably be able to get early 2.0 pre releases done at 19c3 that's very soon 11:46 < cchamilton> I am all onboard if gem doesn't change. 11:46 < cchamilton> We need unified packages between stable/development. 11:46 < tcr> how meant? if gem doesnt change itself or if it doesnt change anything? 11:46 < tcr> ACK!!! 11:47 < tcr> that probably TEH current fault 11:47 < cchamilton> I might actually start making packages again. 11:48 < cchamilton> It is the current stables flaw. 11:48 * tcr is getting sth to drink, brb 11:48 < cchamilton> It also hurt 1.4 as the packages were not kept up to date and we didn't have old source mirrors. 11:48 < cchamilton> ack 11:51 < tcr> re 11:52 < cchamilton> . 11:52 < tcr> yeah, pjotr and me will pay attention when decisions about stabilizing 2.0 come up 11:53 < cchamilton> Pjotr still wants 1.6 right? 11:54 < tcr> yup 11:54 < esden> tcr: If I understood clifford correctle then 2.0 will be forked on 19c3 11:55 < esden> or better the 2.0 stabilization tree 11:55 < cchamilton> If it doesn't happen this week, Clifford will proabably push just to beat 1.6. 11:55 < esden> and the maintainer of 2.0 will be elected 11:55 < cchamilton> Will that be 1.9? 11:56 < tcr> esden: hmm. 11:56 < esden> cchamilton: no ... i think that the current 1.7 tree will be renaimed to 2.1 and the 1.7 will then become 2.0 11:56 < cchamilton> If I knew I had the time, I would volunteer. 11:56 < esden> just like with the 1.5 tree and 1.7 11:57 < tcr> cchamilton: pjotr suggested you (when we talked privately) 11:57 < cchamilton> I used to know internal well, and I can handle CVS and releases. Just it will fall apart if I don't have time. 11:58 < cchamilton> I'll have to read the new code over for awhile and get used to it. 11:58 < cchamilton> My social skill are rusty. 11:59 < cchamilton> I think from 2.0 onward we should consider packages separate from the system. 11:59 < tcr> ;) 11:59 < tcr> true 12:00 < cchamilton> Then release known sets of packages and make them mirrored along with bleading edge. 12:00 < cchamilton> That is what sets us from Debian, yet would still give us Debian unstable stability. 12:01 < cchamilton> At most, we would force a specific gcc/glibc/binutils so that there are no problems there. 12:02 < cchamilton> It would be a simple rsync away for people to grab the development version. 12:03 < tcr> well 12:03 < cchamilton> Man do I rant easily when I don't sleep. 12:04 < tcr> in my opinion the packages should be split into two things "actually package managing" and "package maintaing", the latter should be equal for _all_ versions and should be shared among them 12:04 < cchamilton> I am not clear what you mean. 12:05 < tcr> it's a pain in the ass that currently both tree have to bother updating packages and that _seperately_ 12:05 < tcr> there should be one source where all version get the necessary information from 12:06 < cchamilton> Yeah, but how do we fit in patches that don't apply to all versions? 12:06 < cchamilton> Single .desc, multiple .conf? 12:06 < tcr> single .desc and .pz 12:07 < tcr> multiple .conf are probably required 12:07 < cchamilton> .pz is 1.5 legacy. 12:07 < tcr> yeah i know, but i haven't touched 1.7 so far 12:07 < cchamilton> That would mean moving versions from .desc (where the .pz is now) 12:08 < tcr> so i dont know how it's handled there 12:08 < cchamilton> It kind of makes since to put conf and version info together. 12:09 < cchamilton> That is a major change though. 12:09 < tcr> don't ask me for real instructions how this should be performed, i just say it _must_ be performed for the next branching, because that's an issue that both share and that shouldn be done seperately (simple waste of time) 12:10 < cchamilton> Especially now that packages are tightly owned by maintainers. 12:11 < cchamilton> Hmm I'll yell at clifford about this. He may have a solution in mind. 12:12 < tcr> he should start a discussion about the future before he decides anything 12:12 < cchamilton> At this rate, that will happen during 19c3. 12:13 < tcr> exactly to avoid this pjotr came in mind to delegate a non-german the role of the next maintainer 12:13 < cchamilton> But I'll be there this year. 12:14 < tcr> hmm :) 12:14 < cchamilton> Of course I won't be in Europe for all of next year :). 12:15 < tcr> would be better if bush goes as straight as before though 12:16 < cchamilton> ?? 12:16 < tcr> nuthin actually ;) 12:17 < cchamilton> Ah, Bush is sacred in the US it appears. We know he's stupid, but he's our kind of stupid. 12:18 < tcr> was my sentence that screwed up? 12:19 < cchamilton> yep. 12:19 < cchamilton> what bush? 12:20 < cchamilton> ooh, push. 12:20 < tcr> ;) you seems to have understood it finally 12:20 < tcr> nah i mean your pres 12:20 < cchamilton> Sorry I have been under the threat of those damn liberals ever since I have been staying with my parents. 12:21 < cchamilton> Do you know what the queers are doing to the soil? 12:21 < tcr> well just wanted to say if bush decides to attack iraq, living in europe will certainly be better for you 12:22 < cchamilton> Ah, Singapore isn't that bad even if we are surrounded by the dreaded muslim hoard. 12:25 < cchamilton> Yes, qt3 built. 12:25 < aszlig> re hi 12:26 < blindcoder> hi aszlig 12:28 < cchamilton> Hmm, 12:29 < esden> ok ... /me freezed dietlibc stuff till 19c3 ... I really have to talk to fefe 12:29 < cchamilton> I think I should go to sleep soon. 12:29 < cchamilton> How is dietlibc? 12:29 < esden> cchamilton: what time is it at your place currently ? 12:29 < cchamilton> 6:30am Friday 12:30 < esden> ok ... it is 12:30 Friday here ... 12:30 < cchamilton> I have been nursing 1.7 on a dialup. 12:31 < esden> dialup ? 12:31 < esden> but as I understood it correctly you get a fixed line soon ? 12:31 < cchamilton> 4kb maximum. Took 3 days to get base. 12:31 < cchamilton> In Singapore. 12:31 < cchamilton> I am in Ohio now. 12:32 < cchamilton> My parents may get two-way satellite, but not while I am here. 12:32 < esden> why not while you are there ? because you would stay there ? 12:33 < cchamilton> No, they procrastinated on price. I told them two weeks ago that they needed to decide then. 12:33 < esden> i mean with there ... your parents 12:33 < cchamilton> My father keeps bringing it up and I have to tell him it is too late. 12:34 < cchamilton> It would take some effort to setup, so I would have to help him set it up and it is too late. 12:34 < esden> that sucks 12:34 < cchamilton> Crappy windows only DVB modem. 12:34 -!- LoriAW is now known as Lorini 12:34 < esden> hi Lorini 12:34 < Lorini> hiho alle ihr 12:36 < cchamilton> It really is messed up, we would have to use a windows proxy or windoes 2000 firewall. 12:36 < cchamilton> Talk about security issues. 12:36 < cchamilton> He doesn't know networks well enough to do it himself. 12:37 < tcr> aah.. finally ported the patches to util-linux 2.11y, now let's hope the build doesnt fail 12:37 < esden> cchamilton: hmm ... send your father to a ccne course ;-) 12:37 < tcr> cchamilton: I'm using WinRouter Pro and i'm really fine with it 12:38 < tcr> routing, masquerading, ip filtering .. no problem 12:38 < cchamilton> He's old school z80 and doesn't program anymore. He has pretty much stopped learning on computers. 12:38 < tcr> ip packets 12:39 < cchamilton> Yeah, but how much does it cost? 12:39 < cchamilton> My father is now an end-user only. 12:40 < tcr> Well .. lol! that's actually very funny, I've tried the trial version but it hasn't complained to buy the real version since half an year 12:40 < cchamilton> Hmm. That is interesting. 12:41 < tcr> well but i fear updating as hell ;) 12:41 < cchamilton> If I could guarantee that I could remotely explain how to set it up, I would encourage them. 12:42 < tcr> hmm, the help file will actually be sufficient to tell how to enable, at least, simple masquerading 12:43 < cchamilton> I would like it, as then they would be like a slow ping T1. I might move a server here. 12:43 < cchamilton> 1 static IP though. 12:44 < tcr> btw 12:44 < tcr> winrouter pro has got remote control ability 12:44 < tcr> though via a windows client only 12:44 < cchamilton> That would be OK. Hmm. I'll look into it. 12:45 < tcr> ah util-linux builds fine .. 12:45 < cchamilton> The alternative is to buy a 'router' which is a small windows 2000 box presetup and costing $2000. 12:46 < cchamilton> Stupid. 12:46 < cchamilton> There is a vapor where linuux box for $995. 12:46 < cchamilton> ware linux 12:47 < aszlig> du -sh /var/log|awk '{ print $1; }' -> 8.1G 12:47 < aszlig> :) 12:48 < aszlig> ... cause /me was to lazy to fix thet logrotate prob *g* 12:50 * tcr brb (cooking) 12:50 < cchamilton> Hmm kdelibs broke with undefined qt references. 12:52 < esden> cchamilton: 1.5 || 1.7 12:54 < cchamilton> 1.7 12:55 < cchamilton> make_driver_db_cups libkdefakes.so: undefined reference 12:55 < cchamilton> Appears that kdefakes needs qt explicitly in the gcc line. 12:56 < esden> cchamilton: hmm ... I disabled the old kde ... 12:56 < esden> becauso of this errors 12:56 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813168.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:56 < cchamilton> You using 3.1? 12:56 < esden> it is rene stuff ... and I have enough to do besides fixing kde stuff >_< 12:56 < esden> I do not use kde at all 12:56 < cchamilton> erm 12:57 < esden> but I wanted to create a most complete iso 12:57 < cchamilton> crap 12:57 < esden> cchamilton: I use fluxbox currently ;-) 12:57 < cchamilton> I need windows to show off linux. 12:58 < esden> hmm ... it seems that my dietlibc patch really works ... 12:58 < esden> I will have to send it to clifford 12:59 < esden> cchamilton: yes ... but only when you are marketting linux to "users" and not hackers ... 12:59 < esden> and there are enough hackers that need to be converted to linux ... and even more to rock linux ;-) 13:00 < cchamilton> Well, one paradigm at a time. 13:00 < esden> huh ... what is perl5 doing on the installdisks of rock ? o_O 13:00 < cchamilton> ?? 13:00 < esden> ahh ... ok ... that is because of autoconf 13:00 < esden> and automake ... 13:00 < esden> but who is developing stuff on install disks ? 13:01 < cchamilton> Crap might as well make it run webmin based install. 13:01 < esden> ROFL 13:02 < esden> RockLinux - we are so ill that we run webservers on our install system 13:02 < cchamilton> :) 13:02 < cchamilton> Instant root. 13:02 < cchamilton> It is actually quite safe, but yes it is bloated. 13:02 < esden> yes ... rocklinux install disks are knoppix killer 13:03 < cchamilton> Where are the installdisk info in the tree? 13:04 < fake> hm... yummy 13:04 < esden> target/bootdisk/* 13:04 < esden> fake: re hi ! 13:04 < esden> have you eaten something ? 13:04 * -> esden gets hungry 13:05 < fake> esden: the buffet is ready 13:05 < fake> *g* 13:05 < fake> x-mas party ;) 13:06 < esden> in your firm ? 13:06 < fake> esden: yes. 13:06 * -> esden -> car -> fake's firm 13:06 < fake> esden: forget it *g* 13:06 < esden> *grrr* 13:07 < cchamilton> package_map?? 13:07 < fake> "Living on Earth may be expensive, but it includes an annual free trip around the Sun." 13:07 < fake> *lol* 13:07 < Lorini> lol 13:07 < esden> lol 13:07 < esden> cchamilton: mom 13:07 < esden> that is not sooo easy ;-) 13:08 < cchamilton> ?? 13:08 < cchamilton> ? ? 13:08 < esden> cchamilton: target/bootdisk/config.in 13:09 < fake> cchamilton: how's jocelyn? 13:09 < esden> on lines 4 to 30 13:09 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-201-233.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:09 < esden> fake: allways thinking about femails ... 13:09 < esden> ok ... 13:09 * -> esden -> food 13:09 < cchamilton> Yeah, but there is a 'package_map' in build.sh that includes perl. 13:10 < cchamilton> fake: Joceclyn is fine. 13:10 < fake> cchamilton: my greetings to her, tell her i almost bought a VW Bus ;)) 13:10 < cchamilton> OK, I don't think that would impress her. 13:11 < cchamilton> Why a bus? 13:13 < cchamilton> Hey would you vote for me if I run for election as 2.0 stablizer? 13:14 < cchamilton> Hmm, I must have mortally insulted fake. 13:15 < cchamilton> Hey maybe I can get some sgi boxes out of this. 13:18 < cchamilton> Well I think I should go do some stuff 13:23 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D42A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:23 < fake> stop 13:24 < fake> did i hear sgi boxes? 13:24 < fake> ;) 13:25 < fake> i was just joking about that bus again - in the hope of finally gathering knowledge of what was so funny about them. 13:26 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D42A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 13:28 < cchamilton> OK 13:28 < cchamilton> I think that somes it up then. 13:29 < cchamilton> Just buses are related to hippy like things I think. 13:29 < cchamilton> That and bad swedish hippy films. 13:29 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801317.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("reboot tut gut") 13:30 < cchamilton> Oh well, I should go... 13:30 < fake> -_- 13:30 < fake> have a nice day, merry x-mas in case we don't see each other berfore 0-day 13:31 < cchamilton> I'll try and irc more before 19c3. bye. 13:31 < fake> cchamilton: kewl 13:32 < esden> re 13:34 -!- rxr [~rene@gsmp.tfh-berlin.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:34 < rxr> hi 13:34 < rxr> s.o. here ? 13:38 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49B15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:39 < rxr> hi tcr 13:39 * rxr away gain ... cu all 13:40 < tcr> moin 13:40 < tcr> lol ;) 14:09 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-be-2-2-dialup-69.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 14:09 < esden> good ... dietlibc patch ready ... 14:10 < esden> now uClibc ... 14:11 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-be-2-2-dialup-69.freesurf.ch] has quit (Client Quit) 14:23 -!- ichilton [~ian@pc1-stoc3-4-cust247.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit ("leaving") 14:23 -!- pjotrp [~wrk@212.56.123.65] has joined #rocklinux 14:26 < tcr> hi pjotrp 14:27 < tcr> i still want to know if the cvs can be used right now or not 14:31 < rolla> re 14:31 < rolla> damn 1.7 :( 14:33 < pjotrp> don't know 14:33 < pjotrp> I am not touching it for obvious reasons 14:33 < rolla> warum? 14:34 < pjotrp> Huebi claims to be 'fixing' it 14:35 < tcr> well, fixed nasty bug in Build-Pkg which proclaims a fail for being succeced 14:35 < rolla> hmm 14:35 < rolla> I can't even get gcc2 to build on stage 1 :( 14:35 < pjotrp> Also there are a few E-mails he should answer 14:35 < pjotrp> about the roadmap and all that 14:36 < tcr> and updated util-linux to 2.11y (inclusively porting the old patches) 14:36 < pjotrp> Maybe you should just ask whether you are allowed to commit ;-) 14:36 < pjotrp> and wait for a reply - which may take till next year 14:36 < pjotrp> *sigh* 14:36 < esden> hmm ... clifford is unavalable >_< 14:36 < esden> hi pjotrp 14:36 < pjotrp> Hi everyone :-) 14:37 < pjotrp> I am going to NL the next weeks - so will have limited input 14:37 < rolla> lucky you 14:37 < tcr> however, will take this day for free.. to meet some friends in some minutes 14:37 < tcr> for celebrating christmas with your family? 14:38 * -> esden packing the sun fire for transport to 19c3 ;-) 14:38 < pjotrp> have a good time all of you - will be interesting to see what happens at CCC 14:39 < esden> pjotrp: it will be interesting for sure 14:39 < tcr> chris said he will attent there too 14:39 < pjotrp> ROCK has never had this many supporters 14:39 < pjotrp> and 1.7 is making head way 14:40 < esden> pjotrp: we will talk a lot there ... like always when we meet 14:40 < rolla> esden how is the ultrasparc rock going? 14:40 < pjotrp> 2003 should be very very interesting 14:40 < esden> rolla: I can not say ... because I can't get the network interfaces working in the sun fire ... 14:40 < pjotrp> I will make it to CCC - one day 14:40 < esden> I hope to get help on CCC 14:40 < rolla> hmm 14:40 < rolla> esden: where did you get your hands on a sunfire ;) 14:40 * -> esden ist obviously too stupid for that 14:41 < esden> rolla: thanks to hannes 14:41 -!- pjotrp [~wrk@212.56.123.65] has left #rocklinux () 14:41 < rolla> wow 14:41 < esden> he borowed it to me 14:41 < rolla> I thought I was doing well with a E3500 :) 14:41 < esden> that is only a v100 14:41 < esden> so nothing extraordinary 14:41 < rolla> specs? 14:42 < esden> urgh ... I do not have them in my head 14:42 < esden> but 1GB RAM 14:42 < rolla> how many psrs? 14:42 < esden> and a disk big enough to build rock 14:42 < esden> only one processor 14:43 < rolla> I thought a sunfire was a E15K? 14:43 < esden> hehe ... no 14:43 < esden> the sun fire I have is the smallest server you can get from sun 14:44 < rolla> ? 14:44 < rolla> 280R? 14:45 < rolla> I see now 14:45 < rolla> the cool 1U servers 14:45 < rolla> the new netra type servers 14:45 < rolla> very cool 14:46 < rolla> esden: If you ever need a tester. I have a sun blade that needs a new OS :) 14:46 -!- Netsplit anthony.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: praenti, tcr 14:47 < esden> yes sure it is cool 14:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tcr 14:49 < esden> rolla: i would like to help you ... but due to my time shortage and lacking "genius" I am not having a rock biuld for ultra sparc :-( 14:49 < esden> but I am doing my best 14:49 < rolla> I know that is why once you are closer I will help with what I can :) 14:50 < esden> thenk you ... all help is appreciated 14:50 < esden> and in the first place it is fast hardware ;-) 14:50 < esden> but I will now bet for the alpha 14:50 < esden> that holyolly has put on ebay 14:50 < rolla> nod that is cool alpha 14:50 < esden> but I am not sure how high I should go with the price 14:51 < rolla> but If I bring home one more alpha my wife would kill me 14:51 < esden> my parents are already killing me 14:51 < esden> my room == server room 14:51 < rolla> too many computers? 14:51 -!- praenti [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:51 < esden> yes too many ... but most of them are terribly slow 14:51 < esden> hi praenti 14:51 < rolla> yeah I have part of the basement is the NOC/server room 14:52 < esden> NOC ? 14:52 < rolla> I currently have 4 alpha in my basement alpne 14:52 < rolla> Network Operations Center 14:52 < esden> ok 14:52 < esden> that is cool 14:52 < rolla> all my wireing and patch panels 14:52 < esden> we only have a flat 14:52 < rolla> wish I had more time 14:52 < rolla> nod 14:52 < esden> so no basement where I could put my machines 14:53 < rolla> that sucks 14:53 < esden> rolla: I also wish to have more time 14:53 < rolla> you still in school? 14:53 < esden> rolla: it is easy ... we need to be payed for working on rock ;-) 14:54 < esden> rolla: I am studying ... an Technische Universitaet Muenchen 14:54 < esden> s,an,at, 14:54 < fake> esden: remeber that ps2 donation thing? 14:54 < rolla> re afke 14:54 < esden> re fake 14:54 < rolla> s/fafke/fake 14:54 < esden> fake: yes 14:54 < fake> esden: forget about it. 14:55 < fake> esden: tha whole amount has been donated in form of hardware by my boss. 14:55 < esden> fake: cool 14:55 < esden> fake: have fun ;-) 14:55 < rolla> wow 14:58 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49B15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:59 < esden> hmm ... clifford loves flexibility and what he done in the bootdisk target is everything ... but not flexible >_< 14:59 < esden> ok ... halting natalie 15:04 -!- ichilton [~ian@pc1-stoc3-4-cust247.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #rocklinux 15:12 < esden> ok ... 1.7 amd thunderbird iso is finished 15:12 < esden> it run surprisingly easy and flawless 15:14 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:22 -!- bishophome [~bishop@h062040148066.kob.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #rocklinux 15:37 < fake> this new "beer-mix" salitos with ginger tastes ugly 15:37 < fake> women-beer 15:40 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:40 < owl> moin 15:42 < esden> ok ... build finished ... burned and patches uploaded on apollo 15:42 < esden> now I can shut down my main box ;-) 15:42 < esden> cu all 15:43 < owl> bye esden 15:49 < fake> owl: wann habts denn ihr schule? 15:49 < fake> eigentlich(TM) 15:51 < owl> fake: normalerweise dienstag und alle zwei wochen (in den ungeraden) donnerstags. hi btw 15:51 < owl> warum fragste? 15:52 < fake> nur so 15:53 < owl> ah so. 15:55 < sjefen> what's up with these kernel modules. my nic has always worked as a 3c59x, but not on rock.. 15:56 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 15:56 < Mike1> moin all 15:57 < rolla> re Mike1 15:57 < owl> hi Mike1 15:59 < sjefen> olla Mike1 16:00 < Mike1> s/olla/hola 16:00 < Mike1> :) 16:00 < sjefen> :) 16:00 < rolla> olla =~ rolla ;) 16:21 < Mike1> has anyone seen pjotrp around today? 16:23 < th> 14:41:13 -!- pjotrp [~wrk@212.56.123.65] has left #rocklinux [] 16:23 < Mike1> thanks th 16:31 < sjefen> how do i activate stage 9 in the config thingie? 16:38 < fake> [*] Make rebuild stage (Stage 9) or something 16:38 < fake> in the expert section 16:40 < sjefen> can't mark it 16:40 < sjefen> that's the problem. 16:40 < fake> with space? 16:40 < th> cause you are no expert? 16:40 < sjefen> it's = =, and can't put a * in there. 16:40 < sjefen> hehe 16:40 < th> *scnr* 16:40 < fake> ah 16:40 < fake> do you build bootdisk? 16:41 < sjefen> yeah. 16:41 < sjefen> ah. 16:41 < fake> tada ;) 16:41 < sjefen> hehe 16:41 < sjefen> and what's the diffrence between generic and desktop? 16:41 < sjefen> what do you fellas use? 16:41 < th> rock-1.5 16:41 < th> ;> 16:41 < sjefen> :) 16:41 < fake> desktop is a target derived from desktop-rock 16:41 < fake> use generic for now 16:42 < sjefen> hard to burn the stuff to a cd? 16:42 < fake> desktop is not currently worked at, iirc. 16:42 < fake> ./scripts/Create-ISO -help 16:42 < fake> ;) 16:42 < sjefen> 1.7 series. 16:42 < fake> usually 16:43 < fake> ./scripts/Create-ISO bootconfig systemconfig 16:43 < sjefen> ok, just heard something about iso stuff not being implented yet'. 16:43 < fake> sjefen: booting from cd from other platforms than intel is not implemented yet. 16:43 < sjefen> ah. 16:43 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:43 < sjefen> then we agree :) 16:43 < fake> (sparc,sparc64,alpha,...) 16:44 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 16:44 < fake> hi blindcoder 16:44 < fake> blindcoder: GET A DVD-BURNER 16:44 < blindcoder> fake: GIVE ME THE MONEY 16:44 < blindcoder> my balance is -300 EUR 16:44 < owl> hi blindcoder 16:44 < blindcoder> hi owly! 16:44 < fake> blindcoder: i give you a ps2 for the time you need to play through FF X :P 16:45 < fake> (you burn it *g*) 16:45 < sjefen> oh, oh, how is ffX? I've heard it's bad..? 16:45 < blindcoder> fake: no thanks, I haven't even had time for FFVI or AoM 16:45 < fake> sjefen: i just got a ps2 -> no idea. 16:46 < sjefen> ah. 17:04 < rolla> FFX rocks :) 17:05 < fake> hehe *g* 17:05 < sjefen> it does? 17:05 < sjefen> rolla: is there a world map? 17:05 < rolla> I belive so 17:05 < sjefen> belive so... 17:06 < rolla> beleive co 17:06 < sjefen> i've heard there's just a linear plotline. 17:06 < rolla> It is not as free wheeling as IX or VIII 17:07 * blindcoder gone. having a bath 17:07 < rolla> but I found it to be very cool 17:07 < sjefen> ok. 17:08 < sjefen> I've got the game here, just haven't had the time to start on it yet'. 17:08 < fake> sjefen: where do you live? *g* 17:08 < fake> ist it PAL? 17:08 < sjefen> norway :) 17:10 < fake> that's PAL, isn't it? 17:10 < rolla> ja 17:10 < fake> weee! 17:10 < rolla> NTSC is USA/canada/japan? 17:10 < fake> japan is NTSC? 17:10 < fake> really? 17:11 < rolla> I think so 17:11 < rolla> I can play japanesse games on my stuff 17:11 < rolla> so yes 17:11 < fake> japan has the same DVD region code than germany *g* 17:11 < fake> very nice for anime otakus *g* 17:11 < rolla> mom 17:11 < sjefen> it's pal, yeah. 17:12 < fake> sjefen: may i drop by tonight? just havin' a look at it... 17:12 < rolla> NTSC (National Television Standards Committee) is a standard used in North America and Japan. I 17:13 < fake> okay... okay... 17:13 < sjefen> fake : where do you live? :) 17:14 < rolla> PAL is better format tho 17:14 < sjefen> PAL rocks :) 17:14 < rolla> 625 lines veruses 525 17:15 < rolla> oh well the us has to differant doesn't it ;) 17:15 < fake> sjefen: germany. bavaria. currently in munich. 17:15 < sjefen> hehe, I'll rip it and mail you :) 17:16 < rolla> FFX? 17:16 < fake> so you'll send me a raid-5 of 3 9 GB discs with FFX on them? 17:16 < fake> kewl *g* 17:16 < fake> (raid-5 is needed for Deutsche Post AG) 17:16 < sjefen> e-mail :) 17:17 < fake> icq! 17:17 < sjefen> hehe. 17:17 < fake> smb! 17:17 < fake> cifs! 17:17 < sjefen> I'll DCC it over :) 17:17 < fake> dns! 17:17 < fake> yeah 17:18 < fake> tftp. 17:18 < sjefen> I've got my hands on a svcd version of die another day now :) 17:18 < sjefen> you guys seen it= 17:18 < fake> nope 17:18 < rolla> nein 17:18 < owl> i saw it. 17:19 < sjefen> so what do you think? 17:19 < owl> sjefen: more special effects, and that was imho all what was cool... the older movies were better imho 17:20 < sjefen> owl : yeah, I think the last two were better. 17:24 < rolla> I have found where 1.5.20/1.6.0pre1 root-disk build dies :) 17:28 < owl> rolla: is sthe 1.5.20 bootable from cd, if you burn the iso created by create-cd for you? i can't boot from cd if i'm trying it with my own builds... (layer -8 or rock-rockcreate-iso-problem)? 17:30 < rolla> owl: I never got 1.5.20 to boot from cd it allways messed up when buildin ghte root-disk 17:30 < owl> i c. 17:30 < rolla> I don't know the fix yet but I have found where in the code it screws up and I must look into it with mike 17:34 < Mike1> hi owly 17:35 < owl> hi Mike1. 17:50 < owl> *grrr* killed by books... painful death :-/ 17:51 < rolla> book are you friends :) 17:52 < owl> yeah. but not if they're falling down onto your head... *complain* 17:54 < rolla> :) 17:54 -!- bishophome [~bishop@h062040148066.kob.cm.kabsi.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:10 < sjefen> is there a package manager in rock somewhere? 18:10 -!- cchamilton [~chatzilla@mx4kmodem16.marietta.ee.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18:11 < blindcoder> sjefen: me has DAD, too, seen it at the cinema. nice effects, little story, predictable and with ligical errors 18:11 * blindcoder now eating 18:12 < rolla> re blindcoder 18:13 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1CEC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 < rolla> DON'T PANIC 18:43 < Mike1> rolla ? 18:44 < rolla> ever read hitchikers guide to the galaxay 18:59 < qubit_> hehe ;) 19:08 < owl> ./Install.bin . /mnt/disk/part1 19:08 < owl> noooo. not again! 19:09 < rolla> ? 19:10 < owl> rolla: i'm always using the wrong keyboard... and computers :-// 19:11 < rolla> ? 19:11 < rolla> I still do not understand 19:11 < owl> rolla: what's not clear? 19:11 < rolla> are you trying the install on the wrong computer 19:12 < owl> yes... and in irssi... i guess this won't work ;) 19:12 < rolla> :) 19:13 < owl> but - heh! that's a great idea... irssi-module to install rock from it... ! (j/k) or is it a badf idea? ;P 19:47 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Lost terminal") 19:48 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:51 < owl> WAH! sh** "installation of package x11/qt failed" : -( 19:52 < blindcoder> owl: you're idling 19:52 < owl> blindcoder: yeah. to lazy to speak. why? 19:52 < blindcoder> on FTP... 19:53 < owl> *grrr* my client died.. thx 19:53 < blindcoder> no problem :) 19:55 < owl> FSCK! i hate " nho space left on device" 19:55 < blindcoder> *lol* 19:56 < owl> blindcoder: eh! don't be so unfair. nothing to laugh about here... 19:56 < aszlig> re 19:56 < aszlig> what!? 19:56 < aszlig> owl: no space left!? 19:56 < aszlig> owl: where? 19:56 < owl> aszlig: on part1 of ancoras 19:56 < blindcoder> /dev/discs/disc1/part1 19:56 < blindcoder> 75G 75G 1.2G 99% /data 19:56 < blindcoder> @owl 19:57 < aszlig> owl: oh, k ;) 19:57 < owl> blindcoder: :P 19:57 < blindcoder> /dev/root 70G 15G 55G 21% / 19:57 < blindcoder> *hehe* 19:58 < aszlig> /dev/loop0 9.7G 1.2G 8.0G 13% /home 19:58 < rolla> re 19:58 < blindcoder> /dev/loop0 ? 19:58 < aszlig> blindcoder: encrypted ;) 19:58 < blindcoder> that's no ROCK system :D 19:58 < owl> re rolla 19:58 < blindcoder> aszlig: /dev/discs/disc1/part1 is also encrypted 19:58 < aszlig> blindcoder: which algo? 19:59 < blindcoder> who knows :) 19:59 < aszlig> blindcoder: null algo :P *gg* 19:59 < blindcoder> mount -o encryption=<***> /dev/discs/disc1/part1 /data/ 20:00 < aszlig> blindcoder: which kernel? 20:01 < blindcoder> blindcoder@scavenger:~$ uname -a 20:01 < blindcoder> Linux scavenger 2.4.19 #3 Sat Dec 7 19:55:02 CET 2002 i586 unknown 20:01 < aszlig> with cryptoapi? 20:01 < blindcoder> sure 20:02 < blindcoder> or have you written your own XOR-encryptor for your /home? :P 20:02 < aszlig> ey! no XOR!? 20:02 < aszlig> s/.$// 20:03 < aszlig> that's too "invertable" 20:03 < blindcoder> *lol* 20:03 < blindcoder> revertable 20:03 < aszlig> *grml* 20:04 < blindcoder> that reminds me... 20:04 < blindcoder> I should rmmod 'some' (half) of the modules... 20:10 < blindcoder> hmm 20:10 * blindcoder geht anie schaun 20:43 -!- bishophome [~bishop@h062040148066.kob.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:57 -!- Lorini is now known as LoriAW 20:57 * LoriAW is away: Weg.. arbeiten *g* 21:12 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p508138FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:16 * tcr hails all 21:26 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ("Lost terminal") 21:44 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E11E62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:44 < tsa> moin. 21:45 < tcr> moin 21:46 < rolla> re tsa 21:46 < Mike1> moin tsa. 21:48 < tcr> hi rolla. hi Mike1, you are still alive? 21:50 < rolla> :p 22:16 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:16 < owl> re 22:16 < Mike1> tcr: 1/2 a bit alive 22:16 < Mike1> Miss owl 22:17 < owl> Mister Mike1 ? ;) 22:17 < Mike1> Wie geht es Ihnen? 22:18 < owl> Mike1: gut. but stressed. and you? 22:18 -!- tsa_ [~tsa@p5082B5C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:18 < tsa_> re 22:18 < Mike1> mir es gut auch, danke 22:18 < owl> hi tsa_ 22:22 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E11E62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: tsa_!~tsa@p5082B5C9.dip.t-dialin.net))) 22:22 -!- tsa_ is now known as tsa 22:30 -!- rolla [~Der@134.244.181.87] has quit ("leaving") 22:48 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: owl_!~owl@aszlig.net))) 22:50 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B59f0.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:50 < owl> *grrrrrr* re 22:51 < owl> what's wrong with my new installed rock?? i get a kernel panic... :-// 23:00 < tsa> what kind of panic? 23:00 < owl> Warning: unable to open an initial console. 23:01 < owl> Kernel panic: No init found. 23:01 < owl> lilo.conf --> root=/dev/ide/.../part1 23:01 < owl> rdev /boot/vmlinuz.1520 /dev/ide/.../part1 23:02 < tsa> /sbin/init present? 23:02 < owl> yep 23:03 < tsa> /etc/inittab? 23:03 < owl> yep 23:03 < tsa> hmm.. 23:15 * SMP wonders if owl has not yet found /usr/bin/screen 23:15 < owl> SMP: why? 23:16 < Mike1> SMP: of course not 23:19 < SMP> owl: because otherwise we would not notice your connection breaking 23:19 < owl> hm. k. 23:20 -!- LoriAW is now known as Lorini 23:20 < Mike1> owl: what SMP means is use scrren _please_ 23:20 < Mike1> screen* 23:20 < Mike1> hi Lorini 23:20 < Lorini> hi 23:21 < owl> Mike1: i won't use it. i just use my stupid x or windows or whatever now... if i'm testing on my notebook 23:22 < Mike1> owl owl has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: owl_!~owl@aszlig.net))) 23:22 < Mike1> is that really ur host? 23:22 < Mike1> anyways i dont have time for this 23:22 * Mike1 back to code 23:22 < owl> i was connected remote to this machine... then i changed the PCs... now i'm on my home-PC agian. 23:23 < Mike1> ok sed 23:23 < owl> (ok. one of them) 23:23 < Mike1> owl you will not cause any impression here by having more than one pc at home 23:23 < Mike1> sorry :) 23:24 < SMP> rofl 23:24 < owl> Mike1: oh, not? ;) now i'm sad ;P 23:24 < Mike1> lol 23:25 < Mike1> tell me you have sparc64 notebook and a sun blade 2000 as workstation then i will be impressed :) 23:26 < Mike1> anyways back to playing with openbsd 23:26 < owl> hehe. first i need someone who pays those stuff for me 23:27 < Mike1> ask SMP :) 23:28 < owl> *g* 23:28 < SMP> P|N>K 23:28 < SMP> (Pudding through Nose onto Keyboard) 23:28 < Mike1> ;) 23:28 < Mike1> anyways i am out of here see you all 23:29 < owl> bye Mike1. have fun 23:29 * Mike1 waves owl and SMP 23:29 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 23:31 * SMP wonders what makes owl think of someone paying for her 23:31 < SMP> is that what you need a man for? 23:31 < owl> SMP: *g* yes. why not? ;) 23:32 < SMP> then don't ever let me hear you curse men again... 23:33 < owl> hehe ;) why not? 23:33 < SMP> well OTOH - you get what you deserve 23:34 < owl> heh, don't be so unfair... 23:46 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p508138FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 23:57 * Lorini is back (gone 02:59:53) --- Log closed Sat Dec 21 00:00:44 2002