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01:46 < lktom|Zzz> hey all
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01:46 < lkthomas> http://iso.rocklinux.de/?menu=25
01:46 < lkthomas> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/Rock-1.6.x/Rock-1.6.0-pre3/rock-src-1.6.0pre3.tar.bz2  Size: 1.9 MB <-- what is this for ?!
01:47 < lkthomas> a boot floppy disk ? but I got an iso already ?
01:48 < lkthomas> hello ?!
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03:21 < tsa> n8
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07:02 < blindcoder> moin
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08:38 < demian> hi
08:53 < blindcoder> hi demian
08:53 < demian> blindy
08:53 < demian> do u know why my gcc is not finding my includes at /usr/include when they are really there ?
08:54 < demian> neither using -I/usr/include
08:54 < demian> seems gcc cant find my system includes search path :(
08:54 < demian> and i dunt know why, could it be a gcc compilation problem ?
09:03 < blindcoder> hmm... what do you try to compile?
09:03 < demian> vim
09:04 < blindcoder> strange...
09:04 < demian> configure script says that doesnt exists ANSI standar includes
09:04 < demian> and obviously, compilation fails
09:04 < blindcoder> sory, never had that problem... maybe your glibc headers aren't installed (correctly) ?
09:05 < demian> i gues they are, but ill rebuild it .. one never know
09:05 < demian> thanx, gn8
09:06 < blindcoder> n8? it's 09:05 here :)
09:06 < demian>  [ scar ] ~ > date
09:06 < demian> Wed Jan 29 02:09:10 CST 2003
09:06 < demian>  [ scar ] ~ >
09:06 < blindcoder> oh... okay, good night then :)
09:07 < demian> /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Costa_Rica
09:07 < blindcoder> I guess I'll still be at work when you get up again :)
09:07 < demian> thanx
09:10 < kasc> wonder what the weather is like in Costa_Rica...
09:12 < blindcoder> moin kasc
09:13 < kasc> moin
09:13 * kasc is hiding from university
09:13 < kasc> dont wanna go there today...
09:14 < blindcoder> hehe, I didn't want to go to wark, either
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09:15 < kasc> we're writing a Klausur today, thats why ;)
09:16 < blindcoder> oh...
09:17 < blindcoder> I'm writing an automation script for something that 10 different people have done in 20 different ways and hvae to make the appropriate excepition for each one.
09:17 < blindcoder> I didn't want to do that either >_<
09:20 < kasc> dont you want to write a script that automatically solves Klausuren for me? ;)
09:22 < blindcoder> if you give me a database with all the answers in it then I'll do it :)
09:22 < kasc> hehe
09:22 * kasc <-- gone (Uni)
09:22 < blindcoder> good luck!
09:28 < owl> hi
09:35 < blindcoder> hi owl
09:37 < owl> hi blindy
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10:42 < blindcoder> http://lpp-themes.sourceforge.net/
10:42 < blindcoder> WEEEE
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13:31 < tcr> moin all
13:32 < blindcoder> moin tcr
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14:46 < rolla> re
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15:17 < owl> bye
15:18 < blindcoder> bye owl
15:25 < kasc> re
15:34 < rolla> re owl
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15:54 < Satg> Hello People !!!
15:55 < rolla> hallo
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16:04 < Mike1> Good day everyone :)
16:11 < rolla> re Mike1
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16:14 < ringo30> hi all
16:14 < ringo30> rolla: are you Dutch ?
16:14 < rolla> nope
16:14 < rolla> why do you ask?
16:15 < ringo30> hallo = Dutch or is it the same in German ?
16:15 < rolla> same in german
16:15 < rolla> but I am not german either :)
16:15 < ringo30> hmm what country do you come from then ?
16:16 < ringo30> Just a little curious by Nature ...
16:17 < rolla> no problem I am from the USA
16:17 < ringo30> Ahh my brother has been there hals a year, he loves it and wants to go back asap.
16:17 < rolla> where was he here
16:18 < ringo30> NY
16:18 < rolla> oh. yeah that is nice place but very differant from me
16:19 < ringo30> Yeahh its a lillte bigger then Holland, and much diverse in climate.
16:19 < rolla> true
16:19 < rolla> where in holland are you from?
16:20 < ringo30> Alemlo, 80-100 Km East from Amsterdam.
16:20 < rolla> okay
16:20 < ringo30> s/Alemlo/Almelo..
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17:00 < lktom|Zzz> hey all
17:00 -!- lktom|Zzz is now known as lkthomas
17:00 < lkthomas> I got a question
17:00 < lkthomas> I just installed rocklinux this morning
17:01 < lkthomas> and I saw there have a dir call /usr/src/rock-src
17:01 < lkthomas> inside , there have tons of package script there
17:01 < lkthomas> what command can I use to update those script ?
17:18 < blindcoder> rehi
17:19 < blindcoder> lkthomas: what script, or what exactly do you want to update?
17:36 < lkthomas> hey ?!
17:36 < lkthomas> anyone still alive ?
17:36 * blindcoder !!!
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17:38 < blindcoder> :P
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17:38 < lkthomas> hey all
17:38 < lkthomas> anyone still around
17:38 < Mike1> blindy alive?
17:39 * blindcoder alive!!
17:39 < blindcoder> I live!!! WAAAY!
17:39 < blindcoder> :)
17:39 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
17:39 < lkthomas> OK, I got /usr/src/rock-src
17:39 < lkthomas> how can I update those script ?
17:39 < Mike1> blindcoder: good :)
17:40 < Mike1> lkthomas: what exactly are you looking forward to update?
17:40 < Mike1> the rocklinux source?
17:40 < lkthomas> Mike1: you know, there have building script for program
17:40 < lkthomas> no
17:40 < lkthomas> I mean the program like Xfree, gnome...etc
17:40 < Mike1> what rock version are you running?
17:40 < lkthomas> like, freebsd need to use cvsup to update their poers trees
17:41 < lkthomas> Mike1: 1.5, I think
17:41 < lkthomas> I am not sure :)
17:41 < Mike1> cat /etc/ROCK-LINUX
17:41 < lkthomas> I am not in there now
17:41 < Mike1> mm.. ok
17:41 < lkthomas> well, tell me how to do please
17:42 < Mike1> look it is not that simple as the bsd ports to get rock linux updated
17:42 < lkthomas> NO
17:42 < Mike1> in 1.5 we dont have a real package manager
17:42 < blindcoder> Mike1: 1.5 in your metier. Can you tell him?
17:42 < lkthomas> I mean the package update
17:42 < lkthomas> huh ?
17:42 < lkthomas> no package manager ?!
17:43 < Mike1> lkthomas: i mean there is package tool but its mostly just Install and remove packages
17:43 < lkthomas> Mike1: I don't like binary
17:43 < Mike1> in rock 1.7 ion the other hand there is Gem Mine which is our own package manager
17:43 < lkthomas> hmm
17:43 < lkthomas> what kind of package manager is that ?
17:44 < Mike1> lkthomas: if you are looking for something like apt-get, i am affraid rock 1.5 will not satisfy you
17:44 < lkthomas> nope
17:44 < blindcoder> lkthomas: In 1.7 `mine` manages the packages and has a frontend called `stone`
17:44 < Mike1> blindcoder: could you help me out with an explanation on Gem Mine?
17:44 < lkthomas> I want freebsd ports style :)
17:44 < Mike1> lkthomas: /me too
17:44 < lkthomas> I don't want frontend, man...
17:45 < blindcoder> lkthomas: stone itself has frontends for 'text', 'dialog', 'xdialog' and if I ever finish it 'opengl' :)
17:45 < rolla> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-558570,00.html
17:45 < rolla> crazy germans
17:45 < Mike1> greetings rolla
17:45 < lkthomas> so there is no build scripts like gentoo and freebsd ?
17:45 < blindcoder> lkthomas: you can use mine also by itself
17:45 < blindcoder> lkthomas: sure
17:45 < blindcoder> lkthomas: ./scripts/BuildPkg <pkg-name>
17:45 < lkthomas> blindcoder: errr
17:45 < Mike1> lkthomas: you play around with the rock linux source and build ur own package versions
17:46 < lkthomas> LOL, EACH PACKAGE I NEED TO BUILD MY OWN ?!
17:46 < lkthomas> hey man, pain in ass..
17:46 < blindcoder> lkthomas: hmm... what _exactly_ do you have in mind?
17:46 < blindcoder> even gentoo builds _every_ package itself
17:46 < Mike1> blindcoder: i think what he wants is something like "apt-get update <package>"
17:47 < lkthomas> blindcoder: no, let me give you an example, gentoo using cvs / rync to update the build script trees
17:47 < blindcoder> POTATOE-CANNONS!! LOOL
17:47 < lkthomas> freebsd using cvsup to update their trees
17:48 < rolla> blindcoder: ja ;)
17:48 < blindcoder> lkthomas: yes, to update /usr/src/rock-src in 1.7 you can use ./scripts/Update-Src to update to the latest snapshot or use the cvs. with cvs you can also do cvsup
17:48 < lkthomas> blindcoder: it seems not doing the job anyway
17:48 < blindcoder> lkthomas: there's a thread on the Mmailinglist regarding this topic from today, or yesterday. moment, I'll search for it
17:49 < lkthomas> OK
17:49 < lkthomas> Thanks
17:49 < lkthomas> rocklinux = lack of docs
17:49 < lkthomas> jezz
17:49 < lkthomas> I am using my linux knowledge to install rocklinux
17:49 < lkthomas> because there is no offical docs can tell me what to do
17:49 < lkthomas> haha
17:49 < Mike1> lkthomas: There is THe ROCK Linux GUIDE
17:50 < lkthomas> Mike1: if it's complete, I don't need to ask in IRC :)
17:50 < Mike1> references can be found on rock linux website http://www.rocklinux.org/
17:51 < Mike1> lkthomas: it helps a lot, but also using IRC is an easier and faster resource to get help
17:51 * lkthomas didn't read any manual and complete his rocklinux installation
17:52 < lkthomas> haha, when I using command "Install" , it said something not found in /src
17:52 < lkthomas> so I think that's mean the cdrom
17:52 < blindcoder> lkthomas: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/rocklinux/archive/current/2985.html
17:52 < lkthomas> so I mount it in /src, then I mount me HD to /trg, Install, work fine
17:52 < blindcoder> lkthomas: sorry it's not on the rocklinux.org site but I don't like the ML-Archive there >_<
17:53 < lkthomas> blindcoder: hold on now, what does it mean by source trees ?
17:53 < lkthomas> rocklinux source trees or package trees ?
17:53 < blindcoder> lkthomas: both
17:53 < lkthomas> you know, it's really crap and anonying when I am using download -all
17:53 < blindcoder> lkthomas: if you only want to update the package/* the cd package && cvs -z9 up -Pd
17:53 < lkthomas> I saw it's download tons of package
17:54 < lkthomas> blindcoder: I try to goto gcc dir and do cvs update
17:54 < lkthomas> it try to fetch the update
17:54 < lkthomas> but not working
17:54 < blindcoder> lkthomas: yes, all packages in fact. or you can say: './scripts/Download -package <package>'
17:54 < blindcoder> hmm... is there a directory CVS?
17:55 < blindcoder> maybe the cvs server is down... I'll try
17:55 < lkthomas> yep, that's why I am using cvs command :)
17:55 * lkthomas using a very basic linux knowledge to do that
17:55 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:~# cd /usr/src/rock-src-1.7/package/base/gcc3
17:55 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:[gcc3]# cvs -z9 up -Pd
17:55 < blindcoder> cvs update: failed to open /root/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory
17:55 < blindcoder> cvs server: Updating .
17:55 < blindcoder> U no-install-zlib.patch
17:56 < blindcoder> P parse-config
17:56 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:[gcc3]#
17:56 < lkthomas> dude, 1.7 ?!
17:56 < blindcoder> lkthomas: it should be the same with 1.5
17:56 < lkthomas> I only got something like ext-archives
17:56 < lkthomas> ext-config
17:56 < lkthomas> base-config
17:56 < lkthomas> something like that
17:56 < blindcoder> lkthomas: yes, that's 1.5
17:57 < lkthomas> FUCK..
17:57 < blindcoder> lkthomas: in 1.5 it should be the same nonetheless
17:57 < lkthomas> no wonder that Bitchx can not be found
17:57 < lkthomas> damn
17:57 < blindcoder> go to the dir, do cs up and hten ./scripts/Puzzle
17:57 < lkthomas> Puzzle ? what for ?
17:58 * Mike1 watching blindy speak like a whole rock master ... :)
17:58 < blindcoder> lkthomas: the re-create the {base|ext}-archive/INDEX files
17:58 < blindcoder> Mike1: me? a ROCK master? Just a user for over a year :)
17:58 < rolla> blindcoder: is a ROCK master :)
17:58 < lkthomas> so I goto do cvs update, then do Puzzle ?
17:58 < rolla> ja
17:59 < Mike1> rolla: is a master too :)
17:59 < blindcoder> lkthomas: yes, then you can download and build the new/updated packages
17:59 * lkthomas want to try
17:59 < lkthomas> but bitchx not found, err
17:59 < blindcoder> hmm... I don't know if ROCK has a bitchx-package..
17:59 < blindcoder> Mike1? can you check?
17:59 < lkthomas> what the hell ?!
18:00 * lkthomas first time hear a distro don't have bitchx
18:00 < Mike1> blindcoder: lkthomas bitchx is not base packages on rock 1.5
18:00 < Mike1> lkthomas: you can use irssi
18:00 < blindcoder> lkthomas: if no ROCK developer uses it, then there's a good chance it isn't there
18:00 < lkthomas> blindcoder: haha
18:00 < rolla> Mike1: nein
18:00 < lkthomas> Mike1: never try that before
18:00 < Mike1> blindcoder: bitchx is an extension package
18:00 < lkthomas> does irssi same as bitchx ?
18:00 < rolla> lkthomas: that is cause irssi rocks
18:00 < Mike1> lkthomas: maybe it is a good chance to try it :)
18:01 < blindcoder> lkthomas: I'll give you a screenshot of irssi
18:01 < lkthomas> OK, do I need to rebuild so that I can get 1.7 package trees ?
18:01 < lkthomas> Thanks blindcoder
18:01 >>> [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] requested CTCP VERSION from #rocklinux: 
18:01 < lkthomas> rolla: windows
18:01 < Mike1> lkthomas: irssi is better, though you will have to forget about the color shut :)
18:01 < Mike1> yes rolla i am using xchat atm
18:01 < lkthomas> heh
18:01 < rolla> :)
18:01 < rolla> I love irssi
18:01 < rolla> thanks again th if you are listening :)
18:02 < lkthomas> OK, do I need to rebuild so that I can get 1.7 package trees ? <--
18:02 < blindcoder> lkthomas: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/irssi.jpg
18:02 < lkthomas> can I use 1.7 trees in 1.5 ?
18:02 < blindcoder> lkthomas: no. the structure changed completely
18:02 < Mike1> lkthomas: you can build 1.7 distribution on a 1.5 system
18:03 < lkthomas> Mike1: don't tell me it's Download -all
18:03 < Mike1> but packages are not compatible
18:03 < Mike1> lkthomas: nope its Doqwnload -required
18:03 < lkthomas> take me forever to download and compile
18:03 < lkthomas> hmmmm
18:03 < lkthomas> OK, got it
18:03 < lkthomas> be right back all, Thanks :)
18:03 < Mike1> lkthomas: also in rock 1.5 you dont need to run -all, oftenly we use -base
18:03 < blindcoder> lkthomas: you're welcome
18:03 < lkthomas> OK
18:03 < lkthomas> just hang on to this channel, I might be back in a mins :)
18:03 < lkthomas> brb
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18:03 < Mike1> as many of the extension packages are broken or unmaintained
18:03 < Mike1> arrg
18:04 < cchamilt> Hello all
18:04 < Mike1> greetings cchamilt
18:05 < cchamilt> Anyone have a catchy name for an email solution.
18:06 < blindcoder> Infobox?
18:06 < blindcoder> just like Inbox?
18:06 < cchamilt> Probably asking the wrong group.  We are afterall using ROCK :).
18:06 < cchamilt> Hmm.
18:07 < cchamilt> I liked 'el mailo', but that is because I am an idiot.
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18:07 < blindcoder> cchamilt: you said that :)
18:07 < cchamilt> So I have to ask others.
18:07 < cchamilt> :)
18:07 < blindcoder> good luck!
18:08 < cchamilt> Need something slick that oozes open source, but tells you it is $50K.
18:08 < cchamilt> Opencost?
18:08 < blindcoder> *LOOL*
18:09 < blindcoder> At least I would look at it because of funy name :)
18:09 < cchamilt> Yeah, but that is definitely an erp or at least an accounting package name.
18:10 < cchamilt> Super Open Mail 50K
18:10 < cchamilt> Patches would have a set price then...
18:11 < esden> honianachiwa
18:11 < Mike1> Gott segne dich esden :)
18:11 < esden> hi Mike1 ;-) god bless you too ;-)
18:12 < cchamilt> Hmm, partner just said 'openXchange Messaging Server'  might be a bit too big.
18:12 < Mike1> thanks my friend
18:12 < cchamilt> hi esden
18:12 < esden> hi chris
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18:12 < Mike1> cchamilt: oXMS?
18:13 < cchamilt> My new keeper, er partners company is Techworx so he likes x's
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18:13 < cchamilt> oXXXMS
18:13 < blindcoder> hi esden ! long time no see :)
18:13 < cchamilt> Why is there never a 4th X?
18:14 < cchamilt> Except in beer.
18:14 < blindcoder> esden: honianachiwa????????? haeh???
18:14 < Mike1> cchamilt: well there is 5 X :)
18:14 < blindcoder> esden: I think that was ONE boor too much *takes away esdens beer*
18:14 < esden> blindcoder: keyword: kero 
18:14 < blindcoder> esden: still don't get it...
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18:15 < lkthomas> hmm
18:15 < lkthomas> anyone still around ?
18:15 < Mike1> welcome back lkthomas
18:15 < rolla> yeah
18:15 < esden> he is saying that always after the closing sequence ... when the "leave it to kero" section starts (in CCS)
18:15 < cchamilt> yep
18:15 < Mike1> yes blindcoderis _still_ alive
18:15 < lkthomas> I try to use /usr/src/scripts/Update, is it the right one ?!
18:15 < esden> yo lkthomas 
18:15 < lkthomas> sorry
18:15 < lkthomas> I mean rock-src :)
18:16 < lkthomas> ??
18:16 < esden> lkthomas: what do you expect to do with this ... ?
18:16 < cchamilt> lkthomas: yeah, I think.
18:16 < lkthomas> ...
18:16 < lkthomas> esden: heh, check history pls :)
18:16 < esden> yo
18:17 < lkthomas> it said "New version found, try to get it"
18:17 < blindcoder> esden: okay, never watched it :)
18:17 < lkthomas> blindcoder: hmm
18:17 < lkthomas> blindcoder: Update ?
18:17 * Mike1 usually just grab the latest source:
18:17 < lkthomas> .......
18:17 < Mike1> CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co -P rock-1.5
18:17 < blindcoder> telephone
18:18 < lkthomas> hold on now, do I have to use cvs to grab 1.7 ?
18:18 < esden> blindcoder: that is really cool ... KERO RULEZ
18:18 < lkthomas> I don't think I have cvs installed in my box anyway
18:18 < Mike1> rsync?
18:19 < lkthomas> maybe
18:19 < lkthomas> I don't know, it's a freah install
18:19 < Mike1> it must have cvs as well
18:19 < lkthomas> anyone can provide a pre-compiled 1.7 iso ?
18:19 < Mike1> esden: ?
18:20 < lkthomas> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 <-- what should I do after this ?
18:20 < lkthomas> Download -base ?
18:21 < cchamilt> man .sg must be getting pounded by MSSQL.
18:22 < lkthomas> ...
18:22 < lkthomas> no one answer me :(
18:22 < cchamilt> run scripts/Puzzle
18:22 < cchamilt> then Config
18:22 < lkthomas> let me write it down, ..
18:23 < cchamilt> then Download -reguired
18:23 < rolla> lkthomas: iso.rocklinux.de
18:23 < cchamilt> g/q
18:23 < cchamilt> yeah, I would suggest a pretty new iso if possible.
18:24 < lkthomas> I am using 1.6 iso then..
18:24 < lkthomas> where is 1.7 ? sound seems can not be download
18:25 < lkthomas> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/Rock-1.7.x <--- empty :(
18:26 < rolla> oh that is right :(
18:26 < rolla> lkthomas: /me is using 1.5.17
18:26 < lkthomas> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/unstable/1.7-19c3
18:26 < lkthomas> what's diff between drock and rocklinux ?
18:28 < cchamilt> It builds well right now. Only 10 broken packages.
18:28 < cchamilt> Mozilla is about the only one most would want fixed.
18:28 < cchamilt> turn off paranoia checks in Config and tell it not to stop on broken packages.
18:28 * lkthomas go back to ROCKs
18:28 < lkthomas> brb
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18:41 < lkthomas> hmm
18:41 < lkthomas> heh
18:42 < lkthomas> 1.7 source trees grabbed
18:42 < lkthomas> BUT
18:42 < lkthomas> how can I add my own optimize tag before execute download -required ?
18:42 < blindcoder> -cfg
18:43 < lkthomas> Config ? which part ?
18:43 < lkthomas> I can not see it
18:43 < blindcoder> if you did './scripts/Download -cfg myconf' then './scripts/Download -cfg myconf -required'
18:43 < blindcoder> *argh*
18:43 < blindcoder> I meant './scripts/Config -cfg myconf'
18:43 < lkthomas> "myconf" = CFLAGS="" ?
18:43 < blindcoder> you can also omit '-cfg myconf' in which case it defaults to 'default'
18:43 < blindcoder> nonono
18:44 < blindcoder> just do ./scripts/Config and you will understand :)
18:44 < lkthomas> no, I mean incase if I want to include my own optimize tag
18:44 < lkthomas> I did
18:44 < lkthomas> nice menu
18:44 < blindcoder> lkthomas: the optimize tags are created by what you chose in ./scripts/Config
18:45 < lkthomas> blindcoder, so I just hack into the omitted conf file ?
18:45 < blindcoder> mom, tele
18:46 * lkthomas goto cut blindcoder's telephone line
18:46 < blindcoder> re
18:46 < blindcoder> sorry, wasn't intentional >_,
18:47 < lkthomas> ?
18:47 < blindcoder> lkthomas: usually you only have to do './scripts/Config' and choose what you want and then './scripts/Download -reqiured'
18:47 < lkthomas> but I want to use my own optimize tag
18:47 < lkthomas> like -fforce-addr
18:48 < blindcoder> lkthomas: consider Documantation/BUILD a good lecture, clifford and I just updated a good part of it
18:48 < lkthomas> hmm
18:48 < blindcoder> lkthomas: hmm... I don't know if this is possible... write a feature request to rock-linux@rocklinux.org
18:48 < blindcoder> s/know/think/
18:48 < lkthomas> my god..
18:49 < lkthomas> does it read Env value ?
18:49 < blindcoder> what does -fforce-addr do?
18:49 < lkthomas> I forget
18:49 < blindcoder> no.
18:49 < lkthomas> also, -fexpensive-optimize
18:49 < lkthomas> -z combreloc
18:49 < lkthomas> -z combreloc <-- this one make lib run faster
18:49 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Pkg creates its own environment
18:50 < lkthomas> so I need to hack into that ?!
18:50 < blindcoder> I would start searching there at least.
18:50 < lkthomas> ble
18:50 < lkthomas> be right back, Thanks
18:50 < blindcoder> but you can also edit the .conf files for packages and add makeopt="$makeopt CFLAGS='...'"
18:51 < blindcoder> $makeopt is appended to `eval make`
18:51 < blindcoder> when building packages
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18:56 < lkthomas> hmm
18:56 < lkthomas> never saw something call CFLAGS
18:56 < lkthomas> err
18:56 * lkthomas giveup on rocklinux
18:59 * Mike1 having lunch
19:00 * lkthomas eating his rocklinux CDs
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19:06 < cchamilt> dang mail server names suck.
19:06 < cchamilt> even weaselmail is taken.
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19:14 < cchamilt> abnormail
19:14 < blindcoder> taken?
19:14 < cchamilt> abnormail+, nope
19:15 < blindcoder> wow :)
19:15 < cchamilt> not commercial enuff I am afraid.
19:15 < cchamilt> I'll ask.
19:16 < cchamilt> what words end with mal
19:16 < cchamilt> mailviolent
19:17 < cchamilt> mailicious
19:26 < cchamilt> hmm.
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19:47 < owl> re
19:48 < blindcoder> re owl
19:49 < blindcoder> cchamilt: femail :)
19:49 < blindcoder> cchamilt: owl inspired me to this... don't ask me why :)
19:50 < cchamilt> yeah i thought of that
19:50 < cchamilt> COMM Open Mail Messenger
19:50 < cchamilt> Way too OSS uptight though.
19:50 < cchamilt> hi owl
19:51 < owl> blindcoder: omg? what are you talking about?
19:51 < owl> hi cchamilt
19:51 < cchamilt> I am going to market an OSS mailserver like Volution or Bynari
19:51 < cchamilt> need a name
19:51 < esden> ahh ... finally I got MI working on my laptop !!!
19:51 < blindcoder> owl: searching a name for a $50k "open" Mail Solution
19:52 < esden> but it is strange that it is working compiled with gcc3 on my main machine ... but on my laptop it works only when I use gcc2
19:52 < owl> hi esden. you're alive again?! - cool!
19:52 < esden> that is probably a strange java idiocy
19:52 < esden> hi owl ... yes I am alive
19:52 < cchamilt> Business tip: Important people don't want their time wasted by things that cost less than 20K so make it 50K.
19:53 < cchamilt> We have people lining up and it isn't even ready.
19:53 < esden> but probably I will be dead till sutarday ... namely offline
19:53 * blindcoder might be dead starting next Tuesday >_<
19:53 < cchamilt> Plan to hire as many Rock people as I can if it keeps up.
19:54 < esden> cchamilt: raising his hand ... ... do we get something for free ???
19:54 < cchamilt> a job?
19:54 < owl> esden: "(pre-)pruefungsstress"
19:54 < owl> ?
19:54 < esden> cool !!!
19:54 * -> esden likes jobs
19:55 < esden> where ... how well paied ...
19:55 < cchamilt> we will contract as work progresses (if work progresses)
19:55 < esden> what is the jobs topic ?
19:55 < cchamilt> Appliance servers for you I think.
19:55 < cchamilt> How much do you want?
19:55 < cchamilt> per hour
19:56 < esden> currently nothing (is too short on time because of studys ... but in 2 years) and will handle the price out then ...
19:56 < cchamilt> It is a little unplanned yet, but I think I have an org scheme.
19:56 < cchamilt> Might be too late.
19:57 < esden> yea ... I imagined that ...
19:57 < esden> argh 
19:57 < esden> I hate my english
19:57 < cchamilt> Studying is for losers.
19:57 < esden> i mean I expected that
19:57 < cchamilt> Money
19:57 < cchamilt> Money NOW
19:57 < blindcoder> esden: "I thought so"
19:57 < esden> blindcoder: kk
19:58 < blindcoder> cchamilt: might be a problem, since the german "Bundeswehr" (Army??) seems to want me for 9 months
19:58 < cchamilt> You guys can work a little?
19:58 < cchamilt> Not asking fulltime.
19:58 < cchamilt> Not yet.
19:59 < cchamilt> Heck, there is only the idea that we will need more people soon.
19:59 < cchamilt> No confirmation.
19:59 < esden> cchamilt: first of all I will be killed by my family when I break up my studys ... and second ... without the fscking peace of paper ... i have not so good chances for a good payed job then with it ...
19:59 < cchamilt> Need an Oracle guy right now I think though.
19:59 < blindcoder> Oracle? i'm out.
19:59 < esden> cchamilt: oracle -> fake
20:00 < cchamilt> Yeah we don't know anything about oracle and our oracle guy is already busy.
20:00 < cchamilt> How much does he know?
20:00 < esden> talk with him ... he knows it the best ...
20:00 * blindcoder only knows how to break an Oracle Server... and that's probably not what you want ;)
20:01 < cchamilt> blindcoder: yep.
20:03 < cchamilt> I hope we can get contracts locally, send them out internationally and build a mnc oss consulting service asap.
20:04 < cchamilt> That way we have programmers in all countries and hopefully some programmers who also can sell in their local country.
20:04 < cchamilt> It is like Amway, only for OSS developers.
20:05 < cchamilt> Group that makes the sale would get a big cut and the programmers would get great pay.
20:06 < cchamilt> esden: how much do you hope to make salary?
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20:08 < Blacky_> esden: hi hi hi hi h
20:08 < Blacky_> i
20:08 < Blacky_> \n
20:10 < cchamilt> esden: ?
20:11 < blindcoder> *argh* he's gone again...
20:11 * blindcoder thinks about calling him, that mwould be MUCH faster...
20:11 < Blacky_> his nick is weasel and that's palm reader I use
20:12 < esden> sorry
20:13 < Blacky_> hi esden!!!
20:13 < esden> my mother is wanting something all the time ...
20:13 < esden> hi Blacky_ 
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20:13 < Blacky_> blindcoder said I should say hello to you
20:13 < armijn> re
20:13 < esden> cchamilt: i really do not know ... but hope to start with 2000$ a month or so ... would be nice 
20:14 < esden> but probably it will stay a dream ... :-/
20:14 < cchamilt> how many hours could you work now?
20:14 < armijn> esden dreams too much...
20:14 < cchamilt> 10 a week?
20:14 < esden> hi armijn ... nice to see you back here
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20:15 < armijn> hi esden :)
20:15 < cchamilt> man 2000 and europe is taxed to the max.
20:15 < cchamilt> Is that after tax?
20:15 < armijn> cchamilt: no it's not...we still got money left ;-)
20:15 < cchamilt> hi armijn
20:16 < armijn> cchamilt: and don't forget, the European Union is cheap compared to the UK and the US...
20:16 < esden> cchamilt: yes ... 10 hours is possible
20:16 < esden> but during the time of exams it is not possible ...
20:16 < esden> only as average
20:17 < cchamilt> That is $12.5 per hour for 160 hours a month?
20:17 < armijn> anyone been to Linux Kongress (of course)? Is it any good?
20:18 < esden> cchamilt: that are 40 hours a month ...
20:18 < esden> 10 hours a week ... 
20:18 < esden> in roundabout
20:19 < cchamilt> Yeah, but what you want is a job that pays you $12.5 when you graduate?
20:19 < esden> i donno
20:19 * -> esden has no idea
20:19 < esden> *shrug*
20:19 < cchamilt> Hmm.
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20:20 < cchamilt> I will pay you much more than that if I can find jobs for you.
20:20 < tcr> re all
20:20 < cchamilt> hi tcr
20:20 < blindcoder> hmm... that's less than I get now...
20:20 < armijn> esden: EUR 12.5? per hour?
20:21 < cchamilt> Right now we are talking with the country office of a local well known Unix provider that recently went a little Linux.
20:21 < armijn> esden: that's pretty low...
20:21 < armijn> esden: your education, that's not university, right?
20:21 < cchamilt> Hey, you guys are ruining my hiring :).
20:21 < esden> it is university!
20:22 < cchamilt> He should make 4K at least.
20:22 * -> esden is master of computer science after his graduation
20:23 < cchamilt> Oh CS, not CE? Well 2K.
20:23 < cchamilt> Just kidding.
20:23 < armijn> esden: ok...I thought it was something like Hochschule (or is that uni?)
20:23 < armijn> cchamilt: I don't even want to hire him :)
20:23 < esden> that is uni
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20:24 < esden> it is comparable with diploma ... but more practical
20:24 < armijn> esden: ok, I didn't know that...we also got something, that translates frm dutch to .de as "hochschule", but it is *definitely* not university
20:24 < armijn> ha! they'd wish...
20:24 < cchamilt> armijn: I hope to pay people to work on Rock and other stuff if I can get other people to be billed....
20:24 < esden> Technische Universietaet Muenchen ... that is university for sure ;-)
20:25 < cchamilt> It appears that euro education is all over the place.  The us is like that.
20:25 < armijn> esden: ah, ok...I didn't know you were there..thought some weird thing in Ingolstadt
20:25 < cchamilt> We have community colleges and some uni's that are as bad as them.
20:26 < esden> armijn: praenti is on Fachhochschule Ingolstadt ... not me ;-)
20:26 < cchamilt> some polytechnic stuff is as good as highend uni's.
20:26 < cchamilt> It is all about an individual school's recognition.
20:26 < esden> cchamilt: believe me ... TUM ... is not bad ... it is pretty hard ... *sigh* ... /me shivvers thinking of his exams
20:26 < armijn> esden: ok :)
20:27 < armijn> cchamilt: yeah, stuff in the US can be pretty bad...
20:27 < cchamilt> Especially the distance learning crap.
20:27 < armijn> here it is much close to each other, at least in .nl...doesn't really matter where you go...
20:27 < cchamilt> Don't every take it.
20:27 < esden> cchamilt: is it _so_ bad ?
20:27 < armijn> cchamilt: I've got ADSL
20:27 < armijn> and I SSH into my lab to do things and learn things..
20:28 < armijn> it's not that bad :)
20:28 < cchamilt> The schools that do that are money driven, no name whatsoever.
20:28 < esden> when I watch the people that are studying with me ... I always get more and more shocked what idiots are graduating ...
20:28 < cchamilt> :)
20:28 < cchamilt> That happens, I was an idiot at my school.
20:28 < cchamilt> Still am.
20:29 < cchamilt> Got two degrees there.
20:29 < cchamilt> Jocelyn got 3.
20:29 * blindcoder doesn't even have a diploma or such thing... and can also write code that nobody else will be able to understand :)
20:29 < esden> cchamilt: o_O ... your selfconfidence is not good ... we have to work on it ;-)
20:29 < tcr> ah, hi cchamilt.. just read your emails about that bdb issue.. just want add something completely off-topic: you seem to be one of those guys writing always the answer text above to the reply ;). Well, it's quite laborious to look/scroll down to see the actual text you refering too, so could you please get used to write your answer below to the reply? I'd be really gracefull...
20:29 < esden> blindcoder: LOL
20:30 < cchamilt> school helps you learn, it doesn't teach you facts (though some schools don't know that)
20:30 < cchamilt> if you don't know how to learn, you'll never be able to be a good engineer/programmer.
20:30 < esden> schools are giving you a base for learning
20:30 < tcr> that's what schools should teach, but i'm afraid they dont do
20:30 < cchamilt> some people naturally do it
20:31 < blindcoder> esden: took a leaf out of clifford's book and used things like var=${var%$var2} in some bash-scripts... everyone complained :)
20:31 < tcr> and you should be taught that during highschool and not when you're going to a university where you're left completely alone
20:31 < esden> when I hear my lectures about efficient algorithms on my university ... I do not learn what algorithms are better or worse ... that is only a sideeffect ... I learn how to feel what algorithms are better or worse .. and how to check what to use in my projects
20:32 < esden> that is very usefull ... and only a grounding for my further learning
20:32 < cchamilt> tcr: when I compact the email (remove its body) and don't talk about a specific point...  Where am I wrong?
20:32 < cchamilt> tcr: That I thought was how people should respond in maillists?
20:33 < armijn> ok, am off
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20:33 < esden> blindcoder: o_O where everyone complained ???
20:33 < esden> they can not read such stuff ?
20:34 < esden> you mean your chef ?
20:34 < tcr> cchamilt: yes, when you start a completely new point of an issue and you dont refer to anything, that may be right..
20:34 < blindcoder> esden: well... everyone except our perl guru complained.
20:34 < tcr> cchamilt: but please keep care of me and other receiving quite a lot mails, and I can't know everything from a special tread. Proper quoting saves me a lot time...
20:34 * Mike1 is back from lunch
20:34 < blindcoder> esden: you read that line clifford wrote in create-deps-2 ?
20:34 < Mike1> re
20:35 < tcr> hi Mike1
20:35 < Mike1> greetings tcr
20:35 < esden> blindcoder: yes ...
20:35 < cchamilt> tcr: I know what you mean, I just don't like answering inline more than once.  It gets rediculous, and most things should then be removed.
20:35 < blindcoder> esden: that line is simple compared to things stt writes
20:35 < esden> but I had not the time to decrypt it ;-)
20:36 < cchamilt> tcr: I'll try and keep the specific paragraph I refer to.
20:36 < esden> stt ???
20:36 < blindcoder> esden: like a script that goes recursively through a directory and sorts filesizes by extension into an array and then printing it in about 8-10 lines
20:36 < blindcoder> esden: his UNIX-Account :)
20:37 < tcr> cchamilt: That's all i want :) And yes people pathologically trying to comment some statement by some /compeltely/ unecessary sentence are quite disturbing as well
20:39 < tcr> blindcoder: what language?
20:39 < blindcoder> perl
20:39 < tcr> bah!!!
20:40 < cchamilt> you are taught in perl?
20:40 < blindcoder> cchamilt: no, i taught myself perl :)
20:40 < cchamilt> Oh, good I wouldn't recommend it as a teaching tool.
20:41 < blindcoder> cchamilt: we "learned" (erm...) java
20:41 < tcr> blindcoder: i think doing that in C (+ a good library offering hastables, glib for instance) would be much more comprehensible than in perl
20:41 < owl> blindcoder: java?! you?! - oh god!
20:41 < cchamilt> Hey java is a good group productivity language and is very strict in style.
20:41 < blindcoder> tcr: hmm... I once tried to use glib but failed due to not finding some good code snippets
20:42 < esden> blindcoder: he is good
20:42 < tcr> blindcoder: I've just seen the use of hashtables and list of glib in use
20:42 < blindcoder> cchamilt: we lshould learn it at schol... in a class where 80% were actually unable to copy from a piece of paper into a syntaxshighlighting IDE
20:42 < esden> in 10 lines
20:42 < esden> hmm
20:42 < cchamilt> :) that weeds them out then too.
20:42 < blindcoder> tcr: I don't say it's bad... but I haven't found good examples on how to use it
20:43 < tcr> blindcoder: yeah the api reference is quite spare of instructions ;)
20:43 * -> esden is not willing to tell what we were learning in proseminar ...
20:43 < blindcoder> cchamilt: that was around the time when I started teaching myself PHP and already had some steady Pascal-Knowledge
20:43 < cchamilt> blindcoder: The point is that there are too many people learning programming half-ass.
20:44 * -> esden had to cut all interesting things ... and why ? because the others will not understand that ... >_<
20:44 < blindcoder> cchamilt: agreed
20:44 * -> esden jumping around and crying fsck
20:44 < tcr> esden: you learn fsck in a proseminar ???
20:44 < cchamilt> blindcoder: I do most gui stuff in PHP now.  It is faster than Java and everything needs web interfaces.
20:45 < blindcoder> cchamilt: I prefer PHP and perl-cgi because web-interfaces are simply platform-independent :)
20:45 < ringo30> I first learned c64 basic, then a little asm, a while ago, it was and still is fun.
20:45 < cchamilt> blindcoder: Yep, enterprises need that and so do schools.
20:45 < blindcoder> ringo30: never got myself together to have a look at asm
20:46 < cchamilt> blindcoder: PHP also enforces OSS, where java is just a little to cozy with non-OSS.
20:46 * tcr going for evening meal. brb
20:46 < blindcoder> cchamilt: but an OpenGL game really shouldn't be implemented in PHP :)
20:46 < blindcoder> tcr: an guadn
20:46 < cchamilt> asm is not bad.  We did alot of microprocessor stuff in my school.
20:46 < tcr> blindcoder: donk da
20:47 < cchamilt> Nor Java.
20:47 < ringo30> Just a whole lot more code, must learn everything about hardware, its fun but time consuminmg and not portable.
20:47 < blindcoder> cchamilt: isn't there a PHP-precompile-thing somewhere?
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20:47 < cchamilt> blindcoder: Hmm, maybe. There is now cli stuff and a gtk interface that sort of works.
20:48 < cchamilt> blindcoder: Wrong way to go I think.
20:48 < blindcoder> cchamilt: yeah, and OpenGL bindings... definately not what PHP should be IMHO, but who are we to decide that?
20:48 < cchamilt> Yeah.
20:48 < ringo30> got to get my pc open theres a starnge noise coming from the fan :-(
20:49 < cchamilt> Just try not to use it.
20:49 < blindcoder> cchamilt: We have to decide where ROCK can go, that's a lot of work, too :)
20:49 < blindcoder> cchamilt: no, thanks. I'm maintaining a C++ library for OpenGL and I definately won't adopt it to PHP
20:50 < cchamilt> blindcoder: Yep, ROCK is definitely not ready for everywhere yet.
20:50 < cchamilt> ROCK isn't ready for big networks until we put pam and kerberos on it.
20:50 < blindcoder> cchamilt: like the problem lkthomas had: "Where is BitchX *bitch* *bitch*"
20:51 < blindcoder> cchamilt: never had a look at either
20:51 < cchamilt> They are plug in stuff that might just 'work' as is.  They need well tested though.
20:51 < cchamilt> I want to try PAM this month if I can.
20:51 < esden> tcr: no ... /me is only very angry about the stupidity of his costudents ...
20:52 < cchamilt> esden: That just means you should get better grades.
20:53 < blindcoder> esden: what shall I say? a co-worker today tried 4 hours(!) to create a RewriteRule to activate SSL on a VirtualHost in Apache 1.3
20:53 < blindcoder> esden: then he came to me and I did it in.. what? 5 minutes?
20:53 < blindcoder> esden: now tell me again about stupidity.
20:54 < blindcoder> esden: RewriteRule ^/url/to/vhost(/.*|$)   https://server//url/to/vhost [R]
20:54 < cchamilt> esden: You are with people right now that you can at least understand where they might be confused or messed up.
20:55 < cchamilt> esden: The real world has some REAL stupidity.
20:55 < esden> cchamilt: yes I should ... 
20:56 < esden> blindcoder: that is normal ?
20:56 * blindcoder doesn't want to know how often this _really_ happens --> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/03jan/uf005188.gif
20:57 < esden> ROFL
20:57 < cchamilt> I know of several schools that I would never hire janitors from because of their wonderful representative students I have met.
20:57 < esden> cchamilt: so you do not want to hire me ... ;-)
20:58 < cchamilt> No I have faith that you'll get better :).
20:58 * -> esden will probably have an accound on a real vax machine !!! *jumparound*
20:58 < blindcoder> oh well, 21:00 here, been up for 16 hours now...
20:58 * blindcoder going to bed now... good night!
20:58 < esden> n8 blindcoder 
20:58 < owl> gn8 blindcoder
20:58 < cchamilt> n8
20:58 < esden> sleep well
20:59 < blindcoder> thanks, I will :)
20:59 * -> esden will port rock on vax ;-)
20:59 < cchamilt> esden: Now thinking like that...
21:00 * -> esden was hacking the last weeks on a vax simulator that we use on our university for programming assembler
21:00 < esden> really funny thing
21:01 < esden> but I would be very happy if it would not be so messy
21:01 < cchamilt> esden: ?
21:01 < esden> it is such a nice architecture ... but they implemented the emulator terribly
21:01 < esden> cchamilt: ?
21:02 < cchamilt> Do you like vms?
21:02 < esden> no I do not like vms ...
21:02 < esden> but I want to play with it ...
21:03 < esden> I only do not like it of what I heared about it
21:03 < cchamilt> I have never tried it.  What is the vax?
21:03 < rolla> esden:
21:03 < esden> rolla: ?
21:03 < esden> hi rolla ;-)
21:03 < esden> cchamilt: it is the architecture that vms was running on
21:04 < esden> cchamilt: made by digital
21:04 < cchamilt> No I mean what vax.
21:04 < esden> ahh
21:05 < rolla> esden: do you need licenses for VMS?
21:05 < cchamilt> I played with one when I was a kid.  It had a 20MB disk that fit in about 9U of rack space.
21:05 < esden> it is one that is running in the basement of the "registred association of museal computing machines" in munich
21:05 < rolla> oh
21:06 < esden> I have seen the machine ... it is running ... but I had not yet the possibility to talk to the operator/owner of the machine
21:06 < cchamilt> They are beasts.
21:06 < cchamilt> Seam to run forever.
21:06 < esden> but the guys with which I was there told me that I only should ask the guy and he will give me an accound
21:06 < esden> t
21:06 < rolla> yeah in clusters :)
21:07 < esden> cchamilt: this architecture is still living in alpha processors ;-)
21:07 < cchamilt> Yeah...
21:07 < cchamilt> Living dead.
21:07 < esden> the assembler the vax was using has only slightly changed ... that is amazing
21:08 < cchamilt> I hope samsung keeps making them.
21:08 < esden> alpha processors still have the vax compatibility mode ;-)
21:08 < cchamilt> I have heard good things about it in school back when it was new and great.
21:09 < cchamilt> I studied the Power ISA though.
21:09 < cchamilt> It has a big history too.
21:11 < cchamilt> Cheap processors will always rule though.
21:11 < esden> yes ... but I only heard that something like this existed
21:11 < cchamilt> Yeah, I have a custom Anderson and Jacobson transistor computer in parts around my house in the US.
21:12 < esden> cchamilt: sure they will ... but that does not mean that I have to use them too ... and that I will dream of cheap processors (even if the newest intel/amd processors are not cheap for me)
21:12 < cchamilt> It has those big white removable 10MB platters.
21:12 < esden> weeee cool
21:12 < cchamilt> AMD is the only reason intel succeeded.
21:12 < esden> o_O you mean ?
21:13 < cchamilt> It literally got sawed in half though.  Damn it must have been worth a mint in good condition.
21:14 < cchamilt> It had a bad transistor in its typing console and so the boot up state always halted there.
21:14 < esden> ohh ... *cry* that hurts
21:14 < cchamilt> It dimmed the lights when it was on.
21:14 < esden> yea ... that is how it should be ;-)
21:14 < esden> that are the real machines ;-)
21:15 < cchamilt> Heck University of Michigan has the ... umm ... can't remember...
21:15 < tcr> burp. re all
21:15 < esden> re tcr 
21:15 < cchamilt> First general purpose computer, starts with an E.
21:16 < cchamilt> It is spread in pieces across our campus and several other universities.
21:16 < cchamilt> There was once a postgrad project to try and rewire it.
21:17 < cchamilt> I saw some of the diagrams... Man I don't know what they were smoking when they designed that thing.
21:17 < esden> hehe
21:18 * Mike1 bored
21:18 < esden> Mike1: why this ?
21:18 < Mike1> esden: paper work is always boring
21:18 < esden> that is right
21:19 < esden> argh ... where is the site of the club ???
21:19 < cchamilt> Eniac
21:19 < Mike1> cchamilt: what about Eniac?
21:19 < esden> Mike1: cchamilt was talking about that ;-)
21:19 < cchamilt> First general purpose computer
21:19 < Mike1> yeah :)
21:19 < cchamilt> rambling...
21:20 < Mike1> big machine i can tell
21:20 < owl> hi Mike1
21:20 < Mike1> hello owly
21:20 < esden> re owl ;-)
21:20 * -> esden gets hungry once more ...
21:20 < cchamilt> owl: Why don't you develop for ROCK?
21:20 * -> esden had already two lunches today ...
21:21 < Mike1> esden: time for a 3rd one
21:21 < esden> Mike1: yes ... seems so
21:21 < cchamilt> Chinese new year crap food here.
21:21 < esden> cchamilt: I love chinese stuff !!
21:21 < esden> cchamilt: email me some of it ;-)
21:21 < cchamilt> Tons of pork products and crappy cookies.
21:22 < cchamilt> esden: Take out only...
21:22 < cchamilt> Trust me S'pore chinese is a little different from westernized stuff.
21:23 < cchamilt> It is more Malay and Indo.
21:23 < owl> cchamilt:dunno. no time. or so. whatever. don't mind
21:24 < esden> cchamilt: hmm ... I have to taste it before I decide that it is bad
21:24 < cchamilt> owl: Well just wondering.
21:24 < owl> cchamilt: why?
21:25 < cchamilt> esden: Yeah, curries are good.  I like the pork and some stuff.  Just they make cookies 'biscuits' more tropical.
21:26 < esden> more tropical ???
21:26 < cchamilt> owl: I was thinking that you must know stuff to hang around. I was wondering if you wanted to...
21:27 * -> esden dreams of joce cookies
21:27 < cchamilt> esden: Weird flour substitutes and very coconutty.
21:27 < cchamilt> esden: Yeah those are US cookies.
21:27 < cchamilt> Don't touch my wifes cookies :).
21:27 < esden> coconutty sounds very good ...
21:28 < owl> cchamilt: i'm still learning how to develop with linux...
21:28 < cchamilt> You get used to it.  I still find the first bite strange.
21:28 < esden> cchamilt: ROFL ... no ... I keep my hands behind my back
21:29 < cchamilt> We will eat tons next week going around seeing relatives.
21:29 < esden> I want too !
21:30 < tcr> cchamilt: what about saying your wife that ain't good for her shape. So there'll be more for you ;)
21:30 < cchamilt> owl:  Well I wish I could say 1.7 is easy.  Any packages you wish Rock had?
21:30 < cchamilt> tcr: Our shapes are both not the best.
21:31 < cchamilt> tcr: You end up eating instead of pretending to socialize.
21:31 < tcr> pretending to socialize?
21:31 < cchamilt> You know when you have relatives that you have to visit once a year.
21:31 < tcr> define
21:31 < owl> cchamilt: still had no deep look to 1.7
21:32 < kasc> re
21:32 < esden> re kasc 
21:32 < cchamilt> You say you don't visit because they are so far away and you have no time.
21:32 < cchamilt> People acted the same way and the island is 15km wide.
21:32 < cchamilt> So you tend not to care to socialize.
21:33 < owl> cchamilt: where is this island?
21:33 < cchamilt> owl: Yeah, I need to learn more about it too. Oh well.
21:34 < cchamilt> owl: The Republic of Singapore is a city-state island.
21:34 < owl> ah. i c.
21:34 < cchamilt> I find it funny they treat their relatives like we do in the US.
21:35 < cchamilt> At least we had excuses.
21:36 < cchamilt> It is weird.  I wanted to see my cousin last month when I was in the US, but didn't want to spend time with him.
21:37 < cchamilt> It is like: 'hey your still alive right?', 'yep', 'ok see you in two more years'.
21:37 < cchamilt> Oh well, probably too deep for the list.
21:39 < esden> ahh .. now I know where singapore is
21:40 < cchamilt> Under Malaysia, above Indonesia.
21:40 < tcr> yeah, right at the ass of the world *cough*
21:40 < rolla> :)
21:40 < esden> near malaysia ... 
21:41 < esden> vietnam seems not to be very far away on the card ...
21:41 < cchamilt> tcr: Should I be offended?
21:41 < tcr> hmm the right idiom is rather 'in the back of beyond"
21:41 < tcr> cchamilt: no, was actually meant ironically... as i just coughed it
21:41 < cchamilt> esden: :) well it is at the bottom of Southeast Asia.
21:42 < cchamilt> tcr: Oh, OK.
21:42 < esden> and australia is not far away ... ... I can imagine that it is pretty hot there
21:42 < cchamilt> It is in a weird place geographically, which is why it is a city state.
21:42 < esden> ;-)
21:42 < tcr> cchamilt: and coughed not in the meaning of to admitt ... actually
21:43 < cchamilt> tcr: no prob.
21:43 < cchamilt> It is on the equator.
21:44 < cchamilt> So yeah it can be hot.  Mostly humid and stays 30+-3^C.
21:44 * -> esden wants to get some time to japan ... first of all ... later I can see if I will get to Singapore and visit you @ cchamilt ;-)
21:44 < cchamilt> Japan looks cool from the limited time I was there.
21:45 < esden> it is the state of technology and anime ... that is why I want to visit it ;-)
21:45 < cchamilt> I want to spend more time there.
21:45 < cchamilt> Oh, well I don't know how much of that you can see there.
21:45 < esden> but that will happen in 3 or 4 years ... wen I can communicate with them ... (that is not as easy as it seems)
21:46 < cchamilt> It isn't as open to tourism as you would think.  The highlight of tokyo is actually disney.
21:46 < esden> yes I know that
21:46 < esden> that is why I want to know japanese before I get there
21:46 < cchamilt> Japanese go to other countries to see things, not their backyard.
21:47 < esden> sorry I not really understand ...
21:48 < cchamilt> I mean, they are not set up for tourism because it really isn't a priority for them.
21:48 < esden> I can imagine that ...
21:49 < esden> nonetheless ... I want to learn japanese ... if I go there or not ... *shrug*
21:49 < cchamilt> Japanese is a good language.  I think it actually pretty logical romanized.
21:50 < esden> I can tell you more when I have learned more about it ... I only have read a bit about it
21:50 < cchamilt> Most things are romanized, so you can identify words easy.
21:50 < owl> esden: incl. writing it? ;)
21:50 < esden> owl: yes
21:50 < cchamilt> Yep.
21:51 < esden> hiragana is not so difficult
21:51 < cchamilt> Interesting.
21:51 < owl> esden: omg. have fun with it... but i guess it will take ages to communnicate in RL with the people, wouldn't it?
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21:52 < cchamilt> OK, it is 5am here and I need to do some work.
21:52 < kasc> owl: one can learn smalltalk quite quickly
21:53 < owl> kasc: hm. really?
21:53 < owl> but especially writing...
21:54 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos")
21:56 < esden> humm humm
21:57 < kasc> owl: hiragana and katakana are quite easy
21:57 * -> esden reading about smalltalk
21:57 < kasc> kanji are not difficult, but they are quite a few...
21:58 < owl> kasc: define "quite easy" ;)
21:58 < esden> kasc: three years of intensive studys should be enough to learn the base
21:59 < esden> owl: that are images
21:59 < esden> that means that the signs are logical -> easy
21:59 < owl> esden: i know. but - there are lots of it... i guess 20.000, or am i wrong?
22:00 < esden> owl: you do not need to know them all
22:00 < kasc> owl: there are only about 45 characters each. and each character is made of one to five more or less bent lines
22:02 < owl> hm. then i mixed something up.
22:02 < kasc> kanji are those several thousand pictogramms each made of up to twenty and more lines
22:03 < Mike1> owl!!!
22:04 < owl> kasc: ah. k. :) now i'm more clever than before ;P
22:05 < owl> Mike1: ???
22:05 < Mike1> owl!!!
22:05 < owl> Mike1: ???
22:06 < Mike1> owl!!!
22:06 < owl> *lol* :P
22:06 < Mike1> *g
22:08 < esden> you love each other ... do I see it right ? ;-)
22:08 < esden> in german you would say ... *tuerteltaeubchen*
22:08 < esden> or so
22:08 < Mike1> esden: of course
22:09 < owl> esden: *kick*
22:09 < esden> o_O
22:09 < esden> owl: be NICE !!! >_<
22:10 < Mike1> esden: is her way to say thx
22:10 < owl> esden: you want another kick? here you are: *kick* :P
22:13 < esden> Mike1: ahh ok
22:14 < esden> owl: that is so nice that you are saying thanks the second time ...
22:14 < owl> esden: don't believe Mike1. he is evil :P
22:14 < Mike1> esden: also she likes to be kicked back
22:14 * -> esden waiting for the third time
22:14 < owl> Mike1: don't telll lies :P
22:14 < esden> no Mike1 is not evil
22:14 < esden> he is very nice ...
22:14 * owl moves esden to /dev/hell
22:14 < Mike1> esden: first kick is thx, second kick is a kiss, guess the third kick
22:15 < esden> and he goes to church as all non evil people do (you only have to take a look at me)
22:15 < owl> esden: no. he is the most evil man i ever met... followed by you... (you both now - i'm just provoking)
22:15 < esden> owl: ohh ... you try to provoke ? tztz
22:15 < esden> bad girl
22:16 < owl> esden: yep.
22:16 < esden> you know what ... you are evil ... not we 
22:16 < owl> and i have no problems with it.
22:16 < esden> cat owl | sort > /dev/hell
22:17 < esden> I can not send her there so unsorted
22:17 < esden> otherwise would the hell device explode 
22:17 < owl> esden: pah.
22:17 * owl takes a sword and destroys esden 
22:17 < Mike1> owl sorry you can't
22:17 < owl> Mike1: why not?
22:18 < Mike1> No mortal can hurt esden
22:18 < esden> Mike1 is right owl 
22:18 < esden> I am immortal
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22:18 < tsa> hi
22:18 < esden> and no mortal has the power to do even a scratch on me
22:18 < owl> hm... "einbildung ist auch eine bildung"
22:18 < owl> hi tsa
22:18 < owl> esden: am i allowed to try it? *vbeg*
22:19 < kasc> hi tsa
22:19 < Mike1> owl: i have the power but guess what? i won't hurt my brother :)
22:19 < esden> you may ... but that will end with you death ... because I have reflexes that I can not help ... they happen ... 
22:19 < esden> hi tsa 
22:19 < owl> esden: hm
22:20 < esden> and the death will be very painfull ... 
22:20 < owl> death... sounds great in my ears...
22:20 < owl> painful - urgs.
22:20 < Mike1> owl: yes you will be hugged untill you die.. maybe something more
22:20 < esden> yes painfull ... but only because you always say that death is ok ... 
22:21 < esden> Mike1: very good idea
22:21 < owl> Mike1: uh... that's really evil *cries* :P
22:22 * -> esden giving owl a kiss ... so do you still want to try to scratch me ?
22:22 < Mike1> owl: /me is not evil
22:22 * Mike1 hugs owl
22:22 * owl runs awas
22:22 < owl> y
22:23 < esden> I knew that she will not be able to do that ;-)
22:23 < esden> weee the africola song !!!
22:23 < owl> esden: *hrmpf* pah!
22:25 * -> esden logging in on a pdp-11
22:26 < Mike1> owl!!!
22:26 < owl> Mike1: ?
22:27 < Mike1> owl!!!
22:27 < owl> oh oh... deja vu
22:27 < esden> argh ersatz-11 seems to be down >_<
23:13 < Mike1> *yawn*
23:16 < rolla> grrr
23:16 < Mike1> rolla ?
23:16 < rolla> morons . There are morons everywhere
23:17 < Mike1> whats up?
23:19 < rolla> just tired of morons
23:20 < esden> rolla: /me too
23:21 < rolla> :)
23:21 < rolla> I am just gald I get to go home soon
23:21 < rolla> Mike1: I have a new rock box to play with ;)
23:21 < Mike1> GOOD!
23:21 < rolla> yeah but it is a dual P II :) with all kinds of scsi
23:22 < Mike1> anyways i must go
23:22 < rolla> bye
23:22 < Mike1> rolla we will talk tomorrow about it
23:22 * Mike1 preparing 1.6.0pre3-Mike 
23:22 < Mike1> :)
23:22 < rolla> :)
23:22 < Mike1> esden: Gott segne dich mein freund
23:22 < Mike1> n8 all
23:22 < esden> n8 Mike1 !
23:23 < esden> god bless you too
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23:34 < tsa> cu
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23:51 < demian> hi
23:54 < demian> is there somewhere any libray used to ask a NIS/YP server user's info ?
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