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00:21 < owl> gn8
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01:22 < holyolli> moin
01:22 < Satg> moin holy
01:22 < holyolli> hi satg
01:22 -!- Satg is now known as Mike2
01:23 < Mike2> :)
01:23 < holyolli> oh..hola mi
01:23 < holyolli> ke
01:23 < holyolli> ;)
01:23 < Mike2> hehe hola ho
01:23 < Mike2> ly
01:23 < holyolli> como estas?
01:23 < Mike2> demaciado bien gracias a Dios y tu?
01:23 < holyolli> muy bien. a lot to learn
01:23 < holyolli> ;-)
01:23 < Mike2> holyolli: you never adviced me about ur trip
01:23 < Mike2> holyolli: flying already?
01:24 < holyolli> jepp
01:24 < Mike2> cool
01:24 < Mike2> how many hours you got?
01:24 < holyolli> mike2: at the moment 7h
01:24 < Mike2> nice nice
01:24 < holyolli> mike: every day 1,5h flying time
01:24 < Mike2> so no longer afraid?
01:24 < holyolli> mike: plus 3h backseater
01:24 < Mike2> sounds good
01:24 < holyolli> mike: not at the moment
01:25 < Mike2> holyolli: good, hope you will come by to cr soon :)
01:25 < holyolli> mike: /me hopes that also
01:25 < Mike2> btw i had a link for you somewhere mom
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01:30 < tsa> ..
01:31 < tsa> someone seems to just have lost his "link" ;-)
01:32 < Mike2> :)
01:32 < Mike2> hi tsa
01:34 < tsa> hi Mike
01:34 < tsa> 2
01:34 < Mike2> :)
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02:01 < c4y0> hello!!!!!!!!
02:01 < Fremen> helo
02:09 < Mike2> hi c4y0 and Fremen
02:09 < Mike2> que mas c4y0?
02:10 < c4y0> hola Mike2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:10 < Fremen> bien :)
02:11 < Mike2> c4y0: long time not seen you around
02:12 < c4y0> Mike2:  now im working!!!! jejeje
02:13 < Mike2> c4y0: congratulations
02:13 < Mike2> anyways i have a bussiness meeting so i will talk to you some other time
02:13 < Mike2> n8 all
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02:14 < Fremen> n8
02:22 < dreamind> nite :)
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07:11 < Mike2> moin
07:11 < Mike2> ping [anders]
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07:14 < blindcoder> moin Mike2
07:14 < blindcoder> *grmpf*
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09:34 < owl> hi
09:34 < owl> aszlig: aszlig.net not reachable from outside as it seems...
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13:21 < owl> re
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13:28 < aszlig> rehi
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13:41 < Ge0rG> *sigh* life suxx... I'm getting spam because my email-address is part of my irc hostmask... is it possible that it corelates to the web publication of #rocklinux logs?
13:46 < Ge0rG> what I mean is: are you getting spam too? maybe from a person named william uwe, regarding fund transfers? maybe the hostmasks in the irclogs should be obfuscated? or am I just paranoid?
13:52 < aszlig> hrm...
13:52 < aszlig> try setting up spamassassin
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14:09 < Ge0rG> hm... sounds like yet another workaround... I'll do more testing adn experiment with idents...
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14:55 < satg> Hello people !!!
14:55 < owl> hi satg
14:55 < satg> Hi owl
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15:15 < Mike1> moin all
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16:06 < Mike1> eso juanca
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17:02 < fake> esden: ping
17:02 < Mike1> hi fake :)
17:02 < fake> Mike1: hi! arp-spoofer ;)
17:02 < Mike1> grr
17:03 < fake> j/k
17:04 < Mike1> :)
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17:24 < esden> fake: reping
17:24 < fake> esden: hi!
17:24 < esden> hi fake !
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17:25 < fake> btw, esden, blindcoder, webalizer is gone since we moved from mars -> apollo
17:25 < tsa> hi
17:25 < tsa> blindcoder: are you alive?
17:26 < Mike1> tsa: quite a good question
17:26 < Mike1> :)
17:26 < tsa> hehe .. hi Mike1
17:26 < Mike1> hola tsa :)
17:26 < esden> hi Mike1, tsa 
17:26 < tsa> hi esden
17:27 < esden> fake: no ... we have installed it afterwords
17:27 < Mike1> hi esdy
17:27 < fake> esden: i already mentioned it not running a few weeks ago, but you said we don't need it ;)
17:28 < blindcoder> fake: no, because I used it up until the 10th of february
17:28 < blindcoder> hi all, my mum just stormed into my croom demanding me to open a website
17:34 < tsa> ahh
17:35 < tsa> hi blindcoder
17:35 < blindcoder> hi tsa :)
17:35 < tsa> == 17:22:38 =[5]=> Building blindcoder/libgli [0.4 1.7-snapshot].
17:35 < tsa> !> The package build aborted with the following config error:
17:35 < tsa> !> libgli: Unknown package category: x11/library
17:35 < tsa> !> libgli: Unknown package status: Unstable
17:35 < tsa> !> Disable the 'Paranoia Check' config option to ignore suc ..
17:35 < tsa> == 02/12/03 17:22:38 =[5]=> Aborted building package libgli.
17:35 < esden> hi blindcoder 
17:35 < tsa> please fix.
17:35 < blindcoder> ups...
17:35 < blindcoder> tsa: will do, thanks
17:35 < tsa> hehe..ok..
17:35 < blindcoder> Maybe I shouldn't have disabled the Paranoia check since the "Found duplicate files"-Chock was added
17:35 < blindcoder> hi esden
17:36 < tsa> # ls *err|wc -l
17:36 < tsa>      84
17:36 < blindcoder> I had >300
17:36 < blindcoder> and without the para-check ~90
17:36 < tsa> hm...this is with para-check, i'm in stage 7 now..
17:36 < tsa> i won't do stage 9 since too much stuff is broken.
17:37 < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should compile ROCK more often then :)
17:38 < tsa> whoever introduced two bdb versions should be shot...that breaks most things..
17:38 < blindcoder> hmm
17:38 < tsa> ...and i'd very appreciate if someone could code a better linker for linux.
17:39 < blindcoder> hehe
17:39 < tsa> having a ld with run-path support would make many things a lot easier..
17:39 * tsa starts to like solaris.
17:39 < Mike1> slowlaris?
17:40 < fake> slooow...
17:40 < fake> so damn slooooooow...
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17:40 < tsa> hm...solaris 9 is ok, imho.
17:40 < fake> on intel? ;)
17:41 < tsa> NO!
17:41 < fake> well, it indeed is usable on an dual USparc3 900 ;)
17:41 < fake> with 2 Gigs of ram
17:41 < tsa> on my u10 and on my ss20 with 1.5 cpu's :-(
17:41 < fake> 1.5?
17:41 < fake> counting the keyboard controller? ;)
17:41 < tsa> 2x 125mhz, but the fpu is broken in one of them..
17:42 < fake> oh -_-
17:42 < tsa> :-((
17:42 < tsa> still looking for a cheap replacement of upgrade..
17:42 < fake> i have to admit i only had contact with solaris 9 on a blade 1000 with the above-mentioned config and on bigger servers
17:42 < tsa> i wonder why you don't like it, then..
17:43 < fake> but the 'desktop'-performance of solaris 8 gave me the creeps
17:43 < tsa> ack. 8 is really slow..
17:43 < tsa> cde sucks, anyway..
17:43 < fake> solaris 9 is ok... ssh is in there by default. greate plus...
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17:43 < fake> if only gnome2 were in it...
17:44 < tsa> oh...gnome2.0 is available from sun..
17:44 < tsa> released a few days ago..
17:44 < Mike1> ack
17:44 < fake> i know, but i isn't in solaris 9, so i will not have it on sun's internal sunrays pretty soon ;)
17:44 < tsa> hehe
17:45 < fake> they're still on solaris 8
17:45 < tsa> ah
17:45 < fake> what is the most significant change when you're a sysadmin between solaris 9 and 8 ?
17:45 < fake> df -h works ;))
17:46 < tsa> sun-ssh is a great step forward, but i has some problems when using protocol 2 and dsa-keys for authentication
17:46 < fake> ACK
17:46 < fake> i fell back to rsa1
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17:46 < tsa> sun-ssh -> openssh works ok, but dsa-authentication doesn't work the other way round..
17:47 < fake> jep. and of course i needed an ascii-armored key for in-shell-script-distribution... rsa1 is not very ascii-comptaible... :)
17:48 < fake> bad evil uuen/uudecode hack
17:49 < fake> does anybody know wether openbsd already got the usparcIII docs from sun?
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17:51 < tsa> no idea..
17:51 < fake> hm...
17:51 * fake had frustrating experiences with freebsd 5.0 for sparc64 this weekend
17:52 < zer0_o> what happend? =(
17:52 < fake> first of all sysinstall isn't usable if you don't know that Ctrl+N and Ctrl+P can replace the cursor keys
17:53 < zer0_o> lol
17:53 < fake> second, the complete xfree package is missing on the 2 (!) distribution cd's - but the option to install it is offered
17:53 < fake> and third, the kernel panics when installing perl (much disk i/o)
17:54 < zer0_o> ??
17:54 < zer0_o> xfree is missing ?
17:54 < fake> no idea...
17:54 < zer0_o> i installed it  =)
17:54 < fake> if i select that in sysinstall, it complains about a mising tgz
17:54 < fake> zer0_o: what machine?
17:54 < zer0_o> i386
17:54 < fake> i am talking about sparc64...
17:55 < fake> (if xfree weren't included on i386, i wouldn't be able to read this ;)
17:55 < zer0_o> ^^
18:11 < zer0_o> fake
18:11 < fake> wuff?
18:11 < zer0_o> did you install winex?
18:12 < fake> just wine, iirc
18:13 < fake> wanted to play dod on a lan session ;)
18:13 < zer0_o> wine doesn't support directx , right?
18:13 < fake> of course it does!
18:13 < fake> directx is about the one thing wine can do best - besides crashing ;)
18:14 < Mike1> directx is for the birds
18:14 < zer0_o> i thought winex was for directx 8.1 ?
18:14 < fake> the... big birds. the ones with large claws...
18:14 < Mike1> :))
18:14 < Mike1> ls
18:14 < Mike1> grr
18:14 < fake> winex just has 'improved' support for directx
18:14 < zer0_o> l÷l
18:15 < zer0_o> ah
18:15 < fake> the most thing in winex is if you pay for it, there is a copy-protection-circumvention for installshield in it
18:15 * zer0_o is going out with the dog =)
18:15 < fake> i never found out what else is oh-so-different
18:15 < fake> zer0_o: wuff wuff.
18:15 < zer0_o> yeah ;)
18:16 < zer0_o> fake, does it support dx 9 ?
18:17 < zer0_o> ouch, dx 9 isn't out yet ^^
18:17 < zer0_o> LOL
18:17 < fake> it isn't?
18:17 < zer0_o> is it ?
18:17 < fake> no, i think it supports dx7 - or - something but that doesn't matter
18:17 < Mike1> ask the birds
18:17 < zer0_o> hehe
18:17 < zer0_o> i will
18:17 < fake> no game out there uses those features, iirc
18:18 < fake> or they are backwards-compatible
18:18 < fake> and only work if you have a gfx card faster than your processor
18:18 < fake> hehe.
18:18 < fake> damn games.
18:18 < zer0_o> games are cool, but mostly not good written ...
18:19 < zer0_o> i have really to go now
18:19 < zer0_o> otherwise the dog get nervous ^^
18:19 < fake> bye zer0_o !
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19:56 < owl> hi
19:59 < tcr> moin all
19:59 < owl> hi tcr
20:00 < owl> tcr: (or someone) ever "aufgeschraubt" a DEC 3000/300 LX
20:00 < owl> ?
20:01 < tcr> I might have unscrewed one at any time... but I'm not a hardware guy anyway, so i dont think i can help you with any issue on it
20:01 < owl> *cries* thx.
20:02 < owl> esden: *ping* ?
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21:23 < armijn> re
21:24 < owl> hi armijn
21:24 < armijn> hi owl
21:24 < armijn> believe it or not, I'm currently running ROCK...
21:25 < owl> armijn: hehe ;) what happend?
21:25 < armijn> well, I've got this hybrid ROCK/Debian on UltraSparc...
21:25 < armijn> and decided to boot ROCK and then I noticed ssh wasm
21:25 < armijn> ehr
21:25 < armijn> wasn't broken
21:26 < armijn> it was just that the network wasn't configured right
21:26 < owl> hm. k
21:26 < armijn> but I will install OpenBSD anyway
21:26 < armijn> just to play with pf
21:26 < armijn> I interviewed Bruce Perens today
21:27 < armijn> was interesting
21:28 < tsa> re.
21:28 < tsa> hi armijn
21:29 < owl> hi tsa
21:29 < tsa> hi owl
21:29 < armijn> hi tsa
21:35 < tcr> armijn: where will it be able to be read from?
21:36 < Mike1> well well look who is here
21:36 < armijn> tcr: the interview?
21:36 < Mike1> owl was starting to miss you armijn
21:36 < tcr> yep
21:36 < armijn> tcr: Linux Magazine NL
21:37 < armijn> Mike1: of course, and you know I love her dearly, so I returned
21:38 < owl> Mike1: don't tell lies
21:38 < blindcoder> =me going to bed.
21:38 < blindcoder> god night, everyone
21:39 < owl> good night blindy
21:42 < Mike1> nacht blindcoder
21:43 < Mike1> owl: i am not the one saying that loves you
21:43 < Mike1> armijn: so when is the wedding ? will i be invited?
21:43 < Mike1> :)
21:43 < tcr> hmm anyone knows when the uptime is overflowed?
21:43 < armijn> tcr: after about 500 days :)
21:44 < armijn> 497 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes and 53 seconds
21:45 < armijn> mike1: maybe...
21:45 < armijn> tcr: i fyou rally wanna know, check an article on http://e-zine.nluug.nl/
21:45 < owl> Mike1: aeh?
21:45 < armijn> about Linux uptime
21:46 < tcr> already found
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21:47 < tcr> uh, that scares me
21:47 < armijn> they're replicating! AAAAAH!
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21:47 < tsa> hm..we have two machines at work with recently overflowed uptime counters..
21:47 < armijn> tsa: 2.2 kernels?
21:48 < tsa> both with 2.2.19 kernels..
21:48 < tsa> yes
21:48 < armijn> check the article on e-zine.nluug.nl ;-)
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21:49 < armijn> argh, got too many books I still need to read
21:49 < Mike1> armijn: enjoy :)
21:49 < armijn> mike1: urgh.
21:50 < tsa> armijn: are you familar with sun ram?
21:50 < armijn> tsa: you mean the forth stuff?
21:50 < armijn> OpenBoot stuff?
21:50 < tcr> armijn: me too
21:50 < tsa> no. i have some problems with adding RAM to my ultra10.
21:50 < armijn> ah, oh
21:51 < armijn> well, it's pretty muich standard stuff...
21:51 < armijn> buy it from Sun, add it, turn on power again
21:51 < tsa> i know. edo ecc 3.3v buffered
21:51 < tsa> no.
21:51 < tsa> _that's_ the problem.
21:51 < armijn> well, I only have SBus machines, with proprietary RAM chips
21:51 < tsa> i already have 2x128mb in the machine
21:52 < tsa> now i got another 2x128mb
21:52 < tsa> power off, put RAM in, turn power on again. memory detected as 2x32mb
21:52 < armijn> and?
21:52 < tsa> ..which is not what i really want.
21:52 < armijn> if you swap it?
21:53 < tsa> already tried that.
21:53 < tsa> no success.
21:53 < tcr> tsa: passing mem= doesnt change anything?
21:53 < armijn> the OpenBoot stuff detects only 2 * 32 MB?
21:53 < tsa> exchanged modules, put only the new ones in and it comes up reporting a total of 64mb
21:53 < tsa> yes.
21:54 < tsa> tcr: passing mem= to what?
21:55 < tcr> kernel
21:55 < armijn> so, maybe these modules are wrong?
21:55 < armijn> tcr: that's got no use
21:55 < tsa> the new modules are part-no 370-3200-01, double-sided.
21:55 < armijn> tcr: the OPB doesn't detect it
21:55 < tcr> ok
21:55 < tsa> the old ones have another part-no. and they are single sided.
21:55 < tsa> sunsolve says they should work, but they don't.
21:55 < armijn> tsa: call Sun helpdesk? ask ripclaw?
21:56 < tsa> armijn: no contract. but i sure will call ripclaw tomorrow..
21:58 < armijn> good
21:58 < armijn> I should reboot...
21:59 < armijn> test a disk
21:59 < tsa> have fun..
21:59 < armijn> dunno :)
21:59 < armijn> it was a disk I got from a W2K server (Dell machine) which broke down
21:59 < armijn> I'd love to have it in my Ultra1...
21:59 < armijn> but I'm not sure if it still works
21:59 < armijn> put some Sun sliders on it
21:59 < tsa> scsi disk?
21:59 < armijn> SCA
21:59 < tsa> hm..ok.
22:00 < armijn> like all good disks ;-)
22:00 < tsa> will probably complain about disklabel and stuff.
22:00 < tsa> format/fmthard should help
22:00 < armijn> nah, just fdisk
22:00 < tsa> linux?
22:00 < armijn> da
22:01 < tsa> hm..ok. no format/fmthard, then.
22:01 < armijn> I don't care for the data
22:01 < armijn> it was in a RAID-5 setup on W2K...
22:01 < armijn> and the machine crashed hard
22:01 < armijn> and is replaced by a tiny FreeBSD machine
22:02 < tsa> raid is a good mechnism to ensure _all_ data gets corrupted on win2k..
22:02 < armijn> oh, but this was a really special case
22:02 < armijn> when one disk had failed and the machine was rebooted, it didn't find a boot device
22:02 < armijn> turned out the controller didn't like a failed disk
22:02 < armijn> so we upgraded the firmware
22:03 < armijn> turned out Windows didn't like that version of the firmware
22:03 < tsa> hehe
22:03 < armijn> and another *CLUELESS* labadmin tried to "fix" it and crashed another disk
22:03 < armijn> "see! it's not Windows' fault!"
22:03 < armijn> that's what he said
22:05 < armijn> so I kicked him out of the lab (more or less, he sensed bad vibes) and I installed a machine with FreeBSD, Samba, ISC dhcpd and it's been running like that for quite a while without problems
22:05 < armijn> and that was the *REALLY* short version of the story :)
22:06 < armijn> ok, I need to test that disk
22:06 < armijn> I will be back for owl later...
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22:13 < zer0_o> hi all
22:14 < owl> hi zer0_o
22:14 < zer0_o> hi owl, whats up?
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22:17 < owl> re
22:17 < zer0_o> re
22:51 < demian> hi
22:52 < Mike1> demian:  :)
22:52 < owl> hi demian
22:52 < demian> i have webmail in scar already
22:52 < Mike1> good
22:52 < demian> Mike1: wanna see screenshots ?
22:52 < demian> squirrelmail !
22:52 < Mike1> you suck!
22:53 < demian> hehe, i put it for a while
22:53 < demian> cause im having probs with jawmail..
22:53 < demian> it doesnt recognize i have php installed propertly
22:53 < Mike1> demian: maybe because you didnt compile it properly
22:53 < demian> i will hack it later
22:53 < Mike1> sure
22:54 < Mike1> squirellmail...man !
22:54 < demian> no, it is well compiled, squirrelmails dunt have probs
22:54 < demian> take it easy
22:54 < demian> ill change it when i solve that little prob :)
22:54 < demian> but..
22:55 < Mike1> demian: sure it is easy squirrelmail is for mdk users
22:55 < demian> i cant send messages, sendmail says that apache is not able to write to the queue dir
22:55 < Mike1> i am starting to see the problem
22:55 < demian> but the rest of users are able.
22:56 < Mike1> it is not a software problem, its more an admin problem :)
22:56 < demian> and.. the apache user, by itself dunt have probs to acess those dirs, and write to them
22:56 < demian> well, probably
22:56 < Mike1> read :)
22:56 < demian> but.. even with 7777 permissions apache cant write there
22:57 < Mike1> lol
22:57 < Mike1> definitly an admin problem
22:57 < Mike1> :)
22:57 < demian> hehe
22:57 < demian> Feb 12 14:21:30 scar sendmail[32756]: h1CKLSnS032756: SYSERR(apache): queueup: cannot create queue temp file ./tfh1CKLSnS032756, uid=2011: Permission denied
22:57 < demian> when i su to apache, i can write and send mail like other user.
22:58 < tsa> version?
22:58 < demian> of ?
22:59 < tsa> sendmail
22:59 < demian> 8.12.6
22:59 < Mike1> ah well i am off
22:59 < Mike1> n8 all
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23:00 < tcr> n8 mike
23:00 < tsa>  ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail
23:00 < demian> im not on that host now.. but what da u want to see ?
23:00 < tsa> permissions..
23:01 < demian> it is suid, owned by smmsp.smmsp
23:01 < tsa> suid?
23:01 < tsa> strange.
23:01 < demian> same happened when i installed inn
23:01 * tsa recommends sgid
23:02 < tsa> -r-xr-sr-x    1 root     smmsp      544820 Nov 29 22:02 /usr/sbin/sendmail
23:02 < tsa> drwxrwx---    2 smmsp    smmsp          48 Feb 12 22:49 /var/spool/clientmqueue/
23:02 < tsa> drwx------    2 root     root           48 Feb 12 22:49 /var/spool/mqueue/
23:02 < demian> aha
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23:04 < demian> well, first.. apache was complaining cause it was unable to read sendmail.cf. and after that.. the problem creating the queue
23:04 < demian> Feb 12 14:21:30 scar sendmail[32756]: h1CKLSnS032756: SYSERR(apache): collect: Cannot write ./dfh1CKLSnS032756 (bfcommit, uid=2011, gid=201): Permission denied
23:05 < tsa> sendmail.cf should be 644
23:06 < demian> yes, i fixed it after see that, go+r permissions
23:09 < tsa> permissions of submit.cf ?
23:09 < demian> no..
23:10 < tsa> no?
23:10 < demian> apache seems to be able to send, but not to write queue.
23:10 < demian> no
23:10 < demian> why apache is reading those files, instead of use sendmail directly ?
23:11 < tsa> apache executes sendmail, sendmail reads submit.cf
23:11 < tsa> i'd guess /etc/mail/submit.cf is missing.
23:11 < demian> well, sendmail is able to read submit.cf of course
23:12 < demian> why u think so ?
23:13 < tsa> had a similar problem a while ago..
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23:13 < armijn> re
23:13 < armijn> bwah, I hate this...disk is too big to fit in the case
23:13 < demian> i will deep at that then, thanx
23:13 < tsa> hehe
23:14 < tsa> what kind of machine is it?
23:14 < demian> hi armijn
23:14 < armijn> tsa: Ultra1
23:15 < armijn> so now I've to hook it up externally...
23:15 < armijn> I hope I got the right cable for it
23:15 * demian uses a hard disk rack for those probs ;-)
23:16 < armijn> yeah, well, that isn't gonna help me here now is it?
23:16 < armijn> :)
23:17 < armijn> tsa: disks are full height...so, doesn't fit...
23:17 < armijn> either two half height, or one full height
23:17 < demian> well, u have first to put the rack..which dunno if is gonna fit too :p
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23:21 < demian> hi ringo30
23:22 < ringo30> hi demian !
23:22 < ringo30> all ok ?
23:23 < demian> so so.. ur side ?
23:25 < ringo30> rel ok .. trying to understand iptables :-( hmm got to read for 2 hour or so ...
23:25 < armijn> use ipfilter
23:25 < armijn> you'd have to install a BSD or Solaris for it, but it's worth it
23:27 < demian> ip6tables
23:27 < tcr> and then? he'd have to spend several hours for ipfilter? where are the advantages▀
23:27 < armijn> you don' thave to spend several hours for ipfilter ;-)
23:27 < ringo30> bedankt armijn oops dutch ;-)
23:27 < armijn> that's the beauty of it
23:28 < armijn> it reads like poetry...
23:28 < tcr> you have to spend several hours for iptables either
23:28 < tcr> dont
23:28 < tcr> anyway, why dont you just use some of those graphical frontends?
23:28 < armijn> not all this gibberish of input chains, output chains, temporary chains, backup chains and lots of other chains
23:28 < armijn> no, just: filter that stuff on this interface, that stuff on that one
23:29 < ringo30> Yeh i've read some things ... Armijn helemaaal gelijk, PREROUTING POSTROUTING ...
23:30 < armijn> exactly
23:31 < demian> what's the diff between iptables and ipfilter ?
23:31 < armijn> demian: iptables is on Linux
23:31 < armijn> ipfilter is on FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris
23:32 < demian> but.. it is the same stuff about chains and tables, and targets ?
23:32 < armijn> no
23:33 < demian> so.. what changes ?
23:33 < armijn> the operating system??
23:34 < ringo30> tcr: Am looking for graph front end, what is a good one fwbuilder firestarter guarddog kmyfirewall shaorewall ?
23:34 < demian> nevermind :/
23:34 < tcr> fwbuilder looked good when I was trying it
23:35 < tcr> havent tested the other ones though
23:35 < ringo30> I'll give that a try
23:35 < ringo30> eating cold bamischijf met mayo
23:36 < armijn> that's disgusting
23:36 < ringo30> hmm I love it !
23:40 < demian> could someone remember me the format of the rule to maskerade ? (iptables)
23:40 < demian> i need NOW to make a 192.168.0.0 net join with the 10.0.0.0 netword to make them able to connect to inet
23:41 < armijn> demian: euh
23:41 < armijn> NAT
23:41 < demian> aha
23:41 < demian> iptables - t nat ..what else ?
23:41 < armijn> or renumber one of the networks
23:42 < armijn> which is the easiest way
23:42 < armijn> *if* you've got DHCP
23:42 < armijn> smells like bad network design
23:42 < armijn> :)
23:42 < demian> this situation makes it impossible now.. maybe later
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23:49 < ringo30> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_DEV -j MASQUERADE
23:51 < ringo30> demain: any good ?
23:51 < demian> yes, i just will add -i option, tahnx
23:52 < ringo30> demain: ok, no probs.
23:57 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082B3EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:57 < Be-El> hi ppl
23:57 < demian> hi Be-El
23:58 < Be-El> i've got a question about mine...if i remove a package, does it remove modified files of that package (in this case sysfiles and /etc/passwd /etc/groups....)
23:59 < Be-El> and what happens if i install a new version of a package ?
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