--- Log opened Tue Mar 04 00:00:39 2003
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00:20 < esden> hi all
00:21 < _NULL> hi esden
00:21 < esden> owl ... why this nick ?
00:21 < _NULL> cuz i'm in "best" mood since ever...
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01:26 < kasc> moin
01:26 < _NULL> hi kasc
01:27 < kasc> hi owl :)
01:27 < _NULL> aeh... i'm _NULL
01:28 < esden> hi kasc 
01:28 * -> esden kicks owl
01:29 * _NULL kicks esden "want more? *vbeg*"
01:30 < esden> yes sure ... everytime ;-)
01:30 < _NULL> *hrhr*
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03:44 < fake> evening...
03:48 < fake> ...
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03:55 < eperm> hi
03:55 < fake> hi eperm ;)
03:55 < eperm> :)
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05:40 < Satg> zzzzzzz
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06:35 < Mike1> moin
06:39 < blindcoder> moin
06:40 < Mike1> how are you blindy?
06:41 < blindcoder> still a bit sleepy, but otherwise (almost) fine, thanks. What about you?
06:42 < Mike1> i am ok thx, working late ....
06:42 < blindcoder> bah, working late really sucks... but I'm working early which isn't much better >_<
06:43 < Mike1> haha
06:43 < Mike1> blindcoder: damn sendmail updates will keep me up all night
06:44 < blindcoder> oh...
06:44 < blindcoder> Well, I haven't ever updated sendmail. I was happy that I got it running ONCE, let alone more than once
06:44 < Mike1> blindcoder: you heard about the bug right?
06:44 < blindcoder> not really...
06:45 < Mike1> mm..
06:45 < Mike1> mom
06:45 < Mike1> http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-07.html
06:45 < blindcoder> *click*
06:46 < Mike1> hi SMP btw
06:48 < blindcoder> nice
07:02 < Mike1> blindcoder: da
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09:46 < Tecno_Dud> Greetinz #Rocklinux
09:47 < Tecno_Dud> Error ########################################## Complete
09:48 < Tecno_Dud> Verifing - scanninh
09:48 < Tecno_Dud> No respond --
09:48 < Tecno_Dud> Sencing Private Talk
09:49 < Tecno_Dud> Enabling Private Talk -5t sec
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09:49 < Tecno_Dud> disconnect
09:49 < Tecno_Dud> now running private talk
09:49 < Tecno_Dud> Beep * Beep * Beep **************************************
09:51 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: are you bored?
09:52 < Tecno_Dud> Vertual reality - (ON)
09:52 < Tecno_Dud> Yeah!! sort off :)
09:53 < Tecno_Dud> Mike1 : Help :(
09:53 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: what do you need help with?
09:54 < Tecno_Dud> Me = XP  >> Install rocklinux (problem with - SPACE )
09:55 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: you cannot install rock on XP partition ...
09:55 < Tecno_Dud> ## Have 2 Partitions -------> c: /d:
09:56 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: rock will need different type of partitions
09:56 < Tecno_Dud> -------------------------------------------------@@##!!
09:56 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: have you already read the ROCK Linux Guide
09:56 < Mike1> ?
09:56 < Tecno_Dud> Yeah - (YES)
09:57 < Tecno_Dud> Need help - new to LINUX
09:57 < Mike1> ok tell me whats ur exact problem?
09:57 < Tecno_Dud> fdisk.! right
09:57 < Mike1> blindcoder: alive?
09:57 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: man fdisk :)
09:58 < Tecno_Dud> tried that no responce
09:58 < Mike1> what rock version are you trying to install?
10:00 < Tecno_Dud> >>>----Rock-intel-1.4.0----<<<
10:00 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: that release is _old_
10:00 < Mike1> go to http://iso.rocklinux.de/
10:00 < Mike1> there will be newer isos there
10:00 < Tecno_Dud> alright..!
10:01 < Tecno_Dud> hai u ever used this linux
10:01 < Mike1> BTW using drock would be very usefull for you if you are really a newbie
10:01 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: 1.4.0? yeah 2 years ago
10:02 < Tecno_Dud> ok..!
10:02 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: in drock linux there is cfdisk which is more friendly for newbies :)
10:03 < Tecno_Dud> o
10:03 < Tecno_Dud> what about mandrack
10:03 < Mike1> hahaha
10:03 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: i think you don't wanna hear my opinion about it.
10:03 < Mike1> :)
10:05 < Tecno_Dud> kk..!
10:05 < Tecno_Dud> where is the best place for newbies
10:06 < Tecno_Dud> like from where u learned these stuff when u where a newbies
10:06 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: well, man pages are certainly a very good resource, also the Linux Howtos go to http://www.linuxdocs.org/
10:07 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: IRC is indeed one of the fastest ways to get help
10:07 < Mike1> for general questions regarding Linux its always recomemded to join #linux or #linux-help
10:07 < Tecno_Dud> yeah..! in my installation..! i reached to the ----------> rock linux shell >
10:08 < Mike1> if you are willing to learn about apache or sendmail for exaple you can find nice docs for it in their oficial websites
10:08 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: _GOOD_
10:08 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: now select */*
10:08 < Mike1> then install :)
10:08 < Tecno_Dud> then i used the command df
10:09 < Tecno_Dud> this is what i got............
10:09 < Tecno_Dud> device boot start end  block     id   system
10:09 < Tecno_Dud> p1     *    1     1460 11727418+ c    win95 Fat32 (lba)
10:09 < Tecno_Dud> p2          1461  2482 8209215   f    win95 Ext'd (lba)
10:09 < Tecno_Dud> p5          1461  2482 8209183+  b    win95 fat32
10:10 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: you need ext2fs partition to install rock, not fat32 paritions
10:10 < Tecno_Dud> how do i make that
10:11 < Mike1> run mke2fs to the partition you wish to use
10:11 < Mike1> also remeber you need a swap partition
10:11 < blindcoder> Tacif you're new to Linux then ROCK is definately NOT your Distribution of choice
10:11 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: you really have to read the ROCK Linux Guide again, this is all explained there
10:12 < Mike1> *gg*
10:12 < blindcoder> I'd suggest something like SuSE (www.suse.com), Red Hat (www.redhat.com) or Debian (www.debian.org)
10:12 < Tecno_Dud> now i searched every where for a tutorial on partion making in rocklinux
10:12 < Tecno_Dud> got rubbish
10:12 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: just read the ROCK Linux guide, it will tell you everything you need
10:12 < blindcoder> Tecno_Dud: ROCK is targeted at people who want to build their own distribution as well as people with years of hands-on experience on shell-scripting, kernel-configuration and debugging C-Code
10:13 < Tecno_Dud> ohh..! so i went for a proffetional linux..!
10:14 < Tecno_Dud> ohh.! i did not know ..!
10:14 < blindcoder> Tecno_Dud: you went for a Distribution Build-Kit, and I think hat's not what you are searching for
10:14 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: guess now you know :)
10:14 < Tecno_Dud> yeah ok
10:14 < blindcoder> personally, I started with SuSE some 3 years ago
10:15 < Tecno_Dud> so i should go for that
10:15 < blindcoder> went to debian after a year and then, 6 months ago got here
10:16 < Mike1> blindcoder: never played with slackware?
10:16 < blindcoder> Yes, I would advise you to do so, cause you can learn much of the Basics and some good advanced stuff from it
10:16 < blindcoder> Mike1: nope
10:17 < Tecno_Dud> will u get word prossecor in it too
10:17 < Tecno_Dud> in suse
10:17 < blindcoder> sure
10:18 < blindcoder> SuSE has the complete KDE Desktop Environment which includes KOffice
10:18 < kasc> moin
10:18 < blindcoder> KOffice has word processing, Speadsheet, Presentation et al
10:18 < blindcoder> moin kasc
10:18 < blindcoder> kasc: we need to package more games so clifford will give us our games/ category
10:18 < blindcoder> brb telephone
10:19 < Tecno_Dud> device boot start end  block     id   system
10:19 < Tecno_Dud> p1     *    1     1460 11727418+ c    win95 Fat32 (lba)
10:19 < Tecno_Dud> p2          1461  2482 8209215   f    win95 Ext'd (lba)
10:19 < Tecno_Dud> p5          1461  2482 8209183+  b    win95 fat32
10:19 < kasc> will start looking for further games to add as soon as i wake up...
10:20 < Tecno_Dud> SuSE 8.1 ------> what about this version
10:20 < Tecno_Dud> is that the latest
10:21 < Tecno_Dud> its sayes at the download ------------> SuSE-8.1-LiveEval-i386
10:21 < blindcoder> Tecno_Dud: yes that is the latest
10:21 < Tecno_Dud> SuSE-8.1-LiveEval-i386 -- whats liveeval
10:22 < Tecno_Dud> ((((((((((LiveEval))))))))))))))^^^
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10:26 < Tecno_Dud> Greezinz Room - #rocklinux
10:26 < Tecno_Dud> PLS reply with STATUS
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10:27 < Tecno_Dud> Now engaging Private CHAT >>
10:28 < Tecno_Dud> Pls wait while SCANNING |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| DONE
10:28 < Tecno_Dud> Room = #rocklinux
10:28 < Tecno_Dud> Users = 24
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> PLs wait.. ..
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> ..
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> ..
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> .
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /op /mode # +ooo $$1 $2 $3
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /dop /mode # -ooo $$1 $2 $3
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /j /join #$$1 $2-
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /p /part #
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /n /names #$$1
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /w /whois $$1
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /k /kick # $$1
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /q /query $$1
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /send /dcc send $1 $2
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /chat /dcc chat $1
10:29 < Tecno_Dud> /ping /ctcp $$1 ping
10:30 < Tecno_Dud> ================================================================= NOW EXITTING
10:30 < Tecno_Dud> Beep . beep . beep .. ########################################## DOn
10:31 < Tecno_Dud> Now Checking User - aszlig
10:33 < Tecno_Dud> NO move ment detected ( USER - ASLING )
10:33 < Tecno_Dud> NOW checking user - blindcoder
10:36 < Tecno_Dud> program intrepted
10:36 < Tecno_Dud> #### ERROR ######
10:36 < Tecno_Dud> Pls wait
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10:37 < Tecno_Dud> ......... beep
10:37 < Tecno_Dud> .......beep ................ beep
10:37 < kasc> Tecno_Dud: could you pls STOP THAT CRAP!!!
10:37 < Tecno_Dud> movement detected
10:37 < Tecno_Dud> user (KASC)
10:38 < Tecno_Dud> now switching to vertual reallty
10:38 < Tecno_Dud> Hello..!
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10:39 < Tecno_Dud> beep ..!
10:39 < Tecno_Dud> Hello..!
10:39 < Tecno_Dud> beep................?
10:39 < Tecno_Dud> line coppied ((( <kasc> Tecno_Dud: could you pls STOP THAT CRAP!!! )))
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10:40 < Tecno_Dud> analizing user kasc ................ pls wait
10:41 < Tecno_Dud> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| pls wait
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> ################################ DONE
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> kasc
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> just me
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> ~kasc@p5090B998.dip.t-dialin.net
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> #rocklinux
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> 4mins 4secs
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> none
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> irc.freenode.net http://freenode.net/
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> Normal user
10:42 < Tecno_Dud> STATUS ---- :)
10:42 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: please stop that.
10:43 < Tecno_Dud> humm..!
10:43 < Tecno_Dud> I am feeling board
10:43 < kasc> Never knew an /ignore can be THAT releaving :)
10:43 < Tecno_Dud> :(
10:43 < blindcoder> kasc: hehe :)
10:44 < Tecno_Dud> HAA
10:44 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: its really unpolite to _FLOOD_  a channel in the way you are doing it
10:44 < Tecno_Dud> I am not flooding
10:44 < Mike1> _YES_ you are
10:44 < Tecno_Dud> alright..!
10:45 < Tecno_Dud> but u did not say a word
10:45 < Tecno_Dud> where where u all this time
10:45 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: because we are busy.
10:45 < blindcoder> so what?
10:45 < Tecno_Dud> then say so..!
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10:45 < blindcoder> Do you think we're here all day to answer any question that might pop up?
10:45 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: just ask questions and we will answer when we can.
10:45 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: isn't it obvious?
10:45 < esden> good morning
10:46 < blindcoder> moin esden :)
10:46 < Tecno_Dud> MOVE MENT DETECTED
10:46 < Tecno_Dud> LOLZ..!
10:46 < blindcoder> here we go again *sigh*
10:46 < kasc> moin esden
10:46 < Tecno_Dud> just joken
10:46 < Mike1> esden: FINALLY!
10:47 < esden> hmm ... what do you understand under joking ?
10:47 < esden> flooding the channel is not joking ...
10:47 < Tecno_Dud> i typed those alright
10:47 < Mike1> esden: could you please take care of this damn flodding matter!
10:47 < esden> Mike1: with plesure ...
10:47 < kasc> .oO (And flooding before i have reached my coffine level is even more evil)
10:48 < Tecno_Dud> hai..!
10:48 < esden> kasc: I can understand you ...
10:48 < Mike1> esden: BTW Gott segne dich mein freund
10:48 < Tecno_Dud> kick me baby one more time..!
10:48 < Mike1> esden: this have just gone so far ...
10:48 < Tecno_Dud> lolz
10:48 < esden> Mike1: gott segne dich mein freund
10:48 < blindcoder> esden: for times like this I love bChat's /mute command :)
10:49 < Tecno_Dud> tell me some cool sites to browse
10:49 < Tecno_Dud> so i can leave u allone
10:49 < esden> Tecno_Dud: do I have to ... can you not simply behave like a normal ?
10:49 < Tecno_Dud> alright..! i will
10:49 < Mike1> Tecno_Dud: we are giving you a chance
10:49 < Mike1> else we will need to ban you .
10:49 < Tecno_Dud> UR so Kind
10:49 < esden> blindcoder: I feel like in bchat ;-) *sigh*
10:49 < Tecno_Dud> TANX
10:50 * -> esden feels irony rays
10:50 < Tecno_Dud> chat some intresting stuff
10:51 < esden> Tecno_Dud: only for animating you ? forget it
10:51 < Tecno_Dud> :)
10:51 < Tecno_Dud> hai..! i am 16 here
10:52 < tcr> moin
10:52 < Tecno_Dud> humm..?
10:52 < esden> so go to the kindergarten channel ... if you want animation
10:52 < esden> moin tcr 
10:52 < Tecno_Dud> i need geeks.!
10:52 < Tecno_Dud> check out my site
10:52 < esden> Tecno_Dud: you will not find geeks behaving like a child 
10:53 < tcr> what's the current matter
10:53 < Tecno_Dud> alright..! boss .. give me some work to do..!
10:54 < esden> search you some ... there is enough for everyone in the wide world of the net
10:54 < Mike1> esden: are we really going somewhere with this conversation?
10:54 < esden> Mike1: dunno ... seems not ...
10:54 < Tecno_Dud> alright..!
10:54 < esden> Mike1: but I am not in mood of raw force ;-)
10:55 < Mike1> esden: i would say ur wasting valious coding quality time
10:55 < blindcoder> Mike1: you forgot, esden is a lazy student :)
10:55 < Tecno_Dud> i wanna become like u guys
10:55 < esden> blindcoder: >_< yes ... I do like you too ;-)
10:55 < blindcoder> Tecno_Dud: then you should first try to grow up
10:56 < esden> well said blindcoder ;-)
10:56 < Mike1> blindy oh yeah true he is _LAZY_
10:56 < Tecno_Dud> ok..!
10:56 < tcr> someone interesting in a small library providing exceptions (try{..} catch{..}) for C?
10:56 < Tecno_Dud> grow up..!
10:56 < blindcoder> tcr: try-catch for C??
10:56 < tcr> i'm currently coding it ;)
10:56 < tcr> yea
10:56 < blindcoder> sweet
10:57 < blindcoder> finally I'm able to use pointers without segfaulting! Woo-Hooo! :)
10:57 < esden> tcr: sweet ... but why not simply use C++ ?
10:57 < tcr> http://freebits.de/trash/libexception-0.1-dev.tar.gz
10:57 < blindcoder> tcr: will try to try it as soon as I'm home
10:59 < tcr> well, i'm pissed off code like if (malloc() == NULL) some_error_func();
10:59 < blindcoder> ??? mallco() returning NULL?? erm...
10:59 < tcr> yup
11:00 < tcr> if memory is exhausted
11:00 < blindcoder> uwacha.... maybe I should start checking for something like this, too :/
11:01 < tcr> and with that library, you just encapsulate practically your whole programm with TRY { } CATCH(ERR_ALLOC) { some_error_func(); }
11:01 < esden> tcr: and try { malloc() } catch (MemoryOutException) { some_error_func() } is better ?
11:01 < Tecno_Dud> is this all c++
11:01 < tcr> further you encapsulate malloc in an own function: void* my_malloc(size_t size) { void *new = malloc(size); if (new == NULL) THROW(ERR_ALLOC); return new; }
11:02 < tcr> now you use everywhere my_malloc and all is fine
11:02 < Tecno_Dud> now you use everywhere my_malloc and all is fine
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11:03 < tcr> i only have to write a small draft about how to use my library, and then I can go for 0.1
11:04 < tcr> aim of 1.0 is to have thread support ;)
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11:04 < esden> ha ... that is fine ... 
11:04 < blindcoder> WOOHOOO
11:05 < esden> blindcoder: ;-) ... and that without violance ...
11:05 < blindcoder> sad, but okay :)
11:05 < tcr> yeah, just start some geek talk and all normals will be scared away ;)
11:05 < esden> rofl
11:05 < esden> tcr: well done ;-)
11:07 < blindcoder> brb
11:10 < esden> hmm ... I think I can go back to work now ...
11:10 * -> esden wants to get his wlan card working in his laptop
11:11 * tcr wants a laptop at all
11:11 < blindcoder> esden why doesn't it work?
11:13 < tcr> thanks in advance for testing the library... i'm not 100% sure if it works nearly like c++
11:14 < tcr> i''m going to do some sport
11:14 * Mike1 is going to sleep :)
11:14 < Mike1> n8 all
11:15 < esden> hmm ... the latest kernel is 2.4.20 ... that sounds not good
11:15 < esden> I heard that it has problems with ext3 ?
11:17 < esden> blindcoder: the last time I have tried it it was not working ...
11:17 < esden> it was freezing my laptop
11:19 < tcr> gn8 Mike1
11:20 < kasc> ah, coffine level reached, time to become productive
11:23 < blindcoder> esden: oh...
11:23 < tibit_> Is java working with ROCK 1.7 esp. as a browser plugin?
11:23 < blindcoder> kasc: lucky bastard... I still have not gotten my new coffee-machine @work
11:28 < esden> tcr: no it is not afaik
11:28 < esden> ok ... me needs some food ... 
11:28 < esden> cu l8er boys and girls 
11:29 < tcr> cya
11:30 < kasc> blindcoder: try black tea ;)
11:35 < blindcoder> kasc: that's just not the same >_<
11:36 < tcr> tibit_: i don't think it'll natively, you certainly have to handle that yourself
11:36 < tcr> it'll ne so
11:36 < tcr> be
11:36 < tcr> damn
11:38 < tibit_> tcr: Ok, I'll try if i can get it going
11:38 < tibit_> There are at least gcc-3 compiled j2re available at blackdown.org
11:44 < kasc> blindcoder: it is if you know how to make it ;)
11:45 < blindcoder> tibit_: the Java Plugin is NOT available for systems that use gcc 3.0 or newer
11:45 < tibit_> blindcoder: hmm
11:45 < blindcoder> the RE's are there but the plugin doesn't work (at least I didn't get it to work)
11:46 < blindcoder> kasc: hmm... well, doesn't matter, I have no black tea here >_<
11:46 < kasc> could anyone lend me a hand with an .desc file? I keep getting syntax errors but i cant find any bad syntax...
11:47 < blindcoder> kasc: post it to me by query
11:51 < Satg> Good night people
11:51 < blindcoder> n8
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12:35 < tibit_> Is there any possibility in ROCK-1.7 to continue a Build-Pkg after it failed during compile?
12:36 < blindcoder> no
12:36 < tibit_> hmm, thanx (mozilla just takes so long to compile)
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13:01 < kasc> tibit_: besides fixing the problem? ;)
13:18 < tibit_> kasc: fixing the problem is (as always) a piece of cake ;)
13:21 < kasc> the sweet most one ;)
13:22 < tibit_> hmm, usually I get offered beer not cake for fixing stuff ;)
13:24 < kasc> beer at this time of day? nahh...
13:25 < tibit_> Real men can drink beer any time!
13:27 < kasc> but drinking beer so short after getting up makes one unproductive and automagically reduces the ammount of beer one can earn ;)
13:28 < blindcoder> kasc: you'd be surprised about some code I punshed out while being not-really-drunk-but-almost
13:29 < blindcoder> well, at least _I_ was :)
13:30 < tibit_> although after a few bugs it can get *very* difficult to find even the simpliest bugs
13:30 < kasc> its not being drunk that reduces unproductivity but the ammount of liquid filling your blatter ;)
13:30 < tibit_> s/few bugs/ few beers/
13:30 < blindcoder> kasc: okay, I agree with that :)
13:31 < blindcoder> tibit_: I don't talk bug hunting, but feature creeping :)
13:31 < tibit_> blindcoder: Yeah, that works well with beer :)
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14:53 < tibit_> If anyones interested, I got phoenix-cvs + Java working
14:55 < tibit_> the "trick" was to use the gcc-3.2 compiled java from blackdown.org
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16:23 < ringo30> anyone know anything about mozilla going mad, and maybe a quick fix  ?
16:24 < ringo30> s/quick//
16:36 < _NULL> morning
16:37 < rolla> re
17:15 < ringo30> Is there a way to log all new kernel processes ?
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17:52 < _NULL> hi oliver_
17:52 < oliver_> hi _NULL
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19:14 < TheNight> hi
19:15 < _NULL> hi TheNight
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19:53 < _NULL> hi daja77
19:54 < daja77> hi _NULL
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20:21 < daja77> if anyone needs a quick tip to get rich, just ask me
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20:22 < rudsleep> hi all
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20:22 < daja77> hi ruddur
20:27 < ruddur> hi daja77
20:31 < netrunner_> hi * - the new kid on the rock is there :)
20:32 < netrunner_> how can I repeat only all the chowns for the packages? It finished the build successfully, but since I built as normal user, I was not allowed to chown root a lot of files.
20:32 < _NULL> hi netrunner_, daja77, ruddur
20:32 < ruddur> hi _NULL
20:35 < daja77> wb _NULL, wanna get rich just ask me ;)
20:39 < daja77> I'm cynical today, so don't be afraid
20:39 < _NULL> daja77: well then.
20:40 < _NULL> i'm always cynical. so - what's the rpboelm?
20:40 < daja77> dunno
20:41 < netrunner_> hey, it's carneval monday, cheer up! :)
20:41 < daja77> I think, I'll like tomorrow
20:42 < _NULL> netrunner_: it's carneval. and i _hate_ car4nelval
20:42 < daja77> That's why tomorrow you'll have fun
20:42 < _NULL> not really.. but... don't mind
20:43 < daja77> then I'll reduce it to it will be slightly better than today
20:44 < daja77> netrunner_: why you didn't compile as root?
20:46 < netrunner_> deja77: I do not usually work as root. I compile everything as user, then just make install as root. a bit paranoid, i know, but think, you are downloading from a lot of sources, if somebody has a tampered package?
20:46 < daja77> netrunner_: That's fine for normal use, but when compiling rock it is advised to compile it as root
20:47 < daja77> netrunner_: btw, compile it on an installation that you don't wanna use afterwards might be a solution
20:48 < ruddur> yes and the light is
20:49 < daja77> huh?
20:49 < ruddur> i have a problem with no rc.local in my 1.7.rc3.iso
20:50 < daja77> still, why?
20:50 < ruddur> resolved
20:50 < daja77> well done ;)
20:50 < ruddur> i create an rc.local in /etc/rc.d/init
20:51 < daja77> hmm, thought it has to be in /etc/rc.d
20:51 < ruddur> and ln -s /etc/rc.d/init/rc.local /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/S99local
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20:51 < ruddur> and that's all
20:52 < daja77> ok, fine if it works
20:52 < _NULL> hi reenoo
20:52 < daja77> hi reenoo
20:52 < reenoo> hi
20:52 < ruddur> rc.local is loaded at the end of boot sequance
20:52 < ruddur> rc.local is loaded at the end of boot sequence
20:52 < daja77> I know
20:53 < ruddur> i ask you in two days
20:53 < ruddur> hum
20:53 < ruddur> it's best to discovery alone
20:54 < ruddur> my english it's little poor
20:54 < daja77> no offense meant, but what is your native language
20:54 < ruddur> i'm french belgium
20:55 < daja77> unfortunately, my french is too bad to get better results
20:55 < netrunner_> daja: is it possible to repeat the chown's? do the package have some kind of after-build scripts?
20:55 < ruddur> it's nothing
20:56 < daja77> chown -R $directory
20:56 < ruddur> i learn english with irc and doc of software in 10 years of computer
20:56 < daja77> fine
20:57 < ruddur> thanks
20:58 < daja77> netrunner_: do you just mean chown or chroot?
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21:00 < Dan__> Hi all!
21:01 < daja77> hi Dan__
21:01 < reenoo> hi Dan__
21:01 < ruddur> hi Dan__
21:01 < Dan__> I've a question about Build-Pkg: The manual states this can overwrite configfiles. Are the packages not build in the environment created by stage 0?
21:02 < _NULL> hi Dan__
21:03 < Dan__> only hi-bots online? ;-)
21:03 < netrunner_> daja: as far as I can scroll back, all of the packages say the following: $time Building $package \n reading package config... \n Building ... \n running main build function ... \n chown: Change ownership of '$fullpathtofile: operation not permittet
21:04 < daja77> of course you cannot chmod to root as a user
21:05 < netrunner_> daja: Yes I know. But how can I repeat that process without rebuilding all packages?
21:06 < netrunner_> daja: or shall I just do a chown -R root build/*
21:06 < daja77> well, it seems that the packages couldn't complete their build, so you have to rebuild them anyway
21:07 < daja77> you can try that, no warranty
21:08 < netrunner_> daja: ah - now that you mention it - sorry, you're right, there's only the kernel in the build/root dir.
21:08 < Dan__> no one has an idea about Build-Pkg?
21:08 < netrunner_>  .o( and I was happy that it had finished in just one day )
21:09 < netrunner_> Dan: not me, just walking my first steps on rocks ;)
21:09 < daja77> Dan_ wait a minute just checking
21:10 < Dan__> like me ;) now 1.7 compiles. yesterday it havent workes because my gcc from drock 1.5 was too old. yawn!
21:10 < Dan__> -> to netrunner_
21:13 < Dan__> daja77: thx - because if it really overwrites config, how would you keep your system up to date. sometimes you have to rebuild a updated package at the same machine where it going to be installed.
21:14 < netrunner_> Dan: I think I read something about it only overwrites unmodified files ... but do not trust me :)
21:14 < daja77> Dan__: what config do you mean and what man page did you read?
21:15 < Dan__> netrunner_: quote from doc "Warning: Re-building a package might overwrite or remove config files. If
21:15 < Dan__> you don't want this, use pkg-update with a pre-build binary package."
21:16 < Dan__> netrunner_: this is in the Build-Pkg section of ./scripts/Help
21:19 < daja77> well, iirc the packages are build in a sandbox chroot environment, so I don't see the danger
21:19 < daja77> but anyway if you're afraid of losing config files save them before building
21:21 < Dan__> daja77: maybe this lines was inserted because the danger could be the update and not the build - and it's a bit strange formulated ;)
21:22 < daja77> Dan__: possible, anyway just save needed config file before doing strange things ;)
21:22 < Dan__> another question about the build process: There are the stages 3?-5 to build the system. the different higher stages are there to resolve dependencies. why there is then also a stage 9 where everything is finally rebuild??
21:23 < daja77> afaik it is also for depency resolving, but I'm not a developer, sorry
21:25 < Dan__> but i think the "dependencies" are already in this different stage numbers. so i dont really understand stage 9. ok - maybe we'll reveal the secret one day :)
21:25 < Dan__> daja77: nevertheless: thanks for your help
21:25 < daja77> Dan__: no problem
21:26 < Dan__> by the way: sysconfig-ng has a new download-link. if someone needs a patch i created one. but it's not included at the snapshot until now.
21:27 < daja77> would you please be so kind to post the link here for me
21:27 < Dan__> daja77: in the desc file it has to be
21:28 < Dan__> daja77: [D] 0 syslog-ng-1.5.26.tar.gz http://www.balabit.hu/downloads/syslog-ng/1.5/src/
21:28 < Dan__> daja77: tha /src/ was appended at the website
21:29 < daja77> Dan__: thx
21:29 < Dan__> daja77: with this setting i was able to download the package. dont forget to run ./scripts/Puzzle before download.
21:29 < daja77> ok, it has to wait anything, downloading other packages over ISDN wire, now
21:30 < daja77> s/anything/anyway
21:31 < daja77> gn8 you all
21:31 < Dan__> daja77: i hate waiting: my compile is now at "== 20:43:15 =[5]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 1.7-snapshot]."
21:31 < Dan__> daja77: gn8 too
21:31 < daja77> Dan__: what machine?
21:32 < Dan__> daja77: 1.2GHz Athlon - but slow harddisk because of software-raid
21:33 < daja77> glibc needed more than half an hour on my 1.8Ghz AthlonXP, so I think this is ok
21:34 < Dan__> bye - needs something to eat ;)
21:34 < daja77> Ok, then gn8 again ;)
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22:00 < netrunner_> how do I determin my actual stage? I see pink text and green arrows ...
22:09 < netrunner_> never mind, he started compiling ... something atleast :)
22:10 < netrunner_> I'll be back tomorrow evening with more questions ;)
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22:46 < ruddur> bye all
22:46 < ruddur> see tomorrow
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