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00:22 < A-Tui> hi
00:22 < daja77> hey A-Tui
00:22 < _NULL_> hi A-Tui
00:22 < A-Tui> hi _NULL_ daja77
00:38 < daja77> A-Tui: what's up?
00:39 < A-Tui> i'm testing mocka
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00:40 < daja77> mocka?
00:40 < A-Tui> a m2 compiler
00:40 < daja77> m2?
00:40 < A-Tui> but i think that don't support all features of m2
00:40 < A-Tui> m2 == modula-2
00:40 < daja77> I fear it
00:40 < daja77> feared
00:41 < daja77> wtf modula
00:42 < A-Tui> but mocka don't understand EXPORT label
00:42 < daja77> *argh* I hate modula
00:43 < A-Tui> me too
00:44 < daja77> I needed one day to do a simple program in modula which takes minutes in almost every language, cos modula is so crappy
00:44 < A-Tui> yes, that's true
00:45 < A-Tui> i'm too slow in m2 too
00:46 < daja77> those extra rules for writing a big or little letter in the beginning gives you the creeps
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00:47 < kasc> re
00:47 < daja77> re kasc
00:47 < A-Tui> re kasc
00:48 < kasc> looks like the new kernel is running now
00:48 < kasc> too bad my cam isnt supported anymore
00:49 < daja77> :(
00:51 < _NULL_> hi kasc
00:51 < kasc> but i found the mails mutt kept eating...
00:52 < kasc> in my /var/spool/postfix/corrupt folder...
00:52 < kasc> hi _NULL_
00:59 < kasc> oh, my fonts seem to be broken, too...
01:00 < kasc>  <-- look quite funny now
01:00 < daja77> looking ok here
01:04 < tsa> kasc: use sendmail, then ;)
01:04 < kasc> tsa: pine seems to like postfix
01:04 < kasc> and i like both. pine and postfix
01:05 < daja77> pain *g*
01:05 < kasc> and that although i had a working sendmail.cf and not a trivial one ;)
01:06 < tsa> i prefer mutt to pine..
01:06 < tsa> and i know how to use sendmail, but not postfix
01:07 < kasc> i know its much more powerfull but i was too lazy to dig through all those howtos for mutt
01:07 < kasc> the documentation shipped with mutt is far too small
01:08 < tsa> hm..my mutt is working perfectly..
01:08 < kasc> didnt get gpg to fetch keys from a keyserver and outgoing mails seem to get crippled somehow
01:09 < tsa> $ grep ^keyserver .gnupg/options
01:09 < tsa> keyserver blackhole.pca.dfn.de
01:10 < kasc> your muttrc would be more helpful ;)
01:10 < kasc> especially all lines that begin with set
01:12 < tsa> http://www.jaenicke.org/muttrc
01:14 < daja77> gn8 everyone
01:14 < kasc> thx
01:14 < kasc> gn8 daja77
01:15 < _NULL_> gn8 daja77
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02:09 < rxr> re
02:09 < tsa> hi senaxl
02:10 < tsa> rxr..
02:10 < senaxl> Huhu :)
02:10 < tsa> sigh...damn tab-completion
02:10 < mnemoc> hi
02:10 < tsa> rxr: i sent a patch for libbonobouimm14 to the list..
02:10 < tsa> just a problem with the build order..
02:11 < mnemoc> rxr: i get an error checking out from svn :(
02:11 < rxr> tsa: I already fixed this today (see svn) - but then we get shared files with gnomemm
02:11 < rxr> I'm just taking a look
02:11 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - what error ?
02:11 * mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] [gone:1day 20hrs 28mins 22secs] : [ dead ]
02:11 < tsa> tcltk is a shared file problem, too
02:12 * mnemoc is back [gone:1day 20hrs 28mins 51secs] : [ back ]
02:12 < mnemoc> w8
02:12 < mnemoc> a read error
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02:14 < mnemoc> i'm doing it again now to paste you the exact file
02:16 * Caspar_ wonders if portmap is needed to mount a nfs share ...
02:17 < tsa> on the server, yes.
02:17 < mnemoc> rpc
02:17 < tsa> on the client, no.
02:17 < Caspar_> no on the client ...
02:18 < Caspar_> i just tried to create an netboot linuxrc and wanted to mount a nfs share :( it doesn't work ...
02:19 < tsa> try "showmount -e servername" on the client
02:19 < Caspar_> i'ts really difficult to do error searching when linux is not running already :(
02:20 < Caspar_> i 've no shell yet ... its the linuxrc program ...
02:20 < Caspar_> it says - can't mount /mnt_source: invalid argument ...
02:21 < Caspar_>         if ( mount("192.168.17.111/rock","/mnt_source","nfs",MS_RDONLY,NULL))
02:21 < Caspar_>                 { perror("Can't mount /mnt_source"); exit_linuxrc=0; }
02:22 < Caspar_> export exists - can be mounted by another client - /mnt_source exists ...
02:22 < Caspar_> nfs has been comiled into the kernel ...
02:22 < Caspar_> :_(
02:24 < tsa> can you mount /mnt_source frmo another host?
02:24 < mnemoc> rxr: syn_io_file_open: can't open '/usr/src/rock2/rock-trunk/package/rene/edb/.svn/tmp/text-base/con.patch-manual.svn-base'
02:25 < mnemoc> 'could not checkout a file' is the first message
02:26 < rxr> mnemoc: I have to try here mom
02:28 < rxr> tsa:  still here ?
02:28 < tsa> yes
02:29 < rxr> gnomemm-all already includes this:
02:29 < rxr> gconfmm  libbonobomm  libbonobouimm  libglademm  libgnomecanvasmm  libgnomemm  libgnomeuimm
02:29 < rxr> so our libbonobo* stuff should not be needed ...
02:29 < tsa> hm...i see
02:29 < rxr> should I remove them - or should I add all the gnomemm-all included packages as single packages to ROCK ?
02:30 < tsa> i'd suggest to remove the single packages...less packages mean less work to the maintainer...
02:30 < tsa> better keep -all, then..
02:31 < rxr> but single packages might behave nicer when you debug a build error ...
02:31 < rxr> but ok I'll try without the bonobo* packages
02:33 < rxr> tsa: what do you think about the kernel issue - should be try to ship the -rc releases or should we wait even longer for a final?
02:33 < rxr> the problem that with the current 2.4 policy it takes ages for imporant fixes/security/updates to be available as final ...
02:34 < tsa> -rc should be ok..
02:35 < rxr> ok - I think so, too. This is why I updated it some days ago ..
02:35 < rxr> we need to track security issues more closely - we had linux* packages with the local-root explot available for too long
02:36 < rxr> I know of a ROCK system at university where someone used it already ...
02:36 < tsa> oops ;)
02:37 < rxr> I like svn:
02:37 < rxr> svn delete libbonobo*mm*
02:37 < rxr> ;-)
02:37 < mnemoc> are you sync'ing with clifford's changes?
02:38 < Caspar_> tsa: i just tried to mount from my testclient - booted from an old drock  system on disk - worked - BUT it seems to need portmap - if i dont start portmap the mount command "hangs"
02:38 < tsa> hm...strange
02:40 < rxr> mnemoc: Checked out revision 9.
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02:40 < rxr> mnemoc: what cml are you exactly using?
02:40 < rxr> how did you compile svn ?
02:40 < mnemoc> tortoisesvn ;)
02:40 < rxr> mnemoc: sure I always sync with cliff
02:40 < rxr> tortoisesvn? what is that?
02:40 < mnemoc> windows crap :(
02:41 < rxr> you try to checkout rock-linux on a windows box ?
02:42 < mnemoc> mmm... i wanted to test it :(
02:43 < mnemoc> can i build cmdline tools without apache?
02:43 < mnemoc> my test-box is not enought for that :|
02:44 < rxr> yes - the Apche Portable Runtime is included in subversion - and is automatically build within subversion when non external is provided.
02:44 < rxr> mnemoc: have you tried to checkout e.g. subversions source-code with your windows client tool =
02:44 < rxr> ?
02:44 < mnemoc> yep...
02:44 < mnemoc> works fine
02:45 < rxr> hm
02:46 < mnemoc> to build it.. just neon+subversion then?
02:48 < rxr> mnemoc: jups I think so
02:49 < Caspar_> is there any tool outside which fetchs a file from an tftp server an writes it to stdout ? the tftp tool only creates a file ...
02:49 < rxr> curl
02:51 < Caspar_> curl tftp://192.168.17.111/tftpboot/config/menu.lst
02:51 < Caspar_> curl: (1) Unsupported protocol: tftp
02:52 < Caspar_> rocklinux 1.7 system
02:53 < rxr> oh tftp. hm ...
02:55 < tsa> install utftp
02:56 < tsa> specify "-" as output file, should work
02:56 < Caspar_> where can i get utftp ?
02:56 < Caspar_> it isn't included in the CVS packages - is it ?
02:56 < tsa> http://www.ohse.de/uwe/software/utftpd.html
02:58 * tsa going to sleep now..
02:58 < tsa> cu tomorrow..
02:58 < senaxl> nite..
02:58 < rxr> cu tsa
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03:07 < rxr> Revision 11: /rock-trunk
03:07 < rxr> sync with cliff - much fun
03:08 < mnemoc> are you happy with your new toy? ;)
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03:26 < mnemoc> rxr: a weird thing... if i checkout http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/ it fails
03:26 < mnemoc> with that error
03:27 < mnemoc> bu if a checkout http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk works fine
03:28 < mnemoc> until now... it hasn't ended yet
03:34 < rxr> "rock-linux/rock-trunk" is the correct URL ...
03:40 < rxr> ah! - How I like svn:
03:40 < rxr> svn add *mm*
03:40 < rxr> *g*
03:40 < rxr> mnemoc: your checkout is still running =
03:41 < mnemoc> :(
03:41 < mnemoc> i'm faaaar away ;)
03:42 < mnemoc> using rock-trunk started in another order... i haven reached package/rene yet
03:42 < rxr> ah - and the server only has a 256 kBit/s upstream ...
03:42 < mnemoc> and that was the first package/* i got using rock-linux
03:43 < mnemoc> is it at your home?
03:43 < rxr> this is only a "first test" server - when svn shows up to work well - it will be moved to my primary (non-home) server having 155MBit/s ...
03:43 < rxr> jups at home - DSL line ...
03:44 < rxr> the dabase is on a RAID5 volume ...
03:44 < rxr> s/dabase/database/ ...
03:45 < mnemoc> well... i took 5 hours building 1-linux24 :(
03:46 < mnemoc> i love that box
03:46 < rxr> oh :-(
03:46 < rxr> gcc-33 will be faster ;-)
03:46 < mnemoc> ? why?
03:47 < rxr> aside from many cleanups in the optimizer stages they also improved the garbage-collector (used internally in gcc) and made it adapt to the free system memory instead of using 4MB hardcoded
03:48 < rxr> this all results in quite impressive speedups
03:48 < rxr> *g*
03:48 < mnemoc> :-) when will be released?
03:48 < rxr> althought I do not now why thes made such a strange GC ...
03:49 < rxr> in the next weeks (Mark Mitchel tells us for some weeks now ...) ;-)
03:49 < rxr> Mitchell in fact
03:49 < mnemoc> i guess rock-2.0 will wait for it ;)
03:50 < rxr> I have not yet made a decission
03:50 < rxr> it will be binary compatible - so this shouldn't be much of a problem
03:50 < mnemoc> and about bdb4{,0}?
03:51 < rxr> I prefer bdb4 ...
03:51 < mnemoc> :(
03:51 < rxr> why do you prefer bdb40 ?
03:52 < mnemoc> just what i said about lib/header versioning
03:52 < mnemoc> a feeling
03:54 < mnemoc> libdb4.so (4.0) vs libdb-4.so (4.1) for example
03:54 < rxr> which name are you using on the rock list ?
03:54 < mnemoc> name? mine :) Alejandro Mery
03:55 < rxr> ah
03:55 < rxr> oki but your irc client says:
03:55 < rxr> Mnemoc Von Machali
03:55 < rxr>  ...
03:56 < mnemoc> some irc client for hidden and public work :(
03:56 < mnemoc> Mnemoc <-- nick, machali <-- my village at chile
03:56 < rxr> ah
03:57 < mnemoc> then... i'm that pain-in-the-ass that bomb you with crappy mails ;)
03:59 < mnemoc> did you panic and run away?
03:59 < rxr> no ;-) Just editing some files to continue the build ...
03:59 < rxr> reread your mail - now got what you mean ...
04:00 * rxr thinking ...
04:01 < mnemoc> db4/db.h (4.0) libdb-4.so (4.1)
04:01 < mnemoc> looks weird
04:01 < rxr> yes - but only because bdb41 is used as major 4 ...
04:01 < mnemoc> yes
04:01 < mnemoc> only because that
04:02 < mnemoc> 4.1 default + mayor + version
04:02 < mnemoc> 4.0 version
04:02 < mnemoc> 3.3 mayor + version
04:02 < Caspar> argh ... command "mount 192.168.17.111/rock /xx" funcs but c command "mount("192.168.17.111/rock","/mnt_source","nfs",NULL,NULL)"
04:03 < mnemoc> caspar: have you tried by http?
04:03 < mnemoc> rxr: do you prefer 4.0 default + mayor + version and 4.1 just as version?
04:03 < rxr> you really think this is that ugly ?
04:04 < rxr> mnemoc: no - I like it as it is ...
04:04 < mnemoc> libdb4.so (4.0) vs libdb-4.so (4.1) <-- this is confuse
04:04 < rxr> the only thing we might want to change is the name of some files - to make you happy ;-)
04:04 < Caspar> yes - but i'm a perfectionist - i want to set minimal requirements to my server - so i need tftp to boot the kernel and i'll need nfs to mount rocklinux system - so i want to download my ramdisk by either those two protokols ...
04:05 < Caspar> i did the change in the bootdisk target - so i know downloading by wget works - but now i want to try tftp or nfs ....
04:05 < mnemoc> rxr: if bdb40 you solve that inconsistencies... and you can make the links for mayor defaults
04:06 < rxr> well ok - I'll rename it ...
04:06 < mnemoc> :-D
04:07 < mnemoc> ln -s ${pkg:1} $root/$prefix/include/${pkg:1:3} <--- add this to postinstall of bdb33 and bdb41
04:07 < mnemoc> please :D
04:08 < mnemoc> i'll be really happy
04:11 < rxr>  why ?
04:11 < mnemoc> why the link or why the happyness?
04:12 < rxr> both ;)
04:12 < mnemoc> the links are for getting include/db[34] and make configures happy
04:14 < mnemoc> and my happyness because i could talk with you and convice you of something that was really hard to 'translate' :-)
04:14 < rxr> checked in
04:14 * rxr testing now ...
04:14 < Caspar> ahhhh: For most types all the mount program has to do is issue a simple
04:14 < Caspar>               mount(2)  system call, and no detailed knowledge of the filesys-
04:14 < Caspar>               tem type is required.  For a few types however (like nfs, smbfs,
04:14 < Caspar>               ncpfs)  ad  hoc  code is necessary. The nfs ad hoc code is built
04:14 < Caspar>               in, but smbfs and ncpfs have a separate mount program.
04:15 < mnemoc> nfs is built-in ;)
04:15 < Caspar> therefore my mount system call does not work ...
04:15 < Caspar> so i've to include the mount command in my initrd ...
04:16 < rxr> mnemoc: what are you doing with ROCK? S.th. commercial ?
04:16 < Caspar> BTW: utftp does not output to stdout ...
04:18 < mnemoc> rxr: chekout fails on the same file :(
04:18 < rxr> strange? Still windows?
04:18 < mnemoc> yes...
04:18 < rxr> do you already have a linux version finished?
04:18 < mnemoc> the linux one still builiding
04:19 < mnemoc> comercial? no... i wanted to build a couple of routers... but they where compiled by hand :| .. in that process i 'fall in love' with rocklinux and i'm trying to do a server target to serve/route in 'my way' ;)
04:20 < mnemoc> the strange thing in svn is that allways fails on the same file
04:20 < rxr> we should wait for the linux results - and then dig deeper into it, maybe even asking at #svn ...
04:21 < mnemoc> make install
04:21 < mnemoc> subversion has a built-in neon too?
04:22 < rxr> ah - yes
04:22 < rxr> they have a fallback to nearly anything ...
04:23 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe the windows client deosn't like the filename ?
04:24 < mnemoc> it said 'can't checkout... can't read.... can't open...' BUT can be something with the name
04:26 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you exactly mean with "i'm ok with that... so if we don't 'make damage' we can update packages?"
04:27 < mnemoc> can i update package if i'm sure they don't hurt?
04:27 < rxr> sure - what exactly do you have in mind ?
04:29 < mnemoc> i have almost 20 packages enqueue for sending to rock.... and some a the packages that are already on my repo. needs update..
04:29 < mnemoc> but to 'ensure' they work i need to reach at least stage 5 :(
04:31 < rxr> which takes so long because of you box's cpu speed?
04:31 < mnemoc> cpu, ram, hd ... all sucks
04:32 < mnemoc> my box is fine.. but with XP (i work developing MS crap)
04:32 < mnemoc> my develop machine is pmmx200/64/2GB
04:32 < rxr> ic
04:32 < mnemoc> that serves vpn :(
04:33 < rxr> do you know of ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newdelete ?
04:33 < rxr> might save you some time testing ...
04:33 < mnemoc> ?? what exactly does?
04:33 < Caspar> rxr: in my drock build i've seen an packages.db - is this already an package database ?
04:35 < rxr> this is a cache file used by the build-system ...
04:35 < rxr> mnemoc: it deletes the packages (files and logs) in your build dir which got updates after the build.
04:36 < rxr> so you can test package changes without the need to delete single logs by hand or even do a full rebuld ...
04:36 < mnemoc> wow...
04:36 < mnemoc> that scripts are not much documented :)
04:37 < rxr> :-( Doc patches are highly recommended ...
04:37 * Caspar smiles - my diskless worstation does the first nearly useless but working startup :)
04:37 < mnemoc> i saw it as a ls build/default/root/var/adm/log/*.err
04:38 < mnemoc> Caspar: using nfs?
04:38 < Caspar> yes
04:38 < mnemoc> when do we have the patch to initrd and stone?
04:38 < mnemoc> ;)
04:38 < Caspar> now i've to build my ramfs and then do a full netboot ...
04:40 < Caspar> rxr: i've seen in var/adm/dependencies - this lists the build time depencies - is there any reference of install time depencies ?
04:41 < Caspar> like - installing wget - which libraries (packages) does it need ...
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04:43 < rxr> yes/no - we think the build time ones are enought (often too much) - and take them as run-time dependency.
04:43 < rxr> -t
04:43 < Caspar> -t ?
04:44 < rxr> short for spelling error - substract a 't' -> enough ;-)
04:45 < mnemoc> but is not hard to an script that installs a package checking dependencies
04:45 < Caspar> i'd like to build a liitle php script - which takes all package descriptions - there you can preselect all packages you want to install -  and then do a full automatic install ... so I'd like to do some dependcy check while selecting packages - therefor i ask ..
04:46 < mnemoc> php script?
04:46 < mnemoc> a web page?
04:46 < rxr> use the existing build time dependency as gas_gui does
04:46 < rxr> normally you will be on the save side
04:47 < Caspar> yes - i want a php script where you can do all config for my target machine - then put a floppy disk in this machine and the machine does all install without any interaction ...
04:47 < rxr> only binutils or gcc3 might be possible skiped for some - but gccX is needed for c++ applications for example (libstdc++ ...)
04:49 < mnemoc> there is any way to 'filter' that dependencies... some kind of cleanup?
04:49 < rxr> you might want to mark those dependencies as option in your php script
04:49 < Caspar> i've prepared already an single floppy install disk which fetches the 2nd stage from an http server - then it gets an config bash script which does the complete install
04:49 < rxr> mnemoc: this should be done in the installer
04:49 < mnemoc> sure..
04:49 < mnemoc> for seting priorities...
04:50 < mnemoc> but i mean a cleanup to install using dependencies where they are really needed
04:50 < rxr> hm?
04:50 < mnemoc> rule: noone needs gcc except this packages
04:51 < mnemoc> ignore dependecnies to compiler
04:51 < mnemoc> with a list or algoritm of exceptions
04:51 < rxr> this would result in massive hardcoding - we wanted to avoid
04:51 < Caspar> i can't follow right now ...
04:52 < mnemoc> i'm just waitng svn@linux to end the checkout
04:52 < Caspar> i thought of something like redhat RPM's do - wget: glibc,...
04:53 < mnemoc> RPM?? install the whole X system if you want vim? ;)
04:53 < Caspar> not as silly as RPM but similar to this ...
04:54 < Caspar> if vim needs a library of the X system to run which gets only installed if the complete X packages are installed - yes
04:55 < rxr> this is possible - with the exeption that our current dependencies are build-time not runtime
04:55 < mnemoc> i was kidding ;)
04:55 < rxr> those match in 95% (just estimation) of the cases.
04:55 < Caspar> if vim runs without this library but WILL use a library of the X system - don't install X ;)
04:55 < rxr> the rest are either:
04:56 < rxr> - too much dependencies because compiler assembler are listed
04:56 < rxr> - too less because the prog calls another prog which obviously was not called during compilation (very rare)
04:57 < rxr> I'm happy with this and for my needs a filter for gcc / binutils / nasm in the installer to note that this dependencies might be options is ok ...
04:57 < rxr> s/options/optional/
04:57 < Caspar> this means - if we want an good depency system - we would have to do this by hand :(
04:58 < mnemoc> MTD is on the default kernel now? ... and fails to build...
04:58 < mnemoc> == 13:01:28 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.20 1.7-snapshot].
04:58 < mnemoc> == 04/26/03 18:09:34 =[1]=> Aborted building package linux24.
04:59 < rxr> Caspar: nope - I think out system is better since they are automatically logged during build time - in RPM portage whateber they are hardcoded and so are often not up-to-date or incorrect ...
04:59 < Caspar> ok then using the filter - ok
04:59 < rxr> mnemoc: cvs, svn ? what error ?
05:00 < mnemoc> Build-target
05:00 < mnemoc> (cvs)
05:00 < mnemoc> svn still co'ing
05:01 < rxr> strange maybe some peace is missing there ...
05:01 < Caspar> BTW: when i've finished the automated install - should this scripts (php,etc) go to an rock target ?
05:01 * rxr currently improving linux*
05:01 < rxr> Caspar: if you like ...
05:01 < rxr> mnemoc: how far did your linux co proceed?
05:01 < Caspar> to bootdisk or an seperate ?
05:02 < mnemoc> rxr: i flood you
05:02 < mnemoc> make CROSS_COMPILE=i586-pc-linux-gnu- KCC=i586-pc-linux-gnu-kcc-3 ARCH=i386 -C mtd modules_install
05:02 < mnemoc> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/rock-1.7/src.linux24.1051376469.23318.3896527903/linux-2.4.20/drivers/mtd'
05:02 < mnemoc> mkdir -p /usr/src/rock-1.7/build/boot-1.7-snapshot-x86-pentium-bootdisk-expert/root/lib/modules/2.4.20-rock/kernel/drivers/mtd/
05:02 < mnemoc> cp cmdlinepart.o ftl.o mtdblock.o mtdblock_ro.o mtdchar.o mtdconcat.o mtdcore.o mtdpart.o nftl.o redboot.o /usr/src/rock-1.7/build/boot-1.7-snapshot-x86-pentium-bootdisk-expert/root/lib/modules/2.4.20-rock/kernel/drivers/mtd/
05:02 < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `ftl.o': No such file or directory
05:02 < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `mtdblock.o': No such file or directory
05:02 < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `mtdblock_ro.o': No such file or directory
05:02 < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `nftl.o': No such file or directory
05:02 < mnemoc> make[2]: *** [_modinst__] Error 1
05:02 < mnemoc> shit
05:02 < mnemoc> sorry
05:02 < mnemoc> sorry sorry sorry
05:03 < mnemoc> damn paste
05:03 < mnemoc> going back to the install issue before my massive flood :|...
05:04 < rxr> Caspar: where you think it fits best.  maybe a new one might be best. Since I do not want to introduce too many new features before 2.0
05:05 < Caspar> ok
05:05 < mnemoc> i think we can improve a process which analizes flists
05:05 < mnemoc> something adaptive...
05:06 < mnemoc> for example i we will not *install* the compiler (by config) ignore .a files
05:09 < rxr> you mean re-analysing the flists during the package selection during install ?
05:09 < mnemoc> when you build something a list of IO action is generated
05:10 < mnemoc> the owners of read file ar added to dependencies
05:11 < mnemoc> the write files are used to generate the tarball
05:12 < mnemoc> we need the dependencies as they are to assign priorities (building order)
05:13 < mnemoc> but we can re-analize it the generate a second list of dependencies
05:13 < mnemoc> in an smarter way
05:14 < mnemoc> but a guess for rock2.8 ;)
05:14 < mnemoc> s/a/i/
05:14 < Caspar> ok, i've to go to bed - or my son will wake up before i've slept one minute ;)
05:14 < mnemoc> we all have to sleep :)
05:15 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep too
05:15 < Caspar> my son will wake up in nearly 3 hours - short night today ;(
05:15 < Caspar> gn8
05:16 < mnemoc> good nights
05:16 < rxr> no not rock 2.0
05:16 < mnemoc> rock3?
05:17 < rxr> I'm not sure if this is really that necessary (only slows down the build) - but if people find it that important we can add it in 2.1 or even in 2.0 if there is too much need.
05:23 < mnemoc> i dont' see it a something 'much needed'
05:24 < mnemoc> in the worst case, the target mantainer can do a list a .gem files to install ;)
05:34 < mnemoc> did you include kopete?? ... thats funny :)
05:35 < mnemoc> copete is the informal way to say 'a drink'.. and was created by a friend of me
05:37 < rxr> ;-)
05:37 < rxr> but it fails to compile - need to fix it still ...
05:37 < rxr> has the checkout completed ?
05:38 < mnemoc> rene/emacs
05:38 < mnemoc> what order does it uses??
05:38 < mnemoc> now it's aspell
05:39 < rxr> mnemoc: don't now - mabe random as it is the database (like the files in a normal on-disk FS are spread rather randomly. See an unsorted ls ;-)
05:39 < mnemoc> package/clifford
05:39 < mnemoc> didn't fail
05:39 < rxr> mnemoc: patches gainst svn should be ok - I'll apply them ;-)
05:40 < rxr> maybe some protocol incompatibility: Just from #svn:
05:40 < rxr> 05:32 < BenC> yeah, but it seems that 0.20, 0.21 and 0.22 are all incompatible
05:40 < rxr> 05:32 < BenC> unless I missed something and 0.22 svnserve is compatible with 0.21 clients
05:40 < rxr> 05:33 < BenC> I know that 0.21/0.20 clients/svnserve in either condition are incompatible
05:40 < rxr> 05:33 < BenC> and 0.22 clients don't like my 0.21 server
05:40 < rxr> the windows tool was an binary ?
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05:40 < mnemoc> yes
05:41 < rxr> maybe too old ... ?!?
05:41 < rxr> I need sleep (very badly)
05:41 < mnemoc> downlaoded today... i'll check the date
05:41 < rxr> cu tomorrow
05:41 < mnemoc> good nights
05:41 < mnemoc> thanks for all
05:41 < rxr> good night over to you, too ;-)
05:42 < mnemoc> :>
05:42 < mnemoc> 23:42 here
05:42 < mnemoc> 21 Apr 2003 Version 0.9.2 of TortoiseSVN released! Built against Subversion 0.21
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10:38 < daja77> moin
10:55 < kasc> moin daja77
10:55 < daja77> hey kasc
10:57 < _NULL_> moin
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11:13 < daja77> moin tcr
11:19 < tcr> moin
11:19 < daja77> bbl ;)
11:24 < rxr> re
11:33 < tcr> how's going with subversion?
11:34 < rxr> works all fine up to now ;-)
11:34 < tcr> Do you know aegis? I found it yesterday occasionally
11:35 < tcr> aegis.sf.net
11:35 < rxr> The only problem I had sometimes is subversion complaining about an old version after deletes
11:36 < tcr> I'll take a look at the user guide of aegis later
11:47 < tcr> rxr: Hmm, will you be the 2.0 maintainer?
11:50 < rxr> ;-) tcr which email are you reading ?
11:51 < tcr> That was implied in one of the 200mails sent to the list when I was in holiday... couldn't find it again, hence the question..
11:52 < rxr> yes - I'll become most probably the 2.0 maintainer. Cliff wants to send an announcement for this out for some days now ...
11:52 < tcr> Gotcha!
11:52 < tcr> Pine.LNX.4.53.0304240309580.1120@apollo.home.clifford.at
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12:40 < A-Tui> hi
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12:50 < rxr> hi A-Tui
12:51 -!- franky is now known as senaxl
13:03 < A-Tui> hi rxr
13:13 < _NULL_> re
13:14 < A-Tui> i'm having problems with dosemu.... it can't use enveriroment variables
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14:00 < A-Tui> re
14:01 < _NULL_> wb A-Tui
14:01 < A-Tui> hola _NULL_
14:04 < A-Tui> _NULL_ dis you know any USENET Free Server?
14:04 < _NULL_> nope. sorry
14:05 < A-Tui> ok
14:09 < daja77> re
14:09 < daja77> A-Tui: http://freenews.maxbaud.net/faq.html#HARVEST
14:10 < daja77> http://www.teranews.com/
14:11 < daja77> http://news.cis.dfn.de/
14:12 < daja77> hth ;)
14:14 < A-Tui> daja77 tnx friend :)
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14:40 < daja77> *lol*
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14:52 < daja77> the angel is back
14:52 < daja77> welcome Lorini
14:52 < Lorini> hi daja77
14:53 < daja77> ;)
14:54 < Lorini> how are you today?
14:54 < daja77> fine, on drugs ;)
14:54 < Lorini> oh *g* tell me more..
14:54 < daja77> strong tea...
14:55 < Lorini> uh
14:55 < kasc> daja77: black tea?
14:55 < daja77> yesss
14:55 < kasc> could use some, too
14:56 < Lorini> my favourite tea is orange tea - unfortunately you can only get it in austria
14:57 < daja77> I prefer english tea...
14:57 < Lorini> mh.. igitt :)
14:57 < daja77> *puzzled*
14:58 < kasc> the english teas are known to be the qualitatively least valuable...
14:58 < daja77> kasc: explain
15:00 < kasc> the english teas are usually a mixture of rests
15:00 < daja77> kasc: have you ever been to england
15:00 < kasc> yep
15:01 < daja77> tried the tea there
15:01 < kasc> still yep
15:01 < daja77> didn't like them?
15:01 < kasc> i prefer Ostfriesentee or darjeeling
15:01 < kasc> i didnt say they taste bad, just they are qualitatively the least valuable ;)
15:02 < daja77> darjeeling why
15:02 < kasc> coz i like it :)
15:02 * daja77 not
15:03 < kasc> compared to what is in english teas they taste really good ;)
15:03 < blindcoder> moin moin
15:03 < daja77> I never noticed any taste in darjeeling
15:03 < daja77> moin blindcoder
15:04 < Lorini> darjeeling tastes.. hm. strange
15:04 < daja77> Lorini: ack
15:04 < kasc> moin blindcoder
15:05 < Lorini> moin blindcoder
15:05 * blindcoder wonders if he should go dancing today or net
15:06 < daja77> blindcoder: dance
15:06 < blindcoder> yeah, but no dance-partner there today or I wouldn't have to think twice about it :)
15:06 < kasc> darjeeling tastes lighter then most teas and is best cooked less then 2 minutes
15:07 < daja77> too light for me
15:07 < kasc> thats why there are so many teas ;)
15:08 < daja77> good, eh?
15:09 < kasc> hehe
15:09 * daja77 should by some green tea
15:11 * kasc doesnt like original green tea at all
15:12 < kasc> tastes like Seetang
15:13 < daja77> I like it since I got some wonderful green tea at a chinese retaurant
15:14 < kasc> once again a matter of taste ;)
15:14 < daja77> ack, bu I agree that there are bad green teas out there
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15:17 < _NULL_> blindcoder: whois the admin at bingo-ev?
15:18 * Lorini must have tried all these bad sorts of green tea...
15:18 < _NULL_> hi Lorini
15:18 < daja77> poor Lorini
15:19 < daja77> anyway I'll give it a try, if it is bad I'll switch dealer
15:19 < Lorini> lol
15:19 < daja77> maybe killing the old dealer before...
15:20 < Lorini> hrhr
15:20 < blindcoder> _NULL_: admin@bingo-ev.de why?
15:20 < _NULL_> blindcoder: ok. because i would like to change the sd[...]@bingo-ev.de adress
15:21 < blindcoder> _NULL_: for that you can direcly kick esden in the ass
15:21 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *g* ok... but he's sleeping (or so) since about two days...
15:21 < _NULL_> (comatose sleep?)
15:21 < blindcoder> he's at home
15:21 < _NULL_> ah so
15:21 < blindcoder> so it's really something like that :)
15:22 < daja77> _NULL_: to change into what?
15:22 < _NULL_> a comatose sleep ? ;)
15:22 < blindcoder> daja77: grep /etc/aliases 'sd....:'
15:22 < _NULL_> daja77: to chance into anothermailadress@bingo-ev.de
15:22 < daja77> *puzzled*
15:22 < blindcoder> daja77: sd....: /dev/null
15:22 < daja77> _NULL_: but it is so long... *g*
15:23 < _NULL_> daja77: bad luck ;)
15:23 < blindcoder> MUAHA! I like my suspicious-mail-filter :)
15:23 < daja77> _NULL_: ahem not that I have to use that address ;)
15:25 < _NULL_> daja77: bll :p
15:26 < daja77> I finally made it, _NULL_ hates me ;)
15:29 < blindcoder> hehe, that's not too hard to accomplish
15:29 < daja77> blindcoder: ack
15:29 < kasc> daja77: when you kill that dealer, could you send me some of his tea afterwards? :)
15:30 < daja77> kasc: do you think that if I kill a dealer who has tea I don't like, you'll like his teas?
15:30 < kasc> so thats a 'yes'? :)
15:31 < daja77> hmm, I could give him your address instead of killing him
15:34 < kasc> i did not intend paying anything...
15:35 < kasc> just want his teas ;)
15:35 < daja77> ic, ok that'll be the deal ;)
15:36 < kasc> :)
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16:01 < blindcoder> ah well, I'l go dancing. Can still go somewhere else if nobody's there.
16:01 < blindcoder> baba
16:01 < daja77> have fun blindcoder
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17:31 < tcr> re all
17:59 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9588DC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:59 < tsa> hi all
18:00 < daja77> hi tsa (from the off...)
18:01 < tsa> hi daja77
18:03 < _NULL_> hi tsa
18:04 < tsa> hi owl
18:04 < tsa> hm...
18:04 < tsa> 5-bug-buddy22.err  5-galeon12.err  5-gnomemm-all20.err  5-sylpheed.err
18:04 < tsa> 5-cups.err         5-gimp14.err    5-lm_sensors.err     5-tcltk.err
18:04 < tsa> rxr: ?
18:05 * mnemoc is back [gone:12hrs 21mins 50secs] : [ back ]
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18:06 < tcr> ??
18:06 < tsa> hm...
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18:08 < kasc> re
18:08 < tsa> hi kasc
18:09 < kasc> hi tsa
18:10 * tcr is taking a shower
18:10 < tcr> brr, tomorrow monday again >:/
18:12 < mnemoc> do you chat while taking a shower?
18:13 < tcr> Yes, you don't?
18:13 < mnemoc> my computer is not waterproof :(
18:14 < tcr> Well, speech recognising software and text reading software ;)
18:14 < tcr> Eh, no I'm not yet showering
18:15 < mnemoc> :>
18:16 < tcr> It's kinda great idea though... might be a test worth
18:17 < kasc> wouldnt work
18:17 < tcr> yeah the bursting of the douche...
18:17 < kasc> its more the noise it makes. it should work when having a bath, tho
18:18 < tcr> Yup I'm talking bout the noise
18:18 < tcr> nevertheless, I'm away now
18:43 < tcr> tsa: Argh.
18:46 < tcr> tsa: here?
18:56 < tsa> yes
18:57 < tcr> tsa: that subversion thing is a temporary test
18:58 < tcr> tsa: to find out if it might be a replacement for CVS in close future
18:59 < mnemoc> but svn tree is more 'up-to-date' than cvs' one
18:59 < tcr> No, there's not 'a svn tree', there's only an 'rxr's private svn tree' (well, if I understood him correctly, that's it)
19:00 < mnemoc> rxr's private tree is more stable than cvs' one ;)
19:01 < tcr> that will change when rxr sends his weekly(?) changes to clifford
19:02 < tcr> tsa: nevermind, it's not bad that you brought that topic up -- it has to be discussed anyway
19:08 < mnemoc> i think, at least, rene shall have write access
19:11 < tcr> None except for the maintainer (and a possible co-maintainer) should have write access. Decent RCSs are capable of that and doesn't limit all other developer
19:12 < tcr> developers
19:13 < tcr> CVS does _not_ grant that. I don't know about subversion
19:15 < mnemoc> can't you give access to just one directory?
19:16 < tcr> Well the point is rather that it makes maintaining a bit harder, well that means for clifford's perceiption
19:17 < tcr> He wants to keep on track of everything...
19:17 < tcr> ...and wants to have his hand over everything
19:18 < mnemoc> :|
19:18 < tcr> a I-determine-what-gets-in-and-what-not-man
19:19 < mnemoc> it's his 'toy'
19:19 < tcr> I share that with him however ;)
19:19 < mnemoc> :> .. avoid chaos
19:20 < mnemoc> BBL..
19:20 * mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] : [ lunch ]
19:20 < tcr> Yup. Do you know how it's managed with the kernel and bk?
19:20 < tcr> bon appettite
19:20 < tcr> -t
19:54 < rxr> tcr: I send daily changes ;-)
19:54 < rxr> re btw ;-)
19:54 < daja77> re rxr
19:55 < rxr> the svn thing is the preparation for the stable tree maintained by me ...
19:55 < rxr> so it is semi-official
19:57 < daja77> does this mean that rock really will have a stable and unstable tree instead of two unstable ones?
19:57 < tcr> rxr: aegis looks really appetizing tho... did you take a look already?
19:58 < rxr> tcr: only briefly.
19:58 < tcr> rxr: spend the 15mins and read trough chapter 2 of the user guide
19:59 < tcr> rxr: I'd explain it to you, but it's quite complex and I'm lazy (and as you can read it just yourself, there's no real point in it anyway)
19:59 < rxr> tcr: ;-) But not within the next days. I have too much to do ...
19:59 < rxr> tcr: I'll read it - can you remeber me in some days ?
20:00 < tcr> rxr: Hmm, I might write a mail to the list (as a reply to tsa's mail)
20:01 < tcr> rxr: and shortly describe within that mail -- but yeah, will remind you
20:05 < blindcoder> hi all
20:05 < daja77> hi blindcoder, how was dancing?
20:06 < blindcoder> dancisg was boring... almost no one was there
20:06 < _NULL_> hi blindcoder
20:06 < blindcoder> So I left early and deflorated my new inline Skate Bearings and Tires :)
20:06 < blindcoder> hi nully :)
20:07 < tcr> re blindcoder
20:07 < blindcoder> re tcr
20:07 < tcr> you nick is so incredibly long >_<
20:07 < daja77> tcr: tab rulez
20:07 < blindcoder> tcr: tab-completion?
20:08 < tcr> Yeah, but long nicks are just unesthetic
20:09 < daja77> muhahahaha
20:09 < blindcoder> well, crash was already taken on OPN
20:09 < Lorini> http://www.kranke-kundin.de.vu/
20:09 < tcr> If it'd go according to me, no nicks greater than 4 nicks, and should be consisted of the initials of one's name ;)
20:10 < blindcoder> tcr: luckily you don't have somehting to say about it :D
20:11 * tcr is the great dictator! unfortunately he lacks on suckers who follow him ;)
20:11 < daja77> tcr: my initials do not require my standards on nicks
20:12 < blindcoder> Lorini: your new homepage? :D
20:12 < tcr> would be funny if one has a name with the initials s, e and x *g*
20:12 < tcr> or..
20:13 < tcr> b,o,f and h...
20:13 < tcr> Bernhard Oliver-Friedrich Haelke or something ;)
20:13 < daja77> lol
20:19 < tcr> hmm, anyone knows what's today in tv?
20:21 < daja77> crap, crap & more crap
20:21 < blindcoder> a Bug's Life
20:22 < daja77> blindcoder: ??
20:22 < blindcoder> daja77: today on TV. A Bug's Life.
20:22 < blindcoder> Sadly is the best Movie today >_<
20:22 < daja77> what is it?
20:22 < blindcoder> Not that I'd watch TV, my parents just told me
20:22 < blindcoder> It's a full-animated Movie made by Disney IIRC
20:22 < daja77> hehehe
20:22 < daja77> *argh*
20:23 < tcr> Only crap, you're right
20:23 < tsa> rxr: can you please add cksums to the e17 packages?
20:24 < tsa> i'm experiencing problems here because the cvs checkout's weren't complete...
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20:31 < blindcoder> Lorini: hehe, i wwonder if I could do the same by looking through our Hell Desks Call-DB :D
20:32 < Lorini> do it :)
20:36 < blindcoder> rxr: do you already have a solutien for perllocal.pod in imagemagick gtk-perl10 and irssi? The one that's present doesn't fix it...
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20:50 < jhidalgo> hi!, anybody awake ?
20:51 < blindcoder> nah
20:51 < thalerim> Partly, yes
20:51 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr
20:52 < jhidalgo> ok, I want your recommendation for ldap books, I want to buy one!
20:59 < tcr> No idea
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21:07 < root> hi all
21:07 < tsa> ircing as root is dangerous..
21:07 < tcr> hi root. Do you know that it's normally not disreable to irc with root?
21:08 * blindcoder points to root, puzzled betwenn strange look and hearty laughter
21:08 < root> daja77: hi teacher :)
21:08 < root> it s wartix
21:08 < root> okk ll comming back :)
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21:09 < tcr> blindcoder: how have you finally decided?
21:09 -!- wartix [~wartix@222.236-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #rocklinux
21:09 < senaxl> ircing as UID==0 is dangerous :)
21:09 < wartix> well i m back :)
21:10 < tcr> senaxl: Do I hear an implication of bad experience out of that? ;)
21:10 < tsa> hi wartix ;)
21:10 < wartix> hi tsa
21:10 < _NULL_> re
21:10 < blindcoder> tcr: strange look:)
21:11 < wartix> the rocklinux team can teach programming ? or a project for newbie ?
21:11 < senaxl> franky@lapetus franky $ id root
21:11 < senaxl> uid=65534(root) gid=65534(root) Gruppen=65534(root)
21:11 < senaxl> franky@lapetus franky $
21:11 < senaxl> :)
21:12 < blindcoder> security by obscurity?
21:12 < tcr> bofh got 0 ?
21:12 < senaxl> blindcoder: why?
21:13 < tcr> wartix: How do you mean?
21:13 < blindcoder> senaxl: cause root != UID 0
21:13 < senaxl> blindcoder: where is the problem?
21:13 < tcr> Well, we must be careful on this!
21:14 < blindcoder> senaxl: did I say it's a problem?
21:14 < tcr> 'root' is often just assumed with 'may-do-everything'
21:14 < senaxl> yes :)
21:14 < tcr> but here it's just the name for an user
21:14 < senaxl> ack :)
21:14 < wartix> tcr : i want to learn programming but i need help or someone for doing a teamproject with me and some other
21:14 < tcr> and that can be seen as security as obscurity
21:15 < senaxl> no :)
21:15 < tcr> by obscurity
21:15 < wartix> tcr : in first connect i was on root => if u don t configure your client irc he take the nick of your connection
21:15 < senaxl> why?
21:15 < tcr> wartix: What language are going to learn?
21:15 < wartix> c/c++
21:16 < tcr> wartix: anyway, you should never do anything with root ;)
21:16 < blindcoder> senaxl: because it's 'only' causing confusion.
21:16 < senaxl> blindcoder: $ grep "root" /etc/passwd
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21:16 < holyolli> moin
21:17 < blindcoder> moin holyolli
21:17 < holyolli> moin blindcoder
21:17 < wartix> tcr : i have already some lessons of delphy and pascal
21:17 < tcr> wartix: Well, then buy a book (or borrow one from your local bibliotheque) read it, do all the tasks within it
21:17 < _NULL_> hi holyolli !
21:17 < holyolli> hu _null_
21:17 < holyolli> hi even
21:17 < wartix> holyolli : hi
21:17 < holyolli> hi wartix
21:17 < tcr> Oh my god, it's the holy olli!
21:18 < holyolli> *g* hi tcr
21:18 < tcr> He's so cute in his priest robe!
21:18 < holyolli> .oO(damn..did i let the webcam switched on...? ;-)
21:19 * tcr is god. I can see everything everywhere. Heh, yeah you got me right, I'm watching you!
21:19 < blindcoder> rxr: should I bother sending a patch for irssi gtk-porl10 and imagemagick (perllocal.pod) that uses the postflist hook to remove perllocal.pod from hte flist?
21:20 * holyolli is just checking ev'ry corner in his room for cams...
21:20 < wartix> wich p2p did you use for take mp3 under linux  ( napster , winmx , ... like )
21:20 < tcr> Cold... Colder... even colder...
21:21 < blindcoder> wartix: I use XMMS to save Radio-Streams to disk
21:22 < tcr> I go into a music store when I wanna get music ;)))
21:22 < wartix> lol
21:22 < tcr> (RIAA is like god, they're watching us too!)
21:22 < tcr> wartix: I usually use slsk for music
21:22 < blindcoder> tcr: heh. I'm not going to pay 40 US$ + shipping and handling for a 11-track CD
21:24 * mnemoc is back [gone:2hrs 4mins 22secs] : [ back ]
21:24 < tcr> wartix: Has your nick anything to do with some role in Asterix&Obelix? (though the names quite distinguish among different countries)
21:25 < daja77> tcr: lol, some thought as me
21:25 < daja77> re btw
21:26 < wartix> tcr: no  its a young player nick i have made and i hold it originaly " war " for war and "tix" it s a toxic degeasant ( sorry for mi english )
21:28 < tcr> No problem with your english...
21:29 < wartix> tcr: slsk work under linux ?
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21:31 < wartix> hum :)
21:31 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has joined #rocklinux
21:31 < holyolli> re...
21:31 < tsa> hehe
21:31 < tcr> re wartix, holyolli
21:31 < tcr> holyolli: Have you found your controlling terminal again?
21:31 < wartix> someone see the movie " antitrust ?
21:31 < holyolli> tcr: jepp... ;)
21:32 < _NULL_> wb holyolli
21:32 < tcr> No I didn't. I don't go regularly in cinema, at most for lotr
21:33 < daja77> hi holyolli
21:33 < daja77> I recently saw "goodbye lenin"
21:34 < tcr> I wonder if that comes in belgium ;)
21:35 < daja77> hmm would be good ;)
21:36 < wartix> tcr : you are not germain ?
21:36 < tcr> Sure I am
21:36 < wartix> in belgium ?
21:37 < tcr> No... that sentence was directed to you actually ;)
21:37 < tcr> s,directed,related,
21:38 < tcr> Do you belong to the french speaking or to the flemish speaking people?
21:38 < wartix> french
21:39 * tfing waves :)
21:39 < daja77> hi tfing
21:39 < tcr> hehe
21:39 < tfing> hi all
21:39 < wartix> hi tfing
21:39 < daja77> bonsoir tfing et wartix ;)
21:39 < tfing> hehe
21:40 < wartix> yeah bonsoir
21:41 < blindcoder> nice... the whole "nikolaus" rep doesn't pass the Para-Check
21:41 < daja77> wartix: vous avez bien?
21:41 < tcr> 8)
21:41 < mnemoc> Para-Check? whats that?
21:41 < daja77> blindcoder: sounds that you like to hear that?
21:41 < blindcoder> Paranoia-Checks.
21:41 < blindcoder> daja77: not really...
21:41 * tfing suggests daja77 to put ll instead of the v
21:42 < daja77> tfing: ??
21:42 < blindcoder> mnemoc: Checks for eample completeness of *.desc and correctness of categories and such things
21:42 < tcr> daja77: allez ;)
21:42 < tfing> < daja77> wartix: vous avez bien? <- "vous allez bien" is better :)
21:42 < mnemoc> thanks :)
21:42 < daja77> tfing: merci ;)
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21:44 < daja77> I guess my french is lousy had not much traing since leaving school...
21:45 < wartix> daja77: it s the same for my english
21:45 < daja77> hehe good match
21:45 < tcr> Well, then better never go to france...
21:46 < tcr> they're quite picky about that
21:47 < daja77> tcr: nope, they were friendly to me
21:47 < tcr> That means, if you say something in french in france, it should be gramatically correct and decently spoken
21:47 < daja77> tcr: no
21:47 * tfing agrees with daja77 
21:48 * daja77 has been in france several times, and have other experiences than tcr
21:48 < tcr> It's the fad of frenchmen
21:49 < tcr> Their language count very much for them, that's so :)
21:49 < holyolli> cu all
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21:50 < tcr> bbl
21:50 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E4946A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos")
21:51 < daja77> tfing, wartix don't listen to tcr, he is weird sometimes
21:51 < mnemoc> can i do a diff excluding the difference in lines with some patern?
21:51 < tfing> ^_^
21:51 < mnemoc> a diff between to diffs ignore the different 'dates'?
21:52 < wartix> daja77: what do you mean ?
21:52 < daja77> the things he said about french, I'm wondering if you ever had spoken french in France
21:53 < wartix> daja77: i m from belgium and i speak french :)
21:53 < daja77> wartix, I know, but tfing is from france
21:54 < wartix> daja77 : he originaly comes from sweden => he have some difficult"ies" for speaking french ;)
21:54 < daja77> lol
21:55 < daja77> you come from sweden, and tfing is in sweden...
21:55 < tfing> who comes from sweden ?
21:55 < wartix> arg i made a mistake :)
21:55 < wartix> it s tfing
21:55 < daja77> wartix: ??
21:56 < tfing> i have some difficulties to speak french !?
21:56 < wartix> daja77 tcr is from germany
21:56 < daja77> right
21:56 < wartix> no sorry y switch tcr and tfing in my mind
21:56 < tfing> oh :)
21:56 < daja77> hehe tfing watch out
21:56 < wartix> ;)
21:57 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
21:57 < A-Tui> hi all
21:57 < daja77> hi A-Tui
21:57 < A-Tui> hola daja77
21:58 < A-Tui> how are you?
21:58 < daja77> disturbed
21:58 < A-Tui> why?
21:58 < tsa> hi A-Tui
21:58 < daja77> to many chats with women today...
21:58 < daja77> too
21:59 < A-Tui> hi tsa
21:59 < A-Tui> daja77: hehe that's good... i think
21:59 < daja77> not my day, I guess
21:59 < wartix> hi A-Tui
21:59 < A-Tui> hi wartix
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22:00 < A-Tui> daja77: then you now need relax
22:00 < A-Tui> :)
22:00 < A-Tui> hola jose
22:00 < jose> hey guys, what rock has for dns querys ?, I cannot find host, dig, nslookup !
22:00 < daja77> A-Tui: any hints?
22:00 < jose> A-Tui: hi!
22:00 < tsa> bind
22:00 < daja77> tsa: for queries?
22:00 < tsa> jose: that's all in the bind package
22:00 < tsa> daja77: yes. we suck.
22:01 < A-Tui> daja77: a good book
22:01 < A-Tui> a good film
22:01 < daja77> nice idea
22:01 < A-Tui> i like read phylosophy when i'm disturbed :)
22:02 < wartix> me i take a girl and after i  m cool :)
22:02 < daja77> i like reading terry pratchett or something like this when I'm in this mood
22:02 < daja77> wartix: tell me more...
22:03 < jose> I like to read some richard stevens book always!
22:03 < A-Tui> daja77: whatever thing which makes you forgot the world is nice
22:03 < daja77> jose: hell yeah good stuff
22:03 < tsa> ACK!
22:03 < wartix> daja77 : when i m """""bad""" i go get a pretty girl and after i didn t still """bad"""
22:04 < daja77> wartix: get me one ;)
22:04 < tsa> hehe
22:04 < A-Tui> hehe
22:04 < tsa> daja77: take _NULL_ ;-)
22:04 < daja77> tsa: no thx
22:04 < wartix> did you have a cat daja77 it s working too
22:04 < wartix> lol
22:05 < jose> who is the hosting bussines here ? or isp ?
22:05 < daja77> wartix: I don't wanna pets in here, you know
22:05 < A-Tui> daja77: you don't like pets?
22:05 < jose> A-Tui: ya te hicieron el examen ?
22:05 < wartix> daja77 : what does pets mean ?
22:05 < daja77> A-Tui: not really
22:05 < A-Tui> jose: aun no, estoy en ello, he de entregarlas el 10 de Mayo
22:05 < daja77> wartix: animals which you have in the house
22:06 < A-Tui> i love cats
22:06 < daja77> I sort of like them too, but don't wanna have one
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22:06 < wartix> daja77: put a cup of milk out and be quick :)
22:07 < daja77> hmmm have some sour mild over...
22:09 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE218EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux
22:09 < daja77> wb Lorini
22:09 < jose> esden: are you awake ?
22:12 < daja77> wartix: where do you live in belgium?
22:12 < wartix> daja77: i born in namur and now i m near marche
22:13 < daja77> marche, never heard of it
22:13 < wartix> laroche ?
22:13 < daja77> no
22:13 < wartix> in luxembourg in ardenne
22:13 < daja77> ah ic
22:13 < daja77> do you know ruddur?
22:14 < _NULL_> tsa:  *kick*
22:14 < tsa> hehe
22:14 < wartix> daja77 rudur no in wich country
22:14 < daja77> belgium
22:15 < wartix> daja77 in flandre ?
22:15 < daja77> charleroi
22:15 < wartix> daja77 no didn t know
22:15 < A-Tui> hehe in the freedos web, there is an option to choose USA Spanish? Which spanish is that?
22:15 < daja77> he didn't show up recently
22:16 < _NULL_> tsa: becaus of you're enyoing it you will be moved to /dev/hell
22:16 < tsa> .oO( still better than getting moved to /dev/_NULL_ )
22:16 < wartix> daja77 : rudur = nick ?
22:16 < daja77> yepp, http://www.ruddur.net ;)
22:17 < wartix> daja77 did you play cs ?
22:17 < daja77> nope
22:17 < _NULL_> tsa: :p
22:18 < daja77> A-Tui: american spanish ;)
22:18 < A-Tui> hehe but not USA :)
22:18 < wartix> i want to install rock linux but i have heavy problem whith devfs nanming device where can i found doc ?
22:19 < daja77> wartix: which device?
22:19 < jose> wartix: you can use ln over /dev/ :]
22:19 < wartix> usb modem and mouse
22:21 < daja77> they'll appear automatically when used
22:21 < wartix> ok will earase xp partition and forget simplicity :)
22:22 < daja77> simplicity, windows in one sentence, strange
22:22 < wartix> lol
22:23 < wartix> daja77 i m a noobzor in linux so ...
22:23 < daja77> wartix: never mind, you'll get it
22:23 < jose> *: how can i transfer zones with dig!?, I can't remember!
22:24 < tfing> jose: host -l ?
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22:27 < mnemoc> can i do a diff excluding the difference in lines with some patern? (ignore date difference for example)
22:28 < daja77> Mike1: ping
22:29 < tfing> costa rica is far away, ping takes a lot of time :)
22:29 < wartix> :)
22:30 < daja77> yeah seems to be so
22:30 < wartix> ll going to sleep bye all see u tomorow
22:30 < tfing> he has idle for 22h too :)
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22:30 < daja77> wartix: gn8
22:30 < daja77> damn
22:30 < jose> !ping
22:31 < jose> mnemoc: --line-format maybe!, or you will need some tee's, sed's and grep's !
22:32 < mnemoc> i'll read about --line-format :)
22:32 < jose> tfing: I don't think I've slow connection!
22:33 < tfing> jose: that was just a joke of Mike1 not responding ;)
22:33 < jose> tfing: ok!   CTCP PING reply from tfing: 1.003 seconds
22:34 >>> [~mnemoc@200.75.27.13] requested CTCP PING from #rocklinux: 1051475717
22:35 < jose> mnemoc: you see!, I'm not slow!
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22:49 < _NULL_> mnemoc: ?
22:51 -!- daja77_ [~daja77@212.144.72.186] has joined #rocklinux
22:51 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-170-095.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
22:52 -!- daja77_ is now known as daja77
22:54 < mnemoc> _NULL_ ?
22:54 < _NULL_> why did you ctcp pinged my?
22:54 < _NULL_> me
22:55 < mnemoc> jose was talking about pings and i ping the channel.. sorry to bother you
22:55 < _NULL_> ah so
22:55 < _NULL_> ok.
22:55 < mnemoc> :)
23:00 < _NULL_> <-- sleeping. gn8
23:00 < mnemoc> nights
23:00 < daja77> gn8 _NULL_
23:03 < A-Tui> cu later, i'm goint to test a FreeDos boot floopy
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23:06 < esden> hi all
23:06 < daja77> hi esden
23:06 < mnemoc> hi
23:07 < daja77> esden: how are you?
23:08 < tsa> hi esden
23:10 < esden> I am fine thanks ... I have to dig through my e-mals now ... >_<
23:10 < rxr> hi all hi esden
23:10 * daja77 should have too, don't wanna
23:11 < daja77> re rxr ;)
23:12 < tsa> hi esden, rxr
23:15 < daja77> what do you think should I buy one of those used machines, for fun?
23:15 < daja77> >eine HP9000/710 mit 64MB RAM (Parity), 50MHz PA-RISC CPU,
23:15 < daja77> >1GB SCSI HDD, Caddy-CDROM, HIL-Tastatur und Maus,
23:15 < daja77> >onboard: SCSI, Sound, Ethernet, Grafik.
23:15 < daja77> and
23:15 < daja77> >40MHz SuperSPARC (II?) -CPU, 32MB RAM (parity), Floppy, 1GB SCSI HDD,
23:15 < daja77> >onboard: Ethernet, SCSI. SBUS-Grafikkarte, Tastatur, Maus.
23:16 < tsa> hm..
23:16 < tsa> which kind of sparc?
23:16 < daja77> it is a hyundai sparc, sparc2
23:16 < tsa> how much would it cost?
23:17 < daja77> I'd have to give a "gebot"
23:17 < tsa> i see
23:17 < tsa> you'll probably need an 13w3->vga adaptor
23:18 < daja77> is it easy to get one?
23:18 < tsa> for the machine - not more than 30 eur
23:18 < daja77> ok
23:18 < tsa> shouldn't be too difficult, but they tend to be somewhat expensive
23:19 < tsa> paid about 15 eur for mine - before i got a sun CRT ;)
23:19 < daja77> 30 euro for the sparc machine, ok, and the other one (should run linux as advertised)
23:20 < tsa> don't know, i'm not familar with hp stuff
23:20 * daja77 neither
23:20 < rxr> esden: we need to get rid of the topic
23:20 < rxr> could you set a usefull one ?
23:20 < daja77> rxr: why?
23:22 < rxr> daja77: the 1.5 tree is not that actual / useable ...
23:22 < daja77> ack
23:23 < rxr> so the hint to the CVS repository can be removed from the topic
23:23 < daja77> tsa: this guy is offering an Apple II as well ;)
23:23 < rxr> maybe s.th. like "ROCK Linux aproaching 2.0 - join now" or s.th.
23:24 < daja77> oh I forgot one offer
23:24 < rxr> but I can not set a topic here
23:24 < tsa> 7topic ROCK Linux aproaching 2.0 - wait for 2.1 at least ;)
23:24 * tsa giggles
23:24 < rxr> tsa: huh ?? Why?
23:24 < tsa> rxr: just kidding..
23:24 < rxr> 7ignore tsa
23:24 < tsa> hehe
23:25 < daja77> what about this one?
23:25 < daja77> >IBM RS/6000 Modell 41T mit PowerPC 601 (80MHz), 32MB RAM (Parity),
23:25 < daja77> >2GB SCSI HDD, SCSI CDROM, Floppy, onboard: SCSI, Ethernet.
23:25 < daja77> >Grafikkarte: PowerGXT 150L (auf eigenem Hochgeschwindigkeitssteckplatz,
23:25 < daja77> >so eine Art AGP ;), Bussystem: Microchannel (noch gut erweiterbar),
23:25 < daja77> >fuer Tastatur/Maus sind PS/2-Anschluesse vorhanden.
23:25 < tsa> 5-bug-buddy22.err  5-ghex12.err         5-gnumeric12.err  5-tcltk.err
23:25 < tsa> 5-cups.err         5-gimp14.err         5-lm_sensors.err
23:25 < tsa> 5-galeon12.err     5-gnomemm-all20.err  5-sylpheed.err
23:25 < tsa> hm..
23:25 < tsa> build still running
23:26 < tsa> rxr: just read your mail regarding patches..
23:26 < tsa> ..is clifford offline or awaay for some time?
23:26 < rxr> no - but very busy ...
23:26 < tsa> i see
23:27 < rxr> so currently I do not know if it helps when I apply all - or if it makes merging harder ...
23:27 < esden> urgh ... that are many mails >_<
23:28 < daja77> around 160 for me
23:28 < rxr> esden: could you set a nicer topic here?
23:29 < daja77> tsa: forget about the last one, it is aix only
23:30 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
23:32 < tsa> rxr: short question - gcc 3.2.3 for ROCK 2.0?
23:32 < tsa> or better keep the tree stable?
23:33 < tfing> tsa: i think he wrote about using 3.3
23:33 < tsa> i see.
23:34 < daja77> wb A-Tui
23:34 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
23:34 < tfing> |"For the desktop target I plan to use
23:34 < tfing> |3.3 for the final release, but the current gcc-snapshot does not like
23:35 < tfing> our cross-compile ... :-("
23:35 < A-Tui> re daja77
23:38 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
23:39 <@esden> that is ok I think
23:39 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
23:46 < daja77> nice topic
23:47 * daja77 still wondering how this client managed to set the last topic
23:49 < mnemoc> "book your copy now!"
23:51 < esden> hehe ... daja77 ???
23:52 < daja77> esden: somehow xchat set the last topic, without being me op or something
23:54 -!- tsa changed the topic of #rocklinux to: huh?
23:54 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
23:54 < tsa> hm..
23:54 < tsa> indeed.
23:55 < daja77> it is a feature I guess
23:55 < rxr> jups
23:55 -!- tsa changed the topic of #rocklinux to: esden: /mode #rocklinux +t
23:55 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
23:55 < daja77> I somehow managed it...
23:55 < daja77> without ever wanting to do this
23:56 < tsa> esden!
23:56 < esden> tsa: yaya
23:56 < tsa> ;)
23:56 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
23:56 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+t] by esden
23:56 <@esden> tsa: better ?
23:56 < tsa> --- #rocklinux :You need to be a channel operator to do that
23:56 < tsa> good.
23:57 < tsa> thx
23:57 <@esden> puhh
23:58 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
23:58 <@esden> humm ...
23:58 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o tsa] by esden
23:58 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o tsa] by ChanServ
23:58 <@esden> hehe nice
23:58 < tsa> :-P
23:58 <@esden> :P
23:58 * tsa removes life operator status from esden
23:59 <@esden> muahaha ... now I am a zombie
23:59 < daja77> what does +t mean
23:59 < rxr> I'm allready at "Revision 28" in my svn tree ;-)
23:59 < tsa> daja77: topic may only be changed by chennel operators
23:59 < tsa> s,e,a,
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