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--- Log opened Sun Jan 19 00:00:30 2003 --- Day changed Sun Jan 19 2003 00:09 -!- SLACKo [~SLACKo@62.114.147.238] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:19 -!- dennis_ [~lug00-in@pima.hostsharing.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:19 < dennis_> Že 00:19 < dennis_> re 00:19 -!- dennis_ [~lug00-in@pima.hostsharing.net] has quit (Client Quit) 00:20 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50816B60.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:28 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49F8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all") 00:33 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50816B60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:42 -!- dennis_ [~lug00-in@pima.hostsharing.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:42 < dennis_> re again ;) 00:43 < tsa> n8 00:43 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B4F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 00:43 * dennis_ shrugs 00:44 < Be-El> cu 00:45 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD9E118B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:22 -!- dennis_ [~lug00-in@pima.hostsharing.net] has quit ("leaving") 01:42 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@194.230.192.55] has joined #rocklinux 03:05 -!- Netsplit anthony.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: simon 03:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: simon 03:11 -!- Gud [~erik@h27n2fls32o899.telia.com] has quit ("leaving") 03:11 -!- Netsplit anthony.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: snyke 03:13 -!- Netsplit over, joins: snyke 04:34 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 04:48 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50816B60.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 05:45 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@194.230.192.55] has quit () 07:29 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p5090B1E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:30 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090B779.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:04 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958F33C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:07 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p508013AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD958F33C.dip.t-dialin.net))) 11:08 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 11:48 -!- chaosmaster [~niko@nfilus.home.cs.tu-berlin.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:01 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49F8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:01 < tcr> moin all 12:01 < chaosmaster> moin 12:01 < blindcoder> moin moin 12:02 < chaosmaster> one feels like home in "Ostfriesland/DE" here ... :) 12:02 < blindcoder> he, I'd have the same prob there as I have here in IN :) 12:03 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C24F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:03 < tcr> moin is official[tm] ROCK Linix greeting expression ;) 12:03 < tcr> the 12:03 < chaosmaster> why? it's typical for the nort-west of Germany 12:04 < blindcoder> chaosmaster: I dan't mean the greeting, but the "Kriegsdienst" 12:04 < blindcoder> and not wanting to do it 12:04 < chaosmaster> ok :) 12:04 < blindcoder> sorry, a little bad mood today >_< 12:05 < chaosmaster> another serious question: does anybody of you use encompass (or used it)? 12:05 < tcr> chaosmaster: 'moin' the prefered and that's why blessed greeting by almighty Mathilda !!! so it has become the official greeting for all henchmen of mathilda, who are just concipated by ROCK Linux users/developers 12:05 < blindcoder> hmm... no... never heard of it actually... 12:06 < chaosmaster> an "alternative" browser, which actually fails to build in ROCK 12:07 < chaosmaster> I wrote once in Dec that it's development stopped and I would like to kick it 12:08 < blindcoder> hmm 12:08 < blindcoder> why does it fail? 12:10 < chaosmaster> it uses an old API of neon, which isn't avaiable anymore 12:10 < chaosmaster> encompass was an alpha-state package and there is no progress for about a half year 12:11 < blindcoder> try mailing rene directly or put rene in CC of a mail to the mailing-list. He's the maintainer of that package 12:11 < chaosmaster> that's an idea ... 12:12 < blindcoder> actually he was the one recommending that method a short time ago IIRC 12:13 * blindcoder continuing his search for a "Zivildienststelle" 12:23 < tcr> hmm 12:26 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F33C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("shutdown") 12:27 -!- chaosmaster [~niko@nfilus.home.cs.tu-berlin.de] has quit ("Client Exiting") 12:38 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p5080175B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:39 < tcr> re blindcoder 12:39 < blindcoder> re 12:42 < esden> morgen 12:43 < tcr> moin 12:57 < blindcoder> hi esden 12:57 < blindcoder> hmmm 12:57 * blindcoder rebuilding his bootdisk-target 12:58 < blindcoder> It hangs after "Select a device for loading the 2nd stage system from: " 12:58 < snyke> hmm 13:00 < fake> mornin 13:01 < fake> <flood> 13:01 < fake> Error logs from default-1.7-snapshot-mips-EL-generic-expert: 13:01 < fake> [3] base/dietlibc [3] base/groff [3] base/raidtools 13:01 < fake> [3] alessa/syslog-ng [5] base/openssl [5] base/python 13:01 < fake> [5] base/gdb 13:01 < fake> 429 builds total, 129 completed fine, 7 with errors. 13:01 < fake> </flood> 13:01 < fake> ;-) 13:02 < tcr> hmm, looks good, doesnt it? 13:03 < fake> oh, it does... i never came that far before ;) 13:03 < fake> blindcoder: that is pc-specific 13:04 < fake> blindcoder: i had that on my boss's machine, too, but on none of all the others 13:04 < fake> blindcoder: it was an amd k6, what a coincidence, eh? ;) 13:05 < fake> <- off again, wiring the house 13:05 < blindcoder> fake: hmm 13:06 < blindcoder> does it work on an AMD K6-2 at all? 13:06 < blindcoder> or just not with 'generic' ? 13:07 < fake> blindcoder: i don't know... 13:07 < fake> blindcoder: do you have a crimpzange and err.. rj45 plugs? 13:07 < blindcoder> fake: no, neither 13:07 < fake> and no wall-sockets either? 13:07 < blindcoder> fake: I gave you the last wall-sockets I had for Drachi's home :) 13:08 < blindcoder> did'nt buy any since then 13:08 < fake> it was only one, and it was 'patched' to be a cross/nocross converter.... ;) 13:08 < fake> blindcoder: okay. will look further then... 13:08 < blindcoder> fake: wasn't it twoo FutureCom D sockets? 13:08 < blindcoder> good luck 13:09 < fake> blindcoder: one socket with a wire from one end of itself to the other ;) 13:09 < blindcoder> hmm.. I was sure I gave you two FCom D sockets also... well... newver mind 13:13 < blindcoder> hmmm 13:13 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p5080175B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("shutdown") 13:30 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082BA82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:30 < Be-El> hi ppl 13:31 < tcr> moin 13:35 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FE66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:42 < fake> blindcoder: not likely, because i never had an LSL-TOol 13:43 < blindcoder> fake: You don't need one for FCom D 13:43 < fake> blindcoder: and i also never had a plug i didn't an lsl tool for XD 13:44 < fake> s,plug,socket, 13:44 < fake> *need 13:44 < fake> *shakes head* 13:44 < fake> i need more sleep. 13:44 < fake> s,sleep,coffee, 13:44 * Be-El hands a cup of fresh coffee to fake 13:44 < fake> *slurp* *aaaaaw* thanks! 13:45 < blindcoder> hehe 13:45 < Be-El> anyone else wanna have one ? 13:46 < blindcoder> ehm... no thanks. Just took my pills 13:46 < fake> .oO(i wonder wether clifford reads rock-ports) 13:56 -!- chaosmaster [~niko@194.25.159.26] has joined #rocklinux 13:56 < chaosmaster> back again .... 14:01 -!- Netsplit anthony.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ichilton, chaosmaster, th, hannes_, tcr, SMP 14:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tcr 14:04 < tcr> Mike1: ping 14:07 < owl> *yawn* morning 14:08 < tcr> moin 14:12 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 14:12 < ringo30> Hallo all(e). 14:12 < owl> hi ringo30 14:12 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:13 -!- chaosmaster [~niko@194.25.159.26] has joined #rocklinux 14:13 -!- SMP [~stefanp@771e7cd4b8bb.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:13 -!- th [th@thzn.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:14 -!- SMP__ [~stefanp@771e7cd4b8bb.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:17 -!- th [th@thzn.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:20 -!- Netsplit anthony.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SMP__, chaosmaster, SMP 14:23 -!- ichilton [~ian@pc1-stoc3-4-cust247.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #rocklinux 14:25 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE219E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux 14:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SMP__, SMP 14:49 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:08 -!- be-el_ [be-el@p5082B182.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:09 < owl> <-- escaping from cruel reality: sleeping. gn8. cu 15:17 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082BA82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:17 -!- be-el_ is now known as BL|away 15:42 < tcr> Mike1: !!! 16:24 -!- esden_ [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:24 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co -P rock-1.5 && cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 16:24 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Thu Nov 21 19:29:37 2002] 16:24 (Users #rocklinux) 16:24 [ [anders] ] [ chrisime] [ Ge0rG ] [ Lorini] [ ringo30] [ SMP__] 16:24 [ aszlig ] [ esden ] [ hannes_ ] [ mayan ] [ rolla ] [ tcr ] 16:24 [ blindcoder] [ esden_ ] [ ichilton] [ Mike1 ] [ simon ] 16:24 [ BL|away ] [ fake ] [ kasc_ ] [ owl ] [ SMP ] 16:24 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal] 16:24 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Tue Jun 11 09:27:41 2002 16:24 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 16:24 -!- esden [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:25 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:28 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:29 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50802380.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:29 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:35 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C24F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:44 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p508025BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:54 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@p50813A04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:04 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C24F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 17:04 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:06 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:14 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49F8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:21 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr 17:21 < tcr> Mike1: bong! 18:02 -!- SMP [~stefanp@771e7cd4b8bb.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 18:21 < chrisime_> Mike1, ping 18:22 < tcr> *g* 18:43 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 18:46 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50802380.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("brb") 18:46 -!- th [~th@thzn.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:46 < th> re 18:47 < th> Mike1: you did not fix mysql? 18:48 < tcr> hi th 18:48 < th> hi tcr 18:48 < tcr> mike is unfortunately away >_< 18:48 < th> he uses binary for mysql-extension 18:49 < tcr> yeah i know 18:49 < th> but he even does not extract the tar-ball 18:50 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802380.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:53 < BL|away> re 18:54 < owl> re 18:54 -!- BL|away is now known as Be-El 18:54 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813A04.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 19:14 -!- SMP__ is now known as SMP 19:17 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-ls-7-2-dialup-2.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 19:17 < zer0_o> hi all 19:22 < zer0_o> hm, what do you think all of gentoo ? is it dangerous to rock ? 19:36 < esden_> zer0_o: what do you understand under dangerous ? 19:36 -!- You're now known as esden 19:36 < blindcoder> rehi 19:36 < esden> hi blindcoder 19:36 < blindcoder> hoi esdi 19:38 < esden> piro has really a lot to do at the moment ... 19:38 < esden> but I really hate dead pyro days >_< 19:38 < blindcoder> yeah >_< 19:38 < blindcoder> and /me needs the last 11 eps of Witch Hunter Robin *cry* 19:39 < esden> blindcoder: freak ;-) 19:40 < blindcoder> esden: hey, that one's cool :){ 19:40 < blindcoder> -{ 19:40 < blindcoder> and I nood a promise controller 19:40 < blindcoder> s/nood/need/ 19:40 < esden> yo doode ;-) 19:40 < owl> hi esden, blindcoder, zer0_o 19:40 < blindcoder> hi owlita 19:40 < esden> hi owl 19:41 < blindcoder> esden: I've almost given up on using the AMD as a router 19:41 < esden> why ? 19:41 < blindcoder> it usually has a load of 2-3 and it's mldonkey DL-Rates suck, to say the least 19:41 < blindcoder> it is currently offline due to the neveral thousand bad blocks on its system disk (ex Anime disk) 19:41 < esden> blindcoder: fix mldonkey 19:42 < blindcoder> sdeso I'm currently running everything on my workstation 19:42 < blindcoder> DSL, Apache, MySQL, encrypted Anime Disk... anything 19:42 < esden> how much load do you have now ? 19:42 < blindcoder> top - 19:42:29 up 6:11, 8 users, load average: 1.82, 1.68, 1.97 19:42 < esden> I really can not understand why you encript your animes ... 19:42 < blindcoder> with two ROCK Builds running 19:43 < blindcoder> esden: sexuelle Befriedigung :) 19:43 < esden> two rock builds ? why that ? 19:43 < blindcoder> esden: because one is almost complete and the other is the bootdisk 19:43 < blindcoder> target 19:44 < esden> ahh yes 19:44 < blindcoder> it has now 3 hard disks and one CD-Writer in it 19:44 < blindcoder> 30GB Linux System 19:44 < blindcoder> 10 GB Windows System 19:44 < blindcoder> 80 GB encrypted anime :) 19:45 < blindcoder> and the DVD-Drive is not connected >_< 19:46 < blindcoder> so I need either a promise controller 19:46 < blindcoder> or a SCSI-Raid Controller plus disks :) 19:46 < blindcoder> but since money may be _really_ short soon... 19:46 < blindcoder> I don't think I'll get myself either 19:47 < blindcoder> hmm 19:47 < blindcoder> ping 19:47 < blindcoder> pong 19:47 < blindcoder> ping 19:47 < blindcoder> pong 19:47 < blindcoder> ping 19:47 < blindcoder> pong 19:47 < blindcoder> ping 19:47 < blindcoder> pong 19:47 < blindcoder> ping 19:47 < blindcoder> *bzzzzzt* 19:48 < blindcoder> damn... missed it 19:55 < zer0_o> hi owl-honey 19:55 < zer0_o> hm, what do you all think of gentoo ? is it dangerous to rock ? 19:57 < blindcoder> hmm... 19:57 < blindcoder> NO 19:57 < blindcoder> not after my last confrontation :) 19:57 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "I want to install vim" 19:57 < blindcoder> gentoo: "Oh cool, vim has a GUI with it, let's install Xfree86, but don't ask the user, just do it" 19:58 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "No, don't install Xfree86!! ^C^C^C" 19:58 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "Hmm... okay, another approach. Let's install nethack." 19:58 < blindcoder> gentoo: "Oh cool, nethack has a GUI with it, let's install..." 19:58 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "*ARGH* ^C^C^C" 19:59 < blindcoder> mail to gentoo-mailinglist: "Hi. Is it possible to install vim/nethack without Xfree?" 19:59 < blindcoder> gentoo-mailinglist #1: "Yes like this: blablabla" 19:59 < zer0_o> hm 19:59 < blindcoder> blindcoder: *click* *click* *clickediclick* 20:00 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "Once again, nethack please" 20:00 < blindcoder> gentoo: "Oh cool, nethack has a GUI with it..." 20:00 < zer0_o> lol 20:00 < blindcoder> blindcoder: *grmpf* 20:00 < blindcoder> gentoo-mailinglist #1: "Hmm... it is possible but I don't know how." 20:00 < blindcoder> gentoo-mailinglist #2: "Hmm... it is possible but I don't know how." 20:00 < blindcoder> gentoo-mailinglist #3: "It's not possible." 20:01 < blindcoder> blindcoder: "Thanks guys, that's all. I'll stick with ROCK." 20:01 < blindcoder> btw. I experienced this together with esden 20:01 < zer0_o> what about the speed of gentoo ? is it like rock ? or is it just the kernel-config, that does it ? 20:02 < zer0_o> or may i just take a fast fs ? 20:02 < blindcoder> Personally I stopped at that point, but according to esden it is just like ROCK since it is also optimised for the Hardware it runs on 20:03 < blindcoder> Compiler-side optimised 20:03 < zer0_o> they got a better compiler? (sorry for n00b questions) 20:04 < blindcoder> nope, they also use gcc 20:04 < zer0_o> ok, hmm 20:04 < zer0_o> a coleague of mine said it's amazing... i'm not sure about that 20:05 < blindcoder> I'm sure it's amazing for someone new to it. Now things are usualy amazing :) 20:05 < blindcoder> s/Now/New/ 20:05 < zer0_o> but if i know some things about freebsd i'll install rock .. thats for sure 20:05 < zer0_o> =) 20:05 < blindcoder> But personally I don't like to compile everything I want to use on the machine I want to use right _now_ 20:06 < blindcoder> with gentoo you say 20:06 < blindcoder> `emerge PKG` 20:06 < blindcoder> the package will get downloaded, compiled, installed. This takes X timeunits 20:07 < blindcoder> with ROCK you say 20:07 < blindcoder> mine -i -v PKG.gem 20:07 < zer0_o> yeah, that's some kind of stupid, the coleague is compiling the whole day ... 20:07 < blindcoder> the package gets extracted and i usabrle immediately 20:07 < blindcoder> This takes Y Time Units 20:07 < blindcoder> Where Y < X 20:07 < blindcoder> depending on package even Y*100 < X 20:08 < zer0_o> hehe 20:09 < blindcoder> *argh* 20:10 < blindcoder> forgot to deactivate Paranoia-Check again 20:10 < esden> puhh 20:10 < esden> good 20:10 < esden> ahh zer0_o back alife ;-) 20:10 < blindcoder> esden: also back alive :) 20:10 < esden> yes ... I was writing mad emails to admin@bingo-ev.de ;-) 20:10 < blindcoder> why? 20:12 < blindcoder> ah I see 20:12 < esden> zer0_o, blindcoder: gentoo has improoved in that point if I am informed correctly 20:12 < esden> but it will never be a danger for rock 20:13 < esden> rock has an other approach 20:13 < esden> it is a distribution build kit 20:13 < esden> it is precompiling the installation discs 20:13 < esden> and not compiling everything when you install it 20:13 < esden> that is a big advantage ... 20:13 < esden> but you still can create a minimal system and compile directly to a final disc 20:14 < esden> not creating installation cd's at all 20:14 < esden> rock is much more flexible 20:14 < esden> and easier to port on other arch's 20:15 < esden> has a smaller dependancy footprint then gentoo ... gentoo needs running python on a architecture 20:16 < blindcoder> esden: you didn't REALLY expect anyone @bingo to actually _answer_ mails, do you? 20:16 < esden> that is the same shit like automake dependancy on perl >_< 20:17 < esden> but ... there are idiots in the open source community ... and we can do very little on it ... besides we do our work correctly 20:17 < esden> and stay using bash in rock 20:17 < esden> blindcoder: no not really ... 20:17 < esden> blindcoder: but ... who knows ? 20:18 < zer0_o> hi esden 20:18 < esden> yes ... hi zer0_o ;-) 20:19 < esden> .oO( I WANT MORE MEGATOKYO ) 20:19 < blindcoder> esden: you do know that clifferd ported create-deps-2 to perl? 20:20 < esden> yes I know 20:20 < esden> but that is not a core script 20:20 < esden> afik 20:20 < esden> otherwise ... I will have to get all I have against clifford 20:21 < blindcoder> hmm... it doesn't seem to be called by any other script 20:22 < blindcoder> And I know that I never called it :) 20:22 < blindcoder> but there's absolutely no consistency >_< 20:22 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:/usr/src/rock-src-1.7/scripts# grep bin/perl * 20:22 < blindcoder> Check-Deps-2:#!/usr/bin/perl -w 20:22 < blindcoder> parasim1.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl 20:22 < blindcoder> parasim2.pl:#!/bin/perl 20:22 < blindcoder> parasim3.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl 20:22 < blindcoder> patch-pp.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl -w 20:22 < esden> yes ... everything are non core scripts 20:23 < zer0_o> esden, is gentoo faster than rock? 20:23 < esden> zer0_o: what do you understand under "faster" ? 20:23 < zer0_o> writing/reading from devices 20:23 < zer0_o> boottime 20:24 < zer0_o> something like that =) 20:24 < esden> that depends not on the distribution but on the kernel you use 20:24 < esden> our kernel is a pure vanilla kernel 20:25 < blindcoder> WOLK :) 20:25 < esden> with some very unimportaint patches 20:25 < zer0_o> vanilla ? 20:25 < blindcoder> everything compiled statically into the kernel 20:25 < esden> blindcoder: rofl ! yes! the masterbloat kernel ;-) 20:25 < esden> zer0_o: it is the kernel you get from kernel.org 20:25 < blindcoder> boottime: insignificantly below 2h 20:25 < zer0_o> rofl 20:26 < esden> gentoo is using a kernel with lots of patches ... 20:26 < esden> a monsterkernel 20:26 < esden> they use preemption 20:26 < blindcoder> wget SuSEkernel.tar.gz 20:26 < esden> and afaik also O(1) ... 20:26 < blindcoder> gunzip SuSEkernel.tarpgz 20:26 < esden> blindcoder: yes the kernel is comparable with the suse kernel 20:26 < esden> that is not original 20:26 < blindcoder> sed 's,SuSE,gentoo,g' <SuSEkernel.tar >gentookernel.tor 20:26 < esden> that sux 20:27 < esden> It can be faster but also slower 20:27 < esden> the biggest problem when you do not use vanilla in a system 20:27 < blindcoder> you can't file a bug-report to the programmer :) 20:27 < zer0_o> icecream? 20:27 < esden> you are not sure that when you get a vanilla (during a kernel upgrade) you can not be sure that it will work 20:28 < esden> I have seen that on suse many times 20:28 < blindcoder> zer0_o: vanilla == unmodified 20:28 < esden> zer0_o: vanilla kernel is the unmodified kernel from the linus tree 20:28 < esden> that is the kernel linus torvalds releases 20:29 < blindcoder> esden: had a look at Buergerforum the last two day? 20:29 < esden> no 20:29 < zer0_o> cool, that means, you have to do the tuning for yourself ? 20:29 < blindcoder> esden: do so. I've created a really big thread :) 20:30 < esden> yes ... if you mean with tuning messing your kernel up with beta or alpha patches ;-) 20:30 < zer0_o> and gentoo has some options already activated.. so you can't say if it'll be working faster or not on each machine ? 20:30 < esden> yes that is correct 20:32 < zer0_o> =) yeah, i understood something *exited* 20:32 < snyke> esden! 20:32 < esden> snyke: yes ? 20:32 < blindcoder> zer0_o: wait until even I don't understand what he's talking about anymore... then all hope's lost 20:33 < esden> blindcoder: O_O 20:33 < zer0_o> =) 20:33 < blindcoder> esden: just teasing :) 20:34 < esden> I try to express myself as understandable as I can ... 20:34 < esden> blindcoder: "wehrdienst" ? 20:34 < blindcoder> esden: hoy, cheer up. It wasn't meant to turn you down 20:34 < blindcoder> esden: yes. I got my Musterungsbescheid a few days ago 20:35 < blindcoder> in two weeks I have to go to the "Musterung" 20:35 < blindcoder> hm 20:35 * blindcoder seems to suffer from dehydration 20:36 < blindcoder> I drank almost 5 litre's of Water in the last 2 hours 20:37 < esden> urgh that is a lot 20:37 < esden> I get a bottle myself too 20:37 < zer0_o> hi, can you help me with a school-home-work .. i have to find a topic for an IT-economics investigation , do you have an idea what topic to take? the work i do on my own =) don't mind =) just topic =) 20:38 < zer0_o> without "hi," why i wrote that ? =P 20:39 < esden> zer0_o: that was an automat ... 20:39 < esden> hmm ... a topic ... 20:40 < blindcoder> economics... like in money? 20:40 < esden> I read a very interesting article about theCompany today 20:40 < blindcoder> hmm.. 20:40 < blindcoder> why the OSS-Movement can't go bankrupt... they started bankrupt to begin with 20:40 < blindcoder> :) 20:42 < blindcoder> 20:27 -!- snutte [snutte@you.are.just.jealous.because.mydomainnameislongerthanyours.net] has joined #gametome 20:42 < blindcoder> ????????? ??????????? ??????????? 20:43 < esden> blindcoder: you can fake your domainname ;-) 20:43 < esden> blindcoder: command /host in irssi 20:43 < blindcoder> nice :) 20:43 < esden> blindcoder: try it out ;-)\ 20:44 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FE66.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("rocklinux") 20:44 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FE66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:44 < blindcoder> hmm... 20:44 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FE66.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 20:45 < esden> hmm ... is not really functional 20:45 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FE66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:45 < blindcoder> hmm... 20:45 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082B182.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:45 < blindcoder> doesn't seem to work, does it? 20:45 < esden> hmm ... starnge 20:47 < blindcoder> oh well 20:47 < blindcoder> I'm off now, reading some Manga 20:47 < blindcoder> bye-bye 20:47 < esden> blindcoder: /userhost ? 20:47 < esden> ok ... sleep well blindcoder 20:47 < blindcoder> esden: /host 20:48 < blindcoder> esden: 20:48 -!- USERHOST Not enough parameters 20:48 < blindcoder> n8 20:52 < esden> n8 20:55 < zer0_o> what is the oss movement ? 20:55 < zer0_o> does anyone have a topic ? =) an interessting ? 20:59 < zer0_o> hm ah i know 20:59 < zer0_o> google's my best friend =) 21:02 < esden> zer0_o: Open Source Software movement 21:04 < zer0_o> yeah =) 21:05 < zer0_o> hm, is this economy ? 21:06 -!- Lorini is now known as LoriAW 21:06 < esden> yes it is economy 21:06 < esden> it implys why linux can not be bought 21:06 < zer0_o> esden, what do you think? is it a good topic? i think it hasn't direct influence in the economy.. 21:06 < zer0_o> hmm but it's part of it 21:06 < esden> or GNU/Linux can not be bought 21:08 < zer0_o> it's a big topic .. =| if you consider all aspects.. 21:09 < esden> yes that is a very big toppic 21:13 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E115FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:13 < tsa> hi 21:14 < esden> hi tsa 21:14 < tsa> hi esden 21:14 < esden> hmm .. I think I should do another test on gentoo 21:16 < esden> hmm ... interesting ... : https://stats.gentoo.org/ 21:25 < chrisime> esden, hi 21:25 < chrisime> hehe ^^^ 22:04 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082B182.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:04 < Be-El> re 22:04 < owl> re Be-El 22:11 < zer0_o> lo 22:12 < zer0_o> esden ? what do you mean with this link ? 22:12 < zer0_o> ah 22:14 < chrisime> Mike1, ping 22:16 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813A04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:17 < Be-El> esden: you are working on the dietlibc, aren't you ? 22:17 < esden> Be-El: yes 22:17 < Be-El> esden: got a nice little problem with it 22:17 < esden> uhum ? 22:17 < Be-El> esden: i'm trying to build the install disks 22:18 < tcr> re 22:18 < esden> hmm ... that is "bit" different to the dietlibc target ... but tell me your problem ... 22:18 < Be-El> since i do not use a pseudo cross compiler, i installed dietlibc on my host system 22:18 < esden> hi tcr 22:18 < esden> ahh I can imagine the problem 22:18 < Be-El> i used the tarball created by my last build 22:18 < Be-El> /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux needs to be fixed 22:19 < zer0_o> i go to bed, have fun all =) 22:19 < esden> good night zer0_o 22:19 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-ls-7-2-dialup-2.freesurf.ch] has quit ("rock! ^^") 22:19 < esden> Be-El: fixed ? 22:19 < esden> in how far ? 22:19 < Be-El> they contain header files from the kernel used to build the dietlibc tarball; the tarball should use a symbolic link to /usr/src/linux/include instead 22:19 < esden> no that is not right 22:20 < esden> dietlibc and glibc should have the headerfiles included ... not linked from the kernel 22:20 < esden> that is the right behaviour ... as defined by linus torvalds ... 22:20 < Be-El> they got some of them included...but most are missing 22:21 < esden> yes there are missing ones 22:21 < Be-El> wine:/usr/dietlibc/include/asm.old# ls | wc -l 22:21 < Be-El> 13 22:21 < esden> but using them is a very bad behaviour of some programs 22:21 < esden> these headers are for internal use in the kernel 22:21 < esden> and not in the userspace programs 22:22 < Be-El> well, the package that breaks is modutils...and it uses asm/unistd.h 22:22 < esden> only a small amount of the headers should be used in the programs 22:22 < esden> yes I know ... you have a very old version of the dietlibc.gem 22:22 < Be-El> yes, but some are missing.... 22:23 < Be-El> i'll put them onto a list and send it to the mailing list 22:23 < esden> I have added some headers to dietilbc ... as a quick fix 22:23 < esden> unistd should be already in dietilibc ... let me check 22:24 < Be-El> it is part of the dietlibc header files, but modutils require asm/unistd.h 22:25 < esden> humm ... 22:26 < esden> ok ... please send me the list ... I will try to fix it the best way possible ... 22:26 < esden> perhups the best way is to convince modutils to use unistd.h instead asm/unistd.h ... 22:28 < Be-El> hmm.... 22:28 < Be-El> parse error 22:28 < tcr> they do completely different jobs 22:28 < esden> aha ? 22:28 < tcr> yeah just take a look at both files 22:29 < tsa> rotfl 22:29 < tsa> https://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/example.jpg 22:29 < esden> ok ... I was not fixing modutils yet 22:29 < tcr> lol XD 22:30 < esden> hmm ... 22:30 < esden> no ... they seem to work @ my machine ... 22:30 < esden> strange ... really strange ... 22:31 < Be-El> esden: not for me...i have to take the header file from the kernel 22:31 < Be-El> gcc-3 -O2 -Wall -I./../include -D_GNU_SOURCE -DCONFIG_ROOT_CHECK_OFF=0 -DELF_MACHINE_H='"elf_i386.h"' -DARCH_i386 -c -o sys_oim.o sys_oim.c 22:31 < Be-El> sys_oim.c:36: parse error before "old_sys_init_module" 22:31 < Be-El> make: *** [sys_oim.o] Error 1 22:32 < Be-El> this is the error message after symlinking the unistd.h from dietlibc 22:32 < Be-El> copying the header file from the kernel source tree works fine 22:32 < esden> humm humm ... 22:32 < esden> ok ... 22:32 < Be-El> esden: which architecture are you currently using ? ia32 ? 22:32 < esden> then it really must be the file (tcr is right) 22:33 < esden> ia32 ... I have not tested it on any other arch ... and I do not think that it will be very successfull ... 22:35 < Be-El> ok, the build has finished stage 1.... asm/unistd.h was the only header file missing till now 22:36 < esden> fine ... I make a bootdisk build now too 22:36 < esden> to check if I get a comparable error 22:37 < Be-El> btw...to whoever decided to put debug.sh into the build directory....that was a _very_ good idea 22:38 < Be-El> tsa: i've finished the last build....54 packages are disabled 22:38 < esden> yes that helped me to debug the dietlibc target a lot too 22:44 < owl> gn8. cu 22:44 < tcr> gn8 22:46 < Be-El> cu owl 23:02 < esden> n8 23:03 < tcr> gn8 esden, /me's going to bed now as well 23:03 < Be-El> cu esden 23:03 < Be-El> cu tcr 23:03 < tcr> schloft's oll guat 23:03 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813A04.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("..") 23:04 < Be-El> coffee...check....chips...check.....packages to go: 54....starting patch-o-matic 23:16 < tsa> n8 23:16 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E115FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 23:44 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-178-55.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:44 < holyolli> moin 23:44 < Be-El> moin holyolli 23:44 < holyolli> hi bl 23:44 < holyolli> blindcoder: did you see tsa the last hours? 23:44 < holyolli> ups 23:44 < holyolli> i meant bl 23:45 < holyolli> ;) 23:45 < Be-El> <-- tsa has quit ("*plopp*") 23:45 < Be-El> --> holyolli (~holyolli@port-212-202-178-55.reverse.qdsl-home.de) has joined #rocklinux 23:45 < holyolli> hrmpf...just ago? 23:45 < Be-El> about 20 minutes ago 23:45 < holyolli> ack.. thx --- Log closed Mon Jan 20 00:00:48 2003