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00:00 < n00kie> yes
00:01 < daja77> I have seen such a menu on stone
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00:03 < n00kie> I am not
00:03 < daja77> :(
00:03 < n00kie> but i think a selfmade script is better :)
00:04 < daja77> why?
00:04 < n00kie> because i learn more from linux
00:05 < n00kie> than using an automatician script :)
00:05 < daja77> ok, but you should do if it is your job installing lots of machines
00:05 < n00kie> yes
00:06 < n00kie> but i wanna just configure my own machine at the moment :)
00:06 < daja77> :)
00:06 < daja77> .oO I have more than one "own" machine :)
00:08 < n00kie> ich have just 2
00:08 < n00kie> i am student :)
00:08 < n00kie> i have no money :)
00:08 * daja77 too
00:09 < n00kie> i am poor
00:09 < n00kie> i live with my family under bridge :)
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00:21 < daja77> capchaos: what are you doin?
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00:21 < capchaos> sry
00:22 < daja77> why a swiss?
00:22 < capchaos> Well I like Swizerland ;)
00:23 < daja77> what for?
00:23 < capchaos> For it's excellent cheese
00:23 < n00kie> What binary files, does Rock use?
00:24 < daja77> ELF
00:25 < daja77> capchaos: how you got that swiss domain from here?
00:25 < capchaos> through black magic
00:26 < daja77> ah tell me more :)
00:26 < capchaos> No way ;)
00:26 * daja77 is interested in black magic
00:28 < capchaos> <URL:http://google.com/search?q=black+magic>
00:28 < ringo78> daja77: trye kernel havking ;-)
00:28 < capchaos> *g
00:28 < daja77> capchaos: you are evil
00:28 < capchaos> I know!
00:29 < ringo78> s/v///
00:29 < daja77> ringo78: should be s/v/c//
00:31 < ringo78> daja77: sri....
00:31 < daja77> ringo78: ???
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00:39 < ringo78> daja77: sri for the spelling, installin debian gnu hurd, I hope I wotn be hurt.
00:39 < daja77> ringo78: debian hurts, it is enabled as default :)
00:40 < ringo78> I am just curious about this hurd thingie.
00:40 < daja77> aeh, you install debian hurd?
00:41 < ringo78> yes I am trying ... Deb wants to install grub . :-(
00:41 < daja77> grub is nice, what's your problem with it
00:42 < ringo78> I dont know it maybe I should but I like no hassle lilo.
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00:42 < daja77> grub is more comfortable
00:42 < A-Tui> hi
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00:42 < daja77> A-Tui: hi, nice to see in the morning :)
00:43 < ringo78> I'll sea ... Hope you are right.
00:43 < A-Tui> morning? :)
00:43 < daja77> Son Apr 13 00:48:52 CEST 2003
00:43 < ringo78> good morning A-Tui
00:44 < A-Tui> yes... morning, good morning daja77, ringo78 :)
00:44 < A-Tui> eh good morning capchaos too
00:49 < capchaos> morning A-Tui
00:49 < daja77> A-Tui: tell me a story before I go to bed :)
00:49 < n00kie> Hi A-Tui !!
00:49 < n00kie> A-Tui: I like Grub more than LiLo!
00:49 < daja77> n00kie: ahem, tell it to ringo :))))
00:50 < n00kie> ringo78: I like Grub more than LiLo! ;)
00:50 < n00kie> hehe :)
00:50 < n00kie> 2.4.20
00:51 < n00kie> Linux n0nsense 2.4.20 #1 Fri Mar 28 19:18:24 CET 2003 i686 unknown
00:51 < n00kie> My rock machine :)
00:51 < A-Tui> n00kie: good :)
00:52 < daja77> n00kie: congrats
00:52 < n00kie> :)
00:52 < A-Tui> daja77: what kind of story?
00:53 < daja77> hmm, a nice one, so that I can sleep better
00:54 < A-Tui> i'm just a really bad teller stories :P
00:55 < n00kie> daja77: You should ask Mike1  :)
00:55 < daja77> he is away
00:55 < daja77> ...far away :(
00:57 < daja77> A-Tui: ok then just tell us a joke
00:58 < A-Tui> mmm i think i couldn't tell a joke in english :)
00:58 < A-Tui> so if you want tell you in spanish :)
00:58 < n00kie> A-Tui: Try!!
00:59 < daja77> A-Tui: no I don't like jokes in languages I don't understand
00:59 < A-Tui> it's logic :)
01:00 < n00kie> Be right back!!
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01:00 < A-Tui> mmm a friend who are going to germany this month it's going to borrow me a german manual :)
01:00 < daja77> for what?
01:01 < A-Tui> i don't know :)
01:01 < A-Tui> he said that he don't need it :)
01:01 < daja77> do I scan, then I can tell you :)
01:01 < daja77> a scan of course
01:01 < A-Tui> scan?
01:02 < daja77> yeah, scan the front page of the manual, so that I can view it as an image
01:03 < A-Tui> ahhh
01:03 < A-Tui> i think german it's too hard to learn in short time :(
01:04 < _NULL> re
01:04 < daja77> re hi _NULL
01:05 < A-Tui> hi _NULL
01:05 < daja77> A-Tui: don't worry, you can't learn every language on the planet anyway
01:06 < A-Tui> i know that, but there are some languages that are so pretty to try it
01:06 < daja77> which?
01:07 < A-Tui> german, french, greek, mmm and i think and the language of sahara's people :)
01:07 < daja77> arab?
01:07 < daja77> or you mean tuareg?
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01:08 < A-Tui> all arab people don't speak the same language
01:08 < daja77> dialects of arab, I know
01:09 < A-Tui> yes
01:09 < daja77> what foreign languages you had at school
01:09 < A-Tui> only english :(
01:09 < daja77> better than nothing :)
01:09 < A-Tui> yeah :)
01:10 * daja77 had three foreign languages at school
01:10 < A-Tui> w0w
01:10 < A-Tui> spanish education it's very very bad
01:11 < daja77> well I choose to do so, I could have reduced it to two foreign languages
01:11 < A-Tui> which?
01:11 < daja77> russian, english and french
01:11 < A-Tui> russian!
01:12 < A-Tui> well i study a year of latin
01:12 < A-Tui> studied :)
01:12 < daja77> yeah, started at 5th grade
01:12 < A-Tui> grades are diferents here
01:13 * daja77 had the chance to learn latin but chose a non-dead language
01:14 < A-Tui> here it's mandatory!
01:14 < A-Tui> everybody in high studies have a year of latin
01:14 < daja77> russian was mandatory before 1989 :)
01:15 < A-Tui> hehe, what place at german are you? in the east?
01:15 < daja77> yepp
01:15 < A-Tui> jeje
01:15 < daja77> ?
01:16 < A-Tui> i suppose that this is the reason for the mandatory russian language, true?
01:16 < daja77> yes
01:16 < A-Tui> well, here before 1978 was censored vasque language
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01:17 < A-Tui> and basque names, and basque culture, etc...
01:17 < [n00kie]> re!
01:17 < daja77> A-Tui: are you from basque region
01:17 < A-Tui> mmm i think 1975, when Franco died
01:17 < _NULL> hi [n00kie]
01:17 < A-Tui> daja77: my family all
01:17 < daja77> I see
01:17 < A-Tui> i was born near of it
01:18 < daja77> wb [n00kie]
01:18 < [n00kie]> Hello _Null!
01:18 < [n00kie]> thank you
01:18 < A-Tui> my name and my surname are basques
01:18 < [n00kie]> hey _NULL
01:18 < A-Tui> hi [n00kie]
01:18 < [n00kie]> I got my Rock Machine finally work
01:18 < [n00kie]> hi A-Tui
01:20 < _NULL> [n00kie]: congrats
01:29 < ringo78> [n00kie]: Now you can really Rock your machine !
01:30 < [n00kie]> yes :)
01:30 < ringo78> Going to regenerate for a while see you in some hours.
01:31 < [n00kie]> Have Fun!
01:31 < daja77> ringo78: see you, bye
01:33 < daja77> gn8 you all
01:33 < capchaos> gnu8 daja77
01:33 < A-Tui> bye daja77
01:34 < esden> hi all
01:34 < esden> that was a small but nice party ...
01:35 < daja77> huhu esden, nice to see you before I leave
01:35 < esden> does anyone want a peace of cake?
01:35 < esden> there is still something here
01:35 < _NULL> hi esden
01:35 < daja77> *raises hand*
01:35 < A-Tui> hello esden
01:35 * -> esden sends daja77 a peace of cake
01:35 < [n00kie]> gn8 daja!
01:36 * daja77 eats the cake before goin to bed
01:36 < A-Tui> :)
01:36 < daja77> bye esden, thx and cu
01:36 < esden> denada daja77 
01:36 < esden> good night daja77 
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01:36 < esden> I mean "de nada"
01:37 < A-Tui> that's better :)
01:37 < esden> *GG*
01:44 < [n00kie]> I will go to bed too!
01:44 < [n00kie]> Good Night!
01:44 < esden> good night [n00kie] 
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02:16 < _NULL> hi kasc
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03:56 < esden> wee ... rocklinux rulez ... 
03:56 < esden> the stone installation still needs some minor improovement ... but it really rulez
03:59 * tfing agrees :)
04:00 < esden> ohh ... still someone alive ... amazing ;-)
04:00 < esden> I really should go to bed ... *sigh*
04:00 < esden> I hate that
04:01 < tfing> me too
04:01 < tfing> nite esden
04:01 < esden> good night
04:04 < _NULL> gn8
04:19 < Ge0rG> bye :)
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08:41 < [n00kie]> Good Morning!
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09:32 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@N297P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
09:32 < n00kie> Hi
09:32 < n00kie> Anyone alive?
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11:34 < daja77> hi dzafez, all
11:35 < dzafez> hi
11:35 < dzafez> hi ROCKLinux
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11:35 < _NULL> hi dzafez , daja77
11:35 < daja77> hi _NULL
11:35 < dzafez> hi daja77, hi _NULL
11:36 * dzafez asks for the spoken chan-language ;)
11:36 * daja77 is fighting with a brain dead siemens case
11:36 < kasc> moin
11:36 < dzafez> ah
11:36 < daja77> dzafez: english
11:36 < capchaos> dzafez, LANG=en
11:36 < dzafez> moin moin
11:36 < _NULL> hi kasc
11:36 < daja77> hi capchaos
11:36 < capchaos> morning everyone :)
11:36 < daja77> hi kasc
11:37 < dzafez> ok no Prob
11:38 < dzafez> what is the nick of Jocelyn - or does he just login in with this name?
11:39 * kasc fights with the kernel
11:39 < dzafez> did anyone here about the Rootboard interview?
11:39 < daja77> dzafez: jocelyn is a woman
11:40 < kasc> rootboard?
11:40 < daja77> kasc: who wins?
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11:40 < kasc> daja77: i did not surrender, yet
11:40 < Patrickk> hi all
11:40 < _NULL> hi Patrickk
11:40 < kasc> but it look like the kernel wins
11:40 < daja77> hi Patrickk
11:40 < kasc> hi Patrickk
11:40 < daja77> kasc: :( why?
11:41 < dzafez> Jocelyn (sry didn't know, don't matter) talked to me about this and we are going to have a Interview with ROCKLinux Core in this Channel
11:41 < kasc> it keeps hanging everytime it comes to partition check on my notebook
11:41 < daja77> kasc: explain
11:42 < kasc> daja77: there isnt much i can explain. it just halts without any further message
11:43 < kasc> fortunately i have a backup kernel on that box to get it to running with loadlin
11:43 < _NULL> kasc: at about 92.xx % of checking?
11:43 < daja77> hmm partition checks are happening after the kernel is loaded
11:43 < daja77> maybe you can disable partition checks in init scripts
11:44 < kasc> _NULL: no, right after the ide driver is loaded and it checks the drives for partitions
11:44 < _NULL> k.
11:44 < daja77> kasc: ah ic have you enabled the right chipset support
11:44 < kasc> i hope so
11:45 < daja77> what chipset?
11:45 * dzafez has to go now
11:45 < kasc> i'm currently trying with just the generic chipset enabled...
11:45 < _NULL> bye dzafez
11:45 < daja77> bye dzafez
11:45 < kasc> some ali thing
11:45 < kasc> bye dzafez
11:46 < dzafez> bye _NULL, daja77, kasc   and    #ROCKLinux
11:46 < daja77> there is an option, support ali chipsets in menuconfig
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11:46 < kasc> i know, but that doesnt seem to work
11:46 < daja77> maybe you should play around with the ide settings
11:46 < kasc> maybe i'll need some boot parameter but first i want it booting at all without using dos
11:47 < daja77> this has nothing to do with the boot manager
11:48 < kasc> has it not? how am i supposed to put kernel parameters if not with the boot manager?
11:49 < daja77> what parameters do you need, afaik you shouldn't need parameters for hds
11:49 < kasc> dunno. still searching for possible parameters in the kernel docs
11:50 < daja77> kasc: you don't need parameters for hds, tell me your ide settings
11:50 < ringo78> kasc: Did you rerun lilo (even if the kernel image has the same name) ?
11:50 < kasc> ringo78: i use grub
11:50 < daja77> good
11:50 < kasc> daja77: what ide settings?
11:51 < daja77> in the menu in which you can select ata ide support there are other settings, maybe they are wrong
11:51 < daja77> hi ringo78 :)
11:52 < ringo78> hi daja77 kasc btw :)
11:52 < kasc> i'm currently trying without any nifty options. kernel ist still building...
11:52 < kasc> hi ringo78 :)
11:53 < daja77> but you have at least enabled ide hd support?
11:53 < kasc> sure
11:54 < kasc> just the generic driver
11:54 < daja77> otherwise you'll get a panic btdt
11:54 < daja77> should be ok
12:09 < daja77> kill -9 siemens*
12:12 < ringo78> daja77: fujitsu siemens ?
12:14 < daja77> it is an old computer, siemens only :)
12:15 < ringo78> ahh i tried to boot also on some old computers it failed tried to 1.6.0pre3
12:16 < daja77> 1.7 should work
12:17 < daja77> kasc: any news?
12:17 < ringo78> doesnt matter anyways were not my computers
12:17 < kasc> still building
12:17 < daja77> ringo78: hehe :)))
12:18 < ringo78> kasc: on which processor are you compiling ?
12:18 < daja77> good question
12:18 < kasc> 166 MHz i think...
12:18 < daja77> *argh*
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12:18 < kasc> hehe
12:18 < [n00kie]> hello
12:19 < daja77> hey [n00kie] :)
12:19 < kasc> a good time for breakfast ;)
12:19 < kasc> hi [n00kie]
12:19 < [n00kie]> hello daja77 :)
12:19 < [n00kie]> Hi kasc
12:19 < ringo78> hi [n00kie]
12:19 < [n00kie]> hi ringo
12:19 < daja77> kasc: yeah and in the evening the kernel is ready :)
12:19 < _NULL> hi [n00kie]
12:20 < [n00kie]> hi _NULL
12:20 < kasc> daja77: yep, a looong and extensive breakfast ;)
12:20 < daja77> kasc: have fun
12:20 < kasc> thx
12:20 < kasc> btw: anyone in here good at c?
12:21 < ringo78> kasc C ? whats up ?
12:21 < kasc> i have an *.a library but need a *.so library
12:21 < kasc> someone told me to write a wrapper, but i'm not quite used to c
12:22 < ringo78> option to configure ?
12:22 < kasc> its a binary-only library
12:23 < kasc> but i have a header file if that helps ;)
12:24 < kasc> daja77: btw: it worked now. I'm currently trying to compile in some of the nifty features
12:25 < ringo78> hmmm ... daunting ...
12:26 < kasc> ringo78: is there any easy or at least clean way to build such a wrapper?
12:29 < ringo78> kasc: sri I tought you meant real C codeing not libs but I am looking into it ;-) Btw what is the name ot the lib ?
12:32 < kasc> libctb1.a i think. It comes with a chipcard reader from Siemens-Nixdorf
12:33 < kasc> want me to send it to you?
12:34 < ringo78> I think I have found something ...
12:34 < kasc> libb1ct.a that is...
12:35 < kasc> what? where?
12:35 < daja77> kasc: congrats, any idea what went wrong?
12:36 < kasc> daja77: looks like the ali native driver is crap
12:36 < daja77> :)
12:36 < daja77> hahaha, siemens again
12:36 < kasc> the generic driver seems to detect the chipset as ali chipset and supports it well
12:37 < daja77> the generic driver works quite well with lots of chipsets
12:37 < ringo78> http://www.qnx.com/developer/articles/oct1901a/
12:37 < kasc> wonder why the native ones do not
12:38 < daja77> do I have to tell you about vendors and manufacturers
12:38 < daja77> ringo78: qnx != linux
12:41 < ringo78> sri :-( taking a book programming linux ;-)
12:42 < daja77> ringo78: it might be helpful anyway, just beware :)
12:42 < kasc> hehe
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13:44 < _NULL> hi Ge0rG , thorus
13:44 < thorus> hi
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13:58 < Ge0rG> good morning :)
13:59 < esden> good marning
13:59 < esden> *yawn*
14:02 < _NULL> morning esden
14:02 < _NULL> open the eyes, before typing *vbeg*
14:02 < Ge0rG> hehe
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14:10 < wosch> hi
14:10 < _NULL> hi wosch
14:11 < wosch> Anyone knows about setting permissions for X direct rendering?
14:15 < ringo78> wosch: devfsd.conf ?
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14:15 < thorus> re
14:15 < thorus> hi@all
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14:20 < _NULL> re
14:20 < ringo78> re
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14:22 < A-Tui> hola
14:25 < ringo78> buenos tardes  A-Tui
14:26 < A-Tui> buenas tardes ringo78
14:26 < [n00kie]> si senior ;)
14:26 < [n00kie]> <- Don't know what it means :D
14:26 < A-Tui> it means: yes, sir
14:26 < A-Tui> XD
14:28 < ringo78> daja77: any luck allready ?
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14:32 < ringo78> daja77: reading about dyn (shared) and static libs, its possible now get my idea to work ;-)
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14:33 < [n00kie]> Hello Caspar!
14:33 < Caspar> hi
14:34 < _NULL> hi Caspar
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14:38 < [n00kie]> Does here anyone run nvidia geforce4 drivers on rock?
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14:39 < blindcoder> not yet, just GeForce2
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14:39 < [n00kie]> uhmm
14:40 < [n00kie]> i think the geforce 2 drivers are already in xfree?
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14:40 < blindcoder> dunno
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14:41 < [n00kie]> what means dunno?
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14:41 < wosch> re
14:41 < blindcoder> don't know
14:42 < wosch> you knows what i have to chown so i can run opengl programs as non-root?
14:43 < blindcoder> erm... no... I usually don't do it...
14:43 < blindcoder> I never chown'ed anything...
14:43 < wosch> just, I don't feel so well having the kids play gltron as root...
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14:44 < javito> as root?
14:44 < javito> mmm?
14:44 < javito> why?
14:44 < blindcoder> why root?
14:44 < blindcoder> that's the strangest thing I ever heard
14:44 < javito> sure
14:44 < blindcoder> I log in, type startx, and run my opengl-apps
14:44 < wosch> hmm... mompls...
14:44 < javito> running gltron as root.. please add that on the topic!
14:46 < wosch> it doesn't run accelerated as vanilla user
14:47 < wosch> glxinfo says:
14:47 < blindcoder> wosch: you DO have 'Driver      "nvidia"' in your /etc/X11/XF86Config and the kernerl module loaded?
14:47 < wosch> nvidia? beats me, on intel hardware...
14:47 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@N297P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
14:47 < n00kie> Hello!
14:47 < wosch> glxinfo says something about operation not permitted when accessing DRM
14:48 < javito> check DRI permissions
14:48 < blindcoder> oh, nsorry... was n00kie talking about GeForce
14:48 < n00kie> when I wanna mount hda5
14:48 < n00kie> it says
14:48 < wosch> where are thos DRI permissions?
14:48 < n00kie> /mnt/hda5 does not exist
14:48 < n00kie> why?
14:48 < wosch> because rock is using devfs
14:48 < n00kie> ah
14:48 < n00kie> /devfs/hda5 =
14:48 < n00kie> ?
14:48 < _NULL> n00kie: nope.
14:48 < _NULL> ls -l /dev
14:49 < wosch> type ls /dev/ide/ then TAB through...
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14:49 < esden> morning n00kie 
14:49 < esden> hi owl
14:49 < esden> hi wosch 
14:49 < blindcoder> moin esdi
14:49 < esden> hmm ... flood ;-)
14:49 < n00kie> ah
14:49 < esden> hi blindcoder 
14:49 < n00kie> i have it
14:49 < ringo78> nookie: "REGISTER .* MKOLDCOMPAT" in devfsd.conf solves your problem
14:50 < n00kie> hi esden!
14:50 < ringo78> You get all your precious old devices.
14:51 < wosch> why would I want those precious old devices?
14:51 < n00kie> hmm
14:51 < blindcoder> wosch: because VMWare isn't devFS\-Aware for one
14:52 < n00kie> Uhm
14:52 < n00kie> I will write a alias for that!!
14:52 < esden> blindcoder: do you have running vmware on rock?
14:52 < n00kie> than it works too!
14:52 < n00kie> i think!
14:52 < wosch> blindcoder: i see
14:52 < n00kie> i try to install the nvidia drivers
14:52 < blindcoder> esden: yes, I proved it to work once you make some MKOLDCOMPAT's
14:52 * -> esden has 1.7 isos made out of cvs co from before two days
14:52 < esden> if someone is interested
14:52 < wosch> I found that dri permission problem :)
14:52 < esden> but for athlon
14:53 < blindcoder> wosch: Section "DRI"
14:53 < blindcoder> Pormissions "0666"
14:53 < ringo78> esden: Friend !
14:53 < blindcoder> EndSecrtion
14:53 < blindcoder> IIRC
14:53 < blindcoder> s/Por/Per/
14:53 < wosch> Can I make that chgrp which I threw on /dev/dri/card0 somehow persistent... ahh thanks
14:53 < n00kie> waaaah
14:53 < n00kie> i hate thos damn nvidia
14:53 < esden> ringo78: ;-)
14:53 < n00kie> it says
14:53 < blindcoder> n00kie: what's the problem?
14:53 < n00kie> Unable to load kernel module nvidia.o
14:53 < n00kie> what should i do?
14:53 < blindcoder> n00kie: compile hte kernel module
14:54 < n00kie> the script wants to do this
14:54 < ringo78> esden: where do I down ?
14:54 < blindcoder> n00kie: so let it do it
14:54 < n00kie> yes
14:54 < n00kie> but it says it is unable to load the kernel module
14:54 < blindcoder> then compile the kernel module
14:55 < n00kie> where can I get the kernel module?
14:55 < blindcoder> dc /usr/src/rock-src
14:55 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Download -package nvidia
14:55 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Xuild-Pkg nvidia
14:55 < blindcoder> done
14:55 < blindcoder> s/X/B/
14:56 < n00kie> ./scripts/Download file or directory not found
14:56 < n00kie> :((
14:56 < blindcoder> rock 1.7 or 1.5?
14:56 < daja77> re
14:56 < n00kie> rock 1.7 snapshot
14:56 < n00kie> wb daja77 !
14:56 < daja77> thx
14:56 < blindcoder> then it has to be there, you're in the wrong dir
14:57 < n00kie> no
14:57 < daja77> hi blindcoder, wosch and esden :)
14:57 < n00kie> i meade everything you said
14:57 < n00kie> ah
14:57 < n00kie> i think its
14:57 < blindcoder> n00kie: also corrected the dc/dc typo?
14:57 < n00kie> rock-src-snapshot
14:57 < blindcoder> dc/cd?
14:57 < n00kie> dc = cd ?
14:57 < n00kie> or what?
14:57 < n00kie> i entered dc
14:57 < blindcoder> yeah, was a typo
14:58 < n00kie> what is a typo?
14:58 < n00kie> sorry, my englisch is not very good
14:58 < daja77> tippfehler
14:58 < blindcoder> typo / typoing error
14:58 * blindcoder can't type >_<
14:58 < n00kie> ah
14:58 < n00kie> now i should enter DC ?
14:58 < n00kie> i mean
14:58 < n00kie> CD
14:58 < n00kie> not DC?
14:58 < blindcoder> yes
14:58 < n00kie> ok
14:59 < n00kie> pelase post again what i should enter
14:59 < n00kie> i am on irssi
14:59 < n00kie> there is no scrolling
14:59 < n00kie> please blindcoder
14:59 < blindcoder> n00kie: Bild rauf / Bild runter
15:00 < blindcoder> cd /usr/src/rock-src
15:00 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Download -package nvidia
15:00 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Package nvidia
15:00 < n00kie> ah
15:01 < n00kie> thank you
15:01 < n00kie> the first thing works :)
15:01 < blindcoder> :)
15:01 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off to dancing now
15:01 < blindcoder> baba
15:01 < n00kie> bye!
15:01 < n00kie> thank you again!
15:01 < esden> ringo78: nowhere ... but I can upload it to you if you give me a place 
15:02 < daja77> n00kie: bye, cu
15:03 < n00kie> no
15:03 < n00kie> i don't go
15:03 < n00kie> blindcoder goes, daja!!
15:03 < daja77> oh damn
15:03 < n00kie> :-))
15:03 < daja77> bye blindcoder
15:03 < n00kie> No problem!
15:04 < ringo78> esden: trying to get ftp back up :-()
15:05 < esden> ringo78: k ;-)
15:06 < n00kie> when i enter
15:06 < n00kie> ./scripts/build-pkg nvidia
15:06 < daja77> huhu esden :)
15:06 < n00kie> it says
15:06 < n00kie> ERROR: No configuration 'default' found.
15:06 < n00kie> Please create a configuration using ./scripts/Config
15:06 < n00kie> should i enter
15:07 < n00kie> ./scripts/Config ?
15:08 < esden> huhu daja77 
15:08 < n00kie> daja77, esden, ringo78: Should I enter ./scripts/Config ?
15:08 < esden> yes
15:08 < n00kie> ok
15:08 < snyke> xhi esden
15:09 < n00kie> Oh
15:09 < n00kie> There is now the build config!!
15:09 < n00kie> Does this mean to compile the system?
15:10 < n00kie> help me please!
15:11 < daja77> hey snyke :)
15:11 < _NULL> moin snyke
15:11 < n00kie> Means the build config to compile the system?
15:12 < n00kie> I just want to build the nvidia drivers!
15:12 < daja77> Config is just for configurating things it does no compile
15:12 < n00kie> ah
15:12 < n00kie> but i don't know what to enter and so!!
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15:13 < n00kie> architecture options:
15:13 < n00kie> what should i select there?
15:13 < n00kie> i have a athlon xp
15:13 < daja77> re hi capchaos
15:13 < capchaos> jo er hi
15:13 < n00kie> wb capchaos
15:13 < capchaos> re
15:13 < daja77> capchaos: swiss again?
15:13 < capchaos> Heh yeah
15:14 < n00kie> hey guys
15:14 < n00kie> help me please!
15:14 < n00kie> :(
15:14 < capchaos> wus up there?
15:14 < n00kie> i am on build config
15:14 < n00kie> but i mostly don't know what to select!!
15:14 < capchaos> There is not much to select ehh :)
15:15 < n00kie> yes
15:15 < n00kie> but what should i select?
15:15 < capchaos> athlon-xp
15:15 < n00kie> there is not athlon xp
15:15 < capchaos> ?
15:15 < _NULL> n00kie: sure there is.
15:15 < n00kie> no
15:15 < n00kie> intel x86
15:15 < n00kie> or
15:15 < capchaos>    (athlon-xp) Optimised for AMD Athlon XP
15:15 < n00kie> no generic configure
15:15 < capchaos> n00kie, I guess you won't need a cross-build
15:16 < capchaos> and generic rock would do just fine
15:16 < n00kie> ah
15:16 < n00kie> i found!!
15:16 < n00kie> there was a "untermenue!
15:16 < capchaos> I'd also select Abort when a package-build fails
15:16 < capchaos> Else I expect there to be mess in the dependencies.. dunno
15:16 < javito> can i compile an application i have coded in C for win32 on my linux box?
15:17 < daja77> javito: depends
15:17 < capchaos> javito, depends on what libraries you use
15:17 < capchaos> javito, or if win32 was a standart ansi C
15:17 < javito> the standards one =)
15:17 < capchaos> javito, give it a try ;)
15:17 < javito> yes , its standard ansi c
15:18 < javito> i mean, i would be using gnuC?
15:18 < n00kie> What should I select on
15:18 < n00kie> "Build System Configuration"
15:18 < n00kie> ?
15:18 < daja77> of course you shouldn't include windows.h :)
15:18 < n00kie> there are many points to select
15:18 < capchaos>   [*]    Abort when a package-build fails <- maybe
15:18 < n00kie> but i don't know what to select!
15:18 < ringo78> hmm anybody know why ftp and in fact all my services are refused by a remote host ?
15:19 < capchaos> ringo78, maybe your IP pool is blocked
15:19 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps")
15:19 < capchaos> ringo78, like if some host doesn't like *.t-dialin.net .. for some reason or another
15:19 * daja77 sings what a maniac sunday
15:19 < n00kie> help me please!
15:20 < capchaos> n00kie, that's it! :)
15:20 < n00kie> but on Build System Configuration
15:20 < n00kie> there is no point selectet
15:20 < n00kie> what points should i select?
15:20 < capchaos> < capchaos>   [*]    Abort when a package-build fails <- maybe
15:20 < n00kie> ah
15:20 < n00kie> nothing others?
15:21 < capchaos> n00kie, if this is your first build you'll live fine with nothing else selected
15:21 < n00kie> i don
15:21 < n00kie> 't want to build the system!
15:21 < n00kie> i just wnat to build nvidia drivers!!
15:21 < capchaos> Well, go ahead ;)
15:22 < ringo78> capchaos: strange if I use my ip adres it refuses if I enter a FQDN it accept
15:22 < n00kie> ok
15:22 < ringo78> s
15:22 < n00kie> i try!!
15:23 < n00kie> yes!!
15:23 < n00kie> It finished building the nvidia packages!!
15:23 < n00kie> what should i do now?
15:23 < n00kie> can I start x?
15:23 < capchaos> n00kie, congrats ;)
15:23 < n00kie> or must I use the setup tool from nvidia again?
15:23 < capchaos> ringo78, dunno
15:24 < capchaos> n00kie, I guess no.. just try startx
15:24 < n00kie> ok
15:25 < n00kie> Fatal Error: No Screens found
15:25 < n00kie> Must I configure Xfree config with Stone?
15:25 < capchaos> modprobe nvidia ;)
15:25 < n00kie> I haven't done this yet!!
15:26 < n00kie> capchaos: Should I not configure my xfree configuration file?
15:26 < n00kie> help me please!
15:27 < capchaos> n00kie, see with lsmod if nvidia is loaded and if there is an entry like Driver "nvidia" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
15:27 < n00kie> No
15:27 < n00kie> nvidia is not loaded!
15:27 < n00kie> i mean
15:27 < n00kie> on lsmod!
15:28 < capchaos>  < capchaos> modprobe nvidia ;)
15:28 < n00kie> Can't locate module nvidia
15:28 < n00kie> What should I do know?
15:29 < capchaos> The.. dunno how ROCK installs nvidia modules... install the sources by hand.. first the kernel, second the glx source with "make install"..
15:29 < n00kie> hmm
15:29 < n00kie> can i try to run the nvidia setup tool again?
15:29 < n00kie> i dont have the sources!
15:30 < capchaos> ./script/Download -package nvidia
15:30 < n00kie> I have done this already!
15:31 < n00kie> and i have buildet iht successfully!
15:32 < capchaos> I'd like to have tested it on my own.. but I'm not on a ROCK box ;)
15:32 < n00kie> ok
15:32 < n00kie> i will go a bit in sun now :)
15:32 < n00kie> i will be back later !!
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15:32 < capchaos> Have fun! It'll work, I promise ;)
15:32 < n00kie> tzhank you
15:32 < _NULL> sun? sun? - give me a sun !
15:32 < n00kie> thank you
15:32 * capchaos has too much sun here
15:33 < _NULL> capchaos: which one? ;)
15:33 < capchaos> The REAL sun
15:33 < capchaos> Geekgirl! :P
15:34 < _NULL> capchaos: :p you could give a unreal sun to me *eg*
15:34 < capchaos> _NULL, I'd be glad to have one myself :p
15:34 < _NULL> i know ;)
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15:37 < ringo78> _NULL: an old one is not that expensive .
15:37 < _NULL> ringo78: /me = poor
15:45 * daja77 is waiting for the rich one here :)
15:45 < daja77> *argh* grub setup fails for no obvious reason
15:47 < daja77> any known problems with that?
15:48 < capchaos> Yeah: too much beer ;)
15:51 < daja77> capchaos: no, if I use stone, grub tells me everytime install succeeded, but hasn't installed a bit on mbr :(
15:51 < capchaos> daja77, why use stone anyway? ;)
15:51 < daja77> testing it of course
15:52 < n00kie> daja77: I think I had this problem, when i want to write grub into hda1 which was ntfs!!
15:53 < daja77> n00kie: no way, there is no evil system on that hd
15:53 < n00kie> evil system?
15:53 < daja77> win*
15:53 < n00kie> hehe
15:53 < capchaos> daja77, if the Elephant is too humpy use the horse ;) maybe Stone forgot something specific for your system
15:53 < n00kie> i have nothing against windows
15:54 < daja77> n00kie: I have fdisk against windows
15:57 < daja77> capchaos: btw, this is second system where it fails :)
15:57 < daja77> anyway I'll try to repair it
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16:01 < daja77> rotcapchaos *rofl*
16:01 < capchaos> hm?
16:02 < daja77> you are rotating :)
16:02 < capchaos> sry
16:02 < daja77> np
16:02 < capchaos> Just playing around.. bored ;)
16:02 < daja77> find a girl and have fun :)
16:02 < _NULL> daja77: *kick*
16:03 < daja77> _NULL: ?
16:03 < capchaos> I just lost one, so no fun
16:03 < _NULL> daja77: girls are not just something to have fun with
16:04 * daja77 sings "oh girls just wanna have fun..."
16:04 < capchaos> *lol*
16:04 < _NULL> mv /dev/world/daja77 /dev/hell
16:04 < daja77> having fun in hell yeah
16:04 < capchaos> Heh burn daja77 burn ;)
16:05 < _NULL> *g*
16:05 < daja77> .oO _NULL hates without an obvious reason
16:06 < daja77> _NULL: maybe you shouldn't confuse having fun with having s*x
16:06 < _NULL> daja77: a) you're a human, b) a man, c) babbling around crap here
16:06 < daja77> a :)
16:06 < _NULL> so i have 3 reasons to hate you :p
16:06 < daja77> hehe, ok
16:07 * daja77 has at least three reasons to like owl
16:09 * daja77 is happy not to be kicked to heaven
16:11 < capchaos> yeah, why have obligations after death ;)
16:11 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
16:11 < daja77> heaven is a dull place, all the christians hanging around there :)
16:11 < daja77> wb A-Tui
16:12 < A-Tui> hi daja77
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16:31 < kasc> yippie! my notebook works again :)
16:32 < daja77> congrats
16:33 < A-Tui> problems on ROCK 1.7 built :(
16:34 < A-Tui> misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c: In function `cleanenv':
16:34 < A-Tui> misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c:91: internal error: Illegal instruction
16:41 < kasc> thx
16:55 < kasc> A-Tui: might sound stupid, but did you make a ./scritps/Cleanup?
16:57 < A-Tui> ops no
16:57 < A-Tui> but it's my first build
16:57 < A-Tui> src is new from CVS
16:57 < A-Tui> i'm going to try a Cleanup
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17:04 < daja77> damn
17:05 < kasc> daja77: whats up?
17:06 < daja77> dunno, it seems that _NULL left because of me...
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17:09 < kasc> hehe
17:09 < daja77> kasc: ?
17:09 < kasc> she's going to die quite often
17:09 < kasc> nothing to be worried about
17:10 < daja77> yeah, but usually not after arguing with me :(
17:11 < kasc> i'm sure she will be back later this eventing ;)
17:11 < daja77> yepp, think so, but she is more down than before
17:18 < daja77> *argl* can't install any bootmanager from my self made cds
17:30 < kasc> damn! my notebook graphics chip doesnt support dri/gl
17:33 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD952C894.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:33 < dzafez> Hi
17:33 < capchaos> hi dzafez
17:33 < dzafez> I have trouble installing the Rock 1.6 iso
17:34 < dzafez> ca hi
17:35 < dzafez> after it boots from the CD it shows me a bootprompt (you all know this) afte i hit enter it says "loading linux" +"." and reboots
17:36 < dzafez> whats wrong?
17:37 < capchaos> What else does it say before rebooting?
17:37 < dzafez> nothing
17:38 < daja77> dzafez: how often did that happen?
17:39 < dzafez> every time *pressing enter again- happens again*
17:39 < daja77> strange, can you try a boot disk with a newer kernel?
17:40 < dzafez> well I would like to build ROCK but i have a debian and i want ro build it on a rock since i read this would be less trouble
17:40 < dzafez> I dont have a bootdisk at all
17:41 < daja77> create one
17:41 < dzafez> where to get the right one?
17:43 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49AEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:43 < dzafez> is there a newer iso than 1.6?
17:44 < daja77> ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/Linux/slackware/slackware-9.0/bootdisks/bare.i
17:44 < tcr> moin all
17:44 < daja77> is a slackware bootdisk for testing
17:44 < daja77> hi tcr
17:44 < daja77> dzafez: yes there is
17:45 < dzafez> thanks for the link it will be a fast download since I'm only 30 KM away
17:46 < daja77> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/unstable/2.0.0-alpha/
17:47 < dzafez> I know but it says unstable and I'm just so scared
17:47 < dzafez> lol
17:47 < dzafez> thanks
17:51 < daja77> :)
17:51 < dzafez> I'm downloading right now 2.0 unstable
17:53 * A-Tui is away: ¿Por que nos mirarán tan mal? Somos unos chicos de lo más normal!
17:53 < dzafez> ok lets try the floppy
17:53 -!- xLobeznox [~XXX@229-254-ADSL.red.retevision.es] has joined #rocklinux
17:53 < daja77> A-Tui: whatever
17:53 < dzafez> looks goot
17:53 < daja77> hi xLobeznox
17:54 < A-Tui> daja77: it's only an away
17:54 < A-Tui> getting from a song
17:54 < daja77> i see, sorry
17:54 < A-Tui> cu guys, i'm going to walk the dog
17:54 < A-Tui> daja77: no matter :)
17:55 < dzafez> hahaha    kernel panic attempted to kill init !
17:55 < daja77> dzafez: tell me about your hardware
17:56 < dzafez> ok 400MHZ AMDK6
17:56 < daja77> chipset
17:56 < dzafez> 195584K RAM  mixed EDO and SDRAM
17:56 < daja77> huh?
17:57 < dzafez> ETEQ EQ82C6629
17:57 < daja77> ah yes...
17:58 < dzafez> I know this sounds wired
17:58 < dzafez> but this is a soyo beta-tester board
17:58 < daja77> har har
17:59 < dzafez> give me a second I try to resolve throug America II Chipfinder if I can see what the real CHipname is
18:00 < daja77> ok
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18:02 < dzafez> Chipset Type
18:02 < dzafez> VIA MVP3
18:02 < dzafez> Chipset Description
18:02 < dzafez> ETEQ 82C6638AT / 6629 AGP chipset
18:02 * daja77 hates via
18:03 < daja77> have you ever had linux on that box?
18:03 < dzafez> knoppix was no problem
18:03 < daja77> try the alpha maybe it works :)
18:04 < dzafez> and via says this was explizidly compatible with FreeBSD
18:04 < dzafez> I dont like problems
18:05 < dzafez> maybe It works better on ROCK 2.0
18:05 < daja77> I hope so
18:05 < dzafez> could it just be a problem with my RAM?
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18:10 < daja77> dzafez: dunno
18:11 < dzafez> well
18:11 < dzafez> I'll just wait until 2.0 is on my disk
18:11 < daja77> yeah, wait
18:11 < dzafez> thanks anyway
18:11 < daja77> np
18:12 < dzafez> c you  I'm going for Icecream
18:12 < dzafez> bye
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18:49 < _NULL> re
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18:53 < _NULL> hi tcr , my special friend
18:55 < daja77> re _NULL
18:57 < esden> re 
18:57 < esden> dumdidum
18:57 < daja77> hi esden
18:57 < A-Tui> bye bye guys, today teather day :)
18:57 < daja77> bye A-Tui
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18:58 < _NULL> gna. too slow :-/
19:02 < tcr> esden: still here?
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19:03 < esden> tcr: yes
19:03 < esden> didididing 
19:04 < esden> *dance*
19:05 < daja77> esden dances for us, nice
19:05 < tcr> esden: I think an own channel would be better for the upcoming talk. And for talks in general..
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19:05 < esden> tcr: why do you think so ?
19:07 < tcr> esden: Well, say the talk would be in a language I don't comprehend... I dunno if it wouldn't disturb me...
19:07 < tcr> but for the 2h this channel i'td be practically unnecessary to be here. Kinda abuse
19:08 < esden> hmm ... it is an argument
19:08 < tcr> Well, and nothing speaks against #rocklinux-talk. Imho it isn't even necessary to register it, just say that the talk will be there, that's all
19:09 < tcr> Everybody who _wants_ to attend, joins. Everyone else just doesnt.
19:09 < esden> hmm ... yes
19:10 < esden> but I would register it and log in the same way #rocklinux is being logged
19:10 < tcr> And, also, the imagination that this channel would be a german one wouldn't come up...
19:10 < n00kie> I am back!!
19:10 < daja77> I think tcr is right, this chan would be flooded and unusable for anybody else
19:11 < tcr> esden: Well, but that isn't actually necessary
19:11 < daja77> tcr: the logs could be useful
19:12 < tcr> esden: You don't want to log anything that isn't only sometimes in use... And for the seldom event there are filter programms that can be run against the log file
19:12 < tcr> No automatism is needed for this... actually ;)
19:13 < esden> we need the logs because of translations (at least jocelin wants to do the translation ... ) there will be none but ...
19:13 < daja77> ack
19:13 < esden> tcr: I have the whole infrastructure for automatic logging so it is no problem
19:13 < n00kie> Can anyone help me with the nvidia drivers?
19:13 < daja77> what's your problem with it
19:13 < n00kie> I have buildet the nvidia drivers successfully, like capchaos said
19:14 < n00kie> but when i "startx"
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19:14 < n00kie> it says: "no screens found"
19:14 < n00kie> what should i do?
19:14 < daja77> n00kie: mail me your X config
19:15 < n00kie> you mean xfree86.conf ?
19:15 < tcr> esden: I also think that logs wouldn't be bad at all.. but I just say that the registration isn't really necessary. Actually want to save you off from work ;)
19:15 < daja77> XFree86.cong
19:15 < daja77> XFree86.conf
19:15 < n00kie> yes
19:15 < n00kie> it is the standard one
19:15 < n00kie> i haven't edited that yet
19:15 < daja77> yeah, mail that to me
19:15 < esden> ok #rocklinux-talk registred ;-)
19:16 < tcr> hmm, isn't stone quite capable of configuring X ?
19:16 < n00kie> yes
19:16 < n00kie> BUt capchaos said, i should not edit the conf
19:16 < daja77> why?
19:17 < n00kie> I don't know
19:17 < n00kie> uhm
19:17 < n00kie> How can I copy the xfree file?
19:17 < tcr> Well there is a log file of X which error message can be handed over to google which mostly gives all information about the problem that's needed
19:18 < n00kie> I have no X
19:18 < n00kie> is there anyway to copy the "inhalt" to a webpage?
19:18 < tcr> you have no X?? O_o
19:19 < n00kie> no
19:19 < tcr> why the hell do you try to run startx then?
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19:19 < n00kie> because i have installed the drivers!!
19:19 < n00kie> without the drivers it won't work!
19:19 < _NULL> tcr: n00kie is a beginner!
19:20 < daja77> n00kie: mail your X config to <rock@lospalmos.net> and I'll have a look at it
19:20 < tcr> I can't see your reasoning.. 'startx' does, as the name indicates, start X ... why do you want to start X if you don't have X installed?
19:21 < esden> tcr: please reply to the email of jocelin stating your censerns and tell that I registred the channel ...
19:21 < tcr> esden: Ok.
19:22 < esden> good
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19:31 < tcr> brb
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19:32 < esden> argh ... fscking shitt
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19:32 < esden> hi Mike2 
19:33 * -> esden wants to take something apart at the moment
19:33 < _NULL> esden: ???
19:33 < daja77> esden: hope this doesn't have to do anything with polish blood *g*
19:34 < daja77> Mike2: ?
19:34 < esden> it has to do with dietlibc target, acl and attr in rocklinux
19:34 < esden> clifford really wants to kill me
19:35 < daja77> oh why that?
19:36 < esden> he added acl support to rocklinux
19:36 < daja77> *argh*
19:36 < esden> and added a patch to coreutils
19:36 < esden> that is enabling acl support in it
19:36 < daja77> I thought devfs is worse enough
19:36 < esden> and I can backwords patch it in the dietlibc target
19:37 < esden> or get acl (and for acl needed attr library) running under dietlibc target
19:37 < tfing> isn't it possible to disable the acl patch for the dietlibc target ?
19:38 < esden> yes that would be a solution ... I thought about it
19:38 < esden> but I think getting acl running under dietlibc would be nice
19:39 < tfing> oh
19:39 < tfing> but might represent quite some work
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19:43 < n00kie> Hello!
19:43 < n00kie> I have no tried to configure my config
19:43 < n00kie> but when i type "startx"
19:43 < n00kie> it says
19:43 < n00kie> Fatal Server Error:
19:44 < n00kie> Failed to initialize core devices
19:44 < n00kie> What should I do?
19:44 < esden> you done something wrong with mouse settings
19:45 < n00kie> I took the default settings and selected ImPS/2
19:45 < esden> check /var/log/XFree86.0.log what is wrong
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19:46 < n00kie> I will look at this file!
19:48 < n00kie> Oh
19:48 < n00kie> I think I have the error!!
19:48 < n00kie> It says
19:48 < n00kie> Could not load xxxx*xxx (H SYNC OUT OF RANGE)
19:49 < n00kie> What should i do?
19:49 < n00kie> I dont know the hsync etc!
19:50 < n00kie> Hey esden
19:50 < esden> no idea
19:50 < n00kie> My mouse is on ps2 port
19:50 < n00kie> but it says
19:50 < n00kie> cannot open devices /dev/mouse
19:50 < n00kie> on debian i ever choosed /dev/psaux
19:50 < n00kie> Should I try psaux?
19:51 < _NULL> /dev/misc/psaux is the device
19:51 < n00kie> /dev/mouse is the default one
19:51 < n00kie> ok!
19:52 < n00kie> How can I search something in vim?
19:52 < _NULL> /word-to-search
19:52 < n00kie> ah
19:52 < n00kie> thank you!
19:52 < _NULL> np
19:55 < n00kie> So I should replace everything with /dev/mouse with /dev/misc/psaux ?
19:57 < _NULL> n00kie: you have something like: Section "InputDevice"
19:57 < esden> n00kie: yes
19:57 < _NULL> (something which isn't commented out)
19:57 < esden> or create a symlink in /dev from /dev/misc/psaux to /dev/mouse
19:58 < esden> to make that permanent use /etc/config/devfs for example
19:58 < esden> I think that is also possible with /etc/devfs.conf but do not ask me how
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20:01 < n00kie_> Hello!
20:01 < n00kie_> I got X work!!
20:01 < n00kie_> But not complete!
20:01 < n00kie_> When i start x
20:01 < n00kie_> gnome 2.2 talks something about /etc/hosts file
20:01 < n00kie_> and then i just can reset the computer!!
20:01 < n00kie_> What should I do?
20:02 < n00kie_> I will try again
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20:07 < n00kie> Hello!
20:07 < n00kie> The error comes again!!
20:07 < esden> what does it say about /etc/hosts?
20:07 < esden> probably you have to add your hostname to /etc/hosts
20:08 < esden> or something is missing
20:08 < n00kie> Ah
20:08 < n00kie> There is
20:08 < n00kie> localhost.localnet    localnet
20:09 < n00kie> should I replace this with n0nsense.n00kie.dyndns.tv     n00kie.dyndns.tv ?
20:09 < esden> nope
20:09 < n00kie> ah
20:09 < n00kie> hmm
20:09 < esden> add a line 
20:09 < n00kie> Ah
20:09 < n00kie> What line?
20:10 < esden> some line matching your host
20:10 < esden> or so
20:10 < esden> but do not remove tho localhost setting
20:10 < tcr> hmm X-men today on RTL
20:10 < n00kie> ye
20:10 < n00kie> s+
20:10 < esden> 127.0.0.1 n0nsense
20:10 < esden> or so
20:10 < n00kie> tcr: Look it on ORF!!
20:10 < n00kie> There is no advertisment
20:11 < n00kie> ok esden
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20:18 < n00kie_> My X is running!! :)
20:18 < esden> good ;-)
20:18 * n00kie_ is happy :)
20:19 * -> esden away xman schaun
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21:05 < _HulK_> hi all
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21:12 < n00kie> Hi
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21:15 < tsa> hi all
21:16 < _NULL> hi tsa
21:17 < n00kie> I have problems with mozilla!
21:17 < capchaos> Use phoenix ;P
21:17 < n00kie> wait
21:17 < n00kie> I must know, what to enter in /etc/hosts
21:18 < capchaos> echo "127.0.0.1 nookhost localhost" >> /etc/hosts
21:19 < n00kie> i have done this
21:19 < n00kie> Maybe I can use Gnome now?
21:19 < n00kie> I will try!
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21:22 < _HulK_> building the base packages is enough to build all packages?
21:23 < _HulK_> i've started compiling under gentoo base distro(at stage3 only)
21:23 < _HulK_> so i'm having compilation problems with kde, tetex, ...
21:24 < _HulK_> i said hi all bros!
21:24 < _HulK_> :P
21:26 < capchaos> hi _HulK_
21:26 < _HulK_> hi capchaos
21:26 < _HulK_> you've read me?
21:27 < capchaos> Why start at stage3 if it fails?
21:27 < _HulK_> cause i've dial up conex
21:28 < _HulK_> i mirrored to an HDD ROCK-1.7 at my job server
21:29 < _HulK_> well
21:30 < _HulK_> i think i must upgrade with needed packages
21:31 < capchaos> maybe :)
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22:27 < tsa> re
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22:45 < n00kie> Hello!!
22:45 < n00kie> Help me please
22:45 < n00kie> When I wanna start phoenix
22:45 < n00kie> it says
22:45 < n00kie> n00kie:~/phoenix$
22:45 < n00kie> run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/phoenix-bin.
22:46 < tsa> file /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/phoenix-bin ?
22:46 < n00kie> n00kie:~/phoenix$ file /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/phoenix-bin
22:46 < n00kie> /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/phoenix-bin: can't stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/phoenix-bin' (No such file or directory)
22:46 < n00kie> i think the mozilla bin is not in /usr/lib
22:47 < n00kie> itit is on /usr/include/mozilla-1.3
22:47 < n00kie> What should i do?
22:47 < tsa> hm...i guess "phoenix" is a /bin/sh script?
22:48 < tsa> probably sets MOZ_FIVE_HOME to the wrong directory
22:49 < n00kie> oh
22:49 < n00kie> hmm
22:49 < n00kie> i have a problem with mozilla
22:49 < n00kie> so i will use phoenix!
22:49 < n00kie> when i wanna type a url in mozilla
22:49 < tsa> (i don't have phoenix here, so i won't be able to verify your problem..)
22:49 < n00kie> it does not reag anymore
22:49 < n00kie> so i must kill mozilla-bin
22:50 < n00kie> Do you know why?
22:50 < tsa> sorry, i don't have any idea..
22:50 < tsa> never used phoenix at all..
22:52 < n00kie> hmm
22:53 < n00kie> so i must use w3m
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23:01 < daja77> re
23:01 < n00kie> re daja77 :)
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23:15 < Freak> reh
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23:15 < daja77> hey Freak
23:15 < daja77> hi tsa
23:16 < tsa> hi daja77
23:17 < tsa> *sigh*
23:17 < daja77> ??
23:17 * tsa downloading..
23:17 < daja77> isdn?
23:17 < tsa> no, dsl.
23:17 < daja77> so do not complain :)
23:17 < tcr> what downloading? Software Wife 7.0?
23:18 < daja77> hehe tcr, still alive?
23:18 < tsa> but when my download speed exceeds ~100k, t-offline thinks i'm unreachable and shuts down my connection.
23:18 < tsa> i hate it.
23:18 < daja77> huh, why that, telekom :(
23:18 < tsa> i have no idea.
23:18 < tcr> you reach 100kbit/s with tonline???
23:18 < tsa> i should probably do all the download stuff at work.
23:19 < tsa> tcr: yes.
23:19 < tfing> hmm, strange, last tsa mail was a bit screwed up
23:19 < tsa> "scrwed up"?
23:19 < daja77> tsa: kick the pink panther in the ass
23:20 < tsa> daja77: i'll do that ;)
23:20 < tfing> it appeared from my own adress !?
23:20 < tcr> Here it's entirely ok
23:20 < tfing> a from field had been added at the top of the mail
23:20 < tfing> i don't know how
23:20 < tsa> strange.
23:21 * daja77 hates to ring up the telekom...
23:21 < tcr> Hrrm.. Local sys luser that calls itself an admin played at the sendmail configuration?
23:21 < daja77> tcr: at your school?
23:22 < tcr> I don't have problems with tsa mail
23:22 < n00kie> i am on installing nvidia drivers
23:22 < n00kie> when i am compiling them
23:22 < n00kie> it says
23:22 < n00kie> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
23:22 < n00kie> What does this mean?
23:23 < tcr> You're trying to patch against a wrong version
23:23 < tsa> did you modify anthing?
23:23 < n00kie> no
23:23 < n00kie> i just wanna install nforce drivers
23:23 < n00kie> but i have installed other nvidia drivers
23:23 < n00kie> for geforce4
23:23 < n00kie> before
23:23 < tcr> Hmm, maybe against the wrong version of linux sources? Or X sources?
23:24 < tsa> jsut a small hint - new nvidia drivers have been released about 2 weeks ago.
23:24 < daja77> tcr: you don't need X for nforce driver
23:24 < tcr> "ok"
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23:24 < tsa_> *arghs*
23:25 < tsa_> i hate it.
23:25 < tsa_> jsut a small hint - new nvidia drivers have been released about 2 weeks ago.
23:25 < tcr> You said that already ;)
23:25 < n00kie> daja77: I know
23:25 < n00kie> But i installed already the x drivers
23:25 < n00kie> now i wanna install nforce drivers
23:25 < daja77> n00kie: I said it to tcr...
23:25 < tsa_> i'm still testing them here, but they look good so far, so you might prefer to get them from nvidia and build them yourself.
23:25 < n00kie> ah
23:25 < tsa_> i'll probably send an update for the package within the next few days..
23:26 < tcr> Hmm.. wasn't there some project on sf that implements a gpled version of nv drivers?
23:26 < tsa_> utah-glx
23:26 < tsa_> ?
23:27 < tsa_> opensource, but slow.
23:27 < tcr> "Our search servers are currently experiencing high load. Please try your search again later."
23:27 < tsa_> utah-glx.sourceforge.net, probably..
23:27 < tcr> Sf is terrible... that's so for the last weeks
23:27 < tsa_> hehe
23:27 < daja77> tcr: hint: they switched to db2...
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23:29 < tcr> Well.. but I've trouble with the search engine for the last couple of weeks... They should get that fixed down now
23:29 < daja77> they have sold their soul to ibm :(
23:29 < tcr> hah.. worse than the evil! ;)
23:31 < tsa> hm..i should not send mail to securityfocus mailing lists.
23:32 * daja77 is pissed by the news, will switch tv off
23:32 * tsa gets mail bounces since hours
23:32 < daja77> why?
23:32 < tsa> ~50 so far
23:32 < daja77> *argh*
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23:33 < tsa> daja77: a mail to the pen-test mailing list from me was approved by the moderator, and now i'm recieving all those out-of-office replies and mail bounces from people too dumb to unsubscribe when going on holiday or leaving the comapny..
23:34 < tsa> (<- slightly annoyed)
23:34 < daja77> fscking idiots
23:34 < tsa> ack.
23:35 < daja77> vacation mails are so damn stupid, only activted by stupid morons deserving to die >:->
23:37 < tsa> ack (again)
23:37 < tsa> i wonder what a mail to bugtraq will do to my poor inbox.. ;)
23:37 < daja77> poor tsa
23:38 < tsa> *G*
23:39 * daja77 is waiting for the idiots at work asking him to do virus scans on that samba server again :(
23:40 < tsa> hehe
23:40 < daja77> they have the same 4 year old virus all the time, bastards
23:41 < tsa> sounds familar...
23:42 < tsa> they use outlook and exchange for their email stuff and wonder about viruses.. *sigh*
23:42 < daja77> the infected files are binaries compiled from their own projects 8---)
23:42 < tsa> oops ;)
23:43 < daja77> yeah, not the usual outlook crap, but this fscking virus from their infected fscing binaries which the install every time from their fscking backups :(
23:43 < tsa> heheeh
23:44 * daja77 likes the idea of shutting the samba server down
23:44 * tsa likes the idea of shutting the marketing guys down.
23:45 < daja77> you that they are the first who'll be shot...
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23:46 < A-Tui> hello friends
23:47 < tsa> hi A-Tui
23:47 < daja77> wb A-Tui
23:47 < A-Tui> how are you tonight?
23:48 < daja77> fine, just ranting with tsa about idiots :)
23:48 < A-Tui> that's good :)
23:48 < daja77> it helps
23:49 < daja77> you are invited to join :)
23:49 < A-Tui> well :)
23:49 < A-Tui> i like it :)
23:49 < daja77> go ahead
23:50 < A-Tui> some hours ago i was in teathre
23:51 < tsa> hm..i should move to hawaii and work at flex.com
23:52 < daja77> tsa: huh?
23:52 < tsa> daja77: bofh ISP there..
23:52 < tsa> they don't do tech support at all.
23:52 < daja77> wise men...
23:53 < tsa> indeed ;)
23:53 < daja77> blindcoder has to do such an evil job
23:53 < tsa> poor boy.
23:55 < esden> re hi all
23:55 < esden> hehe ... I have a pub in the house ... is that cool
23:55 < tsa> hi esden ;)
23:55 < daja77> hey esden nice that you join us
23:55 < esden> I did not know that till now ;-)
23:55 < daja77> :)
23:55 * -> esden feels bit "beschwippst"
23:56 * daja77 too
23:56 < tsa> hehe
23:56 * tsa giggles
23:56 * -> esden giggles too
23:58 * daja77 kicks his table
--- Log closed Mon Apr 14 00:00:12 2003