--- Log opened Tue Apr 29 00:00:27 2003
--- Day changed Tue Apr 29 2003
00:00 < daja77> oh shit day changed O_o
00:00 < esden> yes it has 
00:00 < esden> I still have an hour to do stuff ;-)
00:01 < _NULL_> esden: huh?
00:01 < daja77> esden: my $other_client never told me such nice things
00:04 < esden> ohh irssi
00:04 < esden> what have you used before?
00:05 < mnemoc> six pm. here ;)
00:05 < mnemoc> lot of 'day' to work
00:05 * daja77 whispers: xchat
00:06 < esden> mnemoc: my condoleces
00:06 * mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] [gone:17hrs 12mins 11secs] : [ lunch ]
00:07 < _NULL_> guess mnemoc can eat _very_ much
00:07 * mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] [gone:17hrs 13mins 12secs] : [ lunch ]
00:07 < _NULL_> *aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh* public away scriptc are really annoying
00:07 * mnemoc is back [gone:17hrs 13mins 34secs] : [ back ]
00:08 < esden> _NULL_: ACK
00:08 < mnemoc> i now :(
00:08 < daja77> _NULL_: full ack
00:08 < esden> mnemoc: can you switch it off please?
00:08 < _NULL_> mnemoc: thx ;)
00:08 < mnemoc> :)
00:09 < _NULL_> + in advance
00:12 * mnemoc had disabled that crap :D
00:12 < daja77> congrats
00:12 * mnemoc is now a bit better person
00:14 < _NULL_> *g*
00:15 < daja77> better a bit, or so so .oO
00:18 < esden> mnemoc: congrats!!! ;-)
00:19 < mnemoc> now.. i just need to change outlook express to be a sane-person
00:19 < esden> o_O
00:19 < daja77> waahaa, emergency call send out
00:19 < mnemoc> :|
00:20 < capchaos> mnemoc, spit it out spit it out
00:20 < daja77> attention kids: outlook is not a mailer, it is a fake
00:21 < esden> daja77: it is also a hoak that outlook can manage mails ;-)
00:21 < esden> hoax even
00:21 < _NULL_> one word can make the whole channel complaining ;p
00:21 < esden> _NULL_: hehe ;-)
00:21 < capchaos> like those fake id cards you get when you buy a new purse - that's outlook
00:22 < mnemoc> haha
00:22 < esden> capchaos: FULL ACK ... but they are for free ;-)
00:22 < capchaos> free your mind, give me all your money ;-)
00:22 < daja77> _NULL_: yes, this has a reason, btw it were three words
00:23 < _NULL_> daja77: blll :p
00:23 < esden> _NULL_ should be sent to preschool again to learn counting ;-)
00:23 * -> esden hiding
00:23 < daja77> accounting
00:24 * _NULL_ takes a _laaaaaaaarge_ sword and kills esden !
00:24 < capchaos> hehe i will become teacher then ;-)
00:24 < esden> and make her cisco certificate ;-)
00:24 < _NULL_> esden: what about cisco?
00:24 < daja77> do you know what MSCE means?
00:25 < esden> I only know MCSE ...
00:25 < daja77> MCSE even
00:25 * -> esden was faster *blll*
00:25 < _NULL_> microsoft certifi[...] engineer?
00:25 < daja77> nope, Must Consult Someone Experienced
00:26 < _NULL_> hehe ;) ok...
00:26 < esden> MineSweeper Certified Engineer
00:26 < daja77> lol
00:26 < _NULL_> this people are so sick ;)
00:26 < tfing> :)
00:26 < daja77> _NULL_: of course?
00:26 < daja77> tfing: hi
00:27 < tfing> hi
00:27 * -> esden needs a faster connection ... or the servers hosting package sources should be faster ... >_<
00:27 < _NULL_> esden: faster than ...?
00:27 < daja77> light
00:27 < _NULL_> hi tfing
00:30 < esden> _NULL_: 90744.630 bytes/sec
00:30 < esden> 123860.854 bytes/sec
00:30 < esden> that all is too slow
00:30 < _NULL_> esden:  hm.
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00:32 < daja77> poor esden *angry looking*
00:41 < esden> hmm ... making the uclibc package is fun ;-)
00:42 < esden> it has the same configuration system the kernel has
00:42 < daja77> the same with rtai
00:43 < _NULL_> <-- sleeping
00:43 < _NULL_> gn8
00:44 < daja77> n8 _NULL_
00:44 < daja77> damn that A-tui can't speak german :(
00:44 < esden> daja77: why?
00:45 < daja77> fefe did such a funny rant about docbook, which harrassed A-tui some days ago
00:49 < Caspar> hi
00:49 < Caspar> what means: ./scripts/Download -all
00:49 < Caspar> ERROR: Unknown file: cantus-1.06-1.tar.gz.
00:49 < daja77> esden: want it as mail?
00:56 < tsa> where did he?
00:56 < tsa> From: Felix von Leitner <usenet-20030428@fefe.de>
00:56 < tsa> Newsgroups: de.alt.sysadmin.recovery
00:56 < tsa> Subject: Ist DocBook wirklich so beschissen?
00:56 < tsa> Message-ID: <3eada3b8@fefe.de>
00:57 < daja77> yes, it is not on google this time, so I can't post a link here
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01:07 < esden> daja77: please sond it to me
01:07 < daja77> ok
01:07 < daja77> esden@rocklinux.org ?
01:07 < esden> ack
01:08 * -> esden loves fefe humor ;-)
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01:08 * daja77 too
01:08 < daja77> mail sent
01:09 < esden> thanks
01:22 < daja77> esden, all gn8
01:23 < esden> n8 daja77 
01:23 < daja77> have fun ;)
01:23 < esden> ok ... I will have to continue m4 learning tomorrow
01:23 < esden> >_<
01:23 < esden> I hate the flow of time >_<
01:23 < daja77> ack
01:24 < tfing> [1]+  Stopped time
01:24 < esden> good night
01:24 < tfing> nite esden
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01:41 < tsa> cu all
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02:28 < tfing> how do you say open source in german ?
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02:30 < scab> hi
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02:55 < george> hi there.
02:55 < george> Rene, awake?
03:11 < saight> hi george
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06:37 < blindcoder> moin
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07:05 < rxr> 0~re
07:12 < kasc> moin
07:20 < rxr> Committed revision 47.
07:23 < rxr> cu
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08:12 < starlord> where can i get infodir/packages file as the install_bin uses it but i don't have it,also i'm using snapshot tar file
08:14 < starlord> also how easy it's to change Download script to use wget,it seem's to be that all popular rescue iso's have only that
08:29 < esden> good morning
08:34 < starlord> morning esden
09:19 < esden> cu all 
09:34 < rxr> re
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09:37 < blindcoder> okay, now I'm done :)
09:37 < blindcoder> hi all
09:39 < rxr> starlord: you can not easily chnage curl to wget ...
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09:58 < starlord> hi blindcoder,why's that? or easy to make shell script named curl that is wrapper for wget,just have to know how curl is called,what the parameter's are and so on...
09:59 < rxr> no - we use curl features quite extensively to handle farious error conditions - you cannot emulate this
09:59 < rxr> simply get curl
10:00 < starlord> and what's that infodir/packages file,how to create it,does the Configure make it, it need gcc and rescue disks offen don't have them
10:00 < starlord> plaah,need livecd iso that has gcc,curl,etc...
10:01 < starlord> does rock have livecd? i'm trying to install to pc that doesn't have existing install of any kind of os
10:03 * starlord went to smoke.
10:04 < rxr> starlord: we'll have a livecd soon
10:05 < rxr> starlord: use the full ISOs provided ...
10:06 < starlord> rxr:they don't provide support for my crappy isa eth card,how soon? :)
10:11 * starlord is back from smoke
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10:14 < rxr> hm? How soon what? An ISO ?
10:14 < rxr> or the livecd ?
10:15 < starlord> livecd
10:16 < rxr> ah - some weeks. I'll do more stableization for the 2.0 release - I'll do the livecd target in the free time in between ... :-(
10:16 < rxr> but you could get the 2.0.0-beta CDs ...
10:16 < rxr> er -alpha I mean
10:17 < rxr> the -beta are lying around here waiting for release ...
10:17 < rxr> ;-)
10:17 < starlord> does they have pnp tools or kernel builtin support for isa eth cards?
10:17 < rxr> the isapnp should be compiled in.
10:17 < starlord> and module ne.o
10:18 < rxr> but - wait a minute the alpha release misses the hardware autodetection
10:18 < rxr> if you want this - you have to wait until tonight  (or so) when I release 2.0.0-beta ... :-(
10:20 < starlord> ok,will wait,if it doesn't work,have to try knoppix livecd(might be missing curl)
10:21 < starlord> for what cpu it is compiled? hopefully i386 so it work's on everyone
10:22 < rxr> nope - I'll optimize my official CD for pentium-mmx
10:23 < rxr> Otherwise we would loose to much speed - and all normally used boxes have at least such an mmx-pentium ...
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10:31 < rxr> hehe - so even s.o. over at osnew.org has noticed that the kde is slow - gnome is fast is not valid anymore:
10:31 < rxr> "SuSE's default KDE 3.1 interface is faster than the Gnome 2.2 interface coming with Red Hat 9. The difference is so big that it is difficult to go back to Red Hat after some time with SuSE. Especially annoying is that basic everyday applications are tediously slow in Gnome, like Nautilus, calculator, text editor and others. You almost here clock ticking when you select "run application" from the menu ... Gnome may have a perfect arch
10:33 < swede> if just KDE didn't have such a GUI deficiency...
10:35 < rxr> hm - I dont't think so ...
10:35 < swede> diffrence of opinion I guess, but KDE just get on my nerves..
10:37 < blindcoder> I once ried switching to KDE from iceWM because I needed Xinerama
10:37 < blindcoder> after two days I switched back to iceWM
10:40 < swede> I can understand you...
10:41 < blindcoder> After 30 minutes of searching for how I can bind "hotkeys" to programs I gave up
10:41 < blindcoder> like (Ctrl+Alt+t == xterm)
10:41 < swede> I am sure that is somewhere in the Kontrolcenter..
10:42 < swede> if it isn't, it should be..
10:42 < swede> in Gnome2, you'd use gconf-editor to modify Gnome's settings on the fly..
10:42 < blindcoder> next I couldn't find how to add "custom" programs to the toolbar (other than the predefined set of programs available with right-mouse-button)
10:42 < blindcoder> hehe in iceWM I just edit a few text-files :)
10:43 < swede> yeh.. I remember the good old days of Ctwm...
10:43 < blindcoder> hm... don't know that one
10:45 < rxr> blindcoder: right click on the panel -> Panel Menu -> Add -> Special Button -> Non KDE Application
10:45 < rxr> swede: will take a look in a moment
10:45 < blindcoder> rxr: hmm... haven't found that the last time... I'll have a look when I'm home
10:48 < rxr> swede: IISC: kcontrol -> Reginal & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts
10:48 < swede> rxr: thought it would be in there somewhere..
10:48 < rxr> it is in the KDE Control Center
10:49 < rxr> ad the tree node: Reginal & Accessibility
10:50 < blindcoder> rxr: can I define my own "hotkeys" there? like "Ctrl+Alt+Bosskey" == "sudo rm -rf /" ?
10:50 < rxr> s/ad/at/
10:53 < rxr> blindcoder: the neuronal net would not allow you to defince s.th. like that *g*
10:54 < rxr> I only find a short-cut defince for applications in the KDE Menu
10:54 < blindcoder> rxr: bah. I know what I'm doing. I just don't know what effect my doing will have :D
10:54 < rxr> Jups
10:55 < blindcoder> hmm... well, I could of course add it to the KDE-Menu. But one Item for each of xmm forward/backwad/play/pause/stop would be a bit much IMO
10:58 < rxr> yes of course
11:00 * blindcoder off to lunch
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11:15 < rxr> Committed revision 50.
11:17 < mnemoc> you have passed from 45 to 50 while i build 1-gcc3 :(
11:18 < rxr> mnemoc: mostly merges with Cliffs CVS ...
11:18 < rxr> hi btw ;-)
11:18 < mnemoc> hi :)
11:20 < rxr> my 5-gcc3 is also still building ;-)
11:21 < mnemoc> :D
11:21 < mnemoc> happy happy joy joy
11:22 < mnemoc> 51??.. it grows fast
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11:25 < blindcoder> rehi
11:26 < rxr> ;-)
11:28 < rxr> cu later
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12:51 < rxr> 3aaaarghthghghgghgh
12:51 < rxr> those broken crap that arrives as patch here :-(
12:51 < blindcoder> ?
12:55 < rxr> read ML
12:55 < rxr> the next time I'll delete those packages ...
12:56 < kasc> re
12:56 < blindcoder> oh... so that's why the whole nikolaus repositary failed
12:57 < mnemoc> that was hard
12:57 < kasc> what packages?
12:57 < mnemoc> the whole repo.
12:58 < rxr> :-(
12:58 < kasc> nikolaus repos?
12:58 < mnemoc> rxr: do you know when the -lattr issue will get priority?
13:04 < rxr> mnemoc: huhm - I thought it has highest priority - but cliff seems to be very busy ...
13:04 < rxr> ixed all of nikolaus' packages to at least sustain the sanity checks ...
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13:04 < rxr> M    Documentation/Developers/CHANGELOG-RENE
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/gnupod-perlmods/gnupod-perlmods.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/xfsamba/xfsamba.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/cheapskatefonts/cheapskatefonts.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/linesrv/linesrv.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/whatsnewfm/whatsnewfm.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/ocs/ocs.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/qtparted/qtparted.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/ntfsprogs/ntfsprogs.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/tsclient/tsclient.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/dnrd/dnrd.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/mgt/mgt.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/rdesktop/rdesktop.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/gnupod/gnupod.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/easytag/easytag.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/grepmail/grepmail.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/flac/flac.desc
13:04 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/id3lib/id3lib.desc
13:05 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/muttprint/muttprint.desc
13:05 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/unison/unison.desc
13:05 < rxr> M    package/nikolaus/gpart/gpart.desc
13:05 < rxr> M    package/base/parted/parted.desc
13:05 < rxr> Committed revision 52.
13:05 < blindcoder> puha
13:08 * rxr grummels ...
13:09 < kasc> hehe
13:09 < _NULL_> hi
13:09 < blindcoder> moin nully
13:10 < _NULL_> hi blindy
13:13 < _NULL_> why, why, why? why is school such a crap?
13:14 < blindcoder> because it's school
13:14 < _NULL_> hrmpf. shouldn't you _learn_ something at school? or did i get something wrong?
13:15 < blindcoder> no. You shall sit down and be quiet while the teacher tells you something you a) already know b) don't need c) all of the above
13:15 < kasc> i did learn a lot during school...
13:16 < blindcoder> kasc: drinking? :)
13:16 < kasc> e.g. how to sleep while looking awake
13:16 < _NULL_> *g*
13:16 < blindcoder> *muahahaha*
13:16 < kasc> or how to do useful stuff under the table in a way the teacher wont notice
13:17 < blindcoder> no. I learned when it's best not to tell people you depend on that they're stupid idiots >_<
13:17 < blindcoder> like telling the teacher that what he's telling is absolutely wrong
13:17 < _NULL_> kasc: full ack ;)
13:19 < kasc> blindcoder: no good idea. In nearly all cases you end up with getting bad grades
13:20 < blindcoder> kasc: yes. I learned that at the end of the year >_<
13:21 < blindcoder> But I just had to tell him that I can't hack the school system through a "Steckdose". Not even with Linux on my laptop.
13:21 < blindcoder> he didn't believe me, though and I had an empty battery on the train home. That sucked
13:23 < kasc> lol
13:23 < daja77> hi
13:24 < blindcoder> moin daja77
13:24 < _NULL_> hi daja77
13:25 < _NULL_> could people who 're having knowledge in "networking" please join #quizzone ? ;) i need to have an solution on my paper. thank you in advance *vbeg*
13:26 * blindcoder joining
13:26 < _NULL_> thx
13:26 < kasc> moin daja77
13:27 < daja77> +*argh* sony websites suck
13:28 < _NULL_> daja77: why?
13:28 < daja77> they have their monitor specs only as pdf
13:29 < daja77> the pdf viewers on this sparc are too old to display it properly
13:30 < daja77> *argh* display features guide (shockwave version)
13:34 < daja77> bye folks, have to go to a lecture
13:34 < daja77> cu
13:34 < _NULL_> bye daja77
13:55 < rxr> *lol*:Found 26763 new/updated files in source tree:
13:55 < _NULL_> hi rxr
13:56 < _NULL_> rock increased during night?
13:56 < blindcoder> rxr: did clifford do a ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch?
13:57 < rxr> no - I moved my builds from my build-box's rsync tree to an svn synced tree ;-)
13:57 < blindcoder> oh... okay
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14:25 < senaxl> Huhu
14:26 < blindcoder> hi
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14:33 < _NULL_> hi rolla
14:33 < rolla> re
14:33 < rolla> much better now :)
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14:35 < blindcoder> re rolla
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15:06 < esden> re hi all
15:07 < blindcoder> hi esden
15:07 < esden> hi blindcoder 
15:07 < rolla> re esden
15:07 < blindcoder> esden: overslept again? *g*
15:08 < esden> noo 
15:08 < esden> I was in the uni
15:08 < blindcoder> slept at uni? :D
15:08 < blindcoder> esden: I taught keepnick.pl what NickServ is :)
15:09 < esden> blindcoder: very nice
15:09 * -> esden is currently learning m4 ;-)
15:09 < blindcoder> why that?
15:09 < esden> because I want to make the configuration of uclibc in m4
15:10 < esden> and I want to cleanup linux* packet configuration
15:10 < esden> to be more consistant
15:11 < blindcoder> hmm... kay
15:11 < blindcoder> esden: you'll see the new keepnick.pl in action in a few minutes
15:11 < esden> clifford is using m4 there but most of the logic is made in shellscripts ... so if he uses m4 it should be made correctly ... and not the way it is now
15:11 < esden> o_O
15:11 < esden> teledum reconnect?
15:11 < blindcoder> yes
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15:17 < blindcod1r> re
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15:18 < blindcoder> okay
15:18 < blindcoder> that still needs some work :)
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15:20 < Mike1> hi.
15:20 < blindcoder> moin Mike1
15:20 < Mike1> moin blindy
15:20 < _NULL_> hi Mike1
15:20 * Mike1 is looking for a job...
15:21 < blindcoder> Mike1: you were fired?
15:21 < Mike1> ack. :(
15:21 < _NULL_> Mike1: huh? i thought you're going to sing.?
15:21 < blindcoder> shit... why that?
15:21 < Mike1> _NULL_: yes i will but not yet, SARS is to dangerous to take the risk yet
15:21 < _NULL_> urgs. full ack
15:21 < Mike1> blindcoder: the company (informatica) is going bank broke.
15:22 < _NULL_> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! FSCK!
15:22 < Mike1> _NULL_: for now i just do contractor work for them.
15:22 < blindcoder> shit... that sucks...
15:22 < _NULL_> that's cruel shit!
15:22 < Mike1> _NULL_: one SARS is gone i will move.
15:22 < Mike1> blindcoder: _NULL_ yup it does, i will only be here for a few more days
15:22 < _NULL_> hm... will take some time, i guess :-(
15:22 < Mike1> then iw ill vanish for sometime...
15:23 < _NULL_> dammit. and it wasn't clear longer before?
15:23 < Mike1> _NULL_: how do you mean?
15:23 < _NULL_> Mike1: didn't you know some month or so ago, that the company will be bancrupt
15:24 < Mike1> _NULL_: yeah we were specting that, but it still sucks.. i just needed some more time.
15:24 < rolla> Mike1:
15:24 < Mike1> _NULL_: anyways i will see what i can do.
15:24 < Mike1> hi rolla
15:24 < _NULL_> Mike1: full ack. :-( have luck looking for a new job
15:25 < Mike1> _NULL_: maybe you need an asistant? :)
15:25 < _NULL_> Mike1: hehe. nobody will be hired by our company. but someone will be fired *sigh*
15:26 < Mike1> ouch.
15:26 < _NULL_> Mike1: jup
15:27 * _NULL_ could be "happy" if she still can continue her training (which will normally end end of august 2004)
15:28 * Mike1 removing all his data from the informatica servers...
15:36 < esden> SARS????
15:36 < esden> hi Mike1! god bless you
15:36 < _NULL_> hi esden
15:37 < _NULL_> esden: SARS = the "disaese" (lungenkrankheit) which is in china and so on...
15:37 < esden> ahh yes ...
15:37 < esden> I allways hear it ... I never read about it ... 
15:37 < Mike1> god bless you esdy
15:37 < _NULL_> www.spiegel.de is your friend, esden
15:37 < blindcoder> esden: will you be in IN tomorrow evening/thursday/friday?
15:38 < esden> I will be tomorrow in IN ... why?
15:38 < blindcoder> hmm... I need someone to go to with my inline skates
15:38 < blindcoder> Just my usual tour gets boring over time
15:39 < esden> _NULL_: /me not going to that part of the world ... so I do not have to read about it ... it is enough that I hear it in tv from time to time
15:39 < _NULL_> esden: NACK
15:39 < esden> hmm ... /me not having skates @ blindcoder 
15:39 < blindcoder> esden: but you do have a bike :)
15:40 < blindcoder> _NULL_: please... spare us from your views on news and politics, will you?
15:40 < esden> and wenesday is already full ... I am not sure if I will be able to find time to go skating ... >_<
15:40 < esden> or biking
15:40 < blindcoder> :P
15:40 < _NULL_> oh oh... someone is planning evil stuff (sports)
15:40 < esden> sorry I promissed some people already that I will meet them 
15:40 < blindcoder> _NULL_: not planning. DOING.
15:40 < blindcoder> esden: no problem.
15:40 < _NULL_> blindcoder: haha :p even more evil
15:41 < blindcoder> esden: I'll ask Darki then.
15:41 < esden> sorry blindcoder :-(
15:42 < esden> Mike1: have you tired to ask chris to do remote work?
15:45 < Mike1> i am doing it remote work already
15:47 < esden> ahh ok
15:49 * blindcoder going home
15:49 < blindcoder> baba
15:52 < _NULL_> bye blindy
15:55 < senaxl> i take a look at "rock-src-1.7-200303192343", i dont want to build the dietlibc, is the following command enough?  $ sed -e 's/ DIETLIBC//' packages > packages.new
16:01 < esden> senaxl: are you trying to build the dietlibc target?
16:01 < senaxl> no!
16:01 < esden> when you do that then packages like gcc3 and linux24 will also not be built
16:02 < esden> they also have the DIETLIBC tag
16:02 < senaxl> i dont want linux24, but gcc3 :)
16:02 < esden> so do it the propper way and deselect dietlibc in the ./scripts/Config
16:02 < senaxl> hm.
16:03 < senaxl> -> export ROCKCFG_DIETLIBC='0'
16:03 < senaxl> but it will be build..
16:03 < esden> haeh?
16:03 < esden> you mean the dietlibc package
16:04 < esden> look more carefulli in the config menue
16:04 < senaxl> hm? *g*
16:04 < esden> there is a place where you can deselect packages
16:04 < esden> I still can not understand why you want to deselct it
16:04 < senaxl> wait :)
16:10 < senaxl> i dont want the dietlibc support, so i had desecleted it (ROCKCFG_DIETLIBC=0) - but the build script, build "with dietlibc" support...
16:10 < esden> which target are you building?
16:11 < senaxl> generic...
16:11 < senaxl> "(X) Generic ROCK Linux" :)
16:11 < Mike1> senaxl: dietlibc is disabled on generic by default..
16:11 < senaxl> *g*
16:11 < senaxl> he build with dietlibc support...
16:11 < esden> where?
16:12 < esden> where have you read that
16:12 < Mike1> senaxl: did you at least took the time to look at target/generic/* before making your own stuff?
16:12 < senaxl> when you start the Build script,
16:12 < esden> the only two targets that use dietlibc by default are "dietlibc target" and "boot disks target"
16:12 < Mike1> senaxl: it build the dietlibc _package_ not _with_ dietlibc
16:13 < esden> senaxl: which build script? ./scripts/Build-Target
16:13 < senaxl> esden: yes.
16:13 < esden> paste me more lines of the output to my query
16:14 < senaxl> ok, the next time :)
16:14 < esden> next time?
16:15 < esden> senaxl: we can not help you when you are not providing enough debugging information ... I do not have a glass orb here to look in and see what is going on with your build 
16:15 < senaxl> i have canceled the "building"
16:16 < Mike1> so restart it..
16:16 < esden> so cut and paste the content of the termnal
16:16 < esden> or restart the build
16:16 < senaxl> i know :)
16:17 < esden> or open ./build/<some build directory>/logs/build_target
16:17 < esden> there is the whole output
16:17 < senaxl> ok.
16:18 < esden> ohh it is called ./build/<some build directory>/logs/build_target.log
16:19 < mnemoc> does anyone have a patch for -lattr of 1-acl?
16:21 < Mike1> mnemoc: read query
16:22 < mnemoc> 1-acl has a known issue...
16:22 < mnemoc> it tries to find libacl on host system
16:23 < mnemoc> instead of tool.cross
16:37 < esden> mnemoc: clifford said that he is on it
16:38 < mnemoc> great
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16:57 < rxr> mnemoc: esden I just remembered Cliff about this ;-)
16:58 < rxr> Committed revision 55.
17:02 < esden> huhu rxr 
17:03 * -> esden tagging packages with UCLIBC tags
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17:10 < rxr> hi esden
17:10 < rxr> hm:
17:10 < rxr> heap:/home/svn # du -csh *
17:10 < rxr> 8.4M    gsmp
17:10 < rxr> 93M     rock-linux
17:10 < rxr> 102M    total
17:12 < esden> rock is getting big ... or is that an svn overhead
17:14 < mnemoc_> bdb :)
17:16 < rxr> jups bdb transaction stuff
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17:16 < rxr> err by the way this is not a checkout - this are the repositories on the server !!!
17:17 < esden> that is clear
17:18 < blindcoder> rehi
17:18 < blindcoder> WEE
17:18 * blindcoder going to watch CCS
17:18 < blindcoder> be back MUCH later
17:19 < esden> ok ... added UCLIBC tags to 52 packages 
17:20 < rxr> It doesn't get this big for a local working copy ...
17:20 < esden> re blindcoder 
17:20 < esden> rxr: yes ... but what is about the .svn directorys?
17:25 < rxr> just the usual cache like you have with CVS with the CVS dirs, too.
17:26 < esden> ack
17:27 < rxr> esden: are all the uclib tags already tested ?
17:27 < rxr> or only wild guesses ?
17:27 < esden> guesses based on the DIETLIBC tags
17:27 < esden> I will see if they compile when I am ready creating the uclibc target ;-)
17:28 < esden> it now looks pretty promissing cuz uclibc is supporting native installation and there is an example how to convince gcc to use uclibc by default
17:38 < rxr> the 2.4.21-rc1 kernel is strange it swaps much more - this might be nice for servers - but not for my desktop ...
17:39 < rxr> jackson:~$ free
17:39 < rxr>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
17:39 < rxr> Mem:        514992     498968      16024          0      94972     266320
17:39 < rxr> -/+ buffers/cache:     137676     377316
17:39 < rxr> Swap:       524624      77392     447232
17:39 < rxr> every 10 minutes I do s.th. different half of my desktop apps have to be ript out of the swap :-(
17:39 < rxr> (of course compiling two ROCK targets in the background ...)
17:40 < esden> rxr: so do not wonder ;-)
17:48 < rxr> nope this is a shame - and should be more smooth.
17:48 < rxr> and in fact it was better in 2.4.20 ...
17:50 < esden> hmm ... I can not compare
17:50 < rxr> the box has 377,316 MB of free RAM
17:51 < esden> urgh
17:51 < rxr> if linux would not use 266,320 for disk cache it would not need to swap out 77,392 MB ...
17:51 < esden> so the swapping stuff is a problem ...
17:51 < rxr> jups
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17:56 < esden> ok off to cinema
17:57 < esden> cu all later
17:57 < rxr> much fun esden
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18:15 < daja77> re
18:15 < Ge0rG> re :]
18:15 < daja77> hi Ge0rG
18:15 < Ge0rG> daja77: :)
18:22 < rxr> re
18:27 < daja77> re rxr
18:35 -!- wartix [~wartix@3-113.240.81.pwd-by.belgacom.net] has joined #rocklinux
18:35 < wartix> hi all
18:48 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A599.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
18:49 < kasc> yippie! finally online again!
18:50 < kasc> i urgently need help! anyone awake?
18:51 * Mike1 is awake
18:52 < rxr> kasc: jups
18:52 < kasc> for some weird reason my whole /etc went to /lost+found... could you help me reconstruct it?
19:02 < rxr> ourhgs. Sorry I have not much practice in e2fs hacking sorry.
19:02 < rxr> is the filesystem already checked and consistent?
19:03 < kasc> i checked it an hopefully got most files recovered but i need to move them to the right places
19:04 < kasc> oh, in case i should forgot: whenever i am going to try any 2.5.x kernel again, hit me really hard ;)
19:05 < senaxl> *g*
19:06 < kasc> anyways there are lots of files that i cant imagine what they should be called...
19:10 < rxr> reinstall the sysfiles package and copy back the files you know ...
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19:11 < tcr> moin all
19:11 < senaxl> hi
19:19 < kasc> rxr: i dont expect that to help much
19:20 < kasc> most files from sysfiles have a rock copyright message in them telling roughly what they should be called
19:22 < kasc> i have a dir with a file called gdk-pixbuf.loaders in it. do you know what the dir should be called?
19:23 < daja77> hi kasc, tcr, Mike1
19:23 < kasc> hi daja77
19:24 < rxr> kasc: no sorry
19:24 < rxr> is your /var/adm/flists still valid
19:24 < rxr> you could gerp in it ...
19:25 < kasc> that would be a good one. at least for the directorys
19:35 < wartix> re hi all :)
19:36 < daja77> hi wartix
19:36 < wartix> what s up daja77
19:37 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p5090B0B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:39 < wartix> lol 1 hour for download 975 Mo
19:43 < _NULL_> re
19:48 < rxr> Committed revision 60.
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19:51 < kasc__> re
19:52 < _NULL_> re kasc , kasc_ , kasc__  :p
19:52 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A599.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
19:52 < daja77> kasc^3
19:52 < _NULL_> cloned kasc
19:53 < daja77> oh no...
19:53 < _NULL_> cruel world. - kasc^3 is too much
19:53 < daja77> ack
19:53 < kasc__> har! har!
19:53 < _NULL_> or are this his multiple identities?
19:54 < _NULL_> (identitaeten)
19:55 < daja77> it is a kascade ;)
19:55 < kasc__> just a totally fscked connection
19:55 < daja77> sure ;)
19:56 < _NULL_> kasc__: why? i thought you're owning DSL? or are the special friends from "club of telekomikers" doing crap again?
19:58 < kasc__> no, i m currently reconstructing my /etc and my pppd doesnt seem to like that
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19:58 < _NULL_> ah. k.
19:59 -!- kasc__ is now known as kasc
19:59 < tcr> moin daja77
19:59 < daja77> O_o what a surprise
20:00 < kasc> btw: there should be a symlink in /etc to the default keymap. what should that link be called?
20:00 < tcr> Huh?
20:00 < tcr> In 1.6 there a /etc/default.keymap symlink
20:00 < tcr> that got removed?
20:01 < kasc> thx
20:01 < kasc> tcr: my /etc got corrupted and went completely into /lost+found
20:01 < tcr> U_u,
20:02 < _NULL_> *lol* now i know why kasc answered to noone "thx" ;p
20:02 < tcr> daja77: Sorry, I've been away... you know better late than never ;)
20:02 < daja77> tcr: ack ;)
20:03 < kasc> and how should the symlink to my timezone should be called?
20:03 < tcr> wait up
20:03 < rxr> /etc/localtime -> ../usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin
20:03 < kasc> thx
20:04 < tcr> Ah right
20:04 < kasc> the link to ROCK-VERSION?
20:04 < rxr> a tip for building ROCK on ReiserFS -> disable tail packing - this should speedup the build to some degree
20:04 < rxr> this is a file
20:04 < rxr> jackson:~$ cat /etc/ROCK-VERSION
20:04 < rxr> ROCK Linux 1.7-snapshot (2003/04/25)
20:05 < daja77> rxr: who needs reiserfs anyway
20:05 < kasc> i have a symlink that points to ROCK-VERSION
20:05 < rxr> daja77: erh? Why shouldn't I need it? It is fast and relyable ...
20:05 < kasc> but i'm sure it shouldnt be called: /lost+found/#130570 ;)
20:05 < tcr> None. Well. Allegdly rsv4 should become quite featurerich
20:05 < daja77> aha, this is new to me
20:05 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           37 Apr 25 01:46 ROCK-VERSION
20:05 < rxr> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           12 Apr 25 01:48 VERSION -> ROCK-VERSION
20:05 < kasc> thx
20:06 < tcr> rxr: Nope, it's not reliable. We're talking about rsv3, right?
20:06 < rxr> tcr: jups - and never lost any data
20:06 < tcr> That
20:06 < rxr> which from time to time happend to ext2
20:06 < tcr> That doesnt mean reliable ;)
20:06 < rxr> and it is much faster for my workloads than ext2/ext3 ...
20:07 < rxr> tcr: wow - I guess you have not some proof for this ?
20:07 < tcr> ext3 + htree is actual a very good combination
20:08 < tcr> rxr: Ext2/3 is one of the few filesystems that can guarantee an almost 100% data integry when restoring/reparing (ie. running fsck after corruption)
20:08 < rxr> puh - any you spek about reliability
20:08 < tcr> that's reliability - ??
20:08 < kasc> now i have a file that i remember controlling who may login via ftp
20:08 < daja77> *looool* http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ola-29.04.03-002/
20:08 < kasc> how should that be called?
20:09 < rxr> tcr: Haeh? It has the same garantee to be uncorrupted after and fscheck tat reiserfs has ...
20:09 < tcr> rxr: No, it hasn't. Mompls
20:09 < rxr> and mompls is what?
20:10 < rxr> a moment pleas maybe ..
20:10 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
20:10 < Mike1> hi blindy
20:10 < daja77> hi blindcoder
20:10 < tcr> rxr: yup, moment please
20:10 < kasc> hi blindcoder
20:10 * daja77 just can't stop laughing
20:12 < _NULL_> re blindy
20:12 < blindcoder> daja77: I don't think that 6 Billion Euros being wasted is funny
20:13 < _NULL_> who wasted money?
20:13 < blindcoder> _NULL_: daja's link
20:13 < daja77> why not, do you remember all those assholes saying let's outsource to save money
20:13 < daja77> they had a hall on cebit for that bullshit
20:13 < _NULL_> blindcoder: can't open it...
20:14 < blindcoder> daja77: yes. and in the process killing IT-Jobs
20:14 < tcr> rxr: http://www.dignatz.de/d/spotlight/artikel/russisches_roulette_linux-mag_20020605_001.html
20:14 < _NULL_> (because i'm still compiling X and kde)
20:14 < blindcoder> _NULL_: 6 Billion Euro wasted due to bad Outsourcing
20:14 < blindcoder> _NULL_: what about w3m? lynx? telnet?
20:14 < tcr> telnet, blindcoder ;-D
20:14 < _NULL_> blindcoder: hm... bad...
20:15 < blindcoder> daja77: jobs that are vital to people like me bein "Fachinformatiker"
20:15 < daja77> blindcoder: but I found a funnier news on heise http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/odi-29.04.03-000/
20:15 < blindcoder> sorry, _I_ can't laugh about it.. only shake my head
20:15 < daja77> die sco die, for ever
20:15 * _NULL_ points to www.dotcomtod.de (or .com???)
20:16 * tcr is away: shower
20:16 * daja77 still has a crapware 7 around here
20:17 < rxr> puh - this articles is pure brain-fuck ...
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20:17 < holyolli> moin
20:17 < blindcoder> rxr: hehe, I couldn't put it better :)
20:17 < blindcoder> but what do you expect from heise?
20:18 < _NULL_> hi holyolli !
20:18 < holyolli> hi null
20:18 < daja77> rxr: which one
20:18 < daja77> hi holyolli
20:18 < blindcoder> quote from heise: "New Virus found in Linux-kernel. Codename: ptrace"
20:18 < kasc> i have a file with:   set ask askcc append dot save crt   in it. Does anyone know how that should be called?
20:18 < daja77> lol
20:19 < blindcoder> daja77: indeed
20:20 < daja77> blindcoder: the braindead winlusers need such news, to point a finger to lin -> you have viruses too, why should I switch...
20:21 < blindcoder> daja77: yeah. but that's been the moment I finally abandoned anything printed by heise (ct, iX)
20:21 < daja77> hmm telepolis is quite nice
20:21 < blindcoder> not that I bought it before, I just borrowed it, but I totally tsope reading it now
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20:22 < daja77> blindcoder: you need a filter for reading heise, but I don't know better magazines >_<
20:22 < blindcoder> daja77: but I know somethign better to do: watching Anime :) much more fun
20:23 * blindcoder going there right now
20:23 < blindcoder> goo night!
20:23 < daja77> gn8 blindcoder
20:23 < _NULL_> gnu8 blindcoder
20:23 < _NULL_> aeh. gn8 even
20:25 < kasc> gn8 blindcoder
20:25 < daja77> _NULL_: gnu8 is sweet you know
20:25 < _NULL_> it was a typo
20:26 < daja77> hell yeah, but some typos are really great
20:26 < _NULL_> :p
20:26 < _NULL_> night - GPL :p
20:27 < rxr> daja77: the linux magatin link above ...
20:30 * rxr needs a new box - rock builds take too long ...
20:31 < daja77> ahem rxr didn't you say 2 new boxes...
20:44 < tcr> rxr: It is
20:44 < tcr> ?
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20:49 < _NULL_> hi capchaos :)
20:49 < capchaos> hey owly
21:02 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082D8F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:02 < tsa> hi all
21:03 < _NULL_> hi tsa
21:25 < rxr> hi tsa
21:26 < rxr> Committed revision 62.
21:33 < tsa> rxr: can you please add cksums to your e17 packages?
21:33 < tsa> i've had a build abort several times because all of them were incomplete checkouts..
21:34 * tsa sending mail to the list.
21:36 < rxr> tsa: no this is not possible for cvs checkouts
21:37 < rxr> the checksum is different on every box - depending on the current random date, time, user, ...
21:38 < tcr> Hmm, then rather use snapshots that're defined
21:38 < tfing> rxr: doesn't the date in the cvs:// line assure that everyone get the same version ?
21:38 < tsa> rxr: ..the date in the cvs url..?
21:38 < tsa> you don't do cvs "head" checkouts..
21:38 < tsa> so the cksum should be reproduceable.
21:38 < rxr> jups but the date of the files in your filesystem
21:39 < tsa> NAME
21:39 < tsa>        cksum - checksum and count the bytes in a file
21:39 < tsa> SYNOPSIS
21:39 < tsa>        cksum [OPTION]... [FILE]...
21:39 < tsa> DESCRIPTION
21:39 < tsa>        Print CRC checksum and byte counts of each FILE.
21:39 < tsa> -> byte counts of each FILE <-
21:39 < tsa> user/group don't affect cksum generation
21:39 * rxr needs to check how it is implemented
21:40 < tcr> Neither ctime, utime, atime
21:40 < tsa> ok, thx.
21:40 < tcr> utime? mtime it's called, i think
21:40 < tfing> btw, you can't put a snapshot name in the cvs:// line
21:40 < rxr> but I guess it is implemented much easier - and we had this everyone had another checksum - since then we do not do the checksumming of cvs checkouts anymore ...
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21:43 < rxr> tsa: read the source - it is the checksum of the uncompressed file - not the deflated indifidual files
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21:44 < rxr> so all the user/group *time informations are in the tar and are different
21:44 < rxr> sure we could do a chown -R root:root the-checkout and touch them with a special date. - But I guess there will still be differencies ...
21:45 < rxr> anyway - use the mirrors if unsure ...
21:45 < tsa> the broken files came from a mirror..
21:45 < tsa> ..although i don't remember which one it was..
21:46 < rxr> hm - then Cliff might have an incomplete checkout (maybe due to his slow ISDN line ...)
21:49 * praenti back
21:49 < praenti> hi everybody
21:49 < _NULL_> hi praenti
21:49 < praenti> did anybody a stack smashing protector build in the last few months?
21:50 < praenti> hi _NULL_
21:50 < tsa> praenti: i know Be-El tried to do one and failed..
21:51 < tsa> mompl.
21:51 < praenti> tsa: looks like a lot of packages have problems with a pam bug
21:51 < rxr> praenti: there was reported some link problem with application using ld to link instead of gcc itself
21:52 < praenti> if you compile pam with stack protection you always get a undefinied reference __guard when you use s.th from the pam lib
21:52 < tsa> <Be-El> der pam-patch ist definitiv noch nicht das wahre
21:52 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082BEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:52 < Be-El> hi ppl
21:52 < tsa> ;-)
21:52 < tcr> praenti: patch has been sent fixing that
21:52 < praenti> hi Be-El
21:52 < rxr> praenti: jups known problem - see list
21:52 < tsa> how does the stack-protector stuff work?
21:54 < Be-El> btw...the pam-patch to make it work with the stack-protector is broken....
21:54 < tcr> tsa: It's briefly described on the webpage iirc
21:54 < Be-El> it does not set the symlinks for the shared objects, breaking the build as soon as -lpam is used
21:55 < praenti> ok. for the moment i disabled stack protector for pam
21:56 < praenti> you can say that this can be a security hole. and perhaps you are right :-(
21:56 < praenti> but my build continues
21:56 < tcr> I personally don't see any point in that stack protector anyway... I only see the disadvantage that it might cause trouble with debugging/coding
21:58 < rxr> tcr: you try to confince us of some FS useage and do not see any point in the SSP ...
21:58 * rxr *wondering*
21:59 < tcr> rxr: you try to convince us of my dumbness and do not see that I wrote 'personally' ;)
22:02 < rxr> no problem - have fun ;-)
22:04 < Be-El> someone around with a (more or less) finished build ?
22:05 * tcr grins
22:07 < rxr> Be-El: yes, why ?
22:07 < Be-El> the --with-ldap option in php need the directory appended
22:07 < Be-El> .oO ( at least the last time i did a build..... )
22:11 < rxr> hm - php and ldap might not be in my desktop build
22:11 < rxr> do you need some info - or is this a request do fix s.th. there ? ;-)
22:12 < Be-El> nope, it a request to find someone who tests the patch and might send it to the mailing list
22:12 < Be-El> since i got no active build to test it...
22:13 < rxr> ah - sure send it over ;-)
22:13 * rxr merging anthing ....
22:13 < Be-El> diff -r1.7 php.conf
22:13 < Be-El> 38c38
22:13 < Be-El> < [ "$ROCKCFG_PKG_PHP_openldap" = 1 ] && var_append extraconfopt " " "--with-ldap"
22:13 < Be-El> ---
22:13 < Be-El> > [ "$ROCKCFG_PKG_PHP_openldap" = 1 ] && var_append extraconfopt " " "--with-ldap=/opt/openldap"
22:14 * tsa considers a patch removing package/rene/* ;-)
22:15 < rxr> tcr: not "applying" bug _"merging"_ such a stuff will be merged into /dev/null ...
22:15 < rxr> er s/tcr/tsa/
22:16 < tsa> hehe
22:16 < rxr> hm - the hardcoded path is not that perfect
22:16 < Be-El> i know, but there's no config option for openldap yet
22:16 < rxr> openldap should announce the path and such a variable could be used there ...
22:16 < rxr> but for now this might be ok ;-)
22:17 < rxr> ;-) No no unecessary options - we have such a propagation already in mysql or so I think ...
22:17 * rxr need to take a look after rewriting some kernel patches
22:19 < dreamind> Hi
22:25 < tcr> Ok, guys, I'm gonna sleep now. Cu
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22:32 < praenti> ok. also sleeping
22:32 < praenti> gn8
22:33 < daja77> gn8 praenti
22:33 < Be-El> cu praenti
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22:53 < rxr> Be-El: http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/package/clifford/mysql/mysql.conf
22:53 < rxr> is what I mean with propagating config flags ;-)
23:06 < _NULL_> gn8
23:07 < Be-El> hmm...does the current rock put all aclocal files into a single directory ?
23:08 < rxr> Committed revision 68.
23:10 * Mike1 realizes that rxr has an obsession with revisions...
23:15 < daja77> Mike1: hello
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23:38 < Mike1> hi daja77
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23:47 < rxr> Mike1: nope o obsession - simply working to get stable out ...
23:47 < rxr> s/ o / no /
23:48 < Mike1> rxr: excellent :)
23:49 < Mike1> rxr: btw congratulations for the Maintainence Master rxr :)
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23:53 < armijn> re
23:53 < daja77> hey armijn here, welcome
23:53 < Mike1> wb mr drunk
23:53 < armijn> mr drunk?
23:53 < Mike1> i mean hi armijn :)
23:53 < armijn> excuse me?
23:53 < Mike1> armijn: just kidding :)
23:53 < armijn> I hope so...
23:53 < daja77> armijn: how is life?
23:53 < armijn> otherwise I really got to worry about my reputation
23:54 < armijn> I spent all day battling XP
23:54 < armijn> new machine, needed to make it dual boot
23:54 < daja77> *argh* why that
23:54 < armijn> Red Hat 9 installed flawlesly
23:54 < daja77> hehe really?
23:54 < armijn> I'm preparing a machine, so we can make images for it to install on the other 9 machines
23:55 < armijn> with ghost
23:55 < daja77> man kickstart
23:55 < armijn> yeah, Red Hat was no problem at all
23:55 < armijn> XP can't be installed with RH kickstart
23:55 < daja77> d'oh yes
23:55 < armijn> when we bought the machines it was agreed they would be dual boot
23:56 < daja77> :(
23:56 < armijn> not bad for a lab that was initially funded by Microsoft ;-)
23:56 < daja77> *lol*
23:56 < armijn> contract ended nearly 2 years ago, so...
23:56 < armijn> and these machines aren't paid for by MS
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23:58 * daja77 hates dual boot pools, if you need a ssh connection to one of the machines, they're all running windows >_<
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