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01:14 < owl> re and bye
01:14 < holyolli> n8 owl
02:14 < tsa> .oO( rejoin, um "n8" zu sagen ? )
02:15 < holyolli> hehe
02:15 < holyolli> so in etwa
02:25 < holyolli> n8
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02:27 < huebi> moin
02:31 < tsa> moin huebi
02:31 < huebi> hi tsa *freu*
02:32 < tsa> was macht die 1.6-bastelei?
02:32 < huebi> Betrge von Arbeit, aber es geht sehr gut vorran
02:32 < huebi> -t
02:32 < tsa> hm..klingt ja nicht schlecht...
02:33 < tsa> wie sieht das mit den ports auf andere architekturen aus, bastelt da darzeit ueberhaupt irgendwer?
02:33 < huebi> Ich hoffe, mein Testbuild laeuft jetzt bald durch, dann kann ich vielleich morgen scvhon 1.6.0pre2 releasen.
02:34 < tsa> ..nen freund von mir stellt uns fuer den 19c3 ne alpha zur verfuegung, ohne irgendwas drauf, wenn da bastel-bedarf besteht, koennte man ja mal testen..
02:34 < huebi> Ich mache sparc, sparc64. Bald auch wieder alpha und vielleicht noch ppc. ppc bekomme ich jetzt 2 Stueck
02:34 < tsa> oh, nett.
02:34 < huebi> tsa: Ja, mitbringen, bitte
02:35 < tsa> huebi: geht klar, kein problem...
02:35 * huebi writing answer to the very nice mail from tcr
02:36 < tsa> will you do package updates for 1.6.0 or just fixes?
02:37 < huebi> There may be some update for KDE, but I don't know it yet because the build did not finish.
02:38 < tsa> ah, ok..
02:39 < tsa> i have some new versions for my packages installed here for testing purposes..
02:39 < huebi> They are updating faster than I can...
02:40 < tsa> nessus, nvidia, ethereal
02:40 < tsa> hehe
02:40 < huebi> tsa: Just commit them into cvs, I merge them later.
02:40 < tsa> huebi: not now..i always test stuff for about 2-3 weeks on my system before commiting anything..
02:41 < huebi> tsa: kool, very good the way you work.
02:41 < huebi> for i in kde*/*.pz; do sed -e s/3.0.5/3.0.5a/g -e s/Unknown/huebi/ <$i >$i.tmp; mv $i.tmp $i; done
02:41 < tsa> i don't like being the maintainer for packages that don't even work at all ;-)
02:41 < huebi> I'm fast, too if I want
02:42 < tsa> hehe
02:42 < tsa> nvidia and ethereal looks good so far, didn't have the time to do some nessus testing so far..
02:43 < huebi> tsa: Did you take the maintainership of nessus? That would be great.
02:45 < tsa> huebi: i'm already the maintainer of nessus for 1.7-dev, so updating those in both trees wouldn't make too much additional work for me.. ;-)
02:45 < huebi> fabulous *g*
02:46 < tsa> ;-)
02:47 < tsa> anyway, i won't commit this before i hab the time to do some more testing..
02:47 < tsa> s/hab/had/
03:14 < huebi> So, mail ist draussen
03:14 < tsa> fein.
03:26 < huebi> ach so. Gnome1 ist jetzt eine separate Kategorie, getrennt von KDE und X11
03:30 < tsa> hm..ok
03:30 < tsa> ..solange nicht gleich jedes stueck software, das irgendwie gegen gtk linkt, zu gnome-software ernannt wird.. ;-)
03:31 < huebi> erleichtert spaeter den Wechsel zu Gnome 2.x
03:31 < tsa> jupp
03:32 < huebi> tsa: Ich schreibe eine Liste mit allen Packeten, die in Gnome sind und die, die in X11 geblieben sind an die Liste zur weiteren discusion. Erstmal den ersten Schritt, sonst wird das mir Gnome2 nie etwas.\
03:33 < huebi> Gnome 2 istr ein _muss_ fuer x86-64
03:33 < tsa> ja, vermutlich..
03:34 < huebi> und sparc64.
03:35 * SMP waer ja eher dafuer weder Gnome 1.2 noch Gnome 2 zu haben..
03:35 < SMP> (dafuer ein KDE wo das Hilfesystem nicht komplett nicht funktioniert)
03:36 < huebi> eieiei - KDE muckt auch....
03:36 < huebi> SMP: hi btw
03:38 < tsa> *nerv*
03:39 < tsa> wieso krieg ich hier andauernd cksum-errors? kuemmern die leute sich nicht mal um das einfachste zeug?
03:39 < huebi> hmm. ich fixe die in base und opt immer, bevor ich comitte
03:40 < tsa> 1.7
03:40 < huebi> for i in `ls base-archive/*/*err | sed s/.cksum-err//` ; do mv -v $i.cksum-err $i; done
03:40 < tsa> aktuell: gnome-control-center-14
03:40 < huebi> so geht's auch.
03:40 < huebi> *g*
03:41 < tsa> [M] Rene Rebe <rene@rocklinux.org>
03:41 < tsa> ARGH.
03:41 < SMP> hehe. mal zusaetzlich ne 400MB swapspace LV angelegt. mein X Server hat irgendwie nen memleak und der OOM killer mag den Opera nicht :}
03:41 < huebi> SMP: Die Loesung mit der Brechstange....
03:41 < tsa> rxr_: falls du mal wach werden solltest - fix mal deine cksums.
03:42 < SMP> huebi: der kann ruhig ein paar Hundert MB davon rausswappen - solange er sie nie mehr reinswappen muss... ;>
03:42 < SMP>  . o O ( swapon /dev/null )
03:43 < tsa> hehe
03:43 < huebi> *g*
03:43 < tsa> macht rxr_ eigentlich ueberhaupt noch was - irgendwie hoert man da gar nix mehr..
03:44 < huebi> tsa: cat rxr >/dev/female
03:44 < tsa> lol
03:44 < tsa> huebi: grep rxr /dev/female
03:44 < huebi> hehe
03:44 < tsa> rm /dev/female || rm -f rxr_
03:44 < tsa> ;)
03:45 < huebi> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ju-21.12.02-000/ <- Man, sind die schlau. Darueber habe ich dieses Jahr schon 3 Vortraege gehalten.
03:46 * SMP findet es eher gar nicht lustig dass (wieso) 1.5 Rene's Wissen verloren hat
03:47 < tsa> SMP: naja, schlimmer ist IMHO, dass er teilweise Unmengen von packages uebernommen hat, um die sich jetzt keiner kuemmert..
03:47 < huebi> Ich auch nicht, aber wohl erst beim 19C3 wieder yu aendern, wenn ueberhaupt. Genau so ist es aber auch mit Cliffords wissen.
03:54 < huebi> cu tomorrow. Nacht
03:55 < tsa> cu huebi
03:55 < SMP> bye
03:57 < tsa> ich geh auch mal pennen..
03:58 < tsa> n8
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06:09 < aszlig> rehi
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09:43 < raffi> hi
09:58 < raffi> ah, sorry
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10:46 < tcr> moin all
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11:32 < holyolli> moin
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11:32 < holyolli> hi bluefire
11:32 < bluefire> moin holyolli
11:32 < tcr> moin holyolli and bluefire
11:33 < bluefire> moin moin ;)
11:33 < holyolli> hi tcr
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12:07 < holyolli> moin owl
12:07 < owl> re
12:08 < owl> holyolli: meine anwesenheit ist vn kurzer dauer... ich penn weiter :)
12:08 < holyolli> owl: och
12:08 < holyolli> <-- is jetzt traurig
12:10 < tcr> glück gehabt ;)
12:10 < holyolli> hehe
12:12 < owl> holyolli: och, kannst einem ja direkt leid tun. :P
12:12 < holyolli> owl: ich bitte drum...
12:13 < holyolli> btw. bist du eigentlich auf dem ccc? ich brauche noch wen zum kaffeekochen
12:13 < owl> holyolli: ja bin ich. aber ich kann keinen kaffee kochen - es sei denn du willst mit vergiftungserscheinungen ins krankenhaus eingeliefert werden
12:16 < owl> holyolli: wie geht's btw?
12:16 < tcr> klar, holyolli unser kleiner masochist
12:16 < owl> tcr: du solltest nicht immer von dir auf andere schliessen
12:26 < holyolli> owl: ich bin am lernen...naja..im moment eher weniger
12:26 < holyolli> owl: aber ich sollte...aber sonst gehts mir gut, weil ich heute ins hotel mama fahre ;)
12:26 < holyolli> tcr: ich dachte eher, dass owl darauf steht andere zu quaelen...
12:27 < tcr> das ist bei der psychosomatisch bedingt ;)
12:27 < holyolli> ahso...na dann
12:38 < owl> WAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! es gibt arschloecher und es gibt meinen vater! *kotz*
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14:25 < LocalHero> Wahho
14:25 < LocalHero> Hello all
14:45 < owl> re
14:45 < owl> hi LocalHero
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14:51 < tcr> re
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15:01 < tcr> moin simon
15:01 < simon> hello
15:02 < owl> hi simon
15:06 < simon> I've a problem with the installation of the new iso image (1.6pre1 iso.rocklinux.de), the floppy boot disks don't work.
15:07 < owl> the root-disk doesn't work... that's a known problem...
15:08 < simon> hmm, and i can't boot from cd.
15:08 < simon> owl is there a workaround?
15:09 < owl> hm. i guess on the website there's a workaround written...?
15:09 < owl> https://www.rocklinux.de/projects/rock16/
15:10 < simon> I#'ll lock, thank you!
15:10 < owl> simon: do you have a running installation and do you want to install the rock-1.6-pre on another partition?
15:11 < simon> no :-(
15:11 < owl> urgs :-/
15:12 < simon> The website says I should boot a root on my local hdd... sh**
15:13 < simon> hmm, is the Install binary located?
15:13 < simon> CDROM?
15:13 < owl> pardon?
15:14 < simon> hmm.. it's on cdrom, sorry ;-)
15:14 < owl> you mean Install.bin?
15:14 < simon> yes
15:14 < simon> I'll try with a redhat boot disk.
15:14 < owl> hm.
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15:26 < tcr> re
15:27 < tcr> simon: yes, that's right to do
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16:49 < owl> hi blindcod*
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17:08 < huebi> Moin
17:28 < owl> hi huebi
17:30 < netcrow> moin leute
17:33 < fake> moin.
17:33 < fake> netti: check mail...
17:36 < owl> hi netcrow, fake
17:36 < netcrow> ok (das treibt die load wieder auf 5 hoch...*g* blöder spamfilter)
17:38 < fake> netcrow: 30!
17:39 < netcrow> 37
17:40 < fake> das ist alles andere als gut
17:40 < fake> kannst du nicht bei dir zu hause nen fetchmail machen und den spamassassin da laufen lassen?
17:41 < netcrow> jaja, mach ich normal auch...
17:41 < netcrow> brb kurz essen, dann mail lesen, noch is nix da
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17:56 < huebi> cu later
17:56 < tcr> aah
17:56 < tcr> huebi: !
18:09 < netcrow> fake: i have no mail
18:10 < fake> netcrow: i sent you a screenshot of top of your spamassassin...
18:11 < netcrow> okay, this has recieved
18:12 < fake> that's what i ment...
18:12 < netcrow> ahso
18:12 < netcrow> normally i fetch my mail directly from bingo. gmx etc...
18:12 < netcrow> ;)
18:13 < fake> netcrow: then you could remove the spamassassin from your .procmailrc, right?
18:13 < fake> would be a bit "relaxing" ;)
18:14 < snyke> hmm
18:14 < snyke> howto tanslate "fries"?
18:14 < snyke> "pommes" can hardly be the meaning of it
18:14 < netcrow> done
18:14 < snyke> You can feed on fries that float in the air above the city...
18:14 < snyke> what means "fries"?!
18:15 < tcr> fritten
18:15 < snyke> das passt doch aber ned oder?
18:15 < tcr> doch
18:15 < netcrow> hm, should i reinstall my laptop before ccc?
18:15 < snyke> fritten die in der Luft über der Stadt fliegen?!
18:16 < tcr> hm
18:16 < snyke> na gut.
18:16 < snyke> hm
18:16 < snyke> kann man Gameplay übersetzen?
18:16 < tcr> dunno maybe some kind of idiom
18:17 < tcr> unübersetzbar
18:24 < fake> snyke: spielspass?
18:24 < fake> naja...
18:28 < netcrow> snyke: use https://dict.leo.org
18:36 < snyke> I already do.
18:37 < snyke> fake: hmm
18:37 < snyke> The gameplay is mission based.
18:37 < snyke> Der Spielspass basiert auf Missionen :)
18:42 < owl> snyke: aeh? wtf do you need that stuff for?
18:43 < snyke> top secret :)
18:44 < snyke> well, happypenguin.org provides a newsletter for linux-community.de and later if the people like it we also give stuff for linux-user
18:44 < snyke> but don't tell anyone.
18:45 < owl> snyke: *lol* google is watching you
18:45 < snyke> I know.
18:46 < owl> <-- away again. cu later
19:09 < simon> is perl5.8 (in iso.rocklinux.de 1.6pre1) compiled with threads?
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19:13 < tcr> mom simon
19:14 < tcr> simon: https://cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/perl5/perl5.conf?rev=1.3&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
19:15 < tcr> simon:as  you can see yourself it's commented out. So the answer must be 'No, it isnt'
19:15 < simon> tcr thank you.
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19:24 < tcr> simon: do you want/need it?
19:25 < simon> perhaps for apache2 with mod_perl
19:26 < simon> if you want to use the threading models with mod_perl enabled, you need perl with threading..
19:26 < tcr> well, then just remove the comment in /usr/src/rock-src/base-config/perl5/perl5.conf and call ./script/Build-Pkg perl5 in /usr/src/rock-src in the running 1.6 system
19:27 < tcr> oh
19:27 < tcr> before calling Build-Pkg, you certainly have to run ./scripts/Download -package perl5
19:27 < tcr> to get the sources..
19:27 < simon> ok, thank you.. have to leave now! Bye..
19:28 < tcr> good bye
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19:53 < tsa> moin.
19:54 < tcr> moin
19:55 * tsa baut grad nen komplettes gnome-1.4 mit gcc 3.2.1 per hand neu..
19:55 < tcr> viel spaß
19:56 < tsa> dummdidumm..
19:57 < tsa> imlib..
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20:08 < tsa> re tcr
20:08 < tcr> re
20:20 < owl> *yawn* wie viele jahre braucht der gcc-3.2.1 zum bauen?
20:20 < tcr> 4
20:20 < tsa> owl: hm...40min oder so
20:20 < owl> scheint so.
20:21 < owl> tsa: 40 minuten? bitte? ich builde ca. schon 2 std... (433 mhz)
20:21 < tsa> huh?
20:21 < tsa> komisch
20:21 < owl> ja. wuerde ich auch sagen...
20:22 < owl> tsa: auf welchem PC braucht der ca. 40 minuten (mhz, mb ram...?)
20:23 < tsa> owl: p3-750, 384mb
20:24 < owl> oh mann... irgendwas mach ich echt falsch... :-/
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20:28 < LocalHero> Hi all
20:28 < tsa> hi localhero
20:28 < owl> hi LocalHero
20:28 < LocalHero> tsa, owl, whatz up?
20:29 < tsa> not much.
20:29 < tsa> just recompiling gnome-14 on my system..
20:29 < tcr> hi LocalHero
20:30 < LocalHero> tsa. nice, im almost finnished with my second 1.6.0-pre1 build
20:30 < LocalHero> Wow, it takes some time to do the build
20:30 < LocalHero> i wounder if dnetc slows the build process down
20:30 < tsa> localhero: oh, i don't use the rock tree for this....doing everything by hand..
20:30 < LocalHero> tsa. Haha :)
20:47 < tsa> ..and rock's gnome-14 stuff is outdated..
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22:13 < dennis> hoi
22:16 < tcr> moin
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23:26 < LocalHero> Hello all
23:26 < owl> hello again LocalHero
23:27 < LocalHero> Just a question. Im building rock-isos right now. Is there a major difference in build time when you are doing different optimizions?
23:27 < LocalHero> k7- takes alot of time :(
23:28 < tsa> more optimisation takes more time, basically..
23:30 < LocalHero> hmm, oki, well, it has been building for some time now, I think its finnished any time. I got a new 2ghz to play with :)
23:31 < tsa> nice
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23:31 < tsa> still working with my dual p3-750..
23:31 < martin_> hi
23:31 < tsa> sufficient for me..
23:31 < tsa> hi martin
23:31 < martin_> hi tsa
23:31 < owl> moin martin_
23:31 < LocalHero> tsa, that should be enough :)
23:31 < martin_> hi owl
23:31 < tsa> hi owl!
23:31 < tsa> *hug*
23:32 < tsa> how's you gcc-3?
23:32 < tsa> +r
23:32 < owl> tsa: compiling...
23:32 < tsa> still?
23:32 < tsa> urghs
23:32 < owl> since about 18 o'clock
23:32 < tsa> something seems to be wrong, then..
23:32 < owl> i guess it's a bit - strange... (ok)
23:33 < owl> i dunno...
23:33 < owl> 5 hours for an gcc... hm...
23:33 < tsa> slow ide disks, not enough memory or something?
23:33 < owl> simply called notebook (gericom...)
23:33 < tsa> ah..
23:33 < tsa> 5h are ok, then
23:34 < tsa> gericom.. *lol*
23:34 < owl> *cries*
23:34 < owl> heh, don't laugh... my gericom is still alive... and ok for builds :)
23:34 < tsa> let's guess...80% of the hardware in the laptop uses the same interrupt?
23:35 < tsa> gericom just sucks
23:35 < owl> *g* i really don't wanna know
23:35 < owl> yes... but asus is great imho :)
23:40 < LocalHero> Got to go, cya all :)
23:40 < owl> bye LocalHero
23:40 < martin_> hmmm, anyone here use BeOS, too?
23:42 < tsa> cu localhero
23:42 < tsa> martin: uhm...nope
23:46 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit ()
23:50 < owl> YEAH! gcc-build finished! i can't believe my eyes! *jumpingaround*
23:51 < tsa> hehe
23:52 < owl> tsa: don't laugh. i thought i will become insane by building gcc-3.2.1 ;P
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