--- Log opened Fri Apr 04 00:00:11 2003
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00:00 -!- demian [~demian@208.165.55.133] has left #rocklinux ()
00:05 < daja77> hi A-Tui
00:05 < daja77> re
00:06 < A-Tui> hi daja77!
00:06 < Mike1> greetings Aitor
00:06 < Mike1> wb daja77
00:07 < daja77> thx Mike1
00:07 < Mike1> daja77: == 16:54:34 =[5]=> Building base/gmp [4.1.2 1.7-snapshot].
00:07 < A-Tui> greetingd miguel
00:07 < Mike1> router target build almost finished
00:07 < A-Tui> ops greetings
00:07 < daja77> Mike1: can't tell how far my build is :(
00:07 < Mike1> daja77: warum?
00:08 < daja77> it is at work, no access to this machine from here
00:08 < A-Tui> ROCK 1.6 will be deprecated or will be developed in future?
00:08 < Mike1> daja77: ah its ok
00:08 < kasc> re daja77
00:08 < daja77> huhu kasc
00:08 < Mike1> A-Tui: its been developed yet, and will go on, but only a very reduced group of us have interest on it
00:09 < A-Tui> ok, i now reading packages build docs, and i wonder if it's usefull make packs for 1.6
00:09 < daja77> can I get bootable iso's for powerpc when crosscompling rock?
00:10 < Mike1> daja77: no.
00:10 < Mike1> daja77: but rxr has been working on ppc port
00:10 < Mike1> already got ppc .gem packages
00:10 < daja77> :)
00:11 < Mike1> and was going to install them on a yellow dog box
00:11 < Mike1> A-Tui: do you have any particular interest on 1.6?
00:12 < A-Tui> mmmm only that its my actual ROCK system
00:12 < Mike1> ah okis :)
00:12 < A-Tui> and i want have 2 versions in parallel on diferent machines
00:13 < daja77> wow, 42 mails on the list :)
00:13 < daja77> this means all my questions got anwsered :)
00:21 * rxr back
00:21 < daja77> hi rxr
00:23 < rxr> A-Tui: Please really consider upgrading to 1.7 aka 2.0
00:23 < A-Tui> tonigh or tomorrow i will build ROCK 1.7 (i have the sources yet)
00:23 < rxr> daja77: if all goes well we have a powerpc ISO  next week
00:24 < rxr> ager month wihout a powerpc box - today a 800Mhz 640MB iBook arrived
00:24 < rxr> a/ager/after/ ...
00:24 < daja77> rxr: bootable?
00:30 < rxr> I hope I have enougth time to _yes_ create a bootable ppc ROCK 2.0 ISO - just as we have for x86
00:30 < daja77> :)
00:30 < rxr> daja77: I'm still searching for sponsors for the powerpc port - are you interested ?
00:30 < Mike1> rxr if you also have time send me an iMak so i can test it here :) *vbeg*
00:31 < daja77> well, I'm not that rich, if you mean that, but I hope to have an iMac here soon
00:32 < Mike1> daja77: esden is rich tell him to give you one.
00:32 < daja77> Mike1: what is your problem with esden
00:32 < Mike1> daja77: no problem, just like to bug him... oftenly...
00:32 < Mike1> daja77: but we are good friends :)
00:33 < daja77> Mike1: he helped me with my target :)
00:33 < Mike1> daja77: yeah he is nice always helping :)
00:33 < daja77> yeah, even if made such a stupid mistake :)
00:35 < rxr> hm? ;-)
00:36 < rxr> I was just joking - still searching for a new laptop - and considering an iBook or Powerbook ... ;-)
00:36 < rxr> but we had this some days ago ;)
00:36 < daja77> rxr: yeah, right, if the iMac arrives, I'd be glad to do some testing on the ppc port
00:40 < rxr> sure - but when my brother takes his new high-tech iBook next week, the powerpc development will be dead again - I guess until I may decide to buy one ...
00:41 < daja77> maybe you should ask apple
00:41 < rxr> hm do you really think they will read such a mail to it's end ?
00:42 < rxr> I tried with AMD last year - to get into the x86-64 program ... :-(
00:42 < daja77> why not, I know a guy who is developing for NetBSD (not core), he gets every new toshiba laptop just to test if NetBSD runs on it
00:43 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has joined #rocklinux
00:44 < sten> hi, anyone here?
00:44 < rxr> sten: sure
00:45 < daja77> anyway apple used to support linux in the past
00:45 < rxr> daja77: argh ?!?!? Really ????
00:45 < sten> rxr: sometimes you'll find a channel where everyone's afk ;-)
00:45 * rxr would like to get every new Thinkpad to verify ROCK Linux ...
00:45 < sten> daja77: wasn't that project called mklinux, or something similar?
00:45 < rxr> sten: jups .-(
00:46 < daja77> rxr: the NetBSD guy, yes that's true, I can't remember if he got laptops from other vendors as well
00:47 < rxr> why do I buy hardware, when core developer of other OSs get hardware for free ?!?!
00:47 < daja77> dunno, maybe we should be more clever ;)
00:48 * rxr stops planing a dual Athlon64 - waiting for AMD to ship it 4free .... ;-)
00:48 < daja77> well, I don't think that he could keep all the laptops
00:50 < rxr> :-(
00:50 < sten> hmm, anyone thing that loaning out sponsored laptops to the most productive developers would make a project fly?
00:50 < daja77> rxr: doesn't matter, but you'll have the latest model to play around
00:51 < daja77> sten: maybe not fly, but it would improve, especially the ppc port would do better
00:52 < rxr> any port
00:52 < sten> daja77: maybe IBM could give us some ppc thinkpads ;-)
00:52 < daja77> are there any?
00:52 < rxr> I buyed a Ultra SPARC U5 last year - but is that slow that ROCK development does not improave that much ...
00:52 < sten> daja77: no, it'd be an experiment for migrating their product line to a different arch
00:52 < rxr> any glibc modification to test takes > 3-4 hours ...
00:53 < rxr> XFree86 takes 6-8 hours ...
00:53 < daja77> rxr: glibc is evil :(
00:53 < rxr> a complete ROCK desktop build takes > 1 1/2  weeks ....
00:53 < daja77> maybe a cross compilation would do better
00:54 < rxr> but most packages are not cross-compile aware
00:54 < rxr> Cliff and I plan cross compile improvements for ROCK Linux 3.0 (next stable after 3.0) ...
00:54 < rxr> but on the other hand: Why should I spent time for and such slow platform I would never use to do every day work on?
00:55 < rxr> I have no direct gain from doing Ultra SPARC work ...
00:55 * daja77 likes the idea of crosscompiling everything on his athlon
00:55 < daja77> hmmm, that's true
00:56 < rxr> If some company would step up to pay for the use of the SPARC port this would be easier ...
00:56 < daja77> sure
00:56 < daja77> unfortenatly sun is not interested that much in linux
00:57 < rxr> the x86 and powerpc thing is different. Many people around me use it - so it is at least a satisfaction to see Berlin getting converted to ROCK - but SPARC? I have not seen any SPARC box aside from my own - and some dusty ones at our university ...
00:57 < Mike1> daja77: only on Sun Linux
00:57 < rxr> Mike1: no - they abondone this
00:58 < daja77> Mike1: there are only interested in Slowlartus afaik
00:58 < Mike1> 0_o
00:58 < Mike1> when did this happen? where have i been?
00:59 < daja77> rxr: we have new sparc smp machines at university
00:59 * Mike1 should stop drinking now.
00:59 < sten> speaking of the distro itself...  It's been 1.5 years since I used ROCK. (I was trying to help Gentoo, since I felt that portage had potiential, but left because they don't have a conservative enough development model)  Has anything huge changed?
00:59 < daja77> Mike1: hehe, need a coffee?
00:59 < Mike1> 1.5 years ... sten 1.7 is completely different from 1.5 which was what you used back then
01:00 < sten> the entire comp-sci branch of my university runs sparcs.  (no MS whatsoever)
01:00 < Mike1> daja77: no i need to know when did they abandoned that and how come i didn't know!
01:00 < daja77> Mike1: some days ago, I'll look it up if you like
01:00 < sten> Mike1: do we have package dependencies yet?  (pre-compile)
01:01 * sten starts rtfm
01:01 < Mike1> sten: we do have our package manager 'Mine'
01:01 < Mike1> sten: good do to.
01:01 < sten> Mike1: whoa, a package manager!!!  ;-)
01:01 < Mike1> sten: yup
01:01 < Mike1> sten: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7
01:02 < Mike1> sten: you sure have a lot to see :)
01:03 < rxr> sten: we have dependencies - auto-generated post compile
01:03 < rxr> but they are cached and after the first initial bootstrap are presnet now
01:03 < rxr> for pre-compile selections ...
01:04 < sten> Mike1: I'll say... (still boggling over a package manager)  Unfortunately, I was seduced by kde 3.1.x (but not their new eyecandy, just the integration) Do I have to use dRock for kde?
01:04 < Mike1> sten: we no longer have the dROCK vs ROCK thing
01:04 < sten> huh, "selection of an init-style"  You can choose sysV or BSD?
01:04 < Mike1> dROCK is now called the desktop target of rock
01:05 < Mike1> sten: we use target so if you are looking for desktop stuff use the desktop target
01:05 < daja77> sten: no only the output
01:05 < Mike1> sten: or simple go for the gneric target which will also have kde
01:05 < sten> daja77: still, that's pretty nifty
01:06 * daja77 is dreaming of minit style
01:06 < rxr> daja77: sten: new init files can be added - and this might get some rework after the 2.0 release to support really different styles of init
01:06 * sten feels a maniacal grin growing on his face as he thinks about ROCK
01:06 < rxr> daja77: this is on the todo - feel free to adapt all the existing infrastructure to make this possible
01:07 < daja77> rxr: sure, if I have time to spend on this I'll help to make this possible
01:07 < Mike1> sten: so what do you think has it chaged?
01:08 < Mike1> changed*
01:08 < daja77> Mike1: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,981353,00.asp
01:09 < sten> Mike1: has it ever...  It seems that ROCK has grown up.  I suppose rock-src doesn't break regularly anymore either. ;-)
01:09 < rxr> should I click on "hireing events" on the Apple page ? *g*
01:09 < Mike1> daja77: thx
01:10 < daja77> rxr: try it :)
01:10 < sten> how stable is the 1.7 tree?
01:11 < rxr> more stable then 1.6-preX
01:11 < Mike1> sten: 13 borken packages report on the desktop target.
01:11 < rxr> not as stable as the old dRock tree - but nearly reached the stability of dRock ...
01:12 < rxr> stable release scheduled for the next 4-6(8?) weeks ...
01:12 < daja77> rxr: can I help resolving package conflicts like cups and LPRng?
01:13 < sten> rxr: why do you mention dRock now?  Would it be better to wait for it's 2.0 release?
01:14 < sten> I read that it has "desktop needs tuned kernel config".  Is this a simple preempt patch?
01:16 < sten> or is it completely merged into the the desktop target?  (I'm still having trouble catching up ;-)
01:19 < Mike1> 0_o rocklinux.org is down?
01:20 -!- rxr_ [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
01:20 < rxr_> hi from the poerpc
01:20 < sten> Mike1: works for me
01:20 -!- rxr_ is now known as rxr_mac
01:20 < Mike1> sten: ok thx
01:21 < daja77> huhu rxr_mac, how things are on the mac?
01:21 < rxr_mac> hm ydl obviosly sucks
01:21 < rxr_mac> but I'll have my last ROCK build on it very soon
01:23 * rxr_mac building a new mktemp
01:24 < rxr> sten: dRock _is_ merged into ROCK Linux 1.7 (aka 2.0)
01:25 < rxr> the 2.0's dekstop target is not patching the kernel - it is simple changing some options in the config
01:25 < daja77> rxr: what's the big difference between drock target and generic?
01:26 < rxr> btw. the preemtion patch for 2.4 is a real no-do !!! Too many things are not preemtion aware in 2.4 - they had to do a lot of work to get this stable in 2.5.
01:26 < rxr> daja77: package selection - kernel options
01:26 < sten> rxr: oh, so ROCK it'll be. ;-)
01:26 < daja77> ah ok
01:26 < rxr> but in the future some packages might get changes
01:26 < rxr> like the sysklogd already has (see ML today).
01:27 < sten> rxr: maybe that's why I've been getting mysterious segfaults...
01:29 < rxr> hm - maybe ... - the last time I took a look the gentoo kernel was patched quite hefty ...
01:30 < sten> rxr: yeah, I don't like the gentoo kernel much...  (I'm running vanilla 2.4.20 patched with preempt on slackware right now)
01:31 < sten> rxr: slackware's my backup, "if all else fails at least I can send email and get work done"
01:32 < sten> yay, rock-src-1.7 branch is done downloading
01:32 < rxr_mac> :-)
01:32 < rxr_mac> my last stable ROCK release is my backup :-)
01:33 * rxr_mac rsyncing existing ROCK ppc .gem binaries
01:33 < sten> .gem?
01:33 < rxr_mac> huh
01:34 < sten> you said "rsyncing existing ROCK ppc .gem binaries"  What's a ".gem"?
01:34 < rxr_mac> the yellow dog linux 's top output is different - the guys patched top ????
01:34 < rxr_mac> .gem is the ROCK 1.7 package format
01:34 < daja77> *argh*
01:35 < rxr_mac> tar.bz2 surrounded by versin,description,dependeny information ;-)
01:35 * sten has some catching up to do
01:35 < rxr_mac> daja77: argh ??
01:35 < daja77> rxr_mac: just reacted to your comment about top
01:35 < sten> rxr_mac: can't wait to check out how it's implemented
01:36 < rxr_mac> daja77: ah yes ydl is one of the most stupid dists - but the only one that was able to install at least bootable on an iBook last december ...
01:36 < rxr_mac> so I also used it this time ...
01:37 < rxr_mac> but next week we'll have some more ROCK ppc progress ...
01:38 < rxr_mac> dia installing
01:38 < rxr_mac> electricfence
01:38 < rxr_mac> emacs
01:38 * daja77 quite likes dia
01:39 < rxr_mac> sodipodi got really usefull
01:39 < rxr_mac> did you tried it out?
01:39 < rxr_mac> exim installing
01:39 < rxr_mac> gaim
01:39 < daja77> rxr_mac: I did a year ago or so
01:40 < sten> rxr_mac: isn't postfix more secure then exim?
01:40 < rxr_mac> the did much you won't recognize it.
01:40 < rxr_mac> sten: uh a difficult question
01:40 < rxr_mac> don"t know - but I like exim so I stay with it ...
01:40 < daja77> rxr_mac: meanwhile I returned using xfig
01:41 < rxr_mac> we have sendmail, postfix and exim in ROCK - maybe more
01:41 < rxr_mac> glib20 installing
01:41 < sten> rxr_mac: yeah, it does depend on configuration... ;-)  (postfix intuitively makes sense to me)
01:42 < rxr_mac> exim makes sense for me - but sendmail doesn't, so I don't use it ...
01:42 < rxr_mac> gnome-games scrolling by
01:42 < sten> I tried to configure senmail once...
01:42 < sten> *sendmail*
01:44 < rxr> my UltrsSPARC build:
01:44 < rxr> 582 builds total, 413 completed fine, 32 with errors.
01:45 < rxr> rror logs from system-1.7-snapshot-sparc-v9-32-desktop-expert:
01:45 < rxr>  [1] base/dietlibc                       [1] base/curl
01:45 < rxr>  [3] base/dietlibc                       [3] base/strace
01:45 < rxr>  [5] base/gdb                            [5] base/mtools
01:45 < rxr>  [5] base/alsa                           [5] rene/lm_sensors
01:45 < rxr>  [5] rene/jack                           [5] x11/tcltk
01:45 < rxr>  [5] rene/emacs-xemacs-shared            [5] gnome2/libbonobouimm14
01:45 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gstreamer10                  [5] gnome2/gst-plugins10
01:45 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gtk-perl10                   [5] gnome2/bug-buddy22
01:45 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gnomemm-all20                [5] gnome2/gnome-media22
01:45 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gnome-nautilus-media         [5] x11/mozilla
01:45 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gimp14                       [5] rene/sylpheed
01:45 < rxr>  [5] rene/xzgv                           [5] gnome2/gnumeric12
01:45 < rxr>  [5] rene/avifile                        [5] rene/ogle
01:45 < rxr>  [5] rene/gamix                          [5] rene/gsmp
01:45 < rxr>  [5] tibit/ctags                         [5] rene/kdevelop
01:45 < rxr>  [5] rene/kmatplot                       [5] clifford/sweep
01:46 < sten> gimp14?  Is that the 1.3 branch?
01:46 < rxr> sten: yes
01:46 < rxr> oops quick look into mozilla:
01:46 < rxr> gcc-3 -o s_ceil.o -c -DOSTYPE=\"Linux2.4\" -DOSARCH=\"Linux\" -DOJI   -I../../../dist/include/js -I../../../dist/
01:46 < rxr> include -I/R.src/mozilla/dist/include/nspr      -I/usr/X11R6/include   -fPIC -I/usr/X11R6/include -Wall -W -Wno-u
01:46 < rxr> nused -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wno-long-long -pthread -pipe  -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O2 -D_IEEE_LIBM  -I/usr/X11
01:46 < rxr> R6/include -include ../../../mozilla-config.h -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -Wp,-MD,.deps/s_ceil.pp s_ceil.c
01:46 < Mike1> rxr nice _FLOOD_
01:46 < rxr> e_pow.c:376: internal error: Segmentation fault
01:46 < rxr> Please submit a full bug report,
01:46 < rxr> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
01:46 < rxr> hm - seems like the v9 optimizing gcc-3.2.2 has problems on sparc ...
01:47 < rxr> See <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/bugs.html> for instructions.
01:47 < rxr> Mike1: this way my chat stat gets a hich rating ;-) *lol*
01:47 < rxr> I just want to keep you guys awake ...
01:47 < Mike1> arrgg
01:48 * Mike1 getting ready to paste his vainilla kernel compile output to help keeping everyone awake ... ;-)
01:48 < daja77> should I post my messages file *g*
01:48 < Mike1> *g
01:49 < rxr> this was all ROCK related and informative *g*
01:49 < Mike1> rxr hehe
01:49 < rxr_mac> kdelibs installing here ...
01:49 < rxr_mac> boring
01:49 < Mike1> Creating the router ramdisk...
01:49 < Mike1> -> Creating the directory structure.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Copying program binaries.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Copy entire iproute2 package.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Copy entire iptables package.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Copying library files.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Copying kernel modules.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Create init script.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Creating initrd image.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Copy kernel image.
01:49 < rxr_mac> *lol*
01:49 < Mike1> -> Create isolinux setup.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Create iso description.
01:49 < Mike1> -> Cleaning up.
01:49 < Mike1> he! ROCK Router Linux build comple :)
01:50 < rxr_mac> Mike1: you are the first one screaming for SPARC binaries ...
01:50 < rxr_mac> don't make you mentor angry
01:50 < Mike1> Oh master rxr_mac i don't want to make you angry
01:50 * sten just found/remembered ./scripts/Create-ISO ;-)
01:50 < Mike1> i'm just trying to provide some information about router target  :)
01:51 < rxr_mac> sten: it is a new one - the old one was named Create-CD IIRC ...
01:52 < sten> rxr_mac: yeah, that sounds about right
01:52 < rxr_mac> the new one automatically spreads the content over multiple discs -  including multiple boot-sections
01:52 < sten> rxr_mac: multiple boot-sectors?  Each disk has kernel and rescue?
01:53 < rxr_mac> hm - the install stresses the iBook - it starts getting warm :-)
01:53 < sten> rxr_mac: I didn't know iBooks got warm.  (I thought they were one of the coolest laptops)
01:53 < rxr_mac> no the first one might get the normal install boot stuff, the second a rescue system and the third a live-demo ... (which is still on my todo)
01:54 < sten> rxr_mac: I see, you can *choose* which to boot
01:54 < Mike1> Ren router iso - 5.5mb
01:54 < rxr_mac> sten: sure - the are cold and do not make any noise if they are used normal (normal desktop stuff) but when you utilize the CPU 100% they first get warm - and then the fan starts ...
01:55 < rxr_mac> sten: jups - by placing the correct CD in the drive
01:55 < sten> rxr_mac: didn't know they had fans either.  How do you like the keyboard feel of it?
01:55 < daja77> does this means that they are not made for real stuff
01:55 < rxr_mac> the nice thing is that the rescue CD or the live CD (or whatever) might get filled with the package data for the normal installation.
01:55 < rxr_mac> it is not a fixed target per CD thing.
01:56 < sten> rxr_mac: ohhhhh.  That's a really good idea
01:56 < rxr_mac> daja77: they are made for real stuff - but at some time they need some cooling, too. But then they are still quite ...
01:56 < rxr_mac> qt deflating here ...
01:58 < rxr_mac> I permanetnly used a friends iBook one week to bootstrap a ROCK on ydl and then bootstrapped ROCK on ROCK.
01:58 < sten> rxr_mac: why the second bootstrap?
01:58 < rxr_mac> without a single power-off - and the fan never spun up - but it got warm (but only to a degree my low-end Gericom also reaches _with_ fan)
01:59 < rxr_mac> sten: because not all built the first turn - and I wanted to have clean packages. ...
02:00 < rxr_mac> subversion ...
02:01 < sten> rxr_mac: do you think 1.7 will bootstrap without errors at this point in time?
02:02 < rxr_mac> only minor errors
02:02 < sten> rxr_mac: "minor errors"?
02:02 < rxr_mac> as Mike1 posted arround 20 packages or so might fail
02:02 < daja77> yeah, who needs perl5
02:03 < rxr_mac> depending also whether you choose generic or desktop target
02:03 < rxr_mac> perl5? Only in a rebuild stage ...
02:03 < rxr_mac> and it is installed at this time - IIRC only shared files ....
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02:04 < daja77> ah yes, this shared files thing is evil :(
02:04 < rxr_mac> why ?
02:05 < Mike1> http://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/ROCK/1.7/
02:05 < daja77> I found it annoying that LPRng builds on cups not
02:05 < Mike1> Get ROCK Router Linux there
02:06 < rxr_mac> deflate finished
02:13 < Mike1> rxr_mac: ROCK Router build, boot, and routes!!!!!
02:13 * Mike1 is jumping around like crazy
02:14 < rxr_mac> the one from CVS - or did you modified s.th. ??
02:14 < Mike1> i modified some stuff
02:14 < Mike1> CVS is broken
02:14 < Mike1> will send a patch to fix it :)
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02:17 < sten> had a bit of devfs gliches, but I'm back, and ready to bootstrap
02:18 * sten imediates recedes into a corner to rtfm (the new one)
02:19 < rxr_mac> ok cu tomorrow
02:19 < rxr_mac> n8
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02:22 < daja77> I'm goin to bed now, cu tomorrow
02:22 < sten> night
02:23 < rxr> n8 from here too ;-)
02:23 < daja77> n8 rxr
02:23 < rxr> the iBook it now compiing some initual ROCK files again - to boot into ROCK tomorrow ...
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02:24 < sten> wow, config/default/config is a LOT longer these days
02:26 < sten> whoa, auto-detection of mirrors...
02:26 < Mike1> sten: enjoying it?
02:26 < sten> Mike1: it's amazing
02:26 < sten> ;-)
02:27 < Mike1> sten: is it anything like gentoo?
02:27 < sten> how much does ./scripts/Download -required download anyways?  About 200mb?
02:28 < Mike1> sten for generic target?
02:28 * Mike1 laughts
02:28 < Mike1> it needs 1.2gb
02:28 < sten> Mike1: well, gentoo strikes me as very American in its philosophy.  (eg: fast cars, not very good manuverability, not the best workmanship, but still, fast cars)
02:29 * Mike1 prefer european cars :)
02:29 < sten> yup ;-)
02:29 < Mike1> sten: sudenly some names come to my mind... bmw, ferrari..
02:30 < Mike1> :)
02:30 < sten> Japanese cars aren't all that bad if you're on a budget. (I'm a Canadian...neither European, or American, or Asian, or...)
02:31 < sten> Mike1: were you serious about needing 1.2 gigs for a base install?
02:31 < sten> Mike1: of bandwidth, that is
02:32 < Mike1> sten: if you just get -required as is from generic yes ia mserious it get up to 1.2gb
02:33 < Mike1> of course you can possible rm -rf package/<repos>/
02:33 < Mike1> to remove any repos you don't want to download
02:33 < Mike1> or even removed the packages :)
02:33 < Mike1> dirty to do but works
02:33 < sten> Mike1: what exactly does -required download?
02:34 < Mike1> download all "required" packages for the target you selected
02:34 < Mike1> very usefull for lets say other targets eg desktop opr router.
02:34 < sten> Mike1: so it's not going to download gnome, or anything, right?
02:34 < A-Tui> xpdf install needs have printer set?
02:34 < Mike1> sten: in generic i will simple not download the packages for other archs than the one you will be building
02:35 < Mike1> sten: oh yes it is, but you can 'rm -rf package/gnome*'
02:35 < Mike1> and no gnome will be downloaded and or build :)
02:35 < Mike1> A-Tui: 0_o
02:35 < sten> what are all of those people's names for?
02:35 < Mike1> sten: those are repositories
02:36 < A-Tui> xpdf give me an error when building
02:36 < sten> Mike1: do I need them?
02:36 < Mike1> each one belongs to a developer whon maintain the packages stored inside the dir
02:36 < A-Tui> the build seems to try to exec lpr command
02:36 < Mike1> sten: some of those packages are nice to have but are not what iw ould call _basic_
02:37 < Mike1> A-Tui: did you build lpr?
02:37 < A-Tui> yes i have lpr
02:37 < sten> Mike1: so they're like the private projects of the dir's respective developer?
02:37 < A-Tui> but i dont know in which package
02:37 < Mike1> sten not exactly
02:37 < sten> Mike1: packages they decided to contribute?
02:37 < sten> but leave optional
02:37 < Mike1> sten think of it as extensions in older rock versions
02:37 < sten> ?
02:37 < sten> ohhhh
02:38 * sten is still catching up
02:38 < Mike1> sten but better maintained than extensions on the old rock versions
02:38 < A-Tui> i build cups package
02:38 < Mike1> A-Tui: 1.7?
02:38 < A-Tui> 1.6
02:38 < Mike1> A-Tui: please report me any problems you have also send me patches so we get it fixed :)
02:39 * sten 's keeping rene for desktop target
02:39 < A-Tui> okas, i will try to build xpdf once time more
02:41 < sten> Mike1: this is really neat.  Gentoo uses env variables to which can be used in build scripts, but I like this simple BSD'esque approach
02:41 < sten> (using dir's)
02:42 < sten> phew, almost forgot to run ./scripts/Puzzle
02:43 < Mike1> sten: you don't need to :)
02:43 < Mike1> sten: this is not 1.5
02:43 < sten> Mike1: crazy...
02:43 * sten is STILL catching up...
02:43 < Mike1> sten: believe me there is _ALOT_ to catch up
02:44 < Mike1> ok sten i most go now
02:44 < Mike1> need to go home.
02:44 < Mike1> n8 all
02:44 < sten> Mike1: ok.  Thanks for the help/info/update
02:44 < sten> Mike1: n8
02:45 < Mike1> sten: we will continue tomorrow no worries :)
02:45 < sten> ok ;-)
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02:47 < sten> speaking of going...
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02:52 < A-Tui> fail is in t1lib build, not in xpdf
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03:38 < Demian> hi
03:39 < Demian> could someone tell me where is libimap.so files ? (which pkg)
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06:13 < Mike2> hi
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06:45 < blindcoder> moin
07:37 < esden> morgen ...
07:39 < esden> hmm ... the coffee tastes strange ...
07:43 < blindcoder> esden: there's a storm coming up... that's why the coffee tastes strange
07:43 < blindcoder> esden: moin btw ;)
07:43 < blindcoder> esden: I'm going to place an order at thinkgeek again: http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/megatokyo/coolthings/5e98/
07:44 < esden> ahh very good
07:45 < esden> I would like to have the MWN poster ;-)
07:45 < blindcoder> NWN poster? where?
07:45 < esden> no MWN
07:45 < esden> not NWN
07:45 < blindcoder> link?
07:45 < esden> mom
07:46 < esden> the link you posted
07:47 < esden> it is called MWN
07:47 < esden> take a look at merekatcreations site ;-)
07:47 < blindcoder> I know it as Endgames.. okayy, I'll order 2 then :)
07:47 < kasc> moin
07:47 < esden> moin kasc 
07:47 < blindcoder> moin kasc
07:47 < esden> I can not wait for the broken miho poster ;-)
07:48 < esden> I want it NOW
07:48 < blindcoder> esden: I'm still waiting with the order cause the MT Novel should become available during the day...
07:48 < esden> ahh good ... so you can order the novel for me too ;-)
07:49 < blindcoder> hehe :)
07:49 < kasc> MT Novel
07:50 < kasc> ?
07:50 < blindcoder> http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/megatokyo/coolthings/5c2a/
07:51 < esden> grr ... from wich anime is that tune >_<
07:51 < esden> CCS ???
07:51 < esden> hmm
07:51 < blindcoder> which tune?
07:51 < blindcoder> esden: have you tried the stream ripper yet?
07:52 < esden> no not yet .. but it is not usable here .. because I do not get the titles ... they are beeing sent udp or so ... and I do not get them through the proxy >_<
07:52 < blindcoder> hmm... I do.... strange
07:53 < blindcoder> I use transconnect with xmms... and I get the titles
07:55 < esden> transconnect would not help with aniverse ... it is running on port 3000
07:56 < blindcoder> hmm... I can use it here... and also nectarine
07:56 < blindcoder> but aniverse is sloooow
07:56 < esden> not at the moment
07:56 < esden> and in the night it is hearable ;-)
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09:20 < _NULL> morning
09:21 < blindcoder> moin
09:36 < sten> there are people here ;-)
09:36 < _NULL> hi sten
09:36 < _NULL> yeah... sure...
09:37 < sten> it's great to be using ROCK again...  (I haven't used it since 1.3.x)
09:37 < blindcoder> sten: smoetimes...
09:40 < sten> so what are you opinions on the low-latency patch?  I've been reading about it, and it looks like it breaks less then preempt
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09:50 < sten> quietest channel I've ever been in...  It's about 9am in Germany, right?
09:51 < _NULL> 09:51 a.m.
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09:52 < sten> almost.  I suppose it's a bit early for most students / employed.
09:52 < blindcoder> well, I'm at work for 3.5 hours now
09:53 < _NULL> and /me for about 1 hour
09:53 < blindcoder> brb... phone
09:53 < sten> I didn't it that way.  Just thought that not very many people would be on irc from work/school.
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09:55 < _NULL> ah. k. ;)
09:57 < sten> heh, it looks like I can barely speak English tonight... ("didn't it that way") ;-)
09:59 < _NULL> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! this programming language will cause my dead! help! fscking c#!
10:00 < sten> is it your first language?
10:01 < sten> (I'm working on C++ homework as we speak.  My first language)
10:02 < _NULL> sten: no. i speak: c/c++/c#/java/visual basic/html/java script
10:02 < sten> _NULL: can't C# act as some sort of wrapper around any of those?
10:04 * sten thought that was one of it's main selling points
10:04 < _NULL> sten: you ask me questions... i'm one of those people who have to learn the programming language without books, help or whatever.
10:04 < _NULL> i'm forced to code applications completly with c#/.ARG
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10:05 < _NULL> hi rxr
10:05 < blindcoder> hi rxr
10:08 < sten> _NULL: I found a tutorial covering from hello world to polymorphism, delegates, and exceptions. (in english) Do you want the link?
10:08 < _NULL> jup. would be great. thx :)
10:08 < rxr> hi all
10:09 < sten> _NULL:  http://www.softsteel.co.uk/tutorials/cSharp/cIndex.html
10:10 < _NULL> ok. thx
10:11 < sten> np.  hope that it's useful
10:13 * sten notices lilo failed to build, as expected.  (building from a running slackware system)
10:14 < _NULL> 1.7?
10:14 < sten> yup.  It's easy to fix though. (nasm was missing)  I can always boot from a floppy the first time ;-)
10:15 < _NULL> hm. k.
10:17 < sten> ROCK builds so much smoother then it did two years ago
10:18 < rxr> sten: nice to hear !!
10:20 < sten> the funny thing is, after a year with Gentoo, and a brief stint with Slackware, I was ready to go back to ROCK ala 1.3.  I'm still wow'ing as I catch up on everything that's changed.  (like an actual package manager!)
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10:22 < sten> (yes, curse me for leaving in the first place)
10:22 < daja77> hi sten, all
10:22 < sten> hi daja77
10:23 * daja77 curses sten
10:23 < sten> _NULL: lilo will get rebuild in stage 5, so now that nasm's installed, it'll work the way it should
10:24 < _NULL> hi daja77
10:24 < _NULL> hmhm. we will see
10:24 < daja77> hi _NULL
10:25 < sten> daja77: what can I say, I was young and impatient.  (package doesn't build?  mke2fs the unruly os!)
10:25 < daja77> *g*
10:26 < blindcoder> sten: now you've lost youth :) *j-k*
10:27 < daja77> moin blindcoder, still alive, ic
10:27 < rxr> the iBook has already running ROCK natively
10:27 < sten> blindcoder: ;-)  It was recently that time of year when people are reminded that they're a little less youthful
10:28 < daja77> rxr: hi, and congrats
10:28 < sten> rxr: ydl's gone for good now ;-)
10:28 < daja77> sten: happy birthday ;)
10:28 < blindcoder> daja77: yes... I just have no luck :(
10:28 < rxr> sten: not yet gone - it is still hosting yaboot ... ;-)
10:28 < blindcoder> sten: I'm really sorry to hear that :)
10:28 < sten> daja77: thanks ;-)
10:28 < rxr> But will go tonight ;-)
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10:30 < daja77> hey, my presentation made it to the rock linux hp
10:32 < rxr> ;-)
10:33 < sten> daja77: cool.  (I'm still looking, but can't find it.  URL?)
10:33 < daja77> sten: http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/home/start.php?gi=lectures&li=ltagrock but it is german
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10:34 < sten> daja77: I'll see if babelfish can help a bit
10:34 < daja77> ok then go for html version
10:36 < sten> what does "skirt" mean?
10:37 < daja77> huh?
10:37 < sten> must be a bad translation...  babelfish titled your report  "Skirt Linux" hehe
10:37 < daja77> *rofl*
10:37 < _NULL> haeh???
10:37 < _NULL> skirt linux?
10:38 < daja77> yeah, rock im german is skirt in english
10:38 < daja77> _NULL: trägst Du nie einen Rock?
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10:42 < sten> what does "begeisterungsfaehe users" mean?
10:43 < blindcoder> begeisterungsfaehige... encourageable users?
10:43 < daja77> hmm maybe
10:44 < sten> ok, that makes more sense.  brave, or adventurous users maybe?
10:44 < daja77> Begeisterungsfähigkeit {f} [psych.]surgency
10:44 < daja77> enthusiasm
10:45 < sten> ahhh.
10:47 < daja77> maybe we should adopt the name skirt linux as subtitle ;)
10:47 < blindcoder> hmm...
10:47 < sten> next to "Better then SEX" banner, no doubt
10:47 < blindcoder> maybe we can branch ROCK Linux at 2.0 and call the branch Skirt Linux :D
10:48 < sten> ;-)
10:48 < daja77> yeah, that would be fun
10:49 < sten> that'd make a nifty easter egg, if nothing else.  "Skirt" target anyone?
10:49 < daja77> sten: you are straight forward, eh
10:50 < sten> daja77: just realized how crude that was getting ;-(
10:50 < blindcoder> urks...
10:50 < blindcoder> compiling GLUT on a 800 MHz machine...
10:51 < daja77> what's the matter with it?
10:51 < sten> blindcoder: yes, I am worried now.  (I'm on a 750)
10:53 < daja77> sten: have a nice rock compiling week ;)
10:54 < blindcoder> muahaha
10:54 < blindcoder> hmm... complete ROCK 1.7 takes about 4 days on my 1.8 GHz machine
10:54 < daja77> it takes 2 on my 1800Mhz Athlon (including stage 9)
10:55 < sten> complete?  I'm only target desktop, which is smaller, right?
10:55 < blindcoder> yes... a bit...
10:57 < sten> I'm almost to stage 3/chroot now, and it's been compiling for six hours.  After chroot, it doesn't need to compile gcc/glibc again, right?
10:57 < blindcoder> erm... yes it doesn
10:57 < daja77> wait for gnome and kde ;)
10:58 < blindcoder> in stage 5 and 9
10:58 < sten> daja77: I know kde compiles in 12 hours....oh yeah, it compiles gnome too
10:58 < daja77> if you do stage 9 you can double everything
10:59 < sten> blindcoder: does stage 5 have a name?
10:59 < blindcoder> I don't think so
10:59 < sten> daja77: yeah, that stage is huge.  I see the point though.
11:00 < sten> daja77: (of the stage)  It's something I used to do "just in case" a long time ago anyway
11:03 * BOFH_org is back (gone 17:48:56)
11:03 < daja77> re BOFH_org
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11:04 < _NULL> hi BOFH_org
11:04 -!- tibit_ [~tibit@p508AAE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
11:04 < _NULL> hi Lorini_
11:04 < _NULL> and tibit_
11:04 < daja77> ah _NULL thought you vanished ;)
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11:06 < _NULL> daja77: ???
11:07 < daja77> _NULL: don't worry
11:07 < _NULL> sppry ,y brain ist not able to translate soemething , still
11:07 < _NULL> gnaaa... adn uster can't type
11:07 < sten> well, gotta go.  Nice talking to everyone
11:07 < daja77> _NULL: ic reboot yourself
11:07 < daja77> bye sten
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11:09 < _NULL> daja77: failed
11:09 < daja77> shutdown -r _NULL now
11:09 < _NULL> CRC error
11:10 < _NULL> user dead
11:10 < daja77> and talking, come on
11:10 < _NULL> cold cappuccino - *shivers*
11:10 < daja77> *urgs*
11:12 < _NULL> copy java code, paste it in visual studio.ARG... build it... the 'java' code runs *vbeg* nice copied, M$
11:13 < daja77> *rofl*
11:13 * daja77 is off now
11:15 < _NULL> bye daja77
11:15 < BOFH_org> hey guys and gals
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11:16 < _NULL> aeh. i'm a girl!
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11:18 < kasc_> moin
11:20 < rxr> hi kasc_
11:22 < _NULL> hi kasc_
11:28 < kasc_> daja77: you here?
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11:52 < Lorini_> good morning.. !
11:53 < BOFH_org> morning Lorini_
11:57 < kasc> moin Lorini_
11:59 < blindcoder> hi Lori!
12:01 < Lorini_> ui :)
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12:09 < daja77> kasc: what's up?
12:09 < kasc> daja77: when are you going to start your trip?
12:10 < daja77> tomorrow at 6.00
12:11 < kasc> do you still have the phoneNo from the youth hostel you booked?
12:11 < daja77> mom
12:11 < kasc> my next test is tuesday in a week not next week :)
12:11 < daja77> hehe, great
12:12 < daja77> you might book online if you like
12:13 < kasc> i prefer speaking to them
12:13 < daja77> they have no phone number on the hp, checking my mobile ;)
12:15 < kasc> Leiterstr.10 <-- that one?
12:16 < daja77> yes
12:16 < daja77> if you book online, you don't need a membership card
12:16 < kasc> i have one anyways ;)
12:16 < daja77> hehe, /me not
12:17 < daja77> try 03915321010, I think it is the number of the tourist info, but I might be wrong
12:18 * rxr off to work now - cu
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12:18 < kasc> thx
12:18 < daja77> kasc: if you want to spot me, watch out for the maniac wheelchair driver ;)
12:19 < kasc> hehe
12:19 < blindcoder> red hat is sick...
12:19 < kasc> i'd better fix my ssh then till tomorow...
12:19 < daja77> blindcoder: tell news
12:19 < blindcoder> gcc3 installed... but no libstdc++.so.3 ...
12:19 < blindcoder> only the so.2 version...
12:20 < daja77> install compat-libstdc++
12:20 < blindcoder> I can't install anythig here... well... I could install anything from ROCK but that's it :D
12:20 < blindcoder> not ROCK itself, though >_<
12:20 < daja77> kasc: bye and cu tomorrow
12:21 < daja77> blindcoder: rpm -ihv $wanted_rpm_package
12:21 < blindcoder> error: open of compat-libstdc++ failed: No such file or directory
12:22 < kasc> hopefully
12:22 < daja77> *argh* the package is called compat-* not the files
12:22 < blindcoder> daja77: you're talking to someone who never ever used rpm before...
12:23 < daja77> ok then ask me
12:23 < blindcoder> where can I get an rpm that contains stdc++.so.3 and how do I install it?
12:24 < blindcoder> without the Red Hat CDs
12:24 < daja77> which version?
12:25 < blindcoder> Red Hat 7.2
12:26 < kasc> daja77: when will you arrive there?
12:26 < daja77> I hope I'll be there at 9.00
12:26 < kasc> 8:52 by chance?
12:26 < daja77> huh?
12:27 * kasc 's currently looking for train connections ;)
12:27 < daja77> ah ok
12:27 < kasc> or do you go by car?
12:27 < daja77> I go by car
12:27 < kasc> ic
12:27 * daja77 is known as the helldriver :)
12:28 < blindcoder> daja77: hehe. my driving style was once described as... "interesting"
12:28 < blindcoder> daja77: or if you put it diferently: "Benjamin... every time I get out of your car I'm glad I'm alive"
12:29 < kasc> could you give me that url for the linuxtag again, pls? looks like i forgot bookmarking it :/
12:29 < daja77> blindcoder: http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/ftp-home/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/libstdc++3-3.0.1-3.i386.rpm
12:29 < kasc> blindcoder: did anyone kiss the ground after getting outta your car? *g*
12:30 < daja77> kasc: http://mdlug.de the bg button :)
12:30 < blindcoder> kasc: actually, martina did
12:30 < daja77> big even
12:30 < blindcoder> daja77: thanks :)
12:30 < daja77> installing: rpm -ihv libstdc++3-3.0.1-3.i386.rpm
12:31 < daja77> you can get a devel package as well on the same location
12:31 < blindcoder> okay, thanks
12:32 < daja77> well, I'm off again
12:34 < blindcoder> WEE! The power of Software Rendering :D
12:36 < blindcoder> ah, I'm so glad I modified XMMS
12:36 < blindcoder> finally an easy way to get cool songs :D
12:37 < _NULL> <-- getting something eatable. brb
12:38 < blindcoder> Weidmanns Heil!
12:38 < _NULL> thx.
12:54 < _NULL> re
12:57 < kasc> anyone else going to be there tomorrow?
13:01 < blindcoder> no
13:01 < blindcoder> _NULL: wb
13:01 < _NULL> thx
13:02 < Lorini> kasc: where?
13:05 < kasc> Lorini: 4. Linuxtag in Magdeburg
13:05 < Lorini> oh
13:19 * blindcoder also found something to eat right now! WEE!
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13:39 * daja77 materializes in front of screen
13:39 < daja77> kasc: I reserved a ticket for their party
13:41 < _NULL> gnaaaa. snow in munich! wtf?!!!
13:41 < daja77> _NULL: hehe
13:41 < daja77> sunshine here
13:42 < _NULL> blue sky with some clouds and snow. heeelp!
13:42 * daja77 is looking for a snowman construction kit for owl
13:43 < daja77> *rofl* http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/tol-04.04.03-000/
13:44 < blindcoder> WHAT?
13:44 < blindcoder> SNOW?
13:44 < blindcoder> WHERE?
13:44 < blindcoder> owlbright sunshine here in Sendling...
13:44 < blindcoder> omg... heise...
13:44 < daja77> yeah but nice message
13:45 < blindcoder> damn... it's a fake >_<
13:45 < daja77> hehe
13:45 < blindcoder> I just wonder why the Quotes dropped... IMO they should have skyrocketed
13:46 < _NULL> blindcoder: here it's still snowing a bit...
13:46 < daja77> because traders are dumb
13:46 < blindcoder> _NULL: where is "here"?
13:46 < blindcoder> daja77: yes, indeed
13:47 < _NULL> blindcoder: "here" is 80637 munich
13:47 < daja77> postfach?
13:47 < blindcoder> _NULL: wie heisst das Viertel?
13:48 < blindcoder> Sendling? Solln? Moosach?
13:49 < _NULL> blindcoder: dunno. i know that it's not far away from moosach. it's about - 500 to 1000 metres far away from the "olympiastation"
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13:51 * daja77 is goin for food :)
13:52 < blindcoder> _NULL: okay, then t's another part of munich than I am in :D
13:54 < _NULL> blindcoder: k.
14:08 < kasc> daja77: what party?
14:14 < BOFH_org> 2.5 kernel complains about initscripts needing to be modified to call pdflush instead of bdflush. how and where should I modify that ?
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14:18 < Lorini> hi Freak!
14:18 < _NULL> hi Freak
14:19 < Freak> hatschi.
14:19 < Freak> äh
14:19 < Freak> morgen.
14:19 < Lorini> moin :)
14:20 < Freak> wow ich hab grade nen netten effekt, dein name is verschwommen.
14:20 < Freak> aber nur ein Mal.
14:20 < Freak> ich hab nämlich grade mal *duck* mandrake 9.1 draufgeschmissen
14:20 < Lorini> mein name?
14:21 < Lorini> hm du machst komische sachen mit deinen sonderzeichen..
14:21 < Freak> ja das sagen alle aber das is unicode ;P
14:21 < Lorini> oki :) für mich sind es weiterhin komische sachen
14:21 < Lorini> na wie gehts dir?
14:22 < BOFH_org> wer?
14:22 < Freak> der mit de' scher.
14:22 < Freak> . o O ( das war schwäbisch )
14:22 < Lorini> hey freak ich hab grad gelesen dass wer in deiner nähe hamster abzugeben hätte :)
14:22 < BOFH_org> lol
14:23 < Lorini> willste nicht einen haben?
14:23 < BOFH_org> is german the preferred language in here ?
14:23 < Freak> Lorini: meinst du die schmecken meinem Kater oder wieso fragst du?
14:23 < Lorini> hm ok.. freak: do you want a hamster?
14:24 < Lorini> lol
14:24 < Freak> BOFH_org: it was kinda "accepted" to talk both english and german when I chatted here.
14:24 < Freak> BOFH_org: my answer in english: why, you think my cat would like 'em?
14:24 < blindcoder> Freak: it is if only german people are in here and is not limited to german
14:25 < BOFH_org> fair enough. it's just that my german isn't quite up to par
14:25 < blindcoder> but if other people are here then please speak english
14:25 < _NULL> (otherwise you will be killed ;)
14:25 < BOFH_org> I can read it, but writing is a whole different story
14:25 < Freak> blindcoder: I don't mind speaking english, I just gotta know if ppl speaking english-only are here. since he told me I switched so be quiet ;P
14:26 * Lorini is very quiet now
14:26 < BOFH_org> lol
14:26 < Freak> . o O ( I just thought writing "stfu" was too hard now ;) )
14:26 < BOFH_org> as long as the language doesn't switch to cantonese I'll be happy
14:26 < Freak> heh
14:26 < blindcoder> Freak: there was no offense intended
14:27 < BOFH_org> someone in here toyed around w/ the development kernels ?
14:27 < Freak> blindcoder: I didnt intend to offend you neither, I was just kidding :)
14:27 < blindcoder> not yet
14:27 < BOFH_org> pity
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14:58 < Freak> whoops..
15:08 < daja77> hi Freak, Lorini
15:08 < Freak> hi
15:08 < Lorini> hi
15:09 < daja77> kasc: the party they give after the event :)
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15:28 < rolla> re
15:28 < daja77> hi rolla
15:28 < daja77> how is the fight rolla vs. gnome going?
15:30 < _NULL> hi rolla
15:34 < rolla> daja77: it has been done for a whil
15:34 < daja77> so you have won?
15:38 < rolla> sos
15:38 < daja77> rolla: what help do you need?
15:45 < rolla> nothing it is just that I had to use garnome :)
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16:01 < kasc> daja77: does one need cards for that party?
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16:03 < esden> re hi all
16:03 < esden> japan rap ... ROFL
16:04 < Lorini> hi esden
16:04 < esden> hi Lorini!
16:05 < Lorini> :)
16:05 < Lorini> how was your night? *g*
16:05 < esden> terrible ... I have slept very nervously ... and not long enough
16:05 < Lorini> hmm
16:06 < esden> and yours?
16:06 < _NULL> hi esden
16:06 < Lorini> mine.. long and dreamless :)
16:06 < esden> hi owl
16:06 < blindcoder> rehi esden
16:06 < esden> re blindcoder 
16:06 < Lorini> huhu owl
16:06 < Lorini> .. and blindcoder
16:06 < blindcoder> hi Lori
16:07 < blindcoder> I'm so glad when I can get out of work today
16:07 < esden> Lorini: at least long ;-)
16:07 < Lorini> esden: *g*
16:09 * -> esden has to go back to learning >_<
16:09 < esden> *cry*
16:09 < Lorini> have fun :)
16:09 * blindcoder doesn't want to pick up the phone anymore *breakdown*
16:10 * Lorini is happy and has nothing to do.. *sing*
16:10 < esden> Lorini: thanks ... I will not have it .. but thanks anyway
16:10 < Lorini> i know, i know.. good luck
16:11 < esden> discrete structures suck ... *sigh* ... even if it is interesting *grrr*
16:12 < esden> Lorini: I hate you ... you should learn also a bit ... you know ... _mondey_?
16:12 < Lorini> grrr
16:12 < esden> muahaha
16:12 < Lorini> shut up you crazy creature :)
16:13 * -> esden crazy?
16:13 < Lorini> lol
16:13 < Lorini> i wont answer :)
16:13 < esden> I am not crazy ... hmm ... compared to you I am sane ;-)
16:13 < Lorini> lol
16:13 < Lorini> "crazy" is a compliment :)
16:13 < esden> aha ... 
16:13 < esden> hmm you may be right
16:14 < esden> in some way
16:14 < Lorini> who wants to be "normal"?
16:14 < Lorini> i _am_ right
16:14 < Lorini> (always)
16:14 < esden> me me *jump_around* ;-)
16:14 < Lorini> lol
16:14 < Lorini> go away :)
16:14 < esden> NO :P
16:14 * Lorini laughing
16:15 < esden> good that you are amused ...
16:15 < Lorini> lol
16:15 < Lorini> yes :)
16:16 < Lorini> anybody wants a piece of cucumber?
16:17 < rolla> ugh no
16:17 < Lorini> hm. does anybody know the meaning of "kostverächter"?
16:19 < esden> dict.leo.org says that this word does not exist ;-)
16:19 < Lorini> i found a new word!
16:20 < Lorini> *strike*
16:20 < esden> good ... and now?
16:20 < esden> you now can buy a lollypop for it ;-)
16:22 < Lorini> i dont like lollies
16:23 < esden> really? are you sure?
16:25 < Lorini> very sure
16:25 < esden> hmm very interesting *note*
16:25 < Lorini> lol
16:25 < Lorini> and i dont like flowers (very important)
16:26 < _NULL> aeh.
16:26 < esden> ok ... also very interesting *note*
16:26 < esden> owl?
16:26 < _NULL> nothing. just thinking "meinen teil" ;)
16:26 < Lorini> lol
16:26 < Lorini> better dont think "deinen teil" :)
16:26 < _NULL> why not?
16:27 < Lorini> because you make me neugierig :)
16:27 < esden> yes me too ... owl what do you think?
16:27 < _NULL> *gggg*
16:27 < _NULL> "meinen teil" i'm thinking
16:28 < _NULL> *vbeg*
16:28 < Lorini> grr
16:28 < esden> and what is "dein teil" ?
16:28 < _NULL> not your bussiness
16:28 < Lorini> what a pity i am too far away to come to you :)
16:29 < _NULL> to esden or to me? *vvvbg*
16:29 < Lorini> lol
16:29 < BOFH_org> hmmm. curiosity kills cats...
16:29 < BOFH_org> it *might* even kill other predators like owl as well....
16:29 < Lorini> owl: surely you know, whom i mean :)
16:29 < esden> Lorini: too far is a relative expression
16:30 < BOFH_org> eins zwei drei bier
16:30 < Lorini> esden: is there anything that isnt relative?
16:30 * BOFH_org is away: unzip;strip;touch;finger;mount;fsck;more;yes;fsck;umount;sleep
16:31 < Lorini> hm
16:31 < esden> Lorini: for sure there is ... some day there will be places found where the relativity is non existant
16:31 < Lorini> maybe :)
16:32 * Lorini feels bored
16:33 * blindcoder feels like he's at the end of his power
16:33 < _NULL> oh esden . you're too boring for Lorini
16:34 < esden> o_O ... so entertain her owl ... :P
16:34 < _NULL> aehm. no.
16:34 < esden> if you can do it better :P
16:35 < Lorini> lol
16:35 < _NULL> esden: it's your job
16:35 * Lorini is not a job!
16:36 < esden> my job? why?
16:36 < rolla> grrr
16:36 < rolla> i
16:36 < _NULL> .... hate gnome, @ rolla ?
16:36 < esden> rolla: you what?
16:36 < rolla> these gnome terminals are not showing german key mappings :(
16:37 < esden> And?
16:37 < rolla> it show a balnk where the char should be :(
16:38 < rolla> can't type in german with the,
16:38 < esden> ohh that is not good
16:38 < rolla> ja
16:39 < esden> number theory ... YUK
16:40 < rolla> äää
16:40 < rolla> :)
16:42 < blindcoder> TELEPHONES!!! AARRGGHH!!!!
16:42 < blindcoder> Whoever invented them should be shot, hanged, drowned and then SERIOUSLY hurt!!!
16:43 < rolla> ü
16:44 < daja77> re
16:44 < rolla> hmm now I need to see a german layout for keyboard
16:45 < daja77> kasc: yes http://www.mdlug.info/linuxtag2003/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=75&op=file&SubMenu=
16:46 < daja77> esden: hi
16:46 < esden> daja77: ho
16:46 < daja77> hi ho, yeah
16:49 < _NULL> off. bye
16:49 < daja77> bye _NULL
16:49 < esden> cu owl
16:49 < daja77> fscking cups
16:51 < esden> mathematicias have something are ill ... who can invent such stuff ...*sigh*
16:52 < daja77> esden is ready for hospital, ic
16:53 < blindcoder> not only him
16:53 < daja77> blindcoder: what happened to you?
16:53 < blindcoder> daja77: Hell Desk
16:53 < Lorini> esden: im not gonna write the klausur on monday
16:53 < daja77> Lorini is lazy .oO
16:53 < Lorini> no
16:54 * Lorini is realistic
16:54 < blindcoder> daja77: been at work for 12 hours straight yesterday and today seems to be even longer...
16:54 < blindcoder> daja77: and it's my FUCKING LAST DAY BEFORE VACATION!
16:54 < daja77> blindcoder: how the hell did you get this job
16:54 < blindcoder> daja77: dunno... must be my sheer 'luck'
16:54 < daja77> hehe, where do you go for vacation?
16:55 < blindcoder> daja77: to the miba http://www.miba-online.de :(
16:55 < blindcoder> daja77: usually there are like 7 eople here doin the same thing as me...
16:55 < blindcoder> daja77: yesterday we were TWO, and today I'm ALONE
16:55 < daja77> poor blindcoder
16:56 < daja77> ah yes that fair, but this is not really vacation, right?
16:56 < blindcoder> no, not really
16:57 < Mike1> moin all.
16:57 < blindcoder> it's work, only different plae and no payment
16:57 < daja77> hi Mike1
16:57 < blindcoder> moi Mike1
16:57 < daja77> blindcoder: and other idiots, hehe
16:57 < Lorini> moin Mike1
16:57 < rolla> m
16:57 < blindcoder> daja77: but at least I won't have to fix anyone computers there WEEEE
16:57 < blindcoder> but that's about the only good thing abou it :/
16:57 < daja77> :)
16:58 < daja77> blindcoder: maybe you can fix some lusers
16:58 * blindcoder takes out extra huge LART
16:59 * blindcoder now wields a +5 LART of increased damage
16:59 < blindcoder> I really have to cade that into nethack
16:59 < blindcoder> s/cade/code/
17:00 < daja77> anyone knows why cups is offering every useless interface but parallel port?
17:04 < daja77> who let this stupid gravenreuth moron out this friday?
17:05 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe
17:05 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEEEEEEE
17:05 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW
17:05 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEKEEEEEEEND
17:05 < blindcoder> HERE I COME!!!
17:05 < blindcoder> WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
17:05 < daja77> have fun
17:05 < Lorini> omg
17:05 < Mike1> Weed Kend?
17:05 < esden> have fun blindcoder 
17:05 < daja77> Lorini: don't worry about him
17:06 < blindcoder> not yet... but almost
17:06 < blindcoder> just a XFree86 Installation away
17:06 * Lorini shocked
17:06 < daja77> Lorini: why are you shocked?
17:07 < Lorini> ähm. too much loud noise in here :)
17:07 < daja77> hehe, don't talk that much :)
17:07 < esden> Lorini: blindcoder is a loud boy ;-)
17:07 < rolla> :)
17:07 < blindcoder> esden: no
17:07 < blindcoder> I'm just happy that I can FINALLY ALMOST GO HOME
17:08 < Mike1> rolla: daja77 did you guys had the chance to test my router?
17:08 < daja77> finally almost *rofl*
17:08 < daja77> Mike1: nope
17:08 < blindcoder> I just have to install new Xfree on my big baby @work
17:08 < daja77> the rh machine?
17:08 < blindcoder> yes
17:08 < blindcoder> 4x 2.0GHz-Xeon
17:08 < blindcoder> shouldn't take THAT long
17:08 < blindcoder> just compile it
17:08 < blindcoder> nothing more
17:09 < daja77> poser
17:09 < Lorini> lol
17:10 < blindcoder> I don't care :)
17:10 < rolla> Mike1: nope
17:10 < blindcoder> make -j32 World
17:10 * daja77 does not listen to blindcoder
17:11 < Mike1> rolla: daja77 somehow i knew you would say that.
17:11 < daja77> Mike1: don't be disappointed, I'll burn it later to carry it with me tomorrow :)
17:12 < daja77> kasc: here?
17:12 < Mike1> daja77: i am not disappointed no worries.
17:12 < daja77> :)
17:13 < kasc> yep
17:13 < kasc> (partially ;)
17:13 < daja77> kasc: have you got that link?
17:13 < kasc> link?
17:13 < daja77> <daja77> kasc: yes http://www.mdlug.info/linuxtag2003/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=75&op=file&SubMenu=
17:14 < daja77> I often quote myself, it adds spice to my conversation :)
17:14 < kasc> hehe
17:17 < Ge0rG> mdlug linuxtag? I'll be there too ;)
17:17 < daja77> hi Ge0rG, great (when shall we three meet again :))
17:18 < Ge0rG> hm... they are demanding money for the workshops? thats not very gnu...
17:18 < daja77> Ge0rG: that's ok workshops are difficult to make, believe me
17:19 < Ge0rG> daja77: ok, but I see it from the students point of view, not from a business persons one ;)
17:19 < kasc> i heared the workshops are not really worth listening. anyone experienced something like that?
17:20 < daja77> Ge0rG: this has nothing to do with business
17:20 * daja77 is a student too
17:20 < Ge0rG> daja77: I won't pay so much money to participate, but rather invest some hours to rtfm
17:21 < blindcoder> *argh*
17:21 < daja77> Ge0rG: I won't go to workshop, I'm over there to meet some friends and listen to some lectures maybe
17:21 < blindcoder> I hate them on aniverse-radio >_<
17:21 * Mike1 invests many hours on rtfm and doesn't have to pay anyone...
17:21 < blindcoder> I just stopped my stream-ripper and now they air a song I want to have >_<
17:21 < daja77> blindcoder: listen to real music :P
17:22 < Ge0rG> hm... maybe business informatics students are not the right ones to organize open source meetings... ;)
17:22 < blindcoder> don't show me your tongue if don't intend to use it!
17:22 < daja77> blindcoder: *urgs*
17:23 < Mike1> blindcoder: the questions is.. do you want him to use it?
17:23 < Ge0rG> IMHO everything there sounds way too commercial... like "Die Vortragsunterlagen und mögliche weiterführende Informationen sind auf der CD zum 4. Magdeburger Linuxtag enthalten, welche Sie verbindlich bestellen können."
17:23 < daja77> Ge0rG: yeah maybe Linuxtag in Chemnitz is better anyway :)
17:23 < blindcoder> hmm... 270 MB ripped in one day... not bad :)
17:24 < Ge0rG> daja77: I think the first presentation I'm going to visit is the email thing by sven guckes (14:15)
17:24 < kasc> quite expensive...
17:24 < daja77> Ge0rG: as I explained to kasc if you want to spot me, watch out for the maniac wheelchair driver :)
17:24 < daja77> Ge0rG: sven's lectures are always fun
17:25 < Ge0rG> daja77: yeah, the last time the discussion lasted way longer than planned ;)
17:25 * daja77 is a friend of sven guckes
17:26 < Ge0rG> hm... maybe should I take along my notebook?
17:26 * Mike1 is a friend of Daniel Jahre
17:26 < daja77> thx Mike
17:26 < Mike1> daja77: ;-)
17:27 * blindcoder now uploading 270 MB from work to home :)
17:28 < daja77> Mike1: btw, it is hardly possible to get a flight to cr, so don't tell me your tourist industry suffers
17:28 * Mike1 considering to start making downloads from blindy's machine :)
17:28 < Mike1> daja77: *gg*
17:29 < Mike1> daja77: are you comming?
17:29 < daja77> I'd like to, but it is too expensive, I fear
17:29 < Mike1> daja77: define expensive?
17:30 < blindcoder> Mike1: right now that woulb be... difficult :)
17:30 < daja77> 780 Euro + taxes the flight only
17:30 < Mike1> blindcoder: i would only do to still some of your bw and piss you off :)
17:30 < Mike1> daja77: try british airways
17:31 < blindcoder> Mike1: well, then go ahead. The Upload will run nonetheless :)
17:31 < Mike1> blindcoder: arrggg
17:31 < Mike1> :)
17:31 < blindcoder> 270MB ripped.tar
17:31 < blindcoder> :D
17:31 < blindcoder> ripped via xmms from radio-stream :D
17:31 * Mike1 now doing work on 1.6
17:32 < kasc> daja77: do you know it its still possible to buy a ticket for the night event tomorrow?
17:33 < daja77> I think so, but can't tell for sure
17:33 < kasc> think i'll see then ;)
17:34 < daja77> kasc: yes it is expensive, I hope it is good, otherwise it will be my last visit
17:35 < kasc> do you have a gpg key?
17:35 < daja77> yes
17:35 < kasc> at least we could sign each other's keys then
17:35 < daja77> hmm, I never used it, but anyway we could do this :)
17:38 * daja77 is going to buy some stuff for refilling fridge :)
17:38 * daja77 is away: I'm busy
17:39 < blindcoder> Xfree86 is starnge...
17:39 < blindcoder> libc_wrapper.c
17:39 < blindcoder> errm...
17:39 < kasc> bbl
17:47 < blindcoder> okay Xfree86 built
17:54 < blindcoder> okay... done...
17:54 < blindcoder> I can't believe it...
17:54 * blindcoder going HOME!!! WOOHOOOOOOOOO!
18:34 * daja77 is back (gone 00:55:50)
18:35 < Mike1> wb daja77
18:35 < daja77> thx even if I'm only half here
18:35 < Mike1> why only half?
18:36 < daja77> the other half is learning
18:36 < daja77> and the rest is cursing cups
18:36 < Mike1> ah ok.
18:36 * Mike1 back to 1.6
18:40 * daja77 is sponsoring cookies for anyone who enlightens me
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19:02 < blindcoder> WEE!
19:02 * blindcoder @ home
19:02 < Lorini_> lol
19:02 < Mike1> blindy happy?
19:02 < Lorini_> happy blindy :)
19:02 < blindcoder> well, I feel good, is that enaugh @Mike1 :)
19:02 < blindcoder> Lorini_: well, I'm happy htat my vacation has started now :)
19:03 < Lorini_> *g*
19:05 < blindcoder> and I think I'll replace my ess Solo-1 with my new SB! Live 5.1 now...
19:06 < Mike1> blindcoder: "i feel good... tananana ..." :)
19:13 < blindcoder> Mike1: no, Akan's BAKA-SONG :D
19:13 * blindcoder now checking through the files he ripped from aniverse-radio today
19:15 < blindcoder> OMFG!!!
19:15 < blindcoder> Asian Pride - Pikachu Rap
19:17 < esden> rofl
19:17 < blindcoder> esden: indeed :D
19:17 < blindcoder> esden: I think I'll keep it for laughing value :D
19:18 * Mike1 imagines _NULL dancing the "Pikachu Rap"
19:18 < esden> lol
19:18 < esden> blindcoder: where can I get it ?
19:18 * blindcoder rolling on the floor laughing his @$$ off
19:18 < blindcoder> esden: mom
19:18 < Mike1> :)
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20:01 < kasc> re
20:04 < Mike1> wb kasc
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20:06 < dreamind> Hi
20:06 < Mike1> greetings dreamind!
20:06 < Mike1> dreamind: how is oroborus doing?
20:06 < dreamind> Hi Mike1 :)
20:07 < dreamind> well currently I'm occupied evaluating DNS servers :)
20:07 < dreamind> I think we/I will choose PowerDNS :)
20:08 < _NULL> re
20:08 < kasc> thx
20:17 < Lorini_> hi owl
20:18 < _NULL> hi Lorini_
20:19 -!- Lorini_ is now known as Lorini
20:19 < Lorini> i hate these _
20:19 < Mike1> ________________
20:19 < _NULL> hm.
20:19 < Lorini> lol
20:19 * blindcoder hates kernel compiling
20:19 < Mike1> blindcoder: would you prefer rpms?
20:20 * blindcoder stabs Mike1 with a wooden spoon
20:20 < Mike1> blindcoder: hehe
20:20 < _NULL> hi blindcoder
20:20 < blindcoder> hi _NULL
20:20 < esden> argh ... I need a book about gimp >_<
20:21 < Mike1> book !?!?!
20:21 < esden> yes ... 
20:21 < Mike1> Oreilly?
20:21 < Mike1> :)
20:21 < esden> they describe there the usage of it very good
20:22 * -> esden too stupid to use it ...
20:22 * -> esden needs sleep
20:24 < Mike1> sleep is only for mortals, esden wtf would _u_ need sleep?
20:26 < esden> dunno
20:26 < Mike1> esden: CODE!
20:27 < Mike1> Alpha port needs to be re-written.
20:27 < Mike1> LCDemu needs code cleanup..
20:27 < esden> :P
20:27 < dreamind> Hi esden ;)
20:27 < Mike1> esden: also dietlibc needs work..
20:27 < blindcoder> linux kernel needs to become microkernel! esden, go to work!
20:27 < esden> hi dreamind 
20:27 < dreamind> somebody using ldap here?
20:28 < esden> blindcoder: yes sure
20:28 < Mike1> esden: *work* *work* *work* *work*
20:28 < esden> Mike1: work too ... the router target is still not ready !!!
20:29 < esden> go work ... code !!!
20:29 * blindcoder now working, exchanging Solo-1 for a SB! Live
20:29 < blindcoder> bbl
20:29 < Mike1> esden: i am working :)
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20:30 < Mike1> dreamind: oroborus is not included in rock yet, include it *work* *work*
20:30 < Mike1> _NULL: we need coffee!!
20:31 < Mike1> *ggg*
20:31 < dreamind> Mike1: well I currently don't run rocklinux :)
20:31 < _NULL> coffee? no coffee... but a bottle of liqueure...
20:31 < dreamind> I wanted to install rocklinux in a chroot, but hadn't yet the time to do so
20:31 < Mike1> _NULL: i will not share that bottle with any more people than you ..
20:31 < _NULL> Mike1: it's my bottle! *grml*
20:32 < Mike1> _NULL: you are sharing it with me, so its _our_ bottle
20:32 < _NULL> Mike1: pah ;P
20:32 < Mike1> :)
21:13 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FA3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:13 < blindcoder> okay, so this makes me the only person alive with a working ALSA, doesn't it? :D
21:13 < _NULL> nope... i'm also having alsa... ;)
21:13 < blindcoder> hehe :)
21:13 < _NULL> (a working, too)
21:14 < blindcoder> hihi
21:14 < _NULL> hrm.
21:14 < Mike1> blindcoder: you are not the only one sorry
21:14 * Mike1 too
21:14 < blindcoder> could someone message me on icq? I want to know if this really mworks now
21:14 < _NULL> uin?
21:14 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:14 < rxr> re
21:15 < _NULL> hi rxr
21:15 * rxr busy ...
21:15 < rxr>  ;-)
21:15 * Mike1 not an icq user blindcoder sorry
21:15 < Mike1> greeting rxr_always_busy
21:15 < blindcoder> Mike1, owl: I remember someone in #gametome saying that noone has a working ALSO config... and me being able to use it after ten minues (7 minutes being compiling ALSO with ROCK :)
21:15 < _NULL> hehe
21:15 * blindcoder 's UIN: 16854632
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21:21 < daja77> re
21:22 < daja77> good evening everybody
21:23 < Mike1> mike@odin:~ > date
21:23 < Mike1> Fri Apr  4 13:24:21 CST 2003
21:23 < Mike1> evenng... mm..
21:23 < _NULL> re daja77
21:23 < Mike1> *g
21:23 < daja77> good afternoon for Mike1 and rolla *g*
21:23 < daja77> re _NULL
21:24 * daja77 comes from a painful printing session @ his parent's
21:27 * blindcoder @anime
21:27 < kasc> daja77: gnomemeeting is finished. wanna test?
21:28 * rolla is tired
21:28 < Mike1> rolla: still?
21:28 < rolla> yes still sick
21:28 < Mike1> rolla: ouch
21:28 < daja77> kasc: how?
21:29 < kasc> s/finished/packaged/
21:29 < daja77> kasc, I've no rock box to test it now :(
21:29 < kasc> aww
21:29 < daja77> ??
21:30 < kasc> anyway, i'll submit it as soon as my testbuild is through
21:30 < daja77> ok
21:57 < daja77> can anyone hear me?
21:57 < ringo78_> I can see you on the screen .... ;-)
21:57 < Mike1> could you speak a little bit loader, i can't hear you ...
21:57 < ringo78_> HI all btw
21:58 < daja77> Mike1: NO PROBLEM
21:58 < Mike1> laughter*
21:58 < daja77> hi ringo78_
21:58 < Mike1> ringo78_: Welcome!
21:58 < daja77> sorry guys but my router was half down, irc seemed to be the only thing that was still working
22:00 < ringo78_> Mike1: Thank you daja77 : You could uuencode some samples at #flood ;-)
22:00 < daja77> ringo78_: huh?
22:01 < ringo78_> daja77: I can hear you if you uuencode some soundsamples and paste in #flood... Then you only need irc...
22:01 < daja77> ringo78_: you are so damn funny tonight
22:02 < ringo78_> daja77: Thanks I think its the headache...
22:02 < ringo78_> daja77: Irssi script will do the job ;-)
22:03 < daja77> don't use irrsi
22:03 * Mike1 away eating
22:03 < ringo78_> I love irssi it uses perl scripts. Mike1 : bon apetite !
22:04 < daja77> hmm there are other clients doin this, btw I dislike perl
22:07 < _NULL> Mike1: guten appettit (and: nehme dir kein vorbild an meinem fehlerhaften deu
22:07 < _NULL> tsch)
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22:19 < rolla> daja77: I have lost all repect for you now
22:20 < daja77> rolla: ??
22:20 < rolla> you don't like perl
22:21 < daja77> *lol*, does this makes me a worse person
22:21 < rolla> yes
22:21 < rolla> ranks you up there with emacs users
22:21 < daja77> oh shit, I should have known better when to shut up :)
22:22 < daja77> rolla: don't, I hate emacs
22:23 < rolla> you are in the same boat now
22:23 < daja77> NO!
22:23 < rolla> too late
22:23 < daja77> I hate lisp and perl
22:24 < daja77> rolla: be a man write in C
22:24 < rolla> too bad for you
22:24 < rolla> daja77: why write system stuff in c
22:24 < daja77> the system is not written in perl, right?
22:25 < rolla> system admin
22:25 < daja77> I just hate the fact that perl is so bloated
22:25 < rolla> bloated?
22:25 < rolla> whatever
22:26 < daja77> read: it is fat
22:26 < rolla> so is everthing these days
22:26 < rolla> even your beloved C
22:26 < daja77> *sigh* I fear you are right
22:26 < daja77> you mean glibc, *gnarf* this doesn't count
22:35 < daja77> rolla: I still have respect for, I don't care which languages you like and which not
22:36 < daja77> kasc: are you still here?
22:38 < rolla> :)
22:38 < daja77> well bye, cu guys later, kasc cu tomorrow :)
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22:44 < Mike1> re
22:45 < Freak> Mike1!
22:45 < Mike1> Freak: !!!!
22:45 < Freak> =)
22:46 < Mike1> wtf have you been all this time?
22:47 < Mike1> Freak: ?
22:49 < Freak> I told you guys I left freenode.
22:49 < Mike1> Freak: you didn't told me..
22:49 < Mike1> Freak: why did you left it?
22:49 < Freak> of course I did, you visited me on oftc
22:50 < Mike1> ich??
22:50 < Freak> absolutely.
22:50 < Mike1> mm..
23:07 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49F62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:08 < tcr> moin all
23:08 < Mike1> huhu tcr.
23:19 < rxr> hi
23:20 < Mike1> hi rxr
23:21 < rxr> hi Mike1
23:21 < Mike1> rxr: when will you update kde to 3.1.1 ?
23:22 < rxr> hm it is.
23:22 < rxr> L] GPL
23:22 < rxr> [S] Stable
23:22 < rxr> [V] 3.1.1
23:22 < rxr> [P] X -----5---9 478.000
23:22 < rxr> [D] 1085659068 kdelibs-3.1.1.tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1.1/src/
23:22 < rxr> where is the prob ???? ?!?!?
23:23 < Mike1> *g
23:23 < rxr> today I decided about my next laptop.
23:23 < Mike1> np problem sorry wrong src tarball here
23:23 < rxr> will be a powerpc machine ;-)
23:23 < Mike1> rxr: will it be an iBook?
23:24 < Mike1> good.
23:24 < rxr> or powerbook
23:24 < tcr> hmm, bash is damn slow... _really_ slow, no I'm still not rightly expressing its slowness... damn!
23:25 * Mike1 considering to ask rxr for a status report on the sparc64 port ...
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23:27 < rxr> Mike1: Hm? I just reported yesterday? Is this a joke - or are you really curious ?
23:28 < rxr> tcr: jups bash is slow.
23:29 < Mike1> rxr: i didn't receive that report
23:30 < Mike1> rxr: i'm not joking btw
23:30 < rxr> Hm - I cutn't pasted the result of my current build last night - and you complaint about the flood ...
23:30 < Mike1> argggg!!!!!!!!!!
23:31 < Mike1> rxr: i though it was something related to ppc
23:31 * Mike1 searching logs...
23:31 < rxr> ok here the currentl status (20 hours after my last one):
23:31 < Mike1> :)
23:32 < rxr> oh finished ;-) (/me wondering):
23:32 < rxr> 582 builds total, 524 completed fine, 58 with errors.
23:32 < rxr> do you want to get the error list?
23:32 < Mike1> please :)
23:32 < rxr> Error logs from system-1.7-snapshot-sparc-v9-32-desktop-expert:
23:32 < rxr>  [1] base/dietlibc                       [1] base/curl
23:32 < rxr>  [3] base/dietlibc                       [3] base/strace
23:32 < rxr>  [5] base/gdb                            [5] base/mtools
23:32 < rxr>  [5] base/alsa                           [5] rene/lm_sensors
23:32 < rxr>  [5] rene/jack                           [5] x11/tcltk
23:32 < rxr>  [5] rene/emacs-xemacs-shared            [5] gnome2/libbonobouimm14
23:32 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gstreamer10                  [5] gnome2/gst-plugins10
23:33 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gtk-perl10                   [5] gnome2/bug-buddy22
23:33 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gnomemm-all20                [5] gnome2/gnome-media22
23:33 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gnome-nautilus-media         [5] x11/mozilla
23:33 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gimp14                       [5] rene/sylpheed
23:33 < rxr>  [5] rene/xzgv                           [5] gnome2/gnumeric12
23:33 < rxr>  [5] rene/avifile                        [5] rene/ogle
23:33 < rxr>  [5] rene/gamix                          [5] rene/gsmp
23:33 < rxr>  [5] tibit/ctags                         [5] rene/kdevelop
23:33 < rxr>  [5] rene/kmatplot                       [5] clifford/sweep
23:33 < rxr>  [5] rene/subversion                     [5] rene/vnc
23:33 < tcr> gdb o_O?
23:33 < rxr>  [5] tibit/nvrec                         [5] miguel/mplayer
23:33 < rxr>  [5] rene/transcode                      [5] rene/octave
23:33 < rxr>  [5] base/softdog                        [5] base/kbd
23:33 < rxr>  [5] base/pcmcia-cs                      [5] alessandro/vsftpd
23:33 < tcr> alsa? Hmm
23:33 < rxr>  [5] base/nssdb                          [5] sparc/silo
23:33 < rxr>  [5] kasc/paragui                        [5] kasc/scilab
23:33 < rxr>  [5] rene/anjuta                         [5] kasc/libsdl_perl
23:33 < rxr>  [5] kasc/clanlib                        [5] kasc/freedroid
23:33 < rxr>  [5] kasc/frozen-bubble                  [5] kasc/openglad
23:33 < rxr>  [5] kasc/powermanga                     [5] kasc/rocksndiamonds
23:33 < rxr>  [5] kasc/squaroid                       [5] kasc/toppler
23:33 < Mike1> 0_o silo
23:33 < rxr>  [7] base/perl5                          [7] base/rfc
23:33 < rxr> in other words: most important stuff compiled ...
23:34 < Mike1> silo and perl5 are important...
23:34 < tcr> hmm btw
23:34 < esden> rxr: ???
23:34 < rxr> the perl thing should be the usual shared files error ...
23:34 < rxr> hi esden
23:34 < Mike1> rxr maybe you want to put the errors together on a tarball for me and mail them? if its ok with you /
23:34 < esden> hi rxr 
23:34 < Mike1> rxr: no its no.
23:34 < tcr> new version of strace has been released today
23:35 < Mike1> rxr: has been braking for me too.
23:35 < Mike1> rxr: also pcmcia-cs can't find insmod / rmmod
23:35 < rxr> Mike1: I wrote _most_ important - not all
23:35 < Mike1> rxr: yeah :)
23:35 < rxr> btw - the sun's uptime:
23:35 < rxr> root@thesun:/mnt/rock/rock-1.7-orig# uptime
23:35 < rxr>  21:36:28 up 32 days, 20:21,  2 users,  load average: 1.04, 0.43, 0.16
23:36 < Mike1> nice.
23:36 < rxr> the kernel is:
23:36 < rxr> Linux version 2.4.20 (root@thesun.localnet) (gcc version 3.2.2) #3 Sun Feb 9 16:56:31 Local time zone must be set--see zic manua
23:36 < tcr> So...
23:36 < Mike1> rxr Ultra 50 right?
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23:36 < Mike1> -0
23:36 < tcr> anyone here willing to update strace and openssh?
23:36 < rxr> if someone still want's to tell me the gcc-3.2.2 is not able to produce working SPARC 64bit kernels ....
23:36 < rxr> he is free to come over and take a look on this box ...
23:37 < rxr> tcr: I could do this ...
23:37 < Mike1> rxr: i know one person who doesn't agree, fede2 from #splack
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23:37 < rxr> Mike1: no Ultra 5 not 50 ...
23:37 < Mike1> rxr: yeah i said -0 :)
23:37 < rxr> Mike1: he is free to use the crippled egcs-<$special-$magic-version>
23:38 * rxr building the install/boot part for the SPARC box ...
23:38 < Mike1> rxr: no wonder why splack is a quite a mess
23:38 < rxr> a recent SPARC box would be nice ...
23:39 < Mike1> rxr: sharing the isos with the rest of interested in sparc would be nice too ..
23:39 < Mike1> rest of us**
23:40 < rxr> first I would have to fix some things and implement the install target boot part for sparc ...
23:40 < rxr> but currently the sparc box is monitor-less in a dusty corner crunching the rock build ...
23:41 * Mike1 feels pain in his heart just imaginating that poor sparc :((
23:42 < rxr> *lol*
23:42 < rxr> ok it is on a table - not a corner - and it is not dusty ;-)
23:42 < tcr> Hmm, when many moons have risen and I've finally come back to rock developing, I might spend a lot of work to make most of the rockscripts POSIX compliant, so that one can using ash instead of bash. This should incrase the speed by 40-60%
23:42 * Mike1 feel better now, rxr please don't make her suffer.
23:42 < Mike1> :)
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23:43 < Mike1> tcr: do you promise?
23:43 < rxr> hm - maybe we should start a new bash implementatin - I do not see a reason why a shell needs to be that slow ...
23:43 < Mike1> tcr: btw why did you left rock development for all this moons ?
23:43 < Mike1> wb Freak
23:43 < rxr> Mike1: *lol* - you can be sure, all my technic gadgets have a nice home here.
23:44 < Mike1> == 16:35:28 =[9]=> Building base/minicom [2.00.0 1.7-snapshot].
23:44 < Freak> re
23:44 < Mike1> uurgg i need a perl5.gem
23:45 < Mike1> rxr: do you have a perl5.gem for ix86 that i can use?
23:46 < rxr> hehe - my ROCK Linux develper tool-chain improved again
23:47 < Mike1> ?!?!
23:47 < rxr> no it also extracts the changelog for the Create4Clifford case ;-)
23:47 < tcr> Mike1: personal projects... Programming/hacking must be considered as art, and as such one thing can get boring very quickly (one reason why most hackers are afraid of mainting something)... When time comes, and i'm interesed in developing and when I just feel like do so, I won't hesitate...
23:48 < Mike1> tcr: ah ok.
23:48 < rxr> argh
23:48 < Mike1> tcr: so the nice and friendly tcr that we all know is back?
23:48 < rxr> du is stupid
23:49 < rxr> Mike1: why do you need a perl.gem so quickly ?
23:49 < rxr> no Build-Pkg neadby ?
23:50 < Mike1> rxr: just wanted to test something.
23:50 < Mike1> guess i will create it..
23:51 < rxr> esden: do you known du in depth?
23:51 < rxr> I have files like this:
23:51 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          916 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-Documentation.patch
23:52 < rxr> the stupid du gives me:
23:52 < rxr> 4.0k    2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-Documentation.patch
23:52 < esden> rxr: ???
23:52 < rxr> orroot:/home/rene/develop/rock# du -b 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-*
23:52 < rxr> 4096    2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-Documentation.patch
23:52 < rxr> but this is reiserfs - and it doesn't eat a whole disk-block
23:52 < rxr> I want this 916 as result !!!
23:52 < rxr> any idea ?
23:53 * -> esden no idea
23:53 < tcr> rxr: Well... it then really seems to eat a whole disk block
23:54 < tcr> rxr: ls -l counts the bytes a file actually has, du the actual disk space that's occupied
23:56 < rxr> jups but I need the sum - extracting the ls output again and again would be a bit slow ...
23:56 < tcr> ls -l also gives a total: when being run on several files
23:57 < rxr> ah! Yes that is an idea ;-)
23:57 < tcr> There might be even an option to just display that (so that a call to head would be made unncessary)
23:58 < tcr> Though as far as I remember I didn't succeed in finding one last I looked
23:59 < rxr> erhm - I do not get the total used size? Do you have the option for this handy ?
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