--- Log opened Mon Jan 20 00:00:48 2003
--- Day changed Mon Jan 20 2003
00:05 < holyolli> has anybody experience with em86?
00:05 < holyolli> (in order to run intel binaries on other archs)
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09:28 < owl> morning
09:37 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:37 < owl> hi blindcoder
09:53 < fake> fsck
09:53 < fake> bash: relocation error: /lib/libnss_db.so.2: undefined symbol: db_create
09:56 < fake> ...
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10:02 < holyolli> moin
10:08 < owl> moin holyolli
10:08 < holyolli> hi owl
10:09 < holyolli> wget -l 0 -r http://breakfast
10:09 < holyolli> brb
10:16 < fake> hi holyolli
10:16 < holyolli> hi fake
10:27 < owl> moin fake
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10:36 < demian> hi
10:37 < holyolli> hi demian
10:38 < demian> how are u holyolli ?
10:38 < owl> hi demian
10:38 < holyolli> demian: o.k. - i have no school this morning... :)
10:38 < demian> and u owl
10:38 < holyolli> demian: and how are you...?
10:39 < owl> demian: alive. thx. and you?
10:40 < demian> im fine, a little hag, but that's ok
10:47 < owl> someone know's if c# has a function which converts int to hex?
10:49 * holyolli not
10:49 < demian> do it
10:50 < owl> demian: ?
10:56 < fake> owl: &value?
10:57 < fake> err
10:57 < fake> forget that
10:59 < [anders]> Mike1: ping
10:59 < [anders]> lo dudes..
10:59 < owl> fake: in c#? i found something like : while (hexint+15>Math.Pow(16,counter-1) { ... }
11:00 < fake> *ROFL*
11:01 < owl> fake: ?
11:01 < fake> oh my fscking god....
11:01 < fake> i can't believe it
11:01 < fake> http://fake.bchat.net/pics/other/computerbild.jpg
11:02 < fake> that screenshot was shot by me about 5 minutes ago
11:02 < holyolli> *rotfl*
11:02 < holyolli> fake: can i reference the url?
11:02 < fake> holyolli: you can even reference the original url...
11:02 < fake> holyolli: but yes, of course
11:02 < holyolli> ack.
11:03 < holyolli> .oO(we can make now some suggestions, why fake is surfing on computerbild.de ;)
11:03 < [anders]> heheh
11:05 < fake> holyolli: because a colleage told me about that text :P
11:05 < holyolli> hehe... i understand... :-D
11:05 < fake> (no, of course i wondered what in the world a 'PC' might be.)
11:08 < demian> cya
11:08 < holyolli> cu demian
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14:53 < rolla> re
14:56 < esden> hi all
14:57 < fake> hi esden
14:57 < esden> hi fake 
14:59 < owl> hi esden
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15:01 < fake> esden: you have mail...
15:01 < esden> k
15:02 < esden> fake: thanks
15:06 < esden> hi owl .. sbtw
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15:22 < fake> esden: http://fake.bchat.net/pics/other/computerbild.jpg
15:22 < esden> *klick*
15:23 < esden> lol
15:24 < esden> poerssonell kompjuhter ... that sounds good ;-)
15:24 < fake> esden: i ment the last sentence
15:24 < esden> yes I know
15:24 < esden> but the other thing sounds good too ... that is how germans spell english ...
15:25 < esden> in this world the only existing os is windows
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15:33 < Mike1> pong [anders]
15:33 < rolla> re Mike1
15:37 < owl> ciao. bbl
15:41 < esden> hi Mike1 
15:41 < Mike1> hi @ all
15:48 < fake> Calendar will be included in future Mozilla builds
15:48 < fake> kewl.
15:50 < esden> mozilla is morphing to a outlook/ie hybrid
15:53 < rolla> ahhh
15:54 < fake> esden: i like it... the mail functions are nice in the 1.3alpha, enigmail supports gpg and the addressbook is nice, too. plus it uses standards for storing stuff, so you can change the tools at any time
15:58 < rolla> :)
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16:10 < blindcoder> fake: will Mozilla support mbox anytime soon?
16:12 < esden> cool : http://radioqualia.va.com.au/freeradiolinux/
16:12 < fake> blindcoder: it does. since always.
16:13 < fake> cd ~/.mozilla/*/
16:13 < fake> mutt -f ./<yourmailboxilfe>
16:13 < esden> fake: the beauty lies in the eye of the beholder ;-)
16:13 < fake> even more interesting (about 2.5):
16:13 < fake> - With the above tools, you also no longer need ide-scsi in order to use
16:13 < fake>   an IDE CD writer.
16:13 < esden> that is really cool !
16:14 < fake> ftp.de.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/axboe/tools/
16:15 < fake> http://lwn.net/Articles/13538/
16:15 < fake> http://lwn.net/Articles/13160/
16:33 < esden> cu all ... /me -> lecture
17:00 < fake> == 01/20/03 17:00:42 =[5]=> Finished building package openssl.
17:00 < fake> WEE!
17:02 < Mike1> :)
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17:07 < totom> hello
17:07 < Mike1> hi totom
17:07 < totom> how do i build some bootable isos of an compiled rock1.7 tree?
17:12 < totom> yes i know dau question but if i enter ./scripts/CreateCD ... it means not bootable and in the isocd.txt is no boot section
17:14 < fake> are you talking about 1.5/1.6?
17:14 < totom> 1.7
17:15 < fake> ./scripts/Create-ISO
17:15 < fake> did you build a bootdisk-target also?
17:15 < fake> ./scripts/Create-ISO <label> <bootdisktargetconfigname> <othertargetconfigname>
17:16 < totom> ahh ok thanks i was to stupid to understand what to do
17:16 < fake> no, the documentation is quite lacking...
17:21 < blindcoder> hmm... I sent a patch in my last patch-collection to update that part of doc/BUILD
17:22 < totom> if i use some optimisation in the config tool for example athlon-tb will the source compile with -march/-mcpu athlon-tb ?
17:22 < blindcoder> tnhat's the point of it, yes
17:23 * blindcoder watching Anime again
17:23 < totom> is it a good idea to compile all programs with athlon optimisation?
17:24 < totom> i mean will it not decrease stability?
17:26 < fake> just because the athlon is unstable in hardware, it doesn't mean it's software is neccesarily unstable, too ;)
17:28 < totom> hmm i tried this sometime ago with binutils an the result was not working
17:28 < totom> but not with rocklinux
17:46 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:/usr/src/rock-src-1.7# ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg bootdisk
17:46 < blindcoder> Error logs from bootdisk-1.7-snapshot-ia32-k6-2-bootdisk-expert:
17:46 < blindcoder>  [1] base/linux24          [1] base/gcc3
17:46 < blindcoder> 143 builds total, 40 completed fine, 2 with errors.
17:46 < blindcoder> I just don't get it >_<
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18:00 < fake> == 01/20/03 17:54:26 =[5]=> Finished building package python.
18:00 < fake> wee!
18:00 < fake> it goes on and on and on...
18:00 < rolla> what does G-line mean
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18:03 < Mike1> re
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18:18 < rolla> re
18:21 < blindcoder> re rolla
18:21 < blindcoder> *argh*
18:21 < blindcoder> I hate the bootdisk-target >_<
18:26 * blindcoder going
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18:36 < Mike1> re @ all
18:38 < rolla> re mike
18:39 < Mike1> Joel :)
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18:39 < holyolli> moin
18:40 < Mike1> holy ! :)
18:40 < holyolli> Mike1 :))
18:59 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
19:01 < rolla> holyolli:
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19:04 < holyolli> hi rolla
19:04 < holyolli> hi blindcoder, chrisime
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19:08 < holyolli> re
19:12 * blindcoder now going to kick esdens ass :)
19:12 < blindcoder> greetings from him btw :)
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19:16 < tcr> moin all
19:18 < holyolli> hi tcr
19:21 < tcr> hi holyolli
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19:28 < holyolli_> re...
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19:30 < tcr> wb
19:33 < tcr> blindcoder: ping
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19:35 < d3mian> hi !
19:35 < holyolli_> hi demian
19:36 < tcr> hi d3mian
19:37 < d3mian> could someone tell mewhat do i need to avoid receive this cups error message:
19:37 < d3mian> Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 13!
19:42 < tcr> d3mian: what about asking g00gl3? ;)
19:42 < d3mian> %)
19:44 < d3mian> Mike1: u here ?
19:44 < tcr> apparantly you are missing some filter externsion for bups
19:44 < tcr> cups
19:44 < tcr> for instance to print .ps files
19:45 * tcr taking shower
19:47 < d3mian> seems so, psutilsisalready installed, but stracing lp doesnt show enough info to  determine with binary is using to filter source file:(
19:47 < d3mian> i have already installedpsutils,and prob continue, ill see
19:55 < d3mian> oh, i alreadyknow :)
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20:03 < d3mian> espgs-7.05.5-source.tar.bz2 is needed for CUPS version 1.1.16 and later
20:03 < d3mian> umm
20:06 < Mike1> d3bian
20:06 < Mike1> now i am here :)
20:06 < rolla> Mike1:
20:07 < Mike1> rolla:
20:07 < d3mian> umm, many people has its own packages repos in 1.7
20:07 < d3mian> i havent taken a look lately
20:07 < d3mian> Mikey
20:08 < Mike1> d3bian yes they have added parts of targets and stuff, and Cliff has been a bit flexible letting maintain packages
20:08 < d3mian> umm
20:08 < d3mian> ic
20:08 < Mike1> d3mian: wanna add some packages?
20:09 < d3mian> Mike1: could u make me a please ?
20:09 < Mike1> whats up?
20:09 < d3mian> i need to download some stuff, but my connection is too slow to get them
20:09 < Mike1> d3mian: ?
20:10 < d3mian> could u download them and i burn them there ?
20:10 < d3mian> within those days
20:10 < Mike1> d3mian: ALL 1.7 packages?? 0_o
20:11 < d3mian> it wont be a bad idea too
20:11 < d3mian> %)
20:11 < Mike1> there are over 1GB of packages, so it would take at least 3 hours to download everything maybe 4
20:11 < Mike1> !!
20:11 < d3mian> i got a new HD and a free partitionfor build
20:11 < Mike1> i can seee that :)
20:12 < d3mian> and dunt u have them already there ?
20:12 < Mike1> d3mian: no i cleaned up my harddrive
20:13 < Mike1> all i have are the 1.5 packages
20:13 < d3mian> i see
20:14 < d3mian> and are package versions of 1.5 old ? in comparison with 1.7 ?
20:14 < Mike1> some yes and 1.7 has many more packages
20:16 < d3mian> ok
20:17 < [anders]> Mike1: been to the docs with Helen, and now I am starting to fade a bit...
20:17 < tcr> no, i guess 1.6 is much more up to date than 1.7
20:17 < tcr> except gcc and glibc, gtk and glib
20:18 < Mike1> [anders]: good, welcome back my friend :)
20:18 < [anders]> not going to be monitoring irc a great deal in the next 12 hours, but should be back talking in 12 hours or so..
20:18 < tcr> but the last too will be upgraded by th when 1.6.0 is out (whenever that will be .. sigh)
20:18 < tcr> hej [anders]
20:18 < d3mian> what gcc versions both versions are currently using ?
20:18 < [anders]> bit repetative there, I am not doing well. Just taken ibuprofen against headache..
20:18 < [anders]> hej tcr :)
20:18 < tcr> d3mian: 1.7 3.2, 1.6 still 2.95
20:19 < d3mian> and glibc
20:19 < [anders]> going to have a little something to eat, then time to go bed..
20:19 < Mike1> tcr: speaks svenka?
20:19 * d3mian building gcc 3.2.1 now
20:19 < Mike1> [anders]: ok will talk to you tomorrow, we need to get gnome2 tree back working
20:19 < [anders]> tcr: beware of gcc 3.2.x if you have _lots_ of inline large funtions..
20:19 < d3mian> ic
20:20 < Mike1> tcr: translation in progress
20:20 < d3mian> i havent had troubles with gcc-3.2.1 yet
20:20 < [anders]> tcr: just been through this at work and you'll need -finline-limit=32768 (or arbitrary large value where large > 2000)
20:20 < Mike1> d3mian: "...  _lots_ of inline large funtions.."
20:21 < tcr> Mike1: jag spikar lite svenska
20:21 < [anders]> d3mian: I am talking of linking with a dozen or so static libraries where the biggest libs are 50+ MB
20:21 < [anders]> tcr: spikar ?
20:21 < Mike1> tcr: god  :)
20:22 < tcr> [anders]: hmm, tala maybe?
20:22 < [anders]> tcr: talar yes.. :)
20:22 < [anders]> or pratar
20:22 < d3mian> ok, thanx
20:22 < [anders]> anyways, I'm off now chaps.. back tomorrow sometime after 9 am probably..
20:22 < Mike1> [anders]: svenska master :)
20:23 < [anders]> ~~~
20:23 < Mike1> ok jeg da [anders]
20:23 < tcr> [anders]: concerning to inline functions
20:24 < Mike1> tcr: too late he's gone to bed :)
20:24 < tcr> the linux kernel is using pretty a lot inline functions but isn't ported to gcc 3.2 yet
20:24 < tcr> ok
20:24 < Mike1> tcr: translation is in progress
20:25 < tcr> ah good. though my friend found someone else who is also working on it. But also on the portugese translation (mainly i think), so just continue
20:25 < tcr> btw Mike1. Have you evern run a build with the new gcc protector patch I once sent to you?
20:26 < Mike1> tcr: make a choise spanish or portuguess?
20:26 < Mike1> *gggg* now, /me has not running a 1.5 build since 1.6.0-pre1 was released
20:26 < Mike1> s/now/no
20:26 < tcr> wait up please
20:27 < Mike1> ?
20:27 < tcr> just wait a sec, i'm asking my friend
20:28 < Mike1> oki
20:30 < tcr> hmm, he told one to translate in spanish and portuguese.. I'll write that guy a mail now, will CC
20:30 < tcr> to you, is that ok?
20:30 < Mike1> well then you don't need me
20:30 < Mike1> tcr: its cool don't worry :)
20:31 < tcr> yeah, but maybe he havent began so far, or with the portuguese one, so you could still do the spanish translation
20:32 < Mike1> tcr: as you wish, you guys decide if you want / need my help then let me know.
20:32 < tcr> at the latest for testing ;)
20:32 < Mike1> ok
20:38 < tcr> Mike1: will inform you then...
20:38 < Mike1> tcr: sure i will be around, as usual :)
20:40 < Mike1> fetching 1.7 source
20:40 < d3mian> i should leave
20:40 < d3mian> cya later guys
20:40 < Mike1> any specific optmization you are interested in?
20:40 < Mike1> ok bye
20:40 < d3mian> :))
20:41 < d3mian> is there specific things for amd's ?
20:41 < tcr> sure
20:41 < Mike1> d3mian: yeah
20:41 * Mike1 has 2 amds on his workstation :)
20:41 < d3mian> then, for amdand intel
20:42 * d3mian still fetching 1.7 sources..
20:42 < Mike1> ia32 ... no big deal :)
20:42 < d3mian> cvs server: Updating rock-src-1.7/package/rene/libtiff
20:42 * Mike1 finished fetching 1.7 1.5 and hdw
20:42 < Mike1> :)
20:42 < d3mian> damnit
20:42 * Mike1 kicked d3mians ass
20:42 < d3mian> add them to the sources i asked u then :)
20:42 < Mike1> ack
20:42 < d3mian> thanx :)
20:43 < d3mian> bye
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20:43 < Mike1> bye
20:43 < Mike1> *g
20:55 < owl> re
20:56 < Mike1> wb owl
20:56 < owl> hi Mike1
21:35 < rolla> what does K-line mean ?
21:40 < Ge0rG> a permanent ban from an irc server for an IP or IP range
21:42 < rolla> great
21:42 < rolla> stupied undernet
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21:54 < tcr> th: ping !!
21:54 < th> tcr: pong
21:56 < rolla> ping
21:56 < th> rolla: pong
21:57 < tcr> ah!
21:57 < tcr> th: what do you think to add --enable-multibyte to the configure flags of VIM? I'd /really/ favor that.
21:58 < tcr> hi th and rolla btw ;)
21:58 < th> tcr: i'd have no problem with that
21:58 < tcr> should I or will you do it?
21:58 < owl> re tcr, hi th
21:58 < th> tcr: i'm already on it
21:59 < tcr> wonderful
22:00 < th> tcr: committed. please give it a test-build
22:01 < tcr> th: btw what are the option for cvs up to force overwriting all files, even those being modified locally?
22:01 < tcr> options
22:01 < th> tcr: rm the local files
22:02 < tcr> that's fucking unhandy >_<
22:03 < th>             Use  the  `-C'  option  to overwrite locally modified files with clean copies from the
22:03 < th>             repository (the modified file is saved in `.#file.revision', however).
22:03 < tcr> yeah, just looked up myself now
22:05 < th> i did not knew this option
22:06 < tcr> well, as they are saved it's not what I want all
22:07 < tcr> btw. th: does --enable-{ruby,perl,python}interp require perl/ruby/pythion installed to compile vim?
22:07 < th> tcr: i'm not sure but i do not think so
22:09 < tcr> if i just run ./scripts/Build-Pkg vim, that will overwrite my system config files of vim, that's quite annoying. is the prefered way to make a tbz2 and then install it via pkg-update?
22:09 < tcr> i'm not 100% about overwriting, but i noticied that once when building another pkg
22:09 < th> VIM - Vi IMproved 6.1 (2002 Mar 24, compiled Jan 20 2003 22:08:39)
22:09 < th> -mouse_netterm +mouse_xterm +multi_byte +multi_lang -osfiletype +path_extra
22:10 < th> tcr: are you sure about this?
22:10 < th> tcr: which file is overwritten?
22:11 < tcr> hmm
22:11 < tcr> i know it was /etc/modules.conf, but i dunno the pkg that caused that
22:11 < th> ahh i thought you meant vim
22:11 < tcr> i thought it's the intended way
22:12 < th> a package should not do so
22:12 < tcr> and i also think that even calling build-pkg -mktar did update the local /var/adm/*/ files
22:13 < th> ouhm.
22:13 < tcr> hmm, seems i should recheck build-pkg *g*
22:14 < tcr> th: but i wonder how build-pkg is prevented from overwriting local files
22:14 < tcr> th: sine a make install does affect the system
22:14 < tcr> since
22:15 < tcr> indeed, the preferred way may be to use -mktar and update the pkg via pkg-update
22:21 < tcr> th: or even the maintainer of a pkg is supposed to take about that and add such files to $flistdel -- which only works when using the flist wrapper
22:22 < th> tcr: are you talking of files belonging to that package or files that come from e.g. sysfiles
22:23 < tcr> both actually
22:26 < tcr> th: btw. could you take a look at fix-nvidia.patch sent to the list by niko some minutes ago?
22:27 < th> tcr: ok
22:27 < tcr> the patch line looks very bogus to me.
22:27 < th> fix-nvidia.patch                : remove modprobe
22:27 < th> remove modprobe?
22:28 < tcr> take a look at the actual patch
22:28 < tcr> i'm talking about +patch -p1 < $confdir/no_modprobe.patch
22:28 < th> i looks to me like it removes the modprobing while building
22:28 < tcr> .patch files are still applied by Build-Pkg and dont need to be applied in the .conf file directly
22:28 < th> which is fine
22:29 < th> ahh
22:29 < th> yes
22:29 < th> you are right
22:29 < th> +patch -p1 < $confdir/no_modprobe.patch
22:29 < th> this line seems bogus to me too now
22:29 < th> ;>
22:33 < tcr> do you wanna complain or should i write a mail, just for the case that this passed clifford's eagle eyes ;)
22:33 < tcr> i actually want to go sleeping now..
22:34 < th> i wont answer that mail
22:35 < tcr> hrm
22:35 < tcr> :P you are tyrannical
22:35 < th> ;-) it's actually to early to go to bed now for you
22:36 < tcr> the first two lessons are ancient greek, that's gonna exhaust me, without 6 hours sleep not bearable
22:37 < tcr> tomorrow
22:37 < th> ;>
22:37 < th> ancient greek?
22:37 < th> what the hell are you doing?
22:38 < tcr> learning for my life..
22:38 < th> ouhm
22:38 < tcr> never wondered about my quit msg?
22:40 < th> yes
22:40 < th> enlighten me
22:41 < th> i just noticed that it isn't latin
22:44 < tcr> 'Wer Notwendiges weiß, nicht wer viel weiß, ist weise' (Who knows necessary things, not who knows much, is wise)
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22:44 < holyolli> re
22:44 < owl> re holyolli
22:44 < holyolli> hi owl
22:44 < th> tcr: thanks
22:44 < tcr> but now going to bed, gn8 all
22:44 < holyolli> n8 tcr
22:44 < th> gn8 tcr
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