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00:19 < dennis_> Že
00:19 < dennis_> re
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00:42 < dennis_> re again ;)
00:43 < tsa> n8
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12:01 < tcr> moin all
12:01 < chaosmaster> moin
12:01 < blindcoder> moin moin
12:02 < chaosmaster> one feels like home in "Ostfriesland/DE" here ... :)
12:02 < blindcoder> he, I'd have the same prob there as I have here in IN :)
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12:03 < tcr> moin is official[tm] ROCK Linix greeting expression ;)
12:03 < tcr> the
12:03 < chaosmaster> why? it's typical for the nort-west of Germany
12:04 < blindcoder> chaosmaster: I dan't mean the greeting, but the "Kriegsdienst"
12:04 < blindcoder> and not wanting to do it
12:04 < chaosmaster> ok :)
12:04 < blindcoder> sorry, a little bad mood today >_<
12:05 < chaosmaster> another serious question: does anybody of you use encompass (or used it)?
12:05 < tcr> chaosmaster: 'moin' the prefered and that's why blessed greeting by almighty Mathilda !!! so it has become the official greeting for all henchmen of mathilda, who are just concipated by ROCK Linux users/developers
12:05 < blindcoder> hmm... no... never heard of it actually...
12:06 < chaosmaster> an "alternative" browser, which actually fails to build in ROCK
12:07 < chaosmaster> I wrote once in Dec that it's development stopped and I would like to kick it
12:08 < blindcoder> hmm
12:08 < blindcoder> why does it fail?
12:10 < chaosmaster> it uses an old API of neon, which isn't avaiable anymore
12:10 < chaosmaster> encompass was an alpha-state package and there is no progress for about a half year
12:11 < blindcoder> try mailing rene directly or put rene in CC of a mail to the mailing-list. He's the maintainer of that package
12:11 < chaosmaster> that's an idea ...
12:12 < blindcoder> actually he was the one recommending that method a short time ago IIRC
12:13 * blindcoder continuing his search for a "Zivildienststelle"
12:23 < tcr> hmm
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12:39 < tcr> re blindcoder
12:39 < blindcoder> re
12:42 < esden> morgen
12:43 < tcr> moin
12:57 < blindcoder> hi esden
12:57 < blindcoder> hmmm
12:57 * blindcoder rebuilding his bootdisk-target
12:58 < blindcoder> It hangs after "Select a device for loading the 2nd stage system from: "
12:58 < snyke> hmm
13:00 < fake> mornin
13:01 < fake> <flood>
13:01 < fake> Error logs from default-1.7-snapshot-mips-EL-generic-expert:
13:01 < fake>  [3] base/dietlibc         [3] base/groff            [3] base/raidtools
13:01 < fake>  [3] alessa/syslog-ng      [5] base/openssl          [5] base/python
13:01 < fake>  [5] base/gdb
13:01 < fake> 429 builds total, 129 completed fine, 7 with errors.
13:01 < fake> </flood>
13:01 < fake> ;-)
13:02 < tcr> hmm, looks good, doesnt it?
13:03 < fake> oh, it does... i never came that far before ;)
13:03 < fake> blindcoder: that is pc-specific
13:04 < fake> blindcoder: i had that on my boss's machine, too, but on none of all the others
13:04 < fake> blindcoder: it was an amd k6, what a coincidence, eh? ;)
13:05 < fake> <- off again, wiring the house
13:05 < blindcoder> fake: hmm
13:06 < blindcoder> does it work on an AMD K6-2 at all?
13:06 < blindcoder> or just not with 'generic' ?
13:07 < fake> blindcoder: i don't know...
13:07 < fake> blindcoder: do you have a crimpzange and err.. rj45 plugs?
13:07 < blindcoder> fake: no, neither
13:07 < fake> and no wall-sockets either?
13:07 < blindcoder> fake: I gave you the last wall-sockets I had for Drachi's home :)
13:08 < blindcoder> did'nt buy any since then
13:08 < fake> it was only one, and it was 'patched' to be a cross/nocross converter.... ;)
13:08 < fake> blindcoder: okay. will look further then...
13:08 < blindcoder> fake: wasn't it twoo FutureCom D sockets?
13:08 < blindcoder> good luck
13:09 < fake> blindcoder: one socket with a wire from one end of itself to the other ;)
13:09 < blindcoder> hmm.. I was sure I gave you two FCom D sockets also... well... newver mind
13:13 < blindcoder> hmmm
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13:30 < Be-El> hi ppl
13:31 < tcr> moin
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13:42 < fake> blindcoder: not likely, because i never had an LSL-TOol
13:43 < blindcoder> fake: You don't need one for FCom D
13:43 < fake> blindcoder: and i also never had a plug i didn't an lsl tool for XD
13:44 < fake> s,plug,socket,
13:44 < fake> *need
13:44 < fake> *shakes head*
13:44 < fake> i need more sleep.
13:44 < fake> s,sleep,coffee,
13:44 * Be-El hands a cup of fresh coffee to fake
13:44 < fake> *slurp* *aaaaaw* thanks!
13:45 < blindcoder> hehe
13:45 < Be-El> anyone else wanna have one ?
13:46 < blindcoder> ehm... no thanks. Just took my pills
13:46 < fake> .oO(i wonder wether clifford reads rock-ports)
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13:56 < chaosmaster> back again ....
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14:04 < tcr> Mike1: ping
14:07 < owl> *yawn* morning
14:08 < tcr> moin
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14:12 < ringo30> Hallo all(e).
14:12 < owl> hi ringo30
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15:09 < owl> <-- escaping from cruel reality: sleeping. gn8. cu
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15:42 < tcr> Mike1: !!!
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17:21 < tcr> Mike1: bong!
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18:21 < chrisime_> Mike1, ping
18:22 < tcr> *g*
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18:46 < th> re
18:47 < th> Mike1: you did not fix mysql?
18:48 < tcr> hi th
18:48 < th> hi tcr
18:48 < tcr> mike is unfortunately away >_<
18:48 < th> he uses binary for mysql-extension
18:49 < tcr> yeah i know
18:49 < th> but he even does not extract the tar-ball
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18:53 < BL|away> re
18:54 < owl> re
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19:17 < zer0_o> hi all
19:22 < zer0_o> hm, what do you think all of gentoo ? is it dangerous to rock ?
19:36 < esden_> zer0_o: what do you understand under dangerous ?
19:36 -!- You're now known as esden
19:36 < blindcoder> rehi
19:36 < esden> hi blindcoder 
19:36 < blindcoder> hoi esdi
19:38 < esden> piro has really a lot to do at the moment ...
19:38 < esden> but I really hate dead pyro days >_<
19:38 < blindcoder> yeah >_<
19:38 < blindcoder> and /me needs the last 11 eps of Witch Hunter Robin *cry*
19:39 < esden> blindcoder: freak ;-)
19:40 < blindcoder> esden: hey, that one's cool :){
19:40 < blindcoder> -{
19:40 < blindcoder> and I nood a promise controller
19:40 < blindcoder> s/nood/need/
19:40 < esden> yo doode ;-)
19:40 < owl> hi esden, blindcoder, zer0_o
19:40 < blindcoder> hi owlita
19:40 < esden> hi owl 
19:41 < blindcoder> esden: I've almost given up on using the AMD as a router
19:41 < esden> why ?
19:41 < blindcoder> it usually has a load of 2-3 and it's mldonkey DL-Rates suck, to say the least
19:41 < blindcoder> it is currently offline due to the neveral thousand bad blocks on its system disk (ex Anime disk)
19:41 < esden> blindcoder: fix mldonkey
19:42 < blindcoder> sdeso I'm currently running everything on my workstation
19:42 < blindcoder> DSL, Apache,  MySQL, encrypted Anime Disk... anything
19:42 < esden> how much load do you have now ?
19:42 < blindcoder> top - 19:42:29 up  6:11,  8 users,  load average: 1.82, 1.68, 1.97
19:42 < esden> I really can not understand why you encript your animes ...
19:42 < blindcoder> with two ROCK Builds running
19:43 < blindcoder> esden: sexuelle Befriedigung :)
19:43 < esden> two rock builds ? why that ?
19:43 < blindcoder> esden: because one is almost complete and the other is the bootdisk
19:43 < blindcoder> target
19:44 < esden> ahh yes 
19:44 < blindcoder> it has now 3 hard disks and one CD-Writer in it
19:44 < blindcoder> 30GB Linux System
19:44 < blindcoder> 10 GB Windows System
19:44 < blindcoder> 80 GB encrypted anime :)
19:45 < blindcoder> and the DVD-Drive is not connected >_<
19:46 < blindcoder> so I need either a promise controller
19:46 < blindcoder> or a SCSI-Raid Controller plus disks :)
19:46 < blindcoder> but since money may be _really_ short soon...
19:46 < blindcoder> I don't think I'll get myself either
19:47 < blindcoder> hmm
19:47 < blindcoder> ping
19:47 < blindcoder> pong
19:47 < blindcoder> ping
19:47 < blindcoder> pong
19:47 < blindcoder> ping
19:47 < blindcoder> pong
19:47 < blindcoder> ping
19:47 < blindcoder> pong
19:47 < blindcoder> ping
19:47 < blindcoder> *bzzzzzt*
19:48 < blindcoder> damn... missed it
19:55 < zer0_o> hi owl-honey
19:55 < zer0_o> hm, what do you all think of gentoo ? is it dangerous to rock ?
19:57 < blindcoder> hmm...
19:57 < blindcoder> NO
19:57 < blindcoder> not after my last confrontation :)
19:57 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "I want to install vim"
19:57 < blindcoder> gentoo: "Oh cool, vim has a GUI with it, let's install Xfree86, but don't ask the user, just do it"
19:58 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "No, don't install Xfree86!! ^C^C^C"
19:58 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "Hmm... okay, another approach. Let's install nethack."
19:58 < blindcoder> gentoo: "Oh cool, nethack has a GUI with it, let's install..."
19:58 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "*ARGH* ^C^C^C"
19:59 < blindcoder> mail to gentoo-mailinglist: "Hi. Is it possible to install vim/nethack without Xfree?"
19:59 < blindcoder> gentoo-mailinglist #1: "Yes like this: blablabla"
19:59 < zer0_o> hm
19:59 < blindcoder> blindcoder: *click* *click* *clickediclick*
20:00 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "Once again, nethack please"
20:00 < blindcoder> gentoo: "Oh cool, nethack has a GUI with it..."
20:00 < zer0_o> lol
20:00 < blindcoder> blindcoder: *grmpf*
20:00 < blindcoder> gentoo-mailinglist #1: "Hmm... it is possible but I don't know how."
20:00 < blindcoder> gentoo-mailinglist #2: "Hmm... it is possible but I don't know how."
20:00 < blindcoder> gentoo-mailinglist #3: "It's not possible."
20:01 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "Thanks guys, that's all. I'll stick with ROCK."
20:01 < blindcoder> btw. I experienced this together with esden
20:01 < zer0_o> what about the speed of gentoo ? is it like rock ? or is it just the kernel-config, that does it ?
20:02 < zer0_o> or may i just take a fast fs ?
20:02 < blindcoder> Personally I stopped at that point, but according to esden it is just like ROCK since it is also optimised for the Hardware it runs on
20:03 < blindcoder> Compiler-side optimised
20:03 < zer0_o> they got a better compiler? (sorry for n00b questions)
20:04 < blindcoder> nope, they also use gcc
20:04 < zer0_o> ok, hmm
20:04 < zer0_o> a coleague of mine said it's amazing... i'm not sure about that
20:05 < blindcoder> I'm sure it's amazing for someone new to it. Now things are usualy amazing :)
20:05 < blindcoder> s/Now/New/
20:05 < zer0_o> but if i know some things about freebsd i'll install rock .. thats for sure
20:05 < zer0_o> =)
20:05 < blindcoder> But personally I don't like to compile everything I want to use on the machine I want to use right _now_
20:06 < blindcoder> with gentoo you say
20:06 < blindcoder> `emerge PKG`
20:06 < blindcoder> the package will get downloaded, compiled, installed. This takes X timeunits
20:07 < blindcoder> with ROCK you say
20:07 < blindcoder> mine -i -v PKG.gem
20:07 < zer0_o> yeah, that's some kind of stupid, the coleague is compiling the whole day ...
20:07 < blindcoder> the package gets extracted and i usabrle immediately
20:07 < blindcoder> This takes Y Time Units
20:07 < blindcoder> Where Y < X
20:07 < blindcoder> depending on package even Y*100 < X
20:08 < zer0_o> hehe
20:09 < blindcoder> *argh*
20:10 < blindcoder> forgot to deactivate Paranoia-Check again
20:10 < esden> puhh
20:10 < esden> good
20:10 < esden> ahh zer0_o back alife ;-)
20:10 < blindcoder> esden: also back alive :)
20:10 < esden> yes ... I was writing mad emails to admin@bingo-ev.de ;-)
20:10 < blindcoder> why?
20:12 < blindcoder> ah I see
20:12 < esden> zer0_o, blindcoder: gentoo has improoved in that point if I am informed correctly
20:12 < esden> but it will never be a danger for rock
20:13 < esden> rock has an other approach
20:13 < esden> it is a distribution build kit
20:13 < esden> it is precompiling the installation discs
20:13 < esden> and not compiling everything when you install it
20:13 < esden> that is a big advantage ...
20:13 < esden> but you still can create a minimal system and compile directly to a final disc
20:14 < esden> not creating installation cd's at all
20:14 < esden> rock is much more flexible
20:14 < esden> and easier to port on other arch's
20:15 < esden> has a smaller dependancy footprint then gentoo ... gentoo needs running python on a architecture
20:16 < blindcoder> esden: you didn't REALLY expect anyone @bingo to actually _answer_ mails, do you?
20:16 < esden> that is the same shit like automake dependancy on perl >_<
20:17 < esden> but ... there are idiots in the open source community ... and we can do very little on it ... besides we do our work correctly
20:17 < esden> and stay using bash in rock
20:17 < esden> blindcoder: no not really ...
20:17 < esden> blindcoder: but ... who knows ?
20:18 < zer0_o> hi esden
20:18 < esden> yes ... hi zer0_o ;-)
20:19 < esden> .oO( I WANT MORE MEGATOKYO )
20:19 < blindcoder> esden: you do know that clifferd ported create-deps-2 to perl?
20:20 < esden> yes I know
20:20 < esden> but that is not a core script
20:20 < esden> afik
20:20 < esden> otherwise ... I will have to get all I have against clifford
20:21 < blindcoder> hmm... it doesn't seem to be called by any other script
20:22 < blindcoder> And I know that I never called it :)
20:22 < blindcoder> but there's absolutely no consistency >_<
20:22 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:/usr/src/rock-src-1.7/scripts# grep bin/perl *
20:22 < blindcoder> Check-Deps-2:#!/usr/bin/perl -w
20:22 < blindcoder> parasim1.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl
20:22 < blindcoder> parasim2.pl:#!/bin/perl
20:22 < blindcoder> parasim3.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl
20:22 < blindcoder> patch-pp.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl -w
20:22 < esden> yes ... everything are non core scripts
20:23 < zer0_o> esden, is gentoo faster than rock?
20:23 < esden> zer0_o: what do you understand under "faster" ?
20:23 < zer0_o> writing/reading from devices
20:23 < zer0_o> boottime
20:24 < zer0_o> something like that =)
20:24 < esden> that depends not on the distribution but on the kernel you use
20:24 < esden> our kernel is a pure vanilla kernel 
20:25 < blindcoder> WOLK :)
20:25 < esden> with some very unimportaint patches
20:25 < zer0_o> vanilla ?
20:25 < blindcoder> everything compiled statically into the kernel
20:25 < esden> blindcoder: rofl ! yes! the masterbloat kernel ;-)
20:25 < esden> zer0_o: it is the kernel you get from kernel.org
20:25 < blindcoder> boottime: insignificantly below 2h
20:25 < zer0_o> rofl
20:26 < esden> gentoo is using a kernel with lots of patches ... 
20:26 < esden> a monsterkernel
20:26 < esden> they use preemption
20:26 < blindcoder> wget SuSEkernel.tar.gz
20:26 < esden> and afaik also O(1) ... 
20:26 < blindcoder> gunzip SuSEkernel.tarpgz
20:26 < esden> blindcoder: yes the kernel is comparable with the suse kernel
20:26 < esden> that is not original
20:26 < blindcoder> sed 's,SuSE,gentoo,g' <SuSEkernel.tar >gentookernel.tor
20:26 < esden> that sux
20:27 < esden> It can be faster but also slower
20:27 < esden> the biggest problem when you do not use vanilla in a system
20:27 < blindcoder> you can't file a bug-report to the programmer :)
20:27 < zer0_o> icecream?
20:27 < esden> you are not sure that when you get a vanilla (during a kernel upgrade) you can not be sure that it will work
20:28 < esden> I have seen that on suse many times
20:28 < blindcoder> zer0_o: vanilla == unmodified
20:28 < esden> zer0_o: vanilla kernel is the unmodified kernel from the linus tree
20:28 < esden> that is the kernel linus torvalds releases
20:29 < blindcoder> esden: had a look at Buergerforum the last two day?
20:29 < esden> no
20:29 < zer0_o> cool, that means, you have to do the tuning for yourself ?
20:29 < blindcoder> esden: do so. I've created a really big thread :)
20:30 < esden> yes ... if you mean with tuning messing your kernel up with beta or alpha patches ;-)
20:30 < zer0_o> and gentoo has some options already activated.. so you can't say if it'll be working faster or not on each machine ?
20:30 < esden> yes that is correct
20:32 < zer0_o> =) yeah, i understood something *exited*
20:32 < snyke> esden!
20:32 < esden> snyke: yes ?
20:32 < blindcoder> zer0_o: wait until even I don't understand what he's talking about anymore... then all hope's lost
20:33 < esden> blindcoder: O_O
20:33 < zer0_o> =)
20:33 < blindcoder> esden: just teasing :)
20:34 < esden> I try to express myself as understandable as I can ...
20:34 < esden> blindcoder: "wehrdienst" ?
20:34 < blindcoder> esden: hoy, cheer up. It wasn't meant to turn you down
20:34 < blindcoder> esden: yes. I got my Musterungsbescheid a few days ago
20:35 < blindcoder> in two weeks I have to go to the "Musterung"
20:35 < blindcoder> hm
20:35 * blindcoder seems to suffer from dehydration
20:36 < blindcoder> I drank almost 5 litre's of Water in the last 2 hours
20:37 < esden> urgh that is a lot
20:37 < esden> I get a bottle myself too
20:37 < zer0_o> hi, can you help me with a school-home-work .. i have to find a topic for an IT-economics investigation , do you have an idea what topic to take? the work i do on my own =) don't mind =) just topic =)
20:38 < zer0_o> without "hi," why i wrote that ? =P
20:39 < esden> zer0_o: that was an automat ...
20:39 < esden> hmm ... a topic ...
20:40 < blindcoder> economics... like in money?
20:40 < esden> I read a very interesting article about theCompany today
20:40 < blindcoder> hmm..
20:40 < blindcoder> why the OSS-Movement can't go bankrupt... they started bankrupt to begin with
20:40 < blindcoder> :)
20:42 < blindcoder> 20:27 -!- snutte [snutte@you.are.just.jealous.because.mydomainnameislongerthanyours.net] has joined #gametome
20:42 < blindcoder> ????????? ??????????? ???????????
20:43 < esden> blindcoder: you can fake your domainname ;-)
20:43 < esden> blindcoder: command /host in irssi 
20:43 < blindcoder> nice :)
20:43 < esden> blindcoder: try it out ;-)\
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20:44 < blindcoder> hmm...
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20:45 < esden> hmm ... is not really functional
20:45 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FE66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:45 < blindcoder> hmm...
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20:45 < blindcoder> doesn't seem to work, does it?
20:45 < esden> hmm ... starnge
20:47 < blindcoder> oh well
20:47 < blindcoder> I'm off now, reading some Manga
20:47 < blindcoder> bye-bye
20:47 < esden> blindcoder: /userhost ?
20:47 < esden> ok ... sleep well blindcoder 
20:47 < blindcoder> esden: /host
20:48 < blindcoder> esden: 20:48 -!- USERHOST Not enough parameters
20:48 < blindcoder> n8
20:52 < esden> n8
20:55 < zer0_o> what is the oss movement ?
20:55 < zer0_o> does anyone have a topic ? =) an interessting ?
20:59 < zer0_o> hm ah i know
20:59 < zer0_o> google's my best friend =)
21:02 < esden> zer0_o: Open Source Software movement
21:04 < zer0_o> yeah =)
21:05 < zer0_o> hm, is this economy ?
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21:06 < esden> yes it is economy
21:06 < esden> it implys why linux can not be bought
21:06 < zer0_o> esden, what do you think? is it a good topic? i think it hasn't direct influence in the economy..
21:06 < zer0_o> hmm but it's part of it
21:06 < esden> or GNU/Linux can not be bought
21:08 < zer0_o> it's a big topic .. =| if you consider all aspects..
21:09 < esden> yes that is a very big toppic
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21:13 < tsa> hi
21:14 < esden> hi tsa
21:14 < tsa> hi esden
21:14 < esden> hmm .. I think I should do another test on gentoo
21:16 < esden> hmm ... interesting ... : http://stats.gentoo.org/
21:25 < chrisime> esden, hi
21:25 < chrisime> hehe           ^^^
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22:04 < Be-El> re
22:04 < owl> re Be-El
22:11 < zer0_o> lo
22:12 < zer0_o> esden ? what do you mean with this link ?
22:12 < zer0_o> ah
22:14 < chrisime> Mike1, ping
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22:17 < Be-El> esden: you are working on the dietlibc, aren't you ?
22:17 < esden> Be-El: yes
22:17 < Be-El> esden: got a nice little problem with it
22:17 < esden> uhum ?
22:17 < Be-El> esden: i'm trying to build the install disks
22:18 < tcr> re
22:18 < esden> hmm ... that is "bit" different to the dietlibc target ... but tell me your problem ...
22:18 < Be-El> since i do not use a pseudo cross compiler, i installed dietlibc on my host system
22:18 < esden> hi tcr 
22:18 < esden> ahh I can imagine the problem
22:18 < Be-El> i used the tarball created by my last build
22:18 < Be-El> /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux needs to be fixed
22:19 < zer0_o> i go to bed, have fun all =)
22:19 < esden> good night zer0_o 
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22:19 < esden> Be-El: fixed ?
22:19 < esden> in how far ?
22:19 < Be-El> they contain header files from the kernel used to build the dietlibc tarball; the tarball should use a symbolic link to /usr/src/linux/include instead
22:19 < esden> no that is not right
22:20 < esden> dietlibc and glibc should have the headerfiles included ... not linked from the kernel
22:20 < esden> that is the right behaviour ... as defined by linus torvalds ... 
22:20 < Be-El> they got some of them included...but most are missing
22:21 < esden> yes there are missing ones
22:21 < Be-El> wine:/usr/dietlibc/include/asm.old# ls | wc -l
22:21 < Be-El>      13
22:21 < esden> but using them is a very bad behaviour of some programs
22:21 < esden> these headers are for internal use in the kernel
22:21 < esden> and not in the userspace programs
22:22 < Be-El> well, the package that breaks is modutils...and it uses asm/unistd.h
22:22 < esden> only a small amount of the headers should be used in the programs
22:22 < esden> yes I know ... you have a very old version of the dietlibc.gem
22:22 < Be-El> yes, but some are missing....
22:23 < Be-El> i'll put them onto a list and send it to the mailing list
22:23 < esden> I have added some headers to dietilbc ... as a quick fix
22:23 < esden> unistd should be already in dietilibc ... let me check
22:24 < Be-El> it is part of the dietlibc header files, but modutils require asm/unistd.h
22:25 < esden> humm ...
22:26 < esden> ok ... please send me the list ... I will try to fix it the best way possible ...
22:26 < esden> perhups the best way is to convince modutils to use unistd.h instead asm/unistd.h ...
22:28 < Be-El> hmm....
22:28 < Be-El> parse error
22:28 < tcr> they do completely different jobs
22:28 < esden> aha ?
22:28 < tcr> yeah just take a look at both files
22:29 < tsa> rotfl
22:29 < tsa> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/example.jpg
22:29 < esden> ok ... I was not fixing modutils yet
22:29 < tcr> lol XD
22:30 < esden> hmm ...
22:30 < esden> no ... they seem to work @ my machine ...
22:30 < esden> strange ... really strange ...
22:31 < Be-El> esden: not for me...i have to take the header file from the kernel
22:31 < Be-El> gcc-3 -O2 -Wall -I./../include -D_GNU_SOURCE  -DCONFIG_ROOT_CHECK_OFF=0  -DELF_MACHINE_H='"elf_i386.h"' -DARCH_i386  -c -o sys_oim.o sys_oim.c
22:31 < Be-El> sys_oim.c:36: parse error before "old_sys_init_module"
22:31 < Be-El> make: *** [sys_oim.o] Error 1
22:32 < Be-El> this is the error message after symlinking the unistd.h from dietlibc
22:32 < Be-El> copying the header file from the kernel source tree works fine
22:32 < esden> humm humm ...
22:32 < esden> ok ...
22:32 < Be-El> esden: which architecture are you currently using ? ia32 ?
22:32 < esden> then it really must be the file (tcr is right)
22:33 < esden> ia32 ... I have not tested it on any other arch ... and I do not think that it will be very successfull ...
22:35 < Be-El> ok, the build has finished stage 1.... asm/unistd.h was the only header file missing till now
22:36 < esden> fine ... I make a bootdisk build now too
22:36 < esden> to check if I get a comparable error
22:37 < Be-El> btw...to whoever decided to put debug.sh into the build directory....that was a _very_ good idea
22:38 < Be-El> tsa: i've finished the last build....54 packages are disabled
22:38 < esden> yes that helped me to debug the dietlibc target a lot too
22:44 < owl> gn8. cu
22:44 < tcr> gn8
22:46 < Be-El> cu owl
23:02 < esden> n8
23:03 < tcr> gn8 esden, /me's going to bed now as well
23:03 < Be-El> cu esden
23:03 < Be-El> cu tcr
23:03 < tcr> schloft's oll guat
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23:04 < Be-El> coffee...check....chips...check.....packages to go: 54....starting patch-o-matic
23:16 < tsa> n8
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23:44 < holyolli> moin
23:44 < Be-El> moin holyolli
23:44 < holyolli> hi bl
23:44 < holyolli> blindcoder: did you see tsa the last hours?
23:44 < holyolli> ups
23:44 < holyolli> i meant bl
23:45 < holyolli> ;)
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23:45 < holyolli> hrmpf...just ago?
23:45 < Be-El> about 20 minutes ago
23:45 < holyolli> ack.. thx
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