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00:10 < th> re
00:23 < tsa> re th
00:24 < tsa> immer noch im hackcenter?
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00:28 < sjefen> hello
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02:07 < huebi> Moin
02:09 < tsa> hi huebi
02:09 < tsa> wie schauts aus in berlin?
02:10 < huebi> tsa: hi
02:10 < huebi> tsa: SO LANGSAM WIRD LEER... Caps Lock geht auch noch.
02:10 < tsa> hehe
02:23 < th> huebi: hi
02:23 < th> huebi: wagst du dich auch endlich mal ins irc?
02:24 < th> huebi: hey, ich kann dein /rock-orig immernoch mounten ;)
02:24 < th> cd ..
02:24 < th> oups
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02:26 < format_c> hello
02:26 < format_c> i am considering installing rock on my hdd and i was wondering what advantages does rock have compared to other source based linux distros like sorcerer or gentoo ?
02:27 < th> i see
02:29 < format_c> hello >
02:29 < th> hello format_c
02:30 < format_c> i am considering installing rock on my hdd and i was wondering what advantages does rock have compared to other source based linux distros like sorcerer or gentoo ?
02:30 < th> i see, you said that already
02:30 < format_c> yeah like no one answered ;)
02:30 < th> you did not ask a question
02:31 < th> you just said that you are wondering and appended a question mark
02:31 < format_c> th: what are the advantages of rock compared to other source based distros like gentoo or sorcerer ?
02:31 < th> it's cooler.
02:32 < th> i don't know sorcerer at all.
02:32 < format_c> th: what does 'cooler' mean ?
02:32 < th> can't tell you cause i won't compare rock too gentoo and don't know sorcerer.
02:32 < format_c> ok then tell me some of rock's featureS ?
02:33 < th> i wont compare because i don't know gentoo enough to be able to give a fair comparison
02:33 < th> it is very pure
02:33 < format_c> man you are being cryptic
02:33 < th> so there is no rc.config
02:33 < format_c> pure ??
02:33 < th> you are doing your changes where they belong
02:33 < format_c> okay like this
02:34 < th> if you change a nameserver you wont edit rc.config but /etc/resolv.conf
02:34 < format_c> does it download diff ?
02:34 < th> "download diff"?
02:34 < th> i don't know what you mean by downloading "diff"
02:34 < format_c> diff instead of the whole source
02:34 < th> which source?
02:34 < th> souce of packages?
02:34 < format_c> okay say now
02:35 < format_c> a package kde-3.0.2 has been upgraded to kde-3.0.3
02:35 < th> ahh
02:35 < th> i see
02:35 < th> no it doesn't
02:35 < format_c> does it have to download the whole source or just the diff
02:35 < format_c> ?
02:35 < th> do you know of any distri that does?
02:35 < th> it'll download the whole source
02:35 < format_c> th: sorcerer has something called xdelta
02:35 < format_c> just the diff
02:35 < th> maintenance effort would be too high
02:35 < th> oh now.
02:35 < th> xdelta is to compare binaries
02:36 < format_c> sorry
02:36 < format_c> i am newbie
02:36 < th> not sources
02:36 < format_c> but from what i gather i just downs my download time
02:36 < format_c> nvm bout that
02:36 < format_c> ummmm ...
02:36 < format_c> is rock running gcc-3.2.1 now ?
02:37 < th> i don't know what rock-1.7 is doing (i really think they are running gcc-3.2.1 or later) but 1.5 does not
02:37 < format_c> how can i get an iso of rock-1.7 ?
02:38 < th> build it from source.
02:39 < format_c> does this build script build the iso or the whole system ?
02:39 < th> which build script are you talking about?
02:40 < format_c> http://www2.rocklinux.org/snapshots/
02:40 < th> but by "building a iso from source" i mean building each package from source and creating an iso
02:40 < format_c> how is that done ?
02:41 < th> i don't know this for 1.7
02:41 < th> i'm a stabelizer guy for 1.5-dev-tree which is currently at 1.6.0pre3 and has iso's published very soon
02:42 < th> with very soon being at most 30 hours i think
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03:30 < huebi> th: Ping
03:30 < th> huebi: ack
03:30 < huebi> th: SMP hat wohl deine OpenBSD Poster mitgenommen...
03:30 < th> huebi: der schelm.
03:31 < huebi> *g*
03:31 < th> huebi: ich hatte ja keins. nur hergo (mensch mit libretto) wollte ja das eine
03:32 < huebi> th: weisst du, wie man SunOS 5.6 mit dem telnet exploit exploitet?
03:32 < th> noe wuerde hoechstens noch den vom irix finden
03:32 < th> evtl.
03:41 < th> huebi: was macht der iso upload?
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04:01 < fake> aaaargh
04:01 < fake> they are unplugging usin the next few minutes...
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12:36 < martin_> hi
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12:51 < blindcoder> hi
12:52 < blindcoder> 12:52 2002-12-30:   --- current status ---
12:52 < blindcoder> Build-Job (daemon mode)       running on 192.168.10.10 with PID 35
12:52 < blindcoder> Build-Job (daemon mode)       running on 192.168.10.11 with PID 61
12:52 < blindcoder> Build-Job (daemon mode)       running on 192.168.10.12 with PID 34
12:52 < blindcoder> Job 0-glibc                   192.168.10.13 (34) since 12:38 2000-12-26
12:52 < blindcoder> 12:52 2002-12-30:   ----------------------
12:52 < blindcoder> glibc building for 24 hours now and still working
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14:28 < rolla> re all
14:29 < tcr> hi rolla
14:29 < rolla> wow work again ;)
14:29 < tcr> hm?
14:31 < rolla> I have been on holliday for a week :)
14:31 < tcr> ah
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14:57 < th> moin
14:59 < rolla> hallo th
15:03 < th> hi rolla
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15:52 < Mike1> moin
15:53 < rolla> re Mike1
15:54 < Mike1> Joel!
15:54 < Mike1> nice to see you my friend
15:54 < rolla> I am back from holliday :)
15:55 < Mike1> merry xmast
15:55 < Mike1> hope hollidays were fine
15:56 < rolla> :)
15:56 < rolla> they were
15:58 < Mike1> good
16:13 < [anders]> merry xmas belatedly everyone and happy new year in advance. :)
16:27 < Mike1> master [anders] same to you
17:02 < rolla> sure is quiet in here
17:04 < Mike1> everyone drunk?
17:05 < Mike1> *g
17:16 < rolla> :)
17:16 * rolla goes back to learning css
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18:07 < owl> moin
18:07 < rolla> re owl
18:07 * rolla hugs owl
18:07 < owl> hi rolla
18:07 < rolla> merry christmas
18:07 < owl> rolla: thx. to you too.
18:09 < Mike1> hi sed
18:09 < owl> hi Mike1
18:28 * Mike1 stares deeply into owls eyes
18:29 < owl> huch?
18:36 < Mike1> %)
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18:38 < owl_> *grmpf*
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18:40 < Mike1> wb owl
18:40 * Mike1 stares deeply into owls eyes (again)
18:55 < owl> <-- bed. now. gn8
18:55 < owl> bbl
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19:49 < owl> re
19:51 < Mike1> owly already sleep?
19:52 < owl> hm. tried hard to sleep. but... as robert mentioned on sunday morning: "if you hard try to sleep, you surely can't sleep" *hrhr*
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20:14 < tcr> hi Mike1 and owl
20:14 < tcr> and hi zer0_o
20:14 < Mike1> 0_o
20:15 < Mike1> hi tcr
20:15 < owl> hi zer0_o, tcr
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21:14 < th> re
21:14 < th> hi owl
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21:15 < owl> moin th
21:16 < tcr> hi th. anything new from your side?
21:22 < th> tcr: well. no. we did  release pre3 but still no pre4
21:22 < th> tcr: and pre3 still uses old Build-scripts
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21:36 < zer0_o> hi owl honey
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22:34 < ak|ra> heya
22:34 < ak|ra> new day, new problems
22:34 < ak|ra> :)
22:35 < ak|ra> got a new hdd (in fact now hda) and copied (-a) everything from my old disks to this new and fat one
22:35 < ak|ra> installed grub correctly
22:36 < ak|ra> rebooted and it works .. grub works ...
22:36 < ak|ra> choosed the kernel in /boot -> in fact   kernel (hd0,0)/kernel root=/dev/hda2 vga=ext
22:36 < tcr> moin
22:36 < ak|ra> and booted the system ...
22:36 < ak|ra> hallo tcr
22:37 < tcr> and does it work?
22:37 < ak|ra> kernel boots ... till he stops with kernel panic
22:37 < Mike1> ak|ra: chroot on it and edit /etc/fstab
22:38 < ak|ra> "couldnt open .. /inittab i guess)
22:38 < ak|ra> /etc/fstab seems to be ok, but i will check this again
22:38 < ak|ra> Mike1: besides, the big other disk works in the asus board now
22:38 < Mike1> ok
22:38 < ak|ra> if you remember the append / boottime problem ...
22:39 < Mike1> yes i remember
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22:39 < tsa> moin.
22:39 < Mike1> hi tsa
22:39 < tsa> hi Mike1
22:39 < ak|ra> the damn kernel wanted to have explicit chs parameters for hdc
22:40 < ak|ra> so, back to the current problem
22:41 < ak|ra> the fstab is fine
22:41 < ak|ra> adjustit before installing grub either
22:41 < ak|ra> -> /dev/hda2
22:41 < ak|ra> type ext3
22:41 < ak|ra> noatime 0 0
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22:41 < ak|ra> hda1 -> boot
22:41 < neddiemaster> hello all
22:42 < neddiemaster> hi tcr
22:42 < ak|ra> hda6 -> /usr
22:42 < ak|ra> ok, one thing i havent copied ... /dev
22:43 < ak|ra> its absolutly empty coz i use devfs
22:43 < tcr> what you actually doesnt need
22:43 < tcr> hi neddiemaster
22:43 < ak|ra> tcr: thats what i thought too
22:43 < neddiemaster> sup tcr
22:44 < ak|ra> so, what other things could be wrong?
22:44 < ak|ra> the kernel is the same that works before
22:46 < neddiemaster> i like this channel because it has low-shit content, and that is to be considered a MAJOR compliment ,,,
22:46 < neddiemaster> it is good for my cholesterol.
22:49 < ak|ra> so, perhaps could shortly explain me the way linux boots .. just to be sure i didnt forget something
22:49 * ak|ra s brain is like a swiss cheese :)
22:50 < tcr> re
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22:50 < ak|ra> 1. kernel boots
22:50 < tcr> ak|ra: did it complain about missing /sbin/init or missing /etc/inittab ?
22:50 < ak|ra> init i think
22:51 < ak|ra> 2. it mounts ro the root-partition and starts /sbin/init
22:51 < ak|ra> right?
22:52 < tcr> did you pass the right root device to the kernel?
22:52 < ak|ra> i think so
22:52 < ak|ra> lets take a look into the menu.lst
22:54 < tcr> you know this has to be done in some special way when using devfs?
22:55 < tcr> for instance i have append="root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1" in my lilo.conf
22:56 < ak|ra> right
22:57 < tcr> right == you are aware of it?
22:57 < ak|ra> but only if you dont have mknewcompat on or so
22:57 < tcr> nah. that's bullshit
22:58 < ak|ra> or am i wrong .. i mean .. this /dev/ide etc was the next thing i had tried
22:58 < tcr> mkoldcompat is an offering by devfsd a userspace process
22:58 < tcr> again: you are aware of this, and the problem does _not_ lay here?
22:58 < ak|ra> tcr: the things worked until now without /dev/ide etc .. but i will give it a try .. as i said, this would be the next thing what came in my mind
23:01 < ak|ra> so, ok, lets try it :)
23:01 < ak|ra> bye for some minutes
23:02 < ak|ra> if it works i am thinking about kissing you to death :))
23:02 < ak|ra> hehe
23:02 < ak|ra> ok, off for some minutes
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23:08 < snyke> esden!?
23:09 < zer0_o> kann owl jemand tolles neues jahr wŁnschen von mir ?
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23:09 < ak|ra> back
23:09 < ak|ra> doesnt work
23:09 < ak|ra> correct error mesage is: unable to open an initial console
23:10 < tcr> what have you done?
23:11 < tsa> wrong root partition?
23:11 < tsa> kernel without support for virtual terminals?
23:11 < tsa> no /dev/vc/X ?
23:12 < tsa> x in 1..
23:12 < snyke> zer0_o: memoserv is "dein freund" :)
23:12 < Mike1> owl liebes 0_o ?
23:12 < tsa> Mike1: hm?
23:12 < Mike1> owl liebes zer0_o ?
23:12 < th> ak|ra: sounds like missing virtual console support in kernel
23:12 < ak|ra> the kernel should be my old 2.4.20 with devfs at boottime, ext3 compiled in, virtual consoles on etc
23:12 < Mike1> tsa: solo tengo ganas de molestar :)
23:13 < ak|ra> th: maybe .. i will check this again
23:13 < tsa> Mike1: ah, ya comprendo
23:13 < ak|ra> ak|ra: weisst doch wie das so is mit mir ...
23:13 < ak|ra> th: weisst doch wie das so is mit mir ...
23:13 < ak|ra> man
23:13 < ak|ra> geht schon los
23:13 < ak|ra> :)
23:13 < tsa> LANG=en, please.
23:14 < th> ack
23:14 < ak|ra> tsa: of coz, but that was something about myself to th ...
23:14 < th> ,oO(BOF)
23:14 < ak|ra> :)
23:15 < tsa> th: ack - whatever BOF's supposed to mean..
23:15 < tsa> i knew this acronym..long ago
23:16 < tcr> Birds Of a Feather
23:16 < th> in fact i don't know it either
23:16 < tsa> hehe
23:16 < th> but it was the meeting's name
23:16 < th> Beginning Of File
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23:16 < th> Bug or Feature
23:16 < ak|ra> ok, i build the kernel now... perhaps it was just a forgotten kernel from somewhere .. (but i dont really believe in this) .. but i will give it a try
23:17 < ak|ra> th: :)
23:17 < tcr> no, it's Birds Of a Feather... read that once in relation with USENIX
23:17 < ak|ra> its always the bug :)
23:17 < zer0_o> kann owl jemand tolles neues jahr wŁnschen von mir ?
23:17 < tsa> rocklinux is not a massging service..
23:17 < tsa> messaging even
23:17 < th> massaging ;)
23:17 < ak|ra> tsa: not _yet_
23:18 < ak|ra> th: exactly
23:18 < tcr> zer0_o: /msg memoserv help
23:18 < zer0_o> tcr thx
23:19 < tcr> http://www.mavav.org/ <- ROFLMAO
23:23 < zer0_o> OMG !!!!!
23:27 < ak|ra> tcr: never forget to put devfs to "mount at boottime" ...
23:27 * ak|ra looks for his stone ...
23:27 < Mike1> ak|ra: you lost ur stone?
23:27 < Mike1> lol
23:27 < ak|ra> Mike1: nope, the stone is for stoning me to stone
23:27 < ak|ra> stone?
23:27 < ak|ra> :)
23:28 < Mike1> *g
23:28 < ak|ra> bis gleich later dann
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23:35 < ak|ra> everything is fine
23:35 < tsa> what did you change, then?
23:36 < ak|ra> now i will use my stone and hand it to who ever wants me to stone me to stone :)
23:36 < ak|ra> root=... devfs=mount
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