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--- Log opened Sun Jan 12 00:00:03 2003 --- Day changed Sun Jan 12 2003 00:25 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.229] has joined #rocklinux 00:26 < demian> hi 00:26 < tcr> hi demian 00:26 < demian> could someone tell me a location to get mkdofs package ? drock's one is old :( 00:27 < fake> hi demian 00:27 < fake> tried on tuxfinder.com ? 00:27 < demian> k 00:29 < demian> this is lame, mkdofs cant format dos partitions bigger than 4290M 00:29 < tcr> muhahaha 00:29 < demian> :( 00:29 < demian> but windows can 00:29 < tcr> dude that's a restriction of the filesystem itself ? 00:30 < demian> but if i format from windows, linux cant read that partition :(, only if i format it with mkdosfs, win and linux can read it :( 00:30 < demian> dunno 00:30 < fake> demian: tcr is right 00:31 < fake> mkdosfs does the right thing 00:31 < demian> umm 00:31 < fake> by not allowing that. 00:31 < demian> then, i am unable to mount win partitions bigger than that amount ? 00:31 < tcr> demian: i guess windows automatecally convert them to fat32 00:31 < fake> usually not - the kernel drive should handle it 00:32 < demian> umm 00:32 < fake> driver, that is 00:32 < demian> mkdosfs -F 32 will help ? 00:32 < fake> *schulternzuck* 00:32 < tcr> shrugs ;) 00:33 < fake> no idea... you tell us ;) 00:33 < fake> the music on #WOPN is... pretty... err.. changing. 00:34 < demian> worked..but.. 00:34 < demian> -F FAT-size: 00:34 < demian> .... 00:34 < demian> Otherwise, it is normally not useful, as mkdosfs automatically selects the 00:34 < demian> preferred FAT size for your filesystem. 00:34 < demian> mkdofs man page 00:35 < fake> ... 00:35 < demian> i though mkdofs will do automatically conversion to fat32 cause fat16 doesnt work with smaller partitions. :/ 00:36 < fake> the fat size is selected based on the partition type? 00:36 < fake> might that be it? 00:36 < demian> it is lba 00:36 < fake> no, i mean the 'type' hex (83 linux, 82 linux-swap...) 00:37 < demian> win 95 fat 32 (lba) 00:37 < fake> hum, then it should be formatted as fat32... 00:37 < fake> strange. 00:37 < demian> with not lba enabled, same problem 00:37 < fake> (but who needs it - it's an old, out-dated filesystem...) 00:37 < fake> *g* 00:38 < demian> lol 00:38 < demian> sure 00:40 < demian> if i could.. i will do an umm... : for i in `fdisk -l | grep FAT32 | cut -d' ' -f 1` ; do mke2fs -j $i ; done.......... but my i share my computer with some windows boys 00:41 < fake> for guy in `ls -1 windowsboys/*' ; do dos2unix $guy ; done ; rm -rf windowsguys ; 00:41 < fake> err 00:41 < fake> rm -rf windowsboys ; 00:42 < demian> hehe :) 00:43 < tcr> hm 00:43 < tcr> <demian> but if i format from windows, linux cant read that partition :(, only if i format it with mkdosfs, win and linux can read it :( <-- i'd try to get this work 00:43 < tcr> if you just were not so spare with information, ... 00:43 < demian> yes... and i dunno why 00:44 < Be-El> demain: perhabs the windows format is creating a ntfs partition, and your linux kernel does not know how to handle ntfs 00:45 < demian> no!, it is fat32 /me using win98 00:45 < demian> :( 00:45 < Be-El> demian: does your kernel support fat32/vfat ? 00:47 < fake> well, that would be hard ;) 00:47 < Be-El> demian: cat /proc/filesystems 00:48 < demian> sure, i already have other fat32 partitions. but i wonder why i am able to read fat32 partitions formatted with mkdosfs and windows, but not partitions bigger than 4290M formatted only with windows (format d:..) . they work again when formatted with mkdosfs :s 00:49 < demian> hehe, dunt worry, i know how my kernel work ;) 00:52 < demian> umm, a cvs server wasnt nothing difficult as i though :/ 00:54 < fake> just an entry in /etc/inetd.conf and a cvs init, eh? ;) 00:56 < demian> umm.. i run it standalone, but ill try with inetd 00:56 < fake> oh, so no pserver, i assume ;) 00:57 < demian> setting CVS_RSH variable to 'ssh' will be only neccesary to force cvs transmissions to work under a ssh tunnel ? 00:58 < demian> 2401/tcp open cvspserver 01:03 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D972.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all") 01:03 < demian> is there a way to tell dyndns to update ur new ppp0 IP without access dyndns http page ? 01:04 < Be-El> demian: there's a perl script afaik 01:05 < demian> where could one get it ? 01:06 < Be-El> https://clients.dyndns.org/unix.php?service=dyndns 01:07 < demian> thanx 01:07 < rolla_rock> re 01:08 < demian> is there a way to avoid public to connect via telnet to my mail server (telnet mail 25) and send messages without authorization? 01:08 < rolla_rock> yes to turn off relay 01:08 < rolla_rock> what type of mail server do you run? 01:08 < demian> sebdmail 01:09 < rolla_rock> then it is easy to turn off 01:09 < demian> mail from: root@mail 01:09 < demian> rcpt to: x@mail.com 01:09 < demian> data 01:09 < demian> > this is lame :( 01:09 < demian> ^`D 01:09 < demian> relay-domains file ? 01:10 < rolla_rock> nope sendmail.cf 01:10 < Be-El> demian: either disable relaying (or restrict it to your internal network), or close the port on your firewall 01:10 < fake> then he ould not recieve mail 01:10 < demian> it will be 01:10 < fake> could 01:10 < demian> it will be public 01:11 < Be-El> hehe, ok, that's a point ;-) 01:11 < fake> no demian@my-own-server.dyndns.org then ;) 01:11 < demian> but i want to restringe not allowed users to connect to that port and play with my server 01:11 < demian> already exists as demian@demian.homelinux.net :) 01:12 < fake> there is no way to tell if a port is being connected by a hacker or a mailserver before the connection is established (perhaps maybe in /dev/future, but that's experimental ;) 01:12 < demian> rolla_rock: sendmail.cf .. how ? i try to never touch that file :p.. unless i know what i do 01:12 < rolla_rock> :) 01:12 < demian> :) 01:13 < fake> thus, packet filtering on sendmail ports is almost useless 01:13 < rolla_rock> what unix do you run? 01:13 < Be-El> demian: ok, use postfix 01:13 < fake> (except if you have a dmz - never accept mails from that range...) 01:14 < demian> ic 01:14 < fake> qmail ;) 01:14 < demian> exim ? 01:14 < demian> rolla_rock: linux 01:14 < rolla_rock> which one redhat rock, suse? 01:14 < fake> (the moment of truth..) 01:14 < fake> *grabs_knife* 01:15 < fake> j/k 01:16 < demian> umm 01:16 < demian> a rock 01:17 < fake> good man. 01:18 < fake> you know what is good for you, your health, your family and your charisma. 01:18 < rolla_rock> :) 01:19 < rolla_rock> fake how much do you know about alpha? 01:19 < fake> nothing to negative knowledge . i compensate that with mips knowledge ;P 01:20 < fake> no sorry, no idea about alpha. that piotr's toy ;) 01:20 < rolla_rock> dang 01:20 < fake> well, in fact there is something i know about alpha. 01:21 < rolla_rock> all the alpha boys are not around today 01:21 < fake> bathing an alpha in beer will not help. 01:21 < rolla_rock> :p 01:21 < fake> c'mon, relax. 01:21 < rolla_rock> yes fake that is why I send you the mips box and not the alpha 01:21 < demian> i left mips for a while.. a bit complicated for my current level :( 01:21 < fake> rolla_rock: i am at it right now 01:21 < fake> i finally found two patches for glib-2.3.1 that should make it compile 01:22 < rolla_rock> sweet 01:22 < fake> glibc 01:22 < rolla_rock> I want a picture of it running rock once it is there 01:22 < rolla_rock> I will put it on my website 01:22 < fake> yeah... and i got a cobalt raq2 from sun microsystems in addition to your fine challenge 01:22 < rolla_rock> coblat is mips? 01:22 < fake> rolla_rock: the picture would look no different - it has no gfx, remember.. ? 01:22 < rolla_rock> fake: wait till I get the rock alpha cluster going 01:23 < fake> rolla_rock: cobalt build the "2" series (Raq2/CacheRaq2/Qube2) with an R5000 01:23 < rolla_rock> obh right only serial console :( 01:23 < fake> but i might get a serial console to put ontop 01:23 < fake> ;) 01:24 < rolla_rock> I have one of those 01:24 < rolla_rock> it still have no other use 01:25 < fake> we have one here at bitz, too, i might lend it 01:25 < fake> borrow 01:25 < fake> not lend ;) 01:26 < rolla_rock> ;) 01:34 < rolla_rock> wie spaet ist es fake? 01:36 < fake> we germans are no longer allowed to talk german on the channel 01:36 < fake> but you may, of course ;) 01:36 < demian> lol 01:36 < rolla_rock> :p 01:37 < fake> and it's 01:35 here (sunday, A.M.) 01:37 < rolla_rock> wow 01:37 < rolla_rock> it is 18:35 01:40 < fake> well, then have a nice saturday evening ;) 01:40 < rolla_rock> thanks 01:40 < rolla_rock> I will 01:40 < rolla_rock> I must get a copy of a 1.7 ISO for my laptop 01:40 < demian> Sat Jan 11 18:41:31 01:41 < demian> day is only starting here ;-) 01:44 < demian> From: root <root@scar.evilsoft.co.cr> 01:44 < demian> Message-Id: <200301111838.h0BIcTLo001158@scar.evilsoft.co.cr> 01:44 < demian> X-Authentication-Warning: scar.evilsoft.co.cr: scar.evilsoft.co.cr [192.168.1.1] didn't use HELO protocol 01:44 < demian> Status: R 01:44 < demian> i ve hacked sendmail server :p 01:44 < demian> does this says it is a fake mail ? 01:45 < demian> could someone cause spam sending fake mails this way ? 01:46 < fake> spam can be sent if 01:46 < fake> i send a mail, sing your server as mailserver to someone else on another server. 01:46 < fake> we can try that, if you lik 01:46 < fake> like 01:47 < fake> ...using you server... 01:47 < fake> your 01:47 < fake> *argh* 01:47 < fake> (and that would also be _fake_ mails *g*) 01:48 < demian> yes 01:48 < demian> like this: 01:49 < demian> Connected to scar.evilsoft.co.cr. 01:49 < demian> Escape character is '^]'. 01:49 < demian> 220 scar.evilsoft.co.cr ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.5/8.12.5; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:49:27 -0600 01:49 < demian> mail from: root@demian.homelinux.net 01:49 < demian> 250 2.1.0 root@demian.homelinux.net... Sender ok 01:49 < demian> rcpt to: postmaster@demian.homelinux.net 01:49 < demian> 250 2.1.5 postmaster@demian.homelinux.net... Recipient ok 01:49 < demian> data 01:49 < demian> 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself 01:49 < demian> uve been hacked again 01:50 < demian> . 01:50 < demian> 250 2.0.0 h0BInRLo001180 Message accepted for delivery 01:50 < demian> EOF (sorry for flooding) 01:50 < demian> thos mails dunt affect me enought, but they could disturb some innocent users, that's why i want to avoid it 01:50 < fake> yeah, that should not be possible. 01:51 < demian> sendmail seems to be very flexible, there should be a way .. but im not so skilled with sendmail.cf 01:51 < fake> uh, me neither 01:52 < demian> :s 01:52 < demian> well, i have to leave. cya all, thanx a lot 01:53 < demian> mails answer: 01:53 < demian> X-Authentication-Warning: scar.evilsoft.co.cr: scar.evilsoft.co.cr [192.168.1.1] didn't use HELO protocol 01:53 < demian> Status: R 01:53 < demian> bye 01:53 < demian> uve been hacked again 01:53 < demian> :( 01:54 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.229] has left #rocklinux () 02:08 < fake> SMP: ping 02:10 < SMP> ack 02:10 < fake> SMP: good evening! 02:13 -!- Hipo [~hipo@dsl-hkigw4ne4.dial.inet.fi] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:51 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD95254C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 04:12 < fake> there should be spammer bountyhunts... 04:15 -!- iBook [~martin@pD9E7B4BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 06:13 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 07:08 -!- kasc [~kasc@p509096B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:14 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A8F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:21 -!- demian [~c428058a@196.40.30.180] has joined #rocklinux 09:29 -!- demian [~c428058a@196.40.30.180] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 09:44 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E490CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:13 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F920.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:16 < tcr> moin blindcoder 10:20 < blindcoder> moin tcr 10:22 < blindcoder> wow... according to mrtg I had 60 kB upstream not so long ago... 10:23 * tcr doing breakfast 10:33 < snyke> moin blindcoder 10:35 < blindcoder> hi snyke 10:51 < esden> morning 10:52 < blindcoder> moin esden 11:17 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E490CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 11:32 * blindcoder now testing XPde 11:42 < blindcoder> *ouch* 11:47 * blindcoder rates XPde as: Not yet usable 12:16 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813ED6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:16 < tcr> re 12:17 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802658.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:31 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p508021BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:37 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802658.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("leaving") 12:41 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802658.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:19 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@p50813CEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:21 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813ED6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: thalerim!~tobrit@p50813CEF.dip.t-dialin.net))) 13:21 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr 13:41 < esden> blindcoder: ping 13:45 < blindcoder> esden: pong 13:47 -!- juman [~juman@c213-89-200-180.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #rocklinux 13:47 < juman> Hello people... does anyone know where you could find a rescue iso? 13:48 < tcr> why rescue? 13:49 < juman> I want to build a rocklinux but fails to build in devfs in my kernel... 13:49 < tcr> yeah read your mail ;) 13:49 < juman> ;) 13:49 < tcr> what kernel are you using? 13:50 < juman> The latest the came with Redhat 8 and Slackware 8.1. I have to system but I am everything but a kernel guru... 13:51 < tcr> hmm adapting shouldnt actually be a problem 13:51 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD95223D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:51 < tcr> what have you tried? 13:51 < tcr> hi bluefire 13:52 < bluefire> moin moin 13:53 * blindcoder restarting his pppd 13:53 < juman> Well it was a couple of week ago and I tryed to follow some instructions on the web but they failed. So I put my ideas on using Rock on rest. But know I read about the rock-rescue and thought I could use it but I can't find any images of it? 13:55 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:55 < esden> re blindcoder 13:55 < blindcod1r> esden: re 13:56 < esden> blindcod1r: update your rock tree ... and uncomment the two pkg checking lines in nethack/config.in 13:56 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F920.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net))) 13:56 < esden> ;-) 13:56 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 13:56 < blindcoder> why? 13:57 < blindcoder> is it now done where it should be done? 13:57 < esden> yes 13:57 < blindcoder> good :) 13:57 < esden> with pkgcheck 13:57 < blindcoder> then I can also send the new licq Version in one update :) 13:57 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD958DA78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:58 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813CEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: thalerim!~tobrit@pD958DA78.dip.t-dialin.net))) 13:58 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr 13:58 < tcr> sorry juman :/ was thrown away 13:59 < tcr> haven't received any further messages by you 13:59 < juman> No problem... This was my last answer: Well it was a couple of week ago and I tryed to follow some instructions on the web but they failed. So I put my ideas on using Rock on rest. But know I read about the rock-rescue and thought I could use it but I can't find any images of it? 14:01 < tcr> juman: :) well let's do it together, if you dont mind 14:02 < juman> Not at all... but if you mean recompiling a kernel I have some work todo first cause I don't have the kernel source installed... 14:03 < tcr> another option would to install a precompiled rock from and iso firstly and then build it again 14:03 < tcr> *would be 14:04 < blindcoder> esden: !!!!!!!!!!!!!1 14:04 < blindcoder> esden: PING PING PING PING PING PING PING PING PING PINGPING PINGPING 14:04 < tcr> lol 14:04 < tcr> ;O 14:04 < juman> Ah... that could be useful. I have a ISO with rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.6.0pre3.iso but haven't understood how O should install it? 14:05 < tcr> :> 14:06 < tcr> decide what you want, kerneling or installing? 14:06 < juman> tcr: but a stupid question first. On the machine I thought of installing Rock the cdbooting doesn't work (some hardware problem) but the cd works. Do you if it is possible to put the iso filesystem on a floppy and boot the cd that way? 14:07 < tcr> yup, there is a way 14:07 < tcr> wait up please 14:07 < juman> tcr: sure... 14:07 < blindcoder> esden: !!! ANSWER ME, DAMMIT!!! 14:09 < tcr> juman: the guide has an own sub-chapter about this :) 14:11 < blindcoder> Tasks: 1125 total, 2 running, 105 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1018 zombie 14:11 < blindcoder> anyone else knows what to do? 14:11 < juman> Oh... I just realized I have been seraching in the guide as a PDF but the PDF isn't searchable which is way I haven't found anything. I'll fix that first... ;) 14:12 < tcr> blindcoder: lol!!! +++ 14:12 * blindcoder needs largo to hunt the Zombies... 14:12 < tcr> juman: 5. Install and there 2. Bootable Floppies 14:12 < tcr> blindcoder: search for the parent and kill it 14:14 < blindcoder> tcr: hmm... the parent died itself... and I found it was the new donitor because of mis-configuration 14:14 < tcr> blindcoder: fortunately zombies doesnt claum much memory ;) 14:14 < blindcoder> it didn't find /sbin/iptables and went haywire 14:15 < blindcoder> tcr: indeed *phew* 14:15 < blindcoder> that reminds me... 14:15 < tcr> blindcoder: well what parents do the zombie have now? 14:15 < blindcoder> Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 122988k cached 14:15 < tcr> all the same? 14:15 < blindcoder> yes, it's all forks from one process 14:16 < juman> tcr: Ok, thanks for your help so far... I'll go offline and test this out... Cheers! 14:16 -!- juman [~juman@c213-89-200-180.cm-upc.chello.se] has quit () 14:17 < tcr> blindcoder: so what parent do they have now? 14:17 < blindcoder> none, they died 14:18 < tcr> zombies actually have a ppid ... 14:18 < blindcoder> yes, but I could look at it fast enough... 14:18 < tcr> ? 14:18 < blindcoder> couldn't 14:19 < tcr> ah they're eliminated now? 14:19 < blindcoder> yes 14:20 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@p50813857.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:22 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958DA78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: thalerim!~tobrit@p50813857.dip.t-dialin.net))) 14:22 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr 14:22 < esden> blindcoder: pong 14:22 < tcr> fscking t-offline :( 14:23 < esden> sorry ... I was hunting ... 14:23 < esden> :-( 14:25 < blindcoder> esden: I just ahd a look at the sources of XPde 14:26 < blindcoder> esden: please try to guess the language they are written in... 14:34 < esden> ocaml ? 14:34 < blindcoder> PASCAL 14:34 < esden> ROFL 14:34 < esden> that is cool ! 14:34 < blindcoder> Well, hoestly I have no fscking idea how to compile this beast... 14:34 < tcr> https://www.apple.com/hardware/video/powerbookg4bigandsmall.html 14:34 < blindcoder> I couldn't find any instructions for it 14:34 < esden> blindcoder: so find out ;-) 14:34 < tcr> 17-inch notebook 14:35 < blindcoder> and yes, I know about freepascal 14:35 < esden> hmm ... that is more difficult 14:35 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off watching anime 14:37 < esden> have fun 14:45 * tcr brb 14:45 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813857.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 14:54 < fake> morgen 15:02 < esden> morgen fake 15:02 < fake> OH MY FUCKING GOD! 15:03 < fake> == 01:08:03 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.1 1.7-snapshot]. 15:03 < fake> == 01/12/03 11:26:51 =[0]=> Finished building package glibc. 15:03 < fake> IT BUILDS! 15:03 < fake> WEEEE! 15:04 * fake sending patches ;) 15:16 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E79D3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:17 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:40 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D675.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:43 < th> re 15:43 < th> huebi: pong 15:50 -!- Parabull_ [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 15:50 -!- Parabull_ [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit (Client Quit) 15:52 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:53 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 15:53 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit (Client Quit) 15:54 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 16:00 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-193.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:00 < holyolli> moin 16:01 < tcr> moin holyolli 16:01 < holyolli> hi tcr 16:02 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:03 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-193.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:03 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Client Quit) 16:03 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-193.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:04 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit ("Client Exiting") 16:05 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 16:09 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-193.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("X-Chat: Wouldn't it be great if the dog could walk itself?") 16:09 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit (Client Quit) 16:10 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 16:17 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-22-2-dialup-226.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 16:17 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-22-2-dialup-226.freesurf.ch] has quit (Client Quit) 16:24 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E79D3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:22 -!- [n00kie^away] [~n00kie@N304P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 17:22 < [n00kie^away]> Hi 17:22 < [n00kie^away]> Ich hab ne Frage =) 17:22 < owl> hi 17:22 < tcr> please speak english and i'll try to answer your question 17:22 < [n00kie^away]> ok :D 17:23 < [n00kie^away]> I wanna use rock linux 17:23 < tcr> fine 17:23 < [n00kie^away]> but 17:23 < [n00kie^away]> is rock linux hard to use (install,...) = 17:23 < [n00kie^away]> ? 17:24 < [n00kie^away]> is it like debian or harder? 17:24 < tcr> relatively, yes. It requires the user to have basic skills about unix systems, its usage and such stuff 17:24 < [n00kie^away]> ah o.O 17:25 < tcr> a pontial user should also know basics about shellscripting and about compiling 17:25 < [n00kie^away]> ahjo 17:25 < tcr> lol, debian ;). the installation is entering return 10times 17:25 < tcr> or 15 17:26 < tcr> dunno, never used it 17:26 < [n00kie^away]> German please :) 17:27 < tcr> :P ok dont mind 17:27 < tcr> was gibts`? 17:27 < [n00kie^away]> Also 17:27 < [n00kie^away]> ich bin noch relativ neu in Linux *g* 17:27 < [n00kie^away]> Und ich will ne "oesterreichische" Distri verwenden :D 17:28 < [n00kie^away]> Und da hat man mir Rock Linux inne Augen gerieben 17:28 < [n00kie^away]> nun will ichs verwenden 17:28 < tcr> rocklinux ist eine internationale distribution 17:28 < [n00kie^away]> aber vonnem oesterreicher 17:28 < [n00kie^away]> da mach ich mir net solche sorgen wegen scheiß pptp protokoll :) 17:28 < tcr> soweit wie ich es sehen kann, ist eigentlich nur der maintainer österreicher 17:28 < [n00kie^away]> jaja 17:28 < [n00kie^away]> mein ich ja :D 17:29 < tcr> ja, und? 17:29 < [n00kie^away]> isses schwer zu installieren? 17:30 < [n00kie^away]> also fuern normal menschen 17:30 < tcr> wenn du relativ neu bist im bezug auf linux, denk ich dass du mit rocklinux nicht viel freude haben wirst. Es sei denn du bist bereit viel zu lernen, und willst dazu rocklinux benutzen 17:30 < [n00kie^away]> lernen will ich schon :) 17:30 < [n00kie^away]> aber rock is doch net so ne distri wo ich 90% selbst coden muß ? 17:31 < tcr> nein, nur eine distri wo 90% schiefgehen kann ;))) 17:31 < [n00kie^away]> das macht nix 17:32 < [n00kie^away]> wie issn die installation den so ? 17:32 < [n00kie^away]> anwender freundlich? 17:32 < tcr> alles ist relativ ;) 17:33 < tcr> aber nein, eigentlich nicht 17:33 < [n00kie^away]> hmm 17:33 < [n00kie^away]> Gibts da ein Anwender Handbuch? 17:33 < tcr> du musst eben recht viel selbst machen 17:33 < tcr> ja 17:34 < tcr> https://www.rocklinux.de/guide.html 17:34 < [n00kie^away]> In Deutsch? 17:34 < tcr> nö 17:35 < [n00kie^away]> https://www.rocklinux.de/people/mike/doc/guide/GUIDE.html 17:35 < [n00kie^away]> yeah 17:35 < [n00kie^away]> ich kann spanisch 17:35 < [n00kie^away]> :/ 17:35 < tcr> englisch ist oben drüber 17:36 < tcr> ist nur keine html version da im moment 17:36 < [n00kie^away]> aso 17:37 < [n00kie^away]> is rock linux linux zum selber bauen ? 17:37 < tcr> jap 17:39 < [n00kie^away]> Welche Distribution ist dann fuer nen "Fortgeschrittenen Anfaenger" zu empfehlen? 17:40 < tcr> mhm. keine ahnung. was verwendest du denn derzeit? 17:40 < [n00kie^away]> Debian 17:40 < tcr> und was spricht dagegen? 17:41 < [n00kie^away]> Ich will was schwereres 17:41 < [n00kie^away]> Aber nicht zu schwer =) 17:41 < [n00kie^away]> bzw. was neues testen 17:41 < [n00kie^away]> Jeder hat Debian 17:41 < [n00kie^away]> ich will was haben was nicht jeder hat :) 17:41 < [n00kie^away]> Irgend so eine Distri die keiner kennt =) 17:42 < [n00kie^away]> Oder einfach gesagt - Eine die etwas schwerer als Debian is :) 17:43 < tcr> tjoa 17:43 < tcr> gentoo ist auch ne source distro wie rocklinux, aber mittlerweile auch im dicksten mainstream 17:44 < [n00kie^away]> Gentoo saugt ja die halbe Distri waehrend der installation 17:44 < [n00kie^away]> und da mach ich mir sorgen wegen dem pptp protokoll 17:44 < [n00kie^away]> das wird von nahezu keiner distri unterstuetzt o.O 17:45 < tcr> ?? 17:45 < [n00kie^away]> pptp = oesterreichisches dsl protkoll 17:45 < [n00kie^away]> glaub ich O.O 17:45 < tcr> lol 17:45 < [n00kie^away]> jo 17:45 < tcr> pptp = Point to Point Tunneling Protocol 17:45 < [n00kie^away]> is 17:46 < [n00kie^away]> genau :) 17:46 < [n00kie^away]> wie is eigentlich lsf ? 17:46 < [n00kie^away]> lfs 17:46 < [n00kie^away]> hat mir auch einer in meine offenen wunden gerieben 17:46 < tcr> bestimmt mühsam 17:47 < tcr> obwohl 17:47 < tcr> das ist mittlerweile auch nur noch scripts ausführen 17:47 < tcr> und fertig 17:47 < owl> tcr: scripts? das ist docu lesen und per hand bauen... und verzweifeln, weil z.t. die docu kleine fehler zu enthalten scheint 17:48 < tcr> achwas, da gibts auch so komische scripts 17:48 < owl> du verkohlst mich? oder bin ich blind? 17:48 < tcr> kann da nur relata refero 17:48 < tcr> hab nie was anderes als rocklinux gehabt ;->>>> 17:48 < [n00kie^away]> warum sollte ich eigentlich am anfang englisch reden O.O 17:49 < tcr> weil das ein englischer channel ist 17:49 < [n00kie^away]> toll 17:49 < [n00kie^away]> und alles deutsche 17:49 < owl> weil dann andere leute (nicht deuschtsprechende) in den logs nachlesen koennen 17:49 < owl> nein, nicht alles 17:49 < owl> -s 17:51 < [n00kie^away]> hmm 17:51 < [n00kie^away]> Ich dachte da gibts auch so n installations manager wo man alles einrichten kann 17:52 < tcr> teils teils 17:53 < [n00kie^away]> ich will doch nur ne gute distri haben :( 17:53 < tcr> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/Rock-1.6.x/Rock-1.6.0-pre3/rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.6.0pre3.iso 17:53 < tcr> du kannst's ja einfach mal versuchen 17:53 < tcr> das ist jetzt eine präkompilierte ISO 17:54 < [n00kie^away]> also 17:54 < [n00kie^away]> reinschieben 17:54 < [n00kie^away]> neu starten 17:54 < [n00kie^away]> installieren 17:54 < [n00kie^away]> fertig =) ? 17:54 < tcr> ja 17:55 < [n00kie^away]> ich werds demnaechst mal versuchen 17:58 < rolla_rock> re 17:59 < owl> hi rolla_rock 18:00 < tcr> rolla_rock rocls da house! 18:00 < [n00kie^away]> ist freebsd schwer? 18:00 * rolla_rock is still fighting with rock on alpha :( 18:00 < owl> rolla_rock: still fighting with the same problems you already had yesterday? 18:00 < tcr> hmm. rolla_rock :/ 18:01 < tcr> [n00kie^away]: ich bekennder linux fanatiker. bsd ist nicht. 18:01 < owl> [n00kie^away]: bsd insgamt bedeutet afaik viel mehr per hand editieren als bei linux 18:01 < rolla_rock> yup 18:01 < [n00kie^away]> ahjo 18:01 < [n00kie^away]> also kein bsd =) 18:01 < rolla_rock> I can't find any of the people that can help me :( 18:01 < owl> [n00kie^away] == faul ? 18:02 < tcr> rolla_rock: :) i dont know about alpha, but what's your problem anyway? :) 18:02 < [n00kie^away]> Ja los, reib mir noch mehr Salz in meine offenen Wunden :-( 18:02 < tcr> rolla_rock: hmm, perhaps mike could help you ?! 18:02 < rolla_rock> nope 18:02 < owl> [n00kie^away]: haha. pech gehabt. 18:02 < rolla_rock> he does not know much about MILO and aboot 18:03 < tcr> rolla_rock: what's about holyolli ? isnt he the maintainer of the alpha port 18:04 < rolla_rock> yes he is the one I cannot find online 18:04 < tcr> just send him an email then :) 18:09 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p5080220D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:13 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802658.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:19 < rolla_rock> tcr thanks for the idea 18:19 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p5080220D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("BRK..") 18:43 -!- [n00kie^away] is now known as [n00kie] 19:10 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD958D664.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:10 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D675.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: thalerim!~tobrit@pD958D664.dip.t-dialin.net))) 19:10 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr 19:15 < fake> == 01/12/03 18:57:50 =[1]=> Finished building package gcc3. 19:16 < fake> wee... 19:21 -!- [n00kie] is now known as [n00kie^away] 19:27 -!- [n00kie^away] is now known as [n00kie] 19:27 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-34.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:28 < holyolli> moin 19:28 < tcr> holyolli: !!! rolla_rock was needing you :) 19:28 < holyolli> hi tcr 19:28 < owl> hi holyolli 19:28 < holyolli> hi owl 19:28 < tcr> i suggested him to write an email to you :) received one? 19:28 < holyolli> erm 19:29 * holyolli is just checking emails... 19:29 < holyolli> ;) 19:31 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B081.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:31 < tsa> hi 19:31 < holyolli> huhu tsa 19:31 < tcr> hi tsa 19:32 < tsa> anyone familar with operating systems / IPC ? 19:33 * tsa trying to find out what spinlocks are and how/what for they are used. 19:34 < tcr> hmm 19:34 < tcr> depends.. 19:34 < owl> hi tsa 19:35 < esden> puhh ... another dietlibc target patch bunch sent 19:36 < esden> now dietlibc target compiles till stage 2 !!! 19:36 < esden> ;-) 19:37 < tcr> tsa: whats your problem? 19:40 < tsa> tcr: no problem, just trying to learn 19:40 < tsa> are spinlocks available in userspace or just in kernelspace? 19:41 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:42 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:43 < esden> tsa: they are only avalable in the kernel sapace AFAIK 19:45 < esden> spinlocks have been introduced because of preemptyty .. as far as I know 19:45 < tsa> i see, ok - so is it correct to understand spinlocks as a very basic means of locking that might be used to implement higher level locking mechnisms such as mutexes, rwlocks etc..? 19:46 < esden> hmm ... this is something that I do not know 19:46 < tsa> hehe..ok ;) 19:47 < tcr> tsa: a spin-lock is nothing else than a mutex 19:47 < esden> but I know that it is needed so that a program can be interupted (for example when a higher priority process has something to do) even if it is in kernel mode 19:47 < tcr> and rw-locks are an alternative to spin-lock but arent based upon them 19:48 < esden> that is how I understood what spinlocks are for ... but I would not give my head for it 19:50 < tcr> esden: spinlocks are actually just for interprocess communication. The critical code area could only be executed by the process that "have the spinlock", all other have to wait 19:52 < esden> yes but that is because spin-lock is a mutex ... but there were mutexes in the kernel space already ... or am I mixing something up ? 19:53 < esden> and spinlocks must have something special about them otherwise they would not be added to the kernel 19:53 < tcr> hmm. that was originally handled by clearing the interruptflags of the cpu, so no other interrupt than NMI (that indicated bad RAM) could interrupt the execution of the critical area 19:54 < tcr> but this technique has got some disadvanted, for instance clearing and restoring the flags is relatively ressource intensive 19:54 < tcr> and can not be used on SMP (dont ask me why though) 19:55 < tcr> that's why spinlocks do the job now 19:56 < esden> ahh ... ok 19:56 < tsa> tcr: hm....there seem to be two different implementations, spin_lock and spin_lock_irqsave 19:57 < tcr> hm. a slightly difference 19:57 < tcr> slight 19:58 < tcr> spin_lock_irqsave saves the interruptstatus before locking, and unlock_irqrestore resets it after unlocking... i guess 19:58 < tsa> whereas spin_lock / spin_unlock doesn't affect irq's at all? 19:59 < tcr> yeah, i think so 20:00 < tsa> so what might happen if spin_lock(&lock) was jsut executed and an irq takes place? 20:00 < tsa> dead-/live-lock? 20:02 < tcr> hm 20:02 < tcr> actually not 20:02 < blindcoder> rehi 20:03 < owl> re blindcoder 20:03 < tcr> to prevent a deadlock the spin_lock_irqsave and its unlock counter part has been implemented 20:03 < tcr> because.. 20:04 < tsa> well....if the interrupt handler tries spin_lock(&lock), too, this would probably be a problem.. 20:04 < tcr> spin-locks are supposed to be used even in interrupthandlers, and if in an interrupthandler a spin_lock was set, and still while executing the same interrupt occurs, it would wait until the set spin_lock is unset, which would never occur 20:05 < tsa> ack. 20:05 < tsa> typical dead-lock, then. 20:06 < tcr> spin_lock_irq() seems to to lock interrupts 20:07 < tcr> and to guarantee that after unlocking the same interrupthandler is there before locking there are spin_lock_irqsave and _unlock_irqrestore 20:07 < tsa> hm...is there any online documentation available about these kernel-funtions? 20:07 < tcr> yes. from anywhere I got my knowledge about them ;) but dont ask from where.. 20:07 < tsa> hehe 20:08 < tsa> hm...did anyone ever try the O(1)-scheduler for linux? 20:09 < tcr> have been using 2.5 for long time 20:09 < tsa> i'm using it for 2 days now and it "seems" to be a little better than the vanilla kernel, but i can't prove that, of course 20:09 < tsa> hm...didn't try 2.5 so far 20:10 < tsa> is it worth a try? 20:10 -!- [n00kie] is now known as [n00kie^away] 20:10 < tcr> well, i tried on my development box (== not that bad if it entirely screws up) only for a very short time 2.4 20:11 < tcr> and actually a hacked 2.4 with a backport of the o(1) scheduler 20:11 < tcr> so i actually cant tell any differences 20:11 < tsa> hm..ok 20:11 < tcr> but 2.5 got very cool features 20:12 < tcr> and ext3-dxdirs/htree is /so/ delicious 20:12 < tcr> i won't ever miss it 20:13 < tsa> hehe 20:15 < tsa> hm...semaphores seem to be implemented using spinlocks.. 20:17 < tsa> btw...is there any reason why i can't "construct" my own semaphore with a counter variable protected by a mutex? 20:18 < tcr> don't want to bother me with that 20:18 * tcr is watching tv now ;) 20:22 * blindcoder now going to bed 20:22 < blindcoder> bye 20:23 < tcr> gn8 20:51 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:00 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:13 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:17 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D664.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 21:18 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D007.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:19 -!- [n00kie^away] [~n00kie@N304P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("[gF]iRC v.o.7.9-1 - mIRC6.o3") 21:42 -!- tsa_ [~tsa@pD9525AEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:42 < tsa_> grmpf. 21:42 < tsa_> lockup. 21:42 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B081.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: tsa_!~tsa@pD9525AEF.dip.t-dialin.net))) 21:42 -!- tsa_ is now known as tsa 22:25 < owl> gn8 22:25 < holyolli> n8 owl 22:33 < esden> argh .. I am so stupid 22:33 < esden> I AM SO STUPID 22:34 < esden> there is a way to indicate the order of parse-config files ! 22:37 < tcr> you are so stupid! 22:39 < esden> I should have read the parse-config file creation in Create-Tools before I wrote the e-mail ... 22:51 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-34.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:52 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-34.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:52 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-34.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Client Quit) 23:11 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D007.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 23:33 < esden> yess yess yess !!! binutils are compiling in stage 2 !!! 23:33 < esden> weee ! 23:36 -!- Minemonic [~kako@cm-net-poa-C8B024FE.brdterra.com.br] has joined #rocklinux 23:36 < esden> hi Minemonic 23:37 < Minemonic> hi 23:38 < Minemonic> esden: What source distro is better: Gentoo, Rock or Lunar? 23:41 < esden> rock is not really a source distro 23:41 < esden> it is a distribution build kit 23:41 < esden> Many people use Gentoo ... I have tested it ... and was not overwhelmed with it 23:42 < esden> i have never tested lunar because it always needed a lot of ram 23:42 < esden> but I do not know how it is about it today 23:43 < esden> but I use the generic target of rocklinux and it I love it 23:44 < esden> it is very clean and easy to administrate 23:44 < esden> I would not exchange it for lunar or Gentoo 23:45 < esden> they are much to overpatched 23:45 < Minemonic> So Rock is like LFS? 23:45 < esden> no 23:45 < esden> it has nothing to do with LFS 23:46 < Minemonic> What type of packages i have with rock? 23:46 < esden> it is a framework to create a distribution you like using a menu ... but you do not have to compile everything by hand ... and you get ready to boot and install , binary cd's when you are ready with a build 23:47 < esden> Minemonic: what do you mean with type ? 23:47 < Minemonic> All right, now i understand 23:48 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:48 < Minemonic> is not necessary to compile a kernel? 23:49 * -> esden is currently building a ROCK target (distribution) that uses dietlibc instead of glibc ... that are things that you can not do with any "distribution" 23:49 < esden> you are encouraged to compile and install your own kernel when you are ready with the insatll of a rocklinux distribution ... but it is not forced 23:51 < Minemonic> It's possible to install rock from other distro like redhat? 23:52 < esden> yes ... but it is better you do not try to compile rock on it ... because it will need some hacking 23:52 < esden> when you have redhat it is better you get a binary cd of a rock flavour and istall it 23:52 < esden> you can later compile your own rock version on this 23:53 < esden> I only know that it is possible to compile rock on debian without much effort ... but about redhat and other distributions i have no information 23:54 < Minemonic> thanks esdn 23:55 < Minemonic> i start download the binary cd now! 23:55 < esden> hehe ;-) 23:55 < rolla_rock> re 23:55 < esden> re rolla_rock 23:56 < esden> Minemonic: this will be usefull: https://iso.rocklinux.de/ 23:58 < Minemonic> esden: great! --- Log closed Mon Jan 13 00:00:21 2003