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00:01 < rxr_> hi all
00:03 < Mike1> hi rxr_ :)
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00:56 < A-Tui> hola
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01:05 < Mike1> hola A-Tui
01:06 < Mike1> A-Tui: got my mail?
01:06 < A-Tui> no, i dont fetch my mail yet
01:07 < Mike1> do so :)
01:07 < A-Tui> ok, im going to the other machine to fecth it
01:07 < Mike1> good :)
01:07 < A-Tui> and after i have one question about install new packages
01:07 < A-Tui> see you later, in 5 minutes
01:08 < Mike1> oks
01:10 < A-Tui> re
01:11 < A-Tui> i read it
01:11 < Mike1> good
01:11 < A-Tui> i have 1 doc translate and the middle of other
01:11 < A-Tui> this night i hope to finish
01:12 < Mike1> A-Tui: excellent :)
01:13 < A-Tui> i wan install windowmaker, where i must put desc file?
01:14 < Mike1> 0_o
01:15 < Mike1> A-Tui: if you are using 1.7 its already there
01:15 < A-Tui> mmm no
01:15 < A-Tui> its for the other build
01:15 < Mike1> 1.5 ?
01:15 < A-Tui> i build 1.6pre3
01:15 < Mike1> ah
01:15 < A-Tui> and its operative
01:16 < A-Tui> but now i havent a window manager
01:16 < Mike1> A-Tui: you can find the windomaker stuff for 1.6.x in ext-config/windowmaker/
01:16 < A-Tui> yes, i found there
01:17 < A-Tui> mmmm i see, ok, im going to try to build it
01:17 < Mike1> good luck :)
01:18 < A-Tui> tnx :)
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08:36 < fooblah> hello
08:37 < blindcoder> moin
08:39 < fooblah> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc23.out
08:39 < fooblah> there is no /var/adm/logs
08:40 < fooblah> hmm...
08:40 < blindcoder> but there is $root/varr/adm/logs
08:40 < blindcoder> you ran `./scripts/Build-Target`?
08:40 < fooblah> $root = / ?
08:40 < fooblah> yes
08:41 < blindcoder> the it's /path/to/rock-src/build/*/root/var/adm/logs
08:41 < fooblah> ahh i c :)
09:09 < owl> morgaehn
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09:11 < owl> re
09:12 < blindcoder> moin owl
09:12 < owl> hi blindy
09:13 < fooblah> owl hello
09:14 < owl> hi fooblah
09:17 < fooblah> if i make ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg bootdisk, are there any gcc options like march=i686?
09:20 < blindcoder> fooblah: they don't appear in the logs
09:20 < fooblah> hmm... ok
09:20 < blindcoder> they are issued by the gcc_wrapper.
09:21 < blindcoder> there was  a thread about that on the mailinglist recently and I think clifford wanted ho add hdis to the docs
09:21 < fooblah> i think thats a good idea... its very strange if u tail the logs and there are no gcc options
09:22 < blindcoder> yes...
09:29 < kasc> moin
09:29 < fooblah> kasc hello
09:30 < owl> hi kasc
09:30 < blindcoder> hi kasc
09:32 * owl makes herselve a coffee with poison. someone else want one?
09:32 * blindcoder raises hand
09:34 < owl> ok blindy *giving you a cup of poisoned coffee*
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09:34 < tcr> moin all
09:34 < owl> ah my special friend is there...
09:38 < blindcoder> moin tcr
10:22 < fake> blindcoder: nwn linux client public beta is out
10:23 < owl> still NWN-fever?
10:24 < blindcoder> fake: I don't have nwn
10:53 < fooblah> hmm...
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11:46 < fooblah> what does this mean: -job<stage> ?
11:49 < blindcoder> i'm not sure...
11:49 < blindcoder> maybe which stage the compile is
11:53 < blindcoder> maybe which stage the compile is
11:54 < blindcoder> oops
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12:09 < tcr> re!
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12:34 < daja77> hi all
12:38 < ringo30> hi deja77
12:38 < owl> hi daja77
12:42 < daja77> hi ringo, owl
12:42 < daja77> anybody knows how to compile a bison/flex program with automake/autoconf?
12:47 * daja77 thought that nobody wants to do such crap
12:54 < daja77> owl: awake?
12:56 < owl> daja77: yes, something similar to this
12:57 < daja77> you slept over anchoras, yesterday, right?
12:57 < owl> yeah. as always
12:57 < daja77> but calling me a whimp *g*
12:58 < owl> ...
12:59 < daja77> never mind
13:00 < owl> 3 hours remaining... yipeeeh!
13:00 < daja77> huh?
13:01 < owl> 3 hours to death... aeh. i meant end of work for this week! then i can sleep again - in the train or so
13:01 < daja77> try to sleep, that helps
13:02 < owl> helping with what?
13:02 < fooblah> hmm...
13:02 < daja77> helping not to be tired
13:03 < owl> i'm not tired.
13:05 < daja77> good
13:06 < fooblah> *zZzz...*
13:07 < owl> fooblah: eh. you're always sleeping and/or tired... don't complain about me :P
13:07 < fooblah> hehe
13:07 < fooblah> don't lie :)
13:07 < owl> i don't :P
13:07 < fooblah> hmm... i'm just a little bit tired...
13:08 < owl> a bit - *lol*
13:08 < fooblah> hehe
13:09 < fooblah> pizza vs mcdonalds
13:10 < owl> hmmm... pizza... frutti di mare please ;)
13:10 < daja77> yeah, frutti di mare sounds great, get one for me plz
13:11 < owl> *g* /me forgot her moneybox at home... (incl. ec-card...) --> no food for me, today
13:11 < owl> *cries*
13:12 < fooblah> hmm...
13:12 * daja77 hands over 10 ¤ to owl
13:12 < fooblah> i'm "vegetarier"
13:12 < owl> thx. and now in real money, please, daja77 :P
13:13 < daja77> fooblah: oh no
13:13 < owl> "jedem das seine, mir das meiste" *vbeg*
13:13 < fooblah> oh yes
13:13 < fooblah> owl lol
13:13 < daja77> owl: care a bit more for your own stuff, babe
13:14 < owl> *grrrr*
13:14 < fooblah> i get only 400euro... zivi's are so poor... *gg*
13:15 < fooblah> tft, i'm coming :)
13:15 < daja77> owl: don't get angry, shit happens
13:15 < owl> gnaaaa. stop this, fooblah!
13:15 < fooblah> owl hehe
13:15 < fooblah> muhahah :)
13:15 < owl> ...always
13:16 < fooblah> and i work... no i don't work... i chill in my work :)
13:16 < owl> fooblah: i guess you want to be shot or so?
13:16 < fooblah> duron 850, 256mb ram, how long will it take to build a rocklinux bootable iso?
13:16 < daja77> 2-3 days
13:16 < fooblah> owl *hrhr* do u have a gun? :)
13:16 < fooblah> daja77 =?"$
13:17 < fooblah> hmm...
13:17 < owl> fooblah: sure. in my sweetest dreams
13:17 < daja77> fooblah: want did you want to express
13:17 < fooblah> i began yesterday morning, in the evening it was completed with a few errors
13:17 < daja77> owl: don't hesitate, shoot him
13:17 < fooblah> so it can't take so long
13:17 < fooblah> help, they want to kill me *gg*
13:18 < daja77> hehe, you are looking for help, *here*
13:18 < owl> that's cruel fscking life...
13:19 < owl> use visual studio.NET and upgrade your PC...
13:20 < daja77> *gnaarf*
13:20 < owl> pardon?
13:21 < daja77> why should I ugrade to run such crap?
13:22 < owl> if your fscking company forces you to use that crap?!
13:22 < daja77> they don't
13:22 < owl> then you're a lucky person
13:23 < daja77> indeed
13:23 < owl> yipeeh! project finished!
13:23 < daja77> if don't count that autoconf crap I have to do now
13:23 < daja77> owl: congrats
13:23 < owl> tests not failed. :))) *jumping around*
13:24 < owl> thx
13:24 < daja77> fooblah: still alive?
13:24 < owl> *counting time in seconds until 15:45 o'clock*
13:24 < fooblah> daja77 no
13:24 < daja77> oh soryy
13:24 < fooblah> gg*
13:25 < fooblah> it's all your fault
13:25 < daja77> I have no gun
13:25 < fooblah> but u said to owl she has to shoot me
13:26 < daja77> she*d done it anyway, I was just fed up with your pleas
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13:26 < daja77> hi Ge0rG
13:26 < fooblah> doors - ghost song *chill*
13:26 < Ge0rG> good morning
13:27 < fooblah> Ge0rG morning
13:27 < owl> hi Ge0rG
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13:29 < fooblah> is anybody here who likes rock'n roll like jimi hendrix, the doors, ten years after etc.?
13:30 < owl> <-- not
13:30 < fooblah> hmm...
13:31 < daja77> fooblah: dunno
13:31 < daja77> owl: it is too optimistic, right?
13:32 < owl> daja77: jup
13:32 < owl> np: goethes erben - der spiegel, once again
13:33 < daja77> daja77's quick poll: who hates autoconf?
13:33 < fooblah> i'm hunting for food... l8r :)
13:34 < owl> fooblah: for me, too, please
13:34 < daja77> fooblah: hunting with a gun, hehe
13:35 < owl> gnaaaa... ancoras is soooo slow...
13:35 < owl> (at least with the current build) ;)
13:36 < daja77> it is an intel
13:36 < owl> an amd is not better imho.
13:37 < daja77> of course
13:37 < daja77> amd will rule out intel with their hammer processors
13:37 < owl> but - aehm - if you want to give me the money for a notebook with SPARC or so...
13:37 < daja77> *rofl*
13:39 < daja77> maybe you can buy a powerbook
13:40 < owl> aeh. mac... go away.
13:40 < owl> and: nope. i won't buy another machine...
13:41 < daja77> well, the old iMac of a friend did a complete X compile within 3 hours
13:41 < owl> normaly ancoras is fast enough (1.8 ghz, p4 mobile, 512 mb ram, 40 gb hd and so)
13:41 < daja77> that is the problem with intel
13:42 < daja77> I have an Athlon 1800+, which means equivalent to the speed of a Pentium 4 1800 Mhz
13:42 < daja77> but the real clock of the amd is just 1200 Mhz
13:44 < daja77> summary you have 500Mhz out for nothing but heat
13:45 < owl> ...
13:45 < daja77> nothing to add, ok
13:48 < owl> nope. just: there's no sense to discuss...
13:48 < daja77> So I have won
13:49 < owl> if there's no discussion, then there's no winner or loser
13:49 < daja77> owl: you have no pro pentium arguments, that's not my fault
13:50 < owl> as i said before: there's no sense to discuss
13:50 < blindcoder> hmm... IIRC the AMDs burnt themselves at TUM while doing neuronal networks)correct translation?)
13:50 < blindcoder> the Intels worked just fine...
13:51 < daja77> never mind, have fun with ancoras but stop complaining about it
13:51 < owl> no, no, no
13:51 < daja77> blindcoder: they haet is equivalent with amd or intel, now
13:51 < daja77> heat
13:51 < daja77> owl: please stop sobbing
13:52 < daja77> blindcoder: the chipsets for both are broken in the same way too
13:52 < owl> i do what i want *ARGH*
13:52 < blindcoder> daja77: let her bitch about her processor, or do you want her to bitch about you? *g*
13:53 < blindcoder> daja77: I don't know, I'm not into hardware.
13:53 < blindcoder> daja77: esden told me about that TUM thing
13:54 < daja77> blindcoder: I'll let her the beloved notebook, don't want it anyway
13:55 < daja77> blindcoder: I'm looking forward to the 64Bit Hammer Processor coming out this year
13:55 < blindcoder> daja77: why? do you have that much RAM?
13:56 < blindcoder> daja77: as I understood it, 64Bit doesn't much more than allow access to more memory...
13:56 < daja77> huh, I have 1 GB RAM now, will that be sufficient
13:57 < daja77> no they are outperforming intel processors at a rate
13:57 < daja77> they are more alpha like
13:57 < blindcoder> hmm... I'm perfectly fine with my P4 1.6GHz
13:57 < blindcoder> 1.8GHz
13:57 < blindcoder> I rarely use all of its power
13:58 < daja77> I'd like to have a Hammer SMP Machine to play with
13:58 < blindcoder> what would you do with it?
13:58 < blindcoder> run SETI@Home?
13:58 < owl> playing with it...
13:58 < blindcoder> dnetc?
13:58 < blindcoder> fuck it?
13:58 < daja77> owl: damn right
13:58 < blindcoder> or what?
13:59 < owl> fscking and playing with it, blindcoder
13:59 < daja77> blindcoder: I'm doing parallel programming at university
13:59 < daja77> it would be fun doing it at home
13:59 < blindcoder> what do you program?
14:00 < blindcoder> number cruncher?
14:00 < blindcoder> decision finding?
14:00 < daja77> owl: I'm not in love with my computer as you are
14:00 < blindcoder> path prediction?
14:00 < daja77> blindcoder: scientific computing
14:00 < blindcoder> brb
14:01 < daja77> owl: at least I do not sleep with them
14:01 < owl> *g*
14:01 < owl> why not? it's fun...
14:02 < owl> a computer is better than a human... and - at least ancoras is warm enough to hug, it... ;) especially if you run a rock-build... :P
14:02 < daja77> dunno, didn't feel like it
14:02 < daja77> but the noise
14:03 < owl> ah. just use music instead of this
14:03 < owl> and a "schnarchender" man makes more noise than a cooler
14:03 < blindcoder> snoring :)
14:03 < blindcoder> daja77: yes, what kind. I'm interested in programming :)
14:03 < owl> thx
14:04 < daja77> owl: mein schnarchen hör ich ja nicht *g*
14:05 < daja77> blindcoder: at the moment we did some algorithms like gauss-seidel and measured speed up and stuff
14:05 < owl> daja77: :P
14:06 < blindcoder> daja77: hmm.. I'd have to read up on gauss-seidel... but it sounds like you do some heavy arithmetics, less memory things...
14:06 < daja77> that's right
14:07 < daja77> for now I'm doing this on the CliC http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/urz/anwendungen/CLIC/
14:09 < daja77> maybe I can start implementing an astronomy algorithm on a SPARC SMP Cluster using Taskpools
14:09 < blindcoder> yes, that's a nice cluster
14:10 < daja77> it is a bit slow (Pentium III and only 100Mbit Connections) but it is ok
14:10 < blindcoder> well, you can't have everything
14:10 < daja77> I heard that they are planning to build a new one
14:10 < blindcoder> if it's too slow, then get yourself a better one
14:10 < blindcoder> and don't bitch about it
14:11 < daja77> Oh they did a nice job setting the thing, you can even access your homedir on the cluster
14:11 < daja77> setting up
14:11 < blindcoder> I think that was exactly what you wanted owl not to do, wasn't it?
14:11 < daja77> playing with a cluster?
14:12 < blindcoder> bitching about hardware
14:13 * blindcoder now installing a dual Xeon 2GHz machine with 4 GB RAM... bbl
14:13 < daja77> oh I'm not bitching, everybody know, that we need a new one, it is a nice machine anyway
14:13 < daja77> you lucky bastard
14:13 < blindcoder> daja77: wait till you see my monitor :)
14:14 < blindcoder> daja77: http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_24_Premium_CRT.html
14:15 < daja77> sun monitors are nice indeed
14:15 < blindcoder> yes, they are :)
14:15 < daja77> I have one connected to the machine we use to control the machine tool
14:16 < blindcoder> hmm...
14:17 < blindcoder> I have 5 standing around at home
14:17 < blindcoder> unused like the SGI one
14:17 < daja77> do you need all of them?
14:18 < blindcoder> none at the moment
14:18 < blindcoder> the SGI needs composite sync (which neither my gfxcard nor my gfx coble supports)
14:18 < blindcoder> and the SUNs usually connected to the moniters are currently offline because I have nno room
14:18 < daja77> hmmm
14:20 * daja77 is cursing that autoconf/automake bunch for not documentating anything important
14:20 < blindcoder> I _LOVE_ this machine
14:21 < blindcoder> I think I'll abuse it for a ROCK build...
14:21 < owl> which one?
14:21 < daja77> cluster build
14:21 < blindcoder> the dual Xeon 2GHz
14:21 < owl> uff
14:21 < blindcoder> daja77: sure. 2 processors == cluster
14:21 < blindcoder> owl: 4 GB of RAM
14:21 < owl> NO!
14:21 < blindcoder> and all that thi machine will do is hosting three tomcats...
14:22 < daja77> bah, that java crap sucks
14:22 < blindcoder> daja77: indeed. we have nothing but problems with it
14:23 < daja77> it is even worse than php
14:23 < blindcoder> actually, I like PHP. I prefer perl, though
14:23 < blindcoder> real    0m39.463s
14:23 < blindcoder> user    0m27.150s
14:23 < blindcoder> sys     0m6.620s
14:23 < blindcoder> compiling Apache with SSL
14:24 < blindcoder> THAT would be a machine for cliffords reference builds :D
14:24 < daja77> I think I'll write cgis in C next time
14:24 < daja77> blindcoder: full ack
14:25 < blindcoder> daja77: hmm... never tried cgis in C... I have seen some horrible, horrible things being done with .exe in cgi-directories on a Win2k server
14:25 < blindcoder> (and even worse in db4web >_<)
14:25 < daja77> I had to do this for creating a web based configuration for a sercos device (on Linux)
14:26 < daja77> Win2k != Server
14:27 < daja77> well, C cgis compiled with dietlibc could be fun
14:27 < blindcoder> daja77: actually, show me how to use ASP with Access backends on Linux, and I'll gladly yank the plug out of our Win2k server over the weekend
14:28 < daja77> man asp2php
14:28 < blindcoder> Access backends... remember?
14:28 < blindcoder> also, our customers want ASP, not PHP
14:29 < daja77> thought you could access the Access via ODBC with php
14:29 < blindcoder> and yes I know that there is an apache plugin for ASP, which doesn't have the full functionality yet, so I can't deploy it
14:29 < blindcoder> I'd be the first in line to kill the Win2k servers
14:29 < blindcoder> I even managed to get Linux onto our SUN E10k
14:30 < daja77> dump access to a readable format and feed it to a postgreSQL
14:30 < daja77> blindcoder: congrats, for removing Slowlartus
14:30 < blindcoder> daja77: is there somehing that looks like MS Access, works like MS Access and is as easy as MS Access to give our customers? (Windows Clients)
14:31 < daja77> hmm, I thought Ximian had something like this
14:31 < blindcoder> and asp2php must work perfectly in converting the Access commands to PHP commands (okay, I can implement that part myself)
14:32 < blindcoder> `echo checkout Ximian for a MS Access replacement >>~/TODO`
14:32 < blindcoder> thanks :)
14:33 < daja77> try reading http://www.itworld.com/nl/lnx_desktop/08152002/
14:36 < daja77> sorry, looked up ximian, they don't have such a thing advertised, maybe ask them per mail
14:36 < blindcoder> daja77: except the list of databases that was not news to me, thanks anyways
14:37 < blindcoder> daja77: okay, I'll do. thanks
14:37 < blindcoder> brb
14:41 < blindcoder> okay
14:41 < daja77> I have an idea about your problem
14:41 < blindcoder> hm?
14:42 < daja77> use a postres database and use ms access just as frontend
14:42 < blindcoder> is that possible?
14:43 < daja77> I read that some guys in the real world are doing right this
14:44 < blindcoder> hmm...
14:44 < blindcoder> have to read up on this
14:45 < daja77> http://www.developer.com/open/article.php/631251
14:46 < daja77> you could even use .NET with it *giggle*
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14:46 < rolla> re
14:46 < daja77> hi alphaman rolla ;)
14:47 < rolla> re DDR boy
14:47 < owl> hi rolla
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14:47 < rolla> re owl
14:47 < daja77> rolla: this is unfair
14:47 < rolla> warum?
14:48 < daja77> dunno, just don't like it
14:49 < daja77> blindcoder: just bookmark http://techdocs.postgresql.org/
14:51 < blindcoder> thanks, I'll have a look at it on monday
14:51 < blindcoder> cause I'm going home now :)
14:51 < blindcoder> bye
14:51 < daja77> bye
14:51 < owl> bye blindcoder
14:52 < owl> gnaaaa... stupid amd-stuff... 100 % when idling
14:52 < daja77> owl: you have to wait less than an hour now ;)
14:52 < owl> daja77: yeah.
14:52 < daja77> what do you mean?
14:52 < owl> my machine at work...
14:53 < daja77> it is windows idling
14:53 < owl> 100 % of CPU used... and used RAM increasing... with 2 putty-sessions, visual studio.net and winamp
14:54 < daja77> what windoze is it?
14:55 < owl> win 2k
14:56 < daja77> I would have bet all my money on this *g*
14:59 < owl> why?
14:59 < daja77> it is so typical in such environment, that makes it so easy to win
15:01 < daja77> it can be deduced by rememering that there is no win xp sever version out yet and the .NET stuff is too new for NT4
15:01 < daja77> but let's stop talking about that now, it is bad for karma
15:02 < daja77> rolla: what time is it in Missouri now?
15:06 < rolla> y
15:06 < rolla> 806
15:09 < rolla> daja77: http://joel.maisenhelder.net/server_room.shtml
15:13 < daja77> rolla: nice, you can even see the rock login screen
15:13 < fooblah> hmm... i'm infected
15:13 < rolla> yeah
15:14 < daja77> rolla: I'm just surfing a bit over your page
15:16 < rolla> daja77: :) it is a small page
15:17 < daja77> *g* i finished
15:18 < rolla> daja77: I have a 6 month old son so I have not much time to work on it
15:18 < daja77> doesn't matter, nice pictures of your son
15:18 < rolla> it is more of a place to put pictures :)
15:18 < rolla> danke
15:18 < daja77> I didn't put up much stuff on my page either
15:19 < rolla> what is your pages URL?
15:19 < daja77> http://lospalmos.net ;)
15:21 < rolla> 404: Document not found
15:22 < rolla>  404: Dokument nicht gefunden
15:23 < daja77> ooops, did the guys at university messed it up, just checking, thx
15:24 < rolla> :)
15:25 < daja77> it is messed up for other students accounts, too, sending a bug report, thx again
15:27 < rolla> daja77: what are you studying at university?
15:27 < daja77> computer science
15:28 < rolla> :)
15:29 < daja77> hmm, they've announced a maintainance for today between 6-7 am
15:29 < rolla> :P
15:30 < daja77> rolla: huh?
15:30 < rolla> nothing
15:30 < daja77> ok
15:40 < daja77> bug report is out and accepted from the bug report system
15:42 < daja77> damn it is friday, if they guys are at home already it will be fixed on monday, duh
15:43 < daja77> owl: do you leave now?
15:43 < owl> nope... have to finish something first...(getting sources and starting compile)
15:44 < daja77> what a pity
15:45 < owl> :P
15:46 < daja77> *lalala*
15:47 < Mike1> *lelele*
15:47 < Mike1> moin all
15:47 < kasc> could anyone with a running linux pls do me a favor?
15:48 < Mike1> kasc: sure
15:48 < kasc> i need the scancode for scroll lock and print
15:48 < daja77> welcome Mike1
15:48 < daja77> hi kasc
15:48 < kasc> (reassembling the keyboard after cleaning can be quite difficult ;)
15:49 < kasc> hi daja77
15:49 < daja77> if help me and tell me where I find this stuff
15:52 < owl> hi Mike1
15:55 < daja77> Mike1: have you ever compiled a bison/flex based app with autoconf/automake?
15:57 < ringo30> kasc: showkey -s gives 0x46 0xc6
15:58 < owl> <-- off.
15:59 < owl> cya
15:59 < kasc> for which key?
15:59 < daja77> owl: bye
15:59 < ringo30> kasc: scoll lock
16:00 < kasc> and for print?
16:02 < kasc> (or pause)
16:03 < ringo30> printscrn: 0xe0 0x2a 0xe0 0x37 0xe0 0xb7 0xe0 0xaa
16:05 < ringo30> pasue: 0xe1 0x1d 0x45 0xe1 0x9d 0xc5
16:06 < kasc> thx a lot :)
16:07 < ringo30> no probs
16:07 < Mike1> daja77: i guess, why?
16:08 < daja77> it fucks up with the package I converted to autoconf here
16:09 < Mike1> mm...
16:10 < daja77> well, I have a .y and a .l file for processing
16:11 < daja77> the damn script starts processing the .l file which depends on a .h file which is generated by bison processing the .y file *aargh*
16:11 < fooblah> hmm...
16:12 < daja77> I don't know how to influence the build order
16:12 < Mike1> daja77: would have too like 1/2 a bit deeper on this, and i cannot do so atm
16:13 < daja77> ok let's do it on monday then?
16:13 < Mike1> i have time later as well :)
16:13 < Mike1> or then on monday yeah
16:13 < Mike1> will be around tomorrow too :)
16:14 < daja77> how much later, it is afternoon already, and I want to leave today ;)
16:14 < Mike1> daja77: afternoon
16:14 < Mike1> mike@odin:~ > date
16:14 < Mike1> Fri Mar 21 09:24:33 CST 2003
16:14 < Mike1> *ggg*
16:15 < daja77> *g* I know that you just got out of bed
16:15 < Mike1> yeah :) isn't it great :)
16:15 < daja77> definitely
16:16 < daja77> unfortunately I cannot go to work on saturdays
16:16 < Mike1> owl: left the bed a bit earlier, but thats ok
16:16 < daja77> she's on the way home
16:16 < Mike1> daja77: well we can get it done on monday then
16:16 < Mike1> daja77: you know i always hang around :)
16:17 < daja77> thx, that would be great
16:17 < daja77> *g*
16:17 < Mike1> anyways now i must get to do a little bit of work
16:17 < daja77> ok
16:17 * Mike1 away working
16:18 < rolla> Mike1:
16:20 < Mike1> rolla: ?
16:21 < rolla> :)\
16:21 < rolla> my machines live full
16:22 < Mike1> rolla: great!
16:22 < Mike1> rolla: is it running gnome 2 already?
16:24 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
16:25 < daja77> re hi blindcoder
16:25 < rolla> yes
16:25 < rolla> Mike1: 1.5.18-gnome2
16:26 < blindcoder> ah
16:26 < blindcoder> finally at home
16:28 < Mike1> nice
16:29 < Mike1> hi blindy
16:30 < daja77> blindcoder: that reminds me of going home myself
16:31 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
16:31 < blindcoder> daja77: hehe :)
16:31 < blindcoder> daja77: time for a weekend
16:31 < daja77> yeah, a party weekend
16:43 < daja77> ok, I'm leaving now, heading homeward
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17:41 < tfing> yop
17:42 < Mike1> hi tfing
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18:29 < javito> tag
18:33 < Mike1> javito: !!
18:33 < Mike1> hi!
18:51 < javito> hi Mike1
18:58 < rolla> grr
18:58 < rolla> die omniback die
19:02 < Mike1> rolla: 0_o
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19:03 < rolla> yeah
19:05 < Mike1> wtf?
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19:25 < owl> re
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19:36 < tcr> re
19:37 < Mike1> wb owl und tcr
19:37 < owl> hi Mike1
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19:42 < daja77> re
19:42 < owl> re daja77
19:42 < daja77> re hi owl
19:43 < Mike1> wb daja77
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19:43 < daja77> hey Mike1, what time is it? ;)
19:43 < daja77> hi bluefire
19:44 < bluefire> hi daja77
19:44 < Mike1> daja77: mike@odin:~ > date
19:44 < Mike1> Fri Mar 21 12:54:12 CST 2003
19:44 < Mike1> mike@odin:~ >
19:44 < Mike1> daja77: its almost ... lunch time :))
19:44 < Mike1> *g
19:44 < daja77> happy meal
19:45 < Mike1> daja77: said almost :)
19:45 < Mike1> i need to finish yet some stuff first
19:45 < daja77> I almost never have lunch
19:45 < Mike1> daja77: why so?
19:45 < daja77> I get up late, so I have breakfast and dinner
19:47 < netrunner_> wow - now the harddisk of my build system crashed. wasn't used anyway since I compiled on a nfs share ... but no system disk any more :(
19:47 < daja77> uuh, compiling on nfs shares sucks
19:48 < daja77> it is a pity, that you can't compile rock on knoppix
19:50 < javito> yes, its a really pity
19:50 < daja77> rolla: are you out there?
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19:52 < daja77> hi ruddur
19:53 < owl> hi ruddur
19:53 < ruddur> hi owl, daja77
19:53 < daja77> boah, I got a 77kb spam mail
19:55 < daja77> ruddur: what's up in Charleroi today?
19:55 < ruddur> nothing special
19:55 < daja77> oh
19:55 < ruddur> manifestation of students for stop the war
19:56 < daja77> we had that yesterday
19:57 < daja77> but I calmed down since then ;)
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20:04 < rolla> daja77: yes
20:05 < daja77> rolla: they changed the error message to 503: service not available, so they have more problems than I thought
20:06 < rolla> :)
20:06 < kasc> re
20:06 < daja77> rolla: btw, the war is getting worse
20:06 < daja77> re hi kasc
20:07 < kasc> does anyone know a program that can use a webcam?
20:07 < daja77> what do you want to do with it
20:07 < tfing> kasc: xawtv
20:07 < tfing> camE
20:08 < tfing> camserv
20:08 < daja77> ophone
20:08 < rolla> daja77: yes I know that I am watching the news sites
20:08 < kasc> daja77: first i only want to check if it works at all
20:08 < daja77> what camera model
20:08 < tfing> kasc: then xawtv is a quick test
20:09 < kasc> but i'd like to have some kind of voip tool that is compatible with netmeeting and also supports webcams
20:09 < daja77> ophone or gnomemeeting
20:14 < kasc> hmm...
20:14 < kasc> has anyone got xawtv to work with a Voodoo 3500 TV?
20:16 < kasc> btw the webcam is a Logitech QuickCam Web
20:21 < kasc> where can i find ophone?
20:39 < daja77> it should be available at http://www.openh323.org
20:40 < javito> gnomemeeting rls
20:41 < Mike1> *yawnnnnn*
21:02 * tcr brb
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21:22 < daja77> why do get a warning that CD1 will not be bootable even if I supply a bootdisk target?
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21:59 < owl> hi blindcoder
21:59 < blindcoder> rehi
21:59 < daja77> hi blindcoder
22:00 < Mike1> hi blindy
22:01 < daja77> Mike1: I'm lost with the network config on 1.7, can you help me?
22:01 < Mike1> hehe
22:01 < Mike1> :)
22:01 < Mike1> daja77: sure one second
22:02 < Mike1> daja77: what exatcly do you need my help with?
22:03 < Mike1> daja77: the network configuration file is: /etc/conf/network
22:03 < Mike1> simply edit it and cofig net as you wish/need :)
22:03 < daja77> thx, I will have a look at
22:04 < Mike1> daja77: quite easy don't worry
22:04 < daja77> the stone tool is broken on this
22:04 < daja77> the standard says the files should be under /etc/sysconfig
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22:04 < Mike1> daja77: mmm.. will look at that next week., just for reference what iso did you use to install ? or was it your own build?
22:05 < daja77> No this is the install I have on my trouble box (19C3 drock)
22:05 < Mike1> daja77: big deal, cd /etc; ln -sf config sysconfig
22:05 < Mike1> there you have your standards :)
22:06 < Mike1> daja77: actually that 19c3 build that you downloaded from dROCK server, is a a Clifford build of the generic target
22:06 < daja77> sure, but it would be nice to have, I've found the configuration files on every new distro out there but rock :(
22:08 < Mike1> daja77: hehe well, you were warned from the beggining that rock was difficult and different right?
22:08 < Mike1> :)
22:08 < Mike1> daja77: anyways where is the fun part if you can always find things that easily
22:10 < daja77> Mike1: Nikolaus claimed that rock is FHS compliant but it isn't
22:11 < daja77> I realized that parts of the network config did not work because the driver wasn't loaded, so I hacked the script to load it
22:12 < Mike1> daja77: you don't want to know my personal opinion about Nikolaus ...
22:12 < daja77> ooops
22:12 < Mike1> :)
22:13 < Mike1> daja77: so now network is up and running?
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22:31 < ringo30> hi tcr
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23:07 < ringo30> Anybody know why gpm support 4 mc is failing ?
23:08 < ringo30> It keeps on core dumping....
23:15 < daja77> rolla: I've got good news for you
23:18 < rolla> was?
23:18 < daja77> my homepage is online again
23:18 < rolla> :)
23:18 < rolla> what is the URL again?
23:18 < daja77> http://lospalmos.net
23:19 < Mike1> *g
23:19 < rolla> slow
23:20 < daja77> sorry, maybe they haven't fixed everything
23:21 < rolla> scool == school
23:21 < daja77> hmm, where did you find that?
23:22 < rolla> about
23:22 < rolla> Administrating the scool net
23:24 < daja77> fixed
23:24 < daja77> thx
23:24 < rolla> nod
23:24 < Mike1> *g
23:24 < rolla> np
23:25 < daja77> ?
23:26 < rolla> np = no problem
23:26 < daja77> well, I also know it as now playing, sorry
23:26 < rolla> ;)
23:26 < rolla> np
23:45 < Mike1> n8 all
23:45 < owl> gn8 Mike1
23:45 < daja77> n8 Mike1 and all
23:45 < Mike1> owl: *HUG*
23:45 < daja77> hehe
23:46 < daja77> n8
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