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00:06 < jasonmaier> hey there
00:07 < daja77> hi jasonmaier
00:07 < _NULL> hi jasonmaier
00:07 < jasonmaier> di i have to enable ross build between architectures when compiling a i586 target on a i686 build
00:08 < daja77> horse build *g*
00:08 < jasonmaier> sorry cross build
00:08 < daja77> nope, just pseudo cross
00:08 < jasonmaier> ans this i dont have to tell the build scripts?
00:09 < daja77> well you are compiling on a pc for a pc, so it is not cross
00:10 < jasonmaier> ok because building a 1.7 bootdisk target fails here on rock-1.6i686 binary distro
00:11 < jasonmaier> 0- and 1- is ok but starting at 2-binutils everithing fails
00:11 < daja77> why not making bootdisk unoptimised
00:11 < jasonmaier> unoptimized? you thing i386 target?
00:12 < daja77> yepp, it is just the bootdisk, so don't care
00:13 < jasonmaier> ok but you think i386 build will not fail?
00:13 < daja77> yes
00:14 < jasonmaier> ok will do so, tried to build this (ok i586) on a 1.4-i386 system, but failed at the same point
00:15 < daja77> you mean you are building this on rock 1.4?
00:16 < jasonmaier> not now, now i use a vm with rock-1.6, but i tried in past on 1.4
00:17 < daja77> gcc2?
00:18 < jasonmaier> jep, mike tild me should be possible on gcc2, but now i got 2.95 on that 1.6build too
00:18 < daja77> use gcc3
00:19 < jasonmaier> netx thing to do is install gcc3 and new glibc on that vm-1.6 ??? before trying to build again?
00:19 < daja77> good :)
00:19 < jasonmaier> ok
00:20 < jasonmaier> when using a nfs share for download, is there anything to consider?
00:21 < jasonmaier> whats the bst way to update gcc and glibc on that rock-1.6 vm
00:21 < jasonmaier> ?
00:22 < daja77> update glibc on a running system *no*
00:22 < jasonmaier> so o cant build rock-1.7 on a rpck binary distro because they all use ggc-2.95??
00:23 < jasonmaier> o -> i
00:23 < jasonmaier> sorry for my misspelling!
00:24 < daja77> get a 1.7 iso
00:24 < jasonmaier> no 1.7 iso at http://iso.rocklinux.de
00:25 < daja77> there are
00:25 < jasonmaier> where there?
00:25 < jasonmaier> but there are no links?
00:30 < daja77> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/unstable/1.7-19c3/
00:30 < jasonmaier> wow thankx is that drock or rock?
00:31 < daja77> rock, just the drock server
00:32 < daja77> newer iso would be better, but I can't upload them :(
00:32 < jasonmaier> thanks a lot why theres no link at the download pages?
00:32 < daja77> dunno
00:32 < jasonmaier> i just have to use this for builing my own 1.7 target
00:32 < daja77> I use this release for that, it should work
00:33 < jasonmaier> ok bye till next time
00:33 < daja77> bye jasonmaier
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00:52 < rxr> esden: ?
00:52 < daja77> hi rxr
00:53 < rxr> j daja77
00:53 < rxr> daja77: oh - you posted a really outdated link !!!
00:54 < rxr> the 1.7-19c3 is outdated for ages  !!!!
00:54 < daja77> rxr: sorry is there a newer 1.7 iso
00:54 < rxr> argh - and the link is my private DSL connected server
00:54 < rxr> this person will not have that much fun ...
00:54 < rxr> jups there are 2.00-TP2 and 2.0.0-alpha ...
00:54 < rxr> ;-)))
00:55 < daja77> rxr: it works for compiling rock, I'm doin this myself, right at the moment
00:55 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html
00:55 < daja77> damn, I forgot about that 2.0 is 1.7 :(
00:56 < daja77> rxr: btw, multiple exclamation marks...
00:56 < rxr> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/unstable/
00:57 < rxr> ftp://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/drock/unstable
00:57 < rxr> http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~drock/latest/
00:57 < rxr> oh - forgot the drocklinux.dyndns.org isn't my home-server anymore
00:58 * rxr puzzled by all the many servers /himself ...
00:58 < rxr> ;-)
00:58 < rxr> the drocklinux.dyndns.org == gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
01:03 < esden> rxr: ?
01:04 < rxr> ah - I just wanted to point you ot my last mail to the list - where I ask you whether you want to take the grellm-plugin packages into your repository and maintain it
01:04 < rxr> didn't you created it?
01:04 < rxr> I never use it and have no time for updated/fixes for it ...
01:06 < esden> I can maintain it ...
01:07 < esden> but if I would like to take both gkrellm and the plugins ;-)
01:07 * -> esden is "groessenwahrnsinnig"
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01:24 < _NULL> gn8 all
01:24 < daja77> gn8 you all, owl
01:24 < esden> n8 owl
01:24 < esden> n8 daja77 
01:24 < daja77> have fun esden, gn8
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01:24 < _NULL> bye al
01:24 < _NULL> l
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01:28 < esden> ok ... I go to bed too ... good night
01:28 < rxr> n8 esden  - cu
01:31 < [n00kie]> hi
01:32 < [n00kie]> Does RockLinux has any LiveInstall ISOs?
01:33 < esden> rxr: and what do you say?
01:33 < esden> [n00kie]: blindcoder created one once ...
01:34 < esden> but I do not know how the status is currently
01:34 < [n00kie]> Ah.
01:34 < [n00kie]> Can you tell me, where I can probably find that one?
01:35 < esden> sorry no idea ... the best will be to write an email to the mailinglist ... 
01:35 < [n00kie]> Okay, I will try.
01:35 < [n00kie]> Thank You.
01:35 < esden> you are wellcome
01:46 < rxr> [n00kie]: there is no recent - I'll create one before the 2.0 release ...
01:46 < [n00kie]> ah
01:46 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html
01:46 < [n00kie]> that would be fine
01:46 < rxr> - live and rescue target
01:47 < [n00kie]> yes
01:47 < rxr> ^- is on the TODO ;-)
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08:00 < edlang> Hi - I've been asked to set up an automated hardware test suite to run a rock linux cluster. Is the rock build system easily modified to runs things like netperf/bonnie/memtest?
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09:25 < _NULL> moin
10:07 < rxr> moin
10:07 < _NULL> hi rxr
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10:22 < _NULL> hi steeltux
10:23 < steeltux> hi _NULL
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11:59 < tcr> moin all
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13:06 < daja77> moin
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13:13 < _NULL> hi daja77 , Parabull
13:13 < daja77> _NULL: greetings from snowtown chemnitz :)
13:14 < _NULL> daja77: hehe. thx. greeting from snow/rain-city munich :p
13:14 < daja77> at the moment the sun is shining, oh lovely april
13:14 < _NULL> hehe :)
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14:35 < rolla> re
14:36 < _NULL> hi rolla
14:37 < rolla> hi _NULL
14:40 < _NULL> how are you?
14:40 < rolla> tired
14:41 < _NULL> hehe - you're old... so - don't mind :p
14:41 < _NULL> s/mind/care
14:45 < rolla> _NULL: that is not nice
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14:46 < tcr> re
15:09 < _NULL> rolla: hehe :p you know. i'm j/k
15:11 * tcr bbl (off to work)
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15:12 < _NULL> tcr and working - ha ha
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15:14 < alfreedo> hi
15:14 < _NULL> hi alfreedo
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15:23 < esden> good morning
15:27 < _NULL> good afternoon esden
15:28 < esden> hi owl
15:32 < daja77> hi esden
15:33 < esden> hi daja77 
16:36 < kasc_> moin
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16:47 < wosch> hi
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16:51 < XeRGio> hi
17:07 < Mike1> moin all.
17:07 < Mike1> saludos XeRGio
17:07 < Mike1> ping huebi
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17:12 < XeRGio> :)
17:13 < daja77> hi kasc_, wosch, XeRGio, Mike1
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17:14 < Mike1> have anyone seen pjotp around today?
17:16 < wosch> sigh... kernel oops
17:17 < daja77> why?
17:17 < wosch> drock-2.0.0 alpha, trying to load snd-intel-8x0 alsa driver
17:20 < daja77> have you tried to compile the sound driver into the kernel?
17:20 < wosch> not yet, i am still installing from scratch. I have to put that back until everything else is up
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17:29 < Mike1> moin blindy
17:29 < daja77> hey Mike1 :)
17:29 < Mike1> yo daja77 :)
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17:37 * daja77 is off now, cu later
17:39 < rolla> Mike1:
17:39 < Mike1> rolla:
17:39 < Mike1> :)
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19:15 < _NULL> re
19:19 < Mike1> wb _NULL
19:20 < _NULL> hi Mike1
19:20 < Mike1> hi Sandra *HUG*
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19:45 < demian> hi
19:45 < _NULL> hi demian
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20:10 < _NULL> hi capchaos
20:10 < capchaos> hi owly
20:10 < capchaos> :)
20:11 < _NULL> ;)
20:19 < kasc_> re
20:19 < _NULL> hi kasc_
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20:34 * -> esden is hungry like hell ...
20:34 * _NULL gives esden the stuff she should have eaten as breakfast
20:35 < demian> the dump ? hehe
20:35 < _NULL> nope.
20:35 < esden> I do not want old cold stuff ... me needs something eatable
20:35 * -> esden would love a big stake at the moment
20:35 < _NULL> cut a piece off mathilda...
20:35 * -> esden going over to mathilda and cutting a part of her
20:35 < dreamind> Hi
20:36 < esden> hi dreamind 
20:36 < dreamind> Hi esden
20:36 < demian> hu dreamind
20:36 < Mike1> re all
20:37 < Mike1> ah lunch was great :)
20:37 < demian> :) hi Mike1
20:37 < Mike1> hi demian
20:37 < Mike1> ping MPET
20:37 < demian> today is the day of minix
20:37 < Mike1> yeah i know.. "welcome to demix:"
20:38 < demian> yes :)
20:38 < dreamind> Hi demian
20:38 < esden> huhu Mike1 *hug*
20:38 < Mike1> hi esden *hug*
20:38 < Mike1> esden: how was your bday?
20:38 < Mike1> esden: i came over looking for ya but i guess you were too drunk
20:39 * -> esden has not drunk anything that day 
20:39 < esden> and any other after that ...
20:39 < esden> I think I will drink something taday
20:39 < esden> perhups not something but much
20:39 < Mike1> lol
20:39 < Mike1> esden: anyways was it a nice bday?
20:39 < dreamind> *yawn*
20:39 * -> esden puts beer in the flridge
20:40 < esden> Mike1: it was acceptable ...
20:40 < Mike1> good.
20:40 < demian> happy birthday esden
20:40 < Mike1> demian: you are 2 days late.
20:40 < daja77> happy birthday esden
20:40 < daja77> re
20:41 < esden> thanks daja77 
20:41 < demian> daja77: u are 2 days late.
20:41 < esden> and demian thank you too
20:42 < daja77> damn, I'd like to  be the first :)
20:42 < Mike1>  __________________
20:42 < Mike1> < Happy B-Day Esdy >
20:42 < Mike1>  ------------------
20:42 < Mike1>         \   ^__^
20:42 < Mike1>          \  (oo)\_______
20:42 < Mike1>             (__)\       )\/\
20:42 < Mike1>                 ||----w |
20:42 < Mike1>                 ||     ||
20:42 < demian> damn .. that cow is back !
20:42 < demian> i will minix ... cya
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20:43 < Mike1> demian: sure go play with you "minix"
20:43 < Mike1> damn :)
20:43 < esden> ahh mathilda the mighty ... thank you!
20:43 < esden> minix ... yuck
20:44 < Mike1> esden: its demian using minix, so...
20:44 < esden> hmm ... he should create a minix target in rocklinux ;-)
20:46 < esden> when we have GNU/HURD in rocklinux we should rename rocklinux to rockBuildSstem
20:46 < esden> +y
20:47 < Mike1> hehe
20:48 < Mike1> esden: talking about targets, now that router target is in and i18n got included, is time to work on UML target, will you help me?
20:48 < [n00kie]_> Hmm
20:48 < esden> in which way ... I have no clue about that stuff
20:48 < [n00kie]_> Just one question
20:48 < esden> hi [n00kie]_ 
20:48 < [n00kie]_> I nerver understand, what hurd is
20:49 < [n00kie]_> hi esden
20:49 < esden> it is a microkernel a replacement for linux 
20:49 < [n00kie]_> ah
20:49 < Mike1> esden: hehe a i thought you did.
20:49 < esden> hurd was the one which should become the kernel of GNU tools based operating system
20:49 < esden> but they wanted to do it the right way and use a microkernel
20:50 < esden> because of that the development has not finisched till now
20:50 < esden> and it is still pretty unstable and sloooow
20:50 < esden> and as linus started to create a monolythic kernel that fitted perfectly for the GNU tools
20:51 < esden> and because of the monolithic design it could be developed fast
20:51 < esden> it became the most used kernel
20:51 < esden> and not hurd
20:51 < esden> hurd is getting usable by time
20:51 < esden> so there is debian GNU/hurd distribution around
20:52 < esden> and someone should sit down and get rocklinux also running on hurd
20:52 < [n00kie]_> i understand
20:52 < esden> good ;-)
20:52 < [n00kie]_> does hurd run on another arch?
20:53 < ringo78> esden: hmmm
20:53 < esden> afaik it runs on intel ... but if it works on other arches I do not know
20:53 < esden> ringo78: ?
20:53 < daja77> esden: what about a NetBSD target :)
20:53 < ringo78> esden: seems fun !
20:53 < esden> daja77: why not ... it is not a problem for rock
20:53 < [n00kie]_> I will wait for a Live Install for Rock ;)
20:53 < esden> ringo78: so do it ;-)
20:54 < esden> I have enough problems with dietlibc target already ;-)
20:54 < [n00kie]_> Good night, guys :)
20:54 < esden> good night [n00kie]_ 
20:54 < daja77> bye [n00kie]_
20:54 < [n00kie]_> <- Brb, sleeping.
20:55 < esden> have fun ;-)
20:55 < ringo78> esden: I will put soem effort in it.
20:55 < _NULL> gn8 [n00kie]_
20:56 < esden> ringo78: VERY GOOD
20:56 < Mike1> ringo78: very nice!!
20:58 < esden> that would really rock if we had a hurd option in rock
20:58 < ringo78> I think I'll go MAD in an hour ;-)
20:58 < esden> where you can select if you want to use linux as kernel or hurd ...
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20:58 < esden> that would really _ROCK_
20:58 < esden> hi o1k 
20:58 < _NULL> hi o1k
20:59 < daja77> _NULL: o1k is ringo
20:59 < o1k> hi all I am same as ringo78_. Just another irc client here.
20:59 < Mike1> ringo78: i will be really looking forward to see ur work, just don't go mad untill you finish :P
20:59 < _NULL> eh
20:59 < esden> o1k: da not confuse us!!!
20:59 < rolla> re
20:59 < o1k> Mike1: excentric is the word i saught ... ;-)
20:59 < esden> re ringo78 
20:59 < esden> ups
21:00 < esden> i mean rolla 
21:00 < Mike1> greetings o1k.
21:00 < _NULL> rehi rolla
21:00 < esden> o1k: so close your eyes and do not look out of the window
21:01 * -> esden will probably make his bachelor thesis about L4/hurd
21:03 < esden> the professor of the operating systems lecture said that it is very interesting and if I want to do something in that direction I should only come by at his office ;-)
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21:14 < Mike1> esden: sounds pretty cool.
21:14 < Mike1> saludos _HulK_
21:14 < _HulK_> hi Mike1
21:14 < _NULL> hi _HulK_
21:15 < _HulK_> hi all :)
21:16 < daja77> re rolla
21:17 < daja77> hi _HulK_
21:17 < _HulK_> well
21:17 < _HulK_> now i have mirrored rock 1.7
21:17 < _HulK_> i'm ready to start to compile
21:18 < _HulK_> so
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21:18 < Mike1> so have fun _HulK_
21:18 < _HulK_> yes
21:18 * rolla is sick
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21:18 < _HulK_> Mike1
21:18 < _NULL> re
21:18 < Mike1> rolla: whats up?
21:19 < esden> rolla: then take some drugs that will heal you
21:19 < _HulK_> how do i compile it?
21:19 < _HulK_> with other distrib?
21:19 < daja77> _HulK_: which distro?
21:19 < _HulK_> debian
21:19 < daja77> Mike1: debian is for you :)
21:19 < _HulK_> Mike1
21:20 < _HulK_> tell me
21:20 < _HulK_> :)
21:20 < Mike1> _HulK_: yeah?
21:20 < _HulK_> compiling rock 1.7 under debian 3.0r0
21:20 < Mike1> daja77: what can't anyone else be masochist and build rock on debian?
21:20 < _HulK_> .....
21:20 < daja77> Mike1: dunno
21:20 < esden> Mike1: debian is not such a problem
21:20 < Mike1> _HulK_: i am running woody.
21:20 < esden> you are masochist if you do it on suse ;-)
21:20 < Mike1> esden: nah its not.
21:21 < Mike1> esden: actaully mandrake is worst
21:21 < Mike1> :)
21:21 < esden> _HulK_: ./scripts/Config
21:21 < esden> choose options
21:21 < _HulK_> sure
21:21 < daja77> esden: waaahaaa, did you have to mention that
21:21 < esden> ./scripts/Build-Target
21:21 < rolla> esden: I have taken many but they are no help
21:21 < _HulK_> i only nedd debian and just start?
21:21 < Mike1> _HulK_: well you need to install devfsd and compile you kernel to support devfs
21:21 < _HulK_> k
21:21 < Mike1> _HulK_: you need glibc23 and gcc3 (optional
21:22 < esden> _HulK_: your kernel has to have devfs compiled in
21:22 < _HulK_> sure, cause i want to optimize to athlon XP
21:22 < Mike1> _HulK_: you might wanna run a apt-get upgrade before starting to build
21:22 < Mike1> :)
21:22 < Mike1> _HulK_: no problems just do as i said and you will be fine.
21:22 < _HulK_> k
21:22 < _HulK_> so i'm goin to do it!
21:22 < Mike1> enjoy
21:22 < _HulK_> see you later!
21:22 < _HulK_> :)
21:23 < daja77> _HulK_: have fun
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21:24 < Mike1> poor guy, i should have told him that need to fix /etc/devfs.conf because his system will need old style devices to boot...
21:24 < Mike1> *VBEG*
21:25 < Mike1> ah well he will find out after a while (i hope)
21:25 < daja77> he'll return if he notices it
21:25 < Mike1> daja77: yeah.
21:25 < esden> you are a bad guy Mike1 
21:25 < Mike1> esden: me!?!?!
21:25 < Mike1> esden: what did i do?
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21:26 < Mike1> esden: i didn't do anything
21:26 < daja77> esden: no he is just incomplete .oO
21:26 < Mike1> sure its not about the things i do, is about the things i don't do :)
21:31 < esden> yes ... the poor guy will kill his box now ...
21:31 < daja77> esden: not if he kept the old kernel
21:32 < esden> yes right ... so if he will hill his box it will be his own fault
21:32 < daja77> indeed
21:33 < Mike1> yeah, see esden i am not bad :)
21:36 < esden> you are still bad ... and you know that ... even if you have not made as big mess as I thought this time ;-)
21:37 < Mike1> esden: no i don't know that, because i am not mad, even my middle name is Angel
21:37 < daja77> *rofl*
21:37 < Mike1> :)
21:37 < Mike1> Seriously
21:37 < Mike1> Miguel A. Bolanos
21:37 < Mike1> what could you spect the A. was for?
21:37 < Mike1> :)
21:37 < esden> Asshole ?
21:38 < daja77> damn, I wouldn't have said that :)
21:38 < Mike1> thanks.
21:38 < esden> de nada ;-) 
21:38 < esden> rofl
21:38 < esden> mike will now hate me ;-)
21:38 < o1k> Mike1: I had a headache now its gone ;-) liking hurd.
21:40 < esden> perhups he will finally kill me ... who knows ...
21:53 < Mike1> re
21:54 < o1k> re
21:55 < Mike1> o1k: good thing ur headache is gone :)
21:55 < Mike1> esden: BTW if you would said that serious you would be dead by now. :)
21:55 < Mike1> would have*
21:56 < Mike1> would have said*
21:56 < Mike1> damn typing
21:56 < daja77> Mike1: it seemed to me that he wants to be killed
21:57 < Mike1> daja77: well i couldn't kill him... you see i consider esden as the brother i never had.
21:57 < daja77> Mike1: than he must choose someone else...
21:58 < Mike1> but if it wasn't for that his wishes would have come true :P
21:58 < Mike1> daja77: are you willing to entertain us?
21:58 < Mike1> maybe o1k would like to join.
21:58 * daja77 grabs a water pistol and shoots in Mike's direction
21:59 * Mike1 gets down, so water goes straight to o1k's face.
21:59 * daja77 lowers the pistol
22:00 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E4960C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:00 < Mike1> daja77: tcr is here, shoot him! shoot him!
22:00 < tcr> re
22:00 < Mike1> *ggg*
22:01 < Mike1> welcome back tcr
22:01 * daja77 directs his water pistol to tcr
22:01 < daja77> hi tcr, wet welcome :)
22:01 < Mike1> hahahaha
22:01 < tcr> :P
22:01 < Mike1> esden: see daja77 is the bad guy not me.
22:02 * daja77 is having an evil grin 
22:03 < daja77> Mike1: there is no room for entertainment tonight, you are all so lame
22:03 < tcr> Haha, and that's said by you daja77 ...
22:03 * daja77 kicks tcr in the chest
22:04 < daja77> again and again and again...
22:04 < Mike1> daja77: be carefull you could hurt his breasts
22:05 < Mike1> :P
22:05 < daja77> maybe I should kick a lower region
22:05 < Mike1> daja77: maybe its a good time to run..
22:05 < Mike1> :)
22:05 < daja77> nah, Mike not because of him
22:06 < Mike1> ok.
22:06 * Mike1 back to rock work.
22:06 -!- Freak [freak@p508B12E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:06 < daja77> hi Freak, awake tonight?
22:07 < tcr> Mike1: IIRC, file isn't up to date in rock
22:07 < Freak> daja77: stfu
22:07 < Mike1> tcr: i alreadys ent my patches including the one for file
22:07 < Mike1> tcr: see mailing list
22:07 < daja77> Freak: ??
22:07 < Mike1> yo Freaky
22:07 < Freak> exactly. very freaky.
22:08 < tcr> ah, Mike1 yeah see it... hadn't checked these ;)
22:09 < Mike1> tcr: will update linux25 as soon as 2.5.67 is uploaded too.
22:09 < Mike1> tcr: in 2.5.67 the have made several fixes on pcmcia and i2c :)
22:10 < tcr> Yeah, am lkml suscriber
22:10 < Mike1> tcr: Good.
22:24 < daja77> can anybody tell some lame stories, I need to get tired soon
22:25 < Mike1> daja77: here, entertain your self:
22:25 < Mike1> http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~nhughes/bofh/
22:26 < daja77> thx Mike
22:26 < Mike1> daja77: you are welcome, enjoy it, i do :)
22:32 < rxr> hi
22:32 < daja77> hi rxr
22:35 < daja77> gn8 you all see you tomorrow
22:35 < tcr> n8 daja77
22:35 < Mike1> n8 daja77
22:35 < Mike1> hi rxr
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22:36 < rxr> hi Mike1
22:36 < rxr> please less updates and more fixes !!!
22:37 < Mike1> rxr: those updates were tested and don't brake anything!.
22:37 < Mike1> rxr: i am downloading the package sources to runa new build for bug hunting
22:38 < rxr> are you sure sed compiles and doesn't break s.th.? The last sed update was reverted by me becuase it did not build ...
22:38 < Mike1> my main work will be fixing shared files things
22:38 < Mike1> rxr: yes i am sure, i build sed without any problem here.
22:39 < rxr> hm ok.
22:39 < Mike1> i cans edn the .log file to you if you don't believe me.
22:39 < Mike1> send*
22:39 < rxr> but anyway I reply to your mail mentioning that more fix-patches would be nice instead of the tons of updates
22:40 < Mike1> tons?
22:40 < rxr> this is not a personal thing - it is only that with all the updates it is hard to keep on track for stable 2.0 ...
22:40 < rxr> Mike1: not from you - in general.
22:40 < Mike1> rxr: must of the updates i do at least are becase the files are no longer in the downlaod path because they have been updated, eg attr and acl
22:41 < rxr> Mike1: I believe you! It is just that I want to make sure we do not fail to stablize
22:41 < rxr> usually there is an old dir (or so)
22:41 < Mike1> rxr i know i know, i am willing as much as you to get stable
22:41 < rxr> we should start to add the file twice - once with the normal URL _and_ with the "deprecated" url (like FreeBSD does)
22:42 < rxr> so the chance that the file is availble is higher
22:42 < Mike1> rxr not for attr and acl at least, and anywasy if the update builds properly and things keep building, i see np, thats why i submit patches for this.
22:42 < Mike1> sounds like a good idea to me.
22:42 < rxr> also normally people use our mirrors - so those broken urls are only noticed by developers and not in too big chunks ...
22:43 < rxr> the second problem is that an update migth compile - but does the resulting binary still performs the task?
22:43 < rxr> we always have down-dates due to broken packages.
22:43 < Mike1> yeah.
22:43 < rxr> all those critical packages like lilo or grub ...
22:44 < rxr> and also things like wine should only be updated when they are tested by the maintainer to still work to some degree ;-)
22:44 < Mike1> rxr: ok lets keep it simple, i won't submit any more updates.
22:44 < rxr> but Mike1 _no_ !!
22:44 < tcr> Hmm
22:45 < rxr> You work is great and updates are needed - constantly and tested
22:45 < Mike1> rxr: i will work fixing not updating.
22:45 < rxr> yes - that would be very helpfull ;-)
22:45 -!- jasonmaier [~joerg@pD958EB2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:45 < jasonmaier> hey all
22:45 < Mike1> rxr: maybe i am good on updating matters but you are right, usually when i do this tree's change _alot_
22:46 < Mike1> jasonmaier: !!
22:46 < Mike1> hi!
22:46 < Mike1> rxr: anyways i will see what i can do fixing.
22:46 < tcr> rxr: But, well
22:46 < jasonmaier> now i downloadad a rock-1.7 binary, installed it on a vm an try to build my 1.7 there
22:46 < jasonmaier> btw =)
22:47 < jasonmaier> Mike!!
22:47 < rxr> tcr: yes ?
22:47 < tcr> rxr: see, say you get a quite stable version, but with a lot of outdated packages. And updating those afterwards can also (and probably) will lead to errors again. So...
22:48 < tcr> rxr: it cant be easily said what's better
22:48 < tcr> rxr: and updating simultanously can solve some problems
22:49 < rxr> but then you only update when a package has a known new feature and fixes a bug. Also the dependencies will then be resolved with more care.
22:51 < tcr> Hmm, it might be a good idea to have a 'pkg update queue', just a simply list where new version of pkgs are collected. So that they at least doesnt get lost, you know..
23:08 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
23:08 < A-Tui> hola
23:09 < tcr> moin atui
23:09 < A-Tui> hi tcr
23:09 < o1k> hi A-Tui
23:09 < A-Tui> hola o1k
23:10 < o1k> how is the noise ?
23:10 < A-Tui> very noise!
23:10 < A-Tui> :)
23:11 < A-Tui> now i'm playing heroes with sound
23:11 < o1k> hmm nice ! Finally ... I am going to play it on hurd ... ;-)
23:11 * Mike1 playing Build-Target with ascii output.
23:11 < Mike1> *ggg*
23:11 < A-Tui> :)
23:12 < o1k> Mike1: Your supportive ...
23:12 < Mike1> o1k: of course, i am always supportive
23:12 < Mike1> hi Aitor how are you ?
23:13 < o1k> thanks only there is no sound chardev (sound) on hurd ...
23:13 -!- rxr_ [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:13 < A-Tui> well, some tired buy good :)
23:13 -!- rxr_ is now known as rxr_wifi
23:13 < Mike1> rxr_wifi: is wifi = your ibook?
23:13 < rxr_wifi> no wireless fidelety
23:14 < Mike1> rxr_wifi: ah okis :)
23:14 < rxr_wifi> this is a celeron 633 2 1/2 years old ...
23:14 < Mike1> hello there celeron 633 2 1/2 years old, its a pleasure to meet you.
23:14 < rxr_wifi> *lol*
23:14 < Mike1> :)
23:15 -!- _HulK_ [~hulk@62-37-140-61.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #rocklinux
23:15 < _HulK_> Mike1, u there?
23:16 < Mike1> _HulK_: always
23:16 < _HulK_> k
23:16 < _HulK_> i'm tryin to "create-iso"
23:16 < dreamind> *yawn*
23:17 < Mike1> _HulK_: you did build the isntall disks target right?
23:17 < _HulK_> i've previously downloaded all to my server
23:17 < Mike1> dreamind: bored?
23:17 < _HulK_> not yet
23:17 < dreamind> Mike1: no, tired
23:18 < Mike1> _HulK_: downloading != building
23:18 < Mike1> dreamind: too much orobus work?
23:18 < Mike1> oroborus*
23:19 < _HulK_> however it seems to download everything again!
23:19 < _HulK_> i've made Config
23:19 < dreamind> Mike1: no, too much discussion with the coder of the powerdns ldap backend...
23:19 < _HulK_> then create-iso
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23:20 < Mike1> _HulK_: you can't create an iso if you haven't build the distro to burn on the iso
23:20 < o1k> well I am off ... CU !
23:20 < Mike1> cu o1k
23:20 -!- o1k [~Ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit ("leaving")
23:20 < _HulK_> i've thought it was included in this option
23:21 < Mike1> in what option?
23:21 < _HulK_> create-iso
23:21 < Mike1> _HulK_: of course not.
23:21 < _HulK_> he
23:21 < Mike1> _HulK_: first you need to ./scripts/Build-Target
23:21 < Mike1> _HulK_: _please_ read the documentation
23:22 < _HulK_> sure
23:22 < _HulK_> may i suggest to make some corrections to your spanish translation?
23:23 < tcr> Sure
23:23 < _HulK_> :)
23:23 < _HulK_> k
23:23 < Mike1> _HulK_: the one under Documentation/i18n/Spanish/ ?
23:23 < _HulK_> let me see
23:24 < Mike1> _HulK_: or what spanish translations are you talking about?
23:24 < _HulK_> http://www.rocklinux.org/guide.html
23:24 < _HulK_> rock guide
23:25 < Mike1> _HulK_: ROCK Guide is not going to be usefull for you on rock 1.7 at all
23:25 < Mike1> _HulK_: ROCK Guide is intended to be used on previous versions eg 1.6, 1.5 and 1.4
23:25 < _HulK_> however needs some corrections
23:25 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.")
23:25 < _HulK_> :)
23:25 < Mike1> _HulK_: and yeah i know that the translation needs some work, i just haven't get the time to fix it
23:26 < _HulK_> sure
23:26 < _HulK_> k Mike1
23:26 < tcr> _HulK_: simply send him diff's, so that he can apply it cleanly... we all will be thankful to you
23:26 < Mike1> _HulK_: if you want you can download the .tex file and make the corrections then send them back to me
23:26 < _HulK_> k
23:26 < tcr> hah
23:26 < A-Tui> re
23:26 < _HulK_> i'll do so
23:27 < _HulK_> back later
23:27 < _HulK_> see you
23:27 < Mike1> _HulK_: also A-Tui is helping _ALOT_ on spanish so you two could merge effords
23:27 < Mike1> ok cu _HulK_
23:27 < _HulK_> k guys
23:27 < A-Tui> _HulK_: are you going to translate to spanish?
23:27 < _HulK_> yes
23:28 < A-Tui> good :)
23:28 -!- dr_insolito [~jose@196.40.45.146] has joined #rocklinux
23:28 < Mike1> A-Tui: please coordinate with him.
23:28 < A-Tui> ok
23:28 < Mike1> A-Tui: then mail me with what you guys will do :)
23:28 < _HulK_> we will talk more about this
23:28 < _HulK_> k
23:28 < _HulK_> bye
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23:29 < A-Tui> Mike1: ok, now i trying to mount my nfs to send you 2 news docs
23:29 * Mike1 needs a cluster...
23:29 < Mike1> A-Tui: excellent.
23:29 * Mike1 is very happy with Aitor's work...
23:29 < A-Tui> :)
23:29 < A-Tui> thanks
23:30 * dr_insolito ask's itself if rocklinux will work better that others for his production servers!.......
23:31 < tcr> dr_insolito: Hmm depends...
23:32 < Mike1> dr_insolito: yes it will. :)
23:33 < Mike1> dr_insolito: if you have the skills to get it working without gui tools
23:35 < Mike1> dr_insolito: what kind of servers do you run?
23:35 < dr_insolito> Mike1: yes, I do, I don't have X on any server, but, how are the packets choosen!?, how can I update packets!, or remove! ....etc...
23:35 < dr_insolito> apache + mysql + ssl, etc....
23:36 < Mike1> dr_insolito: 'GEM Mine' does the trick.
23:36 < dr_insolito> rocklinux == hdw ?
23:37 < Mike1> dr_insolito: _NO_!
23:37 < tcr> hdw?
23:37 < Mike1> dr_insolito: hdw = poor imitation / copy of rock linux source
23:37 < tcr> hardware?!
23:37 < Mike1> tcr: hdw-linux
23:37 < tcr> Don't know it
23:38 < Mike1> tcr: http://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/contents/projects/hdw-linux/
23:41 < Mike1> dr_insolito: please feel free to ask your question regarding rock linux to you, we will try to answer to you.
23:41 * -> esden feels somehow drunk
23:41 < Mike1> esden: <AOL> me too </AOL>
23:42 < esden> o_O
23:42 < Mike1> esden: my typing gets worsta nd worst with the time, i should focus on less tasks at the same time
23:49 < dr_insolito> Mike1: i'm little buzy......:(
23:49 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@B6166.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:50 < Mike1> dr_insolito: ok 'pura vida' then i am back to code.
23:50 < Mike1> hi capy
23:50 < capchaos> hi mikey
23:50 < esden> hi capy
23:51 < esden> Mike1: what are you coding?
23:51 < capchaos> hi esdy
23:51 * Mike1 always likes to speak with the people from .cr getting on the chan.. not very usual, except from demian
23:52 < Mike1> esden: a dummy gui tool my boss asked to do for the receptionist
23:53 < esden> ahh ok
23:54 < dr_insolito> Mike1: what are you using to develop gui ?, ncurses ?, gtk ?, qt ?
23:55 < Mike1> gtk.
23:55 < Mike1> dr_insolito: but i could do it with qt.
23:55 < dr_insolito> so you prefer gtk over qt !?, why ?
23:55 < tcr> Well, but the appropriate question is if you _may_ do it
23:55 < tcr> with qt
23:56 < Mike1> dr_insolito: no i don't i just decided to it with gtk.
23:56 < rxr_wifi> hm
23:56 < rxr_wifi> me booting into 2.5 here - cu
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23:56 < tcr> qt is only gplish for private purpose..
23:56 < Mike1> dr_insolito: i'm more into php / python stuff than gtk / qt things if you ask me.
23:57 < dr_insolito> I use php, but python ....., I don't even know how it works!,  is python a solution for web development ?
23:58 < tcr> Hrrm.
23:58 < tcr> It's a OO scripting language
23:58 < Mike1> dr_insolito: think about as in perl... c, ...
23:58 < Mike1> that kind of stuff
23:59 < tcr> Huh? I dont consider python similiar to perl nor to c in any way
23:59 < A-Tui> dr_insolito: zope
23:59 < A-Tui> zope.org is based on python
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