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--- Log opened Sat Mar 22 00:00:01 2003 --- Day changed Sat Mar 22 2003 00:19 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:20 < A-Tui> hi guys 00:22 < owl> hi A-Tui 00:25 < A-Tui> hi owl 01:22 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-211.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:22 < rxr> re 01:31 < ringo30> hi rene 01:32 < rxr> hi ringo30 01:33 * rxr just acciednely wiped his ROCK Linux public directory locally ... :-( - Just re rsyncing ... 01:33 < rxr> Maybe I should think about more restrictive acces to my own files .... 01:33 < rxr> +s 01:35 < ringo30> sorry to hear 03:18 < A-Tui> mike1 i finished translations, tomorrow i will revise it, and sunday will send you by email 03:19 < rxr> n8 03:28 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 03:59 -!- tibit [~tibit@p508ABBFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:08 -!- netrunner_ [~netrunner@p50802D8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:15 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("GNU's not UniX") 04:16 -!- tibit_ [~tibit@p508AB17B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:56 -!- trench [trench@193.201.220.86] has left #rocklinux () 06:04 -!- netrunner_ [~netrunner@p50802CF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:23 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D068.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:23 < rxr> re 10:24 < tcr> moin all 10:34 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50817569.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:09 -!- fooblah [~slackware@pD9EBBCD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:09 < fooblah> morning 11:10 < fooblah> i have a problem - rocklinux cvs, building binutils stage2 11:10 < fooblah> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 791: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory 11:10 < fooblah> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 791: /dev/fd/60: No such file or directory 11:10 < fooblah> and so on... 11:10 < fooblah> Broken pipe 13:30 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-077-020.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:32 < daja77> moin 13:38 < ringo30> hi daja77 network up && running ? 13:38 < daja77> nope, it does not work on knoppix as well :( 13:51 < kasc> moin 13:58 < daja77> moin kasc 14:28 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D068.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 14:42 -!- ruddur [~ruddur@rocklinux.ruddur.net] has quit ("No windows for this server") 14:46 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 14:52 < ringo30> daja77: is your nework device up? 14:52 < daja77> ringo30: no 14:53 < ringo30> daja77: what type of nework device do you have ? 14:53 < daja77> realtek 8029 14:53 < daja77> seems to be a problem of irq routing 15:03 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-47.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:03 < ringo30> daja77: what does "insmod ne2k-pci.o" return ? 15:04 < daja77> it looks normal, the module is loaded, but wait I'll try a new kernel 15:05 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 15:05 < armijn> 're 15:06 < ringo30> hi armijn, gnome working? 15:07 < daja77> hi armijn 15:08 < daja77> well it still doesn't work 15:09 < ringo30> daja77: Whats in "/proc/pci" ? 15:09 < daja77> what are you looking for, sorry I don't have net access to the machine for copy & paste? 15:11 < ringo30> It gives you all assigned irqs on pci 15:12 < armijn> gnome working? nah...port is horribly outdated 15:12 < armijn> and the openh323 port is also outdated... 15:13 < daja77> ringo30: the controller is on irq 11 15:13 < armijn> first trying to build mozilla...that should keep me happy for another few hours :) 15:14 < ringo30> armijn: nice I downloaded netbsd last night but no x working yet.... But its very nice like the proces schedueling it reacts immediatly at ctrl^c nice ... 15:15 < ringo30> daja77: what is on irq 9 ? 15:17 < daja77> *argl* there is no device on irq 9 15:17 < daja77> there are 3 devices on irq 11 15:17 < daja77> and another three on irq 5 15:31 < rxr> re 15:31 < daja77> hi rxr 15:32 < armijn> ah well...should clean room now :) 15:32 < armijn> later 15:32 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 15:33 < ringo30> daja77: ok, "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" fails ? 15:34 < daja77> I get an error message: RTNETLINK: Network unreachable 15:40 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("Reconnecting") 15:40 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 15:44 < ringo30> daja77: its a pci device ? 15:45 < daja77> yes and it shares its irq with two other devices 15:45 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@B65a2.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:46 < ringo30> daja77: should be ok. 15:47 < daja77> why are there only irq 5 and 11 in use? 15:48 < ringo30> irq is from the pci device 15:48 < ringo30> s/irq/irq 11/ 15:52 < ringo30> daja77: look in /proc/modules 15:56 < daja77> ne2k-pci 15:56 < daja77> 8390 15:56 < daja77> are loaded 15:57 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:57 < ringo30> ok remarks (unused) ? 15:57 < daja77> sorry 15:57 < daja77> ne2k-pci 5752 1 15:58 < daja77> 8390 6448 0 [ne2k-pci] 15:59 < ringo30> daja77: ifconfig returns no eth1 ? 15:59 < ringo30> s/eth1/eth0/ 15:59 < daja77> the interface is up, but I can't connect to other hosts 16:04 < kasc> daja77: can you ping yourself on that interface? 16:04 < daja77> yes 16:04 < kasc> are there routes for that subnet in the kernel routing table? 16:06 < daja77> no, but I added one 16:06 < kasc> what does it look like? 16:07 < daja77> dest 192.168.1.0 over dev eth0 16:08 < kasc> and what was the ipaddr of that interface? 16:08 < daja77> 192.168.1.7 16:08 < kasc> do you have another linux box connected to that net you have root access to? 16:09 < ringo30> hmm something with netfilter ... Modules and bzImage have same kernel config (.config in /usr/src/*rock)? 16:09 < daja77> I havn't used netfilter on that box 16:09 < daja77> kasc: yes, every box in this room belongs to me :) 16:10 < kasc> daja77: did you check what part of connecting to some other box fails? 16:11 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@B65a2.pppool.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:11 < daja77> well this a bnc network, and the rest is running, so the bus should be ok 16:11 < kasc> (as in running a tcpdump on this box and some remote box and trying to ping in both directions) 16:13 < daja77> they can't see each other, I get a return=-1 on every ping I start on the trouble machine 16:13 < kasc> are there arp requests and answers on the net segment? 16:14 < daja77> arp reply trouble-machine is-at 0:40:5:4e:84:cf 16:15 < kasc> you tried to ping from outside, right? 16:16 < daja77> outside? 16:16 < kasc> lets call the trouble-machine as tm and any other host on that subnet as outside or os ;) 16:16 < daja77> I started pings from a machine which is in the same net 16:17 < daja77> ok 16:17 < kasc> then arp works. the ping request got sent, didnt they? 16:17 < daja77> arp worked but the ping isn't answered 16:18 < kasc> and then an icmp with an error came back? 16:18 < daja77> no 16:18 < kasc> no packet at all? 16:19 < daja77> the console message still reads: 16:19 < daja77> [dj@luggage dj]$ ping 192.168.1.7 16:19 < daja77> PING 192.168.1.7 (192.168.1.7) from 192.168.1.5 : 56(84) bytes of data. 16:19 < daja77> nothing else 16:20 < kasc> have a look at the running tcpdump 16:20 < daja77> 16:24:47.996499 luggage.j-net > atuin.j-net: icmp: echo request (DF) 16:21 < daja77> damn that was the request 16:21 < kasc> ok, try to ping os from tm now 16:22 < daja77> sorry there only the request messages catched by tcpdump and the other ping is this running 16:23 < kasc> the arp request? 16:23 < daja77> no the ping from tm, but I can't see it on tcpdump screen 16:24 < daja77> on tm I get a message 16:25 < daja77> ping: sent 64 octets to 192.168.1.1, ret=-1 16:25 < kasc> do you use firewalling on any of the boxes? 16:25 < daja77> nope 16:25 < kasc> the ping output isnt informative at all... only the tcpdump output is 16:26 < daja77> but there is no output coming from tm 16:27 < daja77> I had such strange errors on an old box with FreeBSD and NetBSD, it was an irq problem 16:27 < kasc> have a look at ifconfig especially the lines starting with RX and TX 16:27 < kasc> any errors? 16:28 < daja77> no errors for TX and RX 16:29 < kasc> did you have a look at the syslog? 16:31 < daja77> nothing special there, it only says the network card is sharing irq with other device 16:31 < kasc> maybe you should also try to add some facility which also logs for debug level messages 16:33 < daja77> hmm, do I have to rebuild the kernel? 16:34 < kasc> did you compile the nic driver as a module? 16:34 < daja77> yes 16:34 < kasc> then you shouldnt need to 16:35 < kasc> is any of your ttys from 8 to 12 unused, yet? 16:35 < daja77> you mean, modprobe ne2k-pci debug=xx should do the trick 16:35 < daja77> no none of them are in use 16:36 < kasc> try to add a line like: *.debug /dev/tty10 to your syslogd.conf and HUP it 16:36 < kasc> maybe that already gives you more informations 16:39 < daja77> done, but nothing is logged 16:40 < kasc> try to rmmod and insmod the module again 16:41 < daja77> device or resource busy 16:42 < kasc> oh right, you should ifconfig down the device first 16:44 < daja77> still no better messages 16:47 < kasc> hmm 16:47 < kasc> is the module currently loaded? 16:48 < daja77> yes it just mocking about sharing an irq with another device 16:49 < kasc> did you already try something but ping? telnet perhaps? 16:49 < daja77> no 16:50 < kasc> does telnet by chance work? :) 16:51 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("see ya") 16:51 < daja77> unable to connect to remote host: network unreachable 16:54 < kasc> thought so... 16:54 < daja77> brb 16:59 < kasc> in fact i doubt it has something to do with the irq but you could try your luck with pcitweak 17:04 < daja77> well when I enable apic the card is on irq 19 17:04 < kasc> does that help? 17:05 < daja77> no 17:05 < daja77> maybe the card cannot handle this 17:07 < kasc> what other cards are on that irq? 17:09 < daja77> usb 2.0 controller 17:11 < kasc> do you know what irq's your bios is set to assign to pci? 17:11 < daja77> it is automatic setting I think 17:12 < kasc> but you dont know for sure? 17:12 < daja77> the pin mappings to irq are automatic 17:13 < kasc> do you have any isa cards in that box? 17:13 < daja77> no 17:14 < daja77> but an isa bridge, I wondering for what 17:14 < kasc> to maintain the empty isa slots ;) 17:15 < daja77> hehe, and disturb useful settings 17:15 < kasc> maybe you should have a look at your bios and try to change some settings there 17:15 < kasc> or shuffle the pci cards... 17:16 < daja77> that's what I'm trying to do the whole day 17:16 < daja77> well, I have only one pci card 17:16 < daja77> the network controller 17:16 < daja77> I tried it in three different slots 17:18 < kasc> can you assign some other irq to the usb controller using the bios? 17:18 < daja77> I'm trying, brb 17:25 < daja77> well I deactiveted usb and audio, still doesn't work 17:26 < kasc> did you have a look at your bios? 17:26 < daja77> yes 17:26 < daja77> i deactivated usb and audio controllers in bios 17:26 < kasc> did you try to manually assign an irq to the nic? 17:27 < daja77> how 17:27 < kasc> good question :) 17:27 < kasc> i remember having an option to assign specific irq's to the irq pool pci may assign 17:28 < daja77> I can only assign some irqs to pin 1 - 4 17:30 < kasc> i fear we are getting to the point where i would have to actually see the box to know whats going wrong 17:30 < daja77> I feared that half an hour ago :) 17:30 < kasc> hehe 17:30 < daja77> I feared that the whole day 17:31 * daja77 dreams of having many wise guys looking at his box and say: hmmmm 17:31 < kasc> well i'm no more that familiar with hardware configuration anymore... back in dos times i knew every single setting my bios was set to... 17:31 < kasc> where did you say do you live? 17:32 < daja77> you haven't such crap like extended irqs 17:32 < daja77> Chemnitz, Sachsen 17:32 < kasc> isnt that far away... 17:32 < daja77> where are you from? 17:32 < kasc> Jena, Thüringen 17:33 < daja77> hehe, indeed, been there already 17:33 < kasc> ugly city, isnt it? ;) 17:33 < daja77> depends, I was there to visit Zeiss Planetarium 17:34 < kasc> most ppl only see the blocks from the highway 17:35 < daja77> there are ugly but I have seen worse things than that 17:35 < kasc> since a year or so even the inner city is kinda nice... 17:35 < daja77> ack 17:36 < kasc> originally i'm from Herne,NRW 17:36 < daja77> heard of that 17:36 < kasc> oh, how come? 17:36 < daja77> dunno, I just know that I heard it but lost the content 17:37 < kasc> hehe 17:37 -!- wizzard [~yyyy@194.247.212.231] has joined #rocklinux 17:38 < wizzard> hi 2 all 17:38 < kasc> hi wizzard 17:38 < daja77> hi wizzard, can you do some magic on my pc 17:39 < wizzard> no i'm a begginer:) 17:39 < wizzard> i need some help 17:39 < daja77> ah you are the wizzard, welcome rincewind :) 17:39 < wizzard> :) 17:39 < wizzard> whi my telnet session can work? 17:40 < wizzard> reporting the error that I don't have the route to host 17:40 < daja77> can you ping that host? 17:40 < wizzard> yes 17:40 < daja77> are you sure that the host has a telnet server running? 17:41 < wizzard> yes 100% 17:41 < daja77> any firewalling stuff between? 17:42 < wizzard> I disabled my local firewall 17:42 < daja77> good 17:42 < wizzard> no so good!!!!!!:) 17:42 < wizzard> just for the moment 17:42 < wizzard> ;) 17:43 < daja77> no it is ok, you will probably not need it anyway 17:43 < wizzard> well under linux ... probably no 17:43 < daja77> kasc: can you help here, I'll heading now for Leipzig and will be off in some minutes 17:43 < kasc> sure 17:43 < daja77> thx 17:44 < kasc> wizzard: for me to recall: ping works but telnet doesnt? 17:45 < wizzard> yes 17:45 < daja77> bye you all, cu 17:45 < kasc> cya daja77 17:45 < wizzard> what's that? 17:45 < kasc> wizzard: how do you invoke the telnetd? 17:45 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-077-020.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:46 < wizzard> I don't know:( 17:46 < wizzard> must run telnetd? 17:46 < kasc> no 17:46 < kasc> it should be run from inetd 17:46 < kasc> have a look at /etc/inetd.conf 17:47 < wizzard> now I understatnd... 17:47 < kasc> do you use tcpwrappers? 17:47 < wizzard> no 17:48 < kasc> can you telnet in from the same box? 17:48 -!- _HulK_ [~LICORICE@62-36-178-124.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #rocklinux 17:48 < _HulK_> hi there 17:48 < wizzard> i don't understand that box? 17:49 < _HulK_> i want to mirror rocklinux 17:49 < kasc> the box the telnetd is on 17:49 < kasc> hi _HulK_ 17:49 < _HulK_> i'm tryin 17:49 < _HulK_> to do with the Download script 17:49 < wizzard> i have in etc/xinetd.d/telnet 17:50 < _HulK_> however it seems doesn't works for me 17:50 < _HulK_> my server runs under gentoo 17:50 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p5090A570.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:50 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ("Lost terminal") 17:50 < wizzard> i found the problem I'm verry stupid MAN!!! 17:50 < _HulK_> i want to download all rock distrib for installation pourpuses 17:51 < kasc_> re 17:51 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 17:51 < _HulK_> cause at home i've dial conec 17:51 < _HulK_> so what could i do? 17:52 < kasc_> _HulK_: would a precompiled installation iso help you? 17:52 < _HulK_> no 17:52 < _HulK_> i want to compile everything 17:52 < _HulK_> no matter 17:52 < _HulK_> i'm mirroring at my lab server 17:52 < _HulK_> under T155 conec 17:52 < _HulK_> :) 17:53 < _HulK_> then back the HDD to my home PC 17:53 < kasc_> what version of rock are you going to try? 17:53 < _HulK_> 1.7? 17:54 -!- wizzard [~yyyy@194.247.212.231] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 17:54 < kasc_> then you can just install the sources, configure them and start the Download script 17:54 < kasc_> that should get you anything you may need 17:54 < _HulK_> let me explain better 17:55 < _HulK_> i want to download source packages 17:55 < _HulK_> then point the install script to my HDD 17:55 < _HulK_> avoiding internet downloading 17:56 < _HulK_> because i want to install rock on my home PC 17:57 < _HulK_> which has a 56K conec 17:57 < kasc_> if you want to compile rock yourself you will have to download the sources at some point... 17:57 < _HulK_> i've just mirrored ftp.leo.org 17:58 < _HulK_> about 2Gbytes 17:58 < _HulK_> rock 1.7 17:58 < _HulK_> it's ok? 17:58 < kasc_> i dont think many of the source packages you need to compile rock can be found on leo.org 17:59 < _HulK_> then? 17:59 < _HulK_> where could i found them? 18:00 < kasc_> oh, i just had a look at leo. that one should be fine 18:00 < _HulK_> there must be a source packages server 18:00 < kasc_> but there still might be specific versions of specific packages that didnt get mirrored yet 18:01 < _HulK_> which is the best server? 18:01 < _HulK_> to mirror 18:01 < _HulK_> = 18:01 < _HulK_> ? 18:01 < kasc_> we upgrade the packages for rock quite recently so in some cases you wont find all needed files even on our main mirror 18:03 < kasc_> have a look at the *.desc files inside packages. In the lines tagged with [D] you will find all the needed files and where to find them 18:04 < _HulK_> install scripts comments downloading sites? 18:04 < kasc_> yep 18:04 < _HulK_> which script? 18:04 < _HulK_> install? 18:04 < kasc_> no 18:05 < _HulK_> packages 18:05 < _HulK_> :) 18:05 < _HulK_> i'm looking for 18:05 < kasc_> the best way would be to run ./scripts/Config and after that ./scripts/Download -required 18:05 < kasc_> packages shouldnt contain any download urls... 18:06 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50909CAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:06 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 18:25 -!- fooblah [~slackware@pD9EBBCD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it.") 19:01 < _HulK_> i'm downloading all the packages however there are some links doesn't works, ftp.gnu.org wat's up? 19:02 < _HulK_> source 1.6pre3 19:06 < kasc> what package? 19:09 < _HulK_> from ftp.gnu.org 19:09 < _HulK_> it seems doesn't works for me 19:09 < kasc> i didnt ask from where. i asked what package 19:10 < _HulK_> gcc 19:10 < _HulK_> for example 19:10 < kasc> how did you try to download it? 19:11 < _HulK_> ncftp ftp.gnu.org 19:11 < _HulK_> NcFTP 3.1.4 (Jul 02, 2002) by Mike Gleason (ncftp@ncftp.com). 19:11 < _HulK_> Connecting to 199.232.41.7... 19:11 < _HulK_> didn't connects 19:12 < kasc> why dont you use the download script? 19:12 < _HulK_> i did it! 19:12 < _HulK_> gnu server is off? 19:14 < kasc> the download script doesnt use ncftp 19:17 < _HulK_> use wget 19:17 < _HulK_> it doesn't matter! 19:18 < kasc> what exactly are you currently trying to do? 19:18 < _HulK_> plz ping ftp.gnu.org 19:18 < _HulK_> downloading all! 19:19 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50817569.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 19:19 < kasc> did you extract the rock sources? 19:20 < _HulK_> sure 19:20 < kasc> are you currently in the base directory of the rock sources? 19:24 -!- _HulK_ [~LICORICE@62-36-178-124.dialup.uni2.es] has quit (" IRcap 7.2 https://www.ircap.net !!") 20:10 < owl> hi 20:32 < ringo30> hi owl 20:33 < owl> hi ringo30 20:33 < owl> how are you? 20:35 < ringo30> allmost fine thanks major headache, to less coffee... 20:37 < owl> *g* caffeine-junkie ;) 20:39 < ringo30> I only use 200gr of dissolveable coffee ... (a week). 20:41 < owl> <-- uses 0 mg coffee/week ;) 20:42 < ringo30> lucky you... 20:46 < owl> hehe ;) jup 20:47 -!- tfing [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-2-245.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 20:47 -!- ruddur [~ruddur@rocklinux.ruddur.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:56 < Mike1> moin all 20:56 < owl> hi Mike1 20:58 < rxr> hi Mike1 21:00 < Mike1> Ren! 21:02 < fake> hi 21:02 < Mike1> hi fake 21:02 < owl> hi fake 21:02 * fake cleaning up harddrive 21:03 < fake> update to RELENG_5_0 - better safe than sorry 21:42 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D6E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:44 < tcr> moin 21:46 * tcr brb 21:47 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D6E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 21:48 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813D37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:51 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813D37.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 21:52 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813D37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:40 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958F2A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:56 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:00 -!- jvc [1000@co97886-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 23:02 < tcr> hi jvc 23:02 < jvc> hi tcr 23:03 < Mike1> hi tcr, jvc 23:04 < owl> hi jvc 23:04 < jvc> hi, mike1, hi owl 23:04 < jvc> I was just looking if something is happening here 23:05 < tcr> that's actually rather an unusual things ;) though lately there have been great off topic talks 23:05 < tcr> due to war etc 23:06 < Mike1> how long do you guys thing that the war will last? 23:06 < jvc> o, that, I hope it will be over soon 23:06 * Mike1 too 23:06 < tcr> hmm, do you wanna bet with us, or what? ;) 23:06 < jvc> no, not really 23:07 < Mike1> tcr: i just have the feeling that when they are over with irak, they will wanna go after iran 23:07 < Mike1> as you have seen the violated their airspace, and also, misteriously lost a bomb whicch hit on iran 23:07 < tcr> Bush's agency has publicly stated this already 23:07 < tcr> before the beginning of the iraq conflic 23:07 < tcr> t 23:08 < Mike1> tcr: oh man ... 23:08 < Mike1> nice way to spend the people's money... 23:09 < tcr> He really intend to clean up the whole near east, well, the saudis are quite likely to be spared.. 23:10 < Mike1> thank God Costa RIca has no army, i wouldn't like to be involved on this crap 23:10 < tcr> You probably wouldn't anyway, unless you got a very tainted government 23:11 < Mike1> tcr: our president would do anything to 'like' USA, he is quite a moron 23:11 < tcr> yea 23:11 < tcr> but in uncritical situation no civil people are taken into the army 23:12 < Mike1> tcr: yeah, but knowing my self i would have continued my pilot career if there was an army here. 23:12 < Mike1> anyways, thats not gonna happen :) 23:14 < tcr> We live in bogus times, so don't let us count on that ;) 23:14 < Mike1> yeah --- Log closed Sun Mar 23 00:00:19 2003