--- Log opened Mon Apr 21 00:00:15 2003
--- Day changed Mon Apr 21 2003
00:00 < rxr> mostly I *lol*'ed about the broken links any typos ...
00:01 < capchaos> heh
00:02 < A-Tui> how many packs there are in ROCK 1.7 (without KDE)?
00:04 < rxr> A-Tui: arround 650 ...
00:04 < rxr> root:/home/rene/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr# l package/*/*/*.desc | wc -l
00:04 < rxr>     709
00:04 < A-Tui> ok, i have built now 676 :)
00:05 < A-Tui> but there are several pkgs errors :(
00:11 < esden> re hi all
00:11 < A-Tui> hi esden
00:12 < _NULL> wb esden
00:16 < rxr> some notes:
00:16 < rxr> could you point new people to the preleminary 2.0.0 page?
00:16 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html
00:16 < rxr> there is also an errata including DONE and TODO ...
00:16 < rxr> maybe someone has some additins ?
00:21 < _NULL> gcc-2.3.1?
00:25 < _NULL> i thought it was gcc-2.95.3 and gcc-3.2.2?
00:28 < rxr> ah typo thanks
00:29 < rxr> fixed
00:29 < _NULL> k
00:31 < capchaos> rxr, s/wast/waste/, s/archive/achieve/, s/hight/high/  ?
00:31 < capchaos> :)
00:31 < rxr> hehe
00:33 < rxr> fixed thanks
00:33 < rxr> I should always enable xemacs' flyspell-mode  ...
00:36 < n00kie> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html <- Bottom "Night" nut "NIght" :)
00:39 < rxr> ack - fixed
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00:48 < rolla> re
00:48 < rolla> R_chroot.sh: line 2: ./scripts/Build-Pkg: No such file or directory
00:48 < rolla> ./scripts/Create-Links: line 51: ln: command not found
00:48 < rolla> anyone know how to fix that ?
00:59 < rxr> no - sorry
00:59 < ringo78> I get the same error ...
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01:00 < rxr> any build errors at this stage ?
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01:04 < rxr> Wow! My iBook is now running the first ROCK PowerPC ISO ever created ;-)!
01:05 < esden> rxr: CONGRATS!!!
01:05 < Caspar> :)
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01:31 < rxr> fixed vim
01:33 < esden> question: does anyone know a good cd ripping programm?
01:33 < rxr> you mean some integrated GUI app ?
01:35 < esden> for example ... something GOOD ...
01:35 < esden> ;-)
01:35 < esden> there is one for kde 
01:36 < _NULL> god, is this slow...
01:36 < _NULL> 77 B/s
01:37 < _NULL> gn8
01:39 < esden> n8 owl
01:39 < rxr> esden: what are you looking for? some integrated gui app? what should it do? convertion to ogg/vorbis or mp3 ?
01:41 < snyke> n8
01:41 < rxr> n8 snyke
01:52 < capchaos> esden, http://www.geocities.com/ukcave/ripit.html
02:01 < esden> yes rxr 
02:01 < esden> capchaos: thanks ...
02:02 < rxr> start konqueror
02:02 < rxr> as URL "audiocd:/"
02:03 < rxr> drag'n drop wav mp3 or ogg - incl. title information ... ;-)
02:03 < esden> muahaha
02:04 < rxr> hm?
02:11 < capchaos> ogg rules btw :)
02:12 < esden> yes ogg rulez
02:16 < esden> ok ... I now drive back to munich
02:17 < esden> cu l8er
02:18 < rxr> cu esden
02:18 < rxr> ACK capchaos: yes Ogg/Vorbis rulez ,-)
02:18 < capchaos> :)
02:23 < capchaos> !> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/autoheader: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpr ..
02:23 < capchaos> wtf?
02:23 < capchaos> does it need perl6 or what? ;)
02:24 < capchaos> it was == 01:33:06 =[2]=> Building base/gcc2 [2.95.3 1.7-snapshot].
02:25 < n00kie> gcc 2.95 ?
02:25 < n00kie> why not gcc 3.2.x ?
02:25 < capchaos> generic target, i didn't to anything ;)
02:25 < n00kie> ah
02:25 < capchaos> s/to/do/
02:26 < n00kie> alright :)
02:26 < capchaos> yes it uses 3.2.2 to build
02:43 < rxr> cu all
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03:05 < mnemoc> anybody knows how to avoid gcc to abort on warnings when no -Werror is used?
03:10 < capchaos> it aborts on warnings without -Werror ?
03:10 < mnemoc> at least it looks like a warning
03:11 < mnemoc> on 0-mine... when building libtar
03:12 < capchaos> -w suppresses all warnings
03:12 < mnemoc> i message the lines to you
03:12 < mnemoc> is it a warning?
03:14 < capchaos> no it's an error.... wait..
03:22 < A-Tui> 3.3 gb and i have not suficient disk space :(
03:27 < A-Tui> bye bye cu tomorrow
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04:31 < _NULL> hi TrAns13nT
04:33 < TrAns13nT> howdy
04:33 < capchaos> hi transient
04:34 < TrAns13nT> howdy
04:35 < TrAns13nT> happy easter
04:36 < capchaos> dito
04:36 < TrAns13nT> i;ve had better
04:39 < capchaos> better what?
04:43 < TrAns13nT> easters/days, take your pick
04:44 < capchaos> what happened?
04:45 < esden> re hi all
04:46 < capchaos> hi esden
04:46 < capchaos> == 04:18:53 =[5]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.20 1.7-snapshot].
04:51 < _NULL> capchaos: wtf are you doing with your box??
04:51 < _NULL> wb esden
04:52 < capchaos> _NULL, wtf do you mean? ;-)
04:52 < _NULL> capchaos: cuz you're already in stage 5
04:53 < _NULL> or better your build
04:54 < capchaos> _NULL, envious? ;)
04:54 < esden> capchaos: do you have a cray at home?
04:55 < _NULL> capchaos: sure :p
04:55 < capchaos> sure, my granny sorted it out
04:55 < esden> hehe ;-)
04:56 < esden> perhups you are compiling on the world computer ... the japanese have built shortly ;-)
04:56 < capchaos> :()
04:56 < esden> hmm ... it is a vector machine ... so you had to do something really nasty to gcc to get it running on it ;-)
04:56 < capchaos> i dunno... actually only started Build-Target
04:56 < esden> and linux kernel 
04:57 < capchaos> what does a cray cost?
04:58 < TrAns13nT> sorry, was dealiong with somethign in my channel, just been a long day, think I lost a friend cause of some childish thing
04:58 < esden> donno ... a _LOT_
04:58 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, shit happens
04:59 < esden> hmm ... 4 minutes to encode a 100mb wav file sounds ok ;-)
04:59 < TrAns13nT> your tellin me
04:59 < esden> that is about a half an hour music ...
04:59 < capchaos> esden, encode to/from what?
04:59 < esden> encoding to mp3
04:59 < esden> ogg takes longer
05:00 * -> esden needs a vector coprocessor
05:00 < capchaos> yeah, ogg is odd but sounds better somehow
05:00 < esden> that would speed up things 
05:00 < capchaos> heh don't grab to the stars
05:00 < esden> powerbook does have a vector coprocessor
05:00 < capchaos> hmmm i dunno about vector processors..
05:01 < esden> lovely toys ;-)
05:02 < _NULL> <-- sleeping (hopefully)
05:02 < _NULL> gn8
05:02 < esden> n8 owl
05:02 < capchaos> gnu8 nulli
05:02 < _NULL> gn8 esden, capchaos
05:21 < TrAns13nT> sweet z's
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06:46 < esden> if someone of you is searching the most beautifull xmms plugin then try jess
06:48 < capchaos> bah who needs xmms, mpg123 has the most beautiful plugin -> bash *g
06:48 < esden> purist
06:49 < esden> use bb ;-)
06:49 < capchaos> bb?
06:49 < esden> an ascii demo
06:49 < capchaos> *google*
06:49 < esden> it is not a plugin but the most beautifull thing I have ever seen in ascii mode ;-)
06:49 < esden> it is based on aalib
06:50 < esden> and from the same guys
06:51 < esden> ok ... I go to bed
06:51 < esden> good night
06:52 < capchaos> mplayer in aa mode rocks
06:52 < capchaos> sleep well
06:52 < capchaos> esden, vampire :p
06:53 < TrAns13nT> mplayer -vo fbcon rox in a 1280x1024 console
06:54 < mnemoc> can anyone dcc me 0-mine.log? please :-)
06:56 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, ack
06:56 < TrAns13nT> y ack?
06:57 < mnemoc> please :(
06:57 < capchaos> mnemoc, be patient :p
06:57 < mnemoc> =)
06:58 < TrAns13nT> y ack though?
06:59 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, cos mplayer rocks anyways
07:00 < TrAns13nT> mplayer won't start from my flux menu
07:00 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, how comes?
07:00 < TrAns13nT> dun't righly know
07:01 < TrAns13nT> *rightly
07:01 < TrAns13nT> i can run iit from a term, but can't start it from my menu
07:06 < esden> flux?
07:07 < TrAns13nT> fluxbox
07:07 < capchaos> not "flachs" ;-)
07:08 < esden> ahh ok
07:08 * -> esden uses fluxbox ... but I am still on a search for a better window manager ...
07:08 < esden> fast ... small and beautifull ... 
07:09 < TrAns13nT> threre is none better
07:09 < TrAns13nT> and u can have 5 terms in one window with the tabs ;-)
07:09 < capchaos> esden, have you tried Ion ?
07:09 < esden> when I use X then it has to be a overkill on colors ;-)
07:09 < capchaos> or treewm? :)
07:09 < esden> Ion ? o_O
07:09 < esden> treewm? 
07:10 < capchaos> both are very special
07:11 < capchaos> <URL:http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion//>
07:11 < TrAns13nT> special ed ;-)
07:11 < capchaos> <URL:http://treewm.sf.net>
07:11 < capchaos> black-/fluxbox is toooo simple :p
07:12 * mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] : [ dead ]
07:12 < TrAns13nT> fluxbox > blackbox
07:12 < capchaos> yeh
07:12 < capchaos> esden, i would like to add Ion to ROCK ;-)
07:12 < esden> hmm ... it really looks nice the ion
07:12 < esden> have to test it
07:13 < capchaos> it's nice for programming... no overlapping windows
07:13 < capchaos> only problem is gimp looks bad with it's little subwindows
07:14 < capchaos> and Ion does _everythingy_ the keyboard way
07:14 < esden> hmm ... treewm is not looking very nice to me ...
07:14 < esden> it is an ill idea
07:14 < esden> capchaos: so it is a bit like ratpoison?
07:14 < capchaos> why ill?
07:15 < capchaos> esden, yeh Ion is derived from ratpoison
07:15 < esden> ohh
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07:15 < CapCrunch> ;-)
07:15 < capchaos> :P
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07:16 < capchaos> i like to be crunched, to on... :)
07:16 < esden> TrAns13nT: do not crunch too loud ... and please clean up the mess when you are ready ;-)
07:17 < TrAns13nT> nah, thats capchaos's job
07:17 < capchaos> yeh clean me up, i my leftover pieces make a big mes
07:17 < capchaos> s
07:18 < capchaos> you'll have to do it, you've eaten my arms
07:20 * -> esden is asking himself why this channel is getting so red ... 
07:21 < capchaos> well, dark red actually, don't forget the coffee O-o
07:22 < esden> ahh ok
07:23 < esden> ok ... a bit of whisky before sleep
07:23 < capchaos> whisky??!
07:24 < capchaos> Trunkenbold ;)
07:24 < esden> yes whisky ... Glenfiddich Scotch Whisky
07:24 < esden> that is a very good one
07:24 < esden> very tasty
07:25 < capchaos> i'll look out for it when i feel sad..
07:25 < TrAns13nT> wild turkey rare breed
07:26 < TrAns13nT> or just straight everclear
07:26 < esden> ok ... now I can go to bed
07:26 < esden> good night guys
07:26 < TrAns13nT> sweet z's
07:26 < capchaos> sw33t dreams
07:27 < esden> thanks *bow*
08:54 < capchaos> Since we have to speak well of the dead, let's knock them while they're alive.
08:54 < capchaos>                 -- John Sloan
08:54 < capchaos> *argh*
08:55 * capchaos switches back to console again
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09:24 < kasc> moin
09:25 < TrAns13nT> howdy
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09:44 < rxr> re
09:49 < TrAns13nT> howdy
10:03 < rxr> hi TrAns13nT
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12:03 < praenti> moin
12:13 < rxr> hi praenti
12:20 < praenti> rxr: do you have already a solution for the duplicate man-pages of cups and lprng?
12:21 < rxr> erhm - solution yes: rename them - code no, was not on my todo ...
12:22 < rxr> praenti: could you patch the Makefile to install the pages to $name-cups and $name-lprng ?
12:23 < praenti> makefile is the problem. the man-files have already their name i think. i have the same problem with openmotif
12:23 < praenti> there also a man-page which make acollision
12:23 < rxr> sure the file will be lp.5 (or so)
12:24 < rxr> so you patch the makefile to do a
12:24 < praenti> the better would be a postmake function in the conf where the files are renamed but i dont know if this would be aclean solution
12:24 < rxr> install lp.5 $prefix/man/lp-cups.5
12:24 < rxr> or similat (pseudo code)
12:24 < praenti> ahh. ok. you're right. i will have a look at that
12:24 < rxr> praenti: no moves! this can cause problems on an installed ROCK Linux where the file aready exists ...
12:25 < praenti> rxr: yes i know no moves. so i did that with cp and rm
12:25 < praenti> is this also a problem?
12:26 < praenti> cause i need to modify my current running build
12:26 < praenti> ...then...
12:26 < rxr> yes - on an yet installed system with cups only you would remove the cups manpage from lprng ...
12:27 < praenti> hmm. ok. then i will do that now.
12:27 < blindcoder> moin
12:27 < blindcoder> *yawn*
12:32 < ringo78> moin all(e)
12:37 < rxr> praenti: could you poast your patch in a querry when it is finished ?
12:42 < praenti> ok. but this can take some time
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12:43 < wosch> hi
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12:46 < wosch> which mirror already has mine-0.11.tar.bz2?
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13:02 < rxr> hi wo
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13:14 < wosch> re
13:16 < wosch> the current cvs is looking for mine 0.11, the newest i found so far is 0.10  -- where's 0.11?
13:17 < esden> good morning
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13:19 < daja77> hi everybody
13:19 < wosch> moin!
13:19 < daja77> hey wosch
13:20 < esden> moin daja77 
13:20 < daja77> huhu esden, how was easter?
13:21 < esden> it was ok ... I had a lot of time to code ... ;-)
13:21 < daja77> ;)
13:21 * -> esden currently looking in evas
13:21 < daja77> evas?
13:22 < esden> www.enlightenment.org/pages/evas.html
13:24 < daja77> nice :)
13:25 < esden> yes very nice
13:26 < esden> ohh ... there is a etcher documentation ... very nice ! : http://www.cuddletech.com/e17/tutorial/etcher-tutorial.html
13:28 < daja77> there is only one question left, who needs enlightenment...
13:29 < esden> who needs X, who needs shell? this questions are perfectly as valid as yours ...
13:30 < daja77> hmm, ok
13:30 < rxr> jups evas _is_ nice ;-)
13:30 < wosch> everybody needs enlightenment... ommmm! :-)
13:30 < esden> rxr: FULL ACK
13:30 < daja77> wosch: no
13:30 < esden> wosch: no ... that is not what I ment
13:30 < rxr> esden: read the mail from cliff ...
13:31 < esden> ohh
13:31 < esden> on it
13:31 * wosch thinks: Did I forget a smiley there?
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13:32 < esden> rxr: ohh so it is official?
13:32 < esden> nice
13:32 * daja77 checking mail...
13:33 < rxr> esden: seems like cliff is thinking this is official - thus my reply. We should make it official.
13:37 < praenti> rxr: this is not the thing you want? otherwise i create the patch now
13:37 < praenti> lpd.conf.5-lprng
13:38 < esden> rxr: I replyed to dis mail check your mailbox
13:38 < rxr> praenti: hm?
13:39 < praenti> i can also do it this way lpd.conf-lprng.5
13:39 < esden> rxr: but i think first we have to wirte an email to the person that is working on it (/me extra not mentioning the name)
13:39 < rxr> esden: jups - we should do so
13:39 < praenti> or lprng-lpd.conf.5
13:39 < rxr> have you time in some hours to write some lines with me ?
13:39 < praenti> it is your choice
13:40 < rxr> (which will then discussed with cliff)
13:40 < praenti> ok
13:40 < esden> rxr: hmm ... yes I have ... but I think clifford should write the email ... because he is the authority ...
13:40 < rxr> praenti: ah no
13:40 < rxr> praenti: I meant esden ...
13:40 < rxr> praenti: for the name:
13:40 < praenti> ohh. ok
13:41 < rxr> praenti: I would prefer lpd.conf-lprng.5 - this is ok
13:41 < esden> waahhh it is _COLD_ here
13:41 < rxr> esden: sure - but we can provide some lines - so he has s.th. to start with
13:41 * -> esden needs a shower immediatly
13:41 < rxr> esden: much fun1
13:41 < esden> rxr: yes I take a shower and dress then we write something
13:42 < esden> or make a draft ... and I take a look at it
13:42 < esden> I make out some ideas while showering
13:42 * -> esden off to shower 
13:42 < rxr> I meant "in some hours" so I can fix some more ROCK bugs before this (time wasting task) ... ;-)
13:43 < esden> ahh ok ... no problem I am the whole day around ;-)
13:43 < praenti> rxr: btw. about what mail did you talked with esden=
13:43 < praenti> ?
13:44 * -> esden has to work on the gcc problem too ... >_<
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13:56 < _NULL> moin
13:56 < praenti> moin _NULL
13:57 < esden> ok ... now I am alife
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13:57 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
13:57 < praenti> re blindcoder
13:57 < daja77> hi _NULL
13:57 < daja77> hi blindcoder
13:57 < blindcoder> praenti: will you be at "Tanzbar" today?
13:58 < _NULL> hi praenti, blindcoder , daja77
13:59 < esden> "The E Convas Library, allowins hardware rendered canvasing that pulls eye candy back out of Anime films and back ontop of X, where it belongs." *ROFL*
13:59 < esden> very nice description
13:59 < esden> hi owli
14:00 < _NULL> hi esden
14:00 < esden> hi blindcoder 
14:00 < blindcoder> esden: ?
14:00 < blindcoder> esden: what's that?
14:00 < blindcoder> esden: hi btw.
14:01 < esden> that is evas ... a library enlightenment is based on
14:01 < esden> and what I cited is a description what it is ;-)
14:01 < blindcoder> aha... and what does it have to do with Anime?
14:01 < esden> Anime = eye candy
14:01 < blindcoder> yeah... sure... but... haeh?
14:01 < esden> hehe ;-)
14:02 * blindcoder has only had one cup of coffee when he got up two hours ago... please consider this fact when answering
14:02 < esden> yes ok ... 
14:02 < esden> I try once more ...
14:02 < _NULL> *g*
14:02 < blindcoder> thanks :)
14:03 < esden> evas is a drawing library using Imlib2 for drawing ... it knows of canvas (drawing areas) and is fully object oriented (even if it is c ... /*no comment*/) the objects are things that are beeing drawn on the canvas ... it transparently uses hardware acceleration where it is avalable for drawing
14:04 < esden> it has many backends like X11 or GL
14:04 < esden> but others are imaginable
14:04 < blindcoder> okay, got it that far
14:04 < esden> on that library are based other librarys on top of which eterm 9 and enlightenment 17 is built
14:05 < blindcoder> yes. okay.
14:06 < blindcoder> and where is my almost complete (5 missing Episodes) collection of Card Captor Sakura coming in?
14:06 < esden> and the librarys is the amazing part of e17 not e17 itself ... even if it will become pure eye candy (more beautifull color combinations then your brain can stand ;-) one of the most beautifull tortures of the world  )
14:06 * blindcoder simply can't be too sleepy for teasing esden :D
14:07 < praenti> rxr: lprng patch is in query
14:07 < esden> hmm ... nowhere ... they only mean that Anime is so beautifull and colourfull that it should be on the desktop and not only in films ... see lain ;-)
14:07 < blindcoder> okay, there they are right ;)
14:07 < rxr> 3mom
14:07 < esden> and the main developer of e17 (rastaman) is also drawing stuff
14:09 < blindcoder> okay
14:10 < esden>  /join #e
14:10 < esden> ups
14:11 < blindcoder> GAH
14:11 < esden> o_O
14:12 < blindcoder> rene/koffice is running ./configure since 12:42 now again and again
14:12 < blindcoder> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
14:12 < blindcoder> configure: WARNING: invalid host type: $extraconfopt
14:12 < blindcoder> and restarts ./configure
14:13 < daja77> blindcoder: this means it could not determine which system it is building for
14:13 < blindcoder> daja77: yes... but shouldn't it just exit(1) then?
14:13 < blindcoder> daja77: instead o starting over again and again for one and a half hours?
14:13 < blindcoder> == 12:42:26 =[5]=> Building rene/koffice [1.2.1 1.7-snapshot].
14:14 < blindcoder> it's just configuing since then
14:14 < daja77> blindcoder: hmm, yes, normally it aborts, or ignores this fact ...
14:14 < blindcoder> or is this "normal"?
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14:14 < daja77> it was not normal when some of the gnome packages complained about this...
14:15 < kalii> hi
14:15 < daja77> hi kalii
14:15 < blindcoder> hi kalii
14:15 < _NULL> hi kalii
14:21 < rxr> blindcoder: hm - I also saw such an endless loop in a version of xine some moths ago
14:22 < rxr> it might be a bug in our build scripts - I currently have the problem that errors are often not detected - and the package is marked as "ok" when it exited with an error ...
14:22 < blindcoder> it seems to continue building, though
14:22 < rxr> I'll take a look into this tonight (if Cliff is not faster ;-)
14:23 < blindcoder> I can send you the log if you want
14:23 < kalii> what about steal source packages from gentoo? :)
14:23 < kalii> sorry for my english
14:23 < kalii> :)
14:24 < blindcoder> == 04/21/03 14:23:56 =[5]=> Finished building package koffice.
14:24 < blindcoder> hmm
14:24 < daja77> kalii: no, they do not fit into build system
14:26 < esden> once more ... if someone is searching the most beautifull xmms plugin then jess is what you want ;-)
14:26 < blindcoder> esden: hmm... visualisation?
14:26 < esden> yes
14:26 < blindcoder> then I don't need it.
14:26 < esden> :P
14:26 < blindcoder> I rarely switch to my XMMS-Desktop
14:27 < esden> that is why the jess window is floating and sticky ;-)
14:27 < blindcoder> Then I'm bound to move it around and around because it's in my way. I already have problems with floating and sticky licq-windows
14:28 < esden> that is why I run licq not on my main machine but on my laptop ;-)
14:28 < blindcoder> I run everything on my main machine. mainly because I don't have a) network b) a second machine
14:29 < esden> you have the sparcs my friend
14:29 * tfing got rid of his floating icq window with bitlbee
14:29 < esden> and really enough of them
14:31 < blindcoder> esden: yeah. but currently neither network nor will to do much on computers
14:31 < esden> ok ...
14:35 < blindcoder> okay, gotta shower now, clean up the house and go skating then.
14:35 < blindcoder> Maybe i'm at the "Tanzbar" today. not sure now
14:35 < blindcoder> baba
14:38 < esden> have fun blindcoder 
16:14 < rolla> re
16:14 < Mike1> moin all
16:14 < rolla> Mike1: just the man I needed to see
16:15 < rxr> hi Mike1
16:15 < Mike1> hi rolla :)
16:15 < Mike1> hey Ren
16:16 < esden> ahh nice ... uclibc guys have a gcc/uclibc crosscompiler 
16:16 < esden> very nice
16:17 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
16:17 < A-Tui> hi friends
16:17 < esden> hi A-Tui!
16:17 < A-Tui> hola esden
16:19 < _NULL> hi A-Tui
16:19 < A-Tui> hi _NULL
16:19 < A-Tui> how many disk space requires *.gem built?
16:20 < A-Tui> i used a partition of 3.7G only in the system build
16:20 < A-Tui> and now i haven't space for the gem packages
16:29 < praenti> rxr: the patches are working. do you want to submit the patches or should i send them to the list?
16:29 < Mike1> hi praenti.
16:29 < Mike1> saludos Aitor
16:30 < praenti> hi Mike1
16:30 < A-Tui> saludos Miguel :)
16:30 < praenti> saludos = hi?
16:30 < Mike1> praenti: ack.
16:30 < A-Tui> yes praenti
16:30 < Mike1> praenti: but think about it more as cheers :)
16:30 < praenti> ahh. ok. saludos Mike1 and A-Tui
16:30 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7# du -sh rock-src-1.7.tsa/
16:30 < esden> 9.1G    rock-src-1.7.tsa
16:30 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7#
16:30 < A-Tui> saludos praenti :)
16:31 * praenti dont know anything about spanish
16:31 < praenti> till now
16:31 < esden> A-Tui: that is a whole generic build+bootdisks+rocksources
16:31 < Mike1> praenti: you know how to greet now :)
16:31 < A-Tui> pfff i must make magic :(
16:31 < praenti> yes :-)
16:31 < A-Tui> praenti: it's so easy
16:32 < praenti> should be cause i have learned latin at school but i have forgotten most things and words :-(
16:32 < A-Tui> i think i would buy a new disk this evening
16:32 < A-Tui> praenti: i learned latin too, but it's not very similar
16:33 < esden> I use a 30GB disk for rock development nearly exclusively
16:33 < A-Tui> spanish it's more easy
16:33 < praenti> A-Tui: interesting. most people tells me if you can latin you learn languages like spanish and french more easier.
16:33 < A-Tui> esden: i think i have to give me a gift :) A new disk
16:34 < A-Tui> praenti: it could be couse i learned first spanish
16:34 < esden> A-Tui: I am short on diskspace myself ... sorry
16:34 < esden> I always need more disks ...
16:34 < A-Tui> if you are not spanish speaker, perhaps knows latin help you
16:34 < A-Tui> esden: :)
16:35 < A-Tui> i must go out this evening so i will buy a new disk
16:35 < esden> but I think I will buy a 200GB disk soon
16:35 < A-Tui> 200GB? w0w
16:36 < capchaos> and then mkfs.ext2 ;-9
16:36 < A-Tui> :)
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16:36 < capchaos> and hard-reboot
16:37 < esden> capchaos: ?
16:37 < praenti> A-Tui: hmm. perhaps i should try it. the only time latin was a good help was as i tried to understand an italian speaker
16:38 < capchaos> esden, i wonder how long fsck will take on a 200G disk
16:38 < A-Tui> italian and spanish are very very similar in words
16:38 < praenti> hmm. thats interesting
16:38 < A-Tui> praenti: if you try it, and need help, i will be glad to give it you :)
16:38 < esden> capchaos: I do not know either
16:39 * praenti will do a spanish course when he is at the fh again
16:39 < capchaos> spanish rocks
16:39 < A-Tui> fh?
16:39 < praenti> fh is a german school. you can say university of applied science to that
16:39 < A-Tui> ah, ok
16:40 < praenti> school form is better
16:40 * capchaos had a spanish course.. it's not that difficult if you had latin
16:40 < rxr> praenti: *lol* not ack ...
16:41 < praenti> fh is an abbreviation for "Fachhochschule" dont know if such a university form exists in other countries
16:42 < praenti> rxr: ?
16:42 < A-Tui> university form? i don't know that sorry
16:42 < praenti> rxr: this is the translation our fh uses for the international people
16:42 < rxr> ACK I was only commenting the "school form is better" ...
16:42 < praenti> A-Tui: organisation. sorry form was the wrong word
16:43 < praenti> rxr: ok
16:43 < A-Tui> it's a private one?
16:43 < rxr> A-Tui: no
16:44 < A-Tui> aha, i think grades at school are very diferent here
16:44 < capchaos> A-Tui, university of applied sciences is know as "polytechnic" in other languages
16:44 < A-Tui> ahh yes
16:45 < A-Tui> i know that
16:45 < A-Tui> in spanish it's "Escuela Politécnica"
16:45 < praenti> capchaos: thanks. i treid to describe that but i dont find the right one
16:46 < capchaos> praenti, np. have fun learning spanish :p
16:46 < A-Tui> :)
16:46 < capchaos> russian rocks btw too! ;)
16:46 < A-Tui> Spanish is a pretty language
16:46 < praenti> ;-)
16:46 < praenti> capchaos: you learn russian?
16:47 < capchaos> praenti, i grew up with it
16:47 < Mike1> capchaos: teach us some russian.
16:47 < capchaos> Mike1, horoscho, tovarish!
16:47 < A-Tui> yeah, russian sound cool
16:47 < praenti> capchaos: i know only a few people which took this as third language at school
16:48 < Mike1> capchaos: cool, now wtf did you say? :)
16:48 < capchaos> A-Tui, it's similar to spanish in that is sounds like spoken by gangsters *g
16:48 < A-Tui> capchaos: XD
16:48 < Mike1> capchaos: are you a gangsters?
16:48 < Mike1> -s
16:48 < A-Tui> :)
16:48 < praenti> *g*
16:49 < capchaos> Mike1, yeah! *3v1l*
16:49 < Mike1> capchaos: nice :P
16:49 < A-Tui> there are too many dialects from german?
16:49 < capchaos> A-Tui, oh yes ;>
16:50 < capchaos> A-Tui, some germans even don't understand each other..
16:50 < A-Tui> :)
16:50 < praenti> capchaos: btw. what do you mean with "i grew up with it". do you come from east germany?
16:51 < capchaos> praenti, i come from big brother itself
16:51 < A-Tui> :)
16:51 < Mike1> have anyone seen daja77 around today?
16:52 < praenti> A-Tui: yes. the nordish people have a lot of problem with understanding us and also we with them
16:52 * praenti is from bavaria
16:52 < A-Tui> praenti: here it's similar
16:53 < A-Tui> it's very difficult understand southest people
16:53 < Mike1> even in spanish there is this stuff
16:53 < praenti> A-Tui: but the strangest dialect is the from "sachsen" (can anybody translate that)
16:53 < Mike1> you guys could be amazed on how different is A-Tui's spanish from mine
16:53 < praenti> the dialect from
16:53 < A-Tui> praenti: sachen it's from north?
16:53 < praenti> A-Tui: no. this is one of our neighbours ;-)
16:54 < A-Tui> Mike1: yes, f.e. you use s/c/s/ :)
16:54 < Mike1> A-Tui: yeah something like that :)
16:54 < praenti> A-Tui: we have three completly different dialects here in bavaria
16:54 < A-Tui> praenti: bavarian includes Austria?
16:54 < praenti> A-Tui: no
16:54 < A-Tui> ok
16:55 < praenti> even if they speak nearly the same dialect as the bavarians
16:56 < A-Tui> Mike1: people for South America speak a very relax spanish, sound very pretty :)
16:56 < praenti> but we have here "fränkisch". this is around nuremberg.
16:56 < A-Tui> praenti: where are you from exactly?
16:56 < praenti> and "schwäbisch". this is aroung augsburg
16:56 < praenti> A-Tui: Ingolstadt
16:56 < A-Tui> praenti: i had never hear this place :)
16:56 < praenti> A-Tui: Audi?
16:56 < A-Tui> yes
16:56 < A-Tui> :)
16:57 * Mike1 bored
16:57 < praenti> it is in the middle of bavaria.
16:58 < A-Tui> praenti: i imagine where is placed
16:58 < praenti> we have all the three dialects here mixed ;-) but most people speak the bavarian dialect
16:58 < capchaos> Mike1, davai, nemnoschko programirovat!
16:58 < A-Tui> that sound complicated
16:59 < Mike1> capchaos: nah, i will just relax today :)
16:59 < capchaos> Mike1, heh have fun lazy guy ;)
16:59 < A-Tui> Mike1: go to the beach :)
16:59 < Mike1> capchaos: no rock is done by me anymore so..
16:59 < capchaos> :(
16:59 < Mike1> A-Tui: i have to stay in the office.
17:00 < praenti> A-Tui: and Audi (head office is here) is the biggest company here. EADS (flight probing and assembly) is in the neighbourhood
17:00 < A-Tui> Mike1: ops :(
17:00 < A-Tui> praenti: it's a big city?
17:01 < praenti> A-Tui: no. it is the youngest city over 100000 people in bavaria
17:01 < A-Tui> it's small
17:01 < A-Tui> :)
17:01 < A-Tui> i lived in a small city too, it's very peacefull
17:01 < A-Tui> s/lived/live
17:02 < praenti> A-Tui: and with the most pubs per person in germany
17:02 < A-Tui> praenti: that's cool :)
17:03 < A-Tui> pub=bar?
17:03 < praenti> yes
17:03 < A-Tui> here there is a distinction between pub and bar
17:03 < A-Tui> they are not the same thing
17:03 < praenti> only regensburg has more pubs. and only 15000 to 20000 people more as ingolstadt
17:04 < praenti> A-Tui: what is bar and a pub there?
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17:04 < A-Tui> we can say that a pub it's a modern bar for young people
17:05 < praenti> A-Tui: here all the pubs are called "Gaststätte". there is no difference in the word.
17:05 < A-Tui> and the traditional bar are like "cantinas"
17:05 < praenti> A-Tui: this can be a bar or a pub.
17:05 < A-Tui> aha
17:06 < praenti> but most of our inner city pubs are real pubs
17:06 < A-Tui> what time usually have dinner there?
17:07 < praenti> at 7 or 8 pm. but that is very different
17:07 < A-Tui> yes, it's to early
17:07 < praenti> lunch is around 12 pm
17:07 < A-Tui> too
17:07 < praenti> only on weekends lunch is about 1 pm
17:08 < A-Tui> here we live with 2-3 hours of delay :)
17:10 < praenti> A-Tui: i know. we have a what you call bar where the spanish way of eating is done. small meals but as the card says you should eat with a delay of 2-3 hours
17:11 < praenti> most of the meals from spain
17:11 < A-Tui> yes
17:11 < praenti> and with a good wine card
17:11 < A-Tui> yes, wine it's very popular here
17:12 < A-Tui> a good red wine with the lunch it's something mandatory :)
17:13 < praenti> A-Tui: but the funniest thing is that our german physicians says to us that we should eat like the spanish. cause this way of eating is more healthy than that what we do
17:14 < praenti> but this is life ;-)
17:14 < A-Tui> :)
17:14 < A-Tui> well, food here it's very heavy
17:14 < A-Tui> we eat too much
17:15 < praenti> ;-) this is general european problem i think
17:15 < A-Tui> yeah, food it's great!
17:17 < praenti> perhaps i should do a holiday in spain. but i dont like the areas where all of the tourist are
17:17 < A-Tui> mmm it depends what you are looking
17:17 < A-Tui> if you want typical spanish postcards, then go to the south, or to the coast
17:18 < A-Tui> but if you want real typical spanish, with spanish traditions, go here :)
17:18 < praenti> ok. this is more what i want
17:19 < A-Tui> ok, i live in a very small region, so here we are a bit provincials
17:20 < praenti> what i want on a holidays is to know the traditions the people and how they are living. and not what most german tourists want the sun on the beach
17:20 < A-Tui> praenti: great, then don't go to the typical "Ibiza" or "Marbella"
17:21 < praenti> A-Tui: i know that. although i live in a city it is more like a village here. it has a real provincial touch here
17:21 < A-Tui> f.e. my city it's a very cold one, here Spanish's sun it's not true
17:22 < praenti> A-Tui: so best time in august or september?
17:22 < A-Tui> august it's the hotest
17:22 < praenti> how much?
17:22 < A-Tui> in semptember, colds return again
17:22 < A-Tui> mmmm 24 ºC
17:23 < Mike1> A-Tui: you call 24 ºC hot???
17:23 * Mike1 laughts...
17:23 < A-Tui> Mike1: :)
17:23 * praenti laugts too
17:23 < A-Tui> Mike1: i don't like hot :)
17:23 < A-Tui> i like cold
17:24 < A-Tui> to me more than 18 ºC it's cold
17:24 < praenti> we have here somtimes 35 °C with very much humidity
17:24 < praenti> this is hot
17:24 < A-Tui> s/cold/hot
17:24 * Mike1 imagines A-Tui in the pacific coast of cr 38 ºC
17:24 < A-Tui> Mike1: i would dead there!
17:25 < Mike1> A-Tui: me too, thats why i never go :)
17:25 < A-Tui> Mike1: :)
17:25 < praenti> i was in Rome a few years ago and we had there about 40 °C one day. but this felt more comfortable than the 35 °C here
17:26 < Mike1> praenti: perhaps it was windy
17:26 < praenti> Mike1: no but dry
17:26 < A-Tui> pacific coast, i imagined that, but german ... i thought that have a cold weather
17:26 < Mike1> ah thats why
17:28 < praenti> A-Tui: thats the problem. we get here mediterranean air from south over the alps. but the humidity accumulates because of the alps
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17:28 < A-Tui> praenti: i see
17:28 < praenti> A-Tui: So whe have here in summer nearly all two days a thunderstorm
17:29 < Spicerun> hello
17:29 < A-Tui> here too, thunderstorm in summer are common
17:29 < praenti> A-Tui: but you are right if we have a week rain. than we have temperatures about 18 °C in july and august
17:29 < A-Tui> i like it :) they are very fresh
17:30 < A-Tui> in winter, what temperatures you should reach?
17:30 < praenti> yes. the suprise was i think two years ago. we had a thunderstorm here and the temp falled from humid 39 °C to i thin 15 °C in about an hour
17:31 < praenti> s/thin/think
17:31 < A-Tui> yes, that's a big fallen
17:31 < Spicerun> Hi, can someone tell me when the last update of Rock Linux was, and if there are any problems with a SMP system?  Thanks.
17:32 < Mike1> Spicerun: no SMP problems here, updates.. well CVS is constantly updated every hour or so..
17:32 < praenti> after that we had two days a summer gale. on the north i think it was a more bigger gale called "lothar".
17:33 < A-Tui> praenti: then weather it's agited there
17:33 < Spicerun> Mike1:  Thanks.  When you say CVS is updated, do you mean that new versions of the various packages are put into CVS as they become available?
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17:34 < demian> hi
17:34 < A-Tui> hi demian
17:34 < Mike1> Spicerun: well several fixes are done, but maybe you are looking for an iso, in which case you will want to check out iso.rocklinux.de
17:35 < Mike1> hi demian
17:35 < Spicerun> The reason I am asking is because I am looking for a Red Hat replacement on my main system here, and I'm trying to decide which distro to try.  I want a distro that is almost bleeding edge (I'm not afraid of compiling and configuring)....
17:35 < praenti> A-Tui: yes. the best thing was two weeks ago. we had temps about 5 °C and some snow falled. and last week temps about 20 to 25 °C
17:36 < demian> hi praenti , Mike1 , A-Tui
17:36 < A-Tui> praenti: in winter used to snow, true?
17:37 < praenti> A-Tui: and because of that a cold has an easy game
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17:37 < Mike1> demian: when are we going to buy the stuff for your "home" network?
17:37 < A-Tui> easy game?
17:37 < praenti> A-Tui: not all winters. this winter we had here 2 weeks snow. but the winter a year ago only a few days
17:37 < demian> havent talked with guys yet if they have the money
17:38 < demian> btw, could u get me the price for realtek "cheap" NICs ?
17:38 < A-Tui> praenti: then similar here, this winter was a very cold one
17:39 < demian> Mike1: have u tried hurd ? i like the way how they work with the kernel.. ill try to get it and try it
17:39 < praenti> A-Tui: you only need to forget your jacket or your sweater and you are ill the next days :-(
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17:39 < A-Tui> praenti: i see
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17:39 < demian> brb
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17:40 < praenti> A-Tui: ingolstadt is too low for getting bigger snow falls. a little bit more south from munich they get a lot of snow
17:40 < A-Tui> here used to snow all winters, and a lot of frozen
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17:41 < demian> re
17:42 < praenti> A-Tui: here also a lot of frozen. and in spring a very soft ground (dont know how i should call that)
17:42 < A-Tui> mmm i don't know too, but i understand you
17:42 < praenti> cool. e17 compiled ;-)))
17:43 < demian> which imlib2 version was in compiled with ?
17:43 < demian> @ praenti
17:44 < A-Tui> well, guys i'm going to buy, cu later!
17:44 < praenti> Mike1: btw. should i come over in septembre
17:44 < praenti> cu A-Tui
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17:45 < Mike1> praenti: yes sure
17:45 < Mike1> praenti: rxr will be around in august maybe you want to try to arrive in august?
17:45 < Mike1> praenti: is your trip sure?
17:47 < Mike1> praenti: september its low season so prices to go anywhere will be very afortable, and weather wil be nice.
17:47 < praenti> Mike1: could get a little bit difficult. i have a job till end of august. perhaps i can the last week of august
17:47 < Mike1> praenti: no worries september will be fine as well.
17:47 < demian> gonna have a fast sight at rock devels gallery.. time without see it
17:49 < Mike1> demian: looking for your pic? :)
17:49 < demian> i found 5 new guys.. :))
17:49 < demian> wtf :p
17:50 < demian> miguel, so could u get the price for those realtek NICs ? my distributor dunt play with that NICs, only dlink, cnet and powernet
17:50 < Mike1> demian: i got a pricelist right here mom
17:52 < Mike1> demian: found an encore for $7
17:52 < Mike1> demian: also a switch for $29.50
17:52 < Mike1> demian: you can get a nice us robotics for NIC for $19
17:52 < demian> I.V.I ?
17:53 < praenti> ok. i must leave now
17:53 < praenti> i have to plan a linux day here in our city
17:53 < Mike1> praenti: ok, we will kepp touch aight?
17:53 < jhidalgo> demian: realtek for $3 @umc !
17:53 < Mike1> demian: no + ivi
17:53 < Mike1> -i
17:54 < Mike1> jhidalgo: nice.
17:54 < demian> jhidalgo: :))
17:54 < jhidalgo> yep, but I don't have the phone!, call 113 and ask about umc in san pedro!
17:55 < demian> ok.
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17:57 < Mike1> capy you killed jhidalgo!?!
17:57 < rolla> ./scripts/Create-Links: line 51: ln: command not found
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18:05 < Mike1> wb jhidalgo
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18:10 * Mike1 listening to limp bizkit - n00kie :)
18:10 < demian> hi n00kie
18:12 < n00kie> Holla Mike1 and demian :)
18:12 < Mike1> hola n00kie
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18:25 < naimed> cya
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18:30 < snyke> esden?
18:30 < snyke> locate esden
18:30 < snyke> ping esden
18:31 < daja77> re
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18:31 < Mike1> hallo snyke :)
18:32 < snyke> hallo :)
18:32 < Mike1> Wie gehts?
18:33 < n00kie> Mike1: Como es usted?
18:33 < daja77> hey n00kie
18:33 < Mike1> n00kie: estoy muy bien gracias y usted?
18:33 < esden> snyke: ?
18:33 < n00kie> hiho daja77 :)
18:33 < n00kie> Mike1: I guess, you ask me too :), i'm fine too
18:34 < snyke> esden!
18:34 < snyke> query
18:34 < Mike1> n00kie: yeah :)
18:35 < daja77> hey Mike1
18:36 < Mike1> daja77: finally here
18:36 < snyke> eeeeeeeeee~eeesden
18:36 < snyke> *wines*
18:36 < daja77> Mike1: define finally
18:37 < daja77> snyke: grab this handkerchief from me
18:37 < Mike1> daja77: /me was waiting for daja77
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18:37 < daja77> Mike1: why?
18:37 -!- jose is now known as jhidalgo
18:37 < Mike1> daja77: was wondering on rtai :)
18:37 * jhidalgo will get in and out until he is OP of this channel!
18:38 < daja77> Mike1: it rests at work :)
18:38 < daja77> jhidalgo: go on with drinking and leave us alone
18:38 < snyke> daja77: thank you!
18:38 < daja77> snyke: np
18:39 * daja77 was on vacation
18:39 < n00kie> Mike1: Hehe, I'm still learning spanish
18:39 < n00kie> Wanna be as good as you :)
18:39 < daja77> n00kie: at school?
18:39 < Mike1> n00kie: hehe :)
18:40 < jhidalgo> ups, /me was joking!
18:41 < daja77> jhidalgo: :)
18:41 < Mike1> daja77, jhidalgo damn drunks!
18:41 < Mike1> :)
18:41 < n00kie> daja77: No, at home, just for fun :)
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18:44 < daja77> Mike1: how was hacking over easter?
18:45 < Mike1> daja77: i have not done any hacking in 7 days
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18:46 < rolla> re
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18:46 * jhidalgo didn't get drunk since friday! 
18:47 < Mike1> jhidalgo: in 48 hours i will have 2 days of not drinking.
18:48 < Mike1> daja77: how was ur hacking?
18:48 < Mike1> wb rolla :)
18:49 < daja77> Mike1: I was on vacation, no computers, no hacking, no internet, and it was fun
18:49 < daja77> re rolla :)
18:49 < jhidalgo> Mike1: that deserves to feast!, let's go to amargura street today!
18:49 < daja77> Mike1: how come, you told me about hacking over easter
18:49 < Mike1> jhidalgo: you are evil! getting on monday..
18:50 < Mike1> daja77: last time we spoke about hacking was on tuesday, i took the stuff for hacking at home but didn't do anything
18:50 < Mike1> jhidalgo: getting drunk on monday is evil
18:50 < daja77> Mike1: had you some fun at least
18:51 < Mike1> daja77: sleeped like crazy, and spend time with Rebeca on the weekend
18:52 < daja77> Mike1: sleep can be healthy
18:52 < Mike1> daja77: sure for mortals like me.
18:52 < jhidalgo> Mike1 ^ daja77: what u call hacking ?, reaserch ?, or really hack servers ?
18:52 < Mike1> jhidalgo: coding.
18:52 < daja77> Mike1: do we really had our last talk on tuesday?
18:53 < Mike1> daja77: tuesday or wednesday don't remeber
18:53 < daja77> the time went by so fast...
18:53 < Mike1> daja77: sure, you have got really old in this days ... :PP
18:54 < daja77> hehe, and you not of course, sleeper :P
18:55 < Mike1> :))
18:56 < Mike1> jhidalgo: hacking means a lot more than security stuff.
18:57 < daja77> yeah sometimes it means to produce as much crap code as you can
18:58 < jhidalgo> that's what I call research!
18:58 < daja77> hehe, yes sometimes this called research btdt
18:59 < daja77> sometimes this is called producing high quality commercial software
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19:04 < daja77> hey capchaos, wb
19:04 < capchaos> hey daja
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19:11 < jhidalgo> what is that `dotmatrix lc display' output ?, in the instalation process ?
19:14 < tfing> if u have an external lcd display
19:15 < tfing> it can display information about the process
19:17 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
19:18 < _NULL> wb blindy
19:18 < blindcoder> re nully
19:24 < Mike1> _PING_ rolla
19:33 < _NULL> don't be so impatient, Mike1
19:34 < Mike1> mind your own business.
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19:46 < dzafez> hi
19:50 < jhidalgo> I need a list with rock mirrors!
19:51 < dzafez> I know I asked this before, but maybe someone can tell me now
19:51 < dzafez> I need a smal console ROCK .iso to be used to build my own ROCK
19:52 < dzafez> I don't want to install a full system with X ... just for compiling
19:52 < dzafez> other Distributions seem to be not up to date (devfs...)
19:53 < Mike1> jhidalgo: http://www.rocklinux.org/mirrors.html
19:53 < dzafez> Why isn't there a compiling subdistribution?
19:55 < Mike1> dzafez: you can easily do a manual small system to build
19:56 < dzafez> from what?
19:56 < Mike1> just remove everything you don't want / need from package/* in the source
19:56 < Mike1> then build it
19:56 < dzafez> I need some sysem to build it on
19:56 < Mike1> mm...
19:56 < Mike1> i could build such small system for you but would take 1 or 2 days
19:57 < jhidalgo> Mike1: how do a give mirrors to the scripts/Check ?
19:57 < Mike1> jhidalgo:  i don't understand your question
19:57 < dzafez> Well, I think there will be many people having this kind of problem in the future
19:58 < Mike1> dzafez: i'm no longer contributing actively to rock linux, but perhaps i can make some kind of target for this porpouse
19:59 < dzafez> Mike1: That would be great. I think the core developers would find some free place on the server for this
20:00 < dzafez> Elseway I would make it available
20:00 < dzafez> but I have to find something to begin with
20:01 < Mike1> dzafez: i can do it create the target today, and the build should take some 24 or so hours
20:02 < Mike1> i would have to send a patch and see if the target gets accepted but anyways i will let you have the iso first iso of this.
20:02 < Mike1> no matter if it is accepted or not.
20:02 < dzafez> does it really take 1 or two days to make a such a small .iso? *NotPushingJustCurious*
20:03 < Mike1> dzafez: the build process takes sometime, and i am my box here is corrently a bit overloaded so it will take up to 24 hours
20:03 < Mike1> if we are lucky it can be less.
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21:54 < rxr> re
21:54 < daja77> re rxr
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22:19 < Mike1> re
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22:21 < kasc> moin
22:22 < daja77> moin kasc
22:22 < kasc> na, war der Osterhase auch schön fleißig? *g*
22:22 < daja77> depends
22:23 < kasc> sounds like a 'no'
22:24 < daja77> no, I'm quite happy with it
22:24 < kasc> why then 'depends'?
22:25 < daja77> well it isn't that I got a lot of presents as your question indicates, I got holiday, this was very nice
22:26 < kasc> hehe
22:27 < daja77> holidays paid by my parents *g*
22:36 < rolla> yeah I am going to get a 40G drive for that machine to do rock builds on it
22:36 < daja77> rolla: great
22:37 < rolla> yup
22:37 < rolla> I got a amd K6-2 700 for free
22:37 < rolla>                rock builds on it
22:37 < daja77> rolla: so you need 4 days for building...
22:37 < rolla> true
22:37 < rolla> but it is a spare machine
22:38 < rolla> does not tie up my main server :)
22:38 < daja77> hehe ;)
22:39 < rolla> daja77: but it had more ram than my PIIII
22:39 < rxr> how about this during ROCK Linux startup:
22:39 < rxr> Autodetecting kernel modules ...
22:39 < rxr> Device "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 PCI Audio Accelerator"
22:39 < rxr>   snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-oss snd-mixer-oss
22:39 < rxr> Device "IC Ensemble Inc ICE1712 [Envy24]"
22:39 < rxr>   snd-ice1712 snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-oss snd-mixer-oss
22:39 < rxr> Device "Trident Microsystems 4DWave NX"
22:39 < rxr>   snd-trident snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-oss snd-mixer-oss
22:39 < rxr> Device "Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture"
22:39 < rxr>   bttv
22:39 < rolla> I ment PIII
22:39 < rxr> Device "Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture"
22:39 < daja77> rxr: ??
22:39 < rxr> dynamic hwarware auto detection ;-)
22:40 < daja77> cool, so kiosk target is on the way?
22:40 < rxr> no I'm not at the live target ...
22:41 < rxr> but we need auto detection for the normal targets, too (IMHO)
22:41 < daja77> ack
22:41 < rxr> currently you can do the auto detection in the stone script
22:41 < rxr> but I'm just adding code to do this dynamically on each boot (I do not like static state data ...)
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22:41 < A-Tui> hi
22:42 < rxr> imagine harware changes - and it is also easier to use ...
22:44 < daja77> and it sucks sometimes (experience from kudzu)
22:47 < rxr> daja77: ACK
22:47 < rxr> this is why we go the keep it simple route ...
22:47 < rxr> and I commented against kadzu on the ML ...
22:48 < rxr> daja77: our hardware detectin is pretty simple - maybe this makes it work nicer ;-)
22:48 < daja77> I'd appreciate it very much
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22:54 < jose> clifford.homedns.org is responding ?
22:54 -!- jose is now known as jhidalgo
22:56 < rxr> jhidalgo: yes
23:03 < jhidalgo> then is my motherf.... isa server buging me!
23:09 < rxr> jhidalgo: jm ?
23:09 < rxr> err hm ?!? ;-)
23:10 < Mike1> :))
23:10 < esden> argh ... I need a faster machine !!!!!
23:11 < daja77> esden: we all need one ;)
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23:13 < rxr> daja77: no - I need at least two ;-)
23:14 < daja77> rxr: ok I should have better said, at least one...
23:14 < esden> why the heck is the bootdisk target building glibc with localisation in stage 5?
23:14 < esden> can anyone give me a reason for that?
23:19 < esden> hmm clifford.homedns.org is not responding here ...
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23:25 < rxr> root:/home/rene/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr# ping clifford.homedns.org
23:25 < rxr> PING clifford.homedns.org (62.46.0.51): 56 octets data
23:25 < rxr> 64 octets from 62.46.0.51: icmp_seq=0 ttl=244 time=70.8 ms
23:25 < rxr> esden: no idea about gcc ...
23:27 < esden> I said glibc not gcc ;-)
23:30 < daja77> gn8 you all
23:30 < Mike1> n8 daja77
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23:33 < jhidalgo> rxr: sorry!, where you asking me something ?
23:34 < rxr> jhidalgo: only why you have probs with the server ... - works here
23:35 < Mike1> [mike@nemesis mike]$ ping clifford.homedns.org
23:35 < Mike1> PING clifford.homedns.org (62.46.0.51) from 10.1.1.23 : 56(84) bytes of data.
23:35 < Mike1> 64 bytes from M082P019.dipool.highway.telekom.at (62.46.0.51): icmp_seq=1 ttl=235 time=2282 ms
23:36 < Mike1> rxr, jhidalgo it works here too, and i am also in CR, so i guess its LAN problem or so.
23:36 < jhidalgo> Mike1: yes it is!, i said so!, is my isa server!, hey if somebody is using bitchx like me: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/7333
23:37 < Mike1> jhidalgo: hehe remove that damn isa..
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23:45 < jhidalgo> Mike1: i can't, thats company policy!
23:46 < jhidalgo> as a matter of fact, if they need to choose between /me and the isa, ... the isa stays! ;(
23:46 < Mike1> jhidalgo: become sysadmin and show then you can make something better
23:47 < jhidalgo> sysadmin...., i can't say that i don't like that, but I prefer to be the PM :P
23:48 < Mike1> :P
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23:58 < A-Tui> re
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