--- Log opened Sat Apr 05 00:00:39 2003
--- Day changed Sat Apr 05 2003
00:00 < tcr> -h i guess
00:01 < rxr> hm no
00:01 < tcr> well -h together with -l of course ;)
00:03 < rxr> root:/home/rene/develop/rock# ls -l -h 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-*
00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          916 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-Documentation.patch
00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          417 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-base.patch
00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          380 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-gnome14.patch
00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          422 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-gnome2.patch
00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          519 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-kasc.patch
00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         8.6k Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-rene.patch
00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          331 Apr  4 23:50 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-x11.patch
00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1010 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-target.patch
00:04 < tcr> ls of GNU fileutils 4.1.11?
00:04 < rxr> ls (fileutils) 4.1
00:04 < rxr>  ...
00:05 < tcr> Hah. Well, should that become a portable script or just one for your own needs?
00:06 < rxr> hm - I once posted the scripts to the ML - but I guess 98% used by me alone ...
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00:07 < Mike1> wb Lorini
00:07 < Lorini> re
00:07 < tcr> rxr: Is rock-1.7 not up to date concerning the bunch of gnu utils?
00:07 < rxr> it is
00:07 < rxr> but the latest stable is 4.1
00:07 < rxr> the 4.1.11 is alpha
00:08 < rxr> but I bumped the version just a second ago ...
00:08 < tcr> alpha? O_o
00:08 < rxr> jups take a look at ftp.gnu.org
00:08 < rxr> and alpha.gnu.org
00:08 < rxr> the first has 4.1
00:08 < rxr> the second 4.1.11 ...
00:08 < tcr> Hmm.
00:08 < rxr> someone wanted me to update some packages - which one was this ?
00:09 < tcr> strace and openssh
00:09 < tcr> however I'm using that 4.1.11 version since the day it has been announced... and havent encoutnered any bug so far
00:09 < rxr> ah strace openssh
00:10 < rxr> oh - thanks tcr ;-)
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00:12 < demian> hi
00:12 < rxr> tcr: done
00:14 < rolla> \:)
00:15 < tcr> I hate debian folks...
00:15 < tcr> they're doing just work that makes something compilable on debian systems
00:15 < rolla> :)
00:15 < demian> cya
00:15 < tcr> The version of ash shipped with rock seems quite old (from 96 or so)
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00:16 < tcr> But debian adapted a netbsd port of it...
00:16 < rxr> == 00:18:42 =[9]=> Building base/strace [4.4.94 1.7-snapshot].
00:16 < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.strace.1049494715.9173.3656024229
00:16 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out
00:16 < rxr> !> strace.c: In function `detach':
00:16 < rxr> !> strace.c:1098: `PTRACE_SUNDETACH' undeclared (first use  ..
00:16 < rxr> !> strace.c:1098: (Each undeclared identifier is reported o ..
00:16 < rxr> !> strace.c:1098: for each function it appears in.)
00:16 < rxr> !> make[1]: *** [strace.o] Error 1
00:16 < rxr> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rene/develop/rock/rock ..
00:16 < rxr> !> make: *** [all] Error 2
00:16 < rxr> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out -> 9-strace.err
00:16 < rxr> == 04/05/03 00:19:21 =[9]=> Aborted building package strace.
00:17 < tcr> the source is gettable from their homepage... but the makefile within this package is just suited to bsd systems, and the debian/ directory just contains stuff for debian
00:17 < tcr> so de facto I can't do anything with this without sticking with the code
00:21 < rxr> tcr: did you tested strace ?
00:21 < tcr> Hmm...
00:21 < tcr> mom
00:22 < tcr> Oups seems I forgot to actualy compile it (downloaded it already...)
00:27 < rxr> tcr: could you try to compile ?
00:30 < tcr> hmm... ok but it'll take a while
00:31 < rxr> tcr: updateing fileutils is a bad idea
00:31 < rxr> they are mering some pakcages into coreutils - and in the current alpha state of the package the info/man pages clash ...
00:31 < rxr> so I leave the stable 4.1 release  until the GNU folks release s.th. useable ...
00:35 * rxr testing an slightly older strace ...
00:40 < rxr> tcr: any news about strace?
00:40 < rxr> Seems to be some red-had kernel only source or so ...
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00:42 < tcr> hmm
00:42 < tcr> yeah i'm also getting compile erros
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00:46 < tcr> Ok got it to compile now
00:46 < rxr> oops my fault
00:47 < rxr> accidently compiled SPARC code on a Athlon ...
00:47 < tcr> Tss.. ;)
00:47 < rxr> no wonder some #include <asm/...> files and definitions are not there ...
00:47 < rxr> == 00:50:08 =[9]=> Building base/strace [4.4.94 1.7-snapshot].
00:47 < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.strace.1049496606.25306.1173086146
00:47 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out
00:47 < rxr> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out -> 9-strace.log
00:47 < rxr> == 04/05/03 00:50:41 =[9]=> Finished building package strace.
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00:48 < A-Tui> hi
00:48 < tcr> I simply didn't pass the right location for the kernel headers to it (default are the 2.5.x sources here, but it requires 2.4 kernels as it seems)
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00:56 < rxr> tcr: I also worked arround my file size problem I had with du ...
00:59 < tcr> Wrote your own app? ;)
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01:03 < tcr> Ok, answered to that bojan guy
01:11 < tcr> gn8 all
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01:39 < rxr> n8 - cu
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01:44 < A-Tui> anyone knows which packages contain sgml-tools?
01:45 < Mike1> party time
01:45 < Mike1> cu all tomorrow
01:45 < A-Tui> bye
01:45 < Mike1> cu Aitor :)
01:45 < A-Tui> cu too :)
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01:57 < sten> does anyone know where I can get a rescue.tbz2?
01:58 < sten> (for building)
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02:53 < sten> does anyone know where I can get a rescue.tbz2 to chroot to, to build ROCK on a running system?
02:55 < A-Tui> mmm i didn't use a rescue disk
02:57 < sten> did you build a 1.5 rescue, and upgrade that?
02:58 < sten> not rescue disk, but rescue.tbz2, by the way.  (remember those from the 1.3-1.5 days?)
02:59 < A-Tui> mmm no, my first ROCK was 1.6 sorry, i'm new in ROCK :)
03:01 < sten> ;-)  I haven't used it in two years, so all of my ROCK experience is outdated.  Did you download the rock-src-1.6, and build that on a running system?
03:01 < A-Tui> yes
03:01 < A-Tui> on a slack system
03:01 < sten> I'm currently on a slack system too ;-)
03:01 < A-Tui> and i didn't make a chroot enviroment
03:02 < A-Tui> do you know what's the meaning of ext-config/disabled packages?
03:03 < sten> I think that those are the packages which have been temporarily disabled, because they don't build properly, or else break other packages
03:04 < A-Tui> ok, i'm trying to build sgml-tools, but it's is on disabled tree
03:07 < sten> my guess would still be that it's a work in progress.
03:08 < A-Tui> i suppose it :)
03:10 < sten> hmmm, I think I'm going to try a 1.6 build, and then upgrade to 1.7.  (I need the Desktop target that 1.7 has)
03:10 < A-Tui> i will make a 1.7 build soon, at the moment i'm learning about ROCK
03:12 < sten> good luck.  Nice talking to you, I've got to go
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08:50 < esden> good morning 
09:24 < blindcoder> esden: I wish you a wonderful mortitg on your birthday!
09:24 < blindcoder> esden: may everything you start today work out the way you want it to!
09:24 < blindcoder> esden: erm... you don't believe me, do you?
09:24 < blindcoder> esden: well, anyways... HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ESDEN!!
09:28 < esden> thank you very much blindcoder 
09:29 < esden> I hope that everything turns out in the right way ... fscking exam >_<
09:29 < blindcoder> aw, come on... that's what you learned for the whole wweek
09:29 < blindcoder> you'll pass that exam easily
09:29 < blindcoder> after ten minutes you'll say: "Teacher, coul'd I please have the second part of the test?"
09:29 < blindcoder> Teacher: "There is no second part..."
09:30 < blindcoder> esden: "Oh... then I'm done already?! WEEE!"
09:31 < esden> hehe ... that would be good if it became so ...
09:31 < esden> but I can not believe that ... 
09:31 * blindcoder smacks esden with a +5 LART
09:32 < blindcoder> IT WILL!
09:32 < esden> autsh ... that hurts ...
09:32 < esden> with god help yes ;-)
09:32 < blindcoder> good
09:32 < blindcoder> EVERYONE! PRAY TO WHATEVER SUPERNATURAL BEING YOU BELIEVE IN SO THAT ESDEN CAN PASS HIS EXAM!
09:33 < esden> thanks blindcoder you are the best
09:34 < blindcoder> I know, I know... but thanks for teling me :D
09:34 < esden> I like it when you are in good mood ;-)
09:34 < blindcoder> :)
09:35 < esden> kida hidi somo ... aki
09:35 < esden> or so ... this song is cool
09:36 < blindcoder> aahh.... crap... I have to go shopping...
09:36 < esden> O_o
09:36 < blindcoder> Melanie's birthday is on Monday... I need to get something for her
09:36 * -> esden makes another cup of tee
09:36 * blindcoder had his first cup of coffee already today :)
09:37 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off... see you l8er
09:37 < blindcoder> esden: do good on your exam, or you will only get half of your birthday presents!
09:37 < esden> urgh ... ok
09:37 < esden> cu l8er
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09:50 < huebi> Moin
09:51 < esden> morning huebi
09:51 < huebi> huhu esden
09:51 * huebi just starts a new build of 1.6.0preX
09:52 < huebi> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ESDEN!!
09:54 < huebi> Nice feeling to hear the noise of the SCSI disks in the rack in the bath^H^H^H^Hserverroom again
09:55 < huebi> uuuhh, many updates
09:56 < esden> thank you huebi 
09:56 < esden> lool ... that must sound terribly loud in such a room
09:56 < huebi> esden: Yes, I can hear them through the whole flat.
09:57 < huebi> Seagate Cheetah are quite noisy
09:57 < huebi> +s
09:58 < esden> yes cheetahs are very loud ... I can remember ...
09:58 * -> esden has to buy a disk for his natalie finally >_<
09:59 < huebi> esden: Should I have a look for another Quantum Fiseball SE 8.4GB SCSI disk for you?
09:59 < esden> hmm ... -3 hours to the exam >_< GRRR
10:00 < esden> if you have one lying around that you do not need ... sure
10:00 < esden> but ide would be sufficient too
10:00 < huebi> esden:you'll have to pass it  at 13h00?
10:00 < esden> yes
10:01 < esden> Discrete Structures ... >_<
10:01 < esden> it makes fun in some way ... but the exams are way to difficult ... 
10:01 < huebi> esden: Much fun AND success
10:01 < esden> thank you
10:16 < huebi> esden: http://www.lcd-module.de/index.html
10:16 < huebi> DIP-Module: http://www.lcd-module.de/deu/doma/doma.htm
10:18 < esden> hmm ... *click*
10:20 < huebi> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/5d6a/zoom/ *LOOOL*
10:21 < esden> hmm .. die DIP module sind cool
10:21 < huebi> JAA, das sind sie.
10:21 < esden> hehe ... there is no home ;-) that is all it says ;-)
10:22 < huebi> Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect. - hmmmm
10:23 < huebi> ausgesperrt?
10:24 < esden> scheint so
10:30 < esden> wie sieht es mit dem multifunktionsdisplay aus?
10:31 < huebi> ruht gerade - Patrick muss gerade 'ne Huette in Muenchen mit Homeautomation ausstatten. Ist aber nicht vergessen.
10:31 < esden> gut gut
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10:52 < esden> cu l8er
10:52 < huebi> esden: cu
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11:08 < blindcoder> back
11:08 < blindcoder> moin huebi
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11:20 < Freak> http://www.asciipr0n.com/archive/0013/bonnie/craft/
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11:33 < blindcoder> Freak: You know... I might actually do something like that...
12:00 < Freak> huh? :)
12:04 < huebi> re
12:04 < huebi> moin blindcoder
12:04 < huebi> moin Freak
12:06 < Freak> moin
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12:17 < rxr> hi
12:18 < Freak> re
12:19 < o1k> hi rxr ! Ima same as ringo78_ sri for that but than I dont have to switch systems ... o1k obi wan kanobi ;-)
12:22 < o1k> Just tryed to build 1.7 ./scripts/Build-Target default but where are the bin packeges ?
12:24 < o1k> I dont have anything in $root/pkgs?
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12:25 < blindcoder> o1k: do you have Stage 9 enabled?
12:27 < o1k> hmm in ./scripts/Config [Make rebuild stage stage (stage 9)] yes, but there are some errors...
12:27 < o1k> s/errors/packeges failed/
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12:30 < blindcoder> o1k: if Stage 9 is enabled then the .gems are generated there
12:35 < o1k> I think I remember its not yet in stage 9 now stage 5 I'll wait. Thanks blindcoder.
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12:57 < Lorini> morning
12:58 < blindcoder> moin moin Lorini
13:03 < Freak> morgen
13:10 * Lorini is tired
13:11 < blindcoder> why?
13:17 < Lorini> not enough sleep :)
13:20 < blindcoder> what have you done yeterday?
13:21 < blindcoder> wait... I don't want to know... I think...
13:24 < Lorini> lol
13:24 < Lorini> nothing
13:24 < Lorini> talk, nothing else
13:25 < blindcoder> i see
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14:12 < _NULL> hi
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14:12 < _NULL> hi blindcoder
14:13 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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14:56 < tfing> yop
14:57 < _NULL> hi tfing
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15:10 < _NULL> hi Obi-Wan
15:10 < Obi-Wan> hi _NULL
15:10 < Obi-Wan> Is Mr. Woolf around?
15:11 < _NULL> nope...
15:11 < blindcoder> I don't think so
15:11 < Obi-Wan> Mr. Clifford Wolff
15:11 < Obi-Wan> ah
15:12 < Obi-Wan> when is he around usually?
15:12 < blindcoder> erm... to be honest... almost never... it's etter to contact him by mail
15:12 < _NULL> <-- getting something eatable... brb
15:12 < blindcoder> _NULL: that's edible... not eatable
15:12 < Obi-Wan> I see
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15:30 < _NULL> re
15:30 < _NULL> blindcoder: whatever
15:31 < blindcoder> _NULL: ?
15:31 < blindcoder> ah.. I really forgot how usable a virgin Windows was...
15:31 < _NULL> blindcoder: eadible, eatable, whatever ;)
15:32 < blindcoder> edible
15:32 < _NULL> :P
15:35 < ringo78_> dictionairy : edible see eatable so they must be synonym.. ;-)
15:36 < blindcoder> hmm.. I learned eatable was wrong, only edible is correct... okay, won't say anythign anymore :)
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15:43 < Be-El> hi ppl
15:45 < o1k> blindcoder: I just use a plain dictionairy ... sorry ...
15:46 < Be-El> did someone try the router target lately ? it breaks in stage0, missing some header files
15:48 < _NULL> hi Be-El
15:49 < Be-El> hi owl
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15:59 < _NULL> Be-El: how are you?
16:00 < Be-El> tired...got up way too early this morning
16:00 < _NULL> hehe :p
16:06 < o1k> Descartes found that all students have to sleep long and go to bed late ;-), he allways got grate ideas when "allmost sleeping" in the morning ;-)
16:06 < Be-El> o1k: but Descartes didn't own a telephone which may ring at 9 o'clock in the morning on sundays.... ;-)
16:07 < o1k> hmm ok you got me ;-)
16:08 < o1k> Be-El: Perhaps you could tell the story to the one who phoned you
16:09 < Be-El> o1k: i would....but at the time i reached the phone it stopped ringing ;-)
16:09 < blindcoder> iptables -A INPUT -i ppp0 -j REJECT # bad idea
16:11 < rxr> hm - I just got a dRock-2.0.0-alpha works great mail in my inbox ;-)
16:12 < Be-El> ahh....finally...the build has reached stage 1
16:22 < Be-El> so....und wech
16:22 < _NULL> bye Be-El
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17:14 < esden> re hi all
17:14 < esden> puhh ... finally back home ...
17:15 < esden> my head feels like someone has hit it very hard with a LART ;-) 
17:15 < esden> but also freed ;-)
17:15 < esden> great feeling ;-)
17:16 < _NULL> hi esden
17:17 < esden> hi owl
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17:17 < esden> huhu Lorini 
17:17 < Lorini> hi
17:18 < _NULL> hi Lorini
17:18 < Lorini> hi..
17:29 < blindcoder> hi esden
17:29 < blindcoder> how's the exam been?
17:29 * blindcoder hiding half of esdens presents
17:30 < esden> huhu blindcoder 
17:30 < esden> the exam? which exam?
17:31 < esden> urm ...
17:31 < blindcoder> e s d e n . . .
17:31 < esden> I am still alive ... so not as bad as I expected
17:31 < blindcoder> that's good...
17:31 < blindcoder> when will you be @IN?
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17:33 < esden> dunno ... 
17:33 < esden> I will probably take the train at 18:5x ...
17:34 < blindcoder> okay
17:35 < esden> the I will not be fast enough to get the nearest one ...
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17:36 < _NULL> hi rekcah_
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17:49 < esden> bitte gib uns mehr von dem heissen scheiss denn wir kriegen nicht genug von diesem deichkind style ...
17:49 < esden> WEEE
17:50 < esden> beats machen uns hoeher als auf einem hochhaus
17:50 < esden> cool
17:52 < esden> wippe mit dem beat und beweg dein arsh, wenn es deichkender mike ist bon voyage
17:52 < blindcoder> hae?
17:53 * blindcoder reicht esden Smile.dk - Dragonfly
17:53 < esden> blindcoder: /me sings ...
17:53 < esden> blindcoder: ???
17:53 < blindcoder> sweet song :)
17:53 < esden> aha ... hrm ...
17:54 < esden> shel be right here in my arms ... shel be right in these arms she can't let go *sing*
17:54 < esden> hmm ... that song is not soo good ...
17:54 * blindcoder now looking through his AMV collection
17:55 < esden> Anime MoVie ?
17:55 < blindcoder> Anime Music Video
17:55 < esden> aaaha
17:56 < esden> hehe .. finally I can read kernel traffic without having bad feelings by doing it ;-)
17:56 < blindcoder> She's so hiiiiiiiighiiiiigh above me
17:56 < blindcoder> bad feelings?
17:56 < esden> yes that I should learn instead of reading it ;-)
17:57 < blindcoder> i see
17:57 < esden> that coused that I read only the headers of the last kernel traffic >_<
17:59 < blindcoder> *LOL*
18:00 < blindcoder> Evangelion - Episode one
18:00 < blindcoder> "Every generation has a legend"
18:00 < blindcoder> and then a walking Evangelion
18:00 < blindcoder> *LOL*
18:00 < blindcoder> "Every saga has a beginnig"
18:00 < blindcoder> and then a demonstration of Misatos Driving Skills
18:01 < blindcoder> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
18:01 < blindcoder> lip-synchron with Episode 1 Trailor Speech :D
18:02 < blindcoder> I love AMVs :D
18:03 < blindcoder> Martian Successor Nadesico - Futurama Theme :D
18:05 < esden> tztztz
18:05 < blindcoder> and of course
18:05 < blindcoder> the ever-present Baka-Song AMV :D
18:07 < esden> blindcoder: you are addicted ... you know that hopefully ...
18:07 < blindcoder> whatdoes 'addicted' mean? *looks innocently*
18:08 < esden> *small_grin*
18:10 * blindcoder geting hungry...
18:11 < esden> blindcoder: forget it ...
18:11 < esden> eat some bread if you are hungry
18:11 < esden> bread with nothing on top ...
18:11 < blindcoder> r I make me some eggs...
18:12 < blindcoder> the way I told you recently
18:12 < blindcoder> with onions
18:12 * -> esden gets hungry too
18:13 < blindcoder> hehe
18:13 < blindcoder> You tell me things that I never knew
18:13 < blindcoder> Now what amI supposed to do?
18:13 < blindcoder> Running around like a little kid
18:13 < blindcoder> One two three and I'm hip hip hip!
18:13 < blindcoder> Like a dragonfly flying high in the sky
18:14 < blindcoder> There is light above and beyond you and I!
18:14 < blindcoder> Like a dragonfly flying high in the sky
18:14 < blindcoder> There is light above you and I!
18:14 < blindcoder> I love this song *WEEE*
18:14 < Lorini> *g* i like this "WEE" :)
18:15 < blindcoder> I don't know since when I'm saying it... maybe for a year already and I just didn't notice :)
18:16 < esden> I was the first to say that ;-) *showoff*
18:16 < blindcoder> esden: poser *ph*
18:16 < esden> blindcoder: yes and proud of that :P
18:16 < Lorini> lol
18:16 < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
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18:17 < blindcoder> esden: get going! your traing goes in half an hour!
18:17 < _NULL> -g
18:17 < blindcoder> owly?
18:17 < esden> *sigh*
18:17 < blindcoder> oh... i see it...
18:17 < esden> it is so cold out there ...
18:17 < _NULL> blindy... you're really blind
18:18 * blindcoder takes a broomstick and hits esden
18:18 < blindcoder> _NULL: I may be oblivious to some things..  but not blind
18:19 < _NULL> "ist ja auch egaaaaaaaaaaal jetzt"
18:20 < blindcoder> "Stop the ROCK! Can't stop the ROCK!"
18:20 * blindcoder now making some breads with egg and onion
18:20 < blindcoder> bbl
18:22 < _NULL> guten appettit
18:22 < Lorini> an guadn :)
18:22 < Lorini> *g*
18:22 < esden> ahh I love the bass of my boxes ;-)
18:22 < Lorini> esden: what about your train?
18:35 < kasc_> re
18:36 < _NULL> hi kasc_
18:39 < blindcoder> back
18:39 < blindcoder> ah, that was good :)
18:43 < blindcoder> and gone again
18:43 < blindcoder> watching  enxt episode of Kyuketsuki Miyu :D
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19:12 < Mike1> moin all
19:12 < Lorini_> moin mike :)
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19:41 < _NULL> hi Mike1
19:41 < _NULL> re all
19:42 < Mike1> welcome back Sandra "Eule" Dismar :)
19:47 < Mike1> ping huebi
19:48 < _NULL> Mike1: :p
20:19 < rxr> hi Mike1
20:19 < Mike1> hi rxr
20:20 < _NULL> hi rxr
20:31 < snyke> hi rxr
20:32 < _NULL> hi snyke
20:32 < snyke> hi
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21:04 < rxr> my iBook is now compiling qt31 ;-)
21:05 < Mike1> _your_ ?!? you already bought it?
21:05 < Mike1> damn you are fast
21:05 < rxr> no - not bought.
21:05 < Mike1> ah your bros?
21:06 < rxr> This the box of my brother - just the one stanging (on the floor) here ....
21:06 * Mike1 would love to see that box building
21:06 < rxr> it already has compiled gnome22 and so ...
21:06 < Mike1> rxr: got snaps?
21:06 < Mike1> s/snaps/screenshots
21:06 < rxr> binary gems ?
21:06 < Mike1> *g
21:07 < rxr> ah - hm running X - or compiling ?
21:07 < rxr> buildins is quite boring just the normal ROCK output ...
21:07 < Mike1> rxr: x + building :)
21:07 < rxr> XFree is also boring - just the usual X graphic ... ;-)
21:07 * rxr building on a vt ... :-(
21:07 < Mike1> arrgg ok
21:08 < rxr> but I might switch to x - and then I make a screenshot for you ...
21:08 < Mike1> Thx :)
21:08 < rxr> cliff seems to be really busy - I allready haev two sync patches sent - and not a single reply ....
21:09 < Mike1> rxr: he has apply all my patches i think
21:09 < rxr> ah - just in this second they got applied ;-)
21:09 < Mike1> perhaps he heard ya compalining :)
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21:40 < rxr> so three new ROCK packages ...
21:41 < rxr> oops - a quick grep tells me I have 309 taged as maintained by me ...
21:41 < rxr> +g
21:43 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
21:44 < A-Tui> hi all guys
21:45 < Mike1> rxr: why do you like to maintain that _many_ packages?
21:45 < _NULL> hi A-Tui
21:45 < Mike1> hi A-Tui
21:45 < A-Tui> hi _NULL, hi Mike1
21:45 < A-Tui> how all?
21:46 < Mike1> how are you A-Tui?
21:46 < A-Tui> fine, i was studing until now :)
21:46 < A-Tui> now, i'm free :)
21:47 < Mike1> Good
21:47 < _NULL> hehe.
21:47 < Mike1> A-Tui: Good news, the Spanish documentation have been included in the official 1.7 tree a few minutes ago
21:47 < A-Tui> time is not real _NULL
21:47 < _NULL> A-Tui: hrm.
21:48 < Mike1> A-Tui: i will now sent a patch to include the missing files
21:48 < A-Tui> GOOD! i read your patch in mailing list
21:48 < and> Hi All there, can anybody help with building Rock Linux 1.7 DEV? I am getting errors ...
21:48 < A-Tui> _NULL: now is 9,30 pm
21:48 < _NULL> hi and
21:48 < _NULL> A-Tui: ah. k.
21:48 < and> hi _NULL
21:48 < Mike1> and: just ask and we will try to help.
21:48 < and> Thanks ...
21:48 < A-Tui> Mike1: i have new docs translated, and i start with other from doc/Dev
21:48 < Mike1> A-Tui: we are very close to finish the spanish work
21:49 < Mike1> send me the new docs to include them in my patch
21:49 < A-Tui> spanish community is near :)
21:49 < A-Tui> mmm i have one here, wait a minute
21:49 < Mike1> A-Tui: do you speak other languages than spanish and english?
21:49 < _NULL> hehe
21:49 < Mike1> A-Tui: after Spanish we will go after Portugues
21:49 < A-Tui> a bit esperanto
21:49 < A-Tui> :)
21:49 < A-Tui> portuges, mmm galego?
21:50 < A-Tui> my girlfriend is from galicia
21:50 < Mike1> Cool
21:50 < Mike1> A-Tui: ask her if she wanna contribute
21:50 < Mike1> :)
21:50 < A-Tui> ok, i will ask him tonigh
21:50 < and> the error message is : ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line:218  illegal instruction (core dumped)
21:50 < Mike1> A-Tui: 0_o him?!?
21:50 < A-Tui> ops :)
21:50 < A-Tui> her
21:51 < A-Tui> XD
21:51 < Mike1> A-Tui: phew :)
21:51 < A-Tui> a associated him with female, i don't know why :)
21:51 < and> at firdt I thought a ";" is missing betwenn "TZ ..." and . chroot, but that didn't help
21:51 < Mike1> and: ehh? is that 1.7 current cvs?
21:51 < A-Tui> e->male, i->female
21:51 < and> yes, it is
21:52 < _NULL> A-Tui: where are you from in spain?
21:52 < Mike1> A-Tui: that can of mistakes are dangerous my friend :)
21:52 < A-Tui> jajaja
21:52 < A-Tui> _NULL: burgos, a small city in the north
21:52 * Mike1 hoping to see an article about ROCK Linux in todo-linux soon...
21:52 < A-Tui> do you know cip campeador?
21:53 < A-Tui> Mike1: i want talk with you about this
21:53 < Mike1> and: very strange i will run a test to see if i get something.
21:53 < Mike1> A-Tui: well i am here, lets talk :)
21:53 < A-Tui> here there is a paper zine which is dedicated to linux, and only published fdl docs
21:53 < A-Tui> we can send some docs there
21:54 < Mike1> A-Tui: explain..
21:54 < A-Tui> it could be a great way to know ROCK for spain people
21:54 < and> Mike1: Thanks, it is for P3 optimisation, I read that others had problems too, but nobody did know a solution
21:54 < A-Tui> well, its a magazine
21:54 < Mike1> A-Tui: thats what we need, more people from the spanish community
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21:55 < Mike1> A-Tui: there are just too many germans in here (no offence)
21:55 < A-Tui> :)
21:55 < Mike1> and: ok i will try it out in a few minutes.
21:55 < A-Tui> i give ROCK binaries of ROCK to some guys of our wireless community, they are now testing it
21:55 < Mike1> and: btw what system are you trying to build rock in?
21:56 < and> Mike1: I tried Rock Linux 1.4 and 1.5.12
21:56 < Mike1> and: i wouldn't recomend to try to build rock 1.7 on any previous rock version
21:57 < Mike1> and: it would be good that you have gcc3 and glibc 2.3 on the system you are building, as well devfs support
21:57 < and> Both versions of Rock Linux have devfs support
21:58 < Mike1> and: but not gcc3 or glibc2.3
21:58 < and> right ..
21:58 < rxr> and: hi
21:59 < and> hi rxr
22:00 < rxr> Mike1: the host gcc and glibc is nearly irelecant ...
22:00 < rxr> -c +v
22:00 < rxr> and: what is in your Build-Pkg line 218 ?
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22:02 < and> it is the closing fi of chroot=1 if
22:02 < Mike1> rxr: ok.
22:02 < Mike1> hi rekcah
22:03 < Mike1> == 13:45:29 =[9]=> Building techworx/mail-openldap [2.1.12 1.7-snapshot]
22:03 < rxr> what does "find -name core
22:03 < rxr> "
22:03 < rxr> yield ?
22:03 < rxr> (int he rock linux source top level directory ...)
22:04 < and> i already searched for that dump but couldn't find it, but i will try again ...
22:05 < rxr> when does the illigal instruction happen? for the first package beeing compiled - or at some time after many other packages 
22:05 < rxr> err ?
22:06 < and> ...modules/2.4.20/kernel/net/core and ..src/linux-2.4.20-rock/net/core nothing more
22:07 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:07 < and> after many other packages already were built
22:07 < rxr> in which stage ?
22:07 < and> stage 1
22:08 < tcr> moin all
22:08 < rxr> strange - what is the host system ?
22:08 < tcr> rxr!!!!!!!!! :-) You got three chances to guess what has been released today
22:09 < rxr> coreutils ;-)
22:09 < and> I tried Rock Linux 1.4 kernel 2.4.17 and Rock Linux 1.5.12 with the same kernel
22:09 < rxr> I saw this
22:09 < tcr> exactly ;) isn't that like black magic
22:09 < rxr> tcr: *smile*
22:09 < tcr> and: Why so an old version
22:10 < and> i was still happy with that, until recent :-) now there are too many packages demanding newer gnome libs
22:10 < tcr> rxr: hm, and gaim 0.60 also... will you update or shall I leave a mail to the mailinglist to inform the maintainers?
22:10 < rxr> and any change that our glibc or bash is over optimized for your CPU ?
22:11 < Mike1> tcr: how about sending a patch in stead of a single mail :)
22:11 < rxr> tcr: please inform the maintainer - or send a patch. That is not a package i'm interested int ...
22:11 < tcr> Don't have a running 1.7 system
22:11 < rxr> hm - this
22:11 < tcr> Btw. Mike1... congrats to your i8n project!
22:11 < rxr> openssh needs perl for the make system - and perl is not yet compiled on the iBook :-((((((
22:12 < tcr> Really?
22:12 < and> rxr: what do you mean by over optimized
22:12 < Mike1> tcr: thank you so much :)
22:12 < rxr> e.g. optmized for Athlon but running on a Pentium-I or so ...
22:13 < rxr> like instructioned used by gcc not present in your CPU ...
22:13 < and> ah, but not so far
22:13 < tcr> Mike1: Only what makes me somewhat wonder is that the hackers howto ends with '- Clifford Wolf  <http://www.rocklinux.org/people/clifford/clifford.html>'. IMHO you should add a 'Translated by ... <...> and ... <...>'
22:14 < rxr> the iligal instruction signal (exeption) is generated by your CPU when it doesn't like a particual instruction in the CPU's decoder ...
22:14 < tcr> What's and problem after all?
22:15 < and> I also tried P2 optimizations for the purpose of trial out
22:16 < and> trc: the build stops after that indication
22:16 < rxr> remeber that stage1 is not yet using the freshly build binaries  - but you system ones ...
22:17 < and> Rock Linux 1.5.12 build without any problem using the P3 optimisation
22:17 < Mike1> 1.5.12 ....
22:17 < and> yes , 1.5.12
22:18 < Mike1> tcr: yeah we will probably, but anyways maybe i will add a file with the names of the i18n team
22:19 < tcr> Mike1: Well then at least drop a line  la 'Translated by the spanish il8n team, see foo/bar'
22:19 < Mike1> tcr: :)
22:19 < rxr> and: could you do a ./scripts/Build-Pkg bash
22:19 < Mike1> tcr: i will, thx for the suggestion
22:19 < rxr> but please select generic no optimization first
22:19 < and> rxr: i will try out now ...
22:20 < rxr> so your system has an unoptimized bash to try if this yields s.th. different ...
22:21 < and> rxr: it seems to compile ... will wait until it is finished
22:21 < tcr> hah.. btw... this morning I spent two and a half hour to compile that (d)ash 0.4.1. But at least I have now a statically linked POSIX conform shell that has a decent speed
22:22 < tcr> And... I really got those different makefile deriverates hated.
22:23 * A-Tui is away: Everybody needs somebody
22:23 * Mike1 needs owl.
22:26 < and> rxr: compilation of bash failed
22:26 < and> :-(
22:27 < rxr> oh what's the error ?
22:27 * Mike1 coding..
22:29 < and> make: *** [builtins/builtext.h] Error 1
22:29 < rxr> hm :-(
22:30 < rxr> tcr: why dash? seems a bit minimalistic - isn't there s.th. more complete ?
22:32 < tcr> rxr: It's a perfect shell to run scripts with.
22:32 < tcr> Of course for interactive work I still use bash ;)
22:33 < rxr> tcr: does it run the rock scripts ? ;-)
22:33 < tcr> Nope. Yesterday I said that I'll adapt them to a POSIX standard once I'm back developing it
22:34 < rxr> jups I read this - so I was currious if you made some progress ...
22:34 < and> rxr: sorry I forgot to set optimisation to generic, will try again
22:34 < tcr> Not in close future
22:41 < rxr> so iBook finished perl5
22:41 < rxr> hopefully openssh will now build ...
22:43 < and> rxr: it is still compiling, what a miracle, what could be the problem with optimisation?
22:43 < rxr> hm - maybe your host compiler has a code generation bug in some cases you hit - ro you choose the wrong optimization for your CPU ...
22:44 < rxr> but you example is quite curious anyway - since the bash sometimes works (but maybe it is not the bash crashing - this has still to be proved)
22:44 < and> oh yeah, finished to compile :-) so i will try the build with no optimization !! thanks
22:45 < rxr> but it is still possible that the bash crashes - maybe the bash takes some quite uncommon code-path when interpreting the scripts for compiling some packages and there is an instuction not known by your CPU
22:45 < rxr> or you have a faulty system - have you tried memtest86 for a nigth on the box ?
22:46 < and> I did memtest a long time ago, maybe it's worth to do it again
22:46 < rxr> and: be aware that in stage1 the binaries compiled are not yet used (still the cross build) - so when an application has a problem it is the one from your running host system. This is why I let you compile the bash into your running system ...
22:47 < rxr> heat or dust might have made it instable - I also have a dual PII@233Mhz here which doesn't run relyable anymore - it once did ...
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22:49 < and> so at first i will make the compilation without optimization, then install the system and use that one to build it again
22:49 < and> maybe it woks this way :-)
22:51 < and> thanks to all and rxr especially!
22:51 < rxr> if the problem way in your system's bash it doesn't matter if you optimize the new binaries now. You can then turn optimisation on
22:52 < rxr> if it was not your system's bash the problem remain with or without optimisation ...
22:52 < rxr> when you get the next illinstr you should run memtest86 for some hours - and if this test is ok - we need to figure out the exact application causig the illinst ...
22:53 < and> ok but with generic optimization bash was compiled whereas with P3 opt it wasn't
22:54 < rxr> do you have the exavt error gcc gave then you first tried to compile the optimized bash ?
22:56 < and> unfortunately not because there was no log file written although there wasa mentioning like 9-bash.err, I didn't find that file
22:57 < rxr> when you do a Build-Pkg the package is build into your host system - and so the logs are in /var/adm/logs ... ;-)
22:57 < rxr> but now the .log of the second bash is there ...
22:57 < and> i know
22:58 < and> :-)
22:59 < rxr> and the 9-bash.err wasn't there ?
23:02 < and> shit , now the compilation succeded, no .err file at all, I will try again the the compilation with P3 opts
23:04 < rxr> and: which compilatin ? the Build-Target ?
23:04 < and> no, the Build-Pkg bash
23:06 < rxr> Hm? What did you tried - and why is it a problem that it succeded ?
23:07 < and> ok the problem is that the Buil-Pkg bash fails with P3 optimization and succeeds with no (generic) optimazation
23:08 < and> but maybe that is not a real problem, but i am used to use the optimization acoording to the CPU I am using at target system
23:09 < Mike1> PING esden
23:11 < and> rxr: the 9-bash.err says: [make1] *** [builtext.h] illegal instruction (core dumped)
23:13 < tcr> Hah.. well could be some architecture flaw within rock 1.4?
23:14 < and> the host system runs rock linux 1.5.12
23:15 < tcr> Well, yeah, but -- as far as I followed your chat -- the problems just arises within the chroot which uses 1.4 things exclusively
23:16 < rxr> and:  which prog is core dumping ? make ???
23:16 < rxr> or gcc ?
23:18 < and> make cause the dump
23:19 < and> what about the builtext.h ?
23:19 < rxr> is this a file of bash - or one of make ?
23:22 < and> this file is mentioned as causing illegal instruction during the compilation of mkbuiltins.o
23:24 < tcr> Well, you could examine the core file.. but, truelly speaking, I don't give it any high probability to get any valuable information out of it. That would require a really throughout scrutinizing
23:29 < and> well i will try to built rock with generic optimization on rock 1.5.12, install it and try then a new build from rock 1.7
23:34 < and> thanks to all, bue
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23:51 < rxr> hm /me back ... ;-)
23:53 < Mike1> wb Ren.
23:54 < rxr> now ai have really much on my iBook
23:54 < rxr> a running system incl. even stone
23:54 < rxr> and a build finised stahge 5 halfly ...
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