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00:19 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
00:20 < A-Tui> hi guys
00:22 < owl> hi A-Tui
00:25 < A-Tui> hi owl
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01:22 < rxr> re
01:31 < ringo30> hi rene
01:32 < rxr> hi ringo30
01:33 * rxr just acciednely wiped his ROCK Linux public directory locally ... :-( - Just re rsyncing ...
01:33 < rxr> Maybe I should think about more restrictive acces to my own files ....
01:33 < rxr> +s
01:35 < ringo30> sorry to hear
03:18 < A-Tui> mike1 i finished translations, tomorrow i will revise it, and sunday will send you by email
03:19 < rxr> n8
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10:23 < rxr> re
10:24 < tcr> moin all
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11:09 < fooblah> morning
11:10 < fooblah> i have a problem - rocklinux cvs, building binutils stage2
11:10 < fooblah> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 791: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory
11:10 < fooblah> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 791: /dev/fd/60: No such file or directory
11:10 < fooblah> and so on...
11:10 < fooblah> Broken pipe
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13:32 < daja77> moin
13:38 < ringo30> hi daja77 network up && running ?
13:38 < daja77> nope, it does not work on knoppix as well :(
13:51 < kasc> moin
13:58 < daja77> moin kasc
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14:52 < ringo30> daja77: is your nework device up?
14:52 < daja77> ringo30: no
14:53 < ringo30> daja77: what type of nework device do you have ?
14:53 < daja77> realtek 8029
14:53 < daja77> seems to be a problem of irq routing
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15:03 < ringo30> daja77: what does "insmod  ne2k-pci.o" return ?
15:04 < daja77> it looks normal, the module is loaded, but wait I'll try a new kernel
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15:05 < armijn> 're
15:06 < ringo30> hi armijn, gnome working?
15:07 < daja77> hi armijn
15:08 < daja77> well it still doesn't work
15:09 < ringo30> daja77: Whats in "/proc/pci" ?
15:09 < daja77> what are you looking for, sorry I don't have net access to the machine for copy & paste?
15:11 < ringo30> It gives you all assigned irqs on pci
15:12 < armijn> gnome working? nah...port is horribly outdated
15:12 < armijn> and the openh323 port is also outdated...
15:13 < daja77> ringo30: the controller is on irq 11
15:13 < armijn> first trying to build mozilla...that should keep me happy for another few hours :)
15:14 < ringo30> armijn: nice I downloaded netbsd last night but no x working yet.... But its very nice  like the proces schedueling it reacts immediatly at ctrl^c nice ...
15:15 < ringo30> daja77: what is on irq 9 ?
15:17 < daja77> *argl* there is no device on irq 9
15:17 < daja77> there are 3 devices on irq 11
15:17 < daja77> and another three on irq 5
15:31 < rxr> re
15:31 < daja77> hi rxr
15:32 < armijn> ah well...should clean room now :)
15:32 < armijn> later
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15:33 < ringo30> daja77: ok, "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" fails ?
15:34 < daja77> I get an error message: RTNETLINK: Network unreachable
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15:44 < ringo30> daja77: its a pci device ?
15:45 < daja77> yes and it shares its irq with two other devices
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15:46 < ringo30> daja77: should be ok.
15:47 < daja77> why are there only irq 5 and 11 in use?
15:48 < ringo30> irq is from the pci device
15:48 < ringo30> s/irq/irq 11/
15:52 < ringo30> daja77: look in /proc/modules
15:56 < daja77> ne2k-pci
15:56 < daja77> 8390
15:56 < daja77> are loaded
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15:57 < ringo30> ok  remarks (unused) ?
15:57 < daja77> sorry
15:57 < daja77> ne2k-pci 5752 1
15:58 < daja77> 8390 6448 0 [ne2k-pci]
15:59 < ringo30> daja77: ifconfig returns no eth1 ?
15:59 < ringo30> s/eth1/eth0/
15:59 < daja77> the interface is up, but I can't connect to other hosts
16:04 < kasc> daja77: can you ping yourself on that interface?
16:04 < daja77> yes
16:04 < kasc> are there routes for that subnet in the kernel routing table?
16:06 < daja77> no, but I added one
16:06 < kasc> what does it look like?
16:07 < daja77> dest 192.168.1.0 over dev eth0
16:08 < kasc> and what was the ipaddr of that interface?
16:08 < daja77> 192.168.1.7
16:08 < kasc> do you have another linux box connected to that net you have root access to?
16:09 < ringo30> hmm something with netfilter ... Modules and bzImage have same kernel config (.config in /usr/src/*rock)?
16:09 < daja77> I havn't used netfilter on that box
16:09 < daja77> kasc: yes, every box in this room belongs to me :)
16:10 < kasc> daja77: did you check what part of connecting to some other box fails?
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16:11 < daja77> well this a bnc network, and the rest is running, so the bus should be ok
16:11 < kasc> (as in running a tcpdump on this box and some remote box and trying to ping in both directions)
16:13 < daja77> they can't see each other, I get a return=-1 on every ping I start on the trouble machine
16:13 < kasc> are there arp requests and answers on the net segment?
16:14 < daja77> arp reply trouble-machine is-at 0:40:5:4e:84:cf
16:15 < kasc> you tried to ping from outside, right?
16:16 < daja77> outside?
16:16 < kasc> lets call the trouble-machine as tm and any other host on that subnet as outside or os ;)
16:16 < daja77> I started pings from a machine which is in the same net
16:17 < daja77> ok
16:17 < kasc> then arp works. the ping request got sent, didnt they?
16:17 < daja77> arp worked but the ping isn't answered
16:18 < kasc> and then an icmp with an error came back?
16:18 < daja77> no
16:18 < kasc> no packet at all?
16:19 < daja77> the console message still reads:
16:19 < daja77> [dj@luggage dj]$ ping 192.168.1.7
16:19 < daja77> PING 192.168.1.7 (192.168.1.7) from 192.168.1.5 : 56(84) bytes of data.
16:19 < daja77> nothing else
16:20 < kasc> have a look at the running tcpdump
16:20 < daja77> 16:24:47.996499 luggage.j-net > atuin.j-net: icmp: echo request (DF)
16:21 < daja77> damn that was the request
16:21 < kasc> ok, try to ping os from tm now
16:22 < daja77> sorry there only the request messages catched by tcpdump and the other ping is this running
16:23 < kasc> the arp request?
16:23 < daja77> no the ping from tm, but I can't see it on tcpdump screen
16:24 < daja77> on tm I get a message
16:25 < daja77> ping: sent 64 octets to 192.168.1.1, ret=-1
16:25 < kasc> do you use firewalling on any of the boxes?
16:25 < daja77> nope
16:25 < kasc> the ping output isnt informative at all... only the tcpdump output is
16:26 < daja77> but there is no output coming from tm
16:27 < daja77> I had such strange errors on an old box with FreeBSD and NetBSD, it was an irq problem
16:27 < kasc> have a look at ifconfig especially the lines starting with RX and TX
16:27 < kasc> any errors?
16:28 < daja77> no errors for TX and RX
16:29 < kasc> did you have a look at the syslog?
16:31 < daja77> nothing special there, it only says the network card is sharing irq with other device
16:31 < kasc> maybe you should also try to add some facility which also logs for debug level messages
16:33 < daja77> hmm, do I have to rebuild the kernel?
16:34 < kasc> did you compile the nic driver as a module?
16:34 < daja77> yes
16:34 < kasc> then you shouldnt need to
16:35 < kasc> is any of your ttys from 8 to 12 unused, yet?
16:35 < daja77> you mean, modprobe ne2k-pci debug=xx should do the trick
16:35 < daja77> no none of them are in use
16:36 < kasc> try to add a line like: *.debug /dev/tty10  to your syslogd.conf and HUP it
16:36 < kasc> maybe that already gives you more informations
16:39 < daja77> done, but nothing is logged
16:40 < kasc> try to rmmod and insmod the module again
16:41 < daja77> device or resource busy
16:42 < kasc> oh right, you should ifconfig down the device first
16:44 < daja77> still no better messages
16:47 < kasc> hmm
16:47 < kasc> is the module currently loaded?
16:48 < daja77> yes it just mocking about sharing an irq with another device
16:49 < kasc> did you already try something but ping? telnet perhaps?
16:49 < daja77> no
16:50 < kasc> does telnet by chance work? :)
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16:51 < daja77> unable to connect to remote host: network unreachable
16:54 < kasc> thought so...
16:54 < daja77> brb
16:59 < kasc> in fact i doubt it has something to do with the irq but you could try your luck with pcitweak
17:04 < daja77> well when I enable apic the card is on irq 19
17:04 < kasc> does that help?
17:05 < daja77> no
17:05 < daja77> maybe the card cannot handle this
17:07 < kasc> what other cards are on that irq?
17:09 < daja77> usb 2.0 controller
17:11 < kasc> do you know what irq's your bios is set to assign to pci?
17:11 < daja77> it is automatic setting I think
17:12 < kasc> but you dont know for sure?
17:12 < daja77> the pin mappings to irq are automatic
17:13 < kasc> do you have any isa cards in that box?
17:13 < daja77> no
17:14 < daja77> but an isa bridge, I wondering for what
17:14 < kasc> to maintain the empty isa slots ;)
17:15 < daja77> hehe, and disturb useful settings
17:15 < kasc> maybe you should have a look at your bios and try to change some settings there
17:15 < kasc> or shuffle the pci cards...
17:16 < daja77> that's what I'm trying to do the whole day
17:16 < daja77> well, I have only one pci card
17:16 < daja77> the network controller
17:16 < daja77> I tried it in three different slots
17:18 < kasc> can you assign some other irq to the usb controller using the bios?
17:18 < daja77> I'm trying, brb
17:25 < daja77> well I deactiveted usb and audio, still doesn't work
17:26 < kasc> did you have a look at your bios?
17:26 < daja77> yes
17:26 < daja77> i deactivated usb and audio controllers in bios
17:26 < kasc> did you try to manually assign an irq to the nic?
17:27 < daja77> how
17:27 < kasc> good question :)
17:27 < kasc> i remember having an option to assign specific irq's to the irq pool pci may assign
17:28 < daja77> I can only assign some irqs to pin 1 - 4
17:30 < kasc> i fear we are getting to the point where i would have to actually see the box to know whats going wrong
17:30 < daja77> I feared that half an hour ago :)
17:30 < kasc> hehe
17:30 < daja77> I feared that the whole day
17:31 * daja77 dreams of having many wise guys looking at his box and say: hmmmm
17:31 < kasc> well i'm no more that familiar with hardware configuration anymore... back in dos times i knew every single setting my bios was set to...
17:31 < kasc> where did you say do you live?
17:32 < daja77> you haven't such crap like extended irqs
17:32 < daja77> Chemnitz, Sachsen
17:32 < kasc> isnt that far away...
17:32 < daja77> where are you from?
17:32 < kasc> Jena, Thüringen
17:33 < daja77> hehe, indeed, been there already
17:33 < kasc> ugly city, isnt it? ;)
17:33 < daja77> depends, I was there to visit Zeiss Planetarium
17:34 < kasc> most ppl only see the blocks from the highway
17:35 < daja77> there are ugly but I have seen worse things than that
17:35 < kasc> since a year or so even the inner city is kinda nice...
17:35 < daja77> ack
17:36 < kasc> originally i'm from Herne,NRW
17:36 < daja77> heard of that
17:36 < kasc> oh, how come?
17:36 < daja77> dunno, I just know that I heard it but lost the content
17:37 < kasc> hehe
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17:38 < wizzard> hi 2 all
17:38 < kasc> hi wizzard
17:38 < daja77> hi wizzard, can you do some magic on my pc
17:39 < wizzard> no i'm a begginer:)
17:39 < wizzard> i need some help
17:39 < daja77> ah you are the wizzard, welcome rincewind :)
17:39 < wizzard> :)
17:39 < wizzard> whi my telnet session can work?
17:40 < wizzard> reporting the error that I don't have the route to host
17:40 < daja77> can you ping that host?
17:40 < wizzard> yes
17:40 < daja77> are you sure that the host has a telnet server running?
17:41 < wizzard> yes 100%
17:41 < daja77> any firewalling stuff between?
17:42 < wizzard> I disabled my local firewall
17:42 < daja77> good
17:42 < wizzard> no so good!!!!!!:)
17:42 < wizzard> just for the moment
17:42 < wizzard> ;)
17:43 < daja77> no it is ok, you will probably not need it anyway
17:43 < wizzard> well under linux ... probably no
17:43 < daja77> kasc: can you help here, I'll heading now for Leipzig and will be off in some minutes
17:43 < kasc> sure
17:43 < daja77> thx
17:44 < kasc> wizzard: for me to recall: ping works but telnet doesnt?
17:45 < wizzard> yes
17:45 < daja77> bye you all, cu
17:45 < kasc> cya daja77
17:45 < wizzard> what's that?
17:45 < kasc> wizzard: how do you invoke the telnetd?
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17:46 < wizzard> I don't know:(
17:46 < wizzard> must run telnetd?
17:46 < kasc> no
17:46 < kasc> it should be run from inetd
17:46 < kasc> have a look at /etc/inetd.conf
17:47 < wizzard> now I understatnd...
17:47 < kasc> do you use tcpwrappers?
17:47 < wizzard> no
17:48 < kasc> can you telnet in from the same box?
17:48 -!- _HulK_ [~LICORICE@62-36-178-124.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #rocklinux
17:48 < _HulK_> hi there
17:48 < wizzard> i don't understand that box?
17:49 < _HulK_> i want to mirror rocklinux
17:49 < kasc> the box the telnetd is on
17:49 < kasc> hi _HulK_
17:49 < _HulK_> i'm tryin
17:49 < _HulK_> to do with the Download script
17:49 < wizzard> i have in etc/xinetd.d/telnet
17:50 < _HulK_> however it seems doesn't works for me
17:50 < _HulK_> my server runs under gentoo
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17:50 < wizzard> i found the problem I'm verry stupid MAN!!!
17:50 < _HulK_> i want to download all rock distrib for installation pourpuses
17:51 < kasc_> re
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17:51 < _HulK_> cause at home i've dial conec
17:51 < _HulK_> so what could i do?
17:52 < kasc_> _HulK_: would a precompiled installation iso help you?
17:52 < _HulK_> no
17:52 < _HulK_> i want to compile everything
17:52 < _HulK_> no matter
17:52 < _HulK_> i'm mirroring at my lab server
17:52 < _HulK_> under T155 conec
17:52 < _HulK_> :)
17:53 < _HulK_> then back the HDD to my home PC
17:53 < kasc_> what version of rock are you going to try?
17:53 < _HulK_> 1.7?
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17:54 < kasc_> then you can just install the sources, configure them and start the Download script
17:54 < kasc_> that should get you anything you may need
17:54 < _HulK_> let me explain better
17:55 < _HulK_> i want to download source packages
17:55 < _HulK_> then point the install script to my HDD
17:55 < _HulK_> avoiding internet downloading
17:56 < _HulK_> because i want to install rock on my home PC
17:57 < _HulK_> which has a 56K conec
17:57 < kasc_> if you want to compile rock yourself you will have to download the sources at some point...
17:57 < _HulK_> i've just mirrored ftp.leo.org
17:58 < _HulK_> about 2Gbytes
17:58 < _HulK_> rock 1.7
17:58 < _HulK_> it's ok?
17:58 < kasc_> i dont think many of the source packages you need to compile rock can be found on leo.org
17:59 < _HulK_> then?
17:59 < _HulK_> where could i found them?
18:00 < kasc_> oh, i just had a look at leo. that one should be fine
18:00 < _HulK_> there must be a source packages server
18:00 < kasc_> but there still might be specific versions of specific packages that didnt get mirrored yet
18:01 < _HulK_> which is the best server?
18:01 < _HulK_> to mirror
18:01 < _HulK_> =
18:01 < _HulK_> ?
18:01 < kasc_> we upgrade the packages for rock quite recently so in some cases you wont find all needed files even on our main mirror
18:03 < kasc_> have a look at the *.desc files inside packages. In the lines tagged with [D] you will find all the needed files and where to find them
18:04 < _HulK_> install scripts comments downloading sites?
18:04 < kasc_> yep
18:04 < _HulK_> which script?
18:04 < _HulK_> install?
18:04 < kasc_> no
18:05 < _HulK_> packages
18:05 < _HulK_> :)
18:05 < _HulK_> i'm looking for
18:05 < kasc_> the best way would be to run ./scripts/Config and after that ./scripts/Download -required
18:05 < kasc_> packages shouldnt contain any download urls...
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19:01 < _HulK_> i'm downloading all the packages however there are some links doesn't works, ftp.gnu.org wat's up?
19:02 < _HulK_> source 1.6pre3
19:06 < kasc> what package?
19:09 < _HulK_> from ftp.gnu.org
19:09 < _HulK_> it seems doesn't works for me
19:09 < kasc> i didnt ask from where. i asked what package
19:10 < _HulK_> gcc
19:10 < _HulK_> for example
19:10 < kasc> how did you try to download it?
19:11 < _HulK_> ncftp ftp.gnu.org
19:11 < _HulK_> NcFTP 3.1.4 (Jul 02, 2002) by Mike Gleason (ncftp@ncftp.com).
19:11 < _HulK_> Connecting to 199.232.41.7...
19:11 < _HulK_> didn't connects
19:12 < kasc> why dont you use the download script?
19:12 < _HulK_> i did it!
19:12 < _HulK_> gnu server is off?
19:14 < kasc> the download script doesnt use ncftp
19:17 < _HulK_> use wget
19:17 < _HulK_> it doesn't matter!
19:18 < kasc> what exactly are you currently trying to do?
19:18 < _HulK_> plz ping ftp.gnu.org
19:18 < _HulK_> downloading all!
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19:19 < kasc> did you extract the rock sources?
19:20 < _HulK_> sure
19:20 < kasc> are you currently in the base directory of the rock sources?
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20:10 < owl> hi
20:32 < ringo30> hi owl
20:33 < owl> hi ringo30
20:33 < owl> how are you?
20:35 < ringo30> allmost fine thanks major headache, to less coffee...
20:37 < owl> *g* caffeine-junkie ;)
20:39 < ringo30> I only use 200gr of dissolveable coffee ... (a week).
20:41 < owl> <-- uses 0 mg coffee/week ;)
20:42 < ringo30> lucky you...
20:46 < owl> hehe ;) jup
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20:56 < Mike1> moin all
20:56 < owl> hi Mike1
20:58 < rxr> hi Mike1
21:00 < Mike1> Ren!
21:02 < fake> hi
21:02 < Mike1> hi fake
21:02 < owl> hi fake
21:02 * fake cleaning up harddrive
21:03 < fake> update to RELENG_5_0 - better safe than sorry
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21:44 < tcr> moin
21:46 * tcr brb
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23:02 < tcr> hi jvc
23:02 < jvc> hi tcr
23:03 < Mike1> hi tcr, jvc
23:04 < owl> hi jvc
23:04 < jvc> hi,  mike1, hi owl
23:04 < jvc> I was just looking if something is happening here
23:05 < tcr> that's actually rather an unusual things ;) though lately there have been great off topic talks
23:05 < tcr> due to war etc
23:06 < Mike1> how long do you guys thing that the war will last?
23:06 < jvc> o, that, I hope it will be over soon
23:06 * Mike1 too
23:06 < tcr> hmm, do you wanna bet with us, or what? ;)
23:06 < jvc> no, not really
23:07 < Mike1> tcr: i just have the feeling that when they are over with irak, they will wanna go after iran
23:07 < Mike1> as you have seen the violated their airspace, and also, misteriously lost a bomb whicch hit on iran
23:07 < tcr> Bush's agency has publicly stated this already
23:07 < tcr> before the beginning of the iraq conflic
23:07 < tcr> t
23:08 < Mike1> tcr: oh man ...
23:08 < Mike1> nice way to spend the people's money...
23:09 < tcr> He really intend to clean up the whole near east, well, the saudis are quite likely to be spared..
23:10 < Mike1> thank God Costa RIca has no army, i wouldn't like to be involved on this crap
23:10 < tcr> You probably wouldn't anyway, unless you got a very tainted government
23:11 < Mike1> tcr: our president would do anything to 'like' USA, he is quite a moron
23:11 < tcr> yea
23:11 < tcr> but in uncritical situation no civil people are taken into the army
23:12 < Mike1> tcr: yeah, but knowing my self i would have continued my pilot career if there was an army here.
23:12 < Mike1> anyways, thats not gonna happen :)
23:14 < tcr> We live in bogus times, so don't let us count on that ;)
23:14 < Mike1> yeah
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