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--- Log opened Sun Apr 27 00:00:12 2003 --- Day changed Sun Apr 27 2003 00:01 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-162-119.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("provider") 00:22 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:22 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD95251B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 00:22 < A-Tui> hi 00:22 < daja77> hey A-Tui 00:22 < _NULL_> hi A-Tui 00:22 < A-Tui> hi _NULL_ daja77 00:38 < daja77> A-Tui: what's up? 00:39 < A-Tui> i'm testing mocka 00:39 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D3FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:40 < daja77> mocka? 00:40 < A-Tui> a m2 compiler 00:40 < daja77> m2? 00:40 < A-Tui> but i think that don't support all features of m2 00:40 < A-Tui> m2 == modula-2 00:40 < daja77> I fear it 00:40 < daja77> feared 00:41 < daja77> wtf modula 00:42 < A-Tui> but mocka don't understand EXPORT label 00:42 < daja77> *argh* I hate modula 00:43 < A-Tui> me too 00:44 < daja77> I needed one day to do a simple program in modula which takes minutes in almost every language, cos modula is so crappy 00:44 < A-Tui> yes, that's true 00:45 < A-Tui> i'm too slow in m2 too 00:46 < daja77> those extra rules for writing a big or little letter in the beginning gives you the creeps 00:46 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090911D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:47 < kasc> re 00:47 < daja77> re kasc 00:47 < A-Tui> re kasc 00:48 < kasc> looks like the new kernel is running now 00:48 < kasc> too bad my cam isnt supported anymore 00:49 < daja77> :( 00:51 < _NULL_> hi kasc 00:51 < kasc> but i found the mails mutt kept eating... 00:52 < kasc> in my /var/spool/postfix/corrupt folder... 00:52 < kasc> hi _NULL_ 00:59 < kasc> oh, my fonts seem to be broken, too... 01:00 < kasc> äöüß <-- look quite funny now 01:00 < daja77> looking ok here 01:04 < tsa> kasc: use sendmail, then ;) 01:04 < kasc> tsa: pine seems to like postfix 01:04 < kasc> and i like both. pine and postfix 01:05 < daja77> pain *g* 01:05 < kasc> and that although i had a working sendmail.cf and not a trivial one ;) 01:06 < tsa> i prefer mutt to pine.. 01:06 < tsa> and i know how to use sendmail, but not postfix 01:07 < kasc> i know its much more powerfull but i was too lazy to dig through all those howtos for mutt 01:07 < kasc> the documentation shipped with mutt is far too small 01:08 < tsa> hm..my mutt is working perfectly.. 01:08 < kasc> didnt get gpg to fetch keys from a keyserver and outgoing mails seem to get crippled somehow 01:09 < tsa> $ grep ^keyserver .gnupg/options 01:09 < tsa> keyserver blackhole.pca.dfn.de 01:10 < kasc> your muttrc would be more helpful ;) 01:10 < kasc> especially all lines that begin with set 01:12 < tsa> https://www.jaenicke.org/muttrc 01:14 < daja77> gn8 everyone 01:14 < kasc> thx 01:14 < kasc> gn8 daja77 01:15 < _NULL_> gn8 daja77 01:17 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-074-243.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("having fun somewhere else, cu") 01:36 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:37 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:05 -!- mnemoc [~mnemoc@200.75.27.13] has joined #rocklinux 02:09 < rxr> re 02:09 < tsa> hi senaxl 02:10 < tsa> rxr.. 02:10 < senaxl> Huhu :) 02:10 < tsa> sigh...damn tab-completion 02:10 < mnemoc> hi 02:10 < tsa> rxr: i sent a patch for libbonobouimm14 to the list.. 02:10 < tsa> just a problem with the build order.. 02:11 < mnemoc> rxr: i get an error checking out from svn :( 02:11 < rxr> tsa: I already fixed this today (see svn) - but then we get shared files with gnomemm 02:11 < rxr> I'm just taking a look 02:11 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - what error ? 02:11 * mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] [gone:1day 20hrs 28mins 22secs] : [ dead ] 02:11 < tsa> tcltk is a shared file problem, too 02:12 * mnemoc is back [gone:1day 20hrs 28mins 51secs] : [ back ] 02:12 < mnemoc> w8 02:12 < mnemoc> a read error 02:13 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@M106P027.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 02:14 < mnemoc> i'm doing it again now to paste you the exact file 02:16 * Caspar_ wonders if portmap is needed to mount a nfs share ... 02:17 < tsa> on the server, yes. 02:17 < mnemoc> rpc 02:17 < tsa> on the client, no. 02:17 < Caspar_> no on the client ... 02:18 < Caspar_> i just tried to create an netboot linuxrc and wanted to mount a nfs share :( it doesn't work ... 02:19 < tsa> try "showmount -e servername" on the client 02:19 < Caspar_> i'ts really difficult to do error searching when linux is not running already :( 02:20 < Caspar_> i 've no shell yet ... its the linuxrc program ... 02:20 < Caspar_> it says - can't mount /mnt_source: invalid argument ... 02:21 < Caspar_> if ( mount("192.168.17.111/rock","/mnt_source","nfs",MS_RDONLY,NULL)) 02:21 < Caspar_> { perror("Can't mount /mnt_source"); exit_linuxrc=0; } 02:22 < Caspar_> export exists - can be mounted by another client - /mnt_source exists ... 02:22 < Caspar_> nfs has been comiled into the kernel ... 02:22 < Caspar_> :_( 02:24 < tsa> can you mount /mnt_source frmo another host? 02:24 < mnemoc> rxr: syn_io_file_open: can't open '/usr/src/rock2/rock-trunk/package/rene/edb/.svn/tmp/text-base/con.patch-manual.svn-base' 02:25 < mnemoc> 'could not checkout a file' is the first message 02:26 < rxr> mnemoc: I have to try here mom 02:28 < rxr> tsa: still here ? 02:28 < tsa> yes 02:29 < rxr> gnomemm-all already includes this: 02:29 < rxr> gconfmm libbonobomm libbonobouimm libglademm libgnomecanvasmm libgnomemm libgnomeuimm 02:29 < rxr> so our libbonobo* stuff should not be needed ... 02:29 < tsa> hm...i see 02:29 < rxr> should I remove them - or should I add all the gnomemm-all included packages as single packages to ROCK ? 02:30 < tsa> i'd suggest to remove the single packages...less packages mean less work to the maintainer... 02:30 < tsa> better keep -all, then.. 02:31 < rxr> but single packages might behave nicer when you debug a build error ... 02:31 < rxr> but ok I'll try without the bonobo* packages 02:33 < rxr> tsa: what do you think about the kernel issue - should be try to ship the -rc releases or should we wait even longer for a final? 02:33 < rxr> the problem that with the current 2.4 policy it takes ages for imporant fixes/security/updates to be available as final ... 02:34 < tsa> -rc should be ok.. 02:35 < rxr> ok - I think so, too. This is why I updated it some days ago .. 02:35 < rxr> we need to track security issues more closely - we had linux* packages with the local-root explot available for too long 02:36 < rxr> I know of a ROCK system at university where someone used it already ... 02:36 < tsa> oops ;) 02:37 < rxr> I like svn: 02:37 < rxr> svn delete libbonobo*mm* 02:37 < rxr> ;-) 02:37 < mnemoc> are you sync'ing with clifford's changes? 02:38 < Caspar_> tsa: i just tried to mount from my testclient - booted from an old drock system on disk - worked - BUT it seems to need portmap - if i dont start portmap the mount command "hangs" 02:38 < tsa> hm...strange 02:40 < rxr> mnemoc: Checked out revision 9. 02:40 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 02:40 < rxr> mnemoc: what cml are you exactly using? 02:40 < rxr> how did you compile svn ? 02:40 < mnemoc> tortoisesvn ;) 02:40 < rxr> mnemoc: sure I always sync with cliff 02:40 < rxr> tortoisesvn? what is that? 02:40 < mnemoc> windows crap :( 02:41 < rxr> you try to checkout rock-linux on a windows box ? 02:42 < mnemoc> mmm... i wanted to test it :( 02:43 < mnemoc> can i build cmdline tools without apache? 02:43 < mnemoc> my test-box is not enought for that :| 02:44 < rxr> yes - the Apche Portable Runtime is included in subversion - and is automatically build within subversion when non external is provided. 02:44 < rxr> mnemoc: have you tried to checkout e.g. subversions source-code with your windows client tool = 02:44 < rxr> ? 02:44 < mnemoc> yep... 02:44 < mnemoc> works fine 02:45 < rxr> hm 02:46 < mnemoc> to build it.. just neon+subversion then? 02:48 < rxr> mnemoc: jups I think so 02:49 < Caspar_> is there any tool outside which fetchs a file from an tftp server an writes it to stdout ? the tftp tool only creates a file ... 02:49 < rxr> curl 02:51 < Caspar_> curl tftp://192.168.17.111/tftpboot/config/menu.lst 02:51 < Caspar_> curl: (1) Unsupported protocol: tftp 02:52 < Caspar_> rocklinux 1.7 system 02:53 < rxr> oh tftp. hm ... 02:55 < tsa> install utftp 02:56 < tsa> specify "-" as output file, should work 02:56 < Caspar_> where can i get utftp ? 02:56 < Caspar_> it isn't included in the CVS packages - is it ? 02:56 < tsa> https://www.ohse.de/uwe/software/utftpd.html 02:58 * tsa going to sleep now.. 02:58 < tsa> cu tomorrow.. 02:58 < senaxl> nite.. 02:58 < rxr> cu tsa 02:58 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9588FF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 03:07 -!- Caspar [~steven261@M106P027.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:07 < rxr> Revision 11: /rock-trunk 03:07 < rxr> sync with cliff - much fun 03:08 < mnemoc> are you happy with your new toy? ;) 03:08 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:09 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:25 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@M106P027.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:26 < mnemoc> rxr: a weird thing... if i checkout https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/ it fails 03:26 < mnemoc> with that error 03:27 < mnemoc> bu if a checkout https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk works fine 03:28 < mnemoc> until now... it hasn't ended yet 03:34 < rxr> "rock-linux/rock-trunk" is the correct URL ... 03:40 < rxr> ah! - How I like svn: 03:40 < rxr> svn add *mm* 03:40 < rxr> *g* 03:40 < rxr> mnemoc: your checkout is still running = 03:41 < mnemoc> :( 03:41 < mnemoc> i'm faaaar away ;) 03:42 < mnemoc> using rock-trunk started in another order... i haven reached package/rene yet 03:42 < rxr> ah - and the server only has a 256 kBit/s upstream ... 03:42 < mnemoc> and that was the first package/* i got using rock-linux 03:43 < mnemoc> is it at your home? 03:43 < rxr> this is only a "first test" server - when svn shows up to work well - it will be moved to my primary (non-home) server having 155MBit/s ... 03:43 < rxr> jups at home - DSL line ... 03:44 < rxr> the dabase is on a RAID5 volume ... 03:44 < rxr> s/dabase/database/ ... 03:45 < mnemoc> well... i took 5 hours building 1-linux24 :( 03:46 < mnemoc> i love that box 03:46 < rxr> oh :-( 03:46 < rxr> gcc-33 will be faster ;-) 03:46 < mnemoc> ? why? 03:47 < rxr> aside from many cleanups in the optimizer stages they also improved the garbage-collector (used internally in gcc) and made it adapt to the free system memory instead of using 4MB hardcoded 03:48 < rxr> this all results in quite impressive speedups 03:48 < rxr> *g* 03:48 < mnemoc> :-) when will be released? 03:48 < rxr> althought I do not now why thes made such a strange GC ... 03:49 < rxr> in the next weeks (Mark Mitchel tells us for some weeks now ...) ;-) 03:49 < rxr> Mitchell in fact 03:49 < mnemoc> i guess rock-2.0 will wait for it ;) 03:50 < rxr> I have not yet made a decission 03:50 < rxr> it will be binary compatible - so this shouldn't be much of a problem 03:50 < mnemoc> and about bdb4{,0}? 03:51 < rxr> I prefer bdb4 ... 03:51 < mnemoc> :( 03:51 < rxr> why do you prefer bdb40 ? 03:52 < mnemoc> just what i said about lib/header versioning 03:52 < mnemoc> a feeling 03:54 < mnemoc> libdb4.so (4.0) vs libdb-4.so (4.1) for example 03:54 < rxr> which name are you using on the rock list ? 03:54 < mnemoc> name? mine :) Alejandro Mery 03:55 < rxr> ah 03:55 < rxr> oki but your irc client says: 03:55 < rxr> Mnemoc Von Machali 03:55 < rxr> ... 03:56 < mnemoc> some irc client for hidden and public work :( 03:56 < mnemoc> Mnemoc <-- nick, machali <-- my village at chile 03:56 < rxr> ah 03:57 < mnemoc> then... i'm that pain-in-the-ass that bomb you with crappy mails ;) 03:59 < mnemoc> did you panic and run away? 03:59 < rxr> no ;-) Just editing some files to continue the build ... 03:59 < rxr> reread your mail - now got what you mean ... 04:00 * rxr thinking ... 04:01 < mnemoc> db4/db.h (4.0) libdb-4.so (4.1) 04:01 < mnemoc> looks weird 04:01 < rxr> yes - but only because bdb41 is used as major 4 ... 04:01 < mnemoc> yes 04:01 < mnemoc> only because that 04:02 < mnemoc> 4.1 default + mayor + version 04:02 < mnemoc> 4.0 version 04:02 < mnemoc> 3.3 mayor + version 04:02 < Caspar> argh ... command "mount 192.168.17.111/rock /xx" funcs but c command "mount("192.168.17.111/rock","/mnt_source","nfs",NULL,NULL)" 04:03 < mnemoc> caspar: have you tried by http? 04:03 < mnemoc> rxr: do you prefer 4.0 default + mayor + version and 4.1 just as version? 04:03 < rxr> you really think this is that ugly ? 04:04 < rxr> mnemoc: no - I like it as it is ... 04:04 < mnemoc> libdb4.so (4.0) vs libdb-4.so (4.1) <-- this is confuse 04:04 < rxr> the only thing we might want to change is the name of some files - to make you happy ;-) 04:04 < Caspar> yes - but i'm a perfectionist - i want to set minimal requirements to my server - so i need tftp to boot the kernel and i'll need nfs to mount rocklinux system - so i want to download my ramdisk by either those two protokols ... 04:05 < Caspar> i did the change in the bootdisk target - so i know downloading by wget works - but now i want to try tftp or nfs .... 04:05 < mnemoc> rxr: if bdb40 you solve that inconsistencies... and you can make the links for mayor defaults 04:06 < rxr> well ok - I'll rename it ... 04:06 < mnemoc> :-D 04:07 < mnemoc> ln -s ${pkg:1} $root/$prefix/include/${pkg:1:3} <--- add this to postinstall of bdb33 and bdb41 04:07 < mnemoc> please :D 04:08 < mnemoc> i'll be really happy 04:11 < rxr> why ? 04:11 < mnemoc> why the link or why the happyness? 04:12 < rxr> both ;) 04:12 < mnemoc> the links are for getting include/db[34] and make configures happy 04:14 < mnemoc> and my happyness because i could talk with you and convice you of something that was really hard to 'translate' :-) 04:14 < rxr> checked in 04:14 * rxr testing now ... 04:14 < Caspar> ahhhh: For most types all the mount program has to do is issue a simple 04:14 < Caspar> mount(2) system call, and no detailed knowledge of the filesys- 04:14 < Caspar> tem type is required. For a few types however (like nfs, smbfs, 04:14 < Caspar> ncpfs) ad hoc code is necessary. The nfs ad hoc code is built 04:14 < Caspar> in, but smbfs and ncpfs have a separate mount program. 04:15 < mnemoc> nfs is built-in ;) 04:15 < Caspar> therefore my mount system call does not work ... 04:15 < Caspar> so i've to include the mount command in my initrd ... 04:16 < rxr> mnemoc: what are you doing with ROCK? S.th. commercial ? 04:16 < Caspar> BTW: utftp does not output to stdout ... 04:18 < mnemoc> rxr: chekout fails on the same file :( 04:18 < rxr> strange? Still windows? 04:18 < mnemoc> yes... 04:18 < rxr> do you already have a linux version finished? 04:18 < mnemoc> the linux one still builiding 04:19 < mnemoc> comercial? no... i wanted to build a couple of routers... but they where compiled by hand :| .. in that process i 'fall in love' with rocklinux and i'm trying to do a server target to serve/route in 'my way' ;) 04:20 < mnemoc> the strange thing in svn is that allways fails on the same file 04:20 < rxr> we should wait for the linux results - and then dig deeper into it, maybe even asking at #svn ... 04:21 < mnemoc> make install 04:21 < mnemoc> subversion has a built-in neon too? 04:22 < rxr> ah - yes 04:22 < rxr> they have a fallback to nearly anything ... 04:23 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe the windows client deosn't like the filename ? 04:24 < mnemoc> it said 'can't checkout... can't read.... can't open...' BUT can be something with the name 04:26 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you exactly mean with "i'm ok with that... so if we don't 'make damage' we can update packages?" 04:27 < mnemoc> can i update package if i'm sure they don't hurt? 04:27 < rxr> sure - what exactly do you have in mind ? 04:29 < mnemoc> i have almost 20 packages enqueue for sending to rock.... and some a the packages that are already on my repo. needs update.. 04:29 < mnemoc> but to 'ensure' they work i need to reach at least stage 5 :( 04:31 < rxr> which takes so long because of you box's cpu speed? 04:31 < mnemoc> cpu, ram, hd ... all sucks 04:32 < mnemoc> my box is fine.. but with XP (i work developing MS crap) 04:32 < mnemoc> my develop machine is pmmx200/64/2GB 04:32 < rxr> ic 04:32 < mnemoc> that serves vpn :( 04:33 < rxr> do you know of ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newdelete ? 04:33 < rxr> might save you some time testing ... 04:33 < mnemoc> ?? what exactly does? 04:33 < Caspar> rxr: in my drock build i've seen an packages.db - is this already an package database ? 04:35 < rxr> this is a cache file used by the build-system ... 04:35 < rxr> mnemoc: it deletes the packages (files and logs) in your build dir which got updates after the build. 04:36 < rxr> so you can test package changes without the need to delete single logs by hand or even do a full rebuld ... 04:36 < mnemoc> wow... 04:36 < mnemoc> that scripts are not much documented :) 04:37 < rxr> :-( Doc patches are highly recommended ... 04:37 * Caspar smiles - my diskless worstation does the first nearly useless but working startup :) 04:37 < mnemoc> i saw it as a ls build/default/root/var/adm/log/*.err 04:38 < mnemoc> Caspar: using nfs? 04:38 < Caspar> yes 04:38 < mnemoc> when do we have the patch to initrd and stone? 04:38 < mnemoc> ;) 04:38 < Caspar> now i've to build my ramfs and then do a full netboot ... 04:40 < Caspar> rxr: i've seen in var/adm/dependencies - this lists the build time depencies - is there any reference of install time depencies ? 04:41 < Caspar> like - installing wget - which libraries (packages) does it need ... 04:42 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 04:43 < rxr> yes/no - we think the build time ones are enought (often too much) - and take them as run-time dependency. 04:43 < rxr> -t 04:43 < Caspar> -t ? 04:44 < rxr> short for spelling error - substract a 't' -> enough ;-) 04:45 < mnemoc> but is not hard to an script that installs a package checking dependencies 04:45 < Caspar> i'd like to build a liitle php script - which takes all package descriptions - there you can preselect all packages you want to install - and then do a full automatic install ... so I'd like to do some dependcy check while selecting packages - therefor i ask .. 04:46 < mnemoc> php script? 04:46 < mnemoc> a web page? 04:46 < rxr> use the existing build time dependency as gas_gui does 04:46 < rxr> normally you will be on the save side 04:47 < Caspar> yes - i want a php script where you can do all config for my target machine - then put a floppy disk in this machine and the machine does all install without any interaction ... 04:47 < rxr> only binutils or gcc3 might be possible skiped for some - but gccX is needed for c++ applications for example (libstdc++ ...) 04:49 < mnemoc> there is any way to 'filter' that dependencies... some kind of cleanup? 04:49 < rxr> you might want to mark those dependencies as option in your php script 04:49 < Caspar> i've prepared already an single floppy install disk which fetches the 2nd stage from an http server - then it gets an config bash script which does the complete install 04:49 < rxr> mnemoc: this should be done in the installer 04:49 < mnemoc> sure.. 04:49 < mnemoc> for seting priorities... 04:50 < mnemoc> but i mean a cleanup to install using dependencies where they are really needed 04:50 < rxr> hm? 04:50 < mnemoc> rule: noone needs gcc except this packages 04:51 < mnemoc> ignore dependecnies to compiler 04:51 < mnemoc> with a list or algoritm of exceptions 04:51 < rxr> this would result in massive hardcoding - we wanted to avoid 04:51 < Caspar> i can't follow right now ... 04:52 < mnemoc> i'm just waitng svn@linux to end the checkout 04:52 < Caspar> i thought of something like redhat RPM's do - wget: glibc,... 04:53 < mnemoc> RPM?? install the whole X system if you want vim? ;) 04:53 < Caspar> not as silly as RPM but similar to this ... 04:54 < Caspar> if vim needs a library of the X system to run which gets only installed if the complete X packages are installed - yes 04:55 < rxr> this is possible - with the exeption that our current dependencies are build-time not runtime 04:55 < mnemoc> i was kidding ;) 04:55 < rxr> those match in 95% (just estimation) of the cases. 04:55 < Caspar> if vim runs without this library but WILL use a library of the X system - don't install X ;) 04:55 < rxr> the rest are either: 04:56 < rxr> - too much dependencies because compiler assembler are listed 04:56 < rxr> - too less because the prog calls another prog which obviously was not called during compilation (very rare) 04:57 < rxr> I'm happy with this and for my needs a filter for gcc / binutils / nasm in the installer to note that this dependencies might be options is ok ... 04:57 < rxr> s/options/optional/ 04:57 < Caspar> this means - if we want an good depency system - we would have to do this by hand :( 04:58 < mnemoc> MTD is on the default kernel now? ... and fails to build... 04:58 < mnemoc> == 13:01:28 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.20 1.7-snapshot]. 04:58 < mnemoc> == 04/26/03 18:09:34 =[1]=> Aborted building package linux24. 04:59 < rxr> Caspar: nope - I think out system is better since they are automatically logged during build time - in RPM portage whateber they are hardcoded and so are often not up-to-date or incorrect ... 04:59 < Caspar> ok then using the filter - ok 04:59 < rxr> mnemoc: cvs, svn ? what error ? 05:00 < mnemoc> Build-target 05:00 < mnemoc> (cvs) 05:00 < mnemoc> svn still co'ing 05:01 < rxr> strange maybe some peace is missing there ... 05:01 < Caspar> BTW: when i've finished the automated install - should this scripts (php,etc) go to an rock target ? 05:01 * rxr currently improving linux* 05:01 < rxr> Caspar: if you like ... 05:01 < rxr> mnemoc: how far did your linux co proceed? 05:01 < Caspar> to bootdisk or an seperate ? 05:02 < mnemoc> rxr: i flood you 05:02 < mnemoc> make CROSS_COMPILE=i586-pc-linux-gnu- KCC=i586-pc-linux-gnu-kcc-3 ARCH=i386 -C mtd modules_install 05:02 < mnemoc> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/rock-1.7/src.linux24.1051376469.23318.3896527903/linux-2.4.20/drivers/mtd' 05:02 < mnemoc> mkdir -p /usr/src/rock-1.7/build/boot-1.7-snapshot-x86-pentium-bootdisk-expert/root/lib/modules/2.4.20-rock/kernel/drivers/mtd/ 05:02 < mnemoc> cp cmdlinepart.o ftl.o mtdblock.o mtdblock_ro.o mtdchar.o mtdconcat.o mtdcore.o mtdpart.o nftl.o redboot.o /usr/src/rock-1.7/build/boot-1.7-snapshot-x86-pentium-bootdisk-expert/root/lib/modules/2.4.20-rock/kernel/drivers/mtd/ 05:02 < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `ftl.o': No such file or directory 05:02 < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `mtdblock.o': No such file or directory 05:02 < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `mtdblock_ro.o': No such file or directory 05:02 < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `nftl.o': No such file or directory 05:02 < mnemoc> make[2]: *** [_modinst__] Error 1 05:02 < mnemoc> shit 05:02 < mnemoc> sorry 05:02 < mnemoc> sorry sorry sorry 05:03 < mnemoc> damn paste 05:03 < mnemoc> going back to the install issue before my massive flood :|... 05:04 < rxr> Caspar: where you think it fits best. maybe a new one might be best. Since I do not want to introduce too many new features before 2.0 05:05 < Caspar> ok 05:05 < mnemoc> i think we can improve a process which analizes flists 05:05 < mnemoc> something adaptive... 05:06 < mnemoc> for example i we will not *install* the compiler (by config) ignore .a files 05:09 < rxr> you mean re-analysing the flists during the package selection during install ? 05:09 < mnemoc> when you build something a list of IO action is generated 05:10 < mnemoc> the owners of read file ar added to dependencies 05:11 < mnemoc> the write files are used to generate the tarball 05:12 < mnemoc> we need the dependencies as they are to assign priorities (building order) 05:13 < mnemoc> but we can re-analize it the generate a second list of dependencies 05:13 < mnemoc> in an smarter way 05:14 < mnemoc> but a guess for rock2.8 ;) 05:14 < mnemoc> s/a/i/ 05:14 < Caspar> ok, i've to go to bed - or my son will wake up before i've slept one minute ;) 05:14 < mnemoc> we all have to sleep :) 05:15 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep too 05:15 < Caspar> my son will wake up in nearly 3 hours - short night today ;( 05:15 < Caspar> gn8 05:16 < mnemoc> good nights 05:16 < rxr> no not rock 2.0 05:16 < mnemoc> rock3? 05:17 < rxr> I'm not sure if this is really that necessary (only slows down the build) - but if people find it that important we can add it in 2.1 or even in 2.0 if there is too much need. 05:23 < mnemoc> i dont' see it a something 'much needed' 05:24 < mnemoc> in the worst case, the target mantainer can do a list a .gem files to install ;) 05:34 < mnemoc> did you include kopete?? ... thats funny :) 05:35 < mnemoc> copete is the informal way to say 'a drink'.. and was created by a friend of me 05:37 < rxr> ;-) 05:37 < rxr> but it fails to compile - need to fix it still ... 05:37 < rxr> has the checkout completed ? 05:38 < mnemoc> rene/emacs 05:38 < mnemoc> what order does it uses?? 05:38 < mnemoc> now it's aspell 05:39 < rxr> mnemoc: don't now - mabe random as it is the database (like the files in a normal on-disk FS are spread rather randomly. See an unsorted ls ;-) 05:39 < mnemoc> package/clifford 05:39 < mnemoc> didn't fail 05:39 < rxr> mnemoc: patches gainst svn should be ok - I'll apply them ;-) 05:40 < rxr> maybe some protocol incompatibility: Just from #svn: 05:40 < rxr> 05:32 < BenC> yeah, but it seems that 0.20, 0.21 and 0.22 are all incompatible 05:40 < rxr> 05:32 < BenC> unless I missed something and 0.22 svnserve is compatible with 0.21 clients 05:40 < rxr> 05:33 < BenC> I know that 0.21/0.20 clients/svnserve in either condition are incompatible 05:40 < rxr> 05:33 < BenC> and 0.22 clients don't like my 0.21 server 05:40 < rxr> the windows tool was an binary ? 05:40 -!- Caspar [~steven261@M106P027.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:40 < mnemoc> yes 05:41 < rxr> maybe too old ... ?!? 05:41 < rxr> I need sleep (very badly) 05:41 < mnemoc> downlaoded today... i'll check the date 05:41 < rxr> cu tomorrow 05:41 < mnemoc> good nights 05:41 < mnemoc> thanks for all 05:41 < rxr> good night over to you, too ;-) 05:42 < mnemoc> :> 05:42 < mnemoc> 23:42 here 05:42 < mnemoc> 21 Apr 2003 Version 0.9.2 of TortoiseSVN released! Built against Subversion 0.21 05:44 * mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] : [ dead ] 10:36 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-170-095.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:38 < daja77> moin 10:55 < kasc> moin daja77 10:55 < daja77> hey kasc 10:57 < _NULL_> moin 11:12 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E4946A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:13 < daja77> moin tcr 11:19 < tcr> moin 11:19 < daja77> bbl ;) 11:24 < rxr> re 11:33 < tcr> how's going with subversion? 11:34 < rxr> works all fine up to now ;-) 11:34 < tcr> Do you know aegis? I found it yesterday occasionally 11:35 < tcr> aegis.sf.net 11:35 < rxr> The only problem I had sometimes is subversion complaining about an old version after deletes 11:36 < tcr> I'll take a look at the user guide of aegis later 11:47 < tcr> rxr: Hmm, will you be the 2.0 maintainer? 11:50 < rxr> ;-) tcr which email are you reading ? 11:51 < tcr> That was implied in one of the 200mails sent to the list when I was in holiday... couldn't find it again, hence the question.. 11:52 < rxr> yes - I'll become most probably the 2.0 maintainer. Cliff wants to send an announcement for this out for some days now ... 11:52 < tcr> Gotcha! 11:52 < tcr> Pine.LNX.4.53.0304240309580.1120@apollo.home.clifford.at 12:16 -!- tibit [~tibit@p508AA2D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:32 -!- senaxl_ [~senaxl@p50827ED9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:33 -!- tibit_ [~tibit@p508AA885.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:39 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 12:40 < A-Tui> hi 12:47 -!- senaxl_ is now known as franky 12:48 -!- senaxl [~senaxl@pD955AA0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:50 < rxr> hi A-Tui 12:51 -!- franky is now known as senaxl 13:03 < A-Tui> hi rxr 13:13 < _NULL_> re 13:14 < A-Tui> i'm having problems with dosemu.... it can't use enveriroment variables 13:25 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4FFDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:26 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FC95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD9E4FFDC.dip.t-dialin.net))) 13:26 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 13:26 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 14:00 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 14:00 < A-Tui> re 14:01 < _NULL_> wb A-Tui 14:01 < A-Tui> hola _NULL_ 14:04 < A-Tui> _NULL_ dis you know any USENET Free Server? 14:04 < _NULL_> nope. sorry 14:05 < A-Tui> ok 14:09 < daja77> re 14:09 < daja77> A-Tui: https://freenews.maxbaud.net/faq.html#HARVEST 14:10 < daja77> https://www.teranews.com/ 14:11 < daja77> https://news.cis.dfn.de/ 14:12 < daja77> hth ;) 14:14 < A-Tui> daja77 tnx friend :) 14:40 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506BEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 14:40 < daja77> *lol* 14:45 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 14:52 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506BEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux 14:52 < daja77> the angel is back 14:52 < daja77> welcome Lorini 14:52 < Lorini> hi daja77 14:53 < daja77> ;) 14:54 < Lorini> how are you today? 14:54 < daja77> fine, on drugs ;) 14:54 < Lorini> oh *g* tell me more.. 14:54 < daja77> strong tea... 14:55 < Lorini> uh 14:55 < kasc> daja77: black tea? 14:55 < daja77> yesss 14:55 < kasc> could use some, too 14:56 < Lorini> my favourite tea is orange tea - unfortunately you can only get it in austria 14:57 < daja77> I prefer english tea... 14:57 < Lorini> mh.. igitt :) 14:57 < daja77> *puzzled* 14:58 < kasc> the english teas are known to be the qualitatively least valuable... 14:58 < daja77> kasc: explain 15:00 < kasc> the english teas are usually a mixture of rests 15:00 < daja77> kasc: have you ever been to england 15:00 < kasc> yep 15:01 < daja77> tried the tea there 15:01 < kasc> still yep 15:01 < daja77> didn't like them? 15:01 < kasc> i prefer Ostfriesentee or darjeeling 15:01 < kasc> i didnt say they taste bad, just they are qualitatively the least valuable ;) 15:02 < daja77> darjeeling why 15:02 < kasc> coz i like it :) 15:02 * daja77 not 15:03 < kasc> compared to what is in english teas they taste really good ;) 15:03 < blindcoder> moin moin 15:03 < daja77> I never noticed any taste in darjeeling 15:03 < daja77> moin blindcoder 15:04 < Lorini> darjeeling tastes.. hm. strange 15:04 < daja77> Lorini: ack 15:04 < kasc> moin blindcoder 15:05 < Lorini> moin blindcoder 15:05 * blindcoder wonders if he should go dancing today or net 15:06 < daja77> blindcoder: dance 15:06 < blindcoder> yeah, but no dance-partner there today or I wouldn't have to think twice about it :) 15:06 < kasc> darjeeling tastes lighter then most teas and is best cooked less then 2 minutes 15:07 < daja77> too light for me 15:07 < kasc> thats why there are so many teas ;) 15:08 < daja77> good, eh? 15:09 < kasc> hehe 15:09 * daja77 should by some green tea 15:11 * kasc doesnt like original green tea at all 15:12 < kasc> tastes like Seetang 15:13 < daja77> I like it since I got some wonderful green tea at a chinese retaurant 15:14 < kasc> once again a matter of taste ;) 15:14 < daja77> ack, bu I agree that there are bad green teas out there 15:15 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4FCEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:16 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FFDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD9E4FCEB.dip.t-dialin.net))) 15:16 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 15:17 < _NULL_> blindcoder: whois the admin at bingo-ev? 15:18 * Lorini must have tried all these bad sorts of green tea... 15:18 < _NULL_> hi Lorini 15:18 < daja77> poor Lorini 15:19 < daja77> anyway I'll give it a try, if it is bad I'll switch dealer 15:19 < Lorini> lol 15:19 < daja77> maybe killing the old dealer before... 15:20 < Lorini> hrhr 15:20 < blindcoder> _NULL_: admin@bingo-ev.de why? 15:20 < _NULL_> blindcoder: ok. because i would like to change the sd[...]@bingo-ev.de adress 15:21 < blindcoder> _NULL_: for that you can direcly kick esden in the ass 15:21 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *g* ok... but he's sleeping (or so) since about two days... 15:21 < _NULL_> (comatose sleep?) 15:21 < blindcoder> he's at home 15:21 < _NULL_> ah so 15:21 < blindcoder> so it's really something like that :) 15:22 < daja77> _NULL_: to change into what? 15:22 < _NULL_> a comatose sleep ? ;) 15:22 < blindcoder> daja77: grep /etc/aliases 'sd....:' 15:22 < _NULL_> daja77: to chance into anothermailadress@bingo-ev.de 15:22 < daja77> *puzzled* 15:22 < blindcoder> daja77: sd....: /dev/null 15:22 < daja77> _NULL_: but it is so long... *g* 15:23 < _NULL_> daja77: bad luck ;) 15:23 < blindcoder> MUAHA! I like my suspicious-mail-filter :) 15:23 < daja77> _NULL_: ahem not that I have to use that address ;) 15:25 < _NULL_> daja77: bll :p 15:26 < daja77> I finally made it, _NULL_ hates me ;) 15:29 < blindcoder> hehe, that's not too hard to accomplish 15:29 < daja77> blindcoder: ack 15:29 < kasc> daja77: when you kill that dealer, could you send me some of his tea afterwards? :) 15:30 < daja77> kasc: do you think that if I kill a dealer who has tea I don't like, you'll like his teas? 15:30 < kasc> so thats a 'yes'? :) 15:31 < daja77> hmm, I could give him your address instead of killing him 15:34 < kasc> i did not intend paying anything... 15:35 < kasc> just want his teas ;) 15:35 < daja77> ic, ok that'll be the deal ;) 15:36 < kasc> :) 15:38 -!- Ge0rG [georg@morbo.boerde.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:01 < blindcoder> ah well, I'l go dancing. Can still go somewhere else if nobody's there. 16:01 < blindcoder> baba 16:01 < daja77> have fun blindcoder 16:31 -!- nitram- [martin@a195184.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #rocklinux 16:32 -!- Ge0rG [georg@morbo.boerde.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:33 -!- nitram- [martin@a195184.upc-a.chello.nl] has left #rocklinux () 17:31 < tcr> re all 17:59 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9588DC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:59 < tsa> hi all 18:00 < daja77> hi tsa (from the off...) 18:01 < tsa> hi daja77 18:03 < _NULL_> hi tsa 18:04 < tsa> hi owl 18:04 < tsa> hm... 18:04 < tsa> 5-bug-buddy22.err 5-galeon12.err 5-gnomemm-all20.err 5-sylpheed.err 18:04 < tsa> 5-cups.err 5-gimp14.err 5-lm_sensors.err 5-tcltk.err 18:04 < tsa> rxr: ? 18:05 * mnemoc is back [gone:12hrs 21mins 50secs] : [ back ] 18:06 -!- mnemoc [~mnemoc@200.75.27.13] has quit ("Leaving") 18:06 < tcr> ?? 18:06 < tsa> hm... 18:06 -!- mnemoc [~mnemoc@200.75.27.13] has joined #rocklinux 18:08 < kasc> re 18:08 < tsa> hi kasc 18:09 < kasc> hi tsa 18:10 * tcr is taking a shower 18:10 < tcr> brr, tomorrow monday again >:/ 18:12 < mnemoc> do you chat while taking a shower? 18:13 < tcr> Yes, you don't? 18:13 < mnemoc> my computer is not waterproof :( 18:14 < tcr> Well, speech recognising software and text reading software ;) 18:14 < tcr> Eh, no I'm not yet showering 18:15 < mnemoc> :> 18:16 < tcr> It's kinda great idea though... might be a test worth 18:17 < kasc> wouldnt work 18:17 < tcr> yeah the bursting of the douche... 18:17 < kasc> its more the noise it makes. it should work when having a bath, tho 18:18 < tcr> Yup I'm talking bout the noise 18:18 < tcr> nevertheless, I'm away now 18:43 < tcr> tsa: Argh. 18:46 < tcr> tsa: here? 18:56 < tsa> yes 18:57 < tcr> tsa: that subversion thing is a temporary test 18:58 < tcr> tsa: to find out if it might be a replacement for CVS in close future 18:59 < mnemoc> but svn tree is more 'up-to-date' than cvs' one 18:59 < tcr> No, there's not 'a svn tree', there's only an 'rxr's private svn tree' (well, if I understood him correctly, that's it) 19:00 < mnemoc> rxr's private tree is more stable than cvs' one ;) 19:01 < tcr> that will change when rxr sends his weekly(?) changes to clifford 19:02 < tcr> tsa: nevermind, it's not bad that you brought that topic up -- it has to be discussed anyway 19:08 < mnemoc> i think, at least, rene shall have write access 19:11 < tcr> None except for the maintainer (and a possible co-maintainer) should have write access. Decent RCSs are capable of that and doesn't limit all other developer 19:12 < tcr> developers 19:13 < tcr> CVS does _not_ grant that. I don't know about subversion 19:15 < mnemoc> can't you give access to just one directory? 19:16 < tcr> Well the point is rather that it makes maintaining a bit harder, well that means for clifford's perceiption 19:17 < tcr> He wants to keep on track of everything... 19:17 < tcr> ...and wants to have his hand over everything 19:18 < mnemoc> :| 19:18 < tcr> a I-determine-what-gets-in-and-what-not-man 19:19 < mnemoc> it's his 'toy' 19:19 < tcr> I share that with him however ;) 19:19 < mnemoc> :> .. avoid chaos 19:20 < mnemoc> BBL.. 19:20 * mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] : [ lunch ] 19:20 < tcr> Yup. Do you know how it's managed with the kernel and bk? 19:20 < tcr> bon appettite 19:20 < tcr> -t 19:54 < rxr> tcr: I send daily changes ;-) 19:54 < rxr> re btw ;-) 19:54 < daja77> re rxr 19:55 < rxr> the svn thing is the preparation for the stable tree maintained by me ... 19:55 < rxr> so it is semi-official 19:57 < daja77> does this mean that rock really will have a stable and unstable tree instead of two unstable ones? 19:57 < tcr> rxr: aegis looks really appetizing tho... did you take a look already? 19:58 < rxr> tcr: only briefly. 19:58 < tcr> rxr: spend the 15mins and read trough chapter 2 of the user guide 19:59 < tcr> rxr: I'd explain it to you, but it's quite complex and I'm lazy (and as you can read it just yourself, there's no real point in it anyway) 19:59 < rxr> tcr: ;-) But not within the next days. I have too much to do ... 19:59 < rxr> tcr: I'll read it - can you remeber me in some days ? 20:00 < tcr> rxr: Hmm, I might write a mail to the list (as a reply to tsa's mail) 20:01 < tcr> rxr: and shortly describe within that mail -- but yeah, will remind you 20:05 < blindcoder> hi all 20:05 < daja77> hi blindcoder, how was dancing? 20:06 < blindcoder> dancisg was boring... almost no one was there 20:06 < _NULL_> hi blindcoder 20:06 < blindcoder> So I left early and deflorated my new inline Skate Bearings and Tires :) 20:06 < blindcoder> hi nully :) 20:07 < tcr> re blindcoder 20:07 < blindcoder> re tcr 20:07 < tcr> you nick is so incredibly long >_< 20:07 < daja77> tcr: tab rulez 20:07 < blindcoder> tcr: tab-completion? 20:08 < tcr> Yeah, but long nicks are just unesthetic 20:09 < daja77> muhahahaha 20:09 < blindcoder> well, crash was already taken on OPN 20:09 < Lorini> https://www.kranke-kundin.de.vu/ 20:09 < tcr> If it'd go according to me, no nicks greater than 4 nicks, and should be consisted of the initials of one's name ;) 20:10 < blindcoder> tcr: luckily you don't have somehting to say about it :D 20:11 * tcr is the great dictator! unfortunately he lacks on suckers who follow him ;) 20:11 < daja77> tcr: my initials do not require my standards on nicks 20:12 < blindcoder> Lorini: your new homepage? :D 20:12 < tcr> would be funny if one has a name with the initials s, e and x *g* 20:12 < tcr> or.. 20:13 < tcr> b,o,f and h... 20:13 < tcr> Bernhard Oliver-Friedrich Haelke or something ;) 20:13 < daja77> lol 20:19 < tcr> hmm, anyone knows what's today in tv? 20:21 < daja77> crap, crap & more crap 20:21 < blindcoder> a Bug's Life 20:22 < daja77> blindcoder: ?? 20:22 < blindcoder> daja77: today on TV. A Bug's Life. 20:22 < blindcoder> Sadly is the best Movie today >_< 20:22 < daja77> what is it? 20:22 < blindcoder> Not that I'd watch TV, my parents just told me 20:22 < blindcoder> It's a full-animated Movie made by Disney IIRC 20:22 < daja77> hehehe 20:22 < daja77> *argh* 20:23 < tcr> Only crap, you're right 20:23 < tsa> rxr: can you please add cksums to the e17 packages? 20:24 < tsa> i'm experiencing problems here because the cvs checkout's weren't complete... 20:30 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E4946A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:30 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD9E4946A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:31 < blindcoder> Lorini: hehe, i wwonder if I could do the same by looking through our Hell Desks Call-DB :D 20:32 < Lorini> do it :) 20:36 < blindcoder> rxr: do you already have a solutien for perllocal.pod in imagemagick gtk-perl10 and irssi? The one that's present doesn't fix it... 20:49 -!- jhidalgo [~jose@196.40.45.146] has joined #rocklinux 20:50 < jhidalgo> hi!, anybody awake ? 20:51 < blindcoder> nah 20:51 < thalerim> Partly, yes 20:51 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr 20:52 < jhidalgo> ok, I want your recommendation for ldap books, I want to buy one! 20:59 < tcr> No idea 21:06 -!- root [~root@222.236-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #rocklinux 21:07 < root> hi all 21:07 < tsa> ircing as root is dangerous.. 21:07 < tcr> hi root. Do you know that it's normally not disreable to irc with root? 21:08 * blindcoder points to root, puzzled betwenn strange look and hearty laughter 21:08 < root> daja77: hi teacher :) 21:08 < root> it s wartix 21:08 < root> okk ll comming back :) 21:08 -!- root [~root@222.236-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has left #rocklinux () 21:09 < tcr> blindcoder: how have you finally decided? 21:09 -!- wartix [~wartix@222.236-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #rocklinux 21:09 < senaxl> ircing as UID==0 is dangerous :) 21:09 < wartix> well i m back :) 21:10 < tcr> senaxl: Do I hear an implication of bad experience out of that? ;) 21:10 < tsa> hi wartix ;) 21:10 < wartix> hi tsa 21:10 < _NULL_> re 21:10 < blindcoder> tcr: strange look:) 21:11 < wartix> the rocklinux team can teach programming ? or a project for newbie ? 21:11 < senaxl> franky@lapetus franky $ id root 21:11 < senaxl> uid=65534(root) gid=65534(root) Gruppen=65534(root) 21:11 < senaxl> franky@lapetus franky $ 21:11 < senaxl> :) 21:12 < blindcoder> security by obscurity? 21:12 < tcr> bofh got 0 ? 21:12 < senaxl> blindcoder: why? 21:13 < tcr> wartix: How do you mean? 21:13 < blindcoder> senaxl: cause root != UID 0 21:13 < senaxl> blindcoder: where is the problem? 21:13 < tcr> Well, we must be careful on this! 21:14 < blindcoder> senaxl: did I say it's a problem? 21:14 < tcr> 'root' is often just assumed with 'may-do-everything' 21:14 < senaxl> yes :) 21:14 < tcr> but here it's just the name for an user 21:14 < senaxl> ack :) 21:14 < wartix> tcr : i want to learn programming but i need help or someone for doing a teamproject with me and some other 21:14 < tcr> and that can be seen as security as obscurity 21:15 < senaxl> no :) 21:15 < tcr> by obscurity 21:15 < wartix> tcr : in first connect i was on root => if u don t configure your client irc he take the nick of your connection 21:15 < senaxl> why? 21:15 < tcr> wartix: What language are going to learn? 21:15 < wartix> c/c++ 21:16 < tcr> wartix: anyway, you should never do anything with root ;) 21:16 < blindcoder> senaxl: because it's 'only' causing confusion. 21:16 < senaxl> blindcoder: $ grep "root" /etc/passwd 21:16 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has joined #rocklinux 21:16 < holyolli> moin 21:17 < blindcoder> moin holyolli 21:17 < holyolli> moin blindcoder 21:17 < wartix> tcr : i have already some lessons of delphy and pascal 21:17 < tcr> wartix: Well, then buy a book (or borrow one from your local bibliotheque) read it, do all the tasks within it 21:17 < _NULL_> hi holyolli ! 21:17 < holyolli> hu _null_ 21:17 < holyolli> hi even 21:17 < wartix> holyolli : hi 21:17 < holyolli> hi wartix 21:17 < tcr> Oh my god, it's the holy olli! 21:18 < holyolli> *g* hi tcr 21:18 < tcr> He's so cute in his priest robe! 21:18 < holyolli> .oO(damn..did i let the webcam switched on...? ;-) 21:19 * tcr is god. I can see everything everywhere. Heh, yeah you got me right, I'm watching you! 21:19 < blindcoder> rxr: should I bother sending a patch for irssi gtk-porl10 and imagemagick (perllocal.pod) that uses the postflist hook to remove perllocal.pod from hte flist? 21:20 * holyolli is just checking ev'ry corner in his room for cams... 21:20 < wartix> wich p2p did you use for take mp3 under linux ( napster , winmx , ... like ) 21:20 < tcr> Cold... Colder... even colder... 21:21 < blindcoder> wartix: I use XMMS to save Radio-Streams to disk 21:22 < tcr> I go into a music store when I wanna get music ;))) 21:22 < wartix> lol 21:22 < tcr> (RIAA is like god, they're watching us too!) 21:22 < tcr> wartix: I usually use slsk for music 21:22 < blindcoder> tcr: heh. I'm not going to pay 40 US$ + shipping and handling for a 11-track CD 21:24 * mnemoc is back [gone:2hrs 4mins 22secs] : [ back ] 21:24 < tcr> wartix: Has your nick anything to do with some role in Asterix&Obelix? (though the names quite distinguish among different countries) 21:25 < daja77> tcr: lol, some thought as me 21:25 < daja77> re btw 21:26 < wartix> tcr: no its a young player nick i have made and i hold it originaly " war " for war and "tix" it s a toxic degeasant ( sorry for mi english ) 21:28 < tcr> No problem with your english... 21:29 < wartix> tcr: slsk work under linux ? 21:29 -!- wartix [~wartix@222.236-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has left #rocklinux () 21:30 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has quit ("Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?") 21:30 -!- wartix [~wartix@222.236-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #rocklinux 21:31 < wartix> hum :) 21:31 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has joined #rocklinux 21:31 < holyolli> re... 21:31 < tsa> hehe 21:31 < tcr> re wartix, holyolli 21:31 < tcr> holyolli: Have you found your controlling terminal again? 21:31 < wartix> someone see the movie " antitrust ? 21:31 < holyolli> tcr: jepp... ;) 21:32 < _NULL_> wb holyolli 21:32 < tcr> No I didn't. I don't go regularly in cinema, at most for lotr 21:33 < daja77> hi holyolli 21:33 < daja77> I recently saw "goodbye lenin" 21:34 < tcr> I wonder if that comes in belgium ;) 21:35 < daja77> hmm would be good ;) 21:36 < wartix> tcr : you are not germain ? 21:36 < tcr> Sure I am 21:36 < wartix> in belgium ? 21:37 < tcr> No... that sentence was directed to you actually ;) 21:37 < tcr> s,directed,related, 21:38 < tcr> Do you belong to the french speaking or to the flemish speaking people? 21:38 < wartix> french 21:39 * tfing waves :) 21:39 < daja77> hi tfing 21:39 < tcr> hehe 21:39 < tfing> hi all 21:39 < wartix> hi tfing 21:39 < daja77> bonsoir tfing et wartix ;) 21:39 < tfing> hehe 21:40 < wartix> yeah bonsoir 21:41 < blindcoder> nice... the whole "nikolaus" rep doesn't pass the Para-Check 21:41 < daja77> wartix: vous avez bien? 21:41 < tcr> 8) 21:41 < mnemoc> Para-Check? whats that? 21:41 < daja77> blindcoder: sounds that you like to hear that? 21:41 < blindcoder> Paranoia-Checks. 21:41 < blindcoder> daja77: not really... 21:41 * tfing suggests daja77 to put ll instead of the v 21:42 < daja77> tfing: ?? 21:42 < blindcoder> mnemoc: Checks for eample completeness of *.desc and correctness of categories and such things 21:42 < tcr> daja77: allez ;) 21:42 < tfing> < daja77> wartix: vous avez bien? <- "vous allez bien" is better :) 21:42 < mnemoc> thanks :) 21:42 < daja77> tfing: merci ;) 21:43 -!- jhidalgo [~jose@196.40.45.146] has quit ("Leaving") 21:44 < daja77> I guess my french is lousy had not much traing since leaving school... 21:45 < wartix> daja77: it s the same for my english 21:45 < daja77> hehe good match 21:45 < tcr> Well, then better never go to france... 21:46 < tcr> they're quite picky about that 21:47 < daja77> tcr: nope, they were friendly to me 21:47 < tcr> That means, if you say something in french in france, it should be gramatically correct and decently spoken 21:47 < daja77> tcr: no 21:47 * tfing agrees with daja77 21:48 * daja77 has been in france several times, and have other experiences than tcr 21:48 < tcr> It's the fad of frenchmen 21:49 < tcr> Their language count very much for them, that's so :) 21:49 < holyolli> cu all 21:49 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has left #rocklinux () 21:50 < tcr> bbl 21:50 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E4946A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 21:51 < daja77> tfing, wartix don't listen to tcr, he is weird sometimes 21:51 < mnemoc> can i do a diff excluding the difference in lines with some patern? 21:51 < tfing> ^_^ 21:51 < mnemoc> a diff between to diffs ignore the different 'dates'? 21:52 < wartix> daja77: what do you mean ? 21:52 < daja77> the things he said about french, I'm wondering if you ever had spoken french in France 21:53 < wartix> daja77: i m from belgium and i speak french :) 21:53 < daja77> wartix, I know, but tfing is from france 21:54 < wartix> daja77 : he originaly comes from sweden => he have some difficult"ies" for speaking french ;) 21:54 < daja77> lol 21:55 < daja77> you come from sweden, and tfing is in sweden... 21:55 < tfing> who comes from sweden ? 21:55 < wartix> arg i made a mistake :) 21:55 < wartix> it s tfing 21:55 < daja77> wartix: ?? 21:56 < tfing> i have some difficulties to speak french !? 21:56 < wartix> daja77 tcr is from germany 21:56 < daja77> right 21:56 < wartix> no sorry y switch tcr and tfing in my mind 21:56 < tfing> oh :) 21:56 < daja77> hehe tfing watch out 21:56 < wartix> ;) 21:57 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 21:57 < A-Tui> hi all 21:57 < daja77> hi A-Tui 21:57 < A-Tui> hola daja77 21:58 < A-Tui> how are you? 21:58 < daja77> disturbed 21:58 < A-Tui> why? 21:58 < tsa> hi A-Tui 21:58 < daja77> to many chats with women today... 21:58 < daja77> too 21:59 < A-Tui> hi tsa 21:59 < A-Tui> daja77: hehe that's good... i think 21:59 < daja77> not my day, I guess 21:59 < wartix> hi A-Tui 21:59 < A-Tui> hi wartix 21:59 -!- jose [~jose@196.40.45.146] has joined #rocklinux 22:00 < A-Tui> daja77: then you now need relax 22:00 < A-Tui> :) 22:00 < A-Tui> hola jose 22:00 < jose> hey guys, what rock has for dns querys ?, I cannot find host, dig, nslookup ! 22:00 < daja77> A-Tui: any hints? 22:00 < jose> A-Tui: hi! 22:00 < tsa> bind 22:00 < daja77> tsa: for queries? 22:00 < tsa> jose: that's all in the bind package 22:00 < tsa> daja77: yes. we suck. 22:01 < A-Tui> daja77: a good book 22:01 < A-Tui> a good film 22:01 < daja77> nice idea 22:01 < A-Tui> i like read phylosophy when i'm disturbed :) 22:02 < wartix> me i take a girl and after i m cool :) 22:02 < daja77> i like reading terry pratchett or something like this when I'm in this mood 22:02 < daja77> wartix: tell me more... 22:03 < jose> I like to read some richard stevens book always! 22:03 < A-Tui> daja77: whatever thing which makes you forgot the world is nice 22:03 < daja77> jose: hell yeah good stuff 22:03 < tsa> ACK! 22:03 < wartix> daja77 : when i m """""bad""" i go get a pretty girl and after i didn t still """bad""" 22:04 < daja77> wartix: get me one ;) 22:04 < tsa> hehe 22:04 < A-Tui> hehe 22:04 < tsa> daja77: take _NULL_ ;-) 22:04 < daja77> tsa: no thx 22:04 < wartix> did you have a cat daja77 it s working too 22:04 < wartix> lol 22:05 < jose> who is the hosting bussines here ? or isp ? 22:05 < daja77> wartix: I don't wanna pets in here, you know 22:05 < A-Tui> daja77: you don't like pets? 22:05 < jose> A-Tui: ya te hicieron el examen ? 22:05 < wartix> daja77 : what does pets mean ? 22:05 < daja77> A-Tui: not really 22:05 < A-Tui> jose: aun no, estoy en ello, he de entregarlas el 10 de Mayo 22:05 < daja77> wartix: animals which you have in the house 22:06 < A-Tui> i love cats 22:06 < daja77> I sort of like them too, but don't wanna have one 22:06 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506BEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:06 < wartix> daja77: put a cup of milk out and be quick :) 22:07 < daja77> hmmm have some sour mild over... 22:09 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE218EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux 22:09 < daja77> wb Lorini 22:09 < jose> esden: are you awake ? 22:12 < daja77> wartix: where do you live in belgium? 22:12 < wartix> daja77: i born in namur and now i m near marche 22:13 < daja77> marche, never heard of it 22:13 < wartix> laroche ? 22:13 < daja77> no 22:13 < wartix> in luxembourg in ardenne 22:13 < daja77> ah ic 22:13 < daja77> do you know ruddur? 22:14 < _NULL_> tsa: *kick* 22:14 < tsa> hehe 22:14 < wartix> daja77 rudur no in wich country 22:14 < daja77> belgium 22:15 < wartix> daja77 in flandre ? 22:15 < daja77> charleroi 22:15 < wartix> daja77 no didn t know 22:15 < A-Tui> hehe in the freedos web, there is an option to choose USA Spanish? Which spanish is that? 22:15 < daja77> he didn't show up recently 22:16 < _NULL_> tsa: becaus of you're enyoing it you will be moved to /dev/hell 22:16 < tsa> .oO( still better than getting moved to /dev/_NULL_ ) 22:16 < wartix> daja77 : rudur = nick ? 22:16 < daja77> yepp, https://www.ruddur.net ;) 22:17 < wartix> daja77 did you play cs ? 22:17 < daja77> nope 22:17 < _NULL_> tsa: :p 22:18 < daja77> A-Tui: american spanish ;) 22:18 < A-Tui> hehe but not USA :) 22:18 < wartix> i want to install rock linux but i have heavy problem whith devfs nanming device where can i found doc ? 22:19 < daja77> wartix: which device? 22:19 < jose> wartix: you can use ln over /dev/ :] 22:19 < wartix> usb modem and mouse 22:21 < daja77> they'll appear automatically when used 22:21 < wartix> ok will earase xp partition and forget simplicity :) 22:22 < daja77> simplicity, windows in one sentence, strange 22:22 < wartix> lol 22:23 < wartix> daja77 i m a noobzor in linux so ... 22:23 < daja77> wartix: never mind, you'll get it 22:23 < jose> *: how can i transfer zones with dig!?, I can't remember! 22:24 < tfing> jose: host -l ? 22:26 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50817038.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:27 < mnemoc> can i do a diff excluding the difference in lines with some patern? (ignore date difference for example) 22:28 < daja77> Mike1: ping 22:29 < tfing> costa rica is far away, ping takes a lot of time :) 22:29 < wartix> :) 22:30 < daja77> yeah seems to be so 22:30 < wartix> ll going to sleep bye all see u tomorow 22:30 < tfing> he has idle for 22h too :) 22:30 -!- wartix [~wartix@222.236-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has left #rocklinux () 22:30 < daja77> wartix: gn8 22:30 < daja77> damn 22:30 < jose> !ping 22:31 < jose> mnemoc: --line-format maybe!, or you will need some tee's, sed's and grep's ! 22:32 < mnemoc> i'll read about --line-format :) 22:32 < jose> tfing: I don't think I've slow connection! 22:33 < tfing> jose: that was just a joke of Mike1 not responding ;) 22:33 < jose> tfing: ok! CTCP PING reply from tfing: 1.003 seconds 22:34 >>> [~mnemoc@200.75.27.13] requested CTCP PING from #rocklinux: 1051475717 22:35 < jose> mnemoc: you see!, I'm not slow! 22:36 -!- jose [~jose@196.40.45.146] has quit ("BitchX Lite I said!") 22:41 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-be-6-2-dialup-142.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 22:49 < _NULL_> mnemoc: ? 22:51 -!- daja77_ [~daja77@212.144.72.186] has joined #rocklinux 22:51 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-170-095.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22:52 -!- daja77_ is now known as daja77 22:54 < mnemoc> _NULL_ ? 22:54 < _NULL_> why did you ctcp pinged my? 22:54 < _NULL_> me 22:55 < mnemoc> jose was talking about pings and i ping the channel.. sorry to bother you 22:55 < _NULL_> ah so 22:55 < _NULL_> ok. 22:55 < mnemoc> :) 23:00 < _NULL_> <-- sleeping. gn8 23:00 < mnemoc> nights 23:00 < daja77> gn8 _NULL_ 23:03 < A-Tui> cu later, i'm goint to test a FreeDos boot floopy 23:03 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("GNU's not UniX") 23:06 < esden> hi all 23:06 < daja77> hi esden 23:06 < mnemoc> hi 23:07 < daja77> esden: how are you? 23:08 < tsa> hi esden 23:10 < esden> I am fine thanks ... I have to dig through my e-mals now ... >_< 23:10 < rxr> hi all hi esden 23:10 * daja77 should have too, don't wanna 23:11 < daja77> re rxr ;) 23:12 < tsa> hi esden, rxr 23:15 < daja77> what do you think should I buy one of those used machines, for fun? 23:15 < daja77> >eine HP9000/710 mit 64MB RAM (Parity), 50MHz PA-RISC CPU, 23:15 < daja77> >1GB SCSI HDD, Caddy-CDROM, HIL-Tastatur und Maus, 23:15 < daja77> >onboard: SCSI, Sound, Ethernet, Grafik. 23:15 < daja77> and 23:15 < daja77> >40MHz SuperSPARC (II?) -CPU, 32MB RAM (parity), Floppy, 1GB SCSI HDD, 23:15 < daja77> >onboard: Ethernet, SCSI. SBUS-Grafikkarte, Tastatur, Maus. 23:16 < tsa> hm.. 23:16 < tsa> which kind of sparc? 23:16 < daja77> it is a hyundai sparc, sparc2 23:16 < tsa> how much would it cost? 23:17 < daja77> I'd have to give a "gebot" 23:17 < tsa> i see 23:17 < tsa> you'll probably need an 13w3->vga adaptor 23:18 < daja77> is it easy to get one? 23:18 < tsa> for the machine - not more than 30 eur 23:18 < daja77> ok 23:18 < tsa> shouldn't be too difficult, but they tend to be somewhat expensive 23:19 < tsa> paid about 15 eur for mine - before i got a sun CRT ;) 23:19 < daja77> 30 euro for the sparc machine, ok, and the other one (should run linux as advertised) 23:20 < tsa> don't know, i'm not familar with hp stuff 23:20 * daja77 neither 23:20 < rxr> esden: we need to get rid of the topic 23:20 < rxr> could you set a usefull one ? 23:20 < daja77> rxr: why? 23:22 < rxr> daja77: the 1.5 tree is not that actual / useable ... 23:22 < daja77> ack 23:23 < rxr> so the hint to the CVS repository can be removed from the topic 23:23 < daja77> tsa: this guy is offering an Apple II as well ;) 23:23 < rxr> maybe s.th. like "ROCK Linux aproaching 2.0 - join now" or s.th. 23:24 < daja77> oh I forgot one offer 23:24 < rxr> but I can not set a topic here 23:24 < tsa> 7topic ROCK Linux aproaching 2.0 - wait for 2.1 at least ;) 23:24 * tsa giggles 23:24 < rxr> tsa: huh ?? Why? 23:24 < tsa> rxr: just kidding.. 23:24 < rxr> 7ignore tsa 23:24 < tsa> hehe 23:25 < daja77> what about this one? 23:25 < daja77> >IBM RS/6000 Modell 41T mit PowerPC 601 (80MHz), 32MB RAM (Parity), 23:25 < daja77> >2GB SCSI HDD, SCSI CDROM, Floppy, onboard: SCSI, Ethernet. 23:25 < daja77> >Grafikkarte: PowerGXT 150L (auf eigenem Hochgeschwindigkeitssteckplatz, 23:25 < daja77> >so eine Art AGP ;), Bussystem: Microchannel (noch gut erweiterbar), 23:25 < daja77> >fuer Tastatur/Maus sind PS/2-Anschluesse vorhanden. 23:25 < tsa> 5-bug-buddy22.err 5-ghex12.err 5-gnumeric12.err 5-tcltk.err 23:25 < tsa> 5-cups.err 5-gimp14.err 5-lm_sensors.err 23:25 < tsa> 5-galeon12.err 5-gnomemm-all20.err 5-sylpheed.err 23:25 < tsa> hm.. 23:25 < tsa> build still running 23:26 < tsa> rxr: just read your mail regarding patches.. 23:26 < tsa> ..is clifford offline or awaay for some time? 23:26 < rxr> no - but very busy ... 23:26 < tsa> i see 23:27 < rxr> so currently I do not know if it helps when I apply all - or if it makes merging harder ... 23:27 < esden> urgh ... that are many mails >_< 23:28 < daja77> around 160 for me 23:28 < rxr> esden: could you set a nicer topic here? 23:29 < daja77> tsa: forget about the last one, it is aix only 23:30 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 23:32 < tsa> rxr: short question - gcc 3.2.3 for ROCK 2.0? 23:32 < tsa> or better keep the tree stable? 23:33 < tfing> tsa: i think he wrote about using 3.3 23:33 < tsa> i see. 23:34 < daja77> wb A-Tui 23:34 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ 23:34 < tfing> |"For the desktop target I plan to use 23:34 < tfing> |3.3 for the final release, but the current gcc-snapshot does not like 23:35 < tfing> our cross-compile ... :-(" 23:35 < A-Tui> re daja77 23:38 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 ) 23:39 <@esden> that is ok I think 23:39 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden 23:46 < daja77> nice topic 23:47 * daja77 still wondering how this client managed to set the last topic 23:49 < mnemoc> "book your copy now!" 23:51 < esden> hehe ... daja77 ??? 23:52 < daja77> esden: somehow xchat set the last topic, without being me op or something 23:54 -!- tsa changed the topic of #rocklinux to: huh? 23:54 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 ) 23:54 < tsa> hm.. 23:54 < tsa> indeed. 23:55 < daja77> it is a feature I guess 23:55 < rxr> jups 23:55 -!- tsa changed the topic of #rocklinux to: esden: /mode #rocklinux +t 23:55 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 ) 23:55 < daja77> I somehow managed it... 23:55 < daja77> without ever wanting to do this 23:56 < tsa> esden! 23:56 < esden> tsa: yaya 23:56 < tsa> ;) 23:56 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ 23:56 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+t] by esden 23:56 <@esden> tsa: better ? 23:56 < tsa> --- #rocklinux :You need to be a channel operator to do that 23:56 < tsa> good. 23:57 < tsa> thx 23:57 <@esden> puhh 23:58 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 ) 23:58 <@esden> humm ... 23:58 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o tsa] by esden 23:58 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o tsa] by ChanServ 23:58 <@esden> hehe nice 23:58 < tsa> :-P 23:58 <@esden> :P 23:58 * tsa removes life operator status from esden 23:59 <@esden> muahaha ... now I am a zombie 23:59 < daja77> what does +t mean 23:59 < rxr> I'm allready at "Revision 28" in my svn tree ;-) 23:59 < tsa> daja77: topic may only be changed by chennel operators 23:59 < tsa> s,e,a, --- Log closed Mon Apr 28 00:00:20 2003