--- Log opened Sat Jan 04 00:00:07 2003
--- Day changed Sat Jan 04 2003
00:00 < Be-El> what#s the best way to submit the patches to the mailing list ?
00:01 < tsa> make patch, write mail, attach patch, send.
00:01 < tsa> ;)
00:01 < tsa> re, btw.
00:01 < Be-El> hi tsa ;-)
00:01 < tsa> hm...wie weit bist du inzwischen?
00:02 < Be-El> tsa: hab den tree wieder weggeworfen und baue neu
00:02 < tsa> hehe
00:02 < Be-El> das uebliche python-problem....
00:02 < Be-El> anscheinend beissen sich die installierte und zu bauende version
00:03 < tsa> hm.. _sre ?
00:03 < Be-El> und dummerweise habe ich von python ca. 0.0 ahnung
00:03 < Be-El> jupp
00:03 < tsa> ja, hatte ich auch schon irgendwann...
00:03 < kasc> von Hand baut python übrigens wie aus der Tüte...
00:03 < tsa> bisher kein fix
00:03 < Be-El> aber nur bei stages > 5 oder wenn man es mehrfach baut
00:03 * tsa haengt ja immer noch am glibc fest..
00:03 < Be-El> tsa: du hast ja auch den falschen prozessor [tm]
00:03 < tsa> hehe
00:04 < Be-El> and maybe we should stop speaking german...;-)
00:04 < tsa> ;)
00:05 < esden> ha ra is now online!!!
00:05 < Be-El> *hmpf*...ok, what's the best way to get rid of the enlightening crap ? ;-)
00:05 < tsa> kill rene? ;)
00:05 < esden> re tsa 
00:05 < Be-El> tsa: are you cleaning up the channel afterwards ?
00:06 < Be-El> configure: error: conditional "am__fastdepCXX" was never defined.
00:06 < tsa> Be-El: nope :P
00:07 < Be-El> *sigh* and no common category for it....
00:07 < esden> hmm hmm ... the blinkenlights stuff looks good ... and arcade looks even better ... 
00:08 < esden> I am very interested where will be the next version of blinkenlights
00:08 < esden> it will then probably be with color ;-)
00:10 < aszlig> CA-93:17
00:11 < esden> aszlig: ???
00:12 < aszlig> look at that cert advisory
00:13 < tsa> xterm Logging Vulnerability?
00:14 < aszlig> yep
00:14 < tsa> so what?
00:14 < aszlig> in rock-1.7
00:15 < tsa> ?
00:15 < aszlig> try to exploit that..
00:15 < aszlig> it will work..
00:17 < tsa> where is the exploit?
00:18 < aszlig> at insecure.org
00:19 < tsa> whic one?
00:19 < aszlig> erm...
00:19 < aszlig> mom..
00:23 < aszlig> http://lists.insecure.org/lists/bugtraq/1993/Nov/0000.html
00:24 < tsa> doesn't work for me.
00:25 < aszlig> hrm..
00:28 < aszlig> oh..
00:28 < aszlig>  491525 220K -rws--x--x    1 root     root         216K Dec 30 17:16 xterm <-
00:28 < Be-El> aszlig: maybe that bug was fixed in one of the xfree releases since 1993 ? ;-)
00:28 < esden> hmm ... it is not working for me either
00:28 < aszlig> why is xterm setuid?
00:30 < aszlig> just because to write utmp!?
00:30 < aszlig> then there's no need to be setuid-root
00:32 < aszlig> resp. wtmp
00:34 < aszlig> goin' smoking
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00:39 < owl> re all
00:41 < aszlig> wb owl
00:41 < aszlig> hrm, why ist it so silent in here?
00:43 < aszlig> oh..
00:43 < Be-El> we're all eagerly awaiting the next package to fail in the build ;-)
00:43 < aszlig> and screen shouldn't be setuid root, too ;)
00:44 < esden> aszlig: do you know where I find the informations about the cripted irc ?
00:44 < esden> it was running on ccc ... I would like to know where this info was ...
00:44 < aszlig> esden: silc?
00:44 < esden> yo this
00:44 < aszlig> http://www.silcnet.org/
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00:44 < esden> is the server still running ?
00:44 < aszlig> which one?
00:45 -!- Lorini is now known as LoriZzZ
00:45 < esden> or was it only for the 19c3 
00:45 < aszlig> it is still running...
00:45 < LoriZzZ> night everybody
00:45 < esden> there was one everyone of 19c3 was in ...
00:45 < esden> night LoriZzZ 
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00:46 < aszlig> esden: yes, the official ;)
00:46 < aszlig> urgh...
00:46 < esden> ohh ok 
00:46 * -> esden <- stupid
00:47 < aszlig> could list many files which should'nt be setuid root...
00:47 < aszlig> like xscreensaver :/
00:47 < Be-El> aszlig: the screensaver need some setuid-root-component to check the password...
00:47 < esden> aszlig: I think it has to be +s because they have to catch all keyboard activities ...
00:47 < esden> or so ...
00:48 < esden> Be-El: yes that could be
00:48 < aszlig> erm..
00:48 < aszlig> noo!
00:48 < esden> aszlig: so change it
00:48 < aszlig> thats totally _wrong_
00:48 < Be-El> aszlig: the kde screensaver got some small, external module (kcheckpass) for it...and it _has_ to be setuid
00:49 < aszlig> it should be enough to make it setgid with read access to shadow - thats all!
00:49 < aszlig> but _not_ setuid root!
00:49 < Be-El> read access to shadow, setuid 0...where's the difference ? ;-)
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00:50 < aszlig> the difference is, that as root user you are allowed, to read _and_ write all!
00:50 < Be-El> aszlig: with read access to the shadow file, you are able to crack the root password...
00:51 < aszlig> nope..
00:51 < Be-El> nope ?
00:51 < aszlig> no
00:52 < Be-El> ok, it's a matter of time if you choose a "secure" password ;-)
00:52 < aszlig> because if you set a secure passwd it shouldn't be crackable in calculatable time
00:52 < esden> Be-El: not aszlig's password ... it is to complicated ... and you will need your whole life to find it out ... 
00:52 < aszlig> a passwd with >8 char shauld be enough for most people
00:52 < Be-El> esden: <PARANOIA MODE> guess what the rc5 contest was for... </PARANOIA MODE> ;-)
00:52 < owl> one life? i guess you need 100 lifes for it...
00:52 < esden> Be-El: yes ... ok
00:53 < aszlig> hehe
00:53 < aszlig> but if you can theoretically write the shadow file, you could change the root-passwd
00:53 < esden> Be-El: after some years of cracking with a cluster as big as the distributednet you have it ... ok
00:53 < aszlig> and thats even more dangerous
00:55 < aszlig> X11Forwarding should be set to "no" by default ;)
00:55 < aszlig> i think that is enough to start a secure-rock target ;)
00:55 < Be-El> aszlig: ln -s secure-rock-target openbsd ? *g*
00:56 < esden> lol
00:56 < aszlig> but first i have to get that uml target working correctly
00:56 < esden> yes aszlig ... that is something for you ... integrate openbsd as a target for rocklinux ;-)
00:56 < aszlig> Be-El: ln -s openbsd crap
00:56 < aszlig> nope
00:56 < aszlig> never!
00:57 < esden> why not ?
00:57 < aszlig> there are better was for increasing security than using fscking old software
00:57 < aszlig> s/was/ways/
00:57 < esden> rofl
00:58 < tsa> changing the root password to something aszlig doesn't know? ;)
00:58 < aszlig> *lol*
00:58 < aszlig> that wouldn't help, hehe, if you have an user called "aszlig" ;P
00:58 < esden> is silc arleady included as a rock package ?
00:58 < aszlig> nope
00:58 < esden> ok ...
00:59 < aszlig> (i think)
00:59 < aszlig> esden: join "silc" or die!
01:01 < chris|me> moin esden
01:01 < aszlig> 'lo chris|me
01:01 * aszlig 's waiting for esden :->
01:01 < esden> hi chris|me 
01:03 < aszlig> choose one? (SILC/die)
01:04 < esden> aszlig: do I need a key from somewhere ?
01:04 < esden> or not ?
01:04 < aszlig> esden: nope
01:04 < aszlig> you only have to check the fpr of the server you are connecting ;)
01:05 < aszlig> your omn secret/public pair will be generated upon startup
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01:05 < aszlig> esden: new negotiaitions: join "rocklinux" or die!
01:07 < aszlig> esden: lift your ass and hurry ;) *bugging*
01:07 < esden> aszlig: STOP
01:07 < aszlig> esden: hehe
01:07 < esden> i am compiling it an the moment ... >_<
01:08 < esden> it takes some time !
01:08 < aszlig> esden: oh, okay
01:09 < aszlig> esden: how long do you think it'll take?
01:09 < aszlig> 1 cigarette?
01:10 < aszlig> 2 cigs?
01:10 < aszlig> even more?
01:10 < esden> 2 - 3 cigs
01:10 < aszlig> k
01:10 * aszlig goin' to smoke 3 cigs
01:11 < aszlig> brb :Q, :Q, :Q
01:16 * -> esden me on rocklinux @ silcnet
01:18 < aszlig> re
01:20 < aszlig> esden?
01:21 < aszlig> think that will be the yarc!
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01:30 < aszlig> Yet Another Rocklinux Channel
01:36 < esden> aha
01:36 < aszlig> ;-)
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11:42 < iBook> moin
11:51 < esden> moin
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11:54 < blindcoder> moin moin
11:55 < blindcoder> phew, anyone has an algorythm for creating landscapes made of 6-edged-tiles?
12:15 < blindcoder> m_tiles[x][y].SetCoord(UPPER_LEFT, m_tiles[x][y-1].GetCoord(LOWER_LEFT, COORD_X), m_tiles[x][y-1].GetCoord(LOWER_LEFT, COORD_Y), m_tiles[x][y-1].GetCoord(LOWER_LEFT, COORD_Z));
12:15 < blindcoder> erm... I think I should substitute this with pointers...
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12:41 < ringo30> Hi all(e). qw: if I run tcpdump I dont see much traffic but there has to be major traffic waidw ?
12:43 < esden> moin blindcoder 
12:43 < esden> moin ringo30 
12:44 < blindcoder> ringo30: have you given the correct interface to tcpdump?
12:44 < blindcoder> esden: I need help!
12:44 < esden> waaah ... schock 
12:44 < esden> yes ?
12:45 < blindcoder> esden: I need^H^H^H^Hwant to draw a landscape using 6-edged tiles
12:45 < esden> erm .. yes ... fine
12:45 < esden> but I do not know how to do it ...
12:45 < esden> use google
12:45 < esden> sorry :-/
12:45 < blindcoder> and now I neen an algorythm to craete it. Well I have a major part of it already worked out
12:45 < esden> fine ...
12:46 < blindcoder> The problem will be the display of the wrap-around...
12:46 < esden> why do you want to create something like this /
12:46 < esden> ?
12:46 < blindcoder> so that tile 63 will connect to tile 0
12:46 < esden> wraparound ?
12:46 < esden> urgh
12:46 < blindcoder> hmm... *think* *think*
12:46 * blindcoder <-- idiot
12:47 < esden> blindcoder: why ?
12:47 < blindcoder> I'm doing work in the initial creation that doesn't have to be done
12:47 < ringo30> yes right iface, blindcoder
12:48 < blindcoder> ringo30: hmm... what kind of traffic should be there?
12:48 < esden> ringo30: are you root ... and your iface is in promicious mode ?
12:49 < esden> is promicious mode support compiled in your kernel ?
12:49 < esden> are you connected to a switch or a hub ?
12:49 < ringo30> esden he doesnt say he is promisc
12:49 < blindcoder> hmm... try ethereal if you have it
12:53 < ringo30> connected trough cable modem and will try also ethereal
12:55 < ringo30> I think @home != ok ... It worked fine ;-)
12:56 * blindcoder now eating
13:08 < blindcoder> re
13:09 < ringo30> bon apetit blindcoder
13:09 < blindcoder> thanks :-)
13:09 < ringo30> have found da trouble  some proxy is wacked ;-)
13:10 < blindcoder> proxy... bad...
13:12 < ringo30> i choose another ;-) its ok now
13:13 < blindcoder> *LOOOL*
13:13 < blindcoder> "I am, however, over-confident/optimistic/arrogant enough to think that there is something that is missed in 99% of language attempts and that I know what it is - it's this:
13:13 < blindcoder> Processing text files sucks"
13:20 < blindcoder> WEE
13:20 < blindcoder> Found that fscking algorythm :)
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13:36 < esden> roe
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14:08 < th> re
14:08 < th> huebi_: ping
14:09 < th> has anyone the phone-number of huebi for me?
14:11 < esden> hi th 
14:12 < th> hi esden
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14:25 < owl> moin
14:32 < esden> hi owl
14:32 < owl> hi esden
14:32 < esden> we need a date for rocklinux birthday
14:33 < owl> take the one i will give you by the date of my death
14:33 < esden> yea sure ... but I do not want to wait so long
14:33 < owl> don't mind. you will not wait very long.
14:34 < owl> might just some hours. who knows... but first i need my knife
14:34 < esden> owl leave it !!!
14:34 * -> esden hits owl
14:34 < owl> esden: no
14:35 * -> esden hits owl once more 
14:35 < esden> leave it owl !
14:35 < owl> nobody will care about it. why should i stay here? everybody hates me. even my parents
14:36 < esden> argh ...
15:01 < blindcoder> ara, ara...
15:01 < blindcoder> looks like owl watched too much depressive Animes like X...
15:01 < owl> hi blindcoder
15:02 < blindcoder> hi owly!
15:02 < owl> no.  watched too much animes like reality...
15:03 < blindcoder> hmm... can't be helped then...
15:04 * blindcoder now packing his stuff for Palm Beach
15:05 < esden> re blindcoder 
15:05 * -> esden sweeping dust in his room
15:05 < blindcoder> re esden
15:05 < blindcoder> esden: so that w
15:05 < blindcoder> esden: so that means you're almost done with cleaning up?
15:05 < esden> hmm ... seems so ... but I still have to eat something
15:06 < esden> blindcoder: in half an hour there will be food here ...
15:06 < blindcoder> esden: that's bad, in about 40 minutes I want to pick you up
15:07 < esden> hmm ... there is nothing to change ...
15:07 < blindcoder> esden: you can take it with you
15:08 < esden> no I can not ...
15:08 < esden> I need half an hour more
15:09 < esden> I hope the world will not go under because of that
15:09 < blindcoder> hmm... okay, I think I can stratch departure until 16 something
15:09 < blindcoder> stretch
15:09 < blindcoder> Nothing I can do about it... I'll amke it somehow
15:10 < blindcoder> We have to hurry a bit to Nuremburg to make up the delay :)
15:11 < blindcoder> oh, before I forget
15:11 < blindcoder> owl: Before you die, please make sure that I get my X CDs back
15:11 < esden> I will never clean up my room !!!!
15:11 < esden> argh
15:12 < blindcoder> esden: Open the closet, put everything in, close it again :)
15:12 < owl> blindcoder: yeah. of course. you will find them in my room
15:13 < blindcoder> owl: have them sent to me. You borrowed them from me. so it's your responsibility that they get back to me. Ever heard of the german words 'Holschuld' and 'Bringschuld'?
15:13 < owl> nope.
15:14 < blindcoder> than it's time that you learn them
15:14 < blindcoder> well, I'm off now. need to pick up the first few people.
15:15 < blindcoder> esden: I'll be at your house at around 16:05, +/- 5 minutes, please be ready for leave.
15:15 < blindcoder> bye bye
15:15 < esden> hmm ... my mother is crying around
15:16 < esden> grrr
15:16 < esden> "I can nat do faster" >_<
15:16 < esden> but I sai± 
15:16 < owl> i _have to_ do absolutely nothing.
15:16 < esden> d that I have to leave 3 hours ago
15:16 < esden> and she was doing whatever at this time
15:17 < owl> bye blindcoder
15:18 < owl> esden: ???
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15:21 < esden> ?
15:23 < owl> why "crying around"
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16:12 < tsa> moin
16:12 < owl> tach tsa
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17:03 < snyke> esden?
17:04 < snyke> eeesden!
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17:19 < owl> hi snyke. esden = n/a
17:20 < snyke> grml
17:20 < snyke> thx
17:20 < owl> bad luck. that's life
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17:33 < owl> re
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17:42 < owl> hi kasc
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18:05 < jbalint> Anybody awake?
18:10 < owl> hm. more or less...
18:10 < owl> hi btw
18:13 < jbalint> Hello.
18:13 < jbalint> I notice in the latest changelog (01-02), it says "- Added automatic check for shared files which lets a pkg build fail".
18:14 < jbalint> Any idea why this was added?
18:18 < owl> <-- no idea. might you should ask the developers
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19:38 < armijn> re
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20:05 < armijn> hi tcr
20:05 < tcr> moin
20:06 < tcr> huebi_, th ? available?
20:11 < aszlig> *yawn*
20:11 * aszlig wakes up
20:12 < snyke> aszlig
20:12 < aszlig> snyke: hmm?
20:12 < armijn> heh, how was CCC?
20:13 < aszlig> really kewl..
20:13 < aszlig> on every day /me was stoned..
20:13 < tcr> you mean as usually?
20:13 < aszlig> *gg*
20:14 < aszlig> nooo... not the whole day... just the evening ;)
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20:14 < aszlig> or better: the night..
20:14 < aszlig> however..
20:14 < snyke> aszlig: #uugi
20:14 * aszlig almost finished rockstrap..
20:15 < armijn> if being stoned is "really kewl"
20:15 < aszlig> now preparing it to be ready moking a debian package
20:19 < netcrow> aszlig: here?
20:19 < fake> mornin
20:19 < netcrow> hi fAkE
20:21 < aszlig> grml
20:21 < aszlig> i wante to go - makin' breakfast..
20:21 < fake> netcrow: bitz?
20:21 < netcrow> aszlig: why does a mkdir public_html in my home no aszlig.net/~netcrow ?
20:22 < aszlig> oh..
20:22 < netcrow> fake: @home, burn & save my movies?
20:22 < fake> netcrow: *lol*
20:22 < aszlig> netcrow: because of: permission denied?
20:22 < fake> netcrow: you could stop by later
20:23 < fake> chmod a+x /home/netcrow
20:23 < fake> chmod a+rx /home/netcrow/public_html
20:24 < aszlig> noo..
20:24 < aszlig> not +r!
20:24 < aszlig> that's evil ;)
20:24 < fake> on public_html, sure
20:24 < aszlig> oh..
20:24 < aszlig> the other side is..
20:24 < aszlig> that it wouldn't help :>
20:25 < netcrow> hm, or make a symlink rom htdocs/netcrow into my home...? ;)
20:25 < aszlig> htdocs!?
20:26 < aszlig> ey! don't confuse me early in the mourning!
20:26 < netcrow> hehe, ah, its 8 am ;)
20:26 < aszlig> yeah, seems so *gg*
20:26 < tcr> Der Name der Rose kommt grad auf Sat1, guter Film. (für alle die's interessiert)
20:26 < aszlig> already seen :)
20:27 < aszlig> made a dsa adventure like that...
20:27 < aszlig> hrm..
20:27 < aszlig> i'll look it..
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20:27 < aszlig> bbl :P
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21:26 < owl> waeh. re. good morning
21:35 < snyke> moo
21:35 < snyke> <-- need esden
21:40 < owl> <-- need 10 million dollars, a car, a drivers license, a house, dog... *argh*
21:40 < owl> snyke: x-mas is over!
21:41 < snyke> i know
21:41 < netcrow> driving license is cheap ;)
21:41 < owl> for sure? why r u writing wish-list then?
21:41 < owl> netcrow: aeh? really? devine "cheap"
21:43 < owl> netcrow: so...? *waiting*
21:45 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813C20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21:45 < netcrow> if you work you earny money...;)(
21:45 < owl> if you work in munich, then you have to pay at least 150 euro for "DB". forgot it?
21:46 < owl> and if you live here you spend a lot on inet-cost... any further questions?
21:47 < netcrow> owl: hm, and the "rest"?
21:48 < netcrow> you´have inet @ work ;)
21:48 < owl> netcrow: the rest...
21:48 < netcrow> why do you net inet? *g*
21:48 < owl> yes. at work - there i have to work. no time for inet.
21:51 < owl> and a drivers licence without owning a car doesn't make sense, too
21:51 < netcrow> hm, somday you will need a license?
21:52 < owl> yeah. great. for what - if i'm living here? the only thing i would need it is for going to bitz. nothing else.
21:54 < netcrow> if computer make so much part of you life....hm..
21:55 < owl> what else such make part of my life?
21:55 < netcrow> hm, friends, fun, etc
21:57 < owl> friends? - aehm. ??? who?    fun - what for? and what is fun?  - the only fun i had was last year in berlin... in a club. but not here. and "etc" - not found
21:59 < netcrow> heieiei
22:00 < owl> hm?
22:02 < tsa> np: converter - domination
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22:15 < dennis> re
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22:31 < owl> hi dennis
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22:52 < aszlig> rehi
22:53 * aszlig expecting tcr
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23:25 < owl> re
23:29 < snyke> <-- needs esden =)
23:29 < owl> snyke: might you should stop the app called "need_esden"...!
23:30 < snyke> no chance, nice try.
23:30 < owl> kill -9 2184
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23:41 < snyke> <-- needs esden =)
23:43 * owl kills snyke _NOW_!!!
23:43 < snyke> try ;)
23:44 < owl> yeah. next time i will meet you... then i will give you coffee with poison!
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23:46 < owl> wah! master chrisime, chrisime_, chrisime1, chrisime2, chrisime3, chrisime4 is there again! *argh*
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