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--- Log opened Fri Apr 04 00:00:11 2003 --- Day changed Fri Apr 04 2003 00:00 -!- demian [~demian@208.165.55.133] has left #rocklinux () 00:05 < daja77> hi A-Tui 00:05 < daja77> re 00:06 < A-Tui> hi daja77! 00:06 < Mike1> greetings Aitor 00:06 < Mike1> wb daja77 00:07 < daja77> thx Mike1 00:07 < Mike1> daja77: == 16:54:34 =[5]=> Building base/gmp [4.1.2 1.7-snapshot]. 00:07 < A-Tui> greetingd miguel 00:07 < Mike1> router target build almost finished 00:07 < A-Tui> ops greetings 00:07 < daja77> Mike1: can't tell how far my build is :( 00:07 < Mike1> daja77: warum? 00:08 < daja77> it is at work, no access to this machine from here 00:08 < A-Tui> ROCK 1.6 will be deprecated or will be developed in future? 00:08 < Mike1> daja77: ah its ok 00:08 < kasc> re daja77 00:08 < daja77> huhu kasc 00:08 < Mike1> A-Tui: its been developed yet, and will go on, but only a very reduced group of us have interest on it 00:09 < A-Tui> ok, i now reading packages build docs, and i wonder if it's usefull make packs for 1.6 00:09 < daja77> can I get bootable iso's for powerpc when crosscompling rock? 00:10 < Mike1> daja77: no. 00:10 < Mike1> daja77: but rxr has been working on ppc port 00:10 < Mike1> already got ppc .gem packages 00:10 < daja77> :) 00:11 < Mike1> and was going to install them on a yellow dog box 00:11 < Mike1> A-Tui: do you have any particular interest on 1.6? 00:12 < A-Tui> mmmm only that its my actual ROCK system 00:12 < Mike1> ah okis :) 00:12 < A-Tui> and i want have 2 versions in parallel on diferent machines 00:13 < daja77> wow, 42 mails on the list :) 00:13 < daja77> this means all my questions got anwsered :) 00:21 * rxr back 00:21 < daja77> hi rxr 00:23 < rxr> A-Tui: Please really consider upgrading to 1.7 aka 2.0 00:23 < A-Tui> tonigh or tomorrow i will build ROCK 1.7 (i have the sources yet) 00:23 < rxr> daja77: if all goes well we have a powerpc ISO next week 00:24 < rxr> ager month wihout a powerpc box - today a 800Mhz 640MB iBook arrived 00:24 < rxr> a/ager/after/ ... 00:24 < daja77> rxr: bootable? 00:30 < rxr> I hope I have enougth time to _yes_ create a bootable ppc ROCK 2.0 ISO - just as we have for x86 00:30 < daja77> :) 00:30 < rxr> daja77: I'm still searching for sponsors for the powerpc port - are you interested ? 00:30 < Mike1> rxr if you also have time send me an iMak so i can test it here :) *vbeg* 00:31 < daja77> well, I'm not that rich, if you mean that, but I hope to have an iMac here soon 00:32 < Mike1> daja77: esden is rich tell him to give you one. 00:32 < daja77> Mike1: what is your problem with esden 00:32 < Mike1> daja77: no problem, just like to bug him... oftenly... 00:32 < Mike1> daja77: but we are good friends :) 00:33 < daja77> Mike1: he helped me with my target :) 00:33 < Mike1> daja77: yeah he is nice always helping :) 00:33 < daja77> yeah, even if made such a stupid mistake :) 00:35 < rxr> hm? ;-) 00:36 < rxr> I was just joking - still searching for a new laptop - and considering an iBook or Powerbook ... ;-) 00:36 < rxr> but we had this some days ago ;) 00:36 < daja77> rxr: yeah, right, if the iMac arrives, I'd be glad to do some testing on the ppc port 00:40 < rxr> sure - but when my brother takes his new high-tech iBook next week, the powerpc development will be dead again - I guess until I may decide to buy one ... 00:41 < daja77> maybe you should ask apple 00:41 < rxr> hm do you really think they will read such a mail to it's end ? 00:42 < rxr> I tried with AMD last year - to get into the x86-64 program ... :-( 00:42 < daja77> why not, I know a guy who is developing for NetBSD (not core), he gets every new toshiba laptop just to test if NetBSD runs on it 00:43 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has joined #rocklinux 00:44 < sten> hi, anyone here? 00:44 < rxr> sten: sure 00:45 < daja77> anyway apple used to support linux in the past 00:45 < rxr> daja77: argh ?!?!? Really ???? 00:45 < sten> rxr: sometimes you'll find a channel where everyone's afk ;-) 00:45 * rxr would like to get every new Thinkpad to verify ROCK Linux ... 00:45 < sten> daja77: wasn't that project called mklinux, or something similar? 00:45 < rxr> sten: jups .-( 00:46 < daja77> rxr: the NetBSD guy, yes that's true, I can't remember if he got laptops from other vendors as well 00:47 < rxr> why do I buy hardware, when core developer of other OSs get hardware for free ?!?! 00:47 < daja77> dunno, maybe we should be more clever ;) 00:48 * rxr stops planing a dual Athlon64 - waiting for AMD to ship it 4free .... ;-) 00:48 < daja77> well, I don't think that he could keep all the laptops 00:50 < rxr> :-( 00:50 < sten> hmm, anyone thing that loaning out sponsored laptops to the most productive developers would make a project fly? 00:50 < daja77> rxr: doesn't matter, but you'll have the latest model to play around 00:51 < daja77> sten: maybe not fly, but it would improve, especially the ppc port would do better 00:52 < rxr> any port 00:52 < sten> daja77: maybe IBM could give us some ppc thinkpads ;-) 00:52 < daja77> are there any? 00:52 < rxr> I buyed a Ultra SPARC U5 last year - but is that slow that ROCK development does not improave that much ... 00:52 < sten> daja77: no, it'd be an experiment for migrating their product line to a different arch 00:52 < rxr> any glibc modification to test takes > 3-4 hours ... 00:53 < rxr> XFree86 takes 6-8 hours ... 00:53 < daja77> rxr: glibc is evil :( 00:53 < rxr> a complete ROCK desktop build takes > 1 1/2 weeks .... 00:53 < daja77> maybe a cross compilation would do better 00:54 < rxr> but most packages are not cross-compile aware 00:54 < rxr> Cliff and I plan cross compile improvements for ROCK Linux 3.0 (next stable after 3.0) ... 00:54 < rxr> but on the other hand: Why should I spent time for and such slow platform I would never use to do every day work on? 00:55 < rxr> I have no direct gain from doing Ultra SPARC work ... 00:55 * daja77 likes the idea of crosscompiling everything on his athlon 00:55 < daja77> hmmm, that's true 00:56 < rxr> If some company would step up to pay for the use of the SPARC port this would be easier ... 00:56 < daja77> sure 00:56 < daja77> unfortenatly sun is not interested that much in linux 00:57 < rxr> the x86 and powerpc thing is different. Many people around me use it - so it is at least a satisfaction to see Berlin getting converted to ROCK - but SPARC? I have not seen any SPARC box aside from my own - and some dusty ones at our university ... 00:57 < Mike1> daja77: only on Sun Linux 00:57 < rxr> Mike1: no - they abondone this 00:58 < daja77> Mike1: there are only interested in Slowlartus afaik 00:58 < Mike1> 0_o 00:58 < Mike1> when did this happen? where have i been? 00:59 < daja77> rxr: we have new sparc smp machines at university 00:59 * Mike1 should stop drinking now. 00:59 < sten> speaking of the distro itself... It's been 1.5 years since I used ROCK. (I was trying to help Gentoo, since I felt that portage had potiential, but left because they don't have a conservative enough development model) Has anything huge changed? 00:59 < daja77> Mike1: hehe, need a coffee? 00:59 < Mike1> 1.5 years ... sten 1.7 is completely different from 1.5 which was what you used back then 01:00 < sten> the entire comp-sci branch of my university runs sparcs. (no MS whatsoever) 01:00 < Mike1> daja77: no i need to know when did they abandoned that and how come i didn't know! 01:00 < daja77> Mike1: some days ago, I'll look it up if you like 01:00 < sten> Mike1: do we have package dependencies yet? (pre-compile) 01:01 * sten starts rtfm 01:01 < Mike1> sten: we do have our package manager 'Mine' 01:01 < Mike1> sten: good do to. 01:01 < sten> Mike1: whoa, a package manager!!! ;-) 01:01 < Mike1> sten: yup 01:01 < Mike1> sten: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 01:02 < Mike1> sten: you sure have a lot to see :) 01:03 < rxr> sten: we have dependencies - auto-generated post compile 01:03 < rxr> but they are cached and after the first initial bootstrap are presnet now 01:03 < rxr> for pre-compile selections ... 01:04 < sten> Mike1: I'll say... (still boggling over a package manager) Unfortunately, I was seduced by kde 3.1.x (but not their new eyecandy, just the integration) Do I have to use dRock for kde? 01:04 < Mike1> sten: we no longer have the dROCK vs ROCK thing 01:04 < sten> huh, "selection of an init-style" You can choose sysV or BSD? 01:04 < Mike1> dROCK is now called the desktop target of rock 01:05 < Mike1> sten: we use target so if you are looking for desktop stuff use the desktop target 01:05 < daja77> sten: no only the output 01:05 < Mike1> sten: or simple go for the gneric target which will also have kde 01:05 < sten> daja77: still, that's pretty nifty 01:06 * daja77 is dreaming of minit style 01:06 < rxr> daja77: sten: new init files can be added - and this might get some rework after the 2.0 release to support really different styles of init 01:06 * sten feels a maniacal grin growing on his face as he thinks about ROCK 01:06 < rxr> daja77: this is on the todo - feel free to adapt all the existing infrastructure to make this possible 01:07 < daja77> rxr: sure, if I have time to spend on this I'll help to make this possible 01:07 < Mike1> sten: so what do you think has it chaged? 01:08 < Mike1> changed* 01:08 < daja77> Mike1: https://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,981353,00.asp 01:09 < sten> Mike1: has it ever... It seems that ROCK has grown up. I suppose rock-src doesn't break regularly anymore either. ;-) 01:09 < rxr> should I click on "hireing events" on the Apple page ? *g* 01:09 < Mike1> daja77: thx 01:10 < daja77> rxr: try it :) 01:10 < sten> how stable is the 1.7 tree? 01:11 < rxr> more stable then 1.6-preX 01:11 < Mike1> sten: 13 borken packages report on the desktop target. 01:11 < rxr> not as stable as the old dRock tree - but nearly reached the stability of dRock ... 01:12 < rxr> stable release scheduled for the next 4-6(8?) weeks ... 01:12 < daja77> rxr: can I help resolving package conflicts like cups and LPRng? 01:13 < sten> rxr: why do you mention dRock now? Would it be better to wait for it's 2.0 release? 01:14 < sten> I read that it has "desktop needs tuned kernel config". Is this a simple preempt patch? 01:16 < sten> or is it completely merged into the the desktop target? (I'm still having trouble catching up ;-) 01:19 < Mike1> 0_o rocklinux.org is down? 01:20 -!- rxr_ [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:20 < rxr_> hi from the poerpc 01:20 < sten> Mike1: works for me 01:20 -!- rxr_ is now known as rxr_mac 01:20 < Mike1> sten: ok thx 01:21 < daja77> huhu rxr_mac, how things are on the mac? 01:21 < rxr_mac> hm ydl obviosly sucks 01:21 < rxr_mac> but I'll have my last ROCK build on it very soon 01:23 * rxr_mac building a new mktemp 01:24 < rxr> sten: dRock _is_ merged into ROCK Linux 1.7 (aka 2.0) 01:25 < rxr> the 2.0's dekstop target is not patching the kernel - it is simple changing some options in the config 01:25 < daja77> rxr: what's the big difference between drock target and generic? 01:26 < rxr> btw. the preemtion patch for 2.4 is a real no-do !!! Too many things are not preemtion aware in 2.4 - they had to do a lot of work to get this stable in 2.5. 01:26 < rxr> daja77: package selection - kernel options 01:26 < sten> rxr: oh, so ROCK it'll be. ;-) 01:26 < daja77> ah ok 01:26 < rxr> but in the future some packages might get changes 01:26 < rxr> like the sysklogd already has (see ML today). 01:27 < sten> rxr: maybe that's why I've been getting mysterious segfaults... 01:29 < rxr> hm - maybe ... - the last time I took a look the gentoo kernel was patched quite hefty ... 01:30 < sten> rxr: yeah, I don't like the gentoo kernel much... (I'm running vanilla 2.4.20 patched with preempt on slackware right now) 01:31 < sten> rxr: slackware's my backup, "if all else fails at least I can send email and get work done" 01:32 < sten> yay, rock-src-1.7 branch is done downloading 01:32 < rxr_mac> :-) 01:32 < rxr_mac> my last stable ROCK release is my backup :-) 01:33 * rxr_mac rsyncing existing ROCK ppc .gem binaries 01:33 < sten> .gem? 01:33 < rxr_mac> huh 01:34 < sten> you said "rsyncing existing ROCK ppc .gem binaries" What's a ".gem"? 01:34 < rxr_mac> the yellow dog linux 's top output is different - the guys patched top ???? 01:34 < rxr_mac> .gem is the ROCK 1.7 package format 01:34 < daja77> *argh* 01:35 < rxr_mac> tar.bz2 surrounded by versin,description,dependeny information ;-) 01:35 * sten has some catching up to do 01:35 < rxr_mac> daja77: argh ?? 01:35 < daja77> rxr_mac: just reacted to your comment about top 01:35 < sten> rxr_mac: can't wait to check out how it's implemented 01:36 < rxr_mac> daja77: ah yes ydl is one of the most stupid dists - but the only one that was able to install at least bootable on an iBook last december ... 01:36 < rxr_mac> so I also used it this time ... 01:37 < rxr_mac> but next week we'll have some more ROCK ppc progress ... 01:38 < rxr_mac> dia installing 01:38 < rxr_mac> electricfence 01:38 < rxr_mac> emacs 01:38 * daja77 quite likes dia 01:39 < rxr_mac> sodipodi got really usefull 01:39 < rxr_mac> did you tried it out? 01:39 < rxr_mac> exim installing 01:39 < rxr_mac> gaim 01:39 < daja77> rxr_mac: I did a year ago or so 01:40 < sten> rxr_mac: isn't postfix more secure then exim? 01:40 < rxr_mac> the did much you won't recognize it. 01:40 < rxr_mac> sten: uh a difficult question 01:40 < rxr_mac> don"t know - but I like exim so I stay with it ... 01:40 < daja77> rxr_mac: meanwhile I returned using xfig 01:41 < rxr_mac> we have sendmail, postfix and exim in ROCK - maybe more 01:41 < rxr_mac> glib20 installing 01:41 < sten> rxr_mac: yeah, it does depend on configuration... ;-) (postfix intuitively makes sense to me) 01:42 < rxr_mac> exim makes sense for me - but sendmail doesn't, so I don't use it ... 01:42 < rxr_mac> gnome-games scrolling by 01:42 < sten> I tried to configure senmail once... 01:42 < sten> *sendmail* 01:44 < rxr> my UltrsSPARC build: 01:44 < rxr> 582 builds total, 413 completed fine, 32 with errors. 01:45 < rxr> rror logs from system-1.7-snapshot-sparc-v9-32-desktop-expert: 01:45 < rxr> [1] base/dietlibc [1] base/curl 01:45 < rxr> [3] base/dietlibc [3] base/strace 01:45 < rxr> [5] base/gdb [5] base/mtools 01:45 < rxr> [5] base/alsa [5] rene/lm_sensors 01:45 < rxr> [5] rene/jack [5] x11/tcltk 01:45 < rxr> [5] rene/emacs-xemacs-shared [5] gnome2/libbonobouimm14 01:45 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gstreamer10 [5] gnome2/gst-plugins10 01:45 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gtk-perl10 [5] gnome2/bug-buddy22 01:45 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gnomemm-all20 [5] gnome2/gnome-media22 01:45 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gnome-nautilus-media [5] x11/mozilla 01:45 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gimp14 [5] rene/sylpheed 01:45 < rxr> [5] rene/xzgv [5] gnome2/gnumeric12 01:45 < rxr> [5] rene/avifile [5] rene/ogle 01:45 < rxr> [5] rene/gamix [5] rene/gsmp 01:45 < rxr> [5] tibit/ctags [5] rene/kdevelop 01:45 < rxr> [5] rene/kmatplot [5] clifford/sweep 01:46 < sten> gimp14? Is that the 1.3 branch? 01:46 < rxr> sten: yes 01:46 < rxr> oops quick look into mozilla: 01:46 < rxr> gcc-3 -o s_ceil.o -c -DOSTYPE=\"Linux2.4\" -DOSARCH=\"Linux\" -DOJI -I../../../dist/include/js -I../../../dist/ 01:46 < rxr> include -I/R.src/mozilla/dist/include/nspr -I/usr/X11R6/include -fPIC -I/usr/X11R6/include -Wall -W -Wno-u 01:46 < rxr> nused -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wno-long-long -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O2 -D_IEEE_LIBM -I/usr/X11 01:46 < rxr> R6/include -include ../../../mozilla-config.h -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -Wp,-MD,.deps/s_ceil.pp s_ceil.c 01:46 < Mike1> rxr nice _FLOOD_ 01:46 < rxr> e_pow.c:376: internal error: Segmentation fault 01:46 < rxr> Please submit a full bug report, 01:46 < rxr> with preprocessed source if appropriate. 01:46 < rxr> hm - seems like the v9 optimizing gcc-3.2.2 has problems on sparc ... 01:47 < rxr> See <URL:https://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/bugs.html> for instructions. 01:47 < rxr> Mike1: this way my chat stat gets a hich rating ;-) *lol* 01:47 < rxr> I just want to keep you guys awake ... 01:47 < Mike1> arrgg 01:48 * Mike1 getting ready to paste his vainilla kernel compile output to help keeping everyone awake ... ;-) 01:48 < daja77> should I post my messages file *g* 01:48 < Mike1> *g 01:49 < rxr> this was all ROCK related and informative *g* 01:49 < Mike1> rxr hehe 01:49 < rxr_mac> kdelibs installing here ... 01:49 < rxr_mac> boring 01:49 < Mike1> Creating the router ramdisk... 01:49 < Mike1> -> Creating the directory structure. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Copying program binaries. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Copy entire iproute2 package. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Copy entire iptables package. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Copying library files. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Copying kernel modules. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Create init script. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Creating initrd image. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Copy kernel image. 01:49 < rxr_mac> *lol* 01:49 < Mike1> -> Create isolinux setup. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Create iso description. 01:49 < Mike1> -> Cleaning up. 01:49 < Mike1> he! ROCK Router Linux build comple :) 01:50 < rxr_mac> Mike1: you are the first one screaming for SPARC binaries ... 01:50 < rxr_mac> don't make you mentor angry 01:50 < Mike1> Oh master rxr_mac i don't want to make you angry 01:50 * sten just found/remembered ./scripts/Create-ISO ;-) 01:50 < Mike1> i'm just trying to provide some information about router target :) 01:51 < rxr_mac> sten: it is a new one - the old one was named Create-CD IIRC ... 01:52 < sten> rxr_mac: yeah, that sounds about right 01:52 < rxr_mac> the new one automatically spreads the content over multiple discs - including multiple boot-sections 01:52 < sten> rxr_mac: multiple boot-sectors? Each disk has kernel and rescue? 01:53 < rxr_mac> hm - the install stresses the iBook - it starts getting warm :-) 01:53 < sten> rxr_mac: I didn't know iBooks got warm. (I thought they were one of the coolest laptops) 01:53 < rxr_mac> no the first one might get the normal install boot stuff, the second a rescue system and the third a live-demo ... (which is still on my todo) 01:54 < sten> rxr_mac: I see, you can *choose* which to boot 01:54 < Mike1> Ren router iso - 5.5mb 01:54 < rxr_mac> sten: sure - the are cold and do not make any noise if they are used normal (normal desktop stuff) but when you utilize the CPU 100% they first get warm - and then the fan starts ... 01:55 < rxr_mac> sten: jups - by placing the correct CD in the drive 01:55 < sten> rxr_mac: didn't know they had fans either. How do you like the keyboard feel of it? 01:55 < daja77> does this means that they are not made for real stuff 01:55 < rxr_mac> the nice thing is that the rescue CD or the live CD (or whatever) might get filled with the package data for the normal installation. 01:55 < rxr_mac> it is not a fixed target per CD thing. 01:56 < sten> rxr_mac: ohhhhh. That's a really good idea 01:56 < rxr_mac> daja77: they are made for real stuff - but at some time they need some cooling, too. But then they are still quite ... 01:56 < rxr_mac> qt deflating here ... 01:58 < rxr_mac> I permanetnly used a friends iBook one week to bootstrap a ROCK on ydl and then bootstrapped ROCK on ROCK. 01:58 < sten> rxr_mac: why the second bootstrap? 01:58 < rxr_mac> without a single power-off - and the fan never spun up - but it got warm (but only to a degree my low-end Gericom also reaches _with_ fan) 01:59 < rxr_mac> sten: because not all built the first turn - and I wanted to have clean packages. ... 02:00 < rxr_mac> subversion ... 02:01 < sten> rxr_mac: do you think 1.7 will bootstrap without errors at this point in time? 02:02 < rxr_mac> only minor errors 02:02 < sten> rxr_mac: "minor errors"? 02:02 < rxr_mac> as Mike1 posted arround 20 packages or so might fail 02:02 < daja77> yeah, who needs perl5 02:03 < rxr_mac> depending also whether you choose generic or desktop target 02:03 < rxr_mac> perl5? Only in a rebuild stage ... 02:03 < rxr_mac> and it is installed at this time - IIRC only shared files .... 02:04 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has quit ("brb, rebooting with a clean (no preempt) kernel to bootstrap") 02:04 < daja77> ah yes, this shared files thing is evil :( 02:04 < rxr_mac> why ? 02:05 < Mike1> https://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/ROCK/1.7/ 02:05 < daja77> I found it annoying that LPRng builds on cups not 02:05 < Mike1> Get ROCK Router Linux there 02:06 < rxr_mac> deflate finished 02:13 < Mike1> rxr_mac: ROCK Router build, boot, and routes!!!!! 02:13 * Mike1 is jumping around like crazy 02:14 < rxr_mac> the one from CVS - or did you modified s.th. ?? 02:14 < Mike1> i modified some stuff 02:14 < Mike1> CVS is broken 02:14 < Mike1> will send a patch to fix it :) 02:17 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has joined #rocklinux 02:17 < sten> had a bit of devfs gliches, but I'm back, and ready to bootstrap 02:18 * sten imediates recedes into a corner to rtfm (the new one) 02:19 < rxr_mac> ok cu tomorrow 02:19 < rxr_mac> n8 02:19 -!- rxr_mac [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("leaving") 02:22 < daja77> I'm goin to bed now, cu tomorrow 02:22 < sten> night 02:23 < rxr> n8 from here too ;-) 02:23 < daja77> n8 rxr 02:23 < rxr> the iBook it now compiing some initual ROCK files again - to boot into ROCK tomorrow ... 02:23 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("leaving") 02:24 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-071-116.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:24 < sten> wow, config/default/config is a LOT longer these days 02:26 < sten> whoa, auto-detection of mirrors... 02:26 < Mike1> sten: enjoying it? 02:26 < sten> Mike1: it's amazing 02:26 < sten> ;-) 02:27 < Mike1> sten: is it anything like gentoo? 02:27 < sten> how much does ./scripts/Download -required download anyways? About 200mb? 02:28 < Mike1> sten for generic target? 02:28 * Mike1 laughts 02:28 < Mike1> it needs 1.2gb 02:28 < sten> Mike1: well, gentoo strikes me as very American in its philosophy. (eg: fast cars, not very good manuverability, not the best workmanship, but still, fast cars) 02:29 * Mike1 prefer european cars :) 02:29 < sten> yup ;-) 02:29 < Mike1> sten: sudenly some names come to my mind... bmw, ferrari.. 02:30 < Mike1> :) 02:30 < sten> Japanese cars aren't all that bad if you're on a budget. (I'm a Canadian...neither European, or American, or Asian, or...) 02:31 < sten> Mike1: were you serious about needing 1.2 gigs for a base install? 02:31 < sten> Mike1: of bandwidth, that is 02:32 < Mike1> sten: if you just get -required as is from generic yes ia mserious it get up to 1.2gb 02:33 < Mike1> of course you can possible rm -rf package/<repos>/ 02:33 < Mike1> to remove any repos you don't want to download 02:33 < Mike1> or even removed the packages :) 02:33 < Mike1> dirty to do but works 02:33 < sten> Mike1: what exactly does -required download? 02:34 < Mike1> download all "required" packages for the target you selected 02:34 < Mike1> very usefull for lets say other targets eg desktop opr router. 02:34 < sten> Mike1: so it's not going to download gnome, or anything, right? 02:34 < A-Tui> xpdf install needs have printer set? 02:34 < Mike1> sten: in generic i will simple not download the packages for other archs than the one you will be building 02:35 < Mike1> sten: oh yes it is, but you can 'rm -rf package/gnome*' 02:35 < Mike1> and no gnome will be downloaded and or build :) 02:35 < Mike1> A-Tui: 0_o 02:35 < sten> what are all of those people's names for? 02:35 < Mike1> sten: those are repositories 02:36 < A-Tui> xpdf give me an error when building 02:36 < sten> Mike1: do I need them? 02:36 < Mike1> each one belongs to a developer whon maintain the packages stored inside the dir 02:36 < A-Tui> the build seems to try to exec lpr command 02:36 < Mike1> sten: some of those packages are nice to have but are not what iw ould call _basic_ 02:37 < Mike1> A-Tui: did you build lpr? 02:37 < A-Tui> yes i have lpr 02:37 < sten> Mike1: so they're like the private projects of the dir's respective developer? 02:37 < A-Tui> but i dont know in which package 02:37 < Mike1> sten not exactly 02:37 < sten> Mike1: packages they decided to contribute? 02:37 < sten> but leave optional 02:37 < Mike1> sten think of it as extensions in older rock versions 02:37 < sten> ? 02:37 < sten> ohhhh 02:38 * sten is still catching up 02:38 < Mike1> sten but better maintained than extensions on the old rock versions 02:38 < A-Tui> i build cups package 02:38 < Mike1> A-Tui: 1.7? 02:38 < A-Tui> 1.6 02:38 < Mike1> A-Tui: please report me any problems you have also send me patches so we get it fixed :) 02:39 * sten 's keeping rene for desktop target 02:39 < A-Tui> okas, i will try to build xpdf once time more 02:41 < sten> Mike1: this is really neat. Gentoo uses env variables to which can be used in build scripts, but I like this simple BSD'esque approach 02:41 < sten> (using dir's) 02:42 < sten> phew, almost forgot to run ./scripts/Puzzle 02:43 < Mike1> sten: you don't need to :) 02:43 < Mike1> sten: this is not 1.5 02:43 < sten> Mike1: crazy... 02:43 * sten is STILL catching up... 02:43 < Mike1> sten: believe me there is _ALOT_ to catch up 02:44 < Mike1> ok sten i most go now 02:44 < Mike1> need to go home. 02:44 < Mike1> n8 all 02:44 < sten> Mike1: ok. Thanks for the help/info/update 02:44 < sten> Mike1: n8 02:45 < Mike1> sten: we will continue tomorrow no worries :) 02:45 < sten> ok ;-) 02:45 * Mike1 gone 02:47 < sten> speaking of going... 02:47 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has quit ("[BX] The best part of waking up is BitchX in your cup") 02:52 < A-Tui> fail is in t1lib build, not in xpdf 02:54 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 03:38 -!- Demian [~demian@208.165.55.133] has joined #rocklinux 03:38 < Demian> hi 03:39 < Demian> could someone tell me where is libimap.so files ? (which pkg) 03:47 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 03:47 -!- Demian [~demian@208.165.55.133] has left #rocklinux () 05:08 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has joined #rocklinux 06:08 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has quit ("BitchX: the cure for the common client") 06:12 -!- Mike2 [mike@rocklinux.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:13 < Mike2> hi 06:13 -!- Mike2 [mike@rocklinux.de] has quit (Client Quit) 06:45 < blindcoder> moin 07:37 < esden> morgen ... 07:39 < esden> hmm ... the coffee tastes strange ... 07:43 < blindcoder> esden: there's a storm coming up... that's why the coffee tastes strange 07:43 < blindcoder> esden: moin btw ;) 07:43 < blindcoder> esden: I'm going to place an order at thinkgeek again: https://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/megatokyo/coolthings/5e98/ 07:44 < esden> ahh very good 07:45 < esden> I would like to have the MWN poster ;-) 07:45 < blindcoder> NWN poster? where? 07:45 < esden> no MWN 07:45 < esden> not NWN 07:45 < blindcoder> link? 07:45 < esden> mom 07:46 < esden> the link you posted 07:47 < esden> it is called MWN 07:47 < esden> take a look at merekatcreations site ;-) 07:47 < blindcoder> I know it as Endgames.. okayy, I'll order 2 then :) 07:47 < kasc> moin 07:47 < esden> moin kasc 07:47 < blindcoder> moin kasc 07:47 < esden> I can not wait for the broken miho poster ;-) 07:48 < esden> I want it NOW 07:48 < blindcoder> esden: I'm still waiting with the order cause the MT Novel should become available during the day... 07:48 < esden> ahh good ... so you can order the novel for me too ;-) 07:49 < blindcoder> hehe :) 07:49 < kasc> MT Novel 07:50 < kasc> ? 07:50 < blindcoder> https://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/megatokyo/coolthings/5c2a/ 07:51 < esden> grr ... from wich anime is that tune >_< 07:51 < esden> CCS ??? 07:51 < esden> hmm 07:51 < blindcoder> which tune? 07:51 < blindcoder> esden: have you tried the stream ripper yet? 07:52 < esden> no not yet .. but it is not usable here .. because I do not get the titles ... they are beeing sent udp or so ... and I do not get them through the proxy >_< 07:52 < blindcoder> hmm... I do.... strange 07:53 < blindcoder> I use transconnect with xmms... and I get the titles 07:55 < esden> transconnect would not help with aniverse ... it is running on port 3000 07:56 < blindcoder> hmm... I can use it here... and also nectarine 07:56 < blindcoder> but aniverse is sloooow 07:56 < esden> not at the moment 07:56 < esden> and in the night it is hearable ;-) 09:03 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has joined #rocklinux 09:20 < _NULL> morning 09:21 < blindcoder> moin 09:36 < sten> there are people here ;-) 09:36 < _NULL> hi sten 09:36 < _NULL> yeah... sure... 09:37 < sten> it's great to be using ROCK again... (I haven't used it since 1.3.x) 09:37 < blindcoder> sten: smoetimes... 09:40 < sten> so what are you opinions on the low-latency patch? I've been reading about it, and it looks like it breaks less then preempt 09:46 -!- _snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:49 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Connection reset by peer) 09:50 < sten> quietest channel I've ever been in... It's about 9am in Germany, right? 09:51 < _NULL> 09:51 a.m. 09:52 -!- tfing_ [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has joined #rocklinux 09:52 < sten> almost. I suppose it's a bit early for most students / employed. 09:52 < blindcoder> well, I'm at work for 3.5 hours now 09:53 < _NULL> and /me for about 1 hour 09:53 < blindcoder> brb... phone 09:53 < sten> I didn't it that way. Just thought that not very many people would be on irc from work/school. 09:54 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:55 < _NULL> ah. k. ;) 09:57 < sten> heh, it looks like I can barely speak English tonight... ("didn't it that way") ;-) 09:59 < _NULL> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! this programming language will cause my dead! help! fscking c#! 10:00 < sten> is it your first language? 10:01 < sten> (I'm working on C++ homework as we speak. My first language) 10:02 < _NULL> sten: no. i speak: c/c++/c#/java/visual basic/html/java script 10:02 < sten> _NULL: can't C# act as some sort of wrapper around any of those? 10:04 * sten thought that was one of it's main selling points 10:04 < _NULL> sten: you ask me questions... i'm one of those people who have to learn the programming language without books, help or whatever. 10:04 < _NULL> i'm forced to code applications completly with c#/.ARG 10:04 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:05 < _NULL> hi rxr 10:05 < blindcoder> hi rxr 10:08 < sten> _NULL: I found a tutorial covering from hello world to polymorphism, delegates, and exceptions. (in english) Do you want the link? 10:08 < _NULL> jup. would be great. thx :) 10:08 < rxr> hi all 10:09 < sten> _NULL: https://www.softsteel.co.uk/tutorials/cSharp/cIndex.html 10:10 < _NULL> ok. thx 10:11 < sten> np. hope that it's useful 10:13 * sten notices lilo failed to build, as expected. (building from a running slackware system) 10:14 < _NULL> 1.7? 10:14 < sten> yup. It's easy to fix though. (nasm was missing) I can always boot from a floppy the first time ;-) 10:15 < _NULL> hm. k. 10:17 < sten> ROCK builds so much smoother then it did two years ago 10:18 < rxr> sten: nice to hear !! 10:20 < sten> the funny thing is, after a year with Gentoo, and a brief stint with Slackware, I was ready to go back to ROCK ala 1.3. I'm still wow'ing as I catch up on everything that's changed. (like an actual package manager!) 10:22 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-072-112.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:22 < sten> (yes, curse me for leaving in the first place) 10:22 < daja77> hi sten, all 10:22 < sten> hi daja77 10:23 * daja77 curses sten 10:23 < sten> _NULL: lilo will get rebuild in stage 5, so now that nasm's installed, it'll work the way it should 10:24 < _NULL> hi daja77 10:24 < _NULL> hmhm. we will see 10:24 < daja77> hi _NULL 10:25 < sten> daja77: what can I say, I was young and impatient. (package doesn't build? mke2fs the unruly os!) 10:25 < daja77> *g* 10:26 < blindcoder> sten: now you've lost youth :) *j-k* 10:27 < daja77> moin blindcoder, still alive, ic 10:27 < rxr> the iBook has already running ROCK natively 10:27 < sten> blindcoder: ;-) It was recently that time of year when people are reminded that they're a little less youthful 10:28 < daja77> rxr: hi, and congrats 10:28 < sten> rxr: ydl's gone for good now ;-) 10:28 < daja77> sten: happy birthday ;) 10:28 < blindcoder> daja77: yes... I just have no luck :( 10:28 < rxr> sten: not yet gone - it is still hosting yaboot ... ;-) 10:28 < blindcoder> sten: I'm really sorry to hear that :) 10:28 < sten> daja77: thanks ;-) 10:28 < rxr> But will go tonight ;-) 10:29 -!- _snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:30 < daja77> hey, my presentation made it to the rock linux hp 10:32 < rxr> ;-) 10:33 < sten> daja77: cool. (I'm still looking, but can't find it. URL?) 10:33 < daja77> sten: https://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/home/start.php?gi=lectures&li=ltagrock but it is german 10:33 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:34 < sten> daja77: I'll see if babelfish can help a bit 10:34 < daja77> ok then go for html version 10:36 < sten> what does "skirt" mean? 10:37 < daja77> huh? 10:37 < sten> must be a bad translation... babelfish titled your report "Skirt Linux" hehe 10:37 < daja77> *rofl* 10:37 < _NULL> haeh??? 10:37 < _NULL> skirt linux? 10:38 < daja77> yeah, rock im german is skirt in english 10:38 < daja77> _NULL: trägst Du nie einen Rock? 10:39 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, Lorini_ 10:39 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:39 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has joined #rocklinux 10:39 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:40 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rolla 10:40 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has joined #rocklinux 10:42 < sten> what does "begeisterungsfaehe users" mean? 10:43 < blindcoder> begeisterungsfaehige... encourageable users? 10:43 < daja77> hmm maybe 10:44 < sten> ok, that makes more sense. brave, or adventurous users maybe? 10:44 < daja77> Begeisterungsfähigkeit {f} [psych.]surgency 10:44 < daja77> enthusiasm 10:45 < sten> ahhh. 10:47 < daja77> maybe we should adopt the name skirt linux as subtitle ;) 10:47 < blindcoder> hmm... 10:47 < sten> next to "Better then SEX" banner, no doubt 10:47 < blindcoder> maybe we can branch ROCK Linux at 2.0 and call the branch Skirt Linux :D 10:48 < sten> ;-) 10:48 < daja77> yeah, that would be fun 10:49 < sten> that'd make a nifty easter egg, if nothing else. "Skirt" target anyone? 10:49 < daja77> sten: you are straight forward, eh 10:50 < sten> daja77: just realized how crude that was getting ;-( 10:50 < blindcoder> urks... 10:50 < blindcoder> compiling GLUT on a 800 MHz machine... 10:51 < daja77> what's the matter with it? 10:51 < sten> blindcoder: yes, I am worried now. (I'm on a 750) 10:53 < daja77> sten: have a nice rock compiling week ;) 10:54 < blindcoder> muahaha 10:54 < blindcoder> hmm... complete ROCK 1.7 takes about 4 days on my 1.8 GHz machine 10:54 < daja77> it takes 2 on my 1800Mhz Athlon (including stage 9) 10:55 < sten> complete? I'm only target desktop, which is smaller, right? 10:55 < blindcoder> yes... a bit... 10:57 < sten> I'm almost to stage 3/chroot now, and it's been compiling for six hours. After chroot, it doesn't need to compile gcc/glibc again, right? 10:57 < blindcoder> erm... yes it doesn 10:57 < daja77> wait for gnome and kde ;) 10:58 < blindcoder> in stage 5 and 9 10:58 < sten> daja77: I know kde compiles in 12 hours....oh yeah, it compiles gnome too 10:58 < daja77> if you do stage 9 you can double everything 10:59 < sten> blindcoder: does stage 5 have a name? 10:59 < blindcoder> I don't think so 10:59 < sten> daja77: yeah, that stage is huge. I see the point though. 11:00 < sten> daja77: (of the stage) It's something I used to do "just in case" a long time ago anyway 11:03 * BOFH_org is back (gone 17:48:56) 11:03 < daja77> re BOFH_org 11:04 -!- Lorini_ [~andrea@p3EE219C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:04 < _NULL> hi BOFH_org 11:04 -!- tibit_ [~tibit@p508AAE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:04 < _NULL> hi Lorini_ 11:04 < _NULL> and tibit_ 11:04 < daja77> ah _NULL thought you vanished ;) 11:05 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:06 < _NULL> daja77: ??? 11:07 < daja77> _NULL: don't worry 11:07 < _NULL> sppry ,y brain ist not able to translate soemething , still 11:07 < _NULL> gnaaa... adn uster can't type 11:07 < sten> well, gotta go. Nice talking to everyone 11:07 < daja77> _NULL: ic reboot yourself 11:07 < daja77> bye sten 11:08 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has quit ("" "") 11:09 < _NULL> daja77: failed 11:09 < daja77> shutdown -r _NULL now 11:09 < _NULL> CRC error 11:10 < _NULL> user dead 11:10 < daja77> and talking, come on 11:10 < _NULL> cold cappuccino - *shivers* 11:10 < daja77> *urgs* 11:12 < _NULL> copy java code, paste it in visual studio.ARG... build it... the 'java' code runs *vbeg* nice copied, M$ 11:13 < daja77> *rofl* 11:13 * daja77 is off now 11:15 < _NULL> bye daja77 11:15 < BOFH_org> hey guys and gals 11:16 -!- tibit [~tibit@p508ABCDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:16 < _NULL> aeh. i'm a girl! 11:18 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p50908D27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:18 < kasc_> moin 11:20 < rxr> hi kasc_ 11:22 < _NULL> hi kasc_ 11:28 < kasc_> daja77: you here? 11:30 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090954D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:32 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 11:52 < Lorini_> good morning.. ! 11:53 < BOFH_org> morning Lorini_ 11:57 < kasc> moin Lorini_ 11:59 < blindcoder> hi Lori! 12:01 < Lorini_> ui :) 12:01 -!- Lorini_ is now known as Lorini 12:09 < daja77> kasc: what's up? 12:09 < kasc> daja77: when are you going to start your trip? 12:10 < daja77> tomorrow at 6.00 12:11 < kasc> do you still have the phoneNo from the youth hostel you booked? 12:11 < daja77> mom 12:11 < kasc> my next test is tuesday in a week not next week :) 12:11 < daja77> hehe, great 12:12 < daja77> you might book online if you like 12:13 < kasc> i prefer speaking to them 12:13 < daja77> they have no phone number on the hp, checking my mobile ;) 12:15 < kasc> Leiterstr.10 <-- that one? 12:16 < daja77> yes 12:16 < daja77> if you book online, you don't need a membership card 12:16 < kasc> i have one anyways ;) 12:16 < daja77> hehe, /me not 12:17 < daja77> try 03915321010, I think it is the number of the tourist info, but I might be wrong 12:18 * rxr off to work now - cu 12:18 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("leaving") 12:18 < kasc> thx 12:18 < daja77> kasc: if you want to spot me, watch out for the maniac wheelchair driver ;) 12:19 < kasc> hehe 12:19 < blindcoder> red hat is sick... 12:19 < kasc> i'd better fix my ssh then till tomorow... 12:19 < daja77> blindcoder: tell news 12:19 < blindcoder> gcc3 installed... but no libstdc++.so.3 ... 12:19 < blindcoder> only the so.2 version... 12:20 < daja77> install compat-libstdc++ 12:20 < blindcoder> I can't install anythig here... well... I could install anything from ROCK but that's it :D 12:20 < blindcoder> not ROCK itself, though >_< 12:20 < daja77> kasc: bye and cu tomorrow 12:21 < daja77> blindcoder: rpm -ihv $wanted_rpm_package 12:21 < blindcoder> error: open of compat-libstdc++ failed: No such file or directory 12:22 < kasc> hopefully 12:22 < daja77> *argh* the package is called compat-* not the files 12:22 < blindcoder> daja77: you're talking to someone who never ever used rpm before... 12:23 < daja77> ok then ask me 12:23 < blindcoder> where can I get an rpm that contains stdc++.so.3 and how do I install it? 12:24 < blindcoder> without the Red Hat CDs 12:24 < daja77> which version? 12:25 < blindcoder> Red Hat 7.2 12:26 < kasc> daja77: when will you arrive there? 12:26 < daja77> I hope I'll be there at 9.00 12:26 < kasc> 8:52 by chance? 12:26 < daja77> huh? 12:27 * kasc 's currently looking for train connections ;) 12:27 < daja77> ah ok 12:27 < kasc> or do you go by car? 12:27 < daja77> I go by car 12:27 < kasc> ic 12:27 * daja77 is known as the helldriver :) 12:28 < blindcoder> daja77: hehe. my driving style was once described as... "interesting" 12:28 < blindcoder> daja77: or if you put it diferently: "Benjamin... every time I get out of your car I'm glad I'm alive" 12:29 < kasc> could you give me that url for the linuxtag again, pls? looks like i forgot bookmarking it :/ 12:29 < daja77> blindcoder: https://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/ftp-home/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/libstdc++3-3.0.1-3.i386.rpm 12:29 < kasc> blindcoder: did anyone kiss the ground after getting outta your car? *g* 12:30 < daja77> kasc: https://mdlug.de the bg button :) 12:30 < blindcoder> kasc: actually, martina did 12:30 < daja77> big even 12:30 < blindcoder> daja77: thanks :) 12:30 < daja77> installing: rpm -ihv libstdc++3-3.0.1-3.i386.rpm 12:31 < daja77> you can get a devel package as well on the same location 12:31 < blindcoder> okay, thanks 12:32 < daja77> well, I'm off again 12:34 < blindcoder> WEE! The power of Software Rendering :D 12:36 < blindcoder> ah, I'm so glad I modified XMMS 12:36 < blindcoder> finally an easy way to get cool songs :D 12:37 < _NULL> <-- getting something eatable. brb 12:38 < blindcoder> Weidmanns Heil! 12:38 < _NULL> thx. 12:54 < _NULL> re 12:57 < kasc> anyone else going to be there tomorrow? 13:01 < blindcoder> no 13:01 < blindcoder> _NULL: wb 13:01 < _NULL> thx 13:02 < Lorini> kasc: where? 13:05 < kasc> Lorini: 4. Linuxtag in Magdeburg 13:05 < Lorini> oh 13:19 * blindcoder also found something to eat right now! WEE! 13:24 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit ("Client Exiting") 13:25 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 13:38 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit ("Client Exiting") 13:39 * daja77 materializes in front of screen 13:39 < daja77> kasc: I reserved a ticket for their party 13:41 < _NULL> gnaaaa. snow in munich! wtf?!!! 13:41 < daja77> _NULL: hehe 13:41 < daja77> sunshine here 13:42 < _NULL> blue sky with some clouds and snow. heeelp! 13:42 * daja77 is looking for a snowman construction kit for owl 13:43 < daja77> *rofl* https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/tol-04.04.03-000/ 13:44 < blindcoder> WHAT? 13:44 < blindcoder> SNOW? 13:44 < blindcoder> WHERE? 13:44 < blindcoder> owlbright sunshine here in Sendling... 13:44 < blindcoder> omg... heise... 13:44 < daja77> yeah but nice message 13:45 < blindcoder> damn... it's a fake >_< 13:45 < daja77> hehe 13:45 < blindcoder> I just wonder why the Quotes dropped... IMO they should have skyrocketed 13:46 < _NULL> blindcoder: here it's still snowing a bit... 13:46 < daja77> because traders are dumb 13:46 < blindcoder> _NULL: where is "here"? 13:46 < blindcoder> daja77: yes, indeed 13:47 < _NULL> blindcoder: "here" is 80637 munich 13:47 < daja77> postfach? 13:47 < blindcoder> _NULL: wie heisst das Viertel? 13:48 < blindcoder> Sendling? Solln? Moosach? 13:49 < _NULL> blindcoder: dunno. i know that it's not far away from moosach. it's about - 500 to 1000 metres far away from the "olympiastation" 13:50 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 13:51 * daja77 is goin for food :) 13:52 < blindcoder> _NULL: okay, then t's another part of munich than I am in :D 13:54 < _NULL> blindcoder: k. 14:08 < kasc> daja77: what party? 14:14 < BOFH_org> 2.5 kernel complains about initscripts needing to be modified to call pdflush instead of bdflush. how and where should I modify that ? 14:17 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1A0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:18 < Lorini> hi Freak! 14:18 < _NULL> hi Freak 14:19 < Freak> hatschi. 14:19 < Freak> äh 14:19 < Freak> morgen. 14:19 < Lorini> moin :) 14:20 < Freak> wow ich hab grade nen netten effekt, dein name is verschwommen. 14:20 < Freak> aber nur ein Mal. 14:20 < Freak> ich hab nämlich grade mal *duck* mandrake 9.1 draufgeschmissen 14:20 < Lorini> mein name? 14:21 < Lorini> hm du machst komische sachen mit deinen sonderzeichen.. 14:21 < Freak> ja das sagen alle aber das is unicode ;P 14:21 < Lorini> oki :) für mich sind es weiterhin komische sachen 14:21 < Lorini> na wie gehts dir? 14:22 < BOFH_org> wer? 14:22 < Freak> der mit de' scher. 14:22 < Freak> . o O ( das war schwäbisch ) 14:22 < Lorini> hey freak ich hab grad gelesen dass wer in deiner nähe hamster abzugeben hätte :) 14:22 < BOFH_org> lol 14:23 < Lorini> willste nicht einen haben? 14:23 < BOFH_org> is german the preferred language in here ? 14:23 < Freak> Lorini: meinst du die schmecken meinem Kater oder wieso fragst du? 14:23 < Lorini> hm ok.. freak: do you want a hamster? 14:24 < Lorini> lol 14:24 < Freak> BOFH_org: it was kinda "accepted" to talk both english and german when I chatted here. 14:24 < Freak> BOFH_org: my answer in english: why, you think my cat would like 'em? 14:24 < blindcoder> Freak: it is if only german people are in here and is not limited to german 14:25 < BOFH_org> fair enough. it's just that my german isn't quite up to par 14:25 < blindcoder> but if other people are here then please speak english 14:25 < _NULL> (otherwise you will be killed ;) 14:25 < BOFH_org> I can read it, but writing is a whole different story 14:25 < Freak> blindcoder: I don't mind speaking english, I just gotta know if ppl speaking english-only are here. since he told me I switched so be quiet ;P 14:26 * Lorini is very quiet now 14:26 < BOFH_org> lol 14:26 < Freak> . o O ( I just thought writing "stfu" was too hard now ;) ) 14:26 < BOFH_org> as long as the language doesn't switch to cantonese I'll be happy 14:26 < Freak> heh 14:26 < blindcoder> Freak: there was no offense intended 14:27 < BOFH_org> someone in here toyed around w/ the development kernels ? 14:27 < Freak> blindcoder: I didnt intend to offend you neither, I was just kidding :) 14:27 < blindcoder> not yet 14:27 < BOFH_org> pity 14:56 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1A0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exciting") 14:58 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1A0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:58 < Freak> whoops.. 15:08 < daja77> hi Freak, Lorini 15:08 < Freak> hi 15:08 < Lorini> hi 15:09 < daja77> kasc: the party they give after the event :) 15:25 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("Serverwechsel") 15:27 -!- snyke [~snyke@62.245.214.132] has joined #rocklinux 15:28 < rolla> re 15:28 < daja77> hi rolla 15:28 < daja77> how is the fight rolla vs. gnome going? 15:30 < _NULL> hi rolla 15:34 < rolla> daja77: it has been done for a whil 15:34 < daja77> so you have won? 15:38 < rolla> sos 15:38 < daja77> rolla: what help do you need? 15:45 < rolla> nothing it is just that I had to use garnome :) 15:46 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:01 < kasc> daja77: does one need cards for that party? 16:02 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 16:03 < esden> re hi all 16:03 < esden> japan rap ... ROFL 16:04 < Lorini> hi esden 16:04 < esden> hi Lorini! 16:05 < Lorini> :) 16:05 < Lorini> how was your night? *g* 16:05 < esden> terrible ... I have slept very nervously ... and not long enough 16:05 < Lorini> hmm 16:06 < esden> and yours? 16:06 < _NULL> hi esden 16:06 < Lorini> mine.. long and dreamless :) 16:06 < esden> hi owl 16:06 < blindcoder> rehi esden 16:06 < esden> re blindcoder 16:06 < Lorini> huhu owl 16:06 < Lorini> .. and blindcoder 16:06 < blindcoder> hi Lori 16:07 < blindcoder> I'm so glad when I can get out of work today 16:07 < esden> Lorini: at least long ;-) 16:07 < Lorini> esden: *g* 16:09 * -> esden has to go back to learning >_< 16:09 < esden> *cry* 16:09 < Lorini> have fun :) 16:09 * blindcoder doesn't want to pick up the phone anymore *breakdown* 16:10 * Lorini is happy and has nothing to do.. *sing* 16:10 < esden> Lorini: thanks ... I will not have it .. but thanks anyway 16:10 < Lorini> i know, i know.. good luck 16:11 < esden> discrete structures suck ... *sigh* ... even if it is interesting *grrr* 16:12 < esden> Lorini: I hate you ... you should learn also a bit ... you know ... _mondey_? 16:12 < Lorini> grrr 16:12 < esden> muahaha 16:12 < Lorini> shut up you crazy creature :) 16:13 * -> esden crazy? 16:13 < Lorini> lol 16:13 < Lorini> i wont answer :) 16:13 < esden> I am not crazy ... hmm ... compared to you I am sane ;-) 16:13 < Lorini> lol 16:13 < Lorini> "crazy" is a compliment :) 16:13 < esden> aha ... 16:13 < esden> hmm you may be right 16:14 < esden> in some way 16:14 < Lorini> who wants to be "normal"? 16:14 < Lorini> i _am_ right 16:14 < Lorini> (always) 16:14 < esden> me me *jump_around* ;-) 16:14 < Lorini> lol 16:14 < Lorini> go away :) 16:14 < esden> NO :P 16:14 * Lorini laughing 16:15 < esden> good that you are amused ... 16:15 < Lorini> lol 16:15 < Lorini> yes :) 16:16 < Lorini> anybody wants a piece of cucumber? 16:17 < rolla> ugh no 16:17 < Lorini> hm. does anybody know the meaning of "kostverächter"? 16:19 < esden> dict.leo.org says that this word does not exist ;-) 16:19 < Lorini> i found a new word! 16:20 < Lorini> *strike* 16:20 < esden> good ... and now? 16:20 < esden> you now can buy a lollypop for it ;-) 16:22 < Lorini> i dont like lollies 16:23 < esden> really? are you sure? 16:25 < Lorini> very sure 16:25 < esden> hmm very interesting *note* 16:25 < Lorini> lol 16:25 < Lorini> and i dont like flowers (very important) 16:26 < _NULL> aeh. 16:26 < esden> ok ... also very interesting *note* 16:26 < esden> owl? 16:26 < _NULL> nothing. just thinking "meinen teil" ;) 16:26 < Lorini> lol 16:26 < Lorini> better dont think "deinen teil" :) 16:26 < _NULL> why not? 16:27 < Lorini> because you make me neugierig :) 16:27 < esden> yes me too ... owl what do you think? 16:27 < _NULL> *gggg* 16:27 < _NULL> "meinen teil" i'm thinking 16:28 < _NULL> *vbeg* 16:28 < Lorini> grr 16:28 < esden> and what is "dein teil" ? 16:28 < _NULL> not your bussiness 16:28 < Lorini> what a pity i am too far away to come to you :) 16:29 < _NULL> to esden or to me? *vvvbg* 16:29 < Lorini> lol 16:29 < BOFH_org> hmmm. curiosity kills cats... 16:29 < BOFH_org> it *might* even kill other predators like owl as well.... 16:29 < Lorini> owl: surely you know, whom i mean :) 16:29 < esden> Lorini: too far is a relative expression 16:30 < BOFH_org> eins zwei drei bier 16:30 < Lorini> esden: is there anything that isnt relative? 16:30 * BOFH_org is away: unzip;strip;touch;finger;mount;fsck;more;yes;fsck;umount;sleep 16:31 < Lorini> hm 16:31 < esden> Lorini: for sure there is ... some day there will be places found where the relativity is non existant 16:31 < Lorini> maybe :) 16:32 * Lorini feels bored 16:33 * blindcoder feels like he's at the end of his power 16:33 < _NULL> oh esden . you're too boring for Lorini 16:34 < esden> o_O ... so entertain her owl ... :P 16:34 < _NULL> aehm. no. 16:34 < esden> if you can do it better :P 16:35 < Lorini> lol 16:35 < _NULL> esden: it's your job 16:35 * Lorini is not a job! 16:36 < esden> my job? why? 16:36 < rolla> grrr 16:36 < rolla> i 16:36 < _NULL> .... hate gnome, @ rolla ? 16:36 < esden> rolla: you what? 16:36 < rolla> these gnome terminals are not showing german key mappings :( 16:37 < esden> And? 16:37 < rolla> it show a balnk where the char should be :( 16:38 < rolla> can't type in german with the, 16:38 < esden> ohh that is not good 16:38 < rolla> ja 16:39 < esden> number theory ... YUK 16:40 < rolla> äää 16:40 < rolla> :) 16:42 < blindcoder> TELEPHONES!!! AARRGGHH!!!! 16:42 < blindcoder> Whoever invented them should be shot, hanged, drowned and then SERIOUSLY hurt!!! 16:43 < rolla> ü 16:44 < daja77> re 16:44 < rolla> hmm now I need to see a german layout for keyboard 16:45 < daja77> kasc: yes https://www.mdlug.info/linuxtag2003/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=75&op=file&SubMenu= 16:46 < daja77> esden: hi 16:46 < esden> daja77: ho 16:46 < daja77> hi ho, yeah 16:49 < _NULL> off. bye 16:49 < daja77> bye _NULL 16:49 < esden> cu owl 16:49 < daja77> fscking cups 16:51 < esden> mathematicias have something are ill ... who can invent such stuff ...*sigh* 16:52 < daja77> esden is ready for hospital, ic 16:53 < blindcoder> not only him 16:53 < daja77> blindcoder: what happened to you? 16:53 < blindcoder> daja77: Hell Desk 16:53 < Lorini> esden: im not gonna write the klausur on monday 16:53 < daja77> Lorini is lazy .oO 16:53 < Lorini> no 16:54 * Lorini is realistic 16:54 < blindcoder> daja77: been at work for 12 hours straight yesterday and today seems to be even longer... 16:54 < blindcoder> daja77: and it's my FUCKING LAST DAY BEFORE VACATION! 16:54 < daja77> blindcoder: how the hell did you get this job 16:54 < blindcoder> daja77: dunno... must be my sheer 'luck' 16:54 < daja77> hehe, where do you go for vacation? 16:55 < blindcoder> daja77: to the miba https://www.miba-online.de :( 16:55 < blindcoder> daja77: usually there are like 7 eople here doin the same thing as me... 16:55 < blindcoder> daja77: yesterday we were TWO, and today I'm ALONE 16:55 < daja77> poor blindcoder 16:56 < daja77> ah yes that fair, but this is not really vacation, right? 16:56 < blindcoder> no, not really 16:57 < Mike1> moin all. 16:57 < blindcoder> it's work, only different plae and no payment 16:57 < daja77> hi Mike1 16:57 < blindcoder> moi Mike1 16:57 < daja77> blindcoder: and other idiots, hehe 16:57 < Lorini> moin Mike1 16:57 < rolla> m 16:57 < blindcoder> daja77: but at least I won't have to fix anyone computers there WEEEE 16:57 < blindcoder> but that's about the only good thing abou it :/ 16:57 < daja77> :) 16:58 < daja77> blindcoder: maybe you can fix some lusers 16:58 * blindcoder takes out extra huge LART 16:59 * blindcoder now wields a +5 LART of increased damage 16:59 < blindcoder> I really have to cade that into nethack 16:59 < blindcoder> s/cade/code/ 17:00 < daja77> anyone knows why cups is offering every useless interface but parallel port? 17:04 < daja77> who let this stupid gravenreuth moron out this friday? 17:05 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe 17:05 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEEEEEEE 17:05 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW 17:05 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEKEEEEEEEND 17:05 < blindcoder> HERE I COME!!! 17:05 < blindcoder> WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO 17:05 < daja77> have fun 17:05 < Lorini> omg 17:05 < Mike1> Weed Kend? 17:05 < esden> have fun blindcoder 17:05 < daja77> Lorini: don't worry about him 17:06 < blindcoder> not yet... but almost 17:06 < blindcoder> just a XFree86 Installation away 17:06 * Lorini shocked 17:06 < daja77> Lorini: why are you shocked? 17:07 < Lorini> ähm. too much loud noise in here :) 17:07 < daja77> hehe, don't talk that much :) 17:07 < esden> Lorini: blindcoder is a loud boy ;-) 17:07 < rolla> :) 17:07 < blindcoder> esden: no 17:07 < blindcoder> I'm just happy that I can FINALLY ALMOST GO HOME 17:08 < Mike1> rolla: daja77 did you guys had the chance to test my router? 17:08 < daja77> finally almost *rofl* 17:08 < daja77> Mike1: nope 17:08 < blindcoder> I just have to install new Xfree on my big baby @work 17:08 < daja77> the rh machine? 17:08 < blindcoder> yes 17:08 < blindcoder> 4x 2.0GHz-Xeon 17:08 < blindcoder> shouldn't take THAT long 17:08 < blindcoder> just compile it 17:08 < blindcoder> nothing more 17:09 < daja77> poser 17:09 < Lorini> lol 17:10 < blindcoder> I don't care :) 17:10 < rolla> Mike1: nope 17:10 < blindcoder> make -j32 World 17:10 * daja77 does not listen to blindcoder 17:11 < Mike1> rolla: daja77 somehow i knew you would say that. 17:11 < daja77> Mike1: don't be disappointed, I'll burn it later to carry it with me tomorrow :) 17:12 < daja77> kasc: here? 17:12 < Mike1> daja77: i am not disappointed no worries. 17:12 < daja77> :) 17:13 < kasc> yep 17:13 < kasc> (partially ;) 17:13 < daja77> kasc: have you got that link? 17:13 < kasc> link? 17:13 < daja77> <daja77> kasc: yes https://www.mdlug.info/linuxtag2003/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=75&op=file&SubMenu= 17:14 < daja77> I often quote myself, it adds spice to my conversation :) 17:14 < kasc> hehe 17:17 < Ge0rG> mdlug linuxtag? I'll be there too ;) 17:17 < daja77> hi Ge0rG, great (when shall we three meet again :)) 17:18 < Ge0rG> hm... they are demanding money for the workshops? thats not very gnu... 17:18 < daja77> Ge0rG: that's ok workshops are difficult to make, believe me 17:19 < Ge0rG> daja77: ok, but I see it from the students point of view, not from a business persons one ;) 17:19 < kasc> i heared the workshops are not really worth listening. anyone experienced something like that? 17:20 < daja77> Ge0rG: this has nothing to do with business 17:20 * daja77 is a student too 17:20 < Ge0rG> daja77: I won't pay so much money to participate, but rather invest some hours to rtfm 17:21 < blindcoder> *argh* 17:21 < daja77> Ge0rG: I won't go to workshop, I'm over there to meet some friends and listen to some lectures maybe 17:21 < blindcoder> I hate them on aniverse-radio >_< 17:21 * Mike1 invests many hours on rtfm and doesn't have to pay anyone... 17:21 < blindcoder> I just stopped my stream-ripper and now they air a song I want to have >_< 17:21 < daja77> blindcoder: listen to real music :P 17:22 < Ge0rG> hm... maybe business informatics students are not the right ones to organize open source meetings... ;) 17:22 < blindcoder> don't show me your tongue if don't intend to use it! 17:22 < daja77> blindcoder: *urgs* 17:23 < Mike1> blindcoder: the questions is.. do you want him to use it? 17:23 < Ge0rG> IMHO everything there sounds way too commercial... like "Die Vortragsunterlagen und mögliche weiterführende Informationen sind auf der CD zum 4. Magdeburger Linuxtag enthalten, welche Sie verbindlich bestellen können." 17:23 < daja77> Ge0rG: yeah maybe Linuxtag in Chemnitz is better anyway :) 17:23 < blindcoder> hmm... 270 MB ripped in one day... not bad :) 17:24 < Ge0rG> daja77: I think the first presentation I'm going to visit is the email thing by sven guckes (14:15) 17:24 < kasc> quite expensive... 17:24 < daja77> Ge0rG: as I explained to kasc if you want to spot me, watch out for the maniac wheelchair driver :) 17:24 < daja77> Ge0rG: sven's lectures are always fun 17:25 < Ge0rG> daja77: yeah, the last time the discussion lasted way longer than planned ;) 17:25 * daja77 is a friend of sven guckes 17:26 < Ge0rG> hm... maybe should I take along my notebook? 17:26 * Mike1 is a friend of Daniel Jahre 17:26 < daja77> thx Mike 17:26 < Mike1> daja77: ;-) 17:27 * blindcoder now uploading 270 MB from work to home :) 17:28 < daja77> Mike1: btw, it is hardly possible to get a flight to cr, so don't tell me your tourist industry suffers 17:28 * Mike1 considering to start making downloads from blindy's machine :) 17:28 < Mike1> daja77: *gg* 17:29 < Mike1> daja77: are you comming? 17:29 < daja77> I'd like to, but it is too expensive, I fear 17:29 < Mike1> daja77: define expensive? 17:30 < blindcoder> Mike1: right now that woulb be... difficult :) 17:30 < daja77> 780 Euro + taxes the flight only 17:30 < Mike1> blindcoder: i would only do to still some of your bw and piss you off :) 17:30 < Mike1> daja77: try british airways 17:31 < blindcoder> Mike1: well, then go ahead. The Upload will run nonetheless :) 17:31 < Mike1> blindcoder: arrggg 17:31 < Mike1> :) 17:31 < blindcoder> 270MB ripped.tar 17:31 < blindcoder> :D 17:31 < blindcoder> ripped via xmms from radio-stream :D 17:31 * Mike1 now doing work on 1.6 17:32 < kasc> daja77: do you know it its still possible to buy a ticket for the night event tomorrow? 17:33 < daja77> I think so, but can't tell for sure 17:33 < kasc> think i'll see then ;) 17:34 < daja77> kasc: yes it is expensive, I hope it is good, otherwise it will be my last visit 17:35 < kasc> do you have a gpg key? 17:35 < daja77> yes 17:35 < kasc> at least we could sign each other's keys then 17:35 < daja77> hmm, I never used it, but anyway we could do this :) 17:38 * daja77 is going to buy some stuff for refilling fridge :) 17:38 * daja77 is away: I'm busy 17:39 < blindcoder> Xfree86 is starnge... 17:39 < blindcoder> libc_wrapper.c 17:39 < blindcoder> errm... 17:39 < kasc> bbl 17:47 < blindcoder> okay Xfree86 built 17:54 < blindcoder> okay... done... 17:54 < blindcoder> I can't believe it... 17:54 * blindcoder going HOME!!! WOOHOOOOOOOOO! 18:34 * daja77 is back (gone 00:55:50) 18:35 < Mike1> wb daja77 18:35 < daja77> thx even if I'm only half here 18:35 < Mike1> why only half? 18:36 < daja77> the other half is learning 18:36 < daja77> and the rest is cursing cups 18:36 < Mike1> ah ok. 18:36 * Mike1 back to 1.6 18:40 * daja77 is sponsoring cookies for anyone who enlightens me 18:48 -!- Lorini_ [~andrea@p3EE218B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:56 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE219C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:00 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-072-112.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:02 < blindcoder> WEE! 19:02 * blindcoder @ home 19:02 < Lorini_> lol 19:02 < Mike1> blindy happy? 19:02 < Lorini_> happy blindy :) 19:02 < blindcoder> well, I feel good, is that enaugh @Mike1 :) 19:02 < blindcoder> Lorini_: well, I'm happy htat my vacation has started now :) 19:03 < Lorini_> *g* 19:05 < blindcoder> and I think I'll replace my ess Solo-1 with my new SB! Live 5.1 now... 19:06 < Mike1> blindcoder: "i feel good... tananana ..." :) 19:13 < blindcoder> Mike1: no, Akan's BAKA-SONG :D 19:13 * blindcoder now checking through the files he ripped from aniverse-radio today 19:15 < blindcoder> OMFG!!! 19:15 < blindcoder> Asian Pride - Pikachu Rap 19:17 < esden> rofl 19:17 < blindcoder> esden: indeed :D 19:17 < blindcoder> esden: I think I'll keep it for laughing value :D 19:18 * Mike1 imagines _NULL dancing the "Pikachu Rap" 19:18 < esden> lol 19:18 < esden> blindcoder: where can I get it ? 19:18 * blindcoder rolling on the floor laughing his @$$ off 19:18 < blindcoder> esden: mom 19:18 < Mike1> :) 19:43 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4FA09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:44 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801919.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD9E4FA09.dip.t-dialin.net))) 19:44 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 20:01 < kasc> re 20:04 < Mike1> wb kasc 20:06 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@pD9522790.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:06 < dreamind> Hi 20:06 < Mike1> greetings dreamind! 20:06 < Mike1> dreamind: how is oroborus doing? 20:06 < dreamind> Hi Mike1 :) 20:07 < dreamind> well currently I'm occupied evaluating DNS servers :) 20:07 < dreamind> I think we/I will choose PowerDNS :) 20:08 < _NULL> re 20:08 < kasc> thx 20:17 < Lorini_> hi owl 20:18 < _NULL> hi Lorini_ 20:19 -!- Lorini_ is now known as Lorini 20:19 < Lorini> i hate these _ 20:19 < Mike1> ________________ 20:19 < _NULL> hm. 20:19 < Lorini> lol 20:19 * blindcoder hates kernel compiling 20:19 < Mike1> blindcoder: would you prefer rpms? 20:20 * blindcoder stabs Mike1 with a wooden spoon 20:20 < Mike1> blindcoder: hehe 20:20 < _NULL> hi blindcoder 20:20 < blindcoder> hi _NULL 20:20 < esden> argh ... I need a book about gimp >_< 20:21 < Mike1> book !?!?! 20:21 < esden> yes ... 20:21 < Mike1> Oreilly? 20:21 < Mike1> :) 20:21 < esden> they describe there the usage of it very good 20:22 * -> esden too stupid to use it ... 20:22 * -> esden needs sleep 20:24 < Mike1> sleep is only for mortals, esden wtf would _u_ need sleep? 20:26 < esden> dunno 20:26 < Mike1> esden: CODE! 20:27 < Mike1> Alpha port needs to be re-written. 20:27 < Mike1> LCDemu needs code cleanup.. 20:27 < esden> :P 20:27 < dreamind> Hi esden ;) 20:27 < Mike1> esden: also dietlibc needs work.. 20:27 < blindcoder> linux kernel needs to become microkernel! esden, go to work! 20:27 < esden> hi dreamind 20:27 < dreamind> somebody using ldap here? 20:28 < esden> blindcoder: yes sure 20:28 < Mike1> esden: *work* *work* *work* *work* 20:28 < esden> Mike1: work too ... the router target is still not ready !!! 20:29 < esden> go work ... code !!! 20:29 * blindcoder now working, exchanging Solo-1 for a SB! Live 20:29 < blindcoder> bbl 20:29 < Mike1> esden: i am working :) 20:29 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FA09.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("kernel compiling, soundcard changing") 20:30 < Mike1> dreamind: oroborus is not included in rock yet, include it *work* *work* 20:30 < Mike1> _NULL: we need coffee!! 20:31 < Mike1> *ggg* 20:31 < dreamind> Mike1: well I currently don't run rocklinux :) 20:31 < _NULL> coffee? no coffee... but a bottle of liqueure... 20:31 < dreamind> I wanted to install rocklinux in a chroot, but hadn't yet the time to do so 20:31 < Mike1> _NULL: i will not share that bottle with any more people than you .. 20:31 < _NULL> Mike1: it's my bottle! *grml* 20:32 < Mike1> _NULL: you are sharing it with me, so its _our_ bottle 20:32 < _NULL> Mike1: pah ;P 20:32 < Mike1> :) 21:13 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FA3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:13 < blindcoder> okay, so this makes me the only person alive with a working ALSA, doesn't it? :D 21:13 < _NULL> nope... i'm also having alsa... ;) 21:13 < blindcoder> hehe :) 21:13 < _NULL> (a working, too) 21:14 < blindcoder> hihi 21:14 < _NULL> hrm. 21:14 < Mike1> blindcoder: you are not the only one sorry 21:14 * Mike1 too 21:14 < blindcoder> could someone message me on icq? I want to know if this really mworks now 21:14 < _NULL> uin? 21:14 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:14 < rxr> re 21:15 < _NULL> hi rxr 21:15 * rxr busy ... 21:15 < rxr> ;-) 21:15 * Mike1 not an icq user blindcoder sorry 21:15 < Mike1> greeting rxr_always_busy 21:15 < blindcoder> Mike1, owl: I remember someone in #gametome saying that noone has a working ALSO config... and me being able to use it after ten minues (7 minutes being compiling ALSO with ROCK :) 21:15 < _NULL> hehe 21:15 * blindcoder 's UIN: 16854632 21:18 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE218B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 21:21 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-075-017.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:21 < daja77> re 21:22 < daja77> good evening everybody 21:23 < Mike1> mike@odin:~ > date 21:23 < Mike1> Fri Apr 4 13:24:21 CST 2003 21:23 < Mike1> evenng... mm.. 21:23 < _NULL> re daja77 21:23 < Mike1> *g 21:23 < daja77> good afternoon for Mike1 and rolla *g* 21:23 < daja77> re _NULL 21:24 * daja77 comes from a painful printing session @ his parent's 21:27 * blindcoder @anime 21:27 < kasc> daja77: gnomemeeting is finished. wanna test? 21:28 * rolla is tired 21:28 < Mike1> rolla: still? 21:28 < rolla> yes still sick 21:28 < Mike1> rolla: ouch 21:28 < daja77> kasc: how? 21:29 < kasc> s/finished/packaged/ 21:29 < daja77> kasc, I've no rock box to test it now :( 21:29 < kasc> aww 21:29 < daja77> ?? 21:30 < kasc> anyway, i'll submit it as soon as my testbuild is through 21:30 < daja77> ok 21:57 < daja77> can anyone hear me? 21:57 < ringo78_> I can see you on the screen .... ;-) 21:57 < Mike1> could you speak a little bit loader, i can't hear you ... 21:57 < ringo78_> HI all btw 21:58 < daja77> Mike1: NO PROBLEM 21:58 < Mike1> laughter* 21:58 < daja77> hi ringo78_ 21:58 < Mike1> ringo78_: Welcome! 21:58 < daja77> sorry guys but my router was half down, irc seemed to be the only thing that was still working 22:00 < ringo78_> Mike1: Thank you daja77 : You could uuencode some samples at #flood ;-) 22:00 < daja77> ringo78_: huh? 22:01 < ringo78_> daja77: I can hear you if you uuencode some soundsamples and paste in #flood... Then you only need irc... 22:01 < daja77> ringo78_: you are so damn funny tonight 22:02 < ringo78_> daja77: Thanks I think its the headache... 22:02 < ringo78_> daja77: Irssi script will do the job ;-) 22:03 < daja77> don't use irrsi 22:03 * Mike1 away eating 22:03 < ringo78_> I love irssi it uses perl scripts. Mike1 : bon apetite ! 22:04 < daja77> hmm there are other clients doin this, btw I dislike perl 22:07 < _NULL> Mike1: guten appettit (and: nehme dir kein vorbild an meinem fehlerhaften deu 22:07 < _NULL> tsch) 22:18 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FA3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("badblocks scan... again") 22:19 < rolla> daja77: I have lost all repect for you now 22:20 < daja77> rolla: ?? 22:20 < rolla> you don't like perl 22:21 < daja77> *lol*, does this makes me a worse person 22:21 < rolla> yes 22:21 < rolla> ranks you up there with emacs users 22:21 < daja77> oh shit, I should have known better when to shut up :) 22:22 < daja77> rolla: don't, I hate emacs 22:23 < rolla> you are in the same boat now 22:23 < daja77> NO! 22:23 < rolla> too late 22:23 < daja77> I hate lisp and perl 22:24 < daja77> rolla: be a man write in C 22:24 < rolla> too bad for you 22:24 < rolla> daja77: why write system stuff in c 22:24 < daja77> the system is not written in perl, right? 22:25 < rolla> system admin 22:25 < daja77> I just hate the fact that perl is so bloated 22:25 < rolla> bloated? 22:25 < rolla> whatever 22:26 < daja77> read: it is fat 22:26 < rolla> so is everthing these days 22:26 < rolla> even your beloved C 22:26 < daja77> *sigh* I fear you are right 22:26 < daja77> you mean glibc, *gnarf* this doesn't count 22:35 < daja77> rolla: I still have respect for, I don't care which languages you like and which not 22:36 < daja77> kasc: are you still here? 22:38 < rolla> :) 22:38 < daja77> well bye, cu guys later, kasc cu tomorrow :) 22:41 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-075-017.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 22:44 < Mike1> re 22:45 < Freak> Mike1! 22:45 < Mike1> Freak: !!!! 22:45 < Freak> =) 22:46 < Mike1> wtf have you been all this time? 22:47 < Mike1> Freak: ? 22:49 < Freak> I told you guys I left freenode. 22:49 < Mike1> Freak: you didn't told me.. 22:49 < Mike1> Freak: why did you left it? 22:49 < Freak> of course I did, you visited me on oftc 22:50 < Mike1> ich?? 22:50 < Freak> absolutely. 22:50 < Mike1> mm.. 23:07 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49F62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:08 < tcr> moin all 23:08 < Mike1> huhu tcr. 23:19 < rxr> hi 23:20 < Mike1> hi rxr 23:21 < rxr> hi Mike1 23:21 < Mike1> rxr: when will you update kde to 3.1.1 ? 23:22 < rxr> hm it is. 23:22 < rxr> L] GPL 23:22 < rxr> [S] Stable 23:22 < rxr> [V] 3.1.1 23:22 < rxr> [P] X -----5---9 478.000 23:22 < rxr> [D] 1085659068 kdelibs-3.1.1.tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1.1/src/ 23:22 < rxr> where is the prob ???? ?!?!? 23:23 < Mike1> *g 23:23 < rxr> today I decided about my next laptop. 23:23 < Mike1> np problem sorry wrong src tarball here 23:23 < rxr> will be a powerpc machine ;-) 23:23 < Mike1> rxr: will it be an iBook? 23:24 < Mike1> good. 23:24 < rxr> or powerbook 23:24 < tcr> hmm, bash is damn slow... _really_ slow, no I'm still not rightly expressing its slowness... damn! 23:25 * Mike1 considering to ask rxr for a status report on the sparc64 port ... 23:26 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1A0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:27 < rxr> Mike1: Hm? I just reported yesterday? Is this a joke - or are you really curious ? 23:28 < rxr> tcr: jups bash is slow. 23:29 < Mike1> rxr: i didn't receive that report 23:30 < Mike1> rxr: i'm not joking btw 23:30 < rxr> Hm - I cutn't pasted the result of my current build last night - and you complaint about the flood ... 23:30 < Mike1> argggg!!!!!!!!!! 23:31 < Mike1> rxr: i though it was something related to ppc 23:31 * Mike1 searching logs... 23:31 < rxr> ok here the currentl status (20 hours after my last one): 23:31 < Mike1> :) 23:32 < rxr> oh finished ;-) (/me wondering): 23:32 < rxr> 582 builds total, 524 completed fine, 58 with errors. 23:32 < rxr> do you want to get the error list? 23:32 < Mike1> please :) 23:32 < rxr> Error logs from system-1.7-snapshot-sparc-v9-32-desktop-expert: 23:32 < rxr> [1] base/dietlibc [1] base/curl 23:32 < rxr> [3] base/dietlibc [3] base/strace 23:32 < rxr> [5] base/gdb [5] base/mtools 23:32 < rxr> [5] base/alsa [5] rene/lm_sensors 23:32 < rxr> [5] rene/jack [5] x11/tcltk 23:32 < rxr> [5] rene/emacs-xemacs-shared [5] gnome2/libbonobouimm14 23:32 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gstreamer10 [5] gnome2/gst-plugins10 23:33 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gtk-perl10 [5] gnome2/bug-buddy22 23:33 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gnomemm-all20 [5] gnome2/gnome-media22 23:33 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gnome-nautilus-media [5] x11/mozilla 23:33 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gimp14 [5] rene/sylpheed 23:33 < rxr> [5] rene/xzgv [5] gnome2/gnumeric12 23:33 < rxr> [5] rene/avifile [5] rene/ogle 23:33 < rxr> [5] rene/gamix [5] rene/gsmp 23:33 < rxr> [5] tibit/ctags [5] rene/kdevelop 23:33 < rxr> [5] rene/kmatplot [5] clifford/sweep 23:33 < rxr> [5] rene/subversion [5] rene/vnc 23:33 < tcr> gdb o_O? 23:33 < rxr> [5] tibit/nvrec [5] miguel/mplayer 23:33 < rxr> [5] rene/transcode [5] rene/octave 23:33 < rxr> [5] base/softdog [5] base/kbd 23:33 < rxr> [5] base/pcmcia-cs [5] alessandro/vsftpd 23:33 < tcr> alsa? Hmm 23:33 < rxr> [5] base/nssdb [5] sparc/silo 23:33 < rxr> [5] kasc/paragui [5] kasc/scilab 23:33 < rxr> [5] rene/anjuta [5] kasc/libsdl_perl 23:33 < rxr> [5] kasc/clanlib [5] kasc/freedroid 23:33 < rxr> [5] kasc/frozen-bubble [5] kasc/openglad 23:33 < rxr> [5] kasc/powermanga [5] kasc/rocksndiamonds 23:33 < rxr> [5] kasc/squaroid [5] kasc/toppler 23:33 < Mike1> 0_o silo 23:33 < rxr> [7] base/perl5 [7] base/rfc 23:33 < rxr> in other words: most important stuff compiled ... 23:34 < Mike1> silo and perl5 are important... 23:34 < tcr> hmm btw 23:34 < esden> rxr: ??? 23:34 < rxr> the perl thing should be the usual shared files error ... 23:34 < rxr> hi esden 23:34 < Mike1> rxr maybe you want to put the errors together on a tarball for me and mail them? if its ok with you / 23:34 < esden> hi rxr 23:34 < Mike1> rxr: no its no. 23:34 < tcr> new version of strace has been released today 23:35 < Mike1> rxr: has been braking for me too. 23:35 < Mike1> rxr: also pcmcia-cs can't find insmod / rmmod 23:35 < rxr> Mike1: I wrote _most_ important - not all 23:35 < Mike1> rxr: yeah :) 23:35 < rxr> btw - the sun's uptime: 23:35 < rxr> root@thesun:/mnt/rock/rock-1.7-orig# uptime 23:35 < rxr> 21:36:28 up 32 days, 20:21, 2 users, load average: 1.04, 0.43, 0.16 23:36 < Mike1> nice. 23:36 < rxr> the kernel is: 23:36 < rxr> Linux version 2.4.20 (root@thesun.localnet) (gcc version 3.2.2) #3 Sun Feb 9 16:56:31 Local time zone must be set--see zic manua 23:36 < tcr> So... 23:36 < Mike1> rxr Ultra 50 right? 23:36 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:36 < Mike1> -0 23:36 < tcr> anyone here willing to update strace and openssh? 23:36 < rxr> if someone still want's to tell me the gcc-3.2.2 is not able to produce working SPARC 64bit kernels .... 23:36 < rxr> he is free to come over and take a look on this box ... 23:37 < rxr> tcr: I could do this ... 23:37 < Mike1> rxr: i know one person who doesn't agree, fede2 from #splack 23:37 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:37 < rxr> Mike1: no Ultra 5 not 50 ... 23:37 < Mike1> rxr: yeah i said -0 :) 23:37 < rxr> Mike1: he is free to use the crippled egcs-<$special-$magic-version> 23:38 * rxr building the install/boot part for the SPARC box ... 23:38 < Mike1> rxr: no wonder why splack is a quite a mess 23:38 < rxr> a recent SPARC box would be nice ... 23:39 < Mike1> rxr: sharing the isos with the rest of interested in sparc would be nice too .. 23:39 < Mike1> rest of us** 23:40 < rxr> first I would have to fix some things and implement the install target boot part for sparc ... 23:40 < rxr> but currently the sparc box is monitor-less in a dusty corner crunching the rock build ... 23:41 * Mike1 feels pain in his heart just imaginating that poor sparc :(( 23:42 < rxr> *lol* 23:42 < rxr> ok it is on a table - not a corner - and it is not dusty ;-) 23:42 < tcr> Hmm, when many moons have risen and I've finally come back to rock developing, I might spend a lot of work to make most of the rockscripts POSIX compliant, so that one can using ash instead of bash. This should incrase the speed by 40-60% 23:42 * Mike1 feel better now, rxr please don't make her suffer. 23:42 < Mike1> :) 23:42 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1A0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:43 < Mike1> tcr: do you promise? 23:43 < rxr> hm - maybe we should start a new bash implementatin - I do not see a reason why a shell needs to be that slow ... 23:43 < Mike1> tcr: btw why did you left rock development for all this moons ? 23:43 < Mike1> wb Freak 23:43 < rxr> Mike1: *lol* - you can be sure, all my technic gadgets have a nice home here. 23:44 < Mike1> == 16:35:28 =[9]=> Building base/minicom [2.00.0 1.7-snapshot]. 23:44 < Freak> re 23:44 < Mike1> uurgg i need a perl5.gem 23:45 < Mike1> rxr: do you have a perl5.gem for ix86 that i can use? 23:46 < rxr> hehe - my ROCK Linux develper tool-chain improved again 23:47 < Mike1> ?!?! 23:47 < rxr> no it also extracts the changelog for the Create4Clifford case ;-) 23:47 < tcr> Mike1: personal projects... Programming/hacking must be considered as art, and as such one thing can get boring very quickly (one reason why most hackers are afraid of mainting something)... When time comes, and i'm interesed in developing and when I just feel like do so, I won't hesitate... 23:48 < Mike1> tcr: ah ok. 23:48 < rxr> argh 23:48 < Mike1> tcr: so the nice and friendly tcr that we all know is back? 23:48 < rxr> du is stupid 23:49 < rxr> Mike1: why do you need a perl.gem so quickly ? 23:49 < rxr> no Build-Pkg neadby ? 23:50 < Mike1> rxr: just wanted to test something. 23:50 < Mike1> guess i will create it.. 23:51 < rxr> esden: do you known du in depth? 23:51 < rxr> I have files like this: 23:51 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 916 Apr 4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-Documentation.patch 23:52 < rxr> the stupid du gives me: 23:52 < rxr> 4.0k 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-Documentation.patch 23:52 < esden> rxr: ??? 23:52 < rxr> orroot:/home/rene/develop/rock# du -b 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-* 23:52 < rxr> 4096 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-Documentation.patch 23:52 < rxr> but this is reiserfs - and it doesn't eat a whole disk-block 23:52 < rxr> I want this 916 as result !!! 23:52 < rxr> any idea ? 23:53 * -> esden no idea 23:53 < tcr> rxr: Well... it then really seems to eat a whole disk block 23:54 < tcr> rxr: ls -l counts the bytes a file actually has, du the actual disk space that's occupied 23:56 < rxr> jups but I need the sum - extracting the ls output again and again would be a bit slow ... 23:56 < tcr> ls -l also gives a total: when being run on several files 23:57 < rxr> ah! Yes that is an idea ;-) 23:57 < tcr> There might be even an option to just display that (so that a call to head would be made unncessary) 23:58 < tcr> Though as far as I remember I didn't succeed in finding one last I looked 23:59 < rxr> erhm - I do not get the total used size? Do you have the option for this handy ? --- Log closed Sat Apr 05 00:00:39 2003