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--- Log opened Tue Jan 21 00:00:06 2003 --- Day changed Tue Jan 21 2003 00:03 < owl> <-- off. 00:03 < owl> gn8 00:04 < holyolli> n8 owl 00:21 < ringo30_> n8 owl ! 00:21 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.229] has joined #rocklinux 00:21 < demian> re 00:22 < holyolli> re demian 00:26 -!- ringo30_ [ringo78@xs1.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 00:27 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs4.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 00:49 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-181.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("X-Chat: Windows 95, coded entirely by blondes") 01:10 < demian> cya 01:10 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.229] has left #rocklinux () 01:32 < ringo30> *** debug [lib/liblow.c(204)]: VC: 0 Segmentation fault (core dumped) what is the name of this lib ? 01:34 < ringo30> Anybody still awake pse ? 01:53 < th> ringo30: that's gpm 01:54 < ringo30> th: Thanks How do you get that info? 01:54 < th> IIRC i grepped for it 01:55 < th> in fact i used ldd to narrow the filecount i had to grep 01:55 < ringo30> IIRC log file ? 01:55 < th> IIRC == if i recall correctly 01:56 < ringo30> ok not so familair with irc statements... Now got to fix it ..... hmm 01:57 < th> well apply the gpm-patch 01:57 < th> 1.7 or 1.5/1.6? 01:57 < ringo30> 1.6 pre 3 01:57 < th> cool 01:57 < th> so just: 01:58 < th> cd /usr/src/rock-src 01:58 < th> ./scripts/Update gpm 01:58 < th> ./scripts/Download -package gpm 01:58 < th> ./scripts/Build-Pkg gpm 01:58 < th> and it's fixed 01:59 < ringo30> th: hmm thanks for the info. 01:59 < ringo30> applying ... 02:00 < th> in which application did this appear? 02:00 < th> w3m 02:00 < th> ? 02:03 < ringo30> mc sri for the delay. 02:04 < ringo30> it crashes when you run an app and then return to midnight commander. 02:04 < th> ahh mc 02:04 < th> ok 02:16 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 02:18 < th> ringo30: did that fix your problem? 02:21 < ringo30> not yet added swap perm first ... 02:23 < th> permissions? 02:23 < th> partition? 02:23 < ringo30> permanently made swap partion active in runlevel 2 02:23 < th> ahh ok 02:24 < ringo30> is it ok to do that in a runlevel ? 02:24 < th> i don't see reason for that 02:25 < th> i always add them to fstab 02:27 < ringo30> ok will fix it that way, nicer less hassle. 02:31 < ringo30> qwestion : If I do ./scripts/Build-Pkg gpm it will be directly installed ? 02:32 < th> yes 02:33 < ringo30> Ok. I dont get any err from liblow.c but m still core dumps. 02:33 < ringo30> midnight commander 02:33 < th> hmm ok. 02:33 < th> let me reproduce that 02:34 < th> i started mc 02:34 < th> what now? 02:35 < ringo30> mc says something like ... update /usr/lib/mc/extfs/extfs.ini any idea waht needs to be altered ? 02:35 < th> no 02:38 < th> so can't show me how to reproduce the core dump with mc? 02:39 < ringo30> you want it to core dump to ? Or do I have to examin them ? 02:39 < th> you shall tell me what i need to do to make mc core dump 02:40 < ringo30> run it and then ls or wahtever it then coredumps over here. 02:41 < th> hmm 02:41 < th> it does not do so here 02:41 < ringo30> what Rock version do you have ? 02:41 < th> 1.5/1.6 02:42 < ringo30> hmm ... funny I am allways the lucky guy... 02:43 < th> did you install from pre3 iso? 02:44 < ringo30> yep 02:44 < th> did you do anything special after that? 02:44 < ringo30> nope just some routine stuff to get it up. 02:44 < th> hmmm 02:45 < th> perhaps your hardware is broken? 02:45 < ringo30> hope not, could be kernel problem but I dont think so. 02:45 < th> me neither 02:46 < ringo30> Jan 21 03:43:22 localhost gpm[24055]: *** info [gpm.c(673)]: 02:46 < ringo30> this is what I find /var/log/messages A_LOT 02:47 < th> are you in x? 02:47 < ringo30> nope terminal 02:47 < th> perhaps some framebuffer-issue? 02:47 < th> does mc run ok in x? 02:48 < ringo30> dunno I havent had that up (yet). 02:49 < th> is gpm running? 02:49 < th> and functioning? 02:49 < ringo30> yep luckely .. 02:51 < th> hmmm 02:51 < th> kill gpm and check if mc crashs 02:53 < ringo30> still crashes but it waits until a key is pressed to go back to mc 02:53 < th> hmm 02:54 < ringo30> frame buffer that could very very well be .... Sorry didnt read that... 02:56 < ringo30> I have installed frame buffer for nvidia (experimental)... 02:56 < th> uhm 02:56 < th> i think svga framebuffer is the better choice here 02:56 < ringo30> ok i'll burn other kernel. 02:57 < ringo30> vesa vga graph console ? 02:57 < th> yes 02:58 < ringo30> ok compiling ... 03:03 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs4.xs4all.nl] has quit ("rebooting") 03:09 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs4.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 03:09 < ringo30> still segfaults...;-( 03:10 < th> hmmm 03:10 < th> try x 03:10 < ringo30> But @ least its a very better option, i didnt enable vga=-3 so no fb will be present. 03:17 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs4.xs4all.nl] has quit ("rebooting") 03:23 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs4.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 03:25 < ringo30> you have to fill in @ boot time mode 313 ? 03:25 < th> i don't know 03:25 < th> i don't use fb any more 03:25 < th> but i never passed append lines for vesa fb 03:26 < th> but i almost never use mc either 03:27 < ringo30> cant live without mc ... Its very handy tool. I love it! I will have to tackle da problem ... 03:30 < th> i like a good shell better 03:35 < ringo30> You are right, but I am lazy (one of the main virtues of a programmer ;-) ). 03:38 < th> takes too long for me to change e.g. into a directory 03:40 < ringo30> hmm how do you navigate ? 03:40 < th> tab completion 03:40 < ringo30> yehh could try that 2. 03:41 < ringo30> bash korn cshell ? 03:41 < th> tcsh 03:44 < ringo30> hmm will look it up. I love nutshell guide. 03:47 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 03:59 < ringo30> th which version of mc do you "use" ? 04:01 < th> hehe 04:01 < th> lemme check 04:01 < th> GNU Midnight Commander 4.5.55 04:01 < th> Edition: text mode with X11 support to read modifiers 04:01 < th> Virtual File System: tarfs, extfs, ftpfs, mcfs, undelfs 04:02 < ringo30> ok I am recompiling.... Maybe .... 04:02 < ringo30> I have the same ... 04:05 < ringo30> I recompiled and its 4 times the orignal size .... no opt just ./configure ; make ; make install ... 04:29 < ringo30> gdb gives : #0 0x4008ffc2 in Gpm_Open () from /usr/lib/libgpm.so.1 04:30 < ringo30> th ? 04:34 < th> ack? 04:35 < th> hmm 04:40 < ringo30> think its something with gpm >I remember the configure script was broken it only said oops usage gpm -m /dev/mouse -t mouse type and I cpuld not get out of that loop. 04:41 < ringo30> so I broke the setup shell at that point. 05:35 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs4.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 06:59 < blindcoder> moin 07:20 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p5090A561.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:34 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p5090A4DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:43 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p508025DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("leaving") 08:28 < owl> hi 08:38 < blindcoder> moin owli 08:43 < blindcoder> owl: ping 08:44 < owl> blindcoder: pong 08:45 < owl> <-- school 08:45 < owl> interesting *yaaaaawn* 08:47 < blindcoder> sleeping @ school again, hm? 08:48 < owl> yep. something like that... but first writing a "report" about "strukturierte programmierung" 08:50 < blindcoder> hmm... /me always just start programming with no structure whatsoever) 08:57 < owl> tsss 08:58 < blindcoder> well, sometimes something comes out of it :) 09:06 < owl> hm.... 09:06 < owl> and what's about "objektorierentiere programmierung" ? 09:09 < blindcoder> yes, I use several objects during programming 09:09 < blindcoder> My keyboard, my monitor, my cup of coffee, my girlfriend...^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H 09:10 < owl> blindcoder: tsss... 09:10 < blindcoder> besides libgli is OO 09:17 < owl> i c. 09:19 < owl> do you know "anjuta"? 09:22 < blindcoder> no 09:24 < blindcoder> sounds like a cute girl, when will you introduce me to her? :) 09:24 < owl> blindcoder: it's an IDE 09:26 < blindcoder> oh... too bad 09:26 * blindcoder uses screen + vim + make as his IDE of choice 09:27 < owl> hm 09:29 < blindcoder> hmm 09:29 < blindcoder> I wonder if I should send this patch to the fileutils-guys yet 09:36 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-181.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:36 < holyolli> moin 09:37 < blindcoder> moin holyolli 09:37 < holyolli> hi blindcoder 09:38 < owl> hi holyolli 09:38 < holyolli> hi owl 09:39 < holyolli> does anybody have some experiences with bugtracking glibc...? ;) 09:44 < blindcoder> okay, patch sent ...*shiver* 09:53 -!- holyolli_ [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-165.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:53 < holyolli_> re... 09:53 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-181.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:54 -!- praenti [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:55 < blindcoder> moin praenti 09:56 < praenti> moin blindcoder 09:56 < praenti> do you have seen this error before 09:56 < praenti> graphics.o(.text+0x6c5): In function `TTYDRV_DC_Rectangle': 09:56 < praenti> /root/wine-20030115/dlls/ttydrv/graphics.c:227: undefined reference to `acs_map' 09:57 < blindcoder> erm... no 09:57 < praenti> i get this when i compile wine on rock 1.6pre3 09:57 < praenti> ok. 09:57 < blindcoder> but I bet you haven't seen the error I get with gcc3 in the bootdisk-target either :) 09:57 < praenti> let me see 09:57 < holyolli_> moint praenti 09:57 < blindcoder> mom 10:10 < owl> <off 10:53 < praenti> huebi: i have seen, that we have a very dirty binary of ncurses on rock1.6pre3 10:53 < praenti> too many confopts 1.7 hase only 2 10:53 < praenti> s/e// 10:54 < praenti> ans wine has a problem to link against 10:54 < praenti> s/s/d 11:13 -!- holyolli_ [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-165.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("X-Chat: to the rescue!") 11:34 < th> praenti: ncurses hmm 11:34 < th> praenti: could you send a patch? 11:41 < esden> hi ho 11:41 < blindcoder> hi esden 11:41 < blindcoder> esden: how was the pizza yesterday? 12:14 * fake has the first .gem-file ready on the cobalt... 12:14 < fake> (well, it's only linux24-src, but the hell, it works!) 12:15 < fake> <- at sun, getting lunch 12:15 < fake> later 13:07 < owl> re 13:10 < fake> re 13:10 < fake> owl: at school? 13:12 < fake> praenti: what does wine need ncurses for? 13:16 < owl> fake: yeah :-((( *cry* 13:16 < fake> owl: hehe. 13:16 < fake> owl: what's the problem? 13:16 < owl> fake: it sooooo interesting *yawn* 13:17 < fake> owl: then take a nap 13:17 < owl> a nap? 13:17 < blindcoder> re 13:17 < fake> what i do in the morning in the train is a nap - a short period of sleep. 13:17 < fake> (very recreating!) 13:17 < fake> blindcoder: hi 13:18 < fake> == 07:49:26 =[9]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.1 1.7-snapshot]. 13:18 < fake> oh mann 13:18 < owl> fake: ah so 13:18 < fake> the clock is set correctly... 13:19 < blindcoder> hehe 13:19 < owl> fake: do you know some "vorteile" of ipv4 im gegesatz zu ipv6? 13:19 < blindcoder> fake: don't be so "ungeduldig" 13:19 < blindcoder> I can't even build an optimised boot-disk target here 13:19 < fake> blindcoder: i want it NOW ! Yesterday! 13:19 < fake> owl: it;s established. 13:20 < owl> thx 13:20 < fake> owl: are you writing a test currently ? ;) 13:20 < owl> fake: nope. 13:21 < fake> good. i would have tried to come up with s/th better then... 13:21 < owl> *lol* writing a test on my notebook... would be cool 13:21 < fake> i always have irc open when writing a test 13:21 < fake> (i write on paper, notebook in front of me ;) 13:22 < fake> owl: i might install wavelan tomorrow 13:22 < owl> omg. and nobody complaningin? 13:22 < owl> at school? 13:22 < fake> owl: nobody will notice *g* 13:22 < owl> urgs 13:26 < owl> fake: do you know when the "zwischenpruefung" is? 13:32 < fake> owl: in march, i thought 13:33 < owl> :-( thx 13:39 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p50801BD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:39 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F7AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@p50801BD5.dip.t-dialin.net))) 13:39 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 13:40 -!- vectrax [~vectrax@pD9EB6D4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:40 < vectrax> hi 13:40 < owl> hi vectrax 13:40 < blindcoder> hi vectrax 13:46 < blindcoder> owl: are you looking forward and learning like crazy for the "zwischenpruefung" 13:48 < owl> blindcoder: jein 13:49 < owl> but what for is the question... *hmrpf* 13:49 < blindcoder> just checking if you're doing well :) 13:50 < blindcoder> You should know a good part about ISDN and how it woks as well as just about anything about subnetting 13:50 < blindcoder> not that I want to make you nervous :) 13:50 < owl> and what for? for a comp. which probably doesn't guarantee that you complete your stupid training 13:50 < owl> ? 13:50 < owl> brb 13:51 < fake> owl: you write the test for your own career, not for your company 13:51 < blindcoder> owl: you still have a job, do you? 13:51 < fake> wee, the 6th adn 7th mouse button works... (how easy..) 13:51 -!- vectrax [~vectrax@pD9EB6D4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: vectrax_!~vectrax@paradome.de))) 13:53 < blindcoder> how many buttons does your mouse have?? 13:55 < fake> 7? 13:55 < fake> intellimouse explorer... -_- 13:57 -!- vectrax [~vectrax@paradome.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:57 < vectrax> hmm... 13:57 < vectrax> re ;) 13:59 < blindcoder> re vectrax 13:59 < blindcoder> fake: oh... my Logitech mice always had only 5 buttonsn (3+wheel) so I was surprised :) 14:09 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 14:10 < Mike1> Gutten Morgen 14:10 < vectrax> hi mike 14:10 < Mike1> hi vectrax 14:18 < blindcoder> moin Mike1 14:24 < Mike1> moin blindy 14:24 < rolla> re 14:25 < blindcoder> re rolla 14:25 < blindcoder> oh boy... that day is a looooong one again >_< 14:25 < Mike1> re rolla 14:28 < vectrax> hi rolla 14:39 < owl> re 14:39 < owl> still - yes 14:40 < blindcoder> *yawns* 15:01 < fake> attention, spam follows: 15:01 < fake> == 07:49:26 =[9]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.1 1.7-snapshot]. 15:01 < fake> -> Reading package configuration from package directory. 15:01 < fake> -> Preparing build in src.glibc.1043131720.868.2098523942 15:01 < fake> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-glibc.out 15:01 < fake> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-glibc.out -> 9-glibc.log 15:01 < fake> == 01/21/03 14:34:43 =[9]=> Finished building package glibc. 15:01 < fake> Creating binary package file for glibc. 15:01 < fake> -> Building build/.../pkgs/glibc.tar.bz2 15:01 < fake> -> Building build/.../pkgs/glibc.gem 15:01 < fake> -> Removing temporary tar.bz2. 15:01 < fake> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! *jumparound* 15:02 < fake> glibc-2.3.1 for mipsel-unknown-linux-gnu (runs on my pda, too *g*+ 15:04 < rolla> wow 15:07 < blindcoder> nice 15:10 * blindcoder still needs to find out the differences in building gcc3 in bootdisk and generic target >_< 15:22 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:45 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49E9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:45 < tcr> moin all 15:45 < th> moin tcr ;) 15:47 < tcr> :P 15:48 < esden> morning 15:49 < tcr> moin esden 15:50 < tcr> could it be that someone here pasted a url to a site where a way is described how to tinker a computer in a suite case? 15:51 < tcr> i remember there is such an article, and i also know that someone posted the url in some channel at some day *g* 15:52 < esden> that is very specific description tcr ;-) 15:53 < tcr> hmm? 15:54 < esden> weasel@apollo:~/irclogs/rocklinux$ grep suite rocklinux-200?-??-?? | grep case 15:54 < esden> rocklinux-2003-01-21:15:50 < tcr> could it be that someone here pasted a url to a site where a way is described how to tinker a computer in a suite case? 15:54 < esden> weasel@apollo:~/irclogs/rocklinux$ 15:55 < tcr> hmm, maybe some has just pasted the url without any comment 15:56 < tcr> anever mind, not that important anyway 16:07 < esden> kk 16:11 < rolla> re esden 16:15 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 16:15 < ringo30> th: compiled mc without gpm ... No core dumps any more. 16:16 < rolla> grr 16:16 < rolla> how is it that in #perl they will not help with anything about perl :( 16:16 * tcr brb 16:16 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49E9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 16:17 * th is on dvorak. be patient. 16:18 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49F24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:19 < tcr> re 16:20 < rolla> re tcr 16:30 < esden> re rolla 16:30 < esden> rolla: sorry ... I had no time yesterday to start the upload ... >_< 16:30 < esden> I promise to start it today .. 16:32 < vectrax> cu 16:32 -!- vectrax [~vectrax@paradome.de] has quit ("leaving") 16:36 < rolla> :) 16:58 < esden> cu all 17:01 < blindcoder> rehi 17:15 < tcr> hi blindcoder! 17:16 < blindcoder> hi tcr 17:36 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-ls-10-2-dialup-167.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 17:37 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-ls-10-2-dialup-167.freesurf.ch] has quit (Client Quit) 17:40 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p508025DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:35 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 18:41 < owl> re 18:42 < tcr> hi owl 18:42 < owl> hi tcr 18:43 < blindcoder> re owl 18:43 < blindcoder> (me currently back to qwertz, please bear with me :) 18:43 < owl> blindcoder: what happened? ;) 18:43 < blindcoder> owl: wrong keyboard here 18:44 < blindcoder> and no idea how to tell WinXP to switch the layout 18:44 < owl> isn't it similar to win2k? 18:44 < tcr> why does the big fat bloke use windows? 18:44 < blindcoder> not at all >_< 18:45 < blindcoder> what's a bloke? anyways, I'm here at bingo e.V. and the ROCK here isn't at all what Im used to 18:45 < blindcoder> it would take days to set it up properly 18:45 < tcr> bloke, guy, man, .. 18:45 < blindcoder> ah, okay 18:48 < owl> root@brain:/root# shutdown -n NOW 18:49 < owl> damn... why doesn't it work... stupid dentist *cries* 18:50 < blindcoder> rmmod pain 18:50 < blindcoder> damn... who compiled pain statically into the kernel 18:51 < owl> yep. that's a bug. not a feature. 18:52 < tcr> not if ( self->type == MASOCHIST ) 18:52 * owl 's self->type !) MASOCHIST ;) 19:04 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 19:07 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 19:07 < Mike1> re 19:08 < owl> wb Mike1 19:08 < Mike1> danke schatzi 19:08 < owl> Mike1: now i'm shocked 19:10 < Mike1> owly that was d3mian whom is herew with me 19:10 < owl> omgr 19:10 < owl> -r 19:10 < owl> greets to him, btw 19:11 < blindcoder> re Mike 19:11 < blindcoder> hi demian 20:03 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506BD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux 20:20 < esden> hi all 20:21 < rolla> re 20:23 < Mike1> greetings esdy und rolla 20:24 < snyke> esdi 20:24 < snyke> :) 20:30 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 20:36 < owl> hi esden, rolla 20:36 < owl> and re 20:36 < owl> and hi snyke 20:37 < snyke> hi owl 20:37 < tcr> *g* i ask me when the greeting phase will ever end 20:37 < snyke> hi tcr 20:37 < snyke> :P 20:37 < owl> tcr: never ;) 20:37 < rolla> re tcr 20:38 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506BD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #RockLinux ("Client exiting") 20:38 < tcr> what did i say.. 20:38 < tcr> c'mon .. there must be something to discuss.. 20:40 < fake> the efforts to save the environment in the chzech republic? 20:40 < fake> good evening ;) 20:41 < tcr> i bet rolla havent even heard of the czech republic ;) 20:41 < fake> .oO( oder die kulturfoerderung in romaenien! ) 20:42 < rolla> tcr that is a very ignorate thing to say 20:42 < tcr> what culture in romania are you talking about anyway? ;) 20:43 < rolla> how about germans moving to a 40 hour work week? 20:43 < tcr> rolla: sigh should I have emphasizied the smiley? 20:43 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 20:43 < rolla> yes 20:43 < Mike1> re (2) 20:43 < fake> from 120 down to 40 ? cool 20:43 < rolla> tcr: sorry I don't like being classed as the dumb american 20:43 < rolla> fake: you are the exception :) 20:43 < rolla> fake: you are not in a union? 20:44 < fake> there is no union for the IT area in germany (yet) and our company is too small to create it's own 20:44 < owl> hi fake 20:45 < rolla> fake: unions suck 20:45 < rolla> don't let them come ing 20:45 < rolla> re owl 20:46 < tcr> rolla: never ever take me seriously, especially on such things. Besides, i guess even the majority of german people havent heard about, though it lays next to us 20:46 < owl> and what's with ver.di? i guess the IT area is also their area, a bit, isn't it? 20:46 < rolla> :) 20:47 < fake> owl: no way 20:47 < fake> rolla: yes, unions suck. they draw a to broad border between employers and employees... 20:47 < owl> hm. 20:48 < tcr> hmm, that ver.di is that successfull is odd to me anyway, If i was a boss of a company, i just would fire all strikers.. i mean with 4million unemployed people.. 20:48 * rolla hate unions with all his ebing 20:48 < rolla> ver.di ? 20:48 < Mike1> ping [anders] 20:48 < rolla> that is something I do not know 20:48 < tcr> that is something you actually do not have to know ;) 20:49 < fake> rolla: german union about service area (tertionary sector...) 20:49 < esden> ahh hi fake 20:49 < rolla> achso 20:49 < esden> good you are here ;-) 20:49 < fake> hi esden 20:49 < owl> why hating unions? they're fighting for the employees rights. and imho that's not bad 20:49 < rolla> they are not 20:49 < esden> fake: which program have you used for txt2speach ? 20:49 < fake> owl: you are a typical old-economist 20:49 < rolla> they fight to get more money in the union bak accounts 20:49 < fake> esden: can't remember 20:49 < owl> socialistic 20:49 < rolla> s/bak/bank/ 20:49 < esden> sic >_< 20:50 < rolla> owl who is? 20:50 < fake> owl: once you are an employer, and emply emplyees, you will see things in a different light. 20:50 < owl> <-- not old-economist. just socialist 20:50 < rolla> ach 20:51 < tcr> emply? 20:51 < tcr> or did you mean amply? 20:51 < fake> employ 20:51 < tcr> or 20:51 < tcr> oh 20:52 < owl> fake: that would even not happen in 10 further lifes i guess. and - yes - it's bad for the companies. but if you see what those managment guys and so on are often doing like firing lots of people and so on, then you will see what unions are good for imho 20:52 < tcr> what do they do for fired people? 20:52 < rolla> unions are good for nothing any more 20:53 < fake> owl: if its bad for the company, it's bad for the employees, too! 20:53 < fake> damn it! 20:53 < rolla> very true 20:53 < fake> no company, no emplyees! 20:53 < rolla> fake: are german unions like american unions? 20:54 < rolla> here union workers are lazy good for nothings that must take 10 min. breaks every hour 20:54 < fake> rolla: are american unions like german unions? 20:54 < owl> tcr: for example they're using their right to put pressure to the politics (if they want to "mildern" "kicking-off-laws") and sometimes they're also fighting agains "massenentlassungen" and so on 20:55 < rolla> owl: once the union leaders are no longer working for anything other than the unions they only want more money for themselves 20:55 < owl> fake: think what you want to think. and i'm doing the same. but don't get angry if someone has another opinion. dot. 20:55 < tcr> mildern = softern or moderate, and massenentlassungen = mass dismissal (for rolla) 20:55 < fake> owl: i am not angry? 20:56 -!- Mike1 is now known as d3bian 20:56 < owl> rolla: not working for anything other than the unions? 20:56 < rolla> tcr: danke 20:56 < owl> fake: ok then 20:56 < rolla> yes 20:56 < d3bian> umm 20:56 < rolla> owl: here the head of the unions work for the union it is their job 20:56 -!- d3bian is now known as demian 20:56 < demian> not d3bian ! 20:56 < demian> :) 20:56 < demian> hi all 20:56 < fake> it's just another point of view you should try to understand. if you prevent a neccesary 'massenentlassung', the company will suffer even more, and NO_ONE will be employed anymore if the company is gone. 20:57 < rolla> owl: instead of working in the feild the union serves 20:57 < owl> rolla: k 20:57 < fake> the government then gives money to prevent the loss of jobs and tries to save a rotten company that has nowhere to go but into the grave, money that would have been needed elsewise. 20:58 < fake> but that's not a subject for #rocklinux, i'm afraid ;) 20:59 < owl> fake: and often the jobs are moved to outside the country... cuz it's cheap than e.g. producing in germany.or because the managment has better "social" connections to other companies and so on... or because of other reasons... and there are massenentlassungen... and could be hindered by laws etc. 21:00 < fake> owl: it's not that easy. why is germany expensive? because the people demand so much money (using the unions, they force it!) 21:00 < fake> owl: there is never such a thing as a siple explanation 21:01 < fake> owl: it's not black-and-white, us-and-them, see? 21:02 < tcr> "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself." is a very nice proverb IMO 21:02 < owl> fake: why is it more expanensive to produce software e.g. in germany than in - belarus or so? often those guys from there are more qualified... and get less money... and so on. 21:02 < tcr> but off topic to this discussion ;) 21:03 < owl> fake: and yes - you're right: there are thousands of (horrible) explanations. 21:03 < tcr> owl: because the conditions in germany are the most fucking ones that could be imagined 21:03 < tcr> owl: all the burocratic stuff is preventing. 21:03 < fake> owl: the situation is never bad and never good. it's like it is. it's usually not our job to judge. we're here to code. ;) 21:03 < owl> tcr: not jsut this 21:04 < owl> fake: ... and die. 21:04 < fake> remember: first code, than die. 21:04 < fake> (important) 21:04 < fake> *writingayellowpostitnoteandstickingittoowlsmonitor* 21:04 < owl> hm. why so? then you will got not a mass-grave, but a grave for your own, sponsored by company? 21:05 < owl> fake: ;P 21:05 < fake> owl: no, when you;re dead, you can't code (i assume). 21:05 < owl> fake: oh. might someone should try it... coding from the other side (tm) 21:06 < fake> /~ on the other side, i'll implement you again, on the other side .. ~/ 21:06 < fake> (Silke Bischof tune in the background) 21:07 < owl> but you're right. we should support better those fscking managers and other guys to guarantee them a great carreer - until thei're firing us 21:07 < owl> *g* cool song ;P 21:09 < fake> owl: you should become self-employed. then you could have arguments with yourself _all_day_ ! 21:09 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:09 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:09 < owl> fake: no money. to become self-employed. and i don't want to get a _own_ bancrupt company. thx. i prefer companies i'm working at, when they 're becoming bancrupt 21:10 < fake> owl: well, then you should enjoy it ;) 21:10 < owl> fake: pah ;P 21:11 < owl> i will definately do so 21:27 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-24-1-dialup-204.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 21:45 < esden> rofl that really works ! 21:48 < esden> viavoice is really cool 21:49 -!- demian is now known as Mike1 21:49 < Mike1> re 21:49 < owl> re Mike1 21:50 < Mike1> whats up hugwly? 21:51 < fake> esden: what are you doing? 21:51 < owl> Mike1: *grml* 21:52 < Mike1> hmpf.. 21:52 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:52 < esden> i am letting my computer read some websites ;-) 21:52 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 21:52 < Mike1> hehe 21:53 < esden> that is working pretty well 21:53 < fake> with viavoice from ibm? 21:53 < esden> yes 21:54 < fake> (i always that that was voice recognition software?) 21:55 < esden> yes it is ... but only for windows 21:55 < esden> for linux it is a TTS sdk with samples 21:56 < esden> works pretty well and out of the box ... when you extract all you need out of the rpm's ;-) 21:57 < esden> the two links that are needed: https://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Emacspeak-HOWTO/appendixb.html and https://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~laird/Linux/ViaVoice/ 21:57 < esden> I have not found the viavoice linux tarballs on the ibm site ... :-/ 21:58 < esden> but everywhere in the net is being said that it should be there and for free ... 22:00 < fake> hm 22:00 < fake> <- trying it, too ;) 22:01 < esden> *GG* 22:01 < esden> there is a perl module for viavoice interfacing 22:01 * Mike1 made a linux workstation for a blindguy using emacspeak over 2 years ago 22:02 < esden> and how does it work ? 22:02 < esden> have you used as synthesizer ? 22:03 < Mike1> esdy very nicely, it is rocked :) 22:03 < esden> cool ! 22:03 < Mike1> though all docs and references available point to an old slackware version 22:04 < fake> rock package, anyone? *g* 22:05 < esden> fake: always the one who asks ;-) 22:06 < Mike1> fake: i will need to look at my old notes on this but maybe i could make it for ya 22:07 < esden> gvoice: "A plugin for GKrellM that allows the user to have voice alerts." 22:22 -!- SatgX [~Satg@196.40.66.18] has joined #rocklinux 22:48 < fake> esden: how did you do it? 22:48 < owl> <-- sleeping 22:48 < owl> good night. cu 22:48 < fake> esden: i just rpm2cpio'd the rpm and extracted it... 22:48 < fake> owl: n8 22:48 < fake> esden: but it is quite not-working ;) 22:48 < fake> where to look? 22:49 < Mike1> ping SatgX 22:51 < fake> ah 22:51 < fake> i got it already 22:51 < fake> thanks, anyways 22:51 < esden> fake: you menaged to get it running ? 22:52 < fake> jep 22:52 < esden> ok ... 22:53 * -> esden trying to extract article texts out of slashdot ... so I can let viavoice read it automatically 22:53 < esden> but it is fscking difficult ... 22:53 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p508022D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:53 < esden> headlines are easy to get due to rdf ... but not the contents ... >_< 22:53 < fake> esden: there are tools for it 22:53 < esden> where 22:53 < fake> slashdot has a backend... 22:54 < fake> i had a tool for mbrola once 22:54 < esden> I could not find anything that would give me the article texts in raw 22:54 < esden> or xml 22:54 < esden> or something that is parsable 22:59 < fake> esden: did ypu listen to that file? 22:59 < fake> runcmdlinespeakfile ? 22:59 < esden> yes I have 22:59 < fake> *rofl* 22:59 < fake> but mbrola's quality is much much better... 23:00 < esden> yes pretty funny ... but that you still have to force the syntheser to use emphasis ... 23:00 < esden> but you can make pretty funny things with it ... 23:00 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49F24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all") 23:00 < fake> esden: should he guess where to emphasise? 23:01 < esden> fake: no use neuronal networks to know how to emphase 23:01 < esden> ;-) 23:01 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p508025DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:02 < esden> fake: can you give me the url of mbrola ? 23:02 < fake> oh, no, i did that a few years ago... it's boring... ;)) 23:03 < fake> esden: i can give you a cd and a linuxuser magazine 23:03 < fake> or simply search for it on fm/sf 23:03 < fake> i can't remember 23:03 < esden> uhum 23:03 < fake> but that magazine wasn't bad - made me reach what i initally needed a whole night for in 15 minutes 23:03 < fake> (but they say nothing about /dev/speech *g*) 23:04 < esden> *niah* *niah* 23:04 < esden> hmm ... but to have a hardware speach syntheser would be cool ;-) 23:05 < fake> nikolaus filus is making me nervous 23:05 < esden> why ? o_O 23:05 < fake> my new shiny p3 build is currently at qt-31 in stage 9... 23:05 < fake> and building since an hour 23:05 * Mike1 trying to imagine fake nervous .. 23:06 * fake tail -f'ing the los 23:06 < fake> s,los,logs, 23:06 < esden> there is not much to see Mike1 ... you only should not disturb him in such moments ... 23:07 < Mike1> esden: ah i see ... thanks for the warning 23:07 < Mike1> :) 23:07 < fake> i might need a cigarette now... 23:07 < Mike1> enjoy fake 23:07 < esden> fake: no you do not ! 23:11 < fake> and rene just shot me. 23:11 < fake> .oO(damn, i was so eager to try kde3.1) 23:13 < Mike1> poor fake 23:18 < snyke> pua fäik 23:18 < fake> make[4]: *** [qmake_image_collection.cpp] Segmentation fault (core dumped) 23:18 < fake> *grml* 23:18 < fake> Creating binary package file for qt-31. huh? 23:18 < fake> ah. it uses the files from stage 5? 23:21 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-24-1-dialup-204.freesurf.ch] has quit () 23:36 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802150.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:44 < esden> gn8 23:45 < fake> n8! 23:51 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p508022D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:52 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802150.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("leaving") --- Log closed Wed Jan 22 00:00:24 2003