--- Log opened Sun Jan 05 00:00:25 2003
--- Day changed Sun Jan 05 2003
00:26 < huebi_> Moin!
00:26 < huebi_> Now I have a internet link in the office.
00:27 -!- huebi_ is now known as huebi
00:27 < huebi> Unstable, but it works.
00:27 < owl> hi huebi
00:27 < huebi> hi owl
00:28 < huebi> with a windows router in the moment, because of hexediting the DLink DWL-520Plus driver did not work.
00:28 < owl> *g* i feel with you, huebi
00:29 < huebi> :-)
00:30 * huebi going to slaughter a i486 with a D-Link DWL-650 PCMCIA adapter and  PLX adapter...
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00:37 < huebi> Moin ringo30
00:37 < ringo30> moin huebi !
00:38 < ringo30> What is da best binary to install with a good bootcd ? Getting sick of mandrake ;-)
00:39 < huebi> ringo30: th and me are bussy with the read only subdistribution of 1.6.0pre3. That will be a very good rescue CD
00:41 < ringo30> any ideas when it will be finished ? I wanna bring my p4 to live (now its running xp :-( )
00:43 < huebi> ringo30: here you can find the ISO image: ftp://stud.fbi.fh-darmstadt.de/pub/linux/rocklinux/iso-images
00:44 < huebi> ringo30: for P4
00:45 < huebi> In the moment it work only for IDE only system directly from CD - else you have to use the floppy images on the CD
00:47 < ringo30> luckely it ide ;-)
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00:52 < owl> re
00:52 < huebi> hi owl
00:52 < huebi> owl: do you need an ISDN router?
00:53 < owl> hm? facts...? i will normally set up an old box with openbsd as router...
00:54 < huebi> owl: I'll have a look at it in the next days. I have about 50 of them avaliable. very small and easy to use.
00:55 < ringo30> huebi : downloading 1.6.0 pre 3
00:55 < huebi> ringo30: :-))
00:55 < owl> hm. k. thx.
01:09 < snyke> hm
01:09 < snyke> <-- needs esden =)
01:10 < owl> SNYKE!!!
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01:38 < snyke> <-- needs esden =)
01:38 < owl> <-- needs sword
01:38 * snyke gives sword
01:38 * owl kills snyke 
01:39 * huebi cleans up the channel from the blood
01:39 < owl> snyke: btw, did you write an irssi-script for "<-- needs esden =)" ?
01:39 < owl> thx a lot huebi. and please don't tell anyone that i killed snyke
01:40 < snyke> owl: I don't use irssi. sorry.
01:40 < snyke> I use xchat with psyBNC
01:40 < owl> snyke: *argh
01:41 < owl> X? what is X? the anime? *hrhr*
01:41 < snyke> ..
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01:46 < SMP> huebi? how did you get the WLAN to work at last?
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01:48 < rolla> re all
01:48 < huebi> SMP: I put the router on the balcony inside the house. now I have only 1 Wall and one window to pass. (And a not so lucky wife with the 2 network cables laying arround in the whole flat.
01:50 < SMP> hehe
01:52 < ringo30> huebi nice job, only something with apic ? noapic ... Rocking ....
01:54 < huebi> ringo30: Thanks.
01:55 < huebi> ringo30: ACPI is now in the kernel for newer boards.
01:55 < huebi> noapic is needed for broken BIOSes
01:55 < huebi> only
02:12 < rolla> the movie Ronin rules :)
02:20 < ringo30> hmm ... rockorig/Documentation seems to be missing ?
02:20 < huebi> ringo30: Yes, a bad link.
02:20 < huebi> It's on my todo list.
02:22 < ringo30> ok ... sri
02:29 < snyke> <-- needs esden =)
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03:04 < huebi> moin Ge0rG
03:04 < Ge0rG> huhu
03:05 < Ge0rG> huebi: das wurde leider nix mehr am 29... wir haben die isos nicht gebrannt bekommen und als wir mit bin&cue angerückt sind, hat deine WS den geist aufgegeben
03:06 < huebi> Ge0rG: Wurde nicht der Strom abgeschaltet?
03:06 < Ge0rG> huebi: irgendwann später vielleicht
03:06 < Ge0rG> wir sind aber erst gegen morgen verpeilt rumgelaufen und haben die stromstrippen eingesammelt ;)
03:06 < Ge0rG> da war strom iirc noch da
03:07 < tsa> LANG=en, please
03:07 < Ge0rG> oh sorry
03:07 < Ge0rG> hi tsa
03:07 < huebi> so um 5h sollte der STrom wohl abgeschaltet worden sein. Habe ich jedenfalls erzaehlt bekommen.
03:07 < huebi> hi tsa
03:07 < tsa> hi huebi, geo
03:07 < tsa> rg
03:08 < tsa> *NARF*
03:08 < Ge0rG> huebi: s/strom/netz/
03:11 < huebi> sysstat tools are now in base
03:13 < blindcoder> I don't like this...
03:13 < blindcoder> hi all...
03:13 < huebi> moin blindcoder
03:13 < blindcoder> I just came home and a part of my rom is completely messed up
03:13 < huebi> blindcoder: What do you meen?>
03:13 < blindcoder> and I _know_ I didn't leave it in that state...
03:13 < blindcoder> s/rom/room/
03:14 < huebi> blindcoder: call the cops to catch the burglar
03:14 < tsa> blindcoder: been smoking too much weed at 19c3? ;)
03:14 < blindcoder> my cable-box is pulled out o the corner, some "Ordner" are thrown on the floor and the sideboard is destroyed
03:14 < blindcoder> tsa: I haven't been there
03:14 < tsa> hm..
03:15 < blindcoder> And if my parents had just been searching for a cable or what then they'd called me
03:15 < tsa> any pets at home that like destroying your room?
03:15 < blindcoder> none big enough (one Shih-Tzu, but that is too small)
03:16 < blindcoder> ah well.... I need a rest (just came back from Nuremburg (Palm Beach))
03:16 < blindcoder> see ya tomorrow... erm... later :-)
03:16 < huebi> blindcoder: cu
03:17 < huebi> (nice feeling - having internet again)
03:25 < huebi> SMP: Camn you give me the URL of the webcvs front end
03:25 < huebi> ?
03:29 < tsa> n8
03:29 < huebi> cu tsa
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04:30 < huebi> Nacht
04:33 < owl> gn8 huebi
04:34 < rolla> re owl
04:34 < owl> moin rolla.
04:34 < rolla> morn?
04:34 < rolla> wie spaet ist es?
04:34 < owl> 04:34
04:35 < owl> a.m
04:35 < rolla> ach so?
04:35 < owl> :) but i'm saying "moin" even if it's late afternoon or so
04:35 < rolla> :)
04:35 < rolla> it is 21:35
04:36 < owl> *g*
04:36 < owl> how r u btw?
04:36 < rolla> gute
04:36 < rolla> tired
04:37 < owl> *lol* at 21:35???
04:37 < owl> haha
04:37 < rolla> ja
04:37 < owl> haha. you're getting old, i guess... ;)
07:47 < aszlig> rehi
07:47 < aszlig> hmm...
07:47 < aszlig> i think i should sleep now *gg*
07:47 < aszlig> hrm..
07:48 < aszlig> but first.. goin' to smoke a cig ;)
07:50 < aszlig> brb :Q
07:56 < aszlig> k, sleepin'
07:56 < aszlig> gnu n8
10:12 < huebi> Moin
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10:26 < huebi> moin blindcoder :-)
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11:23 < praenti> moin
11:26 < huebi> moin praenti :-)
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12:14 < SMP> huebi: http://cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/
12:15 < huebi> SMP: Moin und danke
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12:19 < tcr> moin all
12:19 < huebi> moin tcr
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12:21 < tcr> ah huebi: what's about the bug report made by Mario Jose Medjeral?
12:22 < tcr> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:44:31 +0000
12:23 < huebi> tcr: My mail server is down in the moment. Can you dcc it?
12:24 < huebi> tcr: or forward it to huebi@world.cabal1.net
12:24 < tcr> well, it's only 10 lines long, so I just paste into a query, ok?
12:24 < huebi> ok
12:25 < tcr> a fix for tge last point was alreay comitted
12:26 < tcr> the information he provides is unfortunately a bit sparely
12:26 < huebi> tcr: but sufficient to find the errors, I think...
12:27 < tcr> hmm. I actually thought of appealing for more information, e.g. grepping for bin/vim in /var/adm/flists
12:27 < tcr> so we'd have the bogus pkg at once
12:30 < tcr> do you have a lately build with all flists?
12:31 < huebi> better only that information than no bug report at all. :-)
12:35 < tcr> so?
12:40 < praenti> can anybody tell me how i get only the pid from this line:"  286 vc/1     00:00:00 master"
12:41 < tcr> with ps?
12:41 < praenti> tcr: when you can tell me a ps parameter where i can get the processes from user cyrus with pid and process-name
12:42 < praenti> vc/1 and cpu-time is not interesting
12:42 < praenti> the next point ist to cut the whitespaces and the name away
12:42 < praenti> this is done by sed
12:43 < huebi>   praenti or tr
12:43 < huebi> ps -u cyrus <- All processes of cyrus
12:43 < praenti> but i only have cut the whitespaces and informations after vc/1 away
12:43 < praenti> huebi: this is the line i used
12:44 < praenti> piped this to grep master
12:44 < praenti> ps --user cyrus | grep master
12:44 < tcr> ps -u cyrus -o pid,cmd
12:44 < praenti> ok looks better for sed parsing. thx
12:44 < huebi> ps -u huebi
12:45 < huebi> 17667 ?        00:00:00 mozilla-bin
12:45 < huebi> 17667 ? 00:00:00 mozilla-bin
12:45 < tcr> there may be an option to cut the first line off
12:45 < huebi> ps -u huebi | tr -s ' '
12:47 < praenti> huebi: tr is cool. perhaps with this i can this much easier
12:47 < praenti> ...make...
12:47 < huebi> ps -u huebi | tr -s ' ' | cut -d ' ' -f1,4
12:47 < huebi> 17667 mozilla-bin
12:47 < tcr> huebi: ps -u huebi -o pid,cmd
12:47 < tcr> one command doing the same
12:48 < huebi> tcr: Nice
12:49 < huebi> ps -u huebi -o pid,cmd
12:49 < huebi> 17667 /usr/bin/mozilla-bin
12:49 < huebi> a bit different...
12:50 < praenti> huebi: can i use more SETs with tr?
12:51 < huebi> ps -u huebi | tr -s ' ' | sed 's/^ //' | cut -d ' ' -f1,4
12:51 < huebi> now deleting the first space
12:52 < huebi> so that all process IDs are recogniced
12:52 < praenti> huebi: i used: ps -u cyrus -o pid,cmd | grep master | tr -d ' '
12:52 < praenti> 286/usr/cyrus/bin/master
12:53 < praenti> and i i wnat to cut after the first /
12:53 < praenti> can cut do a regexp?
12:53 < praenti> i hate typos
12:53 < tcr> #define cut
12:53 < huebi> ps -u cyrus | tr -s ' ' | sed 's/^ //' | cut -d ' ' -f1,4 | grep master
12:54 < tcr> monster command 8)
12:54 < huebi> tcr: No, it's a one line program ... *ggg*
12:54 < owl> moin
12:54 < huebi> moin owl
12:55 < tcr> i count 5processes
12:55 < huebi> kill -HUP `ps -u cyrus | tr -s ' ' | sed 's/^ //' | cut -d ' ' -f1,4 | grep master`
12:55 < tcr> 6
12:56 < huebi> kill -HUP `ps -u cyrus | tr -s ' ' | sed 's/^ //' | cut -d ' ' -f1,4 | grep master` | tee -a cyrus-kill.log
12:56 < tcr> kill -HUP `ps -u cyrus -C master -o pid`
12:56 < praenti> huebi: this is a really monster
12:57 < huebi> kill -HUP `ps -u cyrus | tr -s ' ' | sed 's/^ //' | cut -d ' ' -f1,4 | grep master` | tee -a cyrus-kill.log || mail praent < "Monster did fail!"
12:59 < praenti> tcr: your command would not work.
12:59 < praenti> PID
12:59 < praenti>   286
12:59 < praenti>   430
12:59 < praenti>  7587
12:59 < praenti>  7631
12:59 < huebi> praenti: It look worse than it is. Just cut the tail of the monster to find out _what_ it does
12:59 < huebi> praenti: mine, too
12:59 < huebi> correct version:
13:00 < huebi> kill -HUP `ps -u cyrus | tr -s ' ' | sed 's/^ //' | cut -d ' ' -f1 | grep master`
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13:00 < huebi>                                                                   ^the 4 wass too much
13:01 < praenti> huebi: kill -HUP `ps -u cyrus | tr -s ' ' | sed 's/^ //' | grep master | cut -d ' ' -f1`
13:01 < praenti> this one works
13:02 < huebi> ACK
13:02 < kasc> moinsen
13:03 < huebi> praenti: In mine no 'master' was grepable
13:03 < huebi> tach kasc
13:06 < tcr> kill -HUP `ps -C master -o pid=` # i'm afraid but it seems to be possible to group selection, so this would send a SIGHUP to all master programms and not only those running under `cyrus'
13:06 < tcr> it seems _not_ to be possible
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13:08 < tcr> kill -HUP `ps -C master -o pid=` # i'm afraid but it seems to be possible to group selection, so this would send a SIGHUP to all master programms and not only those running under `cyrus'
13:08 < tcr> it seems _not_ to be possible
13:11 < snyke> killall -u cyrus -SIGHUP
13:11 < snyke> ?
13:14 < praenti> shitt. ok this is working. but i think i need a delay in the skript
13:14 < huebi> snyke:
13:15 < snyke> hm?
13:15 < snyke> I just posted my 2 cents. I don't know what it should do and what not *g*
13:16 < praenti> ok. now it works. *YEAH*
13:17 < praenti> have need this things for the cyrus startup script. cause before i could start more than one master process and this makes my MDA crazy ;-)
13:17 < praenti> now i have a pid
13:17 < praenti> file
13:19 < tcr> and what you needed you that command for?
13:20 < praenti> ok. I'm away now. cu later
13:20 * praenti away
13:20 < tcr> s,you,,1
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13:21 < praenti> tcr: i needed a pid-file for the cyrus-master-process. goal was to write the pid in that file after cyrus-master is started
13:22 < tcr> argh
13:23 < praenti> the problem is that cyrus does not check if an instance of him is already running
13:23 < praenti> and a killall -15 master is very dangerous, because postfix main process is also called master
13:24 < tcr> well. you could give the full command name to killall
13:24 < tcr>  /usr/local/cyrus/bin/master
13:24 < tcr> or sth
13:25 < praenti> tcr: you are right. but then the script must be edited if you have installed cyrus in an alternative directory
13:25 < praenti> ok. shitt. i must edit this one also, when i satrt the process.
13:26 < praenti> i post the script in #aol
13:27 < praenti> perhaps than it is clear
13:27 < tcr> mom. be right back
13:29 < praenti> snyke: can you look in the #uugi
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13:35 < snyke> yo
13:35 < tcr> re
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14:09 < esden> hi all
14:09 < huebi> moin esden
14:09 < esden> hi huebi 
14:13 < esden> hmm ... the cvs server of 1.7 is darn slow
14:14 < esden> ahh it finally finished
14:15 < huebi> esden: when can you send my the cheetah disk?
14:18 < SMP> esden: we'll move the 1.7 anoncvs to the anoncvs.rocklinux.de server
14:19 < SMP> gee. now, someone please give me a clue how to install an 1.7 snapshot from CD ;-O
14:26 < esden> SMP: ahh well to know
14:26 < esden> SMP: do you want to use stone or not ?
14:26 < esden> I have not used stone to install 1.7 yet
14:27 < SMP> hmm, I'm getting a grasp
14:28 < SMP> yes, I could probably just use gem directly
14:28 < SMP> ehm. mine
14:29 < owl> hi esden
14:29 < esden> till now I mounted the cd and started mine so that it installs all the contents of the cd. That worked fine for me till now. Besides the fact that the installation is pretty big then. You can still unisnstall packages afterwords.
14:31 < SMP> can a 4GB filesystem hold a complete 1.7 install?
14:32 < huebi> esden: can you send the disk tomorrow?
14:33 < snyke> esden!
14:33 < esden> snyke: WAS!
14:33 < snyke> :-(
14:34 < snyke> query
14:34 < esden> jaaa ...
14:36 < SMP> STONE - Setup Tool ONE
14:36 < SMP> rofl
14:36 < SMP> I didn't know it was supposed to mean that
14:37 * blindcod1r still waiting for STTWO :)
14:37 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder
14:37 < blindcoder> hi all
14:37 < owl> moin blindcoder
14:37 < blindcoder> moin owl
14:38 < SMP> blindcoder: ever heard of ZWEI?
14:39 < blindcoder> just the number...
14:39 < SMP> ZWEI is called ZWEI because Zwei Was Eins Initially
14:39 < SMP> it's some GNU tool afaik
14:40 < blindcoder> i see...
14:43 * blindcoder now off --> scittles
14:45 < SMP> uh-hu
14:45 < SMP> mine doesn't quite work
14:45 < SMP> aeh. s,mine,stone,
14:47 < esden> SMP: that is why I have not used it yet for installing rock ;-)
14:49 < SMP> 6 bugs in 1.7 noted so far
15:23 < th> re
15:27 < huebi> huhu th
15:27 < th> huebi!!!
15:27 < th> du lebst?
15:27 < huebi> th: Jo, und wieder Internet ...
15:28 < huebi> und der stud ist wieder da...
15:29 < th> huebi: mir garnich aufgefallen, dass er weg war ;_
15:30 < huebi> ...but nobody is in the server room - no new ISO uploads for the moment. Perhaps that can be done later..
15:30 < th> huebi: read your emails!
15:31 < huebi> th: jo, I'm on that issue since 1/2h
15:31 < th> huebi: so read the last mail first ;)
15:31 < th> huebi: i already committed
15:33 < huebi> th: ok
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15:37 < th> hi tcr
15:38 < tcr> hi th
15:39 < tcr> th: did you read the short talking between me and masta hueb' taken place this morning?
15:40 < th> no
15:40 < th> at what time?
15:40 < th> *scrolling*
15:41 < tcr> hmm say 12-13
15:43 < th> hmm is should reread my email about this
15:44 < tcr> yay
15:45 < th> huebi: du holst langsam auf ;)
15:46 < th> tcr: the vim-concern is for me...
15:46 < huebi> th: *g*
15:48 < th> i need some time to clarify the openssl upgrade issue
15:49 < tcr> why whats wrong with it?
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15:49 < th> might be that it breaks net-snmp
15:49 < tcr> 'might be'
15:49 < tcr> ?
15:50 < th> test builds running
15:50 < tcr> concerning the bug report is just someone needed having flists of all pkgs
15:50 < tcr> bad grammar >_<
15:51 < huebi> tcr: I have all of them
15:51 < th> glibc package provides /usr/sbin/ldconfig ld.so package provides /sbin/ldconfig
15:51 < tcr> hrm. i asked you this question this morning too.. but got no answer :P
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15:53 < huebi> tcr: do you want to have all the flists?
15:55 < tcr> nah, mom
15:55 < th> ok. stage [2] started
15:55 < tcr> th is caring about the double existing VIM ?
15:56 < th> tcr:
15:56 < th> aehm
15:56 < th> tcr: yes
15:57 < tcr> for i in vim ldconfig freetype-config loadkeys groups ; do grep bin/$i /var/adm/flists/*; done | mail tobrit@freebits.de
15:57 < tcr> @ huebi
16:07 * -> esden updating glibc on the fly ... >_< 
16:07 < esden> whisch me luck
16:07 < esden> i min wish
16:07 < esden> grr ... /me can not type ... 
16:08 < esden> that are the nerves ...
16:08 < tcr> gud lack
16:09 < esden> hmm ... till now everything seems to work ...
16:12 < esden> alpha:~/resc# pkg-list | grep glibc
16:12 < esden> glibc 2.3.1 1.7-snapshot
16:12 < esden> sweet
16:21 < huebi> tcr: "Sie haben Post!"
16:27 < huebi> re
16:28 < huebi> hmm, I still have a very unstable connection
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16:40 < huebi> Frohes neues Jahr, bluefire
16:45 < esden> ha ... gcc3 fixed
16:45 < esden> frohes neues bluefire 
16:47 < bluefire> frohes Neues Huebi!
16:47 < bluefire> frohes Neues auch esden!
16:49 < esden> hmm ... really strange ...
16:49 < esden> when I try to compile gcc3 with diet ... it is only fscking around >_<
17:11 < huebi> esden: I talked to a freind for a serial terminal interface for the LCD panel. Later with optional PC-keyboard connector
17:11 < huebi> esden: have you any interest in that?
17:13 < huebi> it's a separate pcb with an Atmel controller on it to be connectet to the normal panel
17:13 < huebi> brb
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17:58 < armijn> re
18:03 < blindcod1r> rehi
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18:22 < huebi> moin armijn
18:25 < huebi> armijn: How are you?
18:43 < huebi> th: Ping
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18:50 < tsa> hi
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18:57 < dennis> hi
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19:12 < owl> *yawn* good morning/re
19:17 < armijn> hwh
19:18 < armijn> as in, heh
19:18 < armijn> huebi: I'm fine...
19:19 * armijn off
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19:28 < tcr> huebi and th: I'm fixing the double-existing ldconfig bug right now
19:28 < huebi> tcr:  great :-)
19:29 < tcr> i decided to keep the glibc's one since this version is much newer and it's published under a beater copyright
19:29 < tcr> beater->better
19:29 < esden> fscking dhcp !!!
19:29 < esden> uuuhhmm ... I mean gcc3 !
19:29 * -> esden is confused ... 
19:30 < huebi> tcr: ACK. We'll see if it works fine then. Is it the one normaly first in $PATH?
19:30 < huebi> esden <- Starts to think like glibc is writen... :>
19:30 < tcr> hm unfortunately there is no ldconfig.8 manpage in the glibc tarball :-/ so I'm currently searching for a good download location of the old version of the manpage that has been modified to fit to the new version
19:31 < tcr> huebi: nope, it's not. But it's completely compatible to the old version
19:31 < esden> huebi: not only how glibc is written ... but also as buggy as dietlibc is ;-)
19:31 < huebi> O_o_.
19:32 < esden> huebi: what is this ?
19:33 < huebi> esden: an O_o concentrating in a dot
19:33 < esden> wow ... sweet
19:34 < esden> ok ... then I have only to writ "." now ... instead of "O_o"
19:34 < esden> cool ;-)
19:34 < huebi> hehe ;-)
19:34 < huebi> 17:11 < huebi> esden: I talked to a freind for a serial terminal interface for the LCD panel. Later with optional PC-keyboard connector
19:34 < huebi> 17:11 < huebi> esden: have you any interest in that?
19:34 < huebi> 17:13 < huebi> it's a separate pcb with an Atmel controller on it to be connectet to the normal panel
19:35 < esden> hmm .. interesting
19:36 < huebi> esden: it coould also be powered from the keyboard or USB connector
19:36 < huebi> "MicroTerm"
19:36 < esden> ehhm .. I do not believe that ... 
19:36 < esden> then you have to turn of the backlight
19:37 < esden> the usb connector could have enough power
19:37 < esden> but not the keyboard connector
19:37 < huebi> the keyboard should deliver at leastr 1A
19:38 < huebi> That was the size of the fuse I replaced a long time ago
19:38 < esden> uhm ...
19:38 < esden> a fuse where ?
19:38 < huebi> on the mainboard
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19:40 < armijn> re
19:40 < huebi> re armijn
19:40 < esden> huebi: the fuses are different on all mainboards
19:40 < esden> that is the problem
19:40 < esden> on some mainboards it may work well
19:41 < esden> but when you connect it to others it can destroy your chipset
19:41 < armijn> hi huebi, esden
19:41 < huebi> esden: What is the maximum power consumption of the panel?
19:41 < armijn> the powersupply of my alpha went dead...also killed the harddisk
19:41 < huebi> armijn: Argh. Bad luck.
19:42 < armijn> yeah...and it isn't even mine...
19:42 < armijn> I gotta find a new powersupply pretty soon...
19:42 < armijn> need to get some work done (no, no ROCK work)
19:44 < tsa> hehe
19:44 < esden> huebi: I do not know it by hard
19:44 < esden> hi armijn !
19:44 < esden> so by the way ;-)
19:44 < esden> happy new year
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19:45 < armijn> esden: indeed :)
19:45 < armijn> oh, and I got a PowerPC now...
19:45 < armijn> it's old and crappy and it will only run AIX
19:46 < esden> armijn: have fun with it ;-)
19:46 < huebi> armijn: Do you want to have some more?
19:46 < armijn> huebi: let me guess, with MCA?
19:47 < huebi> I don't know. But the price will be about 20 EUR
19:47 < tsa> hm...
19:47 < tsa> anyone familar with AT&T UNIX?
19:47 < tsa> System V Release 4 Version 2.1
19:47 < armijn> huebi: got specs?
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19:48 < huebi> moin Ge0rG
19:48 < huebi> moin tsa
19:48 < tsa> hi huebi
19:48 < Ge0rG> hiho
19:49 < tsa> (i got the at&t unix at 19c3 - it's 30 floppy images and i don't really know what i can do with it, which arch it is for, etc..)
19:49 < huebi> armijn: ~200MHz >=32MB RAM no drives, midi tower case, IDE on board, linux boots from network (nic on board), SCSI 53C852 IIRC.
19:49 < tsa> oh a readme!
19:50 < tsa> *ARGH*
19:50 < tsa>   AT&T UNIX System V Release 4 Version 2.1
19:50 < tcr> tsa: i know one having it run for sometime IIRC
19:50 < tsa>   Description:
19:50 < tsa>   It's UNIX. If you need more info, you don't need this Operating System.
19:50 < tsa> *rotfl*
19:50 < tcr> tsa is a unix wannabe, right :P
19:50 < tsa> tcr: :-P
19:51 * tsa just being curious what this thing might do..
19:51 < armijn> huebi: sounds nice
19:51 < armijn> huebi: how will you distribute them?
19:51 < huebi> tsa: It'll unix you. very deep and hard.
19:52 < tsa> huebi: i wonder if it would run at all..the floppy images are all dated january 92..
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19:52 < tcr> huebi: hmm. how do I rename a file via cvs?
19:52 < huebi> armijn: I ordered 10 of them. If I got them I can deliver them as mail packet e.g.
19:53 < armijn> huebi: not planning to take them to FOSDEM?
19:53 < esden> ping blindcoder 
19:53 < huebi> tcr: rewrite cvs first ;> cvs rm <oldfilename> ; cvs add <newfilename>
19:54 < tcr> oh .. hehe. ok thnx
19:54 < huebi> tcr: you can not directly rename them.
19:54 < huebi> armijn: When is FOSDEM?
19:55 < esden> ccache is really usefull
19:55 < armijn> huebi: february, in brussels
19:55 < huebi> hmm....
19:56 < huebi> I don't think that I'll be there but I can send ripclaw *g*
19:57 < armijn> with a powerpc?
19:57 < huebi> jo.
19:57 < armijn> well, I happen to know someone who'd love to have one...
19:57 < huebi> All cars of ripclaw are officially trucks.
19:58 < armijn> and he's coming from the UK to FOSDEM by train...
19:58 < armijn> trucks? not even tanks?
19:58 < huebi> VW never produced tanks.
19:58 * -> esden be back in 10 mins
19:59 < armijn> huebi: ah, ok...
20:00 < huebi> armijn: If I got the boxes I send you a mail.
20:00 < armijn> huebi: when do you expect them/
20:00 < huebi> in 1 or 2 weeks
20:02 < armijn> huebi: I will bother you in 1 to 2 weeks then :)
20:02 < armijn> are they heavy?
20:02 < huebi> I don't think so.
20:03 < huebi> 10Kg or so, nbut we'll see it
20:03 < armijn> ok
20:04 < armijn> it's not for me...my parents would kill me...
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20:11 < owl> re
20:11 < hoho> anyone speak dutch here?
20:12 < armijn> hoho: depends...
20:12 < hoho> know what maatstaaf means?
20:12 < tcr> huebi: still here?
20:12 < armijn> I do...
20:12 < huebi> tcr: Yes.
20:13 < hoho> armijn: I should have known that from your nick
20:13 < armijn> hoho: hehe
20:13 < hoho> know what maatstaaf means?
20:13 < armijn> hoho: yes, I do...looking for a translation
20:14 < tcr> huebi: i just took a look at ld.so.conf and the pkg seems only to be there to copy ldconfig and manapges of ldd and ldconfig
20:14 < tcr> huebi: it really looks like we could get rid of ld.so
20:14 < armijn> hoho: what's the context?
20:15 < hoho> armijn: none :)
20:15 < tcr> i only no maastrich
20:15 < tcr> know
20:15 < hoho> or at least none that I understand
20:15 < armijn> hoho: it's only used in sayings...
20:15 < armijn> tcr: masstrichT
20:15 < armijn> ehr, maastricht that is
20:15 < hoho> hmm
20:16 < tcr> well, the t isnt spoken :P so please forgive me this mistake, oh armijn :)
20:16 < armijn> tcr: depends on whom you talk to...
20:17 < tcr> hmm well at least we dont speak it
20:22 < armijn> hehe
20:22 < armijn> am off again
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20:22 < huebi> cu aszlig
20:22 < huebi> hmmpf
20:24 < tcr> so huebi? what's about ld.so
20:25 < huebi> tcr: remove it, please. I'll start a new build tonight and tomorrow we can test if all work right without the package.
20:26 < tcr> hmm. oki
20:27 < tcr> huebi: if I remove it with cvs rm, will the package be recovered later?
20:27 < tcr> s,will,can,
20:27 < huebi> tcr: Yes, it will/can.
20:28 < owl> ROCKLinux
20:28 < owl> ROCKLinux
20:28 < owl> ROCKLinux
20:28 < owl> ROCKLinux
20:28 < owl> ROCKLinux
20:28 < owl> ROCKLinux
20:28 < owl> ROCKLinux
20:28 < owl> ah... sorry
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20:36 < huebi> tcr: There must have been a reason why this package was added to ROCK Linux...
20:39 < tcr> well i havent removed so far. will eat now then take a look again
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20:47 < tcr> re
20:48 < dennis> wb
20:50 < tcr> huebi: ?
20:51 < huebi> tcr: Yes?
20:51 < tcr> huebi: as the .conf shows it just creates /etc/ld.so.conf (which could be moved to glibc.conf) and the installing of ldconfig and of two manpages
20:52 < huebi> tcr: let's remove and test it then.
20:52 < huebi> brb
20:52 < tcr> ok will do that
20:53 < huebi> ok
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21:18 < esden> re
21:18 < owl> wb esden
21:18 < esden> hi owl
21:25 < blindcoder> reeeeeeeehi
21:25 < tcr> huebi: ?
21:25 < owl> wb blindcoder
21:30 < th> re
21:30 < th> huebi: pnong
21:30 < th> oups
21:31 * hoho is so bored
21:31 < esden> hoho hoho
21:31 < hoho> `lo esden
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21:35 < Be-El> hi ppl
21:35 < tsa> hi Be-El
21:36 < Be-El> tsa: du kannst mir doch sicherlich sagen, wo und wie die environment-variablen der chroot konfiguriert werden ;-)
21:36 < esden> hi Be-El 
21:37 < tsa> Be-El: scripts/parse-config
21:37 < Be-El> qt applications depend on $QTDIR...and it is not set to the right directory in the build tree
21:45 < tcr> Be-El: scripts/make-env
21:46 < tcr> that is respoinsible for the env vars
21:46 < Be-El> tcr: yes, but the configuration has to be written by ./scripts/Config, since qt may not be available at all, e.g. after disabling the package
21:47 < tcr> yeah make-env is just the lowest level
21:47 < tcr> btw. are talking about 1.7 or 1.6?
21:47 < Be-El> 1.7 ;-)
21:48 < tcr> ok, then i'm out
21:49 < Be-El> the way dependencies are handled in 1.7 should be change IMHO
21:49 < Be-El> if you disable a single package, all depending packages should be auto-disabled, too
21:51 < tcr> well this would mean to write all packages that are depentant on a pkg in its .cache file
21:51 < tcr> otherwise it'd be a pain in the ass to grep the whole packages/ directory
21:51 < tcr> hmm, well.
21:52 < Be-El> tcr: we got scripts/deb_db.txt...
21:52 < Be-El> tcr: it's jsut a matter of using the information stored in there
21:52 < tcr> well, then feel free to modify scripts/Config
21:53 < Be-El> i would like to...but i don't think most people around would like the scripts to start with #!/usr/bin/env perl ;-)
21:56 < tcr> hm?
21:57 < Be-El> it's been a long time since i did some bash programming...
21:58 < tsa> Be-El: time to try it again, then? ;)
21:59 < Be-El> oh nooo ;-)
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22:01 < tsa> hehe
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22:12 < tcr> huebi || th !!!!!
22:14 < th> tcr: ack
22:15 < tcr> cvs server: failed to create lock directory for `/home/rockcvs/cvs/CVSROOT/Emptydir' (/home/rockcvs/cvs/CVSROOT/Emptydir/#cvs.lock): Permission denied
22:15 < th> hmm
22:16 < th> visiting world
22:16 < tcr> i'm about removing base-config/ld.so/ it has been made obsolete by me
22:16 < th> ouhm
22:17 < th> hope you won't break anything by this
22:17 < th> hmmm
22:17 < th> you need write access to Emptydir/ ??
22:17 < th> this is somewhat strange
22:18 < th> sure about this?
22:18 < th> tcr: aehm
22:18 < th> tcr: you can't remove a directory
22:19 < tcr> hmm??
22:19 < th> what are you trying?
22:20 < tcr> cvs -d tcr@cvs.rocklinux.de:/home/rockcvs/cvs rm base-config/ld.so/
22:20 < tcr> should I use base-config/ld.so/* instead? but won't then the dir base-config/ld.so/ remain?
22:20 < th> forget about this
22:20 < th> remove all files instead
22:20 < th> it is not possible to delete a direcotry
22:20 < huebi> re Moep!
22:20 < th> hey huebi
22:20 < tcr> so ld.so/* ?
22:21 < th> tcr: cd ld.so ;  rm * ; cvs remove [files]
22:21 < tcr> hm
22:21 < tcr> ok
22:22 < Be-El> you need to delete the files, commit the delete, delete the directory and commit it
22:22 < huebi> tcr: you need to name every single file with "cvs rm"
22:22 < tcr> should I remove the CVS directory too`? Or does it contain any important information needed by cvs rm?
22:22 < th> Be-El: NAK
22:22 < th> tcr: just delete the files
22:22 < th> tcr: then do a cvs rm on them
22:23 < th> tcr: leave CVS as it is
22:23 < tcr> ah XD damnit!
22:23 < tcr> i removed the files but don't know how they were named XD
22:23 < huebi> with a "cvs up -dP" all empty directories are deleted and all new derectories are created.
22:24 < huebi> tcr: make a "cvs up" in that directory
22:24 < tcr> pfff. that's crap.
22:24 < tcr> cvs is fucking mysterious ;)
22:24 < huebi> tcr: hehe
22:24 < huebi> *LOOOOL*
22:25 * huebi needed only 2 months for the basics
22:25 < huebi> of cvs
22:25 < th> tcr: first do a rm [filenames] and then a cvs !!
22:25 < th> "!!" is replaced by last command
22:25 < th> so yu have cvs rm [filenames]
22:26 < huebi> tcr: after the "cvs up" delete the files with "rm [filename} {filneame]"
22:26 < huebi> th ack
22:27 < tcr> hmm
22:27 < huebi> tcr: cvs needs some tries and many errors to understand it. It's not very intentional as other software often is.
22:29 < tcr>  /building/rock-1.5-cvs/base-config/ld.so $ for i in *; do if [ -f $i ]; then echo -- $i --; rm -f $i; cvs -d tcr@cvs.rocklinux.de:/home/rockcvs/cvs rm $i; fi; done
22:29 < tcr> -- no-ldd.patch --
22:29 < tcr> cvs server: scheduling `no-ldd.patch' for removal
22:29 < tcr> cvs server: use 'cvs commit' to remove this file permanently
22:29 < tcr> that's it. odd
22:30 < tcr> all files were removed though
22:30 < huebi> http://ftp.cvshome.org/cvs-1.11.3/cederqvist-1.11.3.pdf <- This is the cvs bible - it was and still is very helpfull, at least for me
22:30 < Be-El> yeah... cvs rm and cvs commit...you need both
22:30 < tcr> hm
22:30 < tcr> i think i've done anything wrong. I havent comitted so far
22:31 < th> so you can still rm -rf and cvs up -d again
22:31 < tcr> ok
22:35 < tcr> cd base-config/ld.so ; rm *; cvs !! <- is that right? (assumed that CVSROOT etc is set properly)
22:35 < th> no
22:35 < th> you dont need to set CVSROOT btw
22:36 < th> and cvs !! replaces to cvs rm *
22:36 < th> andf that wont function
22:36 < th> cause files are already gone
22:36 < huebi> 22:22 < huebi> tcr: you need to name every single file with "cvs rm"
22:36 < th> so * doesnt match anything but CVS
22:36 < tcr> ough >_< yeah
22:36 < th> yu can rm [each filename] ; cvs !!
22:38 < th> ok
22:39 < th> i'm off again
22:39 < tcr> ah
22:39 < tcr> thanks
22:39 < huebi> cu th
22:39 < tcr> now just committing and everything is fine
22:39 < th> tcr: i still think your openssl update broke net-snmp
22:39 < th> tcr: current build seems to go fine
22:39 < th> tcr: (with downgraded openssl)
22:40 < th> i'll check that tomorrow
22:40 < huebi> th: net-snmp seems to be oputdated
22:40 < tcr> if it's just net-snmp, then nothing says against the update
22:41 < tcr> i think net-snmp should be fixable
22:41 < huebi> tcr: I update net-snmp to 5.0.6 or 5.0.7pre2
22:41 < th> a pre??
22:42 < snyke> hmm
22:42 < th> hmmm
22:42 < snyke> esden - fake?
22:42 < esden> snyke: ...
22:42 < snyke> ah
22:42 < th> anyways builds are running and i'm poff
22:42 < th> aehm
22:42 < th> s,poff,off,
22:42 < tcr> POFF - the magic dragon!!!
22:42 < huebi> th: gute Nacht
22:42 < huebi> :-)
22:42 < th> danke huebi
22:43 < esden> n8 th
22:43 < snyke> n8 th
22:43 < snyke> esden: query
22:50 < huebi> tcr: It seems that you have removed successfully ld.so in cvs
22:51 < tcr> i hope so
22:52 < tcr> writing an email now
22:59 < tcr> ok
23:02 < tcr> going sleeping now, gn8 all
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23:10 < rolla> re
23:12 < huebi> hi rolla
23:13 < rolla> how is it going? huebi
23:14 < huebi> rolla: fine. Today much work on 1.6 was done. I'll start a test build in aboiut an hour.
23:14 < rolla> cool
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23:29 < owl> re
23:29 < huebi> hi owl
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