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00:08 * tcr brb
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00:41 < zer0_o> re tcr
00:44 < tcr> re ;)
00:45 < zer0_o> darf ich dich mal was fragen?
00:47 < martin_> darf ich auch noch mal kurz stoeren?
00:47 < zer0_o> was ist der konkrete unterschied von linux zu unix? oder, warum machst du auf linux und nicht unix?
00:48 < zer0_o> stör du nur =)
00:49 < martin_> Netwerk einstellen: IP, Brodcast und Maske richtig eingestellt. Kann aber nur die Rechner im lokalen Netz pingen. Nach draussen bekomme ich immer "Network is unreachable"
00:49 < tcr> linux ist nur ein unix clone, "written from scratch" wie es im englischen so schön heißt
00:49 < martin_> Ich benutz ein Router
00:49 < tcr> martin_: hardware router?
00:49 < martin_> ein alter pc mit nem drock
00:49 < martin_> also ja ?!
00:49 < tcr> martin_: default route richtig eingestellt?
00:50 < tcr> ne, dann nein ;)
00:50 < martin_> hmm, auch mit ifconfig?
00:50 < tcr> ne, mit dem befehl `route' ;)
00:51 < tcr> was hast du denn für "clienten" in deinem lokalen netzwerk? Alles linux? Alles ROCK?
00:52 < martin_> ja, nur das gentoo linux aufn ppc gerade nicht
00:52 < martin_> aber ja, ich war zu doof die doku zu lesen
00:52 < martin_> route add -net default gw $GTWAY netmask 0.0.0.0 metric 1 ??
00:53 < tcr> /etc/setup.d/20-network
00:53 < tcr> oder editierst /etc/conf/network per hand
00:54 < martin_> nein, ich stelle es gerade auf meinem PPC ein und da laeuft heute noch kein rock. nur gentoo linux
00:54 < martin_> die gibt es momentan noch gar nicht.
00:54 < tcr> PPC rock?
00:54 < martin_> ich hoff doch bald ...
00:55 < tcr> http://www.rocklinux.de/projects/powerpc/powerpc.html
00:56 < tcr> route add default gw IP_DEINES_ROUTERS dev DEIN_INTERFACE
00:57 < martin_> supi, danke
00:58 < martin_> ja, Rene wollte sich einwenig um ne aktuellere PPC-Version kuemmern. Dazu brauvht er nur ein iBook auf dem schon entwas drauf ist ;) und dasbis morgen :8
00:59 < tcr> hmm, ich wollt mir auch noch nächstes jahr ein powerpook zulegen. Warte immernoch, dass es etwas billiger wird ;) aber da kann man wohl bei apple laaaange warten ;)
01:00 < martin_> ja leider. Aber ein iBook ist gar icht so sher teuer und auch recht schoen
01:00 * martin_ tippt zu schnell
01:02 < martin_> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-ppc-install.xml - das wird noch ein langer Abend.
01:02 < tcr> naja in ffm bekommt man ein iBook 2 SE 12" mit ner Combo 30G, mit 256 MB Ram und ner Radeon 7500 32MB für 1840,-
01:02 < tcr> hab zur zeit aber nur ~900 locker ;)
01:02 < tcr> +aber
01:03 < tcr> ups
01:03 < tcr> doch kein +aber
01:04 < martin_> http://www.mac-preise.de
01:04 < martin_> hmmm, dann musst du noch einwenig arbeiten gehen.
01:05 < tcr> hachja
01:05 < martin_> Aber ein iBook ist auch nicht das tollste
01:06 < martin_> Jedenfalls nicht fuer Linux. Eine Maustaste ist schon nerfend. Und WLAN fuer 135 Euro auch ncht billig ...
01:06 < martin_> Aber dafuer laeuft es immer und geht nicht so leicht kaputt
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01:08 < zer0_o> lo blindcod1r
01:09 < tcr> martin_: naja, ein apfel ist eben ein apfel ;) und ich find die powepooks ziemlich geil
01:09 < martin_> 'Now, it's time to start the "bootstrap" process. This process will last 1-4 hours depending on how zippy your machine is.' - ick bin mueeeeeede!!
01:10 < martin_> tcr: ja sind sie auch. Aber ein 12" iBook ist leicht und passt immer in jede Tasche
01:10 < tcr> hmm
01:10 < tcr> sind die nicht lauter?
01:11 < martin_> He he. Noe. Der Luefter brummt sehr leise und geht meist nur an, wenn man es abends mit unter die Bettdecke nimmt :)
01:12 < martin_> Er geht sehr selten an. Die Festplatte hoert man gar nicht. Meine zumindest nicht.
01:13 < tcr> hmmm
01:13 < martin_> Aber ein PowerBook sieht noch netter aus ... ich verstehe dich sehr.
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01:16 < martin_> tcr: Du bist auch aktiver ROCK Linux Entwickler?
01:16 < tcr> naja, weiß nicht
01:16 < martin_> ;)  wie das?
01:17 < tcr> ich kümmer mich mit um 1.6 seit ner woche oder so
01:18 < martin_> Dann machst du ja viel mehr als ich. Ich bin nur so ein dRock-user.
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01:18 < voran> hi
01:18 < tcr> hi voran
01:19 < martin_> Aber dRock-Linux ist immerhin die erste Distribution die ich noch nicht kaputt bekommen habe.
01:19 < martin_> hi voran
01:19 -!- voran is now known as demian
01:19 < tcr> ah, even hi demian :)
01:19 < demian> how can i make in.rlogind work in inetd.conf ?
01:19 < demian> :)
01:20 < tcr> why thell do you intend to use the r-tools at all?
01:20 < demian> already built netkit-rshd, but i need to add it to services file and inetd.conf
01:21 < demian> not for me, for some Uni students which need to execute free commands in experimental machines
01:21 < tcr> you shouldn't use them anyway. What's wrong with ssh?
01:21 < demian> hey hey, i am conscient, but isnt my fault :), i just need them running for them
01:21 < demian> i dunt cre about them later :p
01:23 < demian> rock's services file doesnt have a line for such services
01:23 < demian> s/cre/care
01:24 < demian> j #linpeople
01:24 < demian> sorry for that
01:25 < tcr> login stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/sbin/tcpd in.rlogind
01:25 < demian> does this also run in.rshd ?
01:26 < tcr> nope
01:26 < tcr> shell stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/sbin/tcpd in.rshd
01:27 < demian> thanx
01:27 < demian> but.. i still need entries for them in services file
01:28 < tcr> huh?
01:29 < demian> /etc/services
01:29 < tcr> they should actually be there already
01:29 < demian> does rsh and that uses specific ports ?
01:29 < tcr> as they are delivered with the default services file
01:29 < demian> not here.. dunno why :(
01:29 < tcr> login        513/tcp
01:29 < tcr> shell        514/tcp
01:29 < demian> there is klogin, for kerberos only
01:30 < demian> cool, thanx a lot :), u again helping me :)
01:30 < demian> cya, have nice days this week
01:30 < tcr> lol
01:30 < tcr> have phun ;) bye
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01:38 < zer0_o> i have a bios that supports only 256 mb ram per slot... is there a posibility to say linux ( if there are 512 mb on the chip ) there are more than 256 mb available ?
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03:08 < martin_> gn8
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03:27 < zer0_o> to answer my question above =) no there isn't , but if the linux doesn't support so much, and the mainboard distributor doesn't have a good bios available, then you can flash your rom with linuxbios ^^ nice thing, i think i'll try it soon
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04:51 < huebi> Moin
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05:54 < tsa> moin.
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06:47 < martin__> re
09:31 < aszlig> rehi
09:32 < aszlig> hehe, almost all people died in here ;>
09:32 < aszlig> 'cause they are on 19c3 ;P
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09:48 < martin__> bye bye .. go to 19C3 ... away
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09:48 * Ge0rG is already there ;)
10:37 < esden_> hi all
10:37 -!- You're now known as esden
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10:37 < esden> greets from 19c3
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11:19 < tsa> moin.
11:56 < esden> hi tsa 
12:00 < tsa> huhu esden!!
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13:00 < aszlig> 'lo tsa
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13:18 < tcr> moin all
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16:12 < th> re
16:16 < owl> hi
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16:20 < Mike1> moin all
16:20 < Mike1> ping owl
16:21 < th> hi owl, hi Mike1
16:21 < Mike1> master th :)
16:37 < tsa> re
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17:20 < esden> re
17:25 < Mike1> hi esdy
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18:05 < fake> buha.
18:07 < Mike1> buha?
18:08 < esden> spin
18:08 < esden> hi mike *hug*
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18:34 < dennis_> hi
18:35 < apan> hello
18:36 < tcr> moin dennis
18:36 < dennis_> hoi
18:36 < tsa> tag dennis_
18:36 < tsa> als root zu ircen ist eine recht schlechte idee.
18:37 < dennis_> upps
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18:37 < aszlig> *lol*
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18:39 < dennis_> re
18:39 < snyke> hi root-irc
18:39 < snyke> *merk* :)
18:39 < tsa> hehe
18:39 < dennis_> hrhr
18:39 < tcr> hej apan. legät?
18:39 < tsa> [x] bitte kippen sie zur strafe den apfelsaft ueber die tastatur
18:40 < snyke> mit Ketchup?
18:40 * tcr brb
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18:40 < tsa> snyke: soll mir egal sein..wir koennten ihn auch mit bockwurst bewerfen..
18:40 < tsa> ;-)
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18:50 < apan> hej tcr
18:51 < snyke> tsa: lol
18:51 < tcr> hmm /me's wondering what Terry actually wants to say in his most recent eMail.
18:55 < tsa> i have no idea..
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20:07 < Mike1> hi apan
20:07 < apan>  hi mike
20:16 < apan> is anyone here running dettuxx ?
20:17 < tcr> hm, nope. what's that at all?
20:18 < apan> http://dettuxx.ghettot.org/
20:21 < tsa> apan: uhm..nope..why are you asking?
20:23 < apan> just wondering
20:23 < apan> if i'm alone
20:23 < tcr> hmm. well, i can't see anything special on it
20:24 < apan> well, no
20:24 < tsa> tcr: oh, it is special - unusable by default, with most stuff broken
20:24 < apan> are you going to ccc ?
20:24 < tsa> we're there..
20:24 < apan> oh
20:24 < apan> nice ?
20:24 < tsa> sure.
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21:15 * Mike1 greets the nordish lands
21:20 < Mike1> whois paperclip
21:20 < Mike1> oops
21:44 < KeM> *yawn*
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22:25 < demian> hi!
22:25 < Mike1> merry xmast d3bian :)
22:25 < demian> i had a brief question...
22:25 < demian> Mike1!
22:25 < demian> i though u were lost :p
22:25 < demian> thanx, u2
22:25 < Mike1> nah i am still very alive
22:25 < demian> and new year btw
22:26 < demian> u never answered my mail, so i though that
22:26 < Mike1> mail?
22:26 < demian> sed 's,/[^/]*$,\1,'
22:26 < Mike1> what mail?
22:26 < demian> what does that do ?
22:27 < demian> 2 Dec  6 Miguel A. Bolanos                    (967) Proyecto
22:27 < Mike1> mm....
22:27 < Mike1> i thought i had replyed to you
22:27 < demian> echo "usr/share/xmms/foo" | sed 's,/[^/]*$,\1,'
22:27 < demian> this remove basename of input
22:28 < demian> Mike1: not arrived nth
22:28 < demian> but, how this sed line does ?
22:28 < demian> what is *$ and \1 ?
22:28 < Mike1> demian i am not exaclty into sed
22:28 < Mike1> sorry
22:30 < tcr> demian: that even doesnt work here
22:31 < demian> tcr: the output should be: usr/share/xmms
22:31 < demian> sample:
22:32 < tcr> where is this used?
22:32 < tcr> it's completely nonsense to use sed for this puprose
22:32 < demian>  [ scar ] ~ > echo "usr/share/info/screen.info-3" | sed 's,/[^/]*$,\1,'
22:32 < demian> usr/share/info
22:32 < demian>  [ scar ] ~ >
22:32 < demian> tcr: sure, pkg-remove
22:32 < demian> it is used in rmdir -p
22:33 < demian> as ROCK's flist doesnt directories in its flists
22:33 < tcr> what version?
22:33 < demian> *doesnt log*
22:34 < demian> ROCK's flist only culd contain empty dirs and created files
22:34 < demian> so, u use rmdir -p with that sed cmd to delete its base directories if they are empty
22:34 < demian> umm. cvs sources
22:35 < demian> Aug  2 11:24 /rock/opt/rock/rock-1.5/scripts/Build-Pkg
22:35 < tcr> http://cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/misc/sysfiles/usr/sbin/pkg-remove?rev=1.1.38.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
22:35 < tcr> are you talking about this version?
22:35 < tcr> recently i rewrote the pkg-tools from scratch
22:35 < demian> cool
22:35 < demian> ill have to update me then
22:36 < demian> but.. so.. how did u solve that in pkg-remove ?
22:36 < Mike1> demian yes update ur ass
22:36 < tcr> what's up to Build-Pkg?
22:36 < demian> see:
22:37 < demian> if find bin boot etc lib sbin usr var opt \
22:37 < demian> \( -not -type d -or -type d -empty \) \
22:37 < demian> -and \( -newer $base/src/temp.time_stamp -or \
22:37 < demian> -cnewer $base/src/temp.time_stamp \) -printf "%p\n"
22:37 < demian> egrep -v "^($flistdel)\$" >> $base/src/temp.lst
22:37 < demian> 
22:37 < demian> 
22:37 < Mike1> ggrrr
22:37 < demian> this will generate a flist like this one for sample:
22:38 < tcr> wait up
22:38 < demian> screen: usr/bin/screen
22:38 * Mike1 starting to feel flood comming over the chan ...
22:38 < demian> screen: usr/bin/screen-3.9.12
22:38 < demian> screen: usr/share/info/screen.info
22:38 < demian> screen: usr/share/info/screen.info-1
22:38 < demian> screen: usr/share/info/screen.info-2
22:38 < demian> 
22:38 < tcr> plz fetch the most recent version from the cvs
22:38 < tcr> then say me the line number you are talking about
22:39 < demian> :s
22:39 < tcr> and then we'll do further steps, is that ok?
22:39 < demian> ok
22:39 < tcr> besides i'm currently watching tv ;) and so i'm just spending one of my brain sides to you ;)
22:40 * Mike1 thanks tcr for stopping saving the chan from been flooded
22:40 < Mike1> *g
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22:43 < Mike1> 0_o
22:43 < Mike1> :)
22:43 < zer0_o> o_0
22:43 < Mike1> greetings zer0_o
22:44 < zer0_o> too mike1
22:44 < zer0_o> how are you ?
22:44 < zer0_o> hm i didn't set up rock, but idling here is fun ^^
22:44 < Mike1> lol
22:45 < Mike1> i am good thanks zer0_o
22:45 < Mike1> so what stopped you from stting up rock?
22:45 < zer0_o> freebsd ^^
22:45 < zer0_o> but #freebsd is such an unpersonal channel
22:45 * Mike1 goes for openbsd rather than freebsd
22:47 < zer0_o> yeah.. i understand
22:47 < zer0_o> but i'm a unix/linux n00b, so i think, fbsd is a good beginning
22:47 < Mike1> yeah it is
22:48 < Mike1> netbsd is also fun
22:48 < zer0_o> at the moment i stuck in the handbook =) great documentation
22:48 < zer0_o> i love it ^^
22:49 < zer0_o> yeah, =) in school we booted with netbsd on a bootable cdrom
22:49 < Mike1> zer0_o: yeah we are aware of the Documentation issue on rock
22:49 < Mike1> it is something we will work around in the future
22:50 < demian> fantastic !!!!
22:50 < demian> rmdir -p "$(dirname "$file")"
22:50 < zer0_o> that's a great idea =) i never knew that a documentation can be so good and easy to understand ..
22:50 < demian> didnt know 'dirname' exists :p
22:50 < Mike1> demian: now you know :)
22:50 < demian> sorry tcr , problem solved, i wont use sed anymore :)
22:50 * demian excited
22:51 < tcr> demian: rmdir -p "${file%/*}" also works, and does produces one process less (which is important if you run that in a large loop)
22:53 < demian> tcr: yeah, i know, i was having troubles doing sth like that , also tried a large awk cmd inside a loop to do what 'dirname' does :(
22:54 < zer0_o> Mike1, where is this doc to find?
22:54 < Mike1> zer0_o: i will let you know when docs are improved
22:54 < demian> other dude!
22:54 < demian> \( -not -type d -or -type d -empty \) \
22:54 < demian> here
22:55 < zer0_o> ah, its in work
22:55 < demian> ah no, nothing, forget it :p
22:55 < demian> cya
22:55 < demian> have a nice new year
22:57 < zer0_o> Mike1, are the ports in freebsd also used in other os's like linux/unix' ?
22:58 < Mike1> yeah
23:00 < zer0_o> do you think, rock will have the ports available too?
23:01 < demian> funny, sometimes i think tcr is my answering machine :p when i come here
23:01 < demian> hehe
23:01 < demian> bye
23:01 < zer0_o> bye demian
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23:04 < zer0_o> i'm sitting on a lanparty
23:05 < Mike1> zer0_o: yeah we will work on ports
23:07 < tcr> uh demian has gone ???? i thought there was a question about Build-Pkg
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