--- Log opened Tue Jan 21 00:00:06 2003
--- Day changed Tue Jan 21 2003
00:03 < owl> <-- off.
00:03 < owl> gn8
00:04 < holyolli> n8 owl
00:21 < ringo30_> n8 owl !
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00:21 < demian> re
00:22 < holyolli> re demian
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01:10 < demian> cya
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01:32 < ringo30> *** debug [lib/liblow.c(204)]: VC: 0 Segmentation fault (core dumped) what is the name of this lib ?
01:34 < ringo30> Anybody still awake pse ?
01:53 < th> ringo30: that's gpm
01:54 < ringo30> th: Thanks How do you get that info?
01:54 < th> IIRC i grepped for it
01:55 < th> in fact i used ldd to narrow the filecount i had to grep
01:55 < ringo30> IIRC log file ?
01:55 < th> IIRC == if i recall correctly
01:56 < ringo30> ok not so familair with irc statements... Now got to fix it ..... hmm
01:57 < th> well apply the gpm-patch
01:57 < th> 1.7 or 1.5/1.6?
01:57 < ringo30> 1.6 pre 3
01:57 < th> cool
01:57 < th> so just:
01:58 < th> cd /usr/src/rock-src
01:58 < th> ./scripts/Update gpm
01:58 < th> ./scripts/Download -package gpm
01:58 < th> ./scripts/Build-Pkg gpm
01:58 < th> and it's fixed
01:59 < ringo30> th: hmm thanks for the info.
01:59 < ringo30> applying ...
02:00 < th> in which application did this appear?
02:00 < th> w3m
02:00 < th> ?
02:03 < ringo30> mc sri for the delay.
02:04 < ringo30> it crashes when you run an app and then return to midnight commander.
02:04 < th> ahh mc
02:04 < th> ok
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02:18 < th> ringo30: did that fix your problem?
02:21 < ringo30> not yet added swap perm first ...
02:23 < th> permissions?
02:23 < th> partition?
02:23 < ringo30> permanently made swap partion active in runlevel 2
02:23 < th> ahh ok
02:24 < ringo30> is it ok to do that in a runlevel ?
02:24 < th> i don't see reason for that
02:25 < th> i always add them to fstab
02:27 < ringo30> ok will fix it that way, nicer less hassle.
02:31 < ringo30> qwestion : If I do ./scripts/Build-Pkg gpm it will be directly installed ?
02:32 < th> yes
02:33 < ringo30> Ok. I dont get any err from liblow.c but m still core dumps.
02:33 < ringo30> midnight commander
02:33 < th> hmm ok.
02:33 < th> let me reproduce that
02:34 < th> i started mc
02:34 < th> what now?
02:35 < ringo30> mc says something like ...  update /usr/lib/mc/extfs/extfs.ini any idea waht needs to be altered ?
02:35 < th> no
02:38 < th> so can't show me how to reproduce the core dump with mc?
02:39 < ringo30> you want it to core dump to ? Or do I have to examin them ?
02:39 < th> you shall tell me what i need to do to make mc core dump
02:40 < ringo30> run it and then ls or wahtever it then coredumps over here.
02:41 < th> hmm
02:41 < th> it does not do so here
02:41 < ringo30> what Rock version do you have ?
02:41 < th> 1.5/1.6
02:42 < ringo30> hmm ... funny I am allways the lucky guy...
02:43 < th> did you install from pre3 iso?
02:44 < ringo30> yep
02:44 < th> did you do anything special after that?
02:44 < ringo30> nope just some routine stuff to get it up.
02:44 < th> hmmm
02:45 < th> perhaps your hardware is broken?
02:45 < ringo30> hope not, could be kernel problem but I dont think so.
02:45 < th> me neither
02:46 < ringo30> Jan 21 03:43:22 localhost gpm[24055]: *** info [gpm.c(673)]:
02:46 < ringo30> this is what I find /var/log/messages A_LOT
02:47 < th> are you in x?
02:47 < ringo30> nope terminal
02:47 < th> perhaps some framebuffer-issue?
02:47 < th> does mc run ok in x?
02:48 < ringo30> dunno I havent had that up (yet).
02:49 < th> is gpm running?
02:49 < th> and functioning?
02:49 < ringo30> yep luckely ..
02:51 < th> hmmm
02:51 < th> kill gpm and check if mc crashs
02:53 < ringo30> still crashes but it waits until a key is pressed to go back to mc
02:53 < th> hmm
02:54 < ringo30> frame buffer that could very very well be .... Sorry didnt read that...
02:56 < ringo30> I have installed frame buffer for nvidia (experimental)...
02:56 < th> uhm
02:56 < th> i think svga framebuffer is the better choice here
02:56 < ringo30> ok i'll burn other kernel.
02:57 < ringo30> vesa vga graph console ?
02:57 < th> yes
02:58 < ringo30> ok compiling ...
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03:09 < ringo30> still segfaults...;-(
03:10 < th> hmmm
03:10 < th> try x
03:10 < ringo30> But @ least its a very better option, i didnt enable vga=-3 so no fb will be present.
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03:25 < ringo30> you have to fill in @ boot time mode 313 ?
03:25 < th> i don't know
03:25 < th> i don't use fb any more
03:25 < th> but i never passed append lines for vesa fb
03:26 < th> but i almost never use mc either
03:27 < ringo30> cant live without mc ... Its very handy tool. I love  it! I will have to tackle da problem ...
03:30 < th> i like a good shell better
03:35 < ringo30> You are right, but I am lazy (one of the main virtues of a programmer ;-) ).
03:38 < th> takes too long for me to change e.g. into a directory
03:40 < ringo30> hmm how do you navigate ?
03:40 < th> tab completion
03:40 < ringo30> yehh could try that 2.
03:41 < ringo30> bash korn cshell ?
03:41 < th> tcsh
03:44 < ringo30> hmm will look it up. I love nutshell guide.
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03:59 < ringo30> th which version of mc do you "use" ?
04:01 < th> hehe
04:01 < th> lemme check
04:01 < th> GNU Midnight Commander 4.5.55
04:01 < th> Edition: text mode with X11 support to read modifiers
04:01 < th> Virtual File System: tarfs, extfs, ftpfs, mcfs, undelfs
04:02 < ringo30> ok I am recompiling.... Maybe ....
04:02 < ringo30> I have the same ...
04:05 < ringo30> I recompiled and its 4 times the orignal size .... no opt just ./configure ; make ; make install ...
04:29 < ringo30> gdb gives :  #0  0x4008ffc2 in Gpm_Open () from /usr/lib/libgpm.so.1
04:30 < ringo30> th ?
04:34 < th> ack?
04:35 < th> hmm
04:40 < ringo30> think its something with gpm >I remember the configure script was broken it only said oops usage gpm -m /dev/mouse -t mouse type and I cpuld not get out of that loop.
04:41 < ringo30> so I broke the setup shell at that point.
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06:59 < blindcoder> moin
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08:28 < owl> hi
08:38 < blindcoder> moin owli
08:43 < blindcoder> owl: ping
08:44 < owl> blindcoder: pong
08:45 < owl> <-- school
08:45 < owl> interesting *yaaaaawn*
08:47 < blindcoder> sleeping @ school again, hm?
08:48 < owl> yep. something like that... but first writing a "report" about "strukturierte programmierung"
08:50 < blindcoder> hmm... /me always just start programming with no structure whatsoever)
08:57 < owl> tsss
08:58 < blindcoder> well, sometimes something comes out of it :)
09:06 < owl> hm....
09:06 < owl> and what's about "objektorierentiere programmierung" ?
09:09 < blindcoder> yes, I use several objects during programming
09:09 < blindcoder> My keyboard, my monitor, my cup of coffee, my girlfriend...^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
09:10 < owl> blindcoder: tsss...
09:10 < blindcoder> besides libgli is OO
09:17 < owl> i c.
09:19 < owl> do you know "anjuta"?
09:22 < blindcoder>  no
09:24 < blindcoder> sounds like a cute girl, when will you introduce me to her? :)
09:24 < owl> blindcoder: it's an IDE
09:26 < blindcoder> oh... too bad
09:26 * blindcoder uses screen + vim + make as his IDE of choice
09:27 < owl> hm
09:29 < blindcoder> hmm
09:29 < blindcoder> I wonder if I should send this patch to the fileutils-guys yet
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09:36 < holyolli> moin
09:37 < blindcoder> moin holyolli
09:37 < holyolli> hi blindcoder
09:38 < owl> hi holyolli
09:38 < holyolli> hi owl
09:39 < holyolli> does anybody have some experiences with bugtracking glibc...? ;)
09:44 < blindcoder> okay, patch sent ...*shiver*
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09:53 < holyolli_> re...
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09:55 < blindcoder> moin praenti
09:56 < praenti> moin blindcoder
09:56 < praenti> do you have seen this error before
09:56 < praenti> graphics.o(.text+0x6c5): In function `TTYDRV_DC_Rectangle':
09:56 < praenti> /root/wine-20030115/dlls/ttydrv/graphics.c:227: undefined reference to `acs_map'
09:57 < blindcoder> erm... no
09:57 < praenti> i get this when i compile wine on rock 1.6pre3
09:57 < praenti> ok.
09:57 < blindcoder> but I bet you haven't seen the error I get with gcc3 in the bootdisk-target either :)
09:57 < praenti> let me see
09:57 < holyolli_> moint praenti
09:57 < blindcoder> mom
10:10 < owl> <off
10:53 < praenti> huebi: i have seen, that we have a very dirty binary of ncurses on rock1.6pre3
10:53 < praenti> too many confopts 1.7 hase only 2
10:53 < praenti> s/e//
10:54 < praenti> ans wine has a problem to link against
10:54 < praenti> s/s/d
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11:34 < th> praenti: ncurses hmm
11:34 < th> praenti: could you send a patch?
11:41 < esden> hi ho
11:41 < blindcoder> hi esden
11:41 < blindcoder> esden: how was the pizza yesterday?
12:14 * fake has the first .gem-file ready on the cobalt...
12:14 < fake> (well, it's only linux24-src, but the hell, it works!)
12:15 < fake> <- at sun, getting lunch
12:15 < fake> later
13:07 < owl> re
13:10 < fake> re
13:10 < fake> owl: at school?
13:12 < fake> praenti: what does wine need ncurses for?
13:16 < owl> fake: yeah :-((( *cry*
13:16 < fake> owl: hehe.
13:16 < fake> owl: what's the problem?
13:16 < owl> fake: it sooooo interesting *yawn*
13:17 < fake> owl: then take a nap
13:17 < owl> a nap?
13:17 < blindcoder> re
13:17 < fake> what i do in the morning in the train is a nap - a short period of sleep.
13:17 < fake> (very recreating!)
13:17 < fake> blindcoder: hi
13:18 < fake> == 07:49:26 =[9]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.1 1.7-snapshot].
13:18 < fake> oh mann
13:18 < owl> fake: ah so
13:18 < fake> the clock is set correctly...
13:19 < blindcoder> hehe
13:19 < owl> fake: do you know some "vorteile" of ipv4 im gegesatz zu ipv6?
13:19 < blindcoder> fake: don't be so "ungeduldig"
13:19 < blindcoder> I can't even build an optimised boot-disk target here
13:19 < fake> blindcoder: i want it NOW ! Yesterday!
13:19 < fake> owl: it;s established.
13:20 < owl> thx
13:20 < fake> owl: are you writing a test currently ? ;)
13:20 < owl> fake: nope.
13:21 < fake> good. i would have tried to come up with s/th better then...
13:21 < owl> *lol* writing a test on my notebook... would be cool
13:21 < fake> i always have irc open when writing a test
13:21 < fake> (i write on paper, notebook in front of me ;)
13:22 < fake> owl: i might install wavelan tomorrow
13:22 < owl> omg. and nobody complaningin?
13:22 < owl> at school?
13:22 < fake> owl: nobody will notice *g*
13:22 < owl> urgs
13:26 < owl> fake: do you know when the "zwischenpruefung" is?
13:32 < fake> owl: in march, i thought
13:33 < owl> :-( thx
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13:40 < vectrax> hi
13:40 < owl> hi vectrax
13:40 < blindcoder> hi vectrax
13:46 < blindcoder> owl: are you looking forward and learning like crazy for the "zwischenpruefung"
13:48 < owl> blindcoder: jein
13:49 < owl> but what for is the question... *hmrpf*
13:49 < blindcoder> just checking if you're doing well :)
13:50 < blindcoder> You should know a good part about ISDN and how it woks as well as just about anything about subnetting
13:50 < blindcoder> not that I want to make you nervous :)
13:50 < owl> and what for? for a comp. which probably doesn't guarantee that you complete your stupid training
13:50 < owl> ?
13:50 < owl> brb
13:51 < fake> owl: you write the test for your own career, not for your company
13:51 < blindcoder> owl: you still have a job, do you?
13:51 < fake> wee, the 6th adn 7th mouse button works... (how easy..)
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13:53 < blindcoder> how many buttons does your mouse have??
13:55 < fake> 7?
13:55 < fake> intellimouse explorer... -_-
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13:57 < vectrax> hmm...
13:57 < vectrax> re ;)
13:59 < blindcoder> re vectrax
13:59 < blindcoder> fake: oh... my Logitech mice always had only 5 buttonsn (3+wheel) so I was surprised :)
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14:10 < Mike1> Gutten Morgen
14:10 < vectrax> hi mike
14:10 < Mike1> hi vectrax
14:18 < blindcoder> moin Mike1
14:24 < Mike1> moin blindy
14:24 < rolla> re
14:25 < blindcoder> re rolla
14:25 < blindcoder> oh boy... that day is a looooong one again >_<
14:25 < Mike1> re rolla
14:28 < vectrax> hi rolla
14:39 < owl> re
14:39 < owl> still - yes
14:40 < blindcoder> *yawns*
15:01 < fake> attention, spam follows:
15:01 < fake> == 07:49:26 =[9]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.1 1.7-snapshot].
15:01 < fake> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
15:01 < fake> -> Preparing build in src.glibc.1043131720.868.2098523942
15:01 < fake> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-glibc.out
15:01 < fake> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-glibc.out -> 9-glibc.log
15:01 < fake> == 01/21/03 14:34:43 =[9]=> Finished building package glibc.
15:01 < fake> Creating binary package file for glibc.
15:01 < fake> -> Building build/.../pkgs/glibc.tar.bz2
15:01 < fake> -> Building build/.../pkgs/glibc.gem
15:01 < fake> -> Removing temporary tar.bz2.
15:01 < fake> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! *jumparound*
15:02 < fake> glibc-2.3.1 for mipsel-unknown-linux-gnu (runs on my pda, too *g*+
15:04 < rolla> wow
15:07 < blindcoder> nice
15:10 * blindcoder still needs to find out the differences in building gcc3 in bootdisk and generic target >_<
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15:45 < tcr> moin all
15:45 < th> moin tcr ;)
15:47 < tcr> :P
15:48 < esden> morning
15:49 < tcr> moin esden
15:50 < tcr> could it be that someone here pasted a url to a site where a way is described how to tinker a computer in a suite case?
15:51 < tcr> i remember there is such an article, and i also know that someone posted the url in some channel at some day *g*
15:52 < esden> that is very specific description tcr ;-)
15:53 < tcr> hmm?
15:54 < esden> weasel@apollo:~/irclogs/rocklinux$ grep suite rocklinux-200?-??-?? | grep case
15:54 < esden> rocklinux-2003-01-21:15:50 < tcr> could it be that someone here pasted a url to a site where a way is described how to tinker a computer in a suite case?
15:54 < esden> weasel@apollo:~/irclogs/rocklinux$
15:55 < tcr> hmm, maybe some has just pasted the url without any comment
15:56 < tcr> anever mind, not that important anyway
16:07 < esden> kk
16:11 < rolla> re esden
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16:15 < ringo30> th: compiled mc without gpm ... No core dumps any more.
16:16 < rolla> grr
16:16 < rolla> how is it that in #perl they will not help with anything about perl :(
16:16 * tcr brb
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16:17 * th is on dvorak. be patient.
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16:19 < tcr> re
16:20 < rolla> re tcr
16:30 < esden> re rolla 
16:30 < esden> rolla: sorry ... I had no time yesterday to start the upload ... >_<
16:30 < esden> I promise to start it today ..
16:32 < vectrax> cu
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16:36 < rolla> :)
16:58 < esden> cu all
17:01 < blindcoder> rehi
17:15 < tcr> hi blindcoder!
17:16 < blindcoder> hi tcr
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18:41 < owl> re
18:42 < tcr> hi owl
18:42 < owl> hi tcr
18:43 < blindcoder> re owl
18:43 < blindcoder> (me currently back to qwertz, please bear with me :)
18:43 < owl> blindcoder: what happened? ;)
18:43 < blindcoder> owl: wrong keyboard here
18:44 < blindcoder> and no idea how to tell WinXP to switch the layout
18:44 < owl> isn't it similar to win2k?
18:44 < tcr> why does the big fat bloke use windows?
18:44 < blindcoder> not at all >_<
18:45 < blindcoder> what's a bloke? anyways, I'm here at bingo e.V. and the ROCK here isn't at all what Im used to
18:45 < blindcoder> it would take days to set it up properly
18:45 < tcr> bloke, guy, man, ..
18:45 < blindcoder> ah, okay
18:48 < owl> root@brain:/root# shutdown -n NOW
18:49 < owl> damn... why doesn't it work... stupid dentist *cries*
18:50 < blindcoder> rmmod pain
18:50 < blindcoder> damn... who compiled pain statically into the kernel
18:51 < owl> yep. that's a bug. not a feature.
18:52 < tcr> not if ( self->type == MASOCHIST )
18:52 * owl 's self->type !) MASOCHIST ;)
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19:07 < Mike1> re
19:08 < owl> wb Mike1
19:08 < Mike1> danke schatzi
19:08 < owl> Mike1: now i'm shocked
19:10 < Mike1> owly that was d3mian whom is herew with me
19:10 < owl> omgr
19:10 < owl> -r
19:10 < owl> greets to him, btw
19:11 < blindcoder> re Mike
19:11 < blindcoder> hi demian
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20:20 < esden> hi all
20:21 < rolla> re
20:23 < Mike1> greetings esdy und rolla
20:24 < snyke> esdi
20:24 < snyke> :)
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20:36 < owl> hi esden, rolla
20:36 < owl> and re
20:36 < owl> and hi snyke
20:37 < snyke> hi owl
20:37 < tcr> *g* i ask me when the greeting phase will ever end
20:37 < snyke> hi tcr
20:37 < snyke> :P
20:37 < owl> tcr: never ;)
20:37 < rolla> re tcr
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20:38 < tcr> what did i say..
20:38 < tcr> c'mon .. there must be something to discuss..
20:40 < fake> the efforts to save the environment in the chzech republic?
20:40 < fake> good evening ;)
20:41 < tcr> i bet rolla havent even heard of the czech republic ;)
20:41 < fake> .oO( oder die kulturfoerderung in romaenien! )
20:42 < rolla> tcr that is a very ignorate thing to say
20:42 < tcr> what culture in romania are you talking about anyway? ;)
20:43 < rolla> how about germans moving to a 40 hour work week?
20:43 < tcr> rolla: sigh should I have emphasizied the smiley?
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20:43 < rolla> yes
20:43 < Mike1> re (2)
20:43 < fake> from 120 down to 40 ? cool
20:43 < rolla> tcr: sorry I don't like being classed as the dumb american
20:43 < rolla> fake: you are the exception :)
20:43 < rolla> fake: you are not in a union?
20:44 < fake> there is no union for the IT area in germany (yet) and our company is too small to create it's own
20:44 < owl> hi fake
20:45 < rolla> fake: unions suck
20:45 < rolla> don't let them come ing
20:45 < rolla> re owl
20:46 < tcr> rolla: never ever take me seriously, especially on such things. Besides, i guess even the majority of german people havent heard about, though it lays next to us
20:46 < owl> and what's with ver.di? i guess the IT area is also their area, a bit, isn't it?
20:46 < rolla> :)
20:47 < fake> owl: no way
20:47 < fake> rolla: yes, unions suck. they draw a to broad border between employers and employees...
20:47 < owl> hm.
20:48 < tcr> hmm, that ver.di is that successfull is odd to me anyway, If i was a boss of a company, i just would fire all strikers.. i mean with 4million unemployed people..
20:48 * rolla hate unions with all his ebing
20:48 < rolla> ver.di ?
20:48 < Mike1> ping [anders]
20:48 < rolla> that is something I do not know
20:48 < tcr> that is something you actually do not have to know ;)
20:49 < fake> rolla: german union about service area (tertionary sector...)
20:49 < esden> ahh hi fake 
20:49 < rolla> achso
20:49 < esden> good you are here ;-)
20:49 < fake> hi esden
20:49 < owl> why hating unions? they're fighting for the employees rights. and imho that's not bad
20:49 < rolla> they are not
20:49 < esden> fake: which program have you used for txt2speach ?
20:49 < fake> owl: you are a typical old-economist
20:49 < rolla> they fight to get more money in the union bak accounts
20:49 < fake> esden: can't remember
20:49 < owl> socialistic
20:49 < rolla> s/bak/bank/
20:49 < esden> sic >_<
20:50 < rolla> owl who is?
20:50 < fake> owl: once you are an employer, and emply emplyees, you will see things in a different light.
20:50 < owl> <-- not old-economist. just socialist
20:50 < rolla> ach
20:51 < tcr> emply?
20:51 < tcr> or did you mean amply?
20:51 < fake> employ
20:51 < tcr> or
20:51 < tcr> oh
20:52 < owl> fake: that would even not happen in 10 further lifes i guess. and - yes - it's bad for the companies. but if you see what those managment guys and so on are often doing like firing lots of people and so on, then you will see what unions are good for imho
20:52 < tcr> what do they do for fired people?
20:52 < rolla> unions are good for nothing any more
20:53 < fake> owl: if its bad for the company, it's bad for the employees, too!
20:53 < fake> damn it!
20:53 < rolla> very true
20:53 < fake> no company, no emplyees!
20:53 < rolla> fake: are german unions like american unions?
20:54 < rolla> here union workers are lazy good for nothings that must take 10 min. breaks every hour
20:54 < fake> rolla: are american unions like german unions?
20:54 < owl> tcr: for example they're using their right to put pressure to the politics (if they want to "mildern" "kicking-off-laws") and sometimes they're also fighting agains "massenentlassungen" and so on
20:55 < rolla> owl: once the union leaders are no longer working for anything other than the unions they only want more money for themselves
20:55 < owl> fake: think what you want to think. and i'm doing the same. but don't get angry if someone has another opinion. dot.
20:55 < tcr> mildern = softern or moderate, and massenentlassungen = mass dismissal (for rolla)
20:55 < fake> owl: i am not angry?
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20:56 < owl> rolla: not working for anything other than the unions?
20:56 < rolla> tcr: danke
20:56 < owl> fake: ok then
20:56 < rolla> yes
20:56 < d3bian> umm
20:56 < rolla> owl: here the head of the unions work for the union it is their job
20:56 -!- d3bian is now known as demian
20:56 < demian> not d3bian !
20:56 < demian> :)
20:56 < demian> hi all
20:56 < fake> it's just another point of view you should try to understand. if you prevent a neccesary 'massenentlassung', the company will suffer even more, and NO_ONE will be employed anymore if the company is gone.
20:57 < rolla> owl: instead of working in the feild the union serves
20:57 < owl> rolla: k
20:57 < fake> the government then gives money to prevent the loss of jobs and tries to save a rotten company that has nowhere to go but into the grave, money that would have been needed elsewise.
20:58 < fake> but that's not a subject for #rocklinux, i'm afraid ;)
20:59 < owl> fake: and often the jobs are moved to outside the country... cuz it's cheap than e.g. producing in germany.or because the managment has better "social" connections to other companies and so on... or because of other reasons... and there are massenentlassungen... and could be hindered by laws etc.
21:00 < fake> owl: it's not that easy. why is germany expensive? because the people demand so much money (using the unions, they force it!)
21:00 < fake> owl: there is never such a thing as a siple explanation
21:01 < fake> owl: it's not black-and-white, us-and-them, see?
21:02 < tcr> "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself." is a very nice proverb IMO
21:02 < owl> fake: why is it more expanensive to produce software e.g. in germany than in - belarus or so? often those guys from there are more qualified... and get less money... and so on.
21:02 < tcr> but off topic to this discussion ;)
21:03 < owl> fake: and yes - you're right: there are thousands of (horrible) explanations.
21:03 < tcr> owl: because the conditions in germany are the most fucking ones that could be imagined
21:03 < tcr> owl: all the burocratic stuff is preventing.
21:03 < fake> owl: the situation is never bad and never good. it's like it is. it's usually not our job to judge. we're here to code. ;)
21:03 < owl> tcr: not jsut this
21:04 < owl> fake: ... and die.
21:04 < fake> remember: first code, than die.
21:04 < fake> (important)
21:04 < fake> *writingayellowpostitnoteandstickingittoowlsmonitor*
21:04 < owl> hm. why so? then you will got not a mass-grave, but a grave for your own, sponsored by company?
21:05 < owl> fake: ;P
21:05 < fake> owl: no, when you;re dead, you can't code (i assume).
21:05 < owl> fake: oh. might someone should try it... coding from the other side (tm)
21:06 < fake>  /~ on the other side, i'll implement you again, on the other side .. ~/
21:06 < fake> (Silke Bischof tune in the background)
21:07 < owl> but you're right. we should support better those fscking managers and other guys to guarantee them a great carreer - until thei're firing us
21:07 < owl> *g* cool song ;P
21:09 < fake> owl: you should become self-employed. then you could have arguments with yourself _all_day_ !
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21:09 < owl> fake: no money. to become self-employed. and i don't want to get a _own_ bancrupt company. thx. i prefer companies i'm working at, when they 're becoming bancrupt
21:10 < fake> owl: well, then you should enjoy it ;)
21:10 < owl> fake: pah ;P
21:11 < owl> i will definately do so
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21:45 < esden> rofl that really works !
21:48 < esden> viavoice is really cool 
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21:49 < Mike1> re
21:49 < owl> re Mike1
21:50 < Mike1> whats up hugwly?
21:51 < fake> esden: what are you doing?
21:51 < owl> Mike1: *grml*
21:52 < Mike1> hmpf..
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21:52 < esden> i am letting my computer read some websites ;-)
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21:52 < Mike1> hehe
21:53 < esden> that is working pretty well
21:53 < fake> with viavoice from ibm?
21:53 < esden> yes
21:54 < fake> (i always that that was voice recognition software?)
21:55 < esden> yes it is ... but only for windows
21:55 < esden> for linux it is a TTS sdk with samples
21:56 < esden> works pretty well and out of the box ... when you extract all you need out of the rpm's ;-)
21:57 < esden> the two links that are needed: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Emacspeak-HOWTO/appendixb.html and http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~laird/Linux/ViaVoice/
21:57 < esden> I have not found the viavoice linux tarballs on the ibm site ... :-/
21:58 < esden> but everywhere in the net is being said that it should be there and for free ...
22:00 < fake> hm
22:00 < fake> <- trying it, too ;)
22:01 < esden> *GG*
22:01 < esden> there is a perl module for viavoice interfacing
22:01 * Mike1 made a linux workstation for a blindguy using emacspeak over 2 years ago
22:02 < esden> and how does it work ?
22:02 < esden> have you used as synthesizer ?
22:03 < Mike1> esdy very nicely, it is rocked :)
22:03 < esden> cool !
22:03 < Mike1> though all docs and references available point to an old slackware version
22:04 < fake> rock package, anyone? *g*
22:05 < esden> fake: always the one who asks ;-)
22:06 < Mike1> fake: i will need to look at my old notes on this but maybe i could make it for ya
22:07 < esden> gvoice: "A plugin for GKrellM that allows the user to have voice alerts." 
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22:48 < fake> esden: how did you do it?
22:48 < owl> <-- sleeping
22:48 < owl> good night. cu
22:48 < fake> esden: i just rpm2cpio'd the rpm and extracted it...
22:48 < fake> owl: n8
22:48 < fake> esden: but it is quite not-working ;)
22:48 < fake> where to look?
22:49 < Mike1> ping SatgX
22:51 < fake> ah
22:51 < fake> i got it already
22:51 < fake> thanks, anyways
22:51 < esden> fake: you menaged to get it running ?
22:52 < fake> jep
22:52 < esden> ok ... 
22:53 * -> esden trying to extract article texts out of slashdot ... so I can let viavoice read it automatically
22:53 < esden> but it is fscking difficult ... 
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22:53 < esden> headlines are easy to get due to rdf ... but not the contents ... >_<
22:53 < fake> esden: there are tools for it
22:53 < esden> where 
22:53 < fake> slashdot has a backend...
22:54 < fake> i had a tool for mbrola once
22:54 < esden> I could not find anything that would give me the article texts in raw 
22:54 < esden> or xml
22:54 < esden> or something that is parsable
22:59 < fake> esden: did ypu listen to that file?
22:59 < fake> runcmdlinespeakfile ?
22:59 < esden> yes I have
22:59 < fake> *rofl*
22:59 < fake> but mbrola's quality is much much better...
23:00 < esden> yes pretty funny ... but that you still have to force the syntheser to use emphasis ... 
23:00 < esden> but you can make pretty funny things with it ...
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23:00 < fake> esden: should he guess where to emphasise?
23:01 < esden> fake: no use neuronal networks to know how to emphase
23:01 < esden> ;-)
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23:02 < esden> fake: can you give me the url of mbrola ?
23:02 < fake> oh, no, i did that a few years ago... it's boring... ;))
23:03 < fake> esden: i can give you a cd and a linuxuser magazine
23:03 < fake> or simply search for it on fm/sf
23:03 < fake> i can't remember
23:03 < esden> uhum
23:03 < fake> but that magazine wasn't bad - made me reach what i initally needed a whole night for in 15 minutes
23:03 < fake> (but they say nothing about /dev/speech *g*)
23:04 < esden> *niah* *niah*
23:04 < esden> hmm ... but to have a hardware speach syntheser would be cool ;-)
23:05 < fake> nikolaus filus is making me nervous
23:05 < esden> why ? o_O
23:05 < fake> my new shiny p3 build is currently at qt-31 in stage 9...
23:05 < fake> and building since an hour
23:05 * Mike1 trying to imagine fake nervous ..
23:06 * fake tail -f'ing the los
23:06 < fake> s,los,logs,
23:06 < esden> there is not much to see Mike1 ... you only should not disturb him in such moments ...
23:07 < Mike1> esden: ah i see ... thanks for the warning
23:07 < Mike1> :)
23:07 < fake> i might need a cigarette now...
23:07 < Mike1> enjoy fake
23:07 < esden> fake: no you do not !
23:11 < fake> and rene just shot me.
23:11 < fake> .oO(damn, i was so eager to try kde3.1)
23:13 < Mike1> poor fake
23:18 < snyke> pua fäik
23:18 < fake> make[4]: *** [qmake_image_collection.cpp] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
23:18 < fake> *grml*
23:18 < fake> Creating binary package file for qt-31. huh?
23:18 < fake> ah. it uses the files from stage 5?
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23:44 < esden> gn8 
23:45 < fake> n8!
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