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01:01 < esden> good night everybody
01:08 < Minemonic> good night esden
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02:52 < tsa> n8
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07:49 < blindcoder> moin
09:17 < owl> hi
09:18 < blindcoder> hi owl
09:18 < blindcoder> *argh* I hate paperwork
09:19 < owl> i hate work...
09:19 < owl> :P
09:19 < blindcoder> I need a whole day now just for "Zeiterfassung" begause I need to do it twice
09:19 < owl> wah. have fun with it
09:20 < blindcoder> heh. thanks
09:20 < owl> see it the positive way. you have work.
09:21 < blindcoder> did you get laid off yet?
09:21 < owl> not yet
09:21 < blindcoder> do you know you WILL get?
09:21 < owl> but... hm. this current situation isn't fun too
09:22 < owl> nope. i know nothing. that's one of the most stupid things...
09:22 < blindcoder> sure...
09:22 < owl> everything is shit. i'm soooo amused
09:22 < owl> *cry*
09:24 < owl> *argh* wtf isn't this stupid dhcp server running correct? dammit
09:24 < blindcoder> cause it's stupid :)
09:25 < owl> because it's running under win?
09:25 < owl> and hates my linux? *grrrr*
09:26 < blindcoder> for example
09:28 < owl> aah... better :)
09:33 < fake> damn it
09:33 < fake> chroot: cannot execute bin/bash: Exec format error
09:34 < blindcoder> hi fake
09:35 < owl> moin fake
09:57 < esden> hi all
09:57 < owl> hi esden
09:57 < esden> *sigh* I once more have done junk >_< ... I hope this time I get a reply to my proposal ...
09:58 < blindcoder> hi esden
09:58 < esden> hi owl, blindcoder, fake 
10:00 < blindcoder> brb
10:04 < blindcoder> back
10:04 < blindcoder> damn. How I hate cleaning up after other people's mess
10:16 < esden> ahh good he answered !
10:17 < blindcoder> who?
10:57 < esden> cliff
10:58 < blindcoder> ic
10:59 < esden> I have to test some things ... because I think that he is not correct with his argumentation
11:00 < blindcoder> mhm
11:01 < esden> hmm ... I think I will write the CHANGELOG entry by myself the next time ...
11:04 < esden> blindcoder: have you submitted the progressmeter cp patch to the developers ?
11:04 < blindcoder> no...
11:04 < esden> why ?
11:04 < blindcoder> because I don't think that would be a good idea...
11:05 < esden> why ?
11:05 < blindcoder> It's an evil hack and lacks testing, debugging and documentation
11:05 < blindcoder> for example: `install` will display the progress bar also and I don't know why
11:05 < esden> because install uses the same routine
11:06 < blindcoder> yes, but the routtine depends on a variable being set to 1 and that doesn't happen with install
11:06 < blindcoder> so it shouldn't display the bar but it does so nonetheless
11:07 < esden> but it seems to happen that the variable is set to 1
11:07 < esden> you missed something
11:07 < blindcoder> yes. but I don't know why
11:07 < blindcoder> I inserted the variable to a struct that holds all CL-Parameters
11:08 < blindcoder> then, if there is a Parameter -D I set it to one
11:08 < blindcoder> It defaults to 0
11:08 < blindcoder> and if that var is != 0 then I display the bar
11:08 < esden> perhups -D is a parameter to install ...
11:08 < blindcoder> I don't know how or why install touches that var. It doesn't even KNOW about it since  I insterted that checking only to cp and mv
11:08 < esden> ehhm ... is the variable being initialized somewhere ?
11:08 < blindcoder> yes it is
11:09 < esden> so try to change the check to == 1 
11:10 < blindcoder> I can try, but that's not the problem
11:10 < blindcoder> the problem is install touching that var
11:10 < esden> and next thing would be to add a debug print that outputs the value of the variable
11:10 < esden> and insert the print in many places
11:10 < esden> with some time you find the place where something goes wrong
11:12 < blindcoder> cat copy.c | while read line ; do echo "fprintf(stderr, 'DEBUG: dots: %i\n', x->showDots);\n$line\n"; done
11:12 < blindcoder> :)
11:12 < esden> yes something like this ;-)
12:01 < aszlig> rehi
12:01 * aszlig has something to complain about :)
12:02 < aszlig> blindcoder: single quotes are for char *gg*
12:03 < aszlig> /* end of "i-want-to-complain-for-unimportant-things" */
12:03 < esden> aszlig: you wanted only say something ... right ?
12:03 < aszlig> erm...
12:04 < aszlig> yes :)
12:04 < aszlig> *gg*
12:04 < esden> well done ;-)
12:04 < aszlig> hrm, have to finish rockstrap...
12:05 < aszlig> but i have already finished it :(
12:05 < aszlig> thats bad...
12:05 < aszlig> i'm searching for something to implement so that it won't look so tiny...
12:05 < aszlig> *grml*
12:08 < aszlig> what could i implement?
12:08 < aszlig> i wrote some functions for better security during the build and some checking (eg: free space)...
12:30 < esden> aszlig: submit it ...
12:34 < aszlig> grml..
12:34 < aszlig> it looks so small...
12:35 < aszlig> i try to look for something i could implement..
12:35 < aszlig> s/^i/i'll/
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12:59 < Be-El> hi ppl
12:59 < owl> hi Be-El
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13:36 < blindcoder> rehi
13:36 < Be-El> hi blindcoder
13:37 < blindcoder> hi Be-El
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14:32 < rolla> re
14:35 < esden> re rolla 
14:35 < rolla> :)
14:36 < esden> I am still waiting for your answer ;-)
14:36 < rolla> answer to what?
14:36 < fake> chroot: cannot execute bin/bash: Exec format error
14:36 < fake> damn it
14:36 < rolla> :p
14:36 < fake> what's wrong?
14:37 < esden> fake: no idea ...
14:37 < rolla> esden: that was another irc session so you will have to ask the question again sorry
14:37 < esden> rolla: if you want the whole image or only the kernel ...
14:37 < esden> I know that the iso is bootable
14:38 < esden> and that you can install an alpha from it
14:38 < rolla> the whole image please :)
14:38 < esden> ok ...
14:39 < esden> do you have an (s)ftp I can put it on or should I put it smewhere up for you ?
14:39 < fake> alpha is alive again...
14:39 < fake> hp will release a machine tomorrow
14:39 < esden> fake: url ?
14:39 < rolla> :)
14:39 < fake> slashdot.org
14:39 < fake> ;)
14:41 < fake> bash: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, mips-1 MIPS R3000_BE, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
14:41 < fake> why mips1??
14:41 < fake> argh
14:42 < esden> fake: ahh now I see ... thanks
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14:45 < blindcoder> fsck. fsck. fsck
14:45 < esden> o_O
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14:46 < blindcoder> I need an idea...
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14:46 < blindcoder> and I don't get one...
14:48 < SLACKo> does rocklinux use tthe same linux kernel?
14:48 < fake> no, we have developed another linux kernel, and call it linux too. of course it does.
14:49 < SLACKo> :)
14:49 < SLACKo> no minor modifications?
14:49 < fake> ;)
14:49 < blindcoder> SLACKo: what's the difference between a duck?
14:49 < fake> well, some patches
14:49 < fake> all collected in /usr/src/rock-patches
14:49 < SLACKo> ah..ic
14:49 < SLACKo> interesting
14:50 < SLACKo> so what's the hardest part in doing a distribution?
14:50 < fake> just minor things
14:50 < fake> assembling all bits so it works on all target machines...
14:51 < SLACKo> isn't that mostly kernel related?
14:51 < fake> and Always Doing The Right Thing(TM)
14:52 < fake> SLACKo: think silo/grub/lilo/dvhtool, think 32 / 64 bit...
14:55 < SLACKo> oh ic
14:55 < SLACKo> that's cool
14:57 < SLACKo> may I ask a question that might not be very technical?:)
14:58 < fake> go ahead
14:59 < SLACKo> ok
14:59 < SLACKo> how did you get co-sponsored by IBM?
15:01 < fake> we are also co-sponsored by sun microsystems - they both donated us a machine
15:01 < fake> ibm an r6000 something i-dont-know-a-bit-about-powerpc
15:01 < fake> and sun a cobalt cacheraq2 for the mipsport
15:02 < fake> but we are not really getting paid by them... iunfortunatelty.... not.... YET ;))
15:02 < SLACKo> hehe
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15:02 < SLACKo> but like how did you convince them to donate?
15:03 < fake> we... asked?
15:03 < SLACKo> is it that easy?:)
15:03 < fake> i just walked up to the ssun  microsystems booth and talked to a guy there and he, well, he said it could be possible
15:04 < fake> (on linuxtag 2001)
15:04 < fake> 2002
15:04 < fake> whatever
15:04 < fake> and half a year later i had that machine.
15:05 < fake> i don't know how clifford exactly got his powerpc
15:05 < fake> compaq also showed interest in donating us an alpha machine (a big one, a heavy one, as i remember ;) but they midorganized it
15:05 < fake> mis=organised
15:05 < rolla> fake: sweet
15:06 < fake> but esden still has that machine's harddrives ;))
15:06 < SLACKo> that's interesting :)
15:07 < fake> that was a year before.. lxtag 2001.
15:07 < fake> they lended us the machine for the time of that convention
15:07 < fake> and we wanted to keep it *g*
15:08 < esden> they lended us a DS20 with one processor
15:08 < esden> and 4 harddrives
15:08 < fake> hehe, he knows it best
15:08 < esden> I can not more remember how big the drives were
15:09 < SLACKo> and they don't get anything in return?
15:09 < esden> (I do not have them at the moment ... ripclaw is always forgetting to give them back to me)
15:09 < fake> they get support for that machine... that's the idea
15:09 < esden> yes that is it
15:09 < fake> they give us hardware, and we give knowledge back to the community
15:10 < SLACKo> ah ic
15:12 < esden> SLACKo: may I ask why are you asking ?
15:12 < SLACKo> I was thinking of doing a linux distribution with some friends
15:13 < fake> are you the CEO of a big hardware/software vendor and want to pay us?
15:13 < SLACKo> at college
15:13 < fake> *g*
15:13 < fake> oh.
15:13 < SLACKo> as graduation project
15:13 < fake> well, almost as good, as long as you use rock ;)
15:13 < fake> (rock is a distribution build kit...)
15:14 < SLACKo> unfortunately  not fake :)
15:15 < SLACKo> maybe I should try to go to IBM and ask for donations
15:15 < SLACKo> I bet they will kick me out :)
15:17 < SLACKo> it's worth a try anyway
15:17 < esden> clifford got his hardware asking IBM at linuxtag 2000
15:17 < SLACKo> heh
15:17 < esden> when you are a ROCKLinux core developer it can happen that they give you hardware
15:17 < SLACKo> but like how did they trust him?
15:18 < SLACKo> he must had friends in IBM or something?
15:18 < esden> we had our booth there
15:18 < esden> since 1999
15:18 < esden> every year
15:18 < fake> and we have a supercool distro ;)
15:18 < fake> and the best (aehaehm) distribution build kit
15:18 < esden> and we could show that we are doing something ... and that we introduce a very new technology
15:19 < esden> that has a big future
15:19 < SLACKo> ah ic
15:20 * -> esden calling ripclaw
15:20 * -> esden be back in ... say ... an hour ... ;-)
15:20 < SLACKo> cool :)
15:21 < fake> SLACKo: in short terms: because we are cool ;)
15:21 < fake> j/k
15:21 < SLACKo> hehe
15:21 < SLACKo> I noticed;)
15:22 < SLACKo> okay thanks guys for the info
15:22 < SLACKo> :)
15:22 < fake> you're always welcome.
15:22 < SLACKo> nice talking to you :)
15:22 < fake> dito.
15:24 < fake> (i am such an idiot... such an indescribably great idiot... i built for a week... just to notice that i need Little Endian code - not Big Endian...... arghl...)
15:24 < fake> damn mipsen ;)
15:24 < fake> however, the ability to change endianess has it's advantages.
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15:27 < esden> fake: you can switch the endianess in the cobalt box ?
15:28 < esden> ok ... ripclaw will give the disks back to me ... but when is the question ... _><
15:28 < fake> no, because i can't rewrite the 'firmware' (because i am too stupid and lack the eeprom programmer ;)
15:28 < fake> greetz to him!
15:28 < esden> eeprom burner is the easiest thing to get ;-)
15:29 < fake> but nonstupidness is hard to aquire
15:29 < esden> too late ... I have finischet with him already ;-)
15:29 < fake> aw.
15:29 < fake> next time, then
15:29 < esden> yo will do
15:31 < blindcoder> esden: huebi had to wail for his disk for a while, too, IIRC
15:34 < esden> yes ... but I wait longer for the disks then huebi had to wait for his disk ... I wait since second half of 2001 for them ...
15:35 < esden> and huebi since half a year or so
15:38 < blindcoder> hmm... okay...
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15:40 < holyolli> moin
15:40 < blindcoder> mein holyolli
15:41 < holyolli> oh..mein gebieter blindcoder, ich gruesse dich...
15:41 < holyolli> ;)
15:41 < holyolli> .oO(was man aus wortdrehern alles machen kann...)
15:41 < blindcoder> hehe
15:43 < holyolli> Be-El?
15:44 < rolla> holyolli:
15:44 < holyolli> hi rolla
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15:48 < esden> hi holyolli 
15:49 < holyolli> hi esden
15:50 < esden> holyolli: I am giving rolla the iso we have used on linuxtag to install my natalie (alpha machine) because he is having problems with the image you gave him
15:50 < esden> and I can remember you said back then that you have problems using the defauld kernel
15:50 < esden> s/defauld/default/
15:50 < holyolli> esden: thats right, but the problem with the 'original' kernel was that it didn't run on smp machines
15:51 < esden> hmm ... yes
15:51 < holyolli> esden: the image i gave to rolla is (regarding the kernel) the same as the one from linuxtag
15:51 < holyolli> rolla: but i can compile a newer kernel, if you want to
15:51 < holyolli> esden: btw. glibc sucks...! ;-)
15:51 < rolla> hmm
15:52 < esden> but we used my kernel ... you can perhups remember esdenimage-2.4.17 and holyolliimage-2.4.17 ?
15:52 < holyolli> jepp
15:53 < esden> the esden image was working ;-) and holyolli was not working on my machine ... and IIRC it was because the second one could not access the cdrom ...
15:53 < holyolli> esden: ah - i didn't knew that
15:54 < holyolli> esden: but i have a patch that smp alphas will work with the kernel
15:54 < esden> that is very good ... but I do not have a smp alpha to test on :-( ... and I think rolla nither 
15:55 * blindcoder now going home
15:55 < blindcoder> baba
15:55 < rolla> that is correct only single psr alpha's
15:55 < esden> cu blindcoder 
15:55 < holyolli> cu blindcoder
15:55 < holyolli> hm. is the cvs server down...?
15:55 < holyolli> rocklinux.de: Connection refused
15:56 < esden> this image looks funny ;-) : http://www.sunshine-live.de/img/Baby_k.jpg
15:56 < esden> holyolli: dunno
16:00 < esden> ok ... mail sent to clifford ... describing the gcc3 problem. I hope it is clear now.
16:09 < Be-El> re
16:10 < holyolli> hi bl
16:10 < Be-El> according to german law, how many years do i have to stay in jail for slaying users ?
16:11 < holyolli> hehe
16:17 < rolla> holyolli: are you saying that I do not need to have the iso from esden ?
16:18 < holyolli> rolla: i think so...but if it's no prob for you, just download it and try it also
16:19 < holyolli> rolla: but i think another kernel (especially esdenkernel-2.4.17) will help more
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16:19 < holyolli> hola Mike1
16:19 < Mike1> greetings @ all.
16:19 < Be-El> hi mike
16:19 < Mike1> hola holy :)
16:19 < rolla> holyolli: okay
16:20 < Mike1> rolla are ur alphas rocked already?
16:20 * holyolli is just rebooting...brb
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16:25 * -> esden trying to revive natalie ...
16:31 < rolla> Mike1: nope
16:31 < rolla> had some issues over the weekend
16:32 < rolla> maybe by wensday
16:32 < Mike1> mmm...
16:32 < Mike1> ok
16:33 < Mike1> wakeup natalie!!!
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16:38 < Mike1> Please Guys have a look at http://www.linux.edu/
16:38 < rolla> esden: what kind of alpha is natalie?
16:38 < Mike1> if you like Join
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16:40 < esden> rolla: a pws 433
16:40 < LocalHero> Hi all :)
16:40 < esden> hi LocalHero 
16:41 < esden> hi Mike1 !!!
16:41 < LocalHero> Could anybody answear some questions about grub. Im used to lilo and now im handling this redhat installation that uses grub :(
16:41 < rolla> :)
16:41 < rolla> grub looks cool but it is a pain in the butt
16:41 * -> esden has never really used grub ... at least not yet ;-)
16:43 < rolla> grub is very cool looking but I had trouble making it work
16:44 < fake> grub syntax: lilo
16:44 < fake> ;-)
16:47 < esden> ok natalie back online ... getting 1.7 cvs data
16:48 < Mike1> LocalHero: redhat gives you the option to install grub or lilo you can choose
16:51 < owl> <-- driving home
16:51 < owl> cu later.
16:53 < LocalHero> Mike1, i know, just dont want to play around with it to much
16:53 < Mike1> what do you want to run grub or lilo?
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16:55 < ACEAlex> But the root=LABEL=/ doesnt seams to work. I had to specify it to
16:55 < ACEAlex> title RedHat8.0 new kernel
16:55 < ACEAlex>         root (hd0,1)
16:55 < ACEAlex>         kernel /boot/vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda2
16:56 < ACEAlex> What does this line do initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.18-14.img
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17:01 < holyolli> re
17:02 < esden> re holyolli 
17:02 < rolla> re holyolli
17:09 < Be-El> *yawn*
17:09 < Be-El> time to get home
17:10 < Be-El> cu
17:11 < holyolli> cu bl
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17:38 < sepp> is there a way to say scripts/Download to calc crc and repack the archives after everything is downloaded? i have a fast connection but an slow notebook
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17:52 < thalerim> hail
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17:54 < tcr> sorry, started two instances by accident ;)
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18:26 < Mike1> hi blindy
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18:31 < esden> re hi all
18:32 < Mike1> hi esden!
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18:48 < snyke> hi esden @ bitz
18:52 < esden> hi snyke 
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19:06 < zer0_o> hi
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19:08 < rolla> re blindcoder
19:10 < tcr> hi rolla
19:10 < tcr> solved your problems?
19:12 < esden> puhh
19:13 < rolla> nein
19:13 < rolla> but I will find out tonight
19:13 < esden> I thought that apollo gave up it's life
19:13 < esden> but it is back online ... 
19:20 < rolla> apollo ?
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19:23 < tcr> rolla: whois esden ;)
19:23 < tcr> the name of the box he's sitting at, i guess :)
19:24 < rolla> :P
19:28 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehu
19:28 < blindcoder> esden: status report
19:30 < snyke> hmm
19:30 < snyke> am I allowed to add items for eros in the status report, too?
19:31 < esden> blindcoder: hmm .. the box is back online
19:31 < snyke> what was @ esden?
19:32 < blindcoder> esden: do you know what the cause has been?
19:32 < blindcoder> snyke: which items?
19:32 < esden> we are allowed to choose a raid5 hardware controller 
19:32 < esden> and buy it 
19:32 < esden> and we will get an other 9GB disk
19:33 < esden> I do not know what the cause was
19:33 < esden> but see the messages by yourself running dmesg ...
19:33 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
19:33 < snyke> blindcoder: items like maintenance blah failures blah
19:33 < snyke> service crashs
19:33 < blindcoder> esden: please five Zero a hug!
19:34 < blindcoder> s/five/give/
19:39 < blindcoder> esden: maybe we should ask someone who knows what this should mean...
19:40 * tcr brb
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19:41 < esden> blindcoder: yes but whom ? th ? SMP ? who else ?
19:41 < blindcoder> lkml?
19:41 < blindcoder> it's kernel messages after all :)
19:42 < blindcoder> I currently have problems with marking text in xterm again
19:43 < esden> o_O
19:43 < blindcoder> yes, I can click once and mark normal
19:44 < blindcoder> but if I click again all text betwenn first click and now is marked
19:44 < blindcoder> even if there's 30 minutes betwenn the clicks
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19:47 < blindcoder> esden: Saturday @Fischer again?
19:48 < esden> blindcoder: I hope so 
19:48 < blindcoder> esden: Okay, I'll call Martina and Melli
19:49 < esden> kk
19:49 < esden> if martina still wants ;-)
19:49 < blindcoder> esden: she has to
19:50 < esden> hmm ... if you think so ...
19:53 < tcr> why? has esden frighten her?
19:54 < esden> no "sie zickt nur rum" 
19:54 < blindcoder> tcr: esden frightens each and everyy girl :)
19:54 < blindcoder> just like me :)
19:54 < esden> yes ... we are masters in frightening girls ;-)
19:56 < tcr> you shouldnt tell anything about mathilda when you meet gurls the firs time ;)
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19:57 < blindcoder> I don't. The problem is that 108 kg frighten almost anyone
19:59 < tcr> are you extordinary large?
19:59 < blindcoder> broad
19:59 < blindcoder> 1.85m at most
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20:21 < fake> lient Running Since Sat Aug 10 20:15:49 2002
20:22 < fake> Client Uptime: 156d  1h  5m 58s
20:22 < fake> hehe
20:22 < fake> kuhl.
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20:35 < blindcoder> esden: it's been sad that you haven't been with us on Sunday
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20:59 < blindcoder> n8 everyone
21:01 < Mike1> oyasumi nasai blindcoder
21:09 < owl> re
21:10 < Mike1> re owly
21:30 -!- juman [~juman@c213-89-200-180.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #rocklinux
21:30 < juman> Hello
21:30 < owl> hi juman
21:30 < juman> Has someone installes rock usig boot floppies?
21:30 < juman> usig = using?
21:30 < Mike1> juman: yes
21:31 < juman> I am trying but have a little problem. I boot the floppies and then mount the CD to do the preparations...
21:31 < juman> But the CD wants the libraries (/lib) on the CD but how do I make the system search there?
21:33 < Mike1> where did you mount the cd?
21:33 < juman> As /mnt/cdrom
21:33 < Mike1> mount /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /src
21:33 < juman> Ah... silly me ;-)
21:33 < Mike1> do it that way :)
21:33 < Mike1> and then
21:33 < juman> Thanks Mike...
21:34 < Mike1> mount / partition to /trg
21:34 < Mike1> read the rock linux guide
21:34 < juman> I am... but missed the /src part...
21:34 < Mike1> ah ok great
21:34 < Mike1> guess it will work just fine for you now :)
21:35 < Mike1> have fun with the install juman
21:42 < juman> Thanks... :-)
21:44 < juman> Mike1: I still get the same problem...
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21:44 < juman> Hello tcr
21:44 < tcr> hi juman
21:44 < tcr> huebi, th: ping
21:45 < Mike1> juman: could you paste the error please?
21:45 < juman> Mike: I am trying to use mke2fs to create the system but it complains not finding its shared library...
21:45 < tcr> hum
21:45 < Mike1> mm... 1.5 ?
21:45 < tcr> 1.6pre3
21:45 < Mike1> or 1.7?
21:45 < juman> 1.5.20....
21:46 < tcr> hm
21:46 < Mike1> juman: mmmm... there were some problems with the late rock-1.5.20 releases reagrding the root disk
21:46 < Mike1> as modules were not bee loaded soe root disk creating was braking
21:46 < juman> Ok...
21:47 < Mike1> do you know the extact date of this sources?
21:47 < Mike1> where did you get them from
21:47 < Mike1> ?
21:47 < Mike1> hi tcr btw
21:47 < tcr> hi mike
21:48 < juman> I am using this : ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/unstable/Rock-1.5.20/rock-ia32-i386-base+opt-1.5.20.iso
21:48 < tcr> hmm
21:48 < tcr> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/Rock-1.6.x/Rock-1.6.0-pre3/rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.6.0pre3.iso is the latest and pre4 is very close
21:49 * tcr didnt know that Alex even has a forum on his ISO archive
21:50 < juman> Alrigt... but that is compile for i686 and my machine are quite old (=really old) P133 64M Ram ;-)
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21:51 < tcr> juman: I'll tell the maintainer of that archive to create an 368 ISO for upcoming pre4. But you have to wait a bit (pre4 should actually be out already, dunno what's causing the pending)
21:52 < Mike1> tcr: whats the hurry
21:52 < Mike1> ?
21:52 < juman> You don't have to if u don't want to. I am just trying this out for fun so there is no hurry...
21:53 < Mike1> work is been done on the sparc port which needs to be ready before release, also root disk dailure must be fixed (this is a major)
21:53 < rolla> :)
21:53 < juman> I just landed on this distribution fooling around with "linux from scratch"...
21:54 < Mike1> rolla also will fix alpha port right rolla?
21:54 < Mike1> *g :)
21:54 < tcr> Mike1: huebi said for some days he's just doing a last compiling test and if it suceeds, he'll announce pre4
21:54 < tcr> for some days == some days ago
21:54 < Mike1> tcr: i ment the sparc stuff for stable release
21:55 < rolla> :p
21:55 < Mike1> tcr: but maybe you are right i spoke to him and he said is really having conectivity problems so maybe thats whta is delaying the release
21:57 < tcr> juman: unfortunately the install disks are throughout b0rken .. ask rolla for his personal lingering jeremiad when he tried 1.5.20
21:58 < rolla> grrr
21:58 < Mike1> lol
21:58 < rolla> I have moved on from 1.5.20 now I do battle with 1.5.17 on alpha ;)
21:58 < tcr> yeah, 'grrr' that's was the only comment we heared from him for a quite long time ;)
21:58 < juman> tcr: But i fixed the disk using tomsrtbt and am now trying this anyway.. If it burns it burns ;-)
21:59 < Mike1> tcr: for some reason rolla stuck with 1.5.17
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21:59 < Mike1> mike@maisenhelder:~$ cat /etc/ROCK-LINUX
21:59 < Mike1> ROCK Linux 1.5.17-Mike ia32 (native, 2002/07/22)
21:59 < Mike1> mike@maisenhelder:~$
21:59 < tsa> hi
21:59 < Mike1> *g
21:59 < tcr> rolla is somewhat predestined for stucking a lot ;)
21:59 < tsa> ROCK Linux 1.4.0 i686 (native, 2001/04/28)
21:59 < Mike1> greetings tsa
21:59 < rolla> stucking ?
22:00 < tcr> sticking
22:00 < Mike1> grrr i dont have ssh access to my rock 1.2 box ...
22:00 < rolla> ah
22:00 < rolla> 1.5.17 is the better ISO I have
22:00 < Mike1> rolla nice to hear that
22:00 < rolla> maisenhe@mike:/etc$ cat ROCK-LINUX
22:00 < rolla> ROCK Linux 1.5.19-Gnome2 ia32 (native, 2002/10/14)
22:01 < rolla> :P
22:01 < Mike1> *g*
22:01 < Mike1> I love that tree :)
22:02 < rolla> notice that is not 1.5.20
22:02 < Mike1> rolla i know
22:02 < rolla> once the cluster is there I will try to build 1.6 for alpha
22:03 < tsa> *grmpf*
22:03 < Mike1> rolla good to see you interested in clusters
22:03 < Mike1> it will be fun :)
22:03 < rolla> yes very much
22:03 < tsa> 48 packages failing in 1.7 so far, still in stage 5 somewhere
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22:04 < Mike1> tsa did you already disabled renes stuff?
22:04 < Mike1> *g
22:04 < tsa> Mike1: my build always stops when a package breaks
22:04 < tsa> Mike1: and yes, about 95% of broken packages are from rene/*
22:05 < tsa> i'll send a mail to the list when stage 5 is completed-
22:05 < Mike1> good
22:05 < rolla> :)
22:06 < tsa> some bugs are so easy to fix i wonder if some package maintainers don't test their stuff at all.
22:07 < Mike1> guess in some cases it can be a fact
22:10 < tsa> well, i know rene has lots of packages to maintain, but i don't understand why he doesn't hand some of them off to other maintainers, then.
22:10 < rolla> :)
22:11 < tsa> i don't have too much time to maintain packages in rock (yes, my nvidia package is broken, too), but i could still take over some packages from him
22:11 < tcr> he just seems out of time since the last 4month
22:11 < tsa> i know - although i don't know whats going on with him
22:12 < tsa> maintaining 2000+ packages, ppc port and other things is just way too much work for someone who also has to study and other things to get done
22:17 < tsa> hm... i have a question about 1.7
22:18 < tsa> it's a -devel and it should become -stable, correct?
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22:19 < tsa> why do we add more and more unstable packages (xfree-cvs ???) then instead of fixing those already present first?
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22:20 < tcr> tsa: a well maintained cvs-version of a package is much better than a bad maintained but stable one
22:20 < tcr> imho
22:22 < tsa> depends - currently all stuff from cvs in rock 1.7 seems to be broken..
22:22 < tsa> all the e17 stuff.
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22:55 < demian> hi
22:55 < owl>  hi demian
22:55 < demian> hi :)
22:56 < demian> damn Mike1 ! stop playing with my new burner !
22:57 < Mike1> ROFL
22:57 < owl> aeh?
22:57 < rolla> :P
22:57 < Mike1> demian i coulnt resist it
22:57 < Mike1> couldnt*
22:57 < rolla> Mike1: you need to teach demian sendmail.cf
22:57 < demian> it's ok, im costumed that's ur way to say 'hello'
22:57 < demian> hehe
22:58 < Mike1> demian yeah but only to you :)
22:58 < demian> now im dealing with cvsd
22:58 < Mike1> would you prefer me to say hello with with someother command?
22:58 < owl> somone ever had the problem to shutdown -h now the pc/notebook/whatever and after boot there was a "GLIBC 2.3" lib missed or something like that?
22:58 < Mike1> rolla do i need to?
22:58 < owl> (without compiling, installing...)
22:58 < demian> no, it's ok
22:59 < Mike1> owl: my VAIO never gave me such problem
22:59 < demian> Mike1: umm, maybe 'flite -t Hello'
22:59 < owl> *grml* my system is dead... :-(((
22:59 < rolla> Yes very much :)
22:59 < rolla> he was an open relay for awhile
23:00 < demian> yes
23:00 < rolla> :)
23:04 < rolla> spam the world thro his box
23:04 < demian> !
23:04 < rolla> :p
23:07 < Mike1> mmm... rolla he knows all he has to do is ask
23:08 < rolla> :)
23:08 < demian> Mike1: ill visit u soon then :)
23:09 < Mike1> demian sure anytime, but call first :)
23:09 < demian> when gcc tells me:
23:09 < demian> changing search order for /usr/include, cause it has been considered as a non system directory
23:10 < demian> it means that /usr/include int not in the standar system directory ? to look for headers ?
23:11 < demian> s/int/isnt
23:11 < demian> if yes, how can i make /usr/include the system standar headers directory ? (--isystem option for gcc)
23:12 < demian> Mike1: ok
23:14 < esden>  Mike1 what is about the seeds on linux.edu ?
23:15 < owl> hi esden
23:15 < esden> hi owl 
23:15 < Mike1> esden we are waiting for Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, Alan COx, and Miguel de Icaza
23:15 < esden> o_O
23:15 < Mike1> esden: the thing will working fine soon
23:16 < esden> you think they will come ? I thought that it was a joke ...
23:16 < Mike1> esden no it wasnt
23:16 < demian> ?
23:16 < Mike1> they have been invited
23:16 < Mike1> just wait
23:16 < esden> I am very interested what they have/will answer
23:17 < esden> (ed)
23:17 < Mike1> else MPET will become a master seed
23:17 < esden> LOL
23:17 < esden> I am really unworthy for such a seed
23:17 < demian> cya guys
23:18 < Mike1> hehe
23:18 < owl> bye demian
23:18 < Mike1> we will see
23:18 < Mike1> i got to go to Uni now
23:18 < esden> cu demian 
23:18 < Mike1> see you tomorrow guys and lady :)
23:19 < esden> waahhhh Mike1 no ... :-(
23:19 < owl> bye Mike1
23:19 < esden> *sniff*
23:19 < rolla> Owlie
23:19 < owl> rolla ;P
23:19 < Mike1> esdy i got Java
23:19 < Mike1> can miss it :(
23:19 < demian> !!!!!!
23:20 < demian> java !, wtf happened with u this new year ?
23:20 < esden> no ... you have to go and learn
23:20 < Mike1> demian: don't ask!!
23:20 < Mike1> :(
23:20 < Mike1> bye
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23:21 < demian> well, bye
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23:21 < esden> ok .. then I am also half unavalable ... have to write something ...
23:21 < tsa> *GRRR*
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23:21 < tsa> just got mail from a macromedia sales droid.
23:22 < Satg> hello people !!
23:22 < tsa> he's too dumb to understand my request for a gcc3-based flash-plugin, therefore they won't do anything further about this.
23:22 < tsa> *damnit*
23:23 < owl> <-- sleeping
23:23 < owl> gn8
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23:35 < esden> tsa: who is too dumb ?
23:38 < tsa> esden: macromedia guy
23:39 < tsa> esden: the flashplugin is binary and needs libstdc++ from gcc 2.95.3
23:39 < tsa> so i sent them a mail and asked for gcc3-compiled binaries
23:43 < esden> and what has he said exactly ?
23:44 * -> esden now understands why flash is not working on his machine since he updated his mozilla ...
23:44 < esden> tsa: I think that something simmilar happens to the java-vm plugin ...
23:44 < esden> or have you got it running ?
23:45 < tsa> esden: die haben vorformatierte textbloecke fuer sowas - keine selber geschriebene mail
23:45 < tsa> Macromedia is passionate about what the Web can be and is committed to serving
23:45 < tsa> +its customers and helping them achieve success.  While there does not appear to
23:45 < tsa> +be an appropriate match for this particular program, we do take these requests
23:45 < tsa> +into direct consideration as we develop and build new products/offerings for
23:45 < tsa> +our customers.  Please check back on our website for updates, as we
23:45 < tsa> +occasionally offer new solutions which may provide a better fit for your
23:45 < tsa> +specific business needs in the future.
23:45 < tsa> ...
23:45 < tsa> blahblahblah..
23:46 < tsa> there was not a single line showing that they did read my mail at all.
23:48 < esden> yes I see it
23:48 < esden> that is an autoreply
23:49 < esden> I think your mail went to /dev/null 
23:49 < tsa> yeah, seems to.
23:49 < tsa> so
23:49 < esden> uhm-hm
23:49 < tsa> can anyone please hack into macromedia's system and get us a copy of the source? ;)
23:50 < esden> _THAT_ would be a solution 
23:51 < esden> but I do not think that you want to compile it ... ;-)
23:51 < esden> you would have to rewrite it first ;-)
23:52 < esden> see mozilla 
23:52 < tsa> hehe
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