--- Log opened Thu Mar 13 00:00:03 2003
--- Day changed Thu Mar 13 2003
00:00 < tsa> i see.
00:00 < Mike1> tsa he is supposed to have conection already, but thats it
00:00 < tsa> just wondering why he didn't answer all the mails on the ML regarding 1.6
00:00 < Mike1> SMP: lets see what Clifford has to say about it, Rene what do you think about adding a different list for patches
00:01 < fake> hi ho
00:01 < Mike1> tsa no time? no conection to fetch the mail?
00:01 < Mike1> hi fake!
00:01 < fake> tsa: you can't answer email without a connection to the internet...
00:01 < tsa> I can!
00:01 < fake> tsa: i know, that's hard to understand, but it's true - i can also not imagine being totally disconnected...
00:01 < tsa> uucp rox.
00:02 < fake> well, internet-cafe's as a last resort
00:02 < tsa> ODMR for sendmail, anyone?
00:02 < tsa> btw...
00:02 * fake away agauin...
00:02 < fake> -u
00:02 < tsa> SMP: you seem to be quite familar with qmail - does it support smtp-auth?
00:03 < SMP> only with a patch.
00:03 < SMP> do you need client or server?
00:03 * tsa needs an MTA to behave like a smtp-auth client..
00:03 < SMP> ahh
00:03 < tsa> currently doing this with sendmail
00:06 < SMP> there's something: http://www.cyberphoria.org/?display=projects_qmail_smtp_auth_send_patch
00:06 < tsa> thx
00:06 * tsa browsing..
00:06 < SMP> personally I use relaying based on TLS certs.
00:06 < dreamind> hm, anybody here familiar with kerberos?
00:07 < dreamind> or at least can point me to some good docs for kerberos + ldap
00:07 < dreamind> currently I'm using ldap for pam and nss
00:07 < dreamind> (and imap and ....)
00:07 < SMP> dreamind: http://www.bayour.com/LDAPv3-HOWTO.html
00:08 < SMP> tsa: you might be better off with nullmailer or so
00:09 < dreamind> SMP: thanks a lot ;)
00:09 < SMP> anyone need some more URLs? ;-O
00:10 < dreamind> hm I wonder if there is some way to share bookmarks with mozilla...
00:10 < dreamind> netscape 4.7 had that feature with ldap, and I had it running about a year ago
00:10 < SMP> dreamind: there isn't. short of copying the file around
00:11 < dreamind> ugh, that doesn't sound nice :(
00:11 < dreamind> hm, I could use some cvs way...
00:11 < SMP> technically, roaming profiles really sucked in Netscape 4
00:11 < dreamind> checkin and checkout the bookmarks.html file ;)
00:11 < dreamind> SMP: yes I know, but they at least worked ;)
00:11 < dreamind> *grin*
00:12 < SMP> dreamind: but look at some projects on http://www.mozdev.org/projects.html ...
00:12 < dreamind> I'll do :)
00:12 < dreamind> btw, another question, is Oroborus nowadays included with Rocklinux?
00:13 < Mike1> dreamind: scrollback, rxr and i had short conversation about it a bit ago
00:13 < tsa> oro-what?
00:13 < rxr> tsa: yet another window manager ...
00:13 < Mike1> tsa: http://www.oroborus.org/
00:14 < tsa> hm...
00:15 < tsa> screenshots look like gnome2 w/ aqua theme.
00:15 < tsa> which part of the screenshots actually show the wm?#
00:15 < dreamind> ah ok, I have no highlight here for oroborus, damn
00:16 < dreamind> just added that ;)
00:17 < dreamind> its not just "YAWM"!
00:17 < rxr> tsa: the border around the windows are the WM ;-)
00:17 < dreamind> the borders? well and screenshots just don't cover the ui.
00:17 < dreamind> they only cover the look, but not the feel.
00:18 < tsa> hm...the look sux. does the feel suck, too? ;)
00:18 < dreamind> tsa: you don't have to use it.
00:18 < dreamind> if you don't like it, then just use something different.
00:19 < tsa> lookd like sawfish
00:19 < rxr> blackbox, windowmaker or waimea are also NYAWM ... ;-)
00:19 < rxr> but Mike1 wanted to check it out ;-)
00:20 < Mike1> rxr we will see
00:20 < Mike1> :)
00:20 < Mike1>  what would we use the oficial RLML for if there was a seperate patch list?
00:20 < dreamind> well and for whats so special with Oroborus, read the website.
00:20 < Mike1> even many of the dicussions beggin after submiting a patch
00:20 < Mike1>  rxr my personal opinion is to keep it as is, even the LKML list works like that, and they _DO_ have a big traffic
00:20 < SMP> Mike1: but LKML is not for users
00:21 < Mike1> SMP: well yeah, you got a point, :)
00:21 < dreamind> nite
00:21 < Mike1> n8 dreamind
00:21 < Mike1> maybe we should have rock-developer list
00:21 < Mike1> or simple use SMP's hackers list
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00:22 < rxr> discussion about changed are different from raw patch content
00:23 < tsa> hm..
00:23 < tsa> can we have options to disable gnome/kde ?
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00:24 < Mike1> tsa: that would be great !
00:25 < tsa> i don't use any of them, and that could save at least a day of the build time..
00:26 < rxr> tsa simply do so in your private config
00:26 < rxr> it is that easy to archive - we do not need a config for everything ...
00:26 < tsa> rm -rf package/g* package/k* ;-)
00:27 < rxr> if you like even this ...
00:27 < rxr> O gnome14
00:27 < rxr> O gnome2
00:27 < rxr> O kde31
00:27 < rxr> in your config would be sufficient ...
00:28 < tsa> O lines do match on directories as well?
00:28 < tsa> nice.
00:28 < tsa> thx.
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00:29 < rxr> and O rene
00:29 < rxr> or so to disable the add-ons lying in the rene repository ....
00:31 < rxr> no they match the line in produced by the Create-PkgList
00:31 < rxr> the repository name is in that line
00:32 < tsa> ah..ok
00:32 < rxr> oh
00:32 < rxr> it is'nt any more ...
00:32 < tsa> .oO( we can disable rene with just one line? ;-))
00:32 * tsa giggles
00:32 < rxr> it is ...
00:34 * rxr blind ...
00:41 < owl> <-- going to die. gn8
00:46 < tsa> have fun.
00:50 < Mike1> ok last patches email sent (at least for today)
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00:55 < Mike1> n8 all
00:55 < SMP> yeah. off, too
00:55 < rxr> cu SMP
00:58 < tsa> cu SMP
01:02 < esden> hmm ... Q is funny but still a bad guy ... in some way at least ;-)
01:03 * rxr off eating and then relaxing watching enterprise ... ;-)
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02:14 < demian> hi
02:15 < demian> does someone knows the results of that real madrid match ? hehe
02:17 < esden> hi demian 
02:17 < esden> ahh earl grey ... wonderfull tea
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15:32 < owl> hi
15:35 < rolla> re owl
15:35 < owl> hi rolla
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16:10 < esden> hmm ...
16:10 < esden> good morning all
16:10 * -> esden away ... *sigh*
16:14 < blindcoder> esden: maybe you should get a "normal" sleep-wake-rhythm
16:14 < blindcoder> :)
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16:18 * blindcoder putting his first draft of patchdonkey aside and waiting for more responses on the ML
16:21 < owl> hi blindcoder
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16:46 < daja77> hi all
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16:48 < owl> hi daja77
16:48 < daja77> hi owl, how are you?
16:48 < owl> daja77: alive, i fear. thx
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17:04 < owl> hmmmmmmm...
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17:04 < owl> wtf is this guy doing?
17:09 < Mike1> ehh Flooding?
17:09 < daja77> hi Mike1
17:09 < Mike1> moin all
17:09 < owl> Mike1: *g* hi
17:09 < Mike1> hi daja77
17:09 < Mike1> hi owly
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17:18 < daja77> hi juanca
17:19 < owl> hi juanca
17:20 < juanca> hi owl
17:20 < juanca> where are you?
17:21 < juanca> hi daja
17:21 < daja77> in the air *g*
17:23 < esden> re hi all
17:23 < daja77> hi esden
17:24 < owl> hi esden
17:26 < esden> hi owl 
17:27 < esden> hmm ... blindcoder is away >_<
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17:37 < Nor> Hi!!
17:37 < esden> hi Nor 
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17:44 < snyke> ESDEN
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17:46 * -> esden be back
17:51 < kasc> moin
17:51 < daja77> moin kasc
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18:06 < tcr> moin all
18:07 < owl> hi tcr
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18:17 < rubenh> [nor] 
18:17 < rubenh> cuak
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19:24 < demian> hi
19:29 < owl> re
19:39 < Mike1> hi debian
19:40 < Mike1> ping ruddur
19:40 < Mike1> ping ruddur
19:40 < Mike1> ping ruddur
19:40 < Mike1> ping ruddur
19:43 < ruddur> hi Mike1
19:43 < esden> re hi all
19:43 < ruddur> hi esden
19:44 < owl> re esden
19:44 < Mike1> ruddur: why did you unsubscribe to the rock mailing lists?
19:44 < Mike1> anything wrong my friend?
19:44 < ruddur> hi own
19:44 < ruddur> no most message
19:44 < Mike1> :((
19:44 < ruddur> if i have a problem i post here
19:45 < ruddur> it's most fast
19:45 < Mike1> oks
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19:46 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
19:46 < esden> ahh blindcoder ...
19:46 < owl> hi blindcoder
19:46 < esden> hi blindcoder 
19:46 < esden> blindcoder: do you really want to write the patch system ...
19:46 < blindcoder> I'm almost done with V0.1
19:46 < Mike1> blindcoder: COOL COOL, let me see!!
19:46 < esden> ohh no ... you are too fast you know that ... (no offence her)
19:46 < esden> e
19:47 < blindcoder> Mike1: hold your horses. there's no client yet, only the server
19:47 < blindcoder> I think I'll have a usable demo at the Weekend
19:47 < blindcoder> esden: maybe, because maybe it's not wanted
19:48 < blindcoder> but at least I have something to do during work
19:48 < ruddur> Mike1 : no problem i'm in rocklinux and i stay to the end
19:48 < esden> blindcoder: ok ... have fun then ;-)
19:48 < blindcoder> esden: thanks :)
19:48 < ruddur> hi blindcoder
19:48 < tcr> first let's wait for an answer of clifford to by mail ;)
19:49 < blindcoder> hi ruddur
19:49 < esden> but you know if it will be taken you will need to write it compleatly new ... with clean design...
19:49 < blindcoder> tcr: indeed :)
19:49 < blindcoder> esden: what do you mean by 'clean' design. beautiful code?
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19:50 < blindcoder> feature creaping?
19:50 < esden> blindcoder: no forget what I said before and I hope that it will be taken
19:51 < esden> I do not want to make your work bad ... excuse me
19:51 < blindcoder> no please tell me
19:51 < blindcoder> so I can save me a complete rewrite
19:51 < tcr> blindcoder: let clifford do the first step. (period)
19:52 < blindcoder> esden: if you want: apollo:/home/blindcoder/public_html/rock
19:52 < tcr> he's sometimes very fussy about such things
19:52 < blindcoder> tcr: sure, I startet at work today, and your(?) mail came when I was going home
19:52 < esden> I would like to take a look ... yes ... but I think that you will make it in the right way ... 
19:52 < esden> tcr: ACK *sigh*
19:53 < blindcoder> esden: "red net em den heissen brei rum"
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19:55 < armijn> re
19:56 < owl> hi armijn
19:56 < armijn> hi owl
19:57 * armijn listening to Soilwork
19:58 * tcr is listening to Eisregen - Meine Tote Russische Freundin
19:59 < tcr> moin arm
19:59 < blindcoder> brb
19:59 * owl np: subway to sally - narben
20:00 < armijn> heh
20:00 < blindcoder> re
20:03 < esden> hi armijn 
20:03 < armijn> hi esden
20:03 < armijn> sigh, been battling OpenBSD today...
20:06 < armijn> wasn't that funny...
20:06 < armijn> and lots of ports outdated...argh
20:07 < daja77> re
20:10 < daja77> armijn: have you won the war against OpenBSD?
20:11 < armijn> nah
20:11 < armijn> gotta update lots of ports...
20:11 < armijn> better get down to do that..sigh
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20:15 < esden> ok ... very interesting
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21:06 < ruddur> hi javito
21:06 < javito> hi everybody
21:06 < javito> wassup
21:08 < daja77> hi ruddur
21:09 < ruddur> hi daja77
21:09 < daja77> bonsoir mon ami ;)
21:10 < ruddur> bonsoir monsieur daja77
21:11 < ruddur> vous allez bien ?
21:11 < Mike1> hola javito
21:12 < daja77> ruddur: oui, merci
21:12 < ruddur> good french
21:13 < daja77> are you sure? I didn't write any serious stuff
21:13 < Mike1> *LOL*
21:14 < javito> hola loco Mike1 como andas..
21:14 < ruddur> for me is not a problem to speak to you in french but i don't know if it is for the others users
21:14 < daja77> Mike1: in french ;)
21:14 < Mike1> javito: che bien y vos?
21:14 < javito> bien por suerte
21:14 < javito> =)
21:14 < tcr> ruddur: pas vraiment... je dois apprendre beaucoup pour l'école etc
21:14 < Mike1> daja77: nice :)
21:15 < ruddur> only french talkers here
21:15 < ruddur> ;)
21:15 < daja77> nope
21:15 < javito> oui
21:15 < Mike1> javito: ruddur are you sure you wanna see whats the dominating language here?
21:15 < Mike1> *g
21:15 < javito> *bg*
21:15 < ruddur> german no ;)
21:15 < daja77> Mike1: sorry, but learning spanish at school, would have been too much
21:16 < Mike1> ruddur: hehe
21:16 < Mike1> daja77: actually we are dominted by german lang here.
21:16 < tcr> I had to choose between spanish and french, decided for french, though, looking at it now, I'd have choosen spanish, I think.
21:16 < Mike1> daja77: voce falas portugues?
21:16 < Mike1> tcr: hehe :)
21:17 < javito> tcr: go for it toby =)
21:17 < ruddur> possiamo parlare italiano
21:17 < daja77> Mike1: nope, try russian, english, french or arab ;)
21:17 < ruddur> linux it's universal
21:17 < javito> io tambene parlo o italiano!
21:17 < Mike1> i speak Linux :)
21:18 < daja77> in every language ;)
21:18 < javito> ja!
21:18 < ruddur> just
21:18 < Mike1> export LANG=li_RK
21:18 < Mike1> or something like that :)
21:19 < daja77> ?
21:19 < Mike1> nevermind
21:19 < Mike1> huebi: alive?
21:21 < ruddur> anybody use satellite receptor : dreambox of dream-multimedia.tv is german
21:21 < ruddur> with linux inside
21:21 < tcr> let's speak binary: 01111001 01101111 01110101 01100001 01110010 01100101 01100100 01110101 01101101 01100010
21:21 < daja77> tcr: what coding did you use?
21:23 < tcr> ascii number into little endian format
21:24 < daja77> hehe, pc user :P
21:26 < tcr> youaredumb ;)
21:27 < daja77> maybe, but on the net it is bigendian ;)
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21:29 < tcr> man 3 byteorder :P
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21:29 < defbla> oh
21:30 < tcr> moin defblah
21:30 < defbla> hi rockers :)
21:30 < defbla> ohne h bitte ;)
21:30 < tcr> blah
21:30 < tcr> :P
21:33 < daja77> tcr: sorry, I fear I got a bot owlish this evening, plz don't mind ;)
21:33 < daja77> a bit, damn
21:34 < defbla> %)
21:34 < tcr> no mind and owl.. hmm that fits roughly
21:34 < defbla> call 0100 ENDIANPOLICE
21:34 < daja77> tcr: sure
21:35 < daja77> defbla: 0800 plz
21:36 < defbla> or 8000 ? %)
21:36 < daja77> don't think so
21:36 < tcr> @(bb|!(bb))
21:37 < daja77> ?
21:37 < tcr> geekied famour quote of shakespeare hamlet ;)
21:37 < daja77> got it
21:37 < tcr> expressed in a bash extended extglob
21:38 < daja77> I'm a bit slow today
21:39 < tcr> for all being amazed: bb == 2b == to be. and: bb or not bb. conclusion: to be or not to be
21:40 < daja77> 2 beer or not 2 beer
21:41 < tcr> hard to answer
21:41 < daja77> I prefer the latter ;)
21:41 < tcr> amazing, me too
21:42 < daja77> cool, two germans on this channel who don't like beer
21:42 < tcr> it's like...
21:43 < tcr> no idea ;)
21:43 < daja77> two russians who don't like vodka
21:44 < tcr> there's even an official vodka memorial day or something like that
21:44 < tcr> guess what russian do on that day ;)
21:44 < daja77> refreshing memories, perhaps
21:45 < tcr> would be reasonable
21:46 < daja77> refreshing memories of parties with friends and vodka, by having a party with friends and vodka
21:46 < esden> hehe ... Q rulez 
21:47 < tcr> it does?
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21:48 < daja77> esden: did he changed the gravity constant again ;)
21:48 < tcr> oh, you're talking about Q, the godlike spinner in star trek
21:48 < esden> hmm ... no Q is stupid ... I think that is its biggest problem ... it is having a lot of power but is not able to understand us ... humans
21:48 < tcr> you have been watching to star trek, esden? where?
21:49 < esden> yes the Q ... that _THING_ in star trek
21:49 < daja77> he might be stupid but he rulez somehow?
21:49 * -> esden is downloading all episodes from a server here ;-)
21:49 < tcr> he's just bored, not a crime, just a sign of imperfection what he actually claims not to have, but apparantly has
21:49 < esden> yes that is right
21:50 < esden> all episodes with it/him are very funny 
21:50 < tcr> it's a very idiosyncratic quirk of him (muhaha what's an expression ;))
21:50 < daja77> you cannot blame him for not understanding us, I didn't either ;)
21:50 * -> esden clicking on dict.leo.org
21:50 < defbla> esden!
21:50 < tcr> he also appeared in two or three episodes of voyager
21:50 < defbla> dict, nor diet? :)
21:51 < defbla> s/nor/not/
21:51 < daja77> Q is always funny to watch
21:51 < defbla> how is the dietlibc port going?
21:51 < esden> hmm ... I am having currently some problems with changes that were made by clifford
21:52 < esden> I am still waiting for an answer from him
21:52 < esden> because I am not able to debug it till now ... because my knowledge about the interna of 1.7 have still some shortcomming
21:52 < esden> s
21:53 < defbla> ic, is he changing the wrappers?
21:53 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-211.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:53 < defbla> hi rene :)
21:53 < tcr> moin rxr
21:53 < esden> tcr: I am looking forward to see Q 
21:53 < esden> moin rxr 
21:54 < tcr> esden: are you leeching TNG episodes?
21:55 < rxr> hi all
21:55 < daja77> hi rxr
21:56 < esden> tcr: yes ... with 200kb/s ... that is fun ;-)
21:56 < Mike1> hey Ren
21:56 < esden> I could double it if I would download from two hosts ...
21:56 < rxr> hi Mike1
21:58 < tcr> esden: well, the most annyoing thing on TNG is wesley crasher and counselor troy... those damn fucking über characters
21:58 < daja77> tcr: full ack
21:58 * rxr votes for counselor troy as most anoying person in TNG, too !!!
21:58 < esden> yes they suck ... that is right
21:59 < daja77> wesley is more annoying indeed
21:59 < tcr> but well, at least TNG has some decent actors. DSP is a amusing pile of crappy amateurs
22:00 < daja77> I would add Riker to that list
22:00 < tcr> i always have to fall in laugh when I see how tautly Sisco stands. no moving, nothing. muhaha that's so funny
22:00 < esden> what is the name of the newest startrek series ?
22:00 < tcr> no Riker is cool
22:00 < tcr> imo
22:00 < esden> that one that plays in the beginning of the travels ?
22:01 < esden> tcr: ack
22:01 < esden> he is ok
22:01 < tcr> well but the collest thing is of course DATA! damn he rulez hairy gorilla ball, all time, ever!
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22:01 < daja77> ds9 is too religious for being Star Trek
22:02 < tcr> i'd rather add to the annoying list dr. polasky
22:02 < esden> yes data is the best character in Star Trek
22:02 < daja77> tcr: ack again
22:02 < tcr> and Lion of course!
22:02 < daja77> ?
22:02 < tcr> (or how she's spelled)
22:02 < tcr> the person being in 10 vorne alltime
22:03 < daja77> Guinan, perhaps
22:03 < rxr> hm
22:03 < tcr> also one of those über sensitive fuckers
22:03 < tcr> yea
22:03 < netrunner_> esden: the title seems to be just 'enterprise'
22:03 < daja77> she was ok
22:03 < esden> hmm ... that can be right
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22:03 < tcr> daja77: yeah, 'cause there aren't a lot episode where she plays a role ;)
22:03 < netrunner_> esden: I have the first 13 here, if you'd like :)
22:04 < esden> here is a subdirectory with that name ...
22:04 < esden> I have to check it out when the 10th episode of TNG is here
22:04 < netrunner_> (but very good quality!)
22:04 < esden> I love this student network !
22:04 < netrunner_> esden: where do you find this stuff?
22:05 < daja77> tcr: she was not über, she was from another dimension and knew everthing, but that doesn't matter
22:05 < esden> I bet that what is here is also very good quality 
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22:05 < Mike1> re
22:05 < esden> I know my "komilitonen"
22:05 < netrunner_> esden: gimme names plz :)
22:05 < esden> re Mike1 
22:06 < tcr> daja77: XD what a difference
22:06 < esden> netrunner_:  Enterprise s1e01 - Broken Bow p1 -en-.avi
22:06 < esden> is it that ?
22:07 < netrunner_> esden: ack.
22:07 < daja77> tcr: the only bad thing was that you couldn't get real alcohol at the bar
22:11 < tcr> geordi is also a cool character
22:11 < tcr> technically brilliant as he is..
22:11 < daja77> and picard of course
22:11 * netrunner_ hates that country style soundtrack
22:12 * SMP *loves* the Enterprise soundtrack ;p
22:12 < netrunner_> smp: have you ever listened to the _new_?
22:12 < SMP> netrunner_: is there an other series by that name?
22:13 < Mike1> hi SMP
22:13 < tcr> netrunner_: SMP means old ass star trek with cpt kirk ;)
22:13 < SMP> tcr: no.
22:14 < daja77> is it really country like? sounds ugly to me
22:14 < SMP> TOS is pure crap
22:14 < tcr> what serie is then called enterprise
22:14 < netrunner_> daja: i do not think it's really country, but it sounds weird.
22:14 < daja77> *the old sh..*
22:15 < SMP> daja77: search for 'Where my heart will take me' by Russell Watson
22:15 < netrunner_> and watching the first few parts I thought it looked like a home-made movie.
22:15 < SMP> tcr: http://www.startrek.com/library/episodes_ent.asp
22:16 < daja77> it plays before cpt kirk, so I guess their equipment was older ;)
22:17 < daja77> where my heart will take me, hmm reminds me of celine dion
22:17 < tcr> Your eyes are full of hate, Forty-one. That's good. Hate keeps a man alive.
22:17 < tcr> It gives him strength.
22:17 < SMP> actually the refrain is slightly different in the soundtrack
22:18 < tcr> great ben hur quote
22:18 < daja77> hehe, http://www.startreksoundtracks.com/sts-performer-watson.html
22:20 < daja77> I guess the lyrics were written by homeland security department
22:21 < daja77> now they destroyed roddenberry's vision of Star Trek completely
22:21 < tcr> star trek music with vocals?
22:22 < tcr> that sounds... quite incostitent
22:22 < daja77> and such horrible lyrics
22:22 < SMP> nah, that song rules
22:22 < SMP> in its own way
22:23 < tcr> it's just not appropriate to star trek. its quality doesnt matter on any account
22:23 < daja77> might be, but roddenberry wanted that religion only plays a minor role
22:24 < daja77> by singing of faith this is just awful
22:24 < SMP> daja77: that song is exactly not religious
22:25 < daja77> Cause I?ve got faith of the heart.
22:25 < daja77> I?m going where my heart will take me.
22:25 < daja77> I?ve got faith to believe. I can do anything.
22:25 < daja77> what do you think it is?
22:25 < SMP> yeah. that's faith in oneself. nothing else. no higher force.
22:25 < tcr> faith does not necessarily means anything related to religion though
22:26 < daja77> you might be right, but ds9 already proofed wrong in that way
22:26 < tcr> and it's common to talk also about faith when talkin about pioneers
22:27 < daja77> in times of american nationalism I do not trust such things
22:29 < SMP> yes, together with the intro movie there's quite a bit of patriotism in it
22:30 < daja77> I hope it is only a bit
22:30 < tcr> the captain just looks like a typical patriotic american
22:30 < tcr> thought that before this discussion has arised
22:30 < tcr> had
22:31 < SMP> sigh.
22:31 < tcr> it's so
22:32 < daja77> I'm downloading the song now...
22:32 < daja77> well, Star Trek got worse and worse since roddenberry died
22:32 < tcr> I don't assume this was a reason why he was choosen, I just recognized and stated it
22:34 < daja77> those suckers wanted to prevent the download
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22:37 * daja77 np: faithofheart.mp3
22:38 < daja77> it finished, *this is disgusting*
22:39 < SMP> nah, trash culture. gorgeous
22:39 < daja77> it is not country, but a rod steward imitation
22:40 < daja77> I guess they had no money to pay an orchestra this time *g*
22:43 < tcr> gn8 all
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22:44 < daja77> SMP: how is the rest of the series?
22:45 < SMP> well I think it is the best so far
22:46 < SMP> no boring tech gadgets like in TNG
22:46 < SMP> they started doing stupid mistakes lately
22:46 < daja77> like?
22:46 < SMP> like all aliens speaking English and knowing what 'counter clockwise' means
22:47 < SMP> in certain situations. not in every episode
22:48 < daja77> it is made for today's viewers, so they lowered the level
22:49 < daja77> btw, do like the latest Star Trek movie?
22:50 < daja77> s/do like/do you like/g
22:50 < SMP> didn't see it. I don't like ST movies in general
22:50 < daja77> you should keep it this way, cause this movie is the worst
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22:54 < daja77> gn8 you all
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23:28 < RaD|Tz> lets work
23:28 < RaD|Tz> I've downloaded de ISO image of RockLinux
23:28 < RaD|Tz> the installation is the same like other distros?
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23:37 < rxr> rtfm ...
23:41 < Mike1> hehe :))
23:44 < ringo30> glad I just downloaded rootlinux ;-)
23:44 < Mike1> :)
23:44 < ringo30> They are so friendly down there  ;-)
23:45 < Mike1> ringo30: does it mean aren't?
23:45 < Mike1> we aren't*
23:45 < ringo30> I know thats why I stick here.
23:47 < Mike1> good :)
23:49 < esden> ohh the poor guy he got no help here ... 
23:50 < Mike1> esden: don't look at me i was away on different workspace :)
23:50 < esden> I was also away ...
23:51 < Mike1> so its ringo30's fault
23:51 < Mike1> *bveg*
23:51 < esden> yes it is ringo30's fault ... and the guy had no endurance
23:52 < esden> otherwise he would get at least an unfrierdly "rtfm" comment ;-)
23:53 < Mike1> esden: why unfriendly ? its the answer to the 98% of the newbies questions
23:53 < esden> hmm ... but they always feel bad getting such an answer
23:54 < esden> they hope to get everything chewed 
23:54 < Mike1> or something "rtfm, then try to do it yourself, if fails come back with specific questions, we will give you yet anothe rmanual to read " >:)
23:54 < esden> hmm that is a better answer, yes
23:54 < Mike1> esden: if we give them the whole solution there will be no challenge or learning involved, so whats the point?
23:56 < esden> hmm ... yes *schrug*
23:56 < esden> -c
23:56 < Mike1> hehe :)
23:57 < Mike1> esden: you really will not forget that word, will you ?
23:58 < esden> *GG*
23:58 < esden> I like that word ... even if it is only the short version of "shrug shoulders"
23:58 < Mike1> lol
23:59 < esden> I left me some artistic freedom to shorten it
23:59 < Mike1> would owl like the word s-hug ?
23:59 < Mike1> s = super
23:59 < Mike1> esden: i have noticed
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