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--- Day changed Fri Dec 20 2002
00:07 < demian> cya !
00:07 < demian> :)
00:08 < owl> bye demian
00:08 < demian> i almost forgot how inet was :p
00:08 < owl> demian: huh? what happened? ;)
00:08 < demian> nothing.. im on vacation.. that's what happen :)
00:08 < demian> now from a inet coffee
00:09 < demian> and conected to my home system
00:09 < owl> hehe ;) where r u so?
00:09 < demian> via-phone :(
00:09 < demian> umm
00:09 < owl> *lol*
00:09 < demian> 50Km from home, in my old home, in the bounds of costa rica
00:09 < owl> i c.
00:10 < demian> now seems my brother was using my computer.. umm, he wil pay for that, damn it
00:10 < owl> demian: relaaaaax
00:10 < demian> hehe
00:10 < demian> yeah, sure, i will, but when i arrives home..
00:10 < demian> hehe
00:16 < owl> demian: *hrhr*
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00:31 < huebi> moin
00:31 < owl> hi huebi
00:32 < huebi> hi owl
00:32 < owl> huebi: wie geht's?
00:32 < huebi> gut
00:32 < huebi> Kopfschmeryen sind jetzt wieder weg
00:33 < owl> huebi: grippe gehabt?
00:33 < tsa> moin huebi
00:34 < tsa> huebi: wie sieht's mit dem vs aus?
00:34 < tsa> +c
00:34 < huebi> moin tsa
00:34 < huebi> tsa: Der cvs bleibt jetzt so, wie er gerade ist. Ich merge meine fixes und der naechste tag wird dann einfach 1.6.0pre2 sein
00:35 < huebi> Doch nicht so schlimm, wie ich dachte.
00:35 < huebi> owl: Noe, einfach nur Kopfschmerzen.
00:36 < tsa> huebi: fein, das klingt ja einigermassen optimistisch..
00:37 < huebi> tsa: Ich bin sogar sehr optimistisch. spaetestens am Sonntag will ich 1.6.0pre2 releasen.
00:38 < tsa> huebi: klingt gut, dann koennte man auf dem 19c3 nach verbliebenen bugs suchen und die fixen..
00:38 < tsa> pkg-remove / weihnachten
00:38 < tsa> hmpf
00:38 < tsa> kann man das nicht irgendiwe abschaffen?
00:39 < huebi> Jo, das ist auch meine idee. Besser schon vor Weihnachten..
00:39 < owl>  hm? was ist denn jetzt schraeg?
00:39 < tsa> ..ab wann wirst du auf dem congress sein? ich vermute mal, du kommst irgendwie mit ripclaw dahin..
00:40 < huebi> 2002-12-26 vor 20h00 - befor die wahnsinnigen mit dem Hacktrain kommen.
00:41 < tsa> hehe
00:41 < tsa> wann ist der da?
00:41 < huebi> 20h00
00:41 < tsa> ah..
00:42 < huebi> Wie kann ich Konsole eigendlich Farben beibringen? Vim ist so haesslich ohne Farben...
00:42 < tsa> reservier mir nen guten platz ;-) bin auch am 26. da, weiss aber noch nicht genau wie spaet..
00:42 < huebi> tsa: ACK ich bin ca 18h00 dort
00:43 < tsa> huebi: hm...haengt das nicht mit dem TERM-setting zusammen?
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00:43 < rolla_> re
00:43 < rolla_> anyone here?
00:43 < tsa> rolla: nope ,-)
00:43 < huebi> hi rolla :-)
00:43 < rolla_> have a odd question the bootdisk for 1.6.0pre1 should work right?
00:44 < tsa> huebi: TERM={linux,xterm-color} gives me colors, while TERM=vt100 doesn't
00:44 < rolla_> but it now asks for a rootdisk
00:44 < huebi> Yes, the boot-disk-1.44MB needs the root-disk-1.44MB.img
00:45 < rolla_> hmm
00:45 < huebi> dd if=root-disk-1.44MB.img of=/dev/floppy/0
00:45 < rolla_> there was no rootdisk on the cd :(
00:45 < huebi> there should be one in the floppies directory
00:46 < rolla_> nope
00:46 < huebi> rolla_: Ok, I fix it for 1.6.0pre2. 1.6.0pre1 seems to be at least a little bit broken.
00:47 < huebi> (as I expected)
00:47 < rolla_> :)
00:48 < tsa> well...it's a pre-release - it _has_ to be broken ;-)
00:48 < rolla_> yeah has anyone else done a pre1 build?
00:49 * tsa didn
00:49 < tsa> t
00:49 < huebi> the pre-pre-releases were more stable but had no working boot stuff
00:49 < tsa> i'd like to kill some glibc/binutils/glibc developers, though.
00:49 < tsa> gcc even
00:49 < huebi> rolla_: No, if I release sth it is tested before I tag the cvs
00:50 < tsa> vereything seems to be fucked up in 1.7..
00:50 < rolla_> ;)
00:50 < tsa> huebi: you're using glibc 2.3.1 and gcc 3.2.1 with pre1?
00:51 < rolla_> i have a rare copy
00:54 < huebi> tsa: no, 2.2.5 and 2.95.3. This will stay as it is till the stable release is out. Later it's needed for the x86-64 port. I can get an account on a Hammer if all goes right now.
00:56 < tsa> ah, sounds good.
00:56 < rolla_> I should be able to boot another cd and then put the 1.6.0pre1 cd in and do the install right?
00:56 < huebi> rolla_: Yes, that will work.
00:56 < rolla_> cool
00:57 < tsa> i'm having terrible problems with glibc in 1.7-dev, probably caused by binutils/gcc3 not understanding each other
00:57 < tsa> ..at least with pentium-class machines -- athlon seems to be ok
00:58 < huebi> for i in kde*/*.pz; do sed -e s/3.0.4/3.0.5/g -e s/Unknown/huebi/ <$i >$i.tmp; mv $i.tmp $i; done
00:59 < huebi> update in 1 second
00:59 < huebi> except arts
01:00 < tsa> nice
01:00 < tsa> i'm still deeply impressed that this system here works
01:00 < tsa> (this is a rock 1.4.0, with nearly averything updated)
01:01 < huebi> I really like the KDE home page. Very clean
01:01 < huebi> tsa: nice ;-(
01:01 < huebi> )
01:01 < tsa> huebi: all updates done with scripts/Build-Pkg ..
01:01 < tsa> ;)
01:02 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ pkg-list |grep '1.4.0'$|wc -l
01:02 < tsa>       9
01:02 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$
01:02 < tsa> not much from 1.4.0 left..
01:02 < huebi> 00-dirtree...
01:03 < tsa> ack
01:03 < tsa> and 8 others
01:03 < tsa> console-data 1999.08.29 1.4.0
01:03 < tsa> console-tools 0.2.3 1.4.0
01:03 < tsa> fnlib 0.5 1.4.0
01:03 < tsa> ld.so 1.9.9 1.4.0
01:03 < tsa> miscfiles 1.2 1.4.0
01:03 < tsa> rock-doc 1.4.0 1.4.0
01:03 < tsa> rock-src 1.4.0 1.4.0
01:03 < tsa> sysfiles 1.4.0 1.4.0
01:04 < tsa> fnlib...hm.. i don't remember ever needing that
01:04 * owl leaves now
01:04 < owl> gn8. bye
01:04 < huebi> cu owl
01:04 < huebi> n8
01:04 * tsa removing fnlib
01:04 < tsa> cu owlita *hug*
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01:15 < rolla_> grrr
01:15 < rolla_> it doesn't have a Install-bin file :(
01:28 < huebi> rolla_: I think it's on the root-disk
01:29 < rolla_> nevermind I am crazy
01:30 < rolla_> the install is started
01:31 < huebi> rolla_: Great
01:32 < rolla_> yeah some odd things but I think it is okay
01:33 < rolla_> and boom goes the install
01:34 < huebi> rolla_: Yes, a little bit tricky and it needs some handwork to get it installed.
01:34 < rolla_> null pointer referance
01:34 < rolla_> in kernel
01:36 < rolla_> hmm
01:37 < huebi> rolla_: where do you get this error?
01:38 < rolla_> during the install of packages
01:38 < rolla_> it maybe the kernel that was boot off of the other cd
01:39 < rolla_> I am trying another cd right now
01:39 < huebi> yes, that may be
01:39 < rolla_> very odd
01:40 < huebi> 01:39 < rolla_> very odd
01:40 < huebi> rolla_: What time is it at your place?
01:41 < rolla_> 19:00
01:41 < huebi> 7h difference ...
01:42 < rolla_> yup
01:42 < rolla_> you are GMT+1
01:43 < rolla_> I am GMT-6 ;)
01:44 < huebi> and in the summer GMT+2
01:44 * huebi fixing cheksums in kde 3.0.5
01:48 < rolla_> :P
01:54 * tsa going to sleep
01:54 < tsa> cya all
01:54 < huebi> cu tsa
01:54 < tsa> cu huebi
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01:55 < huebi> for i in `ls base-archive/*/*err | sed s/.cksum-err//` ; do mv $i.cksum.err $i; done - The big renaming...
02:05 < rolla_> okay the install is started again
02:06 < rolla_> fun it counts to 1000% and allways says 100 files
02:08 < huebi> rolla_: That is fixed now. It will be in cvs tomorrow.
02:08 < huebi> install?bin.c needed a fix for that.
02:08 < huebi> it installs but the progres meter does not work
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02:27 < rolla_> huebi: it kind of does
02:28 < huebi> rolla_: Did it finish fine?
02:28 < rolla_> almost do
02:28 < rolla_> done
02:28 < huebi> nice
02:28 < rolla_> yeah
02:29 < rolla_> funny thing is the % is the number of files and the number files showen is the % done
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02:29 * huebi is testing cdrtools-2.0pre3 - the old ones do not work with my new MSI burner
02:30 < rolla_> :)
02:31 < huebi> export TERM=linux - the solution for a colourfull Konsole in KDE. - nice :-)))))
02:32 < huebi> and a colourfull vim :-))
02:32 < rolla_> :)
02:32 < rolla_> install done now the config
02:36 < rolla_> crap it died
02:36 < huebi> rolla_: you can start the scripts in /etc/setup later again.
02:36 < rolla_> no I did that fine the boot of it died :(
02:37 < huebi> rolla_: build a new, working kernel now, I would suggest
02:37 < rolla_> it was died on loading libs
02:37 < rolla_> maybe I try again I think I screwed up at the end when I was to reboot
02:38 < huebi> yes, maybe.
02:38 < huebi> In the kernel there is no scsi, xfs and reiserfs  support
02:38 < rolla_> I took out the root disk before I rebooted
02:38 < rolla_> I know I have ide disk and ext fs
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02:44 < huebi> cdrecord compiled fine. 2.0pre3 needs to be tested now.
02:45 < rolla_rock> I am going to try a basic install this time
02:46 < huebi> rolla_rock: It should work if you select all packages.
02:48 < rolla_rock> yeah I want to save time ;)
02:48 < rolla_rock> slow box
02:48 < rolla_rock> P-pro 200
02:49 < huebi> Ok. but faster than the 11h30 on an i386, 40MHz, 8MB RAM
02:51 < rolla_rock> :)
02:51 < rolla_rock> true
02:52 < huebi> it should need 1h or so..
02:52 < rolla_rock> maybe
02:53 < huebi> I start a new testbuild now. Cu tomorrow. good night.
02:53 < rolla_rock> nacht
02:53 < huebi> danke
02:53 < rolla_rock> bitte
03:23 < rolla_rock> grr
03:24 < rolla_rock> it still does not work
03:57 < rolla_rock> my 1.7 build dies on the gcc2 build :(
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06:46 < blindcoder> moin
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06:59 < cchamilton> I can't get gettext to build, 1.7 just says found updated/new file gettext.conf and then does nothing.
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07:04 < cchamilton> Ehlo?
07:07 < cchamilton> I guess I will talk to myself in the hope someone reads this later and replys...
07:07 < cchamilton> It isn't trying to build gettext, from what I can tell gettext.conf/desc is correct
07:09 < cchamilton> Maybe gettext isn't in the default target??
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07:13 < blindcoder> re
07:13 < blindcoder> don't try this at home :)
07:16 < cchamilton> Anybody else haveing problems with gettext?
07:16 < blindcoder> hmmm... 1.7 ?
07:17 < cchamilton> Yep. It doesn't appear to be in my generic build.
07:17 < cchamilton> I just checked config/default and it isn't listed.
07:17 < blindcoder> hmm... builds without problems here
07:18 < blindcoder> not in generic build?
07:18 < blindcoder> hmm
07:18 < cchamilton> Yeah, it is weird.
07:18 < cchamilton> Where does the config source its list of packages from?
07:19 < blindcoder> from the packages.txt IIRC... just a moment
07:23 < blindcoder> hmm... I haven't got it in the list, either, but it's there (package/base/gettext)
07:24 < cchamilton> Can you see if it builds, mine downloaded it and everything.
07:24 < cchamilton> It just looks like it won't build cuz it isn't in the list.
07:24 < blindcoder> I have it on the host system, but the one finished build I have doesn't list a log file for it
07:24 < blindcoder> so it doesn't seem as if it's been built
07:25 < cchamilton> That was my problem, it causes other things (orbit-10 and a few others to fail)
07:25 < cchamilton> I'll mail clifford since he appears to be doing mail.
07:26 < blindcoder> mhm
07:26 < blindcoder> okay, I'll take a look at the problem, too
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07:49 < blindcoder> moin Lorini *winke*
07:55 < cchamilton> OK, NLS turned off removes gettext.
07:56 < blindcoder> d'ouh
07:56 < cchamilton> Breaks packages that are NLS only.
07:57 < blindcoder> hmm... okay...
07:58 < Lorini> moin jungs
07:59 < blindcoder> tach maedel
08:01 < Lorini> :)
08:05 < blindcoder> wie gehts?
08:05 < Lorini> spitze :)))))) heute is FREITAG und nachher wenn ich aus hab fahr ich zu johnny und dann haben wir 2 (in worten: ZWEI) wochen füreinander.... mir gehts fantastisch :)
08:06 < blindcoder> viel spass :)
08:07 < Lorini> danke :))
08:07 < Lorini> und wie gehts dir?
08:10 < blindcoder> naja, koennt schlimmer sein
08:13 < blindcoder> [shutdown <defunct>]
08:13 < blindcoder> HAE?
08:18 < blindcoder> brb
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08:21 < blindcoder> hmm
08:21 < blindcoder> nt good
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08:30 < blindcoder> My system can't do a software reboot anymore
08:31 < blindcoder> Broadcast message from root (pts/3) (Fri Dec 20 08:20:03 2002):
08:31 < blindcoder> The system is going down for reboot NOW!
08:31 < blindcoder> still waiting...
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08:41 < demian> hi
08:41 < demian> someone awake ?
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10:31 < fake> morgen.
10:31 < blindcoder> moin fake
10:32 < blindcoder> fake: gibts ne moeglichkeit, remote nen Reset durchzufuehren?
10:32 < blindcoder> reboot shutdown -r / init 6 laufen bei mir seit 09.20
10:33 < esden> morgen
10:33 < blindcoder> moin esdi
10:33 < hannes> hiho
10:33 < blindcoder> esden: irgend ne idee? hannes? de eine?
10:33 < hannes> hmm, um was gehts?
10:34 < blindcoder> 10:32 < blindcoder> fake: gibts ne moeglichkeit, remote nen Reset
10:34 < blindcoder>                     durchzufuehren?
10:34 < blindcoder> 10:32 < blindcoder> reboot shutdown -r / init 6 laufen bei mir seit 09.20
10:34 < esden> remote nen reset ... ? wenn du eine sun fire haettest wuesste ich wie du das machen musst ... aber so ... 
10:34 < blindcoder> [shutdown (defunct)]
10:34 < blindcoder> um genau zu sein
10:34 < esden> urgh
10:34 < hannes> esden: hehe ;)
10:34 < blindcoder> top - 10:34:41 up 12 days, 13:21,  7 users,  load average: 20.17, 19.66, 19.32
10:34 < blindcoder> Tasks: 183 total,   2 running, 164 sleeping,   0 stopped,  17 zombie
10:35 < esden> blindcoder: was hast du gemacht ?
10:35 < esden> ich wette es war dein edonkey ;-)
10:35 < blindcoder> ich tippe eher auf das edonkey-monitoring script
10:36 < esden> php oder ocaml ?
10:36 < blindcoder> weil des mit iptables laeuft und ich 16 [iptables (defunct)] habe
10:36 < esden> hmm hmm
10:37 < blindcoder> und da ein mount hing wollte ich die buechse booten.... und dat geht nicht (can't determine runlevel, doing softreboot)
10:38 < blindcoder> "You better watch out. You better not cry. 'I don't know where all my licenses lie.' Microsoft is coming to town!"
10:39 < esden> hmm ... sorry ich weiss keine hilfe auf dein problem ... ausser dein telefon an den reset knopf von deinem rechner zu befestigen ...
10:40 < blindcoder> hmm... des waere ne idee :D
10:40 < blindcoder> nee ich ruf meine Eltern an wenn se daheim sind --> Alt + Print + [SUB]
10:43 < fake> ...
10:43 < fake> no idea.
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10:50 * tcr hails all
10:52 < blindcoder> hi tcr
10:55 < fake> hi tcr
10:57 < tcr> moin
10:58 < cchamilton> Anybody around?
10:59 < tcr> yeah
10:59 < cchamilton> I was wondering why Rock couldn't do P2P source sharing.
10:59 < fake> sure
11:00 < fake> hi chris ;)
11:00 < fake> cchamilton: i suggested that a while ago
11:00 * tcr is currently adapting a couple of util-linux-2.11w patches to work for 2.11y
11:00 < fake> but the response was... err...
11:00 < fake> i can't remember, made myself forget it ;)
11:01 < cchamilton> I tried putting source on my P2P just to see if anybody was even looking.
11:01 < cchamilton> None of it was ever downloaded.
11:01 < cchamilton> I want multisource download.
11:01 < fake> i was thinking about using the edonky network..
11:01 < tcr> could a p2p sharing be maintained at all?
11:02 < fake> and add the MD4-sums they use to the desc files
11:02 < cchamilton> Maintained as well as any other source as long as you check checksums.
11:02 < fake> (MD4)
11:03 < tcr> hmm. what do you assume to be the advantages?
11:03 < cchamilton> I've never heard of edonky. Just the napsters, kazaas, dtct?.
11:04 < cchamilton> I have broadband at home and get sucky throughput these days.
11:04 < cchamilton> I think it must be bankrupt telecoms or something cuz I can still hit high throughput with multiple downloads.
11:04 < fake> go.to/mldonkey
11:05 < esden> hi cchamilton 
11:05 < cchamilton> I used to get 200kbs and now get 10 from mirrors in the US.
11:05 < cchamilton> Hi
11:06 < fake> cchamilton: set up a mirror in Australia ;)
11:06 < cchamilton> Australia sucks from Singapore.
11:06 < fake> but... germany is fine?
11:07 * fake has a better connection to vienna than to munich
11:07 < cchamilton> I have never got good connections from au, Germany is much better.
11:07 < fake> (coincidence!)
11:07 < cchamilton> Vienna was good, but I think they block us foreigners now.
11:07 < fake> they would have to block us foreigners, too..
11:08 < cchamilton> I can't connect from asia or here in the US (where I am now).
11:08 < cchamilton> Maybe only allows ripe addresses.
11:09 < cchamilton> I could probably download from a few places in the US and get good rates.
11:09 < esden> WOOOT the patch still applies !
11:09 < esden> cool
11:09 < cchamilton> But I would also like to mirror locally.
11:10 < cchamilton> Just not BE a mirror.
11:10 < cchamilton> P2P would fit that temporary status.
11:11 < fake> cchamilton: go to a university and ask them ;)
11:11 < blindcoder> esden: which one?
11:11 < esden> blindcoder: my last dietlibc patch ... that never left my harddisk ... because I always had the feeling that it is not tested enough
11:12 < cchamilton> Oh, they usually only mirror what they use.
11:12 < cchamilton> I have no converts here to speak of.
11:12 < blindcoder> esden: oh...
11:14 < cchamilton> I may get a static ADSL soon which I might try as a mirror.
11:15 < cchamilton> I just turn my computers off every now and then.
11:15 < cchamilton> Could we setup multidownload from current mirrors?
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11:19 < cchamilton> I have seen some download programs with it.
11:22 < cchamilton> Why did we pick curl?
11:23 < cchamilton> Ack, ranting to myself again.
11:25 < tcr> cchamilton: I think the question must rather be: "Why isn't there a search possibility for the mailinglist?"
11:25 < cchamilton> I though there was.
11:26 < tcr> couldn't find one whenever i would have needed it
11:28 < cchamilton> I think you can use the homepage search. Or at least it used to work (titles were all the same).
11:29 < cchamilton> Yep, it still works.
11:29 < cchamilton> Titles for mails are correct too.
11:30 < tcr> indeed
11:30 < cchamilton> Should also work on irc chats I think.
11:30 < tcr> well "Search the ROCK Linux Homepage" is a bit misleading
11:31 < cchamilton> Yeah, well that is about only the 100th misleading title/name/description in the project.
11:32 < cchamilton> I'm not anal enough to go around poking at names, etc.
11:32 < cchamilton> My wife has tried a few times, but never went ahead and complained.
11:32 < cchamilton> I think there were to many.
11:33 < tcr> not always easy to find the fully right name for non-native english speakers, i think
11:33 < cchamilton> The website is better than a year ago, but is could be MUCH better.
11:33 < cchamilton> Well that, and even though Clifford does speak English well, he doesn't pick titles in English well sometimes.
11:34 < tcr> nomen est omen ;)
11:35 < cchamilton> No sprechen...
11:35 < tcr> ?
11:36 < tcr> that's a common latin sentence... actually
11:36 < cchamilton> I don't do latin, or anything.
11:37 < tcr> :P that to know is general education, well at least here in germany
11:37 < cchamilton> I am a product of the US public school system.
11:37 < tcr> names are signs/indications/...
11:38 < cchamilton> I have about 5 years of Spanish , 1 of German and can barely speak English.
11:38 < cchamilton> Yeah, I kind of figured that omen bit.
11:39 < tcr> yeah, you beyoung the sea didn't get in the contact with latin as we did for millenniums
11:39 < cchamilton> It isn't offered as there are no teachers for it.
11:39 < tcr> beyond
11:40 < cchamilton> Heck, it is hard to find it at colleges.
11:40 < tcr> well .. i mean such sentences got involved into the germany vocabularies
11:40 < cchamilton> Yeah.
11:41 < tcr> though not known by the common people
11:41 < tcr> ..either
11:42 < cchamilton> Oh well.
11:42 < tcr> at least you know "nomen est omen" from now on and can brag with it :)
11:42 < cchamilton> Maybe, someday Rock will get a better site.
11:43 < cchamilton> No my braind doesn't work that way.  I can remember phrases and sayings.
11:43 < tcr> you should come up with this topic when 2.0 comes out
11:43 < cchamilton> I don't know when that will happen.
11:44 < cchamilton> Is the gem tags stabilized yet?
11:44 < tcr> arguing in a way like "2.0 is something like a milestone and this should bring up a completely restructured appearence (and that includes the website etc)"
11:44 < cchamilton> Yeah, I could see that.
11:45 < cchamilton> Plus, we would have something to offer people - so marketing would be important.
11:45 < tcr> clifford says he'll probably be able to get early 2.0 pre releases done at 19c3 that's very soon
11:46 < cchamilton> I am all onboard if gem doesn't change.
11:46 < cchamilton> We need unified packages between stable/development.
11:46 < tcr> how meant? if gem doesnt change itself or if it doesnt change anything?
11:46 < tcr> ACK!!!
11:47 < tcr> that probably TEH current fault
11:47 < cchamilton> I might actually start making packages again.
11:48 < cchamilton> It is the current stables flaw.
11:48 * tcr is getting sth to drink, brb
11:48 < cchamilton> It also hurt 1.4 as the packages were not kept up to date and we didn't have old source mirrors.
11:48 < cchamilton> ack
11:51 < tcr> re
11:52 < cchamilton> .
11:52 < tcr> yeah, pjotr and me will pay attention when decisions about stabilizing 2.0 come up
11:53 < cchamilton> Pjotr still wants 1.6 right?
11:54 < tcr> yup
11:54 < esden> tcr: If I understood clifford correctle then 2.0 will be forked on 19c3
11:55 < esden> or better the 2.0 stabilization tree
11:55 < cchamilton> If it doesn't happen this week, Clifford will proabably push just to beat 1.6.
11:55 < esden> and the maintainer of 2.0 will be elected
11:55 < cchamilton> Will that be 1.9?
11:56 < tcr> esden: hmm.
11:56 < esden> cchamilton: no ... i think that the current 1.7 tree will be renaimed to 2.1 and the 1.7 will then become 2.0
11:56 < cchamilton> If I knew I had the time, I would volunteer.
11:56 < esden> just like with the 1.5 tree and 1.7
11:57 < tcr> cchamilton: pjotr suggested you (when we talked privately)
11:57 < cchamilton> I used to know internal well, and I can handle CVS and releases. Just it will fall apart if I don't have time.
11:58 < cchamilton> I'll have to read the new code over for awhile and get used to it.
11:58 < cchamilton> My social skill are rusty.
11:59 < cchamilton> I think from 2.0 onward we should consider packages separate from the system.
11:59 < tcr> ;)
11:59 < tcr> true
12:00 < cchamilton> Then release known sets of packages and make them mirrored along with bleading edge.
12:00 < cchamilton> That is what sets us from Debian, yet would still give us Debian unstable stability.
12:01 < cchamilton> At most, we would force a specific gcc/glibc/binutils so that there are no problems there.
12:02 < cchamilton> It would be a simple rsync away for people to grab the development version.
12:03 < tcr> well
12:03 < cchamilton> Man do I rant easily when I don't sleep.
12:04 < tcr> in my opinion the packages should be split into two things "actually package managing" and "package maintaing", the latter should be equal for _all_ versions and should be shared among them
12:04 < cchamilton> I am not clear what you mean.
12:05 < tcr> it's a pain in the ass that currently both tree have to bother updating packages and that _seperately_
12:05 < tcr> there should be one source where all version get the necessary information from
12:06 < cchamilton> Yeah, but how do we fit in patches that don't apply to all versions?
12:06 < cchamilton> Single .desc, multiple .conf?
12:06 < tcr> single .desc and .pz
12:07 < tcr> multiple .conf are probably required
12:07 < cchamilton> .pz is 1.5 legacy.
12:07 < tcr> yeah i know, but i haven't touched 1.7 so far
12:07 < cchamilton> That would mean moving versions from .desc (where the .pz is now)
12:08 < tcr> so i dont know how it's handled there
12:08 < cchamilton> It kind of makes since to put conf and version info together.
12:09 < cchamilton> That is a major change though.
12:09 < tcr> don't ask me for real instructions how this should be performed, i just say it _must_ be performed for the next branching, because that's an issue that both share and that shouldn be done seperately (simple waste of time)
12:10 < cchamilton> Especially now that packages are tightly owned by maintainers.
12:11 < cchamilton> Hmm I'll yell at clifford about this.  He may have a solution in mind.
12:12 < tcr> he should start a discussion about the future before he decides anything
12:12 < cchamilton> At this rate, that will happen during 19c3.
12:13 < tcr> exactly to avoid this pjotr came in mind to delegate a non-german the role of the next maintainer
12:13 < cchamilton> But I'll be there this year.
12:14 < tcr> hmm :)
12:14 < cchamilton> Of course I won't be in Europe for all of next year :).
12:15 < tcr> would be better if bush goes as straight as before though
12:16 < cchamilton> ??
12:16 < tcr> nuthin actually ;)
12:17 < cchamilton> Ah, Bush is sacred in the US it appears.  We know he's stupid, but he's our kind of stupid.
12:18 < tcr> was my sentence that screwed up?
12:19 < cchamilton> yep.
12:19 < cchamilton> what bush?
12:20 < cchamilton> ooh, push.
12:20 < tcr> ;) you seems to have understood it finally
12:20 < tcr> nah i mean your pres
12:20 < cchamilton> Sorry I have been under the threat of those damn liberals ever since I have been staying with my parents.
12:21 < cchamilton> Do you know what the queers are doing to the soil?
12:21 < tcr> well just wanted to say if bush decides to attack iraq, living in europe will certainly be better for you
12:22 < cchamilton> Ah, Singapore isn't that bad even if we are surrounded by the dreaded muslim hoard.
12:25 < cchamilton> Yes, qt3 built.
12:25 < aszlig> re hi
12:26 < blindcoder> hi aszlig
12:28 < cchamilton> Hmm,
12:29 < esden> ok ... /me freezed dietlibc stuff till 19c3 ... I really have to talk to fefe
12:29 < cchamilton> I think I should go to sleep soon.
12:29 < cchamilton> How is dietlibc?
12:29 < esden> cchamilton: what time is it at your place currently ?
12:29 < cchamilton> 6:30am Friday
12:30 < esden> ok ... it is 12:30 Friday here ...
12:30 < cchamilton> I have been nursing 1.7 on a dialup.
12:31 < esden> dialup ? 
12:31 < esden> but as I understood it correctly you get a fixed line soon ?
12:31 < cchamilton> 4kb maximum. Took 3 days to get base.
12:31 < cchamilton> In Singapore.
12:31 < cchamilton> I am in Ohio now.
12:32 < cchamilton> My parents may get two-way satellite, but not while I am here.
12:32 < esden> why not while you are there ? because you would stay there ?
12:33 < cchamilton> No, they procrastinated on price.  I told them two weeks ago that they needed to decide then.
12:33 < esden> i mean with there ... your parents
12:33 < cchamilton> My father keeps bringing it up and I have to tell him it is too late.
12:34 < cchamilton> It would take some effort to setup, so I would have to help him set it up and it is too late.
12:34 < esden> that sucks
12:34 < cchamilton> Crappy windows only DVB modem.
12:34 -!- LoriAW is now known as Lorini
12:34 < esden> hi Lorini 
12:34 < Lorini> hiho alle ihr
12:36 < cchamilton> It really is messed up, we would have to use a windows proxy or windoes 2000 firewall.
12:36 < cchamilton> Talk about security issues.
12:36 < cchamilton> He doesn't know networks well enough to do it himself.
12:37 < tcr> aah.. finally ported the patches to util-linux 2.11y, now let's hope the build doesnt fail
12:37 < esden> cchamilton: hmm ... send your father to a ccne course ;-)
12:37 < tcr> cchamilton: I'm using WinRouter Pro and i'm really fine with it
12:38 < tcr> routing, masquerading, ip filtering .. no problem
12:38 < cchamilton> He's old school z80 and doesn't program anymore.  He has pretty much stopped learning on computers.
12:38 < tcr> ip packets
12:39 < cchamilton> Yeah, but how much does it cost?
12:39 < cchamilton> My father is now an end-user only.
12:40 < tcr> Well .. lol! that's actually very funny, I've tried the trial version but it hasn't complained to buy the real version since half an year
12:40 < cchamilton> Hmm. That is interesting.
12:41 < tcr> well but i fear updating as hell ;)
12:41 < cchamilton> If I could guarantee that I could remotely explain how to set it up, I would encourage them.
12:42 < tcr> hmm, the help file will actually be sufficient to tell how to enable, at least, simple masquerading
12:43 < cchamilton> I would like it, as then they would be like a slow ping T1.  I might move a server here.
12:43 < cchamilton> 1 static IP though.
12:44 < tcr> btw
12:44 < tcr> winrouter pro has got remote control ability
12:44 < tcr> though via a windows client only
12:44 < cchamilton> That would be OK. Hmm.  I'll look into it.
12:45 < tcr> ah util-linux builds fine ..
12:45 < cchamilton> The alternative is to buy a 'router' which is a small windows 2000 box presetup and costing $2000.
12:46 < cchamilton> Stupid.
12:46 < cchamilton> There is a vapor where linuux box for $995.
12:46 < cchamilton> ware linux
12:47 < aszlig> du -sh /var/log|awk '{ print $1; }' -> 8.1G
12:47 < aszlig> :)
12:48 < aszlig> ... cause /me was to lazy to fix thet logrotate prob *g*
12:50 * tcr brb (cooking)
12:50 < cchamilton> Hmm kdelibs broke with undefined qt references.
12:52 < esden> cchamilton: 1.5 || 1.7 
12:54 < cchamilton> 1.7
12:55 < cchamilton> make_driver_db_cups libkdefakes.so: undefined reference
12:55 < cchamilton> Appears that kdefakes needs qt explicitly in the gcc line.
12:56 < esden> cchamilton: hmm ... I disabled the old kde ...
12:56 < esden> becauso of this errors
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12:56 < cchamilton> You using 3.1?
12:56 < esden> it is rene stuff ... and I have enough to do besides fixing kde stuff >_<
12:56 < esden> I do not use kde at all
12:56 < cchamilton> erm
12:57 < esden> but I wanted to create a most complete iso
12:57 < cchamilton> crap
12:57 < esden> cchamilton: I use fluxbox currently ;-)
12:57 < cchamilton> I need windows to show off linux.
12:58 < esden> hmm ... it seems that my dietlibc patch really works ...
12:58 < esden> I will have to send it to clifford
12:59 < esden> cchamilton: yes ... but only when you are marketting linux to "users" and not hackers ...
12:59 < esden> and there are enough hackers that need to be converted to linux ... and even more to rock linux ;-)
13:00 < cchamilton> Well, one paradigm at a time.
13:00 < esden> huh ... what is perl5 doing on the installdisks of rock ? o_O
13:00 < cchamilton> ??
13:00 < esden> ahh ... ok ... that is because of autoconf
13:00 < esden> and automake ...
13:00 < esden> but who is developing stuff on install disks ?
13:01 < cchamilton> Crap might as well make it run webmin based install.
13:01 < esden> ROFL
13:02 < esden> RockLinux - we are so ill that we run webservers on our install system
13:02 < cchamilton> :)
13:02 < cchamilton> Instant root.
13:02 < cchamilton> It is actually quite safe, but yes it is bloated.
13:02 < esden> yes ... rocklinux install disks are knoppix killer
13:03 < cchamilton> Where are the installdisk info in the tree?
13:04 < fake> hm... yummy
13:04 < esden> target/bootdisk/*
13:04 < esden> fake: re hi ! 
13:04 < esden> have you eaten something ?
13:04 * -> esden gets hungry
13:05 < fake> esden: the buffet is ready
13:05 < fake> *g*
13:05 < fake> x-mas party ;)
13:06 < esden> in your firm ?
13:06 < fake> esden: yes.
13:06 * -> esden -> car -> fake's firm
13:06 < fake> esden: forget it *g*
13:06 < esden> *grrr*
13:07 < cchamilton> package_map??
13:07 < fake> "Living on Earth may be expensive, but it includes an annual free trip around the Sun."
13:07 < fake> *lol*
13:07 < Lorini> lol
13:07 < esden> lol
13:07 < esden> cchamilton: mom
13:07 < esden> that is not sooo easy ;-)
13:08 < cchamilton> ??
13:08 < cchamilton> ?   ?
13:08 < esden> cchamilton: target/bootdisk/config.in
13:09 < fake> cchamilton: how's jocelyn?
13:09 < esden> on lines 4 to 30
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13:09 < esden> fake: allways thinking about femails ... 
13:09 < esden> ok ...
13:09 * -> esden -> food
13:09 < cchamilton> Yeah, but there is a 'package_map' in build.sh that includes perl.
13:10 < cchamilton> fake: Joceclyn is fine.
13:10 < fake> cchamilton: my greetings to her, tell her i almost bought a VW Bus ;))
13:10 < cchamilton> OK, I don't think that would impress her.
13:11 < cchamilton> Why a bus?
13:13 < cchamilton> Hey would you vote for me if I run for election as 2.0 stablizer?
13:14 < cchamilton> Hmm, I must have mortally insulted fake.
13:15 < cchamilton> Hey maybe I can get some sgi boxes out of this.
13:18 < cchamilton> Well I think I should go do some stuff
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13:23 < fake> stop
13:24 < fake> did i hear sgi boxes?
13:24 < fake> ;)
13:25 < fake> i was just joking about that bus again - in the hope of finally gathering knowledge of what was so funny about them.
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13:28 < cchamilton> OK
13:28 < cchamilton> I think that somes it up then.
13:29 < cchamilton> Just buses are related to hippy like things I think.
13:29 < cchamilton> That and bad swedish hippy films.
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13:30 < cchamilton> Oh well, I should go...
13:30 < fake> -_-
13:30 < fake> have a nice day, merry x-mas in case we don't see each other berfore 0-day
13:31 < cchamilton> I'll try and irc more before 19c3. bye.
13:31 < fake> cchamilton: kewl
13:32 < esden> re
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13:34 < rxr> hi
13:34 < rxr> s.o. here ?
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13:39 < rxr> hi tcr
13:39 * rxr away gain ... cu all
13:40 < tcr> moin
13:40 < tcr> lol ;)
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14:09 < esden> good ... dietlibc patch ready ... 
14:10 < esden> now uClibc ...
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14:26 < tcr> hi pjotrp
14:27 < tcr> i still want to know if the cvs can be used right now or not
14:31 < rolla> re
14:31 < rolla> damn 1.7 :(
14:33 < pjotrp> don't know
14:33 < pjotrp> I am not touching it for obvious reasons
14:33 < rolla> warum?
14:34 < pjotrp> Huebi claims to be 'fixing' it
14:35 < tcr> well, fixed nasty bug in Build-Pkg which proclaims a fail for being succeced
14:35 < rolla> hmm
14:35 < rolla> I can't even get gcc2 to build on stage 1 :(
14:35 < pjotrp> Also there are a few E-mails he should answer
14:35 < pjotrp> about the roadmap and all that
14:36 < tcr> and updated util-linux to 2.11y (inclusively porting the old patches)
14:36 < pjotrp> Maybe you should just ask whether you are allowed to commit ;-)
14:36 < pjotrp> and wait for a reply - which may take till next year
14:36 < pjotrp> *sigh*
14:36 < esden> hmm ... clifford is unavalable >_<
14:36 < esden> hi pjotrp 
14:36 < pjotrp> Hi everyone :-)
14:37 < pjotrp> I am going to NL the next weeks - so will have limited input
14:37 < rolla> lucky you
14:37 < tcr> however, will take this day for free.. to meet some friends in some minutes
14:37 < tcr> for celebrating christmas with your family?
14:38 * -> esden packing the sun fire for transport to 19c3 ;-)
14:38 < pjotrp> have a good time all of you - will be interesting to see what happens at CCC
14:39 < esden> pjotrp: it will be interesting for sure
14:39 < tcr> chris said he will attent there too
14:39 < pjotrp> ROCK has never had this many supporters
14:39 < pjotrp> and 1.7 is making head way
14:40 < esden> pjotrp: we will talk a lot there ... like always when we meet
14:40 < rolla> esden how is the ultrasparc rock going?
14:40 < pjotrp> 2003 should be very very interesting
14:40 < esden> rolla: I can not say ... because I can't get the network interfaces working in the sun fire ...
14:40 < pjotrp> I will make it to CCC - one day
14:40 < esden> I hope to get help on CCC
14:40 < rolla> hmm
14:40 < rolla> esden: where did you get your hands on a sunfire ;)
14:40 * -> esden ist obviously too stupid for that
14:41 < esden> rolla: thanks to hannes 
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14:41 < rolla> wow
14:41 < esden> he borowed it to me 
14:41 < rolla> I thought I was doing well with a E3500 :)
14:41 < esden> that is only a v100
14:41 < esden> so nothing extraordinary
14:41 < rolla> specs?
14:42 < esden> urgh ... I do not have them in my head
14:42 < esden> but 1GB RAM
14:42 < rolla> how many psrs?
14:42 < esden> and a disk big enough to build rock
14:42 < esden> only one processor
14:43 < rolla> I thought a sunfire was a E15K?
14:43 < esden> hehe ... no 
14:43 < esden> the sun fire I have is the smallest server you can get from sun
14:44 < rolla> ?
14:44 < rolla> 280R?
14:45 < rolla> I see now
14:45 < rolla> the cool 1U servers
14:45 < rolla> the new netra type servers
14:45 < rolla> very cool
14:46 < rolla> esden: If you ever need a tester. I have a sun blade that needs a new OS :)
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14:47 < esden> yes sure it is cool
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14:49 < esden> rolla: i would like to help you ... but due to my time shortage and lacking "genius" I am not having a rock biuld for ultra sparc :-(
14:49 < esden> but I am doing my best
14:49 < rolla> I know that is why once you are closer I will help with what I can :)
14:50 < esden> thenk you ... all help is appreciated
14:50 < esden> and in the first place it is fast hardware ;-)
14:50 < esden> but I will now bet for the alpha
14:50 < esden> that holyolly has put on ebay
14:50 < rolla> nod that is cool alpha
14:50 < esden> but I am not sure how high I should go with the price
14:51 < rolla> but If I bring home one more alpha my wife would kill me
14:51 < esden> my parents are already killing me
14:51 < esden> my room == server room
14:51 < rolla> too many computers?
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14:51 < esden> yes too many ... but most of them are terribly slow
14:51 < esden> hi praenti 
14:51 < rolla> yeah I have part of the basement is the NOC/server room
14:52 < esden> NOC ?
14:52 < rolla> I currently have 4 alpha in my basement alpne
14:52 < rolla> Network Operations Center
14:52 < esden> ok
14:52 < esden> that is cool
14:52 < rolla> all my wireing and patch panels
14:52 < esden> we only have a flat
14:52 < rolla> wish I had more time
14:52 < rolla> nod
14:52 < esden> so no basement where I could put my machines
14:53 < rolla> that sucks
14:53 < esden> rolla: I also wish to have more time
14:53 < rolla> you still in school?
14:53 < esden> rolla: it is easy ... we need to be payed for working on rock ;-)
14:54 < esden> rolla: I am studying ... an Technische Universitaet Muenchen
14:54 < esden> s,an,at,
14:54 < fake> esden: remeber that ps2 donation thing?
14:54 < rolla> re afke
14:54 < esden> re fake 
14:54 < rolla> s/fafke/fake
14:54 < esden> fake: yes
14:54 < fake> esden: forget about it.
14:55 < fake> esden: tha whole amount has been donated in form of hardware by my boss.
14:55 < esden> fake: cool
14:55 < esden> fake: have fun ;-)
14:55 < rolla> wow
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14:59 < esden> hmm ... clifford loves flexibility and what he done in the bootdisk target is everything ... but not flexible >_<
14:59 < esden> ok ... halting natalie
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15:12 < esden> ok ... 1.7 amd thunderbird iso is finished
15:12 < esden> it run surprisingly easy and flawless
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15:37 < fake> this new "beer-mix" salitos with ginger tastes ugly
15:37 < fake> women-beer
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15:40 < owl> moin
15:42 < esden> ok ... build finished ... burned and patches uploaded on apollo
15:42 < esden> now I can shut down my main box ;-)
15:42 < esden> cu all
15:43 < owl> bye esden
15:49 < fake> owl: wann habts denn ihr schule?
15:49 < fake> eigentlich(TM)
15:51 < owl> fake: normalerweise dienstag und alle zwei wochen (in den ungeraden) donnerstags. hi btw
15:51 < owl> warum fragste?
15:52 < fake> nur so
15:53 < owl> ah so.
15:55 < sjefen> what's up with these kernel modules. my nic has always worked as a 3c59x, but not on rock..
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15:56 < Mike1> moin all
15:57 < rolla> re Mike1
15:57 < owl> hi Mike1
15:59 < sjefen> olla Mike1
16:00 < Mike1> s/olla/hola
16:00 < Mike1> :)
16:00 < sjefen> :)
16:00 < rolla> olla =~ rolla ;)
16:21 < Mike1> has anyone seen pjotrp around today?
16:23 < th> 14:41:13 -!- pjotrp [~wrk@212.56.123.65] has left #rocklinux []
16:23 < Mike1> thanks th
16:31 < sjefen> how do i activate stage 9 in the config thingie?
16:38 < fake> [*] Make rebuild stage (Stage 9) or something
16:38 < fake> in the expert section
16:40 < sjefen> can't mark it
16:40 < sjefen> that's the problem.
16:40 < fake> with space?
16:40 < th> cause you are no expert?
16:40 < sjefen> it's = =, and can't put a * in there.
16:40 < sjefen> hehe
16:40 < th> *scnr*
16:40 < fake> ah
16:40 < fake> do you build bootdisk?
16:41 < sjefen> yeah.
16:41 < sjefen> ah.
16:41 < fake> tada ;)
16:41 < sjefen> hehe
16:41 < sjefen> and what's the diffrence between generic and desktop?
16:41 < sjefen> what do you fellas use?
16:41 < th> rock-1.5
16:41 < th> ;>
16:41 < sjefen> :)
16:41 < fake> desktop is a target derived from desktop-rock
16:41 < fake> use generic for now
16:42 < sjefen> hard to burn the stuff to a cd?
16:42 < fake> desktop is not currently worked at, iirc.
16:42 < fake> ./scripts/Create-ISO -help
16:42 < fake> ;)
16:42 < sjefen> 1.7 series.
16:42 < fake> usually
16:43 < fake> ./scripts/Create-ISO bootconfig systemconfig
16:43 < sjefen> ok, just heard something about iso stuff not being implented yet'.
16:43 < fake> sjefen: booting from cd from other platforms than intel is not implemented yet.
16:43 < sjefen> ah.
16:43 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
16:43 < sjefen> then we agree :)
16:43 < fake> (sparc,sparc64,alpha,...)
16:44 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
16:44 < fake> hi blindcoder
16:44 < fake> blindcoder: GET A DVD-BURNER
16:44 < blindcoder> fake: GIVE ME THE MONEY
16:44 < blindcoder> my balance is -300 EUR
16:44 < owl> hi blindcoder
16:44 < blindcoder> hi owly!
16:44 < fake> blindcoder: i give you a ps2 for the time you need to play through FF X :P
16:45 < fake> (you burn it *g*)
16:45 < sjefen> oh, oh, how is ffX? I've heard it's bad..?
16:45 < blindcoder> fake: no thanks, I haven't even had time for FFVI or AoM
16:45 < fake> sjefen: i just got a ps2 -> no idea.
16:46 < sjefen> ah.
17:04 < rolla> FFX rocks :)
17:05 < fake> hehe *g*
17:05 < sjefen> it does?
17:05 < sjefen> rolla: is there a world map?
17:05 < rolla> I belive so
17:05 < sjefen> belive so...
17:06 < rolla> beleive co
17:06 < sjefen> i've heard there's just a linear plotline.
17:06 < rolla> It is not as free wheeling as IX or VIII
17:07 * blindcoder gone. having a bath
17:07 < rolla> but I found it to be very cool
17:07 < sjefen> ok.
17:08 < sjefen> I've got the game here, just haven't had the time to start on it yet'.
17:08 < fake> sjefen: where do you live? *g*
17:08 < fake> ist it PAL?
17:08 < sjefen> norway :)
17:10 < fake> that's PAL, isn't it?
17:10 < rolla> ja
17:10 < fake> weee!
17:10 < rolla> NTSC is USA/canada/japan?
17:10 < fake> japan is NTSC?
17:10 < fake> really?
17:11 < rolla> I think so
17:11 < rolla> I can play japanesse games on my stuff
17:11 < rolla> so yes
17:11 < fake> japan has the same DVD region code than germany *g*
17:11 < fake> very nice for anime otakus *g*
17:11 < rolla> mom
17:11 < sjefen> it's pal, yeah.
17:12 < fake> sjefen: may i drop by tonight? just havin' a look at it...
17:12 < rolla> NTSC (National Television Standards Committee) is a standard used in North America and Japan. I
17:13 < fake> okay... okay...
17:13 < sjefen> fake : where do you live? :)
17:14 < rolla> PAL is better format tho
17:14 < sjefen> PAL rocks :)
17:14 < rolla> 625 lines veruses 525
17:15 < rolla> oh well the us has to differant doesn't it ;)
17:15 < fake> sjefen: germany. bavaria. currently in munich.
17:15 < sjefen> hehe, I'll rip it and mail you :)
17:16 < rolla> FFX?
17:16 < fake> so you'll send me a raid-5 of 3 9 GB discs with FFX on them?
17:16 < fake> kewl *g*
17:16 < fake> (raid-5 is needed for Deutsche Post AG)
17:16 < sjefen> e-mail :)
17:17 < fake> icq!
17:17 < sjefen> hehe.
17:17 < fake> smb!
17:17 < fake> cifs!
17:17 < sjefen> I'll DCC it over :)
17:17 < fake> dns!
17:17 < fake> yeah
17:18 < fake> tftp.
17:18 < sjefen> I've got my hands on a svcd version of die another day now :)
17:18 < sjefen> you guys seen it=
17:18 < fake> nope
17:18 < rolla> nein
17:18 < owl> i saw it.
17:19 < sjefen> so what do you think?
17:19 < owl> sjefen: more special effects, and that was imho all what was cool... the older movies were better imho
17:20 < sjefen> owl : yeah, I think the last two were better.
17:24 < rolla> I have found where 1.5.20/1.6.0pre1 root-disk build dies :)
17:28 < owl> rolla: is sthe 1.5.20 bootable from cd, if you burn the iso created by create-cd for you? i can't boot from cd if i'm trying it with my own builds...  (layer -8 or rock-rockcreate-iso-problem)?
17:30 < rolla> owl: I never got 1.5.20 to boot from cd it allways messed up when buildin ghte root-disk
17:30 < owl> i c.
17:30 < rolla> I don't know the fix yet but I have found where in the code it screws up and I must look into it with mike
17:34 < Mike1> hi owly
17:35 < owl> hi Mike1.
17:50 < owl> *grrr* killed by books... painful death :-/
17:51 < rolla> book are you friends :)
17:52 < owl> yeah. but not if they're falling down onto your head... *complain*
17:54 < rolla> :)
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18:10 < sjefen> is there a package manager in rock somewhere?
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18:11 < blindcoder> sjefen: me has DAD, too, seen it at the cinema. nice effects, little story, predictable and with ligical errors
18:11 * blindcoder now eating
18:12 < rolla> re blindcoder
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18:43 < rolla> DON'T PANIC
18:43 < Mike1> rolla ?
18:44 < rolla> ever read hitchikers guide to the galaxay
18:59 < qubit_> hehe ;)
19:08 < owl> ./Install.bin . /mnt/disk/part1
19:08 < owl> noooo. not again!
19:09 < rolla> ?
19:10 < owl> rolla: i'm always using the wrong keyboard... and computers :-//
19:11 < rolla> ?
19:11 < rolla> I still do not understand
19:11 < owl> rolla: what's not clear?
19:11 < rolla> are you trying the install on the wrong computer
19:12 < owl> yes... and in irssi... i guess this won't work ;)
19:12 < rolla> :)
19:13 < owl> but - heh! that's a great idea... irssi-module to install rock from it... ! (j/k) or is it a badf idea? ;P
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19:51 < owl> WAH! sh** "installation of package x11/qt failed" : -(
19:52 < blindcoder> owl: you're idling
19:52 < owl> blindcoder: yeah. to lazy to speak. why?
19:52 < blindcoder> on FTP...
19:53 < owl> *grrr* my client died.. thx
19:53 < blindcoder> no problem :)
19:55 < owl> FSCK! i hate " nho space left on device"
19:55 < blindcoder> *lol*
19:56 < owl> blindcoder: eh! don't be so unfair. nothing to laugh about here...
19:56 < aszlig> re
19:56 < aszlig> what!?
19:56 < aszlig> owl: no space left!?
19:56 < aszlig> owl: where?
19:56 < owl> aszlig: on part1 of ancoras
19:56 < blindcoder> /dev/discs/disc1/part1
19:56 < blindcoder>                        75G   75G  1.2G  99% /data
19:56 < blindcoder> @owl
19:57 < aszlig> owl: oh, k ;)
19:57 < owl> blindcoder: :P
19:57 < blindcoder> /dev/root              70G   15G   55G  21% /
19:57 < blindcoder> *hehe*
19:58 < aszlig> /dev/loop0   9.7G  1.2G  8.0G  13% /home
19:58 < rolla> re
19:58 < blindcoder> /dev/loop0 ?
19:58 < aszlig> blindcoder: encrypted ;)
19:58 < blindcoder> that's no ROCK system :D
19:58 < owl> re rolla
19:58 < blindcoder> aszlig: /dev/discs/disc1/part1 is also encrypted
19:58 < aszlig> blindcoder: which algo?
19:59 < blindcoder> who knows :)
19:59 < aszlig> blindcoder: null algo :P *gg*
19:59 < blindcoder> mount -o encryption=<***> /dev/discs/disc1/part1 /data/
20:00 < aszlig> blindcoder: which kernel?
20:01 < blindcoder> blindcoder@scavenger:~$ uname -a
20:01 < blindcoder> Linux scavenger 2.4.19 #3 Sat Dec 7 19:55:02 CET 2002 i586 unknown
20:01 < aszlig> with cryptoapi?
20:01 < blindcoder> sure
20:02 < blindcoder> or have you written your own XOR-encryptor for your /home? :P
20:02 < aszlig> ey! no XOR!?
20:02 < aszlig> s/.$//
20:03 < aszlig> that's too "invertable"
20:03 < blindcoder> *lol*
20:03 < blindcoder> revertable
20:03 < aszlig> *grml*
20:04 < blindcoder> that reminds me...
20:04 < blindcoder> I should rmmod 'some' (half) of the modules...
20:10 < blindcoder> hmm
20:10 * blindcoder geht anie schaun
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20:57 * LoriAW is away: Weg.. arbeiten *g*
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21:16 * tcr hails all
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21:44 < tsa> moin.
21:45 < tcr> moin
21:46 < rolla> re tsa
21:46 < Mike1> moin tsa.
21:48 < tcr> hi rolla. hi Mike1, you are still alive?
21:50 < rolla> :p
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22:16 < owl> re
22:16 < Mike1> tcr: 1/2 a bit alive
22:16 < Mike1> Miss owl
22:17 < owl> Mister Mike1 ? ;)
22:17 < Mike1> Wie geht es Ihnen?
22:18 < owl> Mike1: gut. but stressed. and you?
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22:18 < tsa_> re
22:18 < Mike1> mir es gut auch, danke
22:18 < owl> hi tsa_
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22:50 < owl> *grrrrrr* re
22:51 < owl> what's wrong with my new installed rock?? i get a kernel panic... :-//
23:00 < tsa> what kind of panic?
23:00 < owl>  Warning: unable to open an initial console.
23:01 < owl>  Kernel panic: No init found.
23:01 < owl> lilo.conf --> root=/dev/ide/.../part1
23:01 < owl> rdev /boot/vmlinuz.1520 /dev/ide/.../part1
23:02 < tsa>  /sbin/init present?
23:02 < owl> yep
23:03 < tsa>  /etc/inittab?
23:03 < owl> yep
23:03 < tsa> hmm..
23:15 * SMP wonders if owl has not yet found /usr/bin/screen 
23:15 < owl> SMP: why?
23:16 < Mike1> SMP: of course not
23:19 < SMP> owl: because otherwise we would not notice your connection breaking
23:19 < owl> hm. k.
23:20 -!- LoriAW is now known as Lorini
23:20 < Mike1> owl: what SMP means is use scrren _please_
23:20 < Mike1> screen*
23:20 < Mike1> hi Lorini
23:20 < Lorini> hi
23:21 < owl> Mike1: i won't use it. i just use my stupid x or windows or whatever now... if i'm testing on my notebook
23:22 < Mike1> owl  owl has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: owl_!~owl@aszlig.net)))
23:22 < Mike1> is that really ur host?
23:22 < Mike1> anyways i dont have time for this
23:22 * Mike1 back to code
23:22 < owl> i was connected remote to this machine... then i changed the PCs... now i'm on my home-PC agian.
23:23 < Mike1> ok sed
23:23 < owl> (ok. one of them)
23:23 < Mike1> owl you will not cause any impression here by having more than one pc at home
23:23 < Mike1> sorry :)
23:24 < SMP> rofl
23:24 < owl> Mike1: oh, not? ;) now i'm sad ;P
23:24 < Mike1> lol
23:25 < Mike1> tell me you have sparc64 notebook and a sun blade 2000 as workstation then i will be impressed :)
23:26 < Mike1> anyways back to playing with openbsd
23:26 < owl> hehe. first i need someone who pays those stuff for me
23:27 < Mike1> ask SMP :)
23:28 < owl> *g*
23:28 < SMP> P|N>K
23:28 < SMP> (Pudding through Nose onto Keyboard)
23:28 < Mike1> ;)
23:28 < Mike1> anyways i am out of here see you all
23:29 < owl> bye Mike1. have fun
23:29 * Mike1 waves owl and SMP
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23:31 * SMP wonders what makes owl think of someone paying for her
23:31 < SMP> is that what you need a man for?
23:31 < owl> SMP: *g* yes. why not? ;)
23:32 < SMP> then don't ever let me hear you curse men again...
23:33 < owl> hehe ;) why not?
23:33 < SMP> well OTOH - you get what you deserve
23:34 < owl> heh, don't be so unfair...
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