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01:59 < dreamind> Hi
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09:19 * -> esden brewing coffee
09:20 < esden> good morning everybody
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10:08 < fronti> moin
10:08 < fronti> moin esdn
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10:34 < esden> hi fronti 
11:17 < toberkel> hi
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12:00 < owl> morning
12:00 < blindcoder> moin
12:01 < owl> hi blindy
12:18 < toberkel> moin
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12:18 < owl> 2hi Lorini
12:18 < owl> -2
12:18 < Lorini> hi owl
12:18 < Lorini> so ein zufall, dich such ich :)
12:18 < owl> huh?!!!
12:18 < toberkel> hi owl, Lorini
12:18 < Lorini> hi toberkel
12:20 < blindcoder> hi Lorini
12:20 < blindcoder> hi toberkel, hi rest :)
12:21 < Lorini> huhu blindy
12:21 < owl> moin toberkel
12:22 < toberkel> hi blindcoder
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13:36 < owl> hmpf...
13:37 < daja77> what do you mean?
13:37 < owl> nothing...
13:37 < daja77> *lol* sounds interesting
13:37 < owl> yeah...
13:38 < blindcoder> sounds like there's an owl loose..
13:38 < owl> blindcoder: owl loose? haeh? wtf do you mean?
13:38 < blindcoder> owl: never mind...
13:39 < owl> blindcoder: tell me ... *grml*
13:39 < blindcoder> no
13:39 < owl> *hr*
13:40 < blindcoder> owl: how was the thinking?
13:40 < daja77> you have to think what you say here, it is recorded
13:41 < owl> blindcoder: hm. i'm too stupid to think. so don't ask me
13:41 < owl> daja77: i know. and i don't mind.
13:41 < blindcoder> daja77: so what? I don't regret the BS I'm saying :)
13:42 < daja77> blindcoder: I thought that was the reason not to be true to owl
13:42 < blindcoder> daja77: nah, owl knows me, so she also knows that what I say usually isn't coherent at all
13:42 < daja77> blincoder: good to know
13:42 < owl> *g*
13:47 < kasc> moin
13:47 < daja77> moin
13:47 < owl> moin kasc
13:53 < kasc> does any1 know how to increase capacity for TeX?
13:53 < daja77> what capacity
13:54 < blindcoder> hi kasc
13:56 < kasc> whatever capacity i need to fix this:
13:56 < kasc> ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [main memory size=263001].
13:57 < daja77> could you send me the document to check that?
13:57 < kasc> dcc or email?
13:57 < daja77> dcc
14:00 < daja77> ! LaTeX Error: File `QC2_MO_Schema.tex' not found.
14:00 < kasc> wait, i'll put everything into a tarball...
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14:02 < rxr> hi
14:02 < owl> hi rxr
14:02 < rxr> hi owl
14:02 < tibit> kasc: /usr/lib/teTeX/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
14:03 < blindcoder> hi rxr
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14:06 < rxr> hi blindcoder
14:07 < rxr> since two hours we have DSL again ;-)
14:07 < daja77> kasc: error happens also here, but with more memory used
14:07 < daja77> found that http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=enlarge
14:08 < daja77> and http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=semanticnest
14:08 < blindcoder> rxr: sweet :)
14:09 < rxr> tibit: you started to use ROCK Linux?
14:09 < tibit> rxr: I used 1.3.11 for nearly 3 years and now I compiled a new 1.7 snapshot
14:10 < tibit> rxr: So I guess you can call me a starter
14:11 < rxr> tibit:  no
14:11 < rxr> tibit: after the patches to the ML I did a quick google, and found some transcode development and so ...
14:11 < rxr> I only wondered how you discovered ROCK ...
14:12 < tibit> I did not mean to say I am a starter at Linux, just at ROCK linux
14:13 < tibit> For me doing quite some development, I think ROCK helps me in staying up to date (especially with all that Video stuff)
14:16 < rxr> we can move transcode into your rep if you want to maintain it ... (I have too many anyway). thanks for the dvd::rip package - it was on my todo, too.
14:18 < tibit> We can do that, yes.
14:19 < tibit> although maintaining it isnt much of a hassle (at least I hope so :)
14:20 < tibit> another thing: for dvd::rip to find gtk-perl I have to set PERL5LIB=/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-pc-linux-gnu
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14:24 < rxr> tibit: I only compiled it once at my brothers box, this was a dRock-1.x.y ROCK variant. I installed another Gtk-Perl package and then it worked without special "hacks"
14:25 < rxr> is huebi online ?
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14:33 < kasc> daja77: thx, but didnt really work like i wanted it to
14:33 < daja77> too many files included
14:34 < kasc> i did a workaround with putting the pictures into eps-files
14:34 < kasc> guess the *.epic files were too ugly
14:34 < daja77> increasing the main memory did not help?
14:34 < kasc> nope
14:35 < daja77> if you can can work around it, it will be as well
14:35 < kasc> now either my latex or my acrobat reader doesnt like colorful pictures :(
14:36 < daja77> what about gv?
14:38 < kasc> hey, gv seems to like them now :)
14:38 < daja77> good
14:38 < kasc> at least in ps
14:38 < daja77> btw, which version of acrobat you are using?
14:39 < daja77> how did you created the pdf?
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14:40 < kasc> pdflatex didnt like the colors. latex + dvipdf worked :)
14:40 < kasc> acrobat reader 4.0
14:40 < kasc> perhaps i should upgrade...
14:40 < daja77> yes, version 5.6 is available for linux
14:40 < daja77> it is faster and better than 4.x
14:42 < kasc> on adobe.com they say 5.1 is the latest...
14:43 < daja77> cool, for linux?
14:43 < kasc> windows...
14:43 < daja77> Oh, I knew it.
14:43 < kasc> need a windows version to print
14:43 < daja77> why
14:44 < kasc> coz i'm too lazy to setup cups ;)
14:44 < daja77> the penalty is adequate, hehe
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14:50 * kasc smacks his head
14:50 < daja77> does it help?
14:50 < kasc> no wonder the usb autodetection of the printer didnt work... the printer was switched off...
14:50 < kasc> a bit ;)
14:51 < daja77> that's why they write in every manual "Be sure all cables are connected properly"
14:53 < kasc> after all it didnt hurt to have a look at the kernel config if every driver was enabled during the last build ;)
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15:08 < kasc> for some reason cups doesnt like to be connected to
15:08 < daja77> to what
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15:12 < kasc> all lp* commands complain about not being able to connect
15:12 < daja77> check the permissions in cupsd.conf
15:13 < daja77> it is default that you can only connect to localhost
15:20 < kasc> i should only want to connect to localhost, shouldnt i?
15:21 < daja77> what is the message lpr prints out exactly?
15:23 < kasc>  sending job 'kasc@Moria+43' to epson2@localhost
15:23 < kasc>  connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1
15:23 < kasc>  cannot open connection to localhost - Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
15:23 < kasc> Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol
15:24 < daja77> strange, what is printer status in webgui
15:24 < daja77> cupsd is running?
15:25 < kasc> yep
15:25 < kasc> accepting jobs
15:26 < daja77> missing localhost entry in /etc/hosts perhaps?
15:27 < kasc> nope
15:29 < daja77> I had lots of trouble with cups but not such
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15:31 < daja77> wait I got an idea
15:31 < rxr> cu
15:31 < daja77> you have the wrong lpr in use, it must be the cups lpr and not the old one
15:31 < owl> good night... bbl
15:32 < daja77> owl: still no feeling for the clock
15:32 < owl> daja77: :P
15:32 < owl> or simple: ill
15:32 < kasc> checking...
15:33 < daja77> owl: shit happens
15:33 < owl> daja77: *kick*
15:34 < daja77> owl: I sincerely hope you'll get better soon
15:35 < owl> thx
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15:40 < kasc> daja77: works now, but still that beast wont print :(
15:41 < kasc> for some reasons the jobs get cancelled
15:41 < daja77> what document type?
15:43 < kasc> postscript
15:43 < daja77> cups has trouble with postscript documents where the page information is not set up correctly
15:44 < daja77> try ps2ps before printing
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15:45 < kasc> still the same
15:46 < daja77> is it the document you send me
15:46 < kasc> generally, yes
15:47 < daja77> hmm, creating pdf and printing from acroread (5) works best for me
15:52 < kasc> even there the same
15:59 < daja77> can you send me your cupsd.conf?
16:25 < blindcoder> re
16:25 < Mike1> hi blindy
16:25 < Mike1> moin all
16:26 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
16:29 < daja77> can you print a testpage?
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18:42 < daja77> re
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18:48 < Mike1> welcome back daja77
18:49 < daja77> hello Mike1
18:49 < Mike1> daja77: i guess you took quite _ALOT_ of fresh air :)
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18:51 < javito> moin
18:51 < Mike1> hola javito
18:51 < daja77> Mike1: I was out awhile, but the air was rather dirty
18:51 < Mike1> daja77: too bad ..
18:51 < javito> wheres tobias ritweriler?
18:51 < Mike1> javito: no idea
18:51 < javito> aka tcr
18:52 < javito> hola Mike1
18:52 < daja77> Mike1: better than staying home, anyway
18:52 < javito> anyway..
18:52 < javito> i wanna install rock on my workstation
18:52 < javito> i got 5gb space
18:52 < Mike1> javito: yeah ...
18:52 < Mike1> javito: ROCK version to install?
18:53 < Mike1> 1.7 or 1.6?
18:53 < javito> i just grabbed da 1.6.x bz2 file
18:53 < javito> und i also got ein rh8 boot cdrom
18:53 < javito> i was planning to do the partitions on redhat and the ./ the rock script
18:53 < Mike1> javito: ok look first you need a Linux system running on which you can build ROOOOOOCK from the sources
18:54 < javito> 1.6.0pre3
18:54 < Mike1> sorry for the several O's
18:54 < daja77> it is hard work to get a redhat system to compile rock, I must know
18:54 < javito> i also have debian 3 here deja
18:54 < javito> i also have debian 3 here daja77
18:54 < javito> =)
18:55 < Mike1> first thing to is to make sure that you have support for devfs
18:55 < daja77> there is still work to do, are you familiar with Linux?
18:55 < Mike1> mom
18:55 < javito> sure
18:55 < Mike1> daja77: is that question for me?
18:56 < daja77> nope
18:56 < javito> i also have a gnome-live cd based on knoppix
18:56 < javito> but dunno if its got gcc n stuff
18:57 < javito> i got three choices
18:57 < javito> gentoo. febian or rock
18:57 < javito> you chose rock
18:57 < javito> so whats up!
18:57 < daja77> forget about knoppix, you need a distro where you can compile a kernel
18:58 < javito> so i gotta install debian first right?
18:58 < Mike1> javito: there is nothinggg better to Build ROCK Linux than a ROCK Linux system :)
18:58 < javito> kewl
18:58 < javito> Mike1: where did you bulid your rock system
18:59 * fronti build his rocklinux on his rocklinux
18:59 < daja77> javito: again, how much experience do you have with linux?
18:59 < Mike1> well i downloaded a rock linux iso
18:59 < Mike1> and installed the bassssssssse
18:59 < javito> i starting playing with redhat manhattan
18:59 < Mike1> damn keyboard
19:00 < javito> daja77:  i aint no RKOL
19:00 < javito> got it?
19:00 < Mike1> javito: the first rock i ever used was 1.2
19:00 < daja77> javito: nope
19:00 < javito> rich kid on linux
19:00 < javito> anyway..
19:00 < javito> im installing debian
19:00 < Mike1> javito: there are many resources on the rocklinux website that will guide you to install and build rock
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19:01 < Mike1> javito: i must advice you that 1.6.x tree has the root disk broken so you will not be able to install it from a cd
19:01 < Mike1> javito: i have noticed more stabaility on the 1.7 tree (believe it or not)
19:02 < Mike1> so you might wanna go directly to 1.7 in stead of 1.6.0pre3
19:02 < daja77> there are no 1.7 isos available
19:02 < Mike1> daja77: yes there are
19:03 < daja77> Mike1: where?
19:04 < Mike1> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/unstable/1.7-19c3/
19:04 < Mike1> those were build by Rene Rebe on 19c3
19:04 < Mike1> i have some isos too but no available on to download atm
19:05 < daja77> well, I looked for a generic iso
19:05 < javito> have you been at 19c3 Mike1?
19:06 < Mike1> javito: no, my company didn't allow me to take vacations for those days
19:06 < Mike1> javito: and i live quite so far away to make a quick trip to germany
19:07 < Mike1> daja77: just try that one
19:07 < Mike1> or ask esden or blindcoder to share one of thems with you
19:08 < daja77> Mike1: tomorrow I will have a big connection on the Linuxtag, so I can try that tomorrow
19:08 < Mike1> daja77: sure
19:08 < daja77> Mike1: I got redhat to build rock anyway
19:09 < javito> tomorrow is the linuxtag?
19:09 < Mike1> daja77: well it will be a tricky thing to get it to build properly but i am sure you will make it
19:09 < javito> ???
19:09 < Mike1> :)
19:09 < Mike1> javito: were u at 19c3?
19:09 < daja77> javito: not the linuxtag, but a local one in chemnitz
19:09 < javito> i  read the linuxtag will be at june or july!
19:09 < javito> chemnitz? ist in Deutschland?
19:10 < daja77> yepp
19:10 < javito> okz
19:10 < javito> gut
19:10 < javito> habe fun!
19:10 < daja77> http://www.tu-chemitz.de/linux/tag
19:11 < javito> so Mike1 you says tha i should grab a iso from ftp rigjt?
19:11 < ruddur> hi, thanks Mike1 for the info about iso it's my problem to
19:11 < ruddur> now it's resolved
19:12 < Mike1> javito: if you want, it will be definitly easier to build your own rock tree with in a rock enviroment
19:12 < Mike1> ruddur: glad to hear that :)
19:12 < javito> ok
19:12 < javito> i soon as the debian installation finnish i will grab that iso n burn it out!
19:13 < Mike1> i must warn you guys that 1.7 tree is a development tree so somethings will be broken or buggy, but it will behave ok
19:13 < Mike1> as 1.6.x tree is broken atm
19:13 < Mike1> javito: good :)
19:16 < ruddur> javito for download quickly
19:16 < ruddur> wget ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/unstable/1.7-19c3/rock-1.7-2002-12-24-CD1.iso
19:17 < Mike1> :)
19:17 < javito> thnx
19:17 < ruddur> oki
19:18 < Mike1> ping esden
19:19 < javito> Logging in as anonymous ... Still waiting./...
19:22 < javito> Mike1: can i grab that file from another ftp?
19:23 < Mike1> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/unstable/1.7-19c3/
19:23 < Mike1> javito: but it won't be really fast ...
19:27 < javito> i even cant start downloading!
19:27 < Mike1> javito: are you behind a firewall or proxy?
19:28 < javito> nope
19:28 < daja77> javito: try wget --passive-ftp
19:29 < daja77> error message?
19:29 < javito> ncftp /dRock/unstable/1.7-19c3 > get rock-1.7-2002-12-24-CD1.iso
19:29 < javito> rock-1.7-2002-12-24-CD1.iso:       ETA: 201:46    0.26/592.94 MB   82.13 kB/s
19:29 < Mike1> ah well :)
19:30 < javito>  19.08 kB/s
19:30 < javito> damn!
19:30 < Mike1> javito: i said it would be slow
19:30 < daja77> better than nothing, tomorrow you'll can try it
19:30 < javito> better than nothing
19:31 < javito> *bg*
19:31 * Mike1 realizes there is quite a lot of new people around the chan...
19:31 < daja77> yepp, i have only ISDN, you rate is more than mine doubled
19:32 < kasc> re
19:33 < Mike1> hi kasc
19:33 * Mike1 away having lunch ..
19:33 < daja77> welcome back kasc, is your printer running now
19:33 < kasc> daja77: no, i printed the document under windows
19:34 < daja77> printin still sucks on linux
19:34 < kasc> even scanning is easier...
19:34 < daja77> depends
19:35 < kasc> it is here :)
19:35 < kasc> isnt there a way to operate a scanner the other way round? ;)
19:35 < daja77> i had to patch a lot to get it running and the resolution still sucks
19:36 < daja77> nope
19:38 < javito> last time i check gimp-print i got very impressed
19:39 < kasc> gimp doesnt build on my box at all
19:40 < daja77> you can use gimp-print drivers with cups, without having gimp installed
19:41 < kasc> but i need gimp either way
19:42 < javito> ja daja77
19:43 < javito> kasc: why doesnt gimp build on your box?
19:45 < kasc> some library problems... glib AFAIR. I'll investigate it further when i've synched my open projects with the 1.7 cvs tree
19:47 < javito> may be yuou should check the last gnome build..
19:49 < kasc> gtk+ making trouble
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19:55 * javito plays minor threat - in my eyes
20:00 < javito> anyone into tomcat?
20:00 < daja77> suppose you're on the wrong channel
20:02 < javito> mmm?
20:02 < javito> im not gonna build a rock solid gnu/linux system only for home use.. you know..
20:03 < daja77> no, don't care either
20:04 < javito> got oracle, smb-tng , openldap , webservers running on linux
20:04 < daja77> read from my lips: I don't care
20:04 < javito> kewl
20:05 < javito> leave it alone
20:05 < javito> what can i do?
20:05 < javito> you dont care =)
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20:36 < owl> re
20:36 < daja77> welcome back owl
20:39 < owl> thx
20:46 < Mike1> hey Satg
20:46 < owl> hi Mike1
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20:58 < daja77> re :-)
20:59 < Mike1> wb daja77
20:59 < owl> welcome back daja77
20:59 < owl> (or should i say: 'good morning'? :P)
21:02 < daja77> if it pleases you ;)
21:02 < owl> daja77: yup.
21:07 < daja77> owl: ok
21:22 < javito> gn8
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21:23 < daja77> I'll not miss him
21:23 < owl> daja77: why?
21:24 < daja77> owl: got on my nerves before you came
21:24 < owl> hehe.
21:25 < daja77> may he rest in peace >:->
21:25 < owl> daja77: you're evil :P
21:25 < daja77> owl: and drunk ;)
21:26 < owl> uf...
21:26 < owl> *crossing fingers*
21:26 < daja77> I'm not dangerous by any means
21:27 < owl> noo... and the world is flat, isn't it?
21:27 < daja77> No, it is moving in a strange way
21:28 < owl> and still i hope a 'asteroid' will destroy it soon...
21:28 < owl> *vbeg*
21:28 < daja77> the americans will be faster than that
21:29 < owl> daja77: yeah... but i don't think that those 'clever guys' will destroy the whole planet
21:30 < daja77> that depends on the north korean reaction
21:31 < owl> hm. do you think that they will really use 'nuclear bombs' and those bombs will cause a 'nuclear winter' (?)?
21:31 < Mike1> owl: what could you spect? a nuclear summer?
21:31 < owl> Mike1: hum?
21:31 < daja77> not for sure, but have a look at G.W's mad face
21:32 < owl> hmhm. or read articles and get depressed or so
21:32 < daja77> if you want earth to be destroyed, there is no need to get depressed ;)
21:34 < owl> i guess there're some differences in how the earth will be destroyed... if people are dying by cancer or whatever or by a asteroid...
21:34 < daja77> ok, the astoroid is quicker, if it is big enough
21:36 < owl> of course... i guess an asteroid > 150 meters would be large enough... (if i remember the facts i read, correctly) - and the world would begin at something similar to "steinzeit" again... and there would be something like a "2nd chance for the 'human race'"
21:37 < daja77> do they deserve a 2nd chance?
21:37 < owl> sure. everything and everybody deserves a 2nd chance.
21:38 < daja77> ok, I just don't think they'll use it. Anyway, getting an astoroid on your head is the only way to get rocked really ;)
21:38 < owl> hehehe. yeah.
21:39 < daja77> just trying to be ontopic ;)
21:39 < owl> :P
21:39 < daja77> ok, then try something else
21:54 < rxr> re
21:54 < Mike1> moin rxr
21:54 < daja77> hi rxr
21:55 < rxr> hi Mike1
21:55 < Mike1> rxr: long time no typing
21:56 < rxr> hi Mike1
21:56 < rxr> jups IRC is quite expensive ofer a v.90 line ...
21:56 < Mike1> mm... yeah
21:56 < rxr> today the company was finally able to finish the "move" of the DSL connection...
21:57 < Mike1> rxr: so you are finally back?
21:57 < rxr> jups
21:57 < Mike1> Good
21:57 < rxr> but I'll not stay that much time in IRC.
21:58 < Mike1> rxr: developping is much important than ircing :)
21:58 < rxr> The situatin changed, I have a girlfirend an "everyday" job ...
21:58 < owl> hi rxr
21:58 < rxr> hi owl
21:58 < Mike1> rxr: same here :)
21:58 < rxr> Mike1: is huebi back online?
22:00 < Mike1> rxr: not yet
22:00 < Mike1> rxr: he is supposed to get a conection on 10/03/2003
22:01 < Mike1> at least he said that 2 days ago
22:01 < Mike1> rxr: i asume my suspects were right, 2.0 is more likely to be out before 1.6
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22:50 < armijn> re
22:51 < owl> wb armijn
22:52 < armijn> hi owl
22:52 < daja77> hi armijn
22:53 < armijn> hiya
22:53 < daja77> spend more time than yesterday?
22:53 < armijn> ehr?
22:53 < daja77> just asked
22:53 < armijn> I don't get it :)
22:54 < armijn> you mean because I left pretty soon yesterday?
22:54 < daja77> indeed
22:54 < armijn> oh, I usually don't hang around here too long
22:54 < armijn> I just take a few shouts at tsa, tcr and sometimes esden, then I leave again
22:54 < daja77> not much traffic here anyway
22:55 < armijn> that's because I don't come here that much :)
22:56 < daja77> hehe
23:04 < rxr> hi armijn
23:05 < daja77> armijn: please come more often, even it is just to increase traffic
23:06 < armijn> nah, I quit developing for ROCK
23:06 < armijn> even though I'm using it right now here on my Ultra...
23:06 < armijn> the only working build of 1.5.x on Ultra...
23:06 < daja77> I do not developing for rock this time, but talking here is nice
23:06 < armijn> yeah, well, maybe...
23:07 < armijn> but, Red Dwarf will be on TV in a few minutes, so...
23:07 < armijn> I'm off again :)
23:07 < armijn> cu
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