--- Log opened Wed Apr 30 00:00:01 2003
--- Day changed Wed Apr 30 2003
00:00 < armijn> well...I don't care that much really :)
00:00 < armijn> it's midnight, time for bed
00:00 < daja77> sure, you don't
00:00 < daja77> armijn: bye
00:00 < armijn> cu
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00:01 < rxr> oh - just wanted to post "hi armijn" ... :-(
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00:01 < armijn> hi rxr
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00:01 < Mike1> hehe
00:02 < Mike1> rxr: i couldn't resist to quote you :)
00:03 < rxr> ;-)
00:03 < Mike1> :)
00:06 < rxr> hm - koffice still building - I really need a new box :-(
00:06 < rxr> but at least the package seems to be in place now ;-)
00:09 < rxr> hm linux-2.4.21-rc2 seems to got out tomorrow ;-)
00:09 < Be-El> finally...smpeg and openal fixed....
00:11 < daja77> suif sucks like hell
00:12 < daja77> ahem never mind, just had to mention it somewhere
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00:43 < ringo78> When will there be another stable rock ?
00:43 < Mike1> ringo78: ask rxr he is the stable maintainer
00:44 < ringo78> rxr: When will there be another stable rock ?
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00:46 < rxr> you mean 2.0 or a new ISO ?
00:46 < Mike1> 2.0
00:46 < rxr> I plan to have 2.0 ready next month
00:47 < Mike1> no exact dates yet my friend?
00:47 < rxr> 2.0-beta is here on my disk - but needs more testing before release
00:47 < rxr> new build already running ...
00:47 < rxr> Mike1: there is too much to do ... so no exact date
00:47 < ringo78> rxr: looking forward to it.
00:47 < Mike1> rxr: okis.
00:47 < rxr> but if people would start more testing and bug-fixing, too we will get to it earlier ...
00:48 < ringo78> rxr: What do I do ? CVS and start building?
00:56 < tsa> rxr: more people testing will get more bugs found and fixed.
00:57 < tsa> release -rc1 soon, as that will probably attract people soon
01:04 < rxr> ringo78: yes - or uee my subversion tree
01:04 < rxr> normally slightly newer incl. latest bug fixes ;-)
01:04 < Mike1> rxr so it is not available on rsync anymore?!?
01:04 < rxr> tsa: nope - Clifford even mentioned some "a stable should be ROCK stable" thing last time we spoke
01:05 < rxr> he would like the thing to be really really really tested ...
01:05 < esden> good evening
01:05 < rxr> so next is beta ;-) (I now too much that needs fixing ...)
01:05 < rxr> hi esden
01:05 * -> esden is drunk ... once more ;-)
01:05 < esden> the university cinema is something really cool ;-)
01:06 < esden> and m4 is ill ;-)
01:06 < daja77> hi esden, which movie you watched?
01:06 < daja77> esden: ack
01:06 < esden> it was a double feature ... blade 1 and 2
01:06 < rxr> esden: ACK
01:06 < Mike1> esden: so too much blood gort you drunk?
01:06 < Mike1> -r
01:07 < esden> but I have some ideas how to make the kernel configuration more sane ... I came to the idea while I was not drunk so no worry ;-)
01:07 < ringo78> Great idea getting some rum.
01:07 < esden> Mike1: no too much beer and whisky ;-)
01:07 < daja77> hmm whisky...
01:07 < Mike1> hehe wisky rulez :)
01:07 * -> esden loves whisky ;-)
01:07 * daja77 too
01:07 < tsa> rxr: i don't mind whatever you call it, as long as it will attract people to do builds..
01:08 < Mike1> whisky*
01:08 < ringo78> Thai rum real cheap ;-)
01:08 < esden> tsa: it will only attract people taking a look at the sources ;-)
01:08 < esden> ringo78: give it to me ;-)
01:08 < tsa> esden: call it "getoo crusher", then.. ;-)
01:08 < tsa> gentoo even
01:09 < tsa> i really don't care.
01:10 < tsa> a "_NULL_" release, perhaps..
01:10 < tsa> ..i don't know.
01:10 < esden> tsa: I will not make the cleaning for you ... but for me ... and other people that have to look in the code ;-)
01:10 < tsa> hehe
01:13 < daja77> WEEE script finished, daja --> bed
01:14 < esden> good night daja77 
01:14 < daja77> gn8
01:14 < esden> have a nice sleep ... and dream something nice ;-)
01:14 < rxr> tsa: hm - we should need to fix many bugs until we do more PR - otherwise new people might be to annoyed ...
01:14 < rxr> (see the many bugs listed at the dRock-2.0.0 site ...
01:14 < rxr> =
01:14 < daja77> esden: hehe, if you not appear in my dreams...
01:14 < rxr> argh ... _)_
01:14 < esden> daja77: :P
01:15 < esden> rxr: FULL ACK
01:17 < rxr> but when we have the 2.0 (in a month) I plan to do much PR like iX, Linux Magazin (de and us) ...
01:17 < rxr> maybe even /. (but this might crash clifss main server - or will it sustain such a load ?)
01:17 < esden> i do not think so ...
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01:17 < A-Tui> hi
01:18 < esden> we should move the main server somewhere wher the bandwith is bigger ...
01:18 < esden> hi A-Tui 
01:18 < A-Tui> hola esden
01:18 < daja77> A-Tui: hi & bye
01:18 < esden> so that it does not get slashdotted ...
01:18 < rxr> esden: or for the /. URL we use the mirror on sourceforge.net ;-)
01:18 < A-Tui> bye daja
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01:18 < esden> rxr: that is also a solution
01:18 * daja77 could do the ./ annoucement...
01:19 < rxr> ./ or /. ? ;-)
01:19 < esden> but before that we need a lot of testing and bugfixing so that we are sure that new people do not go away directly after the first test
01:20 < rxr> jups big ACK
01:20 < A-Tui> what are you talking about?
01:20 < esden> that means that we have to test building on other distributions like RH, susi and debian
01:20 < rxr> this is why we have no 2.0 yet *g*
01:20 < rxr> esden: oh - not this is not a release creterium
01:20 < A-Tui> about ROCK release?
01:20 < daja77> rxr: slashdot of course
01:20 < rxr> this will not be done before 2.1 !!!
01:20 < esden> but that is importaint for the newcomers ...
01:21 < rxr> 2.0 will be out when the binary results are useable
01:21 < esden> so we need a testiso ... on which people can build rock
01:21 < rxr> the people which wanna do build can install ROCK first ...
01:21 < daja77> esden: I could write a little howto on how to compile it under rh
01:21 < rxr> or use the livecd target when it is ready till then
01:21 < rxr> daja77: go!
01:21 < esden> ok .. that is also a possibility ... but then we only can announce it saying that binary dists are usable but not the build system ... that is only _really_ usable on a rock system
01:21 < rxr> should get into the next Rolling ROCK ;-)
01:22 < esden> daja77: that would be VERY nice
01:22 < rxr> esden: the problem are the other crappy broken f**ked up dists ...
01:22 < rxr> not our build system ...
01:22 < esden> how far are we with the host system sanity check stuff?
01:23 < esden> rxr: ACK ... but at least we need howto's that describe how to build rock on other systems
01:23 < daja77> rxr, esden, okis will do tomorrow (today but later ;)
01:24 < esden> that are not really bugs in rocklinux ... but at least we should check the required stuff and tell the "user" what is missing/wrong so he/she can fix it 
01:24 < esden> and get rock build on that platforms
01:24 < daja77> so now i'm really off
01:24 < esden> gn8 daja77 do not forget the howto ;-)
01:25 < daja77> ok ;)
01:26 < esden> ahh clifford sent the mail about 1.6 nice
01:26 < Mike1> .
01:26 < esden> Mike1: ?
01:27 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
01:27 < Mike1> esden: are you going to keep me again?
01:28 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux 1.5/1.6 is depricated please use 1.7 instead : ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
01:28 <@esden> Mike1: NOPE
01:28 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
01:28 < Mike1> s/keep/kick even.
01:28 < esden> Mike1: no way ... why should I ?
01:29 < Mike1> for fun maybe?
01:29 < esden> *headshake*
01:29 * Mike1 reads topic..
01:29 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
01:29 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux 1.5/1.6 is depricated please use 1.7/2.0 instead : ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
01:29 * Mike1 will not express his opinion about it.
01:30 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
01:30 < esden> Mike1: why?
01:31 < Mike1> you really don't want to know.
01:31 < mnemoc> that was worst than say it :)
01:31 < Mike1> mnemoc: hehe
01:32 < Mike1> ok, even if there was no progress because the maintainer was away, it is a humilliation for of _US_ whom worked on trying to get it to stable
01:33 < Mike1> but never had the authority or power how everu wanna call it, to take over the whole tree and take decitions and make releases
01:34 < esden> but now it is to late to change the maintainer of the tree ... 2.0 is in front of the door ... 
01:34 < esden> it is a late action ... but the best that can be done in the current situation if you ask me
01:34 < Mike1> 1.5/1.6 was a catastrophe, but it could have been fixed a long time ago when we (the other developers), including me and pjotr prins, expressed our selves
01:35 < Mike1> we asked Clifford to help us make a decition
01:35 < Mike1> to define a coomaintainer, anything
01:35 < Mike1> but never got any response for our petitions of help
01:36 < Mike1> and since nothing was done, when we actully rook some decitions, the maintainer aka huebi came back and removed all of our work
01:36 < Mike1> so why give a sh*t about 1.5/1.6 this late?
01:36 < Mike1> why now?
01:36 < Mike1> i better shut.
01:37 < esden> I know understand your worries ... 
01:37 < esden> I can also understand that you and some others are upset
01:38 < esden> but still I have to say that no better action can be taken now
01:38 < Mike1> esden: what i mean, Cliff didn't come back to us when we actually asked him for help, when we were decited to make a solution, to work as team and get it _stable_
01:38 < rxr> Mike1: I never saw such emails - maybe Cliff was too busy - maybe he did not wanted to force s.th. - maybe he simply watned a community decision
01:39 < Mike1> rxr such mails were discussed on the rock-1.6 developers mailing loits, but cc'ed to cliff directly
01:39 < rxr> how could cliff saw this - he only got two or three mails - no open discussion on the rock-linux list
01:39 < rxr> Cliff even opened an Vienna hack-even to get the stable tree on track
01:39 < Mike1> we were forced to make such list for the constant problmes between stable and devlopment teams back then
01:39 < rxr> huebi agreed to all the points - but nothing happend ...
01:40 * -> esden was also there in vienna and can approve that
01:40 < Mike1> rxr: believe me there was such discussion, but was made only with cliff and rock-1.6 developers
01:40 < rxr> Mike1: one more point! We said so many times "don't do this" and not only huebie but other devels too, said "we need this"
01:40 < tsa> n8
01:40 < Mike1> n8 tsa
01:41 < esden> n8 tsa 
01:41 < rxr> how could Cliff see that also the others devels working on 1.5 where unhappy
01:41 < rxr> n8 tsa
01:41 < Mike1> we were unhappy with the management
01:41 < Mike1> but decided to get the tree working
01:41 < rxr> you even introduced a rock-1.5 list not on rocklinux.org ...
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01:41 < Mike1> all what we needed was more "authority
01:42 < rxr> anyway let's work on a better future - you are all invited
01:42 < Mike1> rxr: yes thats true, we did a seperate mailing list because as i just said there huge fights between stable and devel tree's
01:42 < rxr> btw: I have not gotten the mail you all speak about - what is it's ID or subject ?
01:42 < Mike1> rxr: i can even remeber you and pj with the sf packages..
01:43 < rxr> Mike1: you still don't get it: This was no fight - but annoyence that 1.6 takes the wrong path - and the 1.5 people simply moved away! From this action I could not get that the 1.5 people need _more_ authority ...
01:43 < Mike1> rxr the mail was sent to the private rock-1.5 tree and to clifford him self only, as we knew there would be fights if it was sent to the official list as well as bad reputation
01:43 < rxr> Mike1: this was not a 1.5 issue ...
01:44 < rxr> And I spend many nights fixing them - nearly alone ...
01:44 < rxr> Mike1: no I meant the mail from today ...
01:44 < Mike1> rxr: ah.
01:44 < Mike1> mom i show you
01:45 < Mike1> http://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/rock-linux/2003-4/640.html
01:45 < esden> guys .. I think discussing old stuff is leading to nothing ... we should concentrate on the future and make it better ...
01:45 < Mike1> esden: yes maybe you are right
01:45 < Mike1> rxr: btw i hope this is not a "fight".
01:46 < esden> 1.6 was a disaster and I think that everyone can approve that ... and we hopefully learned something from it ...
01:46 < esden> now we have to do it a better way ...
01:46 < Mike1> esden: a lot was learned from it.
01:47 < esden> I think every project that is growing has to make mistakes one time so that they do not happen in the future ...
01:47 < esden> I think that _WE_ will make it better in the future
01:48 < Mike1> yes
01:48 < esden> now noone should give up ... but work harder and communicate with others in a better way so that something like this does not happen another time ...
01:49 < Mike1> yeah.
01:49 < rxr> Mike1: no this is not a fight - I simply do not know how we should have seen that the 1.5 devels are unhappy ...
01:50 < rxr> so - now conentrating on the futue ;-)
01:50 < Mike1> rxr: yes, you and esden are right
01:50 * rxr why can't this damn dual box boot my CDs ... *wonder* *kick*
01:50 < esden> rxr: I have known about it ... but I did not know how to express it ... and to which person ...
01:51 < esden> ok ... I think the topic is finished ...
01:51 < rxr> ;-)
01:51 < esden> I have now the possibility to choose between going to bed or hacking a bit on m4 ;-)
01:51 < esden> s/on/in/
01:51 < rxr> ough - and koffice still compiling ...
01:52 < rxr> I need a new box ........
01:52 < esden> what targets are you compiling currently?
01:52 < esden> rxr: not only you needs a faster box ... >_<
01:52 < Mike1> rxr: you don't need a new box, you need a cluster
01:52 < Mike1> or an smp box
01:52 < esden> Mike1: no ... a cray ;-)
01:52 < mnemoc> none of you takes 6 hours building linux24 :)
01:53 < esden> mnemoc: noone of us is so hard as you are ;-)
01:53 < Mike1> mnemoc: thats 1/3 of my whole buildtime
01:53 < mnemoc> =)
01:53 < Mike1> esden: mnemoc is not hard, just insane
01:53 < mnemoc> :(
01:53 < rxr> hm - shit gigabyte doesn't seem to have bioses for i 430 HX bords anymore :-(
01:53 < esden> Mike1: ROFL
01:53 < Mike1> mnemoc: just kidding :PP
01:53 < mnemoc> i know ;-)
01:54 < Mike1> rxr: what about openbios?
01:54 < rxr> hm - the box is unstable now - and doesn't want to boot from CD - I do not think this will improve with open bios :-(
01:55 < Mike1> rxr: :((
01:55 < Mike1> rxr: floppies?
01:55 < Mike1> *vbeg*
01:55 < Mike1> mnemoc: btw is good to see you doing some talking, you are oftenly too shy, almost like ringo78
01:56 < esden> Mike1: ACK
01:56 * -> esden updating the developer gallery
01:56 < rxr> hm giga-byte is strange
01:57 < rxr> the web-server does not allow directory listings
01:57 < rxr> and the ftp server refuses to connect ...
01:57 < Mike1> esden: i need you to change some info of my on it
01:57 < ringo78> ?
01:57 < Mike1> hi ringo78 welcome
01:58 < mnemoc> Mike1: i can't intervine too much if i take a whole screen in writing one line
01:58 < ringo78> hello me reader ...
01:58 < Mike1> lol
01:58 < Mike1> mnemoc: why a whole screen?
01:59 < esden> Dan Kegel really has a problem >_<
01:59 < mnemoc> when you are discussing... i miss the line i want to answer before ending to write
01:59 < rxr> http://www.prolib.com/wwwpub/mother/gigabyte/super7/430hx.htm
01:59 < rxr> :-(
01:59 < mnemoc> not just my box is slow :-\
01:59 < esden> Mike1: send me an email ;-)
02:00 < Mike1> esden: why not just in query?
02:00 < Mike1> mnemoc: btw what are you waiting for? your head is wanted in the rock linux developers gallery
02:00 < mnemoc> i don't have any damn picture of me :(
02:00 < esden> mnemoc: send me an image of your face ... !!!
02:01 < esden> mnemoc: then make one
02:01 < esden> but fast!!!
02:01 < mnemoc> i'll scan and oldone... just to test
02:02 < Mike1> mnemoc: else we will put an ugly face :)
02:02 < mnemoc> :P
02:02 < esden> mnemoc: send me an old one ... but send me one ... later you can send me a newer when you have one
02:02 < mnemoc> i'll have to scan my head
02:03 < Mike1> mnemoc: so do it
02:03 < mnemoc> good point... as usual
02:03 < esden> mnemoc: put your face on the scanner and scan it ;-)
02:05 < rxr> hm
02:05 < rxr> Supports Pentium processor, POPDP running at 75-200 MHz, Cyrix 6x86, and AMD 5k86 Processor.
02:05 < rxr> Support Dual 321 Pins (Socket 7) ZIF white socket on board, and Dual POWER (2.8V/3.3V) Processor.
02:05 < rxr> do fall 2 233 Mhz MMX CPUs into this range ?!?
02:07 < esden> mnemoc: chile is where? excuse me but my brain is not really functional at the moment ;-)
02:07 < esden> besides copying stuff
02:11 < Mike1> esden: i feel so damn proud to be on top, so make sure you read the last names properly
02:11 < Mike1> :)
02:13 < ringo78> Why do I get a segfault when I do "mine -i -R /target *.gem" ?
02:14 < rxr> ringo78: hm - you shouldn't - which mine version? Could you provide a backtrace ?
02:14 < rxr> hm - the old dual box seems to have the latest bios :-(
02:15 < Mike1> rxr: can't you boot from floppies??
02:16 < esden> Mike1: O_o
02:16 < mnemoc> esden: chile is the south-western edge of america
02:17 < rxr> Mike1: don't now (has no floppy - maybe this is the problem for CD booting ?) - but I want to test the 2.0.0-beta ISO not some floppy disks ...
02:18 < Mike1> rxr: mm..
02:18 < Mike1> you can specify so on the bios?
02:18 < Mike1> or not?
02:19 < rxr> "so on the bios" - you mean to boot from CD ?
02:19 < Mike1> yes
02:20 < Mike1> yes you can you tell it to use cdrom as the first device to boot?
02:20 < rxr> sure
02:20 < rxr> it even tries and prints "faild" ...
02:20 < rxr> +e
02:20 < Mike1> ok so maybe it or hardware fail, or that the speed that you burned the cd at, doesn't let the cdrom read it
02:20 < Mike1> don't ask it has heepened to me
02:22 < rxr> hm unlikely - I tried a 2.0.0-beta CD-RW _and_ the old 2.0.0-TechPrev2 from CD-R ...
02:22 < Mike1> mmm... weird!
02:22 < Mike1> so it might the cdrom itself
02:22 < rxr> maybe it is the missing floppy - many bios' have problems with this - either freeze or fail ... :-(
02:22 < rxr> no - it worked some days ago in my fathers box ...
02:23 < Mike1> mm..
02:23 < Mike1> why don't you put on a different one just in case
02:23 < rxr> I'll continue testing tomorrow (stupid hardware - long live the working ROCK Linux ;-)
02:23 < Mike1> i mean you won't loose anything by trying
02:23 < rxr> Mike1: I di not have too many ... ;-)
02:23 < Mike1> hehe
02:23 < esden> mnemoc: check your data in the gallery please ...
02:23 < Mike1> i would borrow you one if you were here
02:23 < esden> you should be there already
02:24 < rxr> I first tried with my external SCSI tower (incl 2 CDROMs) some weaks ago
02:24 < rxr> I thought the SCSI bios is too dump
02:24 < rxr> so now I tried the IDE CD ...
02:24 < Mike1> this is really weird
02:24 < rxr> but anyway - maybe I'll take vmware tomorrow (currently it doesn't like my kernel) or get some other box to boot tomorrow ...
02:24 < rxr> cu
02:24 < rxr> n8 to all
02:25 < ringo78> n8 rxr
02:25 < rxr> oh and koffice is still building .... - falling asleep ...
02:27 < esden> ok ... gallery updated
02:28 < ringo78> I think *.gem expands to to large cmdline...
02:28 < esden> ok ... smoking another tabac bar ;-)
02:28 < Mike1> n8 Ren
02:28 < esden> n8 rxr 
02:28 < Mike1> also i am off
02:28 * Mike1 going to chruch
02:28 < Mike1> cu all
02:28 < ringo78> by Mike1
02:29 < esden> Mike1: please pray for me ...
02:29 < rxr> esden: when you are at it - gallery lists a 1.6 maintainer ...
02:30 < esden> hmm ... what should I change there?
02:30 < esden> should I remove that?
02:30 < Mike1> rxr: add the 2.0 maintainer
02:31 < mnemoc> esden: i born in Santiago .... and got a 'picture'... but... is old and with tie :\
02:31 < esden> np ... send it !!!
02:31 < Mike1> mnemoc: send it we all wann see you in tie :P
02:32 * Mike1 gone now for real
02:32 < rxr> esden: hm dunno - maybe "maintained the deprecated 1.6 tree" ...
02:32 * rxr sleeping now for dreams ;-)
02:32 < mnemoc> :(
02:32 < esden> rxr: lool
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02:34 < esden> mnemoc: come on ... do it ... otherwise I will come by ;-) ... and I do not think that you want that ;-)
02:35 < mnemoc> i'll ask my wife ;)
02:35 < esden> urgh ... when I search for esden on google I get 10 pages >_<
02:35 < mnemoc> mom
02:36 < esden> no ... 4,910 hits >_<
02:36 < esden> even worse
02:42 < ringo78> n8 alle
02:44 < esden> n8 ringo78 
02:44 < mnemoc> png or jpg?
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03:03 < esden> mnemoc: all the images I have there are jpg ... 150x150 pixel
03:04 < esden> expert hands ... lool
03:04 < mnemoc> i sent it in that format
03:05 < mnemoc> i'm quite ... ashamed showing with *that* look, but do not exist is worst ;-)
03:09 < esden> ok gallery updated
03:10 < esden> yes not existing at all is worse ;-)
03:10 < esden> but I think that that picture is nice ...
03:10 < esden> mnemoc: come by to the next meeting of rock developers and then we make some photo's of you
03:11 < esden> for example linux tag in karlsruhe ...
03:11 < esden> or Chaos Communication Camp
03:11 < esden> or 20c3 
03:11 < mnemoc> mmm....
03:12 < esden> ahh .. born not changed
03:12 < mnemoc> i'm from Chile ;)
03:14 < esden> ok ... now everything should be ok
03:15 < mnemoc> if i go to there again i'll try to visit one those meetings
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03:22 < esden> mnemoc: good
03:22 < esden> ok ... I go to bed ...
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03:23 < esden> I think that I am not able to produce anything usable today anymore ...
03:23 < esden> cu l8er
03:23 < mnemoc> cu...
03:23 < mnemoc> n8
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06:57 < blindcoder> moin
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08:34 < rxr> moin blindcoder
08:34 < rxr> Updated to revision 71.
08:45 < blindcoder> moin rxr
08:46 < blindcoder> rxrdo you already have a solution for gtk-perl10 imagemagick and irssi?
08:55 < rxr> irssi  fails ? :-(
08:55 < rxr> I have not taken a look into the others ...
08:56 < blindcoder> it's the perllocal.pod thing
08:57 < blindcoder> "just" shared files but the fix in gtk-perl10 and imagegagick doesn't help
08:58 < rxr> blindcoder: if you have fixes send them over ;-)
08:58 < rxr> btw: the flists are merged from the old and a new build
08:59 < blindcoder> I used the postflist hook to remove the perllocal.pod from the flist.txt
08:59 < blindcoder> but that's not really a clean fix
08:59 < rxr> so if you remove some files in the packages you will have to rm the packages flist - otherwise the file will not not disapear from the flist
08:59 < rxr> blindcoder: oh - yeah hack ... ;-)
09:00 < blindcoder> yeah :(
09:06 * blindcoder now getting sew sources after cvs up
09:21 < _NULL_> good morning
09:22 < blindcoder> moin nully
09:22 < _NULL_> blindcoder: do you know when 2.0 will be released (stable)
09:22 < blindcoder> _NULL_: no.
09:22 < _NULL_> blindcoder: :-( thx
09:22 < blindcoder> _NULL_: some time the next months
09:23 < _NULL_> the next months?
09:23 < _NULL_> uff.. not just some weeks?
09:24 < blindcoder> I don't know... maybe rxr can say more about ' possible timeframe
09:25 < _NULL_> rxr: do you know it? ;)
09:44 < rxr> I plan to do so next month
09:45 < rxr> so max four weeks ...
09:45 < rxr> why are you show interest _NULL_ ?
09:45 < _NULL_> rxr: because i want to use this stable tree to fork...
09:45 < _NULL_> thx. btw
09:46 < kasc> looks like i have enough time to add some more games then
09:46 < kasc> moin, btw
09:46 < _NULL_> kasc: hi
09:47 < _NULL_> rxr: for your tree i need to use rsync, don't i?
09:57 < rxr> no subversion
09:57 < rxr> but currently cliffs and my tree are very close (only some lines) so you could also do a cvs checkout
09:57 < rxr> _NULL_: why do you have to fork ?
09:57 < _NULL_> rxr: ...
09:57 < _NULL_> i guess we talked about it...
09:57 < blindcoder> brb
10:02 < blindcoder> back
10:02 * blindcoder now installing mail-bounce
10:13 < blindcoder> done
11:08 < esden> good morning
11:13 < _NULL_> hi esden
11:16 < kasc> moin esden
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11:23 < blindcoder> moin esden
11:25 < esden> moin blindcoder 
11:25 < blindcoder> esden: my money?
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11:26 < _HulK_> hi there
11:26 < _HulK_> anyone's up?
11:26 < blindcoder> nope
11:27 < _HulK_> hi blind
11:27 < blindcoder> hi :)
11:27 < _HulK_> could u suggest me a good web developer tool?
11:27 < blindcoder> vim
11:27 < _HulK_> any other?
11:27 < blindcoder> no
11:28 < _HulK_> ok
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11:34 < rxr> ah the 1.6 mail arrived now ;-)
11:34 < esden> ok ... answered chris indirect m4 question ;-)
11:35 < _NULL_> rxr: could you please forward it to my adress? /me needs something to be amused about... and i guess with this mail i will be...
11:35 < esden> rxr: it arrived yesterday o_O
11:36 < blindcoder> esden: my money....
11:36 < esden> urgh
11:36 < esden> yes ...
11:36 < blindcoder> yes
11:36 < esden> but I have 9eur currently on my account
11:37 < esden> I can pay it tomorrow or so ... when my monthly money is there
11:37 < _NULL_> you're a rich man, esden
11:37 < blindcoder> oh... well... then you're only missing a few ones :)
11:37 < blindcoder> esden: sure. no problem. Just wanted to remind you
11:37 < esden> ack
11:38 * blindcoder looking forward to next weeks kernel traffic
11:43 < esden> hungry ...
11:44 * blindcoder hands esden one of his co-worker's cookies
11:44 < esden> thanks
11:44 * -> esden putting a pizza in the oven
11:45 < blindcoder> hehe
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11:48 < blindcoder> hi Bellyeye
11:48 < Bellyeye> hi
11:48 < Bellyeye> just been looking at the web site
11:48 < Bellyeye> trying to work out how rock fits into the scheme of things
11:48 < Bellyeye> It seems to concentrate on building a distro CD from source
11:49 < Bellyeye> but from then onwards . . . .
11:49 < Bellyeye> installation, package management, etc . .
11:49 < Bellyeye> I could find nothing
11:49 < Bellyeye> Is there a maintenance/upgrade strategy?
11:50 < esden> there is a script for upgrading a system ... 
11:50 < esden> I have never tested it
11:50 < Bellyeye> upgrading in-place, from sources?
11:50 < esden> but I upgrade my system using Build-Pkg and it works very well
11:50 < Bellyeye> OK, something I'm not familiar with
11:51 < esden> I upgrade from sources
11:51 < esden> but there are surely others that upgrade from .gem packages (binary packages)
11:51 < Bellyeye> OK, didn't see anything about .gem either on the website
11:52 < esden> Bellyeye: I think that you should take a look at this : http://www.rocklinux.org/people/pjotr/guide.download/
11:52 < Bellyeye> will do, thanks
11:52 < esden> Bellyeye: that all is very new ... we are in front of 2.0 stable release now ... and documentation will be there ... but it will take some time
11:54 < esden> gem is described here: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/clifford/GEM-MINE/GEM-MINE
11:54 < Bellyeye> Dunno how I missed that!
11:54 < esden> finding information on the web is very difficult ... I have to admit that
11:54 < esden> but we are working on that ...
11:55 < esden> or at least thinking about the problem now ;-)
11:55 < Bellyeye> esden: it's not as difficult as I made out just now ;)
11:56 < Bellyeye> I was just blind for a few minutes
11:56 < esden> hehe
11:57 < Bellyeye> BTW I use Gentoo and Lunar ATM
11:58 < Bellyeye> But I tend towards the more minimalist stuff like Lunar
11:59 < esden> I do not know lunar
11:59 < esden> Bellyeye: It can be that you then like rock too
11:59 < Bellyeye> I can see strengths in both
11:59 < Bellyeye> I like the build-your-own CD aspect of Rock, which Lunar does not have
12:00 < Bellyeye> But I like Lunar's package management, and have even dabbled in the code myself
12:01 < esden> rock is a distribution build kit ... so you can put in there everything you like ... also other package menagment if you whish
12:01 < esden> we have currently two package types
12:02 < esden> simple .tar.gz and .gem ... if you like lunar package menagment then add it to rock ;-)
12:03 < Bellyeye> I am guessing .tar.gz is binary and .gem is source?
12:03 < esden> nope both is binary
12:04 < esden> but gem is a special format that makes acces to package meta data much faster
12:04 < esden> and easier
12:04 < Bellyeye> ah, then perhaps the Lunar (based on Sorcerer) approach would add something useful
12:05 < Bellyeye> AFAICT Lunar package management can be dropped in on top of a running system
12:05 < Bellyeye> YOu would just need to generate some (text) package lists
12:06 < Bellyeye> Sorcerer/Lunar is the most impressive package management I have seen anywhere
12:06 < Bellyeye> Even compared to Debian and Gentoo
12:06 < Bellyeye> KISS
12:06 < blindcoder> hmm... that would be similiar to our *.conf and *.desc files
12:06 < Bellyeye> It's all bash
12:07 < esden> blindcoder: that can be ...
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12:07 < Bellyeye> blindcoder: is that used in the CD build, or after installation, or both?
12:07 < blindcoder> Bellyeye: both
12:07 < esden> you can use it in both I would say ...
12:07 < Bellyeye> Still looking for references to that in the docs
12:07 < blindcoder> Bellyeye: building the CD and upgrading from source as well as basic configuration of system (if you decide to use stone)
12:08 < blindcoder> it's all written in bash
12:08 < blindcoder> intermixed with a whisp of perl for regression tests
12:08 * Bellyeye is suspicious of wisps ;)
12:08 < esden> and c code for wrappers that are needed here and there ;-)
12:09 < esden> Bellyeye: you normally do not use the stuff written in perl ... that is only for testing some very specific stuff of rock
12:09 < blindcoder> Bellyeye: there's a bit of perl for performance-testing and graphical output of the Distributed Build System
12:10 < Bellyeye> OK, still haven't found any refs to .conf or .desc in the guide, going back to the website . . .
12:11 < esden> mom ...
12:11 < esden> http://www.rocklinux.org/sources/Documentation/
12:14 < Bellyeye> OK, a couple of questions:
12:15 < Bellyeye> 1. what's the command to install a package from source
12:15 < Bellyeye> 2. What's the command to remove it
12:15 < blindcoder> cd /usr/src/rock-src
12:15 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Pkg nethack
12:15 < blindcoder> will install nethack from source
12:16 < esden> blindcoder: do not forget Download
12:16 < blindcoder> and mine -r nethack removes it
12:16 < Bellyeye> esden: I assumed that was covered
12:16 < Bellyeye> blindcoder: mine? [g]
12:16 < blindcoder> you can also do for x in `cat /var/adm/flists/nethack ; do rm -rf $x ; done
12:17 < esden> no ... not yet ... I think that I will put it in the code ... 
12:17 < esden> when you run Build-Pkg and the sources are not there try to get them
12:18 < esden> if it is switched on in the config
12:18 < blindcoder> esden: maybe there should be a check to see if Download was called from Build-Pkg or Build-Target then...
12:18 < Bellyeye> esden: that's pretty much the standard these days ;)
12:18 < blindcoder> Bellyeye: yes. but since ROCK is a Disto Build Kit and not a Distro itself, it's a bit different :)
12:19 < esden> Bellyeye: installing packages from sources directly to a running system was not the main idea ... it is not a portage or ports tree
12:19 < Bellyeye> blindcoder: yes, that is what I am trying to establish
12:19 < esden> it is a distribution build kit
12:19 < Bellyeye> OK, let me explain [g]
12:19 < esden> it can be used the way ports/portage works but that is not the main gole
12:19 < Bellyeye> I would like to build a Lunar-style installation ISO
12:20 < Bellyeye> and it occurred that Rock provides facilities that Lunar doesn't, in that regard
12:20 < esden> you meand put the cd in the machine boot it and compile the sources on the cd directly to your system?
12:20 < Bellyeye> Not exactly
12:21 < Bellyeye> I mean use Rock to build up a binary base system, and boot into the Lunar installer
12:21 < Bellyeye> and from then build as Lunar
12:21 < Bellyeye> It would be a bit of a mongrel system!
12:21 < Bellyeye> But also
12:22 < Bellyeye> If Rock had aspirations to be a . . . dunno what the word is!
12:22 < esden> nice sounds interesting
12:23 < Bellyeye> But if you wanted to take Rock into the unknown yonder,
12:23 < blindcoder> hmm.. don't know if this makes much sense... doesn't Lunar have its own way of installing itself?
12:23 < Bellyeye> You could drop eg. Lunar Package management in as a extension
12:23 < Bellyeye> blindcoder: yes
12:23 < Bellyeye> and it's rather good, considering it's all bash/dialog
12:24 < Bellyeye> but no easy way to generate ISOs
12:24 < blindcoder> hmm... okay... that would of course be possible.
12:24 < Bellyeye> FWIW everything I've said about Lunar package management applies to Sorcerer and Sourcew Mage, too
12:24 < blindcoder> Building a minimal package set to launch  a sinngle program...
12:24 < blindcoder> from CD
12:25 < blindcoder> hmm... sure would be possible.
12:25 < Bellyeye> blindcoder: I don't understand the ramifications fully myself
12:25 < Bellyeye> But the Rock installation would become a Live CD, along with a set of binaries for building the rest of the system
12:26 < Bellyeye> I might have made a mistake, but I need to think about it a bit more
12:26 < blindcoder> hmm
12:26 < blindcoder> there are plans for a ROCK Linux Live-CD
12:26 < blindcoder> and I think I know what it is you want to do....
12:27 < Bellyeye> blindcoder: you are level with me then ;)
12:27 < blindcoder> I think so
12:27 < blindcoder> Sourcerer is a bit like Gentoo IIRC
12:27 < blindcoder> you install the packages by building them
12:28 < Bellyeye> Much, much simpler
12:28 < Bellyeye> yes
12:28 < Bellyeye> Gentoo uses Python
12:28 < Bellyeye> Lunar uses bash
12:28 < blindcoder> so all you need is a shell and a compiler
12:28 < Bellyeye> Gentoo has lots of added strangeness
12:28 < Bellyeye> Lunar is more "traditional"
12:30 < blindcoder> yes, but does i need more than a shell and a compiler?
12:31 < blindcoder> (plus usual utils like coreutils, tar, gzip, bzip2, glibc, etc)
12:31 < Bellyeye> That's the sort of stuff, base system level
12:32 < Bellyeye> Small is as good as big, just smaller ;)
12:32 < blindcoder> heh, I'd like some girls say that one time or another....
12:32 < blindcoder> erm... disregard that, please :)
12:32 < Bellyeye> too late [g]
12:33 < Bellyeye> The Lunar ISO is approaching 200 MB ATM
12:33 < blindcoder> 200MB? htat's not that much IMO
12:33 < Bellyeye> But I'd like to see if I can shrink it at all
12:33 < Bellyeye> Also I want to hack on their installer
12:33 < Bellyeye> So I NEED a way to build a bas system
12:34 < blindcoder> hmm
12:34 < blindcoder> a generic ROCK build should help you there
12:34 < blindcoder> if you modify the bootdisk target a bit to include gcc it should have all you need
12:34 < Bellyeye> Ideally I could do that, and somehow add the Lunar stuff and hook into the installer before making the ISO
12:34 < blindcoder> gcc, automake, autoconf... the buildsrequired things
12:35 < blindcoder> that wouldn't be such a problem
12:35 < Bellyeye> I should be able to generate a list of packages
12:35 < blindcoder> the 'target' system of ROCK 1.7/2.0 would suppport such a thing
12:35 < Bellyeye> Too many won't hurt
12:35 < blindcoder> take the bootdisk-target as an example
12:35 < Bellyeye> And I'll soon find out if anything's missing [g]
12:35 < Bellyeye> blindcoder: sounds good
12:35 < blindcoder> there you would only have to modify the package list to include things you need and be done
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12:36 < blindcoder> the file build_stage2.sh contains the list of packages that'll get extracted to initrd
12:37 < blindcoder> if you've changed the package list, the rest should be only changing some helpstexts
12:37 < Bellyeye> Just a question of whether I could hook into the Lunar installer
12:38 < Bellyeye> I can see Moon Rocks !
12:38 < blindcoder> in theory, yes
12:38 < esden> hmm ... from what I see till now it should be no problem to integrate lunar as a target in rocklinux
12:39 < blindcoder> just create a package "lunar_installer" and put that into the 2nd stage filesystem
12:39 < Bellyeye> esden: yes, it certainly looks like it's worth studying further.
12:39 < blindcoder> esden: yes. with the bootdisk as template it shouldn't be much of a problem
12:39 < Bellyeye> I think I need to go away and reflect a bit . . .
12:39 < blindcoder> that way you could also do portage, debian, whatever
12:40 < Bellyeye> blindcoder: that would attact a lot if interest I think
12:40 < esden> hehe ... blindcoder I am sure that you could add suse as a target to rocklinux ...
12:40 < blindcoder> esden: sure. it's only .rpm after all
12:40 < esden> hehe ;-)
12:41 < blindcoder> the packages are on anonymous FTP servers...
12:41 < blindcoder> so... yes... you could
12:41 < esden> loool
12:41 < blindcoder> and wrap it up nicely into a usable installer :D
12:41 < esden> no I mean really create a target
12:41 < blindcoder> esden: me, too
12:41 < esden> that is building the packages ...
12:41 < blindcoder> oh... hmm...
12:41 < esden> not downloading them
12:41 < blindcoder> I'm not going to fsck around with rpm
12:42 * -> esden neither
12:42 < esden> I only want to say that if someone is ill enough to mess around with rpm it is possible
12:42 < Bellyeye> Right, having stirred the pot, I really must go and look into this!  Thanks for the pointers.
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12:43 < blindcoder> hehe, den ham wir zugelaberrt :)
12:43 < esden> blindcoder: ich glaube den haben wir rumgekriegt ;-)
12:43 < blindcoder> esden: ja. aber die idee hat wirklich was
12:44 * -> esden reaches his hand to blindcoder 
12:44 * blindcoder shakes hands with esden
12:44 < esden> hehe
12:44 < esden> yes the idea is pretty nice ...
12:44 < blindcoder> SuSE 10.0 (powered by ROCK LInux)
12:44 < esden> that would finally show that rock is powerfull when we integrate a distribution that existed outside of rock
12:45 < esden> blindcoder: that would be nice too
12:45 < esden> but to do that we still need a lot more of flexibility
12:45 < blindcoder> no it wouldn't... imagine all the SuSE dummies come here to #rocklinux for help _><
12:45 < esden> urgh
12:45 < esden> yes
12:45 < esden> no
12:45 < esden> we would be in a closed channel #rocklinux-dev
12:46 < blindcoder> brb... phone
12:49 < blindcoder> back
12:49 < esden> urgh lunar is pretty difficult to install
12:49 < esden> http://lunar-linux.org/pipermail/lunar.old/2002-July/001952.html <- installation guide 
12:51 < blindcoder> *click*
12:52 < blindcoder> well, looks just like the ROCK "install without a CD" guide
12:52 < esden> yes ;-)
12:53 < esden> somehow
12:53 < esden> hmm but where is the guide how to install it when you have a cdrom ? o_O
12:54 < blindcoder> throw in the CD && boot the CD && follow the instructions on the screen
12:54 < esden> :P
12:55 < blindcoder> what else?
12:56 < esden> donno ... something more difficult?
12:56 < esden> ok ... downloading lunar iso
13:09 * -> esden looking at lunar
13:10 < blindcoder> *look*
13:10 < daja77> re
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13:12 < blindcoder> re daja77
13:12 < blindcoder> wb nully
13:12 < esden> ok ... lunar is only a package menagment syntem as far as I see it till now
13:12 < daja77> hi _NULL_
13:12 < _NULL_> re
13:12 < esden> re _NULL_ 
13:12 < esden> re daja77 
13:12 < daja77> hi esden, blindcoder
13:13 < daja77> *yawn*
13:13 < esden> moonbase is comparable with our package directory
13:15 < esden> in each package there is a DETAILS file comparable with our .desc files ... but it is pure shellscript 
13:15 < esden> someone want to see an example?
13:15 < daja77> esden: what are you talking about
13:16 < esden> daja77: about lunar linux
13:16 < daja77> uh what is it
13:16 < esden> daja77: see backlog beginning at 11:46
13:17 < daja77> *searching*
13:17 < esden> daja77: it is a source distribution 
13:17 < esden> daja77: http://www.lunar-linux.com
13:18 < esden> I have to admit that their system is much simpler then rock ...
13:18 < esden> but I think not so powerfull
13:19 < esden> yes lunar is a ports tree like implementation of package menagment based on shellscripts
13:19 < daja77> I've read your discussion *lol*
13:20 < esden> I think I will need one evening to make a lunar target
13:20 < esden> that is creating an installation iso for lunar
13:21 < blindcoder> esden: leave it to so else and make a livecd target
13:21 < esden> have I said that I will do it ...
13:21 < esden> I have other things to do ;-)
13:22 < blindcoder> yes
13:22 * blindcoder taking out the uclibc bullwhip
13:22 < esden> bullwhip ? o_O
13:23 < blindcoder> "Peitsche"
13:25 < esden> aha
13:25 * -> esden running
13:25 < blindcoder> esden: btw.: My CCS collection is complete :D
13:26 < esden> blindcoder: can I have it? can I? pleeeease
13:26 < blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
13:27 < blindcoder> maybe... *vbeg*
13:27 < esden> *cry* pleeease ... I will be very nice from this time on. I promise!
13:27 < blindcoder> sure
13:27 < esden> thank you master blindcoder *bow* *bow* *bow* *bow*
13:27 < blindcoder> somehow I don't believe this... but I'll try bringing it with me on Saturday
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13:28 < fake> gaaa!
13:28 < esden> thank you blindcoder *jump*
13:28 < esden> hi fake 
13:28 < fake> hi esden!
13:28 < daja77> hi fake
13:28 < fake> hi daja77
13:28 < blindcoder> hi fake
13:28 < esden> back from the ded?
13:28 < fake> hi blindcoder
13:29 < blindcoder> fake: sorry, I totally forgot about you on bChat
13:29 < _NULL_> hi fake
13:29 < fake> esden: Disposal of Explosive Devices?
13:29 < fake> hi owlita
13:30 < fake> yeah, i'm back, i am at school, half asleep, bored...
13:30 < esden> fake: hmm ... I think you can call that place that way too
13:30 < fake> and now it's time for a cigarette break
13:30 < blindcoder> heh. I'm at work. half asleep
13:30 < _NULL_> <-- full asleep and just updating my system (still)
13:30 < fake> esden: which place do you mean?
13:31 < fake> argh
13:31 < esden> the place of the dead ;-)
13:31 < esden> as you can imagine I have made a mistake above ...
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13:34 < blindcoder> esden: need a ride today?
13:34 < blindcoder> moin huebi_ !
13:34 < _NULL_> O_o huebi is alive? or is it just his ghost?
13:34 < esden> when are you driving home?
13:34 < esden> it seems that it is only a ghost
13:34 < blindcoder> esden: I'm leaving work at 16:00
13:34 < blindcoder> esden: if you can give me a time (+/- the usuall hour :) I can pick you up
13:35 < esden> hmm ... that is too late ... >_<
13:35 < blindcoder> when do you want to leave?
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13:35 < esden> uwe will drive me home ... he is going to leave earlier
13:35 < blindcoder> okay
13:35 < esden> I would like to leave _NOW_ ... but it will be faster when I wait for uwe
13:36 < blindcoder> hehe
13:36 < daja77> yeah blindcoder drive me home, I have no car today
13:36 < blindcoder> nothing to do today?
13:36 * -> esden has no car at the moment ... but from tomorrow I will have one *GG*
13:36 < blindcoder> daja77: you're in Munich and want to go to Ingolstadt?
13:36 < blindcoder> esden: I'll pick you up on Saturday by Inline Skates. You prepare your bike :D
13:37 < daja77> nope I am in Chemnitz and want to go somewhere else in Chemnitz, but a nice tour up to here *gg*
13:37 * -> esden is thinking about creating a rock development center in munich 
13:37 < esden> blindcoder: ok 
13:37 < _NULL_> why faster? don't you feel confident about the accuracy of the trains?
13:37 < blindcoder> daja77: nah don't like chemnitz.
13:38 < blindcoder> esden: rock dev center?
13:38 < esden> _NULL_: lol
13:38 < daja77> blindcoder: d'oh
13:38 < esden> blindcoder: ack ;-)
13:38 < blindcoder> esden: somewhere where rock devs and their buddies can crash?
13:38 < daja77> esden: *kick*
13:38 < blindcoder> esden: so I don't have to drive home each day? :D
13:39 < esden> daja77: I was acking the dev center post of blindcoder not that about chemnitz
13:39 < esden> blindcoder: ack ;-)
13:39 < blindcoder> esden: schweet. you pay :P
13:39 < daja77> esden: ;)
13:39 < esden> blindcoder: no commercial sponsors pay
13:40 < blindcoder> esden: whoever. :D
13:40 < daja77> esden: maybe there will be one, sorry can't tell you more about it, now
13:40 < blindcoder> I hate it when people start with "I know something really cool but I can't tell youm (now)"
13:41 < daja77> blindcoder: sorry
13:43 * -> esden will give a kiss to daja77 if he gets a commercial sponsor
13:43 < daja77> O_o *frightened*
13:43 < _NULL_> *lol*
13:43 < esden> that will give me a faster box ... or a strange and fast architecture
13:45 < blindcoder> esden: ROCK on Commodore 64
13:45 < esden> blindcoder: I said FAST 
13:45 < esden> but that would be nice too ;-)
13:45 < blindcoder> "Commodore 64, ist das richtig?"
13:46 < blindcoder> Ah I just love that song :)
13:46 < esden> commodore 128 4Ghz
13:46 < esden> that would be ok ;-)
13:46 < blindcoder> "Commodore 64, ist das richtig?"
13:46 < blindcoder> "Ja, 64."
13:46 < blindcoder> "Und wenn man das durch zwei teilt?"
13:47 < blindcoder> "Das ist... 32."
13:47 < blindcoder> "Und wenn man das umdreht?"
13:47 < blindcoder> "Das ist... DREI UND ZWANZIG!"
13:50 < _NULL_> *lol* if this would run, it would be funny...
13:51 < blindcoder> hm?
13:53 < _NULL_> blindcoder: C64.. /me still has 2 ;p
13:54 < esden> wee that is nice ... my m4 script is getting nicer and nicer
13:55 < blindcoder> _NULL_: sweet.
13:56 < _NULL_> jup
13:58 < blindcoder> esden: do you know how much hthe dance-lessons are?
13:59 < esden> blindcoder: nope ... no idea
13:59 < blindcoder> esden: hmm... damn...
13:59 < blindcoder> ah well, I think I'll leave at 15:00 today
14:16 < fake> hm...
14:17 < fake> man, am i bored
14:17 < fake> i got full points on the last test in programming - and almost no points on social engineering ;)
14:17 < daja77> play with yourself...
14:18 < fake> daja77: people are watching
14:18 < daja77> hehe
14:18 < _NULL_> and i got 15 of 16 points in programming. this test wasn't hard
14:18 < esden> fake: make them not watching ... do you need a knife?
14:18 < daja77> which did you missed
14:18 < blindcoder> fake: "almost"?
14:19 < fake> i need weapons. lots of weapons.
14:19 < fake> blindcoder: eine gnadenvier *g*
14:19 < daja77> *changing matrix...*
14:19 < fake> i stated germany has 15 counties, and that hitler was gay
14:19 < fake> and fun stuff like that
14:19 < daja77> fake: ack in the latter part
14:20 < _NULL_> fake: why a "gnadenvier"?
14:21 < esden> ahh the x86 kernel.conf.m4 is now much nicer ...
14:21 < fake> _NULL_: he counted all half- and quarter-points as full points "accidentaly" ;))
14:21 < esden> and kernel.conf.sh is only one line long ;-)
14:21 < _NULL_> ouch
14:22 < esden> but still m4 is braindead 
14:22 < daja77> ack again
14:23 * -> esden made a case like structure in m4 ;-)
14:25 < esden> ok ... creating patch and sending to clifford ... I am really asking myself what he will say to that
14:25 < daja77> esden: you changed kernel.conf
14:25 < esden> not the content ... only the way it is created
14:26 < daja77> O_o
14:26 < daja77> can I set the $ver in parse-config-9 from rtai?
14:28 < esden> I am not sure ... perhups?
14:29 < esden> daja77: see for yourself: http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/kernel.conf.patch
14:30 < esden> I have not tested it in a build yet ... but if it does not really work you get at least the idea
14:30 < daja77> esden: ok, looks like no harm to me
14:30 < daja77> ;)
14:30 -!- maisenhe [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:31 < esden> nope ... it is only a beautify patch
14:31 -!- maisenhe is now known as rolla
14:31 < esden> hi rolla 
14:32 < daja77> hi rolla
14:32 < _NULL_> hi rolla
14:33 < esden> ok ... running test build 
14:37 < rolla> re
14:37 < daja77> rolla: how are you?
14:38 < rolla> good as long as there are no more power outages
14:38 * blindcoder taking a big axe and walking off to rolla's power supply cord
14:38 < daja77> power outages, why?
14:39 < esden> blindcoder: you are a bad boy ;-)
14:39 < blindcoder> esden: thanks. even my mum called me "evil" yesterday :)
14:39 < daja77> blindcoder: she is right
14:40 < blindcoder> daja77: muahahaha
14:40 < esden> blindcoder: yes she is right ;-)
14:40 < esden> your mom knowy you the best ... so ;-)
14:40 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506D94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
14:40 < blindcoder> esden: I asked her two days ago to wash my training suit till I get home the next day.
14:40 < daja77> hmm no angel message this time
14:41 < blindcoder> esden: when I came home she meant "Don't you want to ask me something?" - "No. What should I ask you?" - "About me washing your training suit."
14:41 < blindcoder> "I just took it for granted that you'd washed it by now."
14:41 < blindcoder> "WHAT IS THAT..."
14:41 < blindcoder> "I know how realiable you are :)"
14:41 < blindcoder> then my father burst out into laughter :D
14:41 < rolla> :)
14:42 < fake> cool
14:42 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE219DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux
14:42 < esden> blindcoder: lol
14:42 < esden> re Lorini 
14:42 < fake> my internal bluetooth really works
14:42 < fake> i can read the minds of handies now ;)
14:42 < blindcoder> hi Lorini !
14:43 < fake> hi andrea
14:43 < blindcoder> fake: I'm happy if I know what my own mind does... let alone those of my electronic devices
14:43 < daja77> hey Lorini, wb Angel ;)
14:43 < esden> fake: telepathy over bluetooth?
14:43 < fake> esden: yeo', that's a new profile
14:43 < esden> fake: write an rfc ;-)
14:44 < fake> rfc 81U3T00TH
14:46 < esden> ok ... so you know what you have to do when you are bored fake 
14:48 -!- senaxl [~senaxl@p50827218.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:48 < senaxl> Huhu..
14:48 < esden> ok ... ripping a lacrimos cd
14:48 < esden> hi senaxl 
14:49 < esden> lacrimosa though
14:49 < daja77> esden: doin ogg files?
14:49 < blindcoder> esden: using arson?
14:50 < esden> daja77: ack
14:50 < esden> blindcoder: nope ...
14:51 < esden> ok ... off to ingolstadt
14:51 < esden> cu all
14:51 < senaxl> tschö...
14:51 < daja77> bye esden
14:51 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958DD34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:52 < tcr> moin all
14:52 < daja77> hi tcr
14:52 < senaxl> Hi :)
14:53 < tcr> moin daja77, senaxl.
14:55 < blindcoder> esden: shame on you :)
14:56 < blindcoder> I think I'll leave now, too
14:56 < blindcoder> baba
14:56 < daja77> bye blindcoder
14:56 < tcr> cu
14:56 < Lorini> hi everybody
14:56 < tcr> moin Lorini
14:57 < senaxl> Huhu Lorini :)
14:57 < fake> wee
14:57 < fake> my x works, too
14:57 < fake> in 1280x600
14:57 < fake> ;))
14:58 < _NULL_> on which machine? 1400x1040 *hrhr*
14:58 < fake> jogdial works, brighntes works, acpi works... seems nice
14:58 < fake> _NULL_: a sony
14:58 < fake> memorystick works...
14:59 < fake> if only the mpeg2-encoder....
14:59 < fake> ah, break again
14:59 < rolla> fake
14:59 < fake> brb
14:59 < fake> rolla: i'll have a cigarettem then i'm back
15:00 < Lorini> 24 h???
15:01 < Lorini> öh.. forget it, wrong window
15:01 < senaxl> ;)
15:14 * daja77 has a bad karma when dealing with women .oO
15:16 < daja77> hmm nice, I got mail from borland, subject: your visti at cebit2003, I have't been to cebit at all, this year >_<
15:18 < senaxl> "Boring"  -- Larry McVoy (CeBIT x ;)
15:18 < Mike1> moin
15:18 < senaxl> Huhu :)
15:18 < tcr> moin Mike1!
15:19 < tcr> daja77: what's within that mail?
15:19 < daja77> annoucement of a dev conference or so
15:20 < tcr> And you're invited? %)
15:21 < daja77> haven't read through -> don't care
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15:21 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder
15:22 < Lorini> * daja77 has a bad karma when dealing with women .oO   <<< why that?
15:22 < Lorini> hi Mike1
15:22 < tcr> Lorini: occurence of an acute case of impotence from time to time ;)) He's such a old and fat boy, I'm afraid
15:23 < daja77> Lorini: dunno, maybe you can tell me
15:23 < daja77> tcr: she was asking me not you :P
15:23 < Lorini> daja77: no .. surely not
15:23 < daja77> damn
15:24 < Lorini> tcr: *g*
15:24 < tcr> daja77: Well, I made me to your official speaker :P
15:24 < tcr> daja77: Please feel honored by that! ;)
15:24 < fake> re
15:24 < daja77> tcr: I am, really
15:25 < fake> rolla: whazzup?
15:25 < Lorini> lol
15:25 < Lorini> so now i have to talk to tcr?
15:26 < Mike1> Wie geht's Lorini
15:26 < Lorini> spitze
15:26 < Lorini> (did you understand that?)
15:26 < daja77> Lorini: please, no >_<
15:26 < tcr> Lorini: Yes, for all private issues talk to me, for the rest, well, I don't care about that, so..
15:26 < Lorini> lol
15:28 < fake> non-private things go to /dev/null ?
15:28 < daja77> tcr: private issues are not for you, only business
15:29 < tcr> You mean sexuality is like a business for you? No wonder why you haven't a good karma to women ... ;)
15:30 < fake> oh, we're writing a sweet test about ploymorphism in java now
15:30 < daja77> tcr: nope, you are not my speaker in these affairs you know, I'd risk my reputation
15:30 < Lorini> daja77: you have chosen a _very_ good speaker, respect..
15:31 < daja77> Lorini: huh?
15:31 < tcr> *g*
15:31 < Lorini> *g*
15:31 < tcr> daja77 is pwnd!
15:31 < tcr> fake: wee, good luck then
15:31 * daja77 kisses tcr
15:32 < Mike1> 0_o
15:32 < Lorini> ok boys, i have to go again.. someone's waiting for me ;)
15:32 * Mike1 runs away
15:32 < Mike1> yuk!!!
15:32 < tcr> I'm _not_ a woman!
15:32 < Lorini> lol
15:32 < Mike1> Lorini: can i go with ya?
15:32 < daja77> Lorini: no, please stay
15:32 < Lorini> Mike1: of course, i could perhaps need you
15:32 < Mike1> Lorini: define need me
15:32 < tcr> daja77: I think, I should take over the sexual part too ;)
15:32 < Lorini> hehe later :)
15:33 < daja77> tcr: interested in me, eh?
15:33 < Lorini> (what a pity, i love this conversation..)
15:33 < Mike1> OMG...kisses ..  sex .. tcr .. daja77
15:33 < fake> ciao lorini
15:33 < Mike1> what a lost world!
15:33 < tcr> No, I meant the part of your decision concerning sexuality
15:33 < Mike1> cu Lorini
15:33 < fake> man sex
15:33 < tcr> decisions
15:33 < daja77> tcr: I decided to fsck you *har*
15:34 < daja77> bye Lorini
15:34 < Mike1> mike@odin:~ > man sex
15:34 < Mike1> man: No such file or directory - You should know all about by now damn it
15:34 < tcr> Well, exactly that's why I'm gonna take that in my hand (<--- muhaha )
15:34 < daja77> *lol*
15:34 < tcr> (your sexual decisions of course)
15:34 * Mike1 better keeps quite now..
15:35 < daja77> oh come, tell the chan what you want to take into your hand...
15:35 < tcr> I really don't know what you're talking about, you and your perverted taste! Eww
15:35 < daja77> tcr: ack, I should choose a good looking boy
15:37 < tcr> Damn that I'm lacking the english word for Knabensex :P
15:37 < Mike1> tcr: where is your pic for the rock linux developers gallery?
15:37 < fake> hm, finished
15:38 < tcr> I'm gonna take it today maŭbe
15:39 < tcr> But well... you know you'll be become blind once you look at it. Due to my beautifulness or due to my uglyness -- won't answer that :P
15:44 < tcr> Hihi. Esden's english is bestest ;) "Not avalable"
15:44 < tcr> (at that gallery)
15:45 < Mike1> tcr: as long as you are not naked it will be fine
15:46 < daja77> Mike1: full ack
15:47 < Mike1> daja77: like if _you_ didn't want to see tcr naked...
15:47 < daja77> I thought it over, don't wanna have him anymore
15:48 < Mike1> daja77: so it was all a lie? you used him for sexual pleasure and now will simply drop him?
15:48 < tcr> U_u,
15:48 < rolla> Mike1:
15:48 < rolla> I have 1.7 installed now on my laptop
15:48 < tcr> hey rolla!
15:48 < rolla> tcr
15:48 < tcr> How's business?
15:48 < daja77> yes, I know it is bad, but look, I just don't love him anymore
15:49 < rolla> crappy but thanks for asking :)
15:49 < Mike1> rolla: nice, working nice?
15:50 < rolla> soso
15:50 < rolla> no time to set it up right
15:50 < rolla> need to recompile kernel
15:50 < tcr> rolla: Well, as long as you have your daily going to closet, maybe from time to time something to eat it's not /that/ crappy ;)
15:50 < rolla> :)
15:50 * fake is a bit angry
15:51 < rolla> warum fake?
15:51 < fake> nah, childish behaviour of some people i considered friends
15:51 < fake> nevermind
15:51 < fake> nothing world-shainkg ;)
15:51 < daja77> *hmpf* know this
15:52 < rolla> fake: I understand
15:53 * daja77 is pissed for nearly the same reason
15:54 < daja77> WEEEEE my car got finished
15:54 < tcr> ?)
15:54 < _NULL_> maybe the "childish behaviour" is something what is not childish but caused by some of thing which were done...
15:54 < Mike1> daja77: :)
15:55 < Mike1> ping huebi_
15:55 * daja77 looking at the clouds feeling quite unsure, having to drive more than 30min through this towm
15:56 < _NULL_> you're not made of sugar are you, daja77 ?
15:56 < daja77> btw childish behaviour is caused by someone who behaves chlidish, every time
15:57 < daja77> but never mind, I don't wann get further
15:57 < daja77> wanna
15:57 < _NULL_> daja77: NACK.
15:58 < Mike1> now you are both behaving like little 5 year old childs..
15:58 < Mike1> grow up.
15:58 * Mike1 coding
15:58 < daja77> that's why I am eaving nnow, got more improtant stuff to do
15:58 < _NULL_> the "childish behaviour" is just interpreted as childish behaviour by someone who doesn't like to see the truth!
15:59 * Mike1 waiting to see punches in bunches
16:00 * tcr recommends to read some books of Sigmund Freud.
16:00 < daja77> nah, I'm not gonna fight, someone is just loosing my respect with every line
16:00 < _NULL_> bad luck for you, not for me. i didn't say that i need you, did i?
16:01 < daja77> do me a favour and stop discussion private matters here
16:02 < _NULL_> daja77: i didn't speak at you at first, but you interpreted it like this. so - it's not my fault
16:02 < ringo78> tcr freud ? "Men are from Mars woman from Venus" is a vy good book 2.
16:02 < daja77> to whom the you was directed?
16:03 < _NULL_> daja77: scrollback, then you will understand
16:03 < _NULL_> (or not...)
16:04 * Mike1 reminds everyone in the chan that is the _ROCK_LINUX_ discussion channel, not the peoples flame wars channel
16:04 < _NULL_> Mike1: hm. an empty chan is a better chan. ah. got it.
16:05 < Lorini> very interesting..
16:05 < Mike1> _NULL_: no
16:05 < daja77> Lorini: huh?
16:05 < Mike1> _NULL_: but why senceless fights?
16:05 < Lorini> nothing, im not gonna join the war
16:05 < _NULL_> Mike1: so - do you see much discussions ?
16:05 < daja77> Lorini: have fun, I don't
16:06 < Lorini> daja77: i do
16:06 < tcr> ringo78: He also said "America is a mistake, a giant mistake." ;)
16:06 < daja77> ok
16:06 < _NULL_> Mike1: senceless fights are fun
16:06 < Mike1> _NULL_: when i first came here it was 5 people on the chan, sometimes less, we even ramined quite for days or weeks, but when there were discussions they were usefull, quality talks
16:06 < daja77> not if they are personal attacks
16:07 < Mike1> _NULL_: not fun if those fights don't take you anywhere and you ofend one of your friends... the kind of friends that worry and care about you
16:07 < _NULL_> Mike1: great. now you're disagreeing yourselv
16:07 < Mike1> _NULL_: no
16:08 < _NULL_> dict friends
16:08 < _NULL_> No definitions found for "friends"
16:08 < Mike1> _NULL_: what i mean is, why would you wanna fight for "fun"  as you say when you get hurt, and hurt the very few people that is worth to have around
16:09 < tcr> Is it time now where scarying null away is a legimate doing? ;))))
16:09 < Mike1> _NULL_: the "antisocial" dict won't help you
16:09 < tcr> legitimate
16:09 < _NULL_> Mike1: if someone offended me, then i like to battle.
16:09 < _NULL_> antisocial dict - there is a social dict also out there? cool. might too many people have installed it
16:10 < Mike1> _NULL_: making suggestions to you are not offenses my dear
16:10 < Mike1> _NULL_: you should learn to listen and read carefully before over reacting
16:10 < _NULL_> Mike1: suggesstions != just complaining about ever suggestetion i'm doing
16:10 < _NULL_> Mike1: NACK.
16:10 < Mike1> _NULL_: suggestions are oftenly intended for people to do things better not to offend
16:10 < Mike1> daja77: is this true?
16:11 < daja77> _NULL_: why didn't you say that you don't like it before getting mad
16:11 < _NULL_> Mike1: great. and "nah. this is crap, and this is even more crap. and this is eve more crap than the crap befor"
16:11 < _NULL_> this isn't offending- aha.
16:12 < Mike1> _NULL_: so don't get mad, discuss it, ask why is it actually crap
16:12 < _NULL_> nope.
16:13 < Mike1> _NULL_: its a great feeling to prove your self right on discussions you know
16:13 < _NULL_> a great feeling. nope.
16:14 < Mike1> _NULL_: anyways there are always good ways to express someone that you don't like what he/she is saying
16:14 < _NULL_> not, if it's senceless
16:14 < Mike1> _NULL_: i tend to over react on things too, so i do know how it is
16:15 < Mike1> _NULL_: in the open source world you will have to deal to deal with several difficult peopl
16:15 < Mike1> +e
16:15 < Mike1> and for sure many people will disagree with you on things
16:15 < tcr> Either you're with me, or you're potentially against me, so I must destroy you!
16:15 < Mike1> so then is when discussions in _good_ terms must come up
16:15 < tcr> Oups
16:15 < Mike1> tcr: thanks for helping!
16:15 < _NULL_> great. then those people should give me money that i can get a server.
16:16 < _NULL_> Mike1: i don#t see tcr's comments
16:16 < Mike1> _NULL_: maybe those people have a server and can sponsor your project...
16:16 < _NULL_> maybe the world is flat
16:16 < Mike1> _NULL_: belive you are not loosing anything by not reading them
16:16 < Mike1> _NULL_: no, the world is binary
16:17 < _NULL_> is it? maybe in *BSD
16:17 < Mike1> _NULL_, daja77 why don't guys give it another try and discuss things in _GOOD_ terms?
16:18 < _NULL_> _NULL_: i don't give it a try anymore
16:18 < Mike1> _NULL_: come on, don't be so hard
16:18 < daja77> gonna fetch my car, have fun or whatever else
16:19 < _NULL_> Mike1: i will.
16:19 < Mike1> ok as you 2 wish
16:19 * Mike1 getting breakfast
16:21 < daja77> _NULL_: have fun with your distro, will not disturb you anymore
16:21 < _NULL_> daja77: i will have it. _without_ a complaining-about-everything-daja77!
16:22 < daja77> fine, btw I was mor asking than complaining but who gives it a damn
16:23 < daja77> _NULL_: on the way you can piss some more people so you'll very successful
16:23 * daja77 off
16:23 < _NULL_> asking? if this was asking, then you can call me god
16:23 < _NULL_> and: who cares about lusers?
16:24 < tcr> Good question, ask that Mike1 why he's arguing with you! ;)))
16:26 * tcr away: to closet && to dispensary
16:37 * blindcoder back
16:38 < Mike1> wb blindy
16:38 < _NULL_> wb blindcoder
16:39 < blindcoder> hi Mike1 !
16:39 < blindcoder> re _NULL_
16:40 < Mike1> blindcoder: how is sk8ing doing?
16:40 < blindcoder> hehe, keepnick finally seems to work with  NickServ :D
16:40 < blindcoder> Mike1: good. have been able to go the track twice yesterday again
16:40 < blindcoder> Mike1: and average heartbeat went down 25 beats per minute since I started 3 weeks ago
16:41 < blindcoder> Mike1: unfortunately the weather is too bad today for skating
16:41 < Mike1> blindcoder: good, i am look forward to see you doing the teack 3 times next week
16:41 < blindcoder> Mike1: so I'll do some other excercise today :)
16:41 < _NULL_> blindcoder: bad weather?
16:41 < Mike1> blindcoder: good.
16:41 < blindcoder> yeah, it's raining :(
16:41 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *aaaaaaaaaaaaargh* why can't it be raining in munich, too?
16:41 < blindcoder> _NULL_: or at least, starting to do so.
16:42 < _NULL_> blindcoder:hmm... here the sun is shining *sigh*
16:42 < blindcoder> Mike1: yeah. I'm currently looking into sobme fitness centers for doing fat burningc excercises and I think I'll give it a try there
16:42 < _NULL_> *cough* *cough*
16:42 < _NULL_> blindcoder will become "muscle man" *puke*
16:43 < blindcoder> _NULL_: *MUAHAHAHA*
16:43 < _NULL_> blindcoder: :ppp
16:43 < blindcoder> _NULL_: no. I'm just trying to also become "optical" attractive. Not just intellectual :D
16:44 < blindcoder> boy... my ego has grown...
16:44 < _NULL_> *lol* yes. it really has grown
16:44 < blindcoder> heehe. If there's anything here that is greater than my ego I want it to be caught and shot.
16:45 < _NULL_> caught and shot... hrm. sounds nice
16:46 * _NULL_ 's ego is larger than blindcoder 's *vbeg*
16:46 < tcr> My Penis, I guess :P
16:46 * blindcoder castrates tcr
16:48 < tcr> Oh shit, man!
16:48 < tcr> brb
16:50 < Mike1> blindcoder: you acrtually touched _it_ ?
16:51 < blindcoder> no. just hit it with a big axe
16:52 < Mike1> ah good.
16:52 < _NULL_> and hopefully tcr is now dying. *hrhr*
16:52 < blindcoder> muahaha
16:53 < _NULL_> blindcoder: ?
16:56 < tcr> Well, mathilda blessed with a new and even longer one :P
16:56 < tcr> +me
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17:37 < fake> re.
17:39 < fake> oh, cool, i started a war ;)
17:39 < fake> always wanted to do that.
17:39 * fake strikes it off his todo list
17:45 < Mike1> :P
17:49 < fake> nice tounge you have there, miguel
17:49 < Mike1> fake: thanks :)
17:49 < Mike1> Wie gehts fake?
17:50 < fake> Gut, in anbetracht der Tatsache, dass Morgen ein Feiertag ist, und ich heute Abend richtig "Spass" haben werde
17:50 < fake> hehe.
17:51 < Mike1> :)
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17:52 < jhidalgo> hi rockers!, I'll like to give you one idea!
17:52 < Mike1> shoot.
17:55 < jhidalgo> it should be great to do this to install rock: lynx -source http://somerocksite.net | sh   (the way nessus work), what do you think! ?
17:58 < fake> hm...
17:59 < fake> what would be the advantages? i mean - installing an operating system that way is a tuff jiob
17:59 < fake> s,jiob,job,
17:59 < fake> just poppin' in the CD is almost easier, and doesn't require lynx ;))
18:00 < Mike1> fake: we will have net install soon.
18:00 < Mike1> fake: as Cliff stated.
18:00 < fake> yeah, of course, getting packages from a server, AFTER the install system is booted
18:00 < fake> but the idea above would mean "install completely from the web"
18:01 < fake> of course you could write some cdrecord calls and an ncftpget for an iso into that sh file .... ;))
18:03 < jhidalgo> make xconfig with qt!, ...., kde taking control ?
18:03 < fake> huh?
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18:16 < mauricio> jhidalgo, kintelecto!
18:16 < Mike1> lol
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18:30 < wartix> hi all
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18:46 < Mike1> blindcoder: wh47 4r3 y0u d0|ng?
19:07 < Lorini> re
19:11 < Lorini> ok, i am back and everybody's gone
19:11 < Lorini> great, really great
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19:16 < holyolli> moin
19:17 < Mike1> cpt holyolli!
19:17 < holyolli> dr.mike1!
19:17 < Mike1> :P
19:17 < holyolli> *g*
19:17 < holyolli> como estas?
19:18 < Mike1> holyolli: quite good and you ?
19:19 < holyolli> mike: also nice. a lot to do, but havin' fun ;-)
19:19 < Mike1> holyolli: fligh hours amount?
19:19 < Mike1> flight*
19:19 < holyolli> mike: overall or daily?
19:20 < Mike1> both
19:20 < holyolli> mike: overall 90h - 2h per day
19:20 < Mike1> :)
19:20 < Mike1> NICE.
19:20 < Mike1> you still have a long way to beat me :)
19:20 * Mike1 is flying again :)
19:20 < holyolli> mike: tomorrow i have a check flight. after (hopefully) passing, I'll enter the ifr phase...
19:20 < holyolli> mike: how many do you have?
19:21 * m4ur1c10 asks mike: flying like a butterfly?
19:21 < Mike1> holyolli: 727
19:21 < Mike1> m4ur1c10: no, as a pilot.
19:21 < holyolli> mike: wow..
19:21 < Mike1> holyolli: :)
19:22 < holyolli> .oO(I have also 200h from gliders..but they don't count for this... ;-)
19:22 < Mike1> hehe
19:23 * holyolli just watching a learjet landing in front of his window... =)
19:23 < Mike1> damn holyolli!
19:23 < holyolli> *g*
19:24 < blindcoder> Mike1: just had dinner
19:24 < holyolli> mike: do you have ppl or cpl?
19:24 < Mike1> blindcoder: hope it was good
19:24 < Mike1> holyolli: both.
19:25 < blindcoder> yeah :) some good salami from hungary :)
19:25 < holyolli> .oO(that's 3 months ago that I got _good_ food...)
19:25 < holyolli> <-- begins to hate fastfood...
19:26 < holyolli> pelma: kenn' ich dich eigentlich?
19:26 < holyolli> ww
19:27 < blindcoder> holyolli: flirting again? :D
19:27 < holyolli> blah! ;-)
19:27 < Mike1> blindcoder: have you been teaching him?
19:27 < blindcoder> Mike1: no. he seems to be successful, so it can't have been me :P
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19:32 < daja77> re
19:32 < tcr> re
19:32 < tcr> Does anyone know a png2pnm converter?
19:32 < Mike1> blindcoder: so ask him for lessons :)
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19:33 < tcr> Oh, djpeg is able to produce pnm, even better.
19:35 < jhidalgo> tcr: gimp!?
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19:54 < holyolli> cu!
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19:56 * Mike1 is away: having lunch.. jap food :)
19:57 < blindcoder> Mike1: wouldn't help either.
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20:15 < kasc> re
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21:07 < martin_> Hello all ...
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21:17 < kasc> hi martin_
21:22 < martin_> hi kasc
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21:27 < _NULL_> re
21:28 * blindcoder going to bed, now that he's depressed enough
21:28 < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai
21:29 < _NULL_> gn8 blindcoder
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21:34 * Mike1 is back (gone 01:38:09)
21:35 < _NULL_> wb mauricio
21:35 < _NULL_> Mike1
21:35 < Mike1> danke.
21:35 < mauricio> _NULL_, what's up?
21:35 < mauricio> _NULL_, how you doin'?
21:35 < Mike1> lunch was grea :)
21:35 < _NULL_> mauricio: nothing. sorry... irssi's nickname completion.. *lalala*
21:35 < Mike1> great*
21:36 < Mike1> _NULL_: no excuses.
21:36 < Mike1> :P
21:36 < _NULL_> Mike1: blll :p
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21:44 < _NULL_> ???
21:44 < _NULL_> wtf is he doing?
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21:48 < Mike1> mauricio: necesitas curitas?
21:48 < mauricio> Mike1, pq la pregunta?
21:49 < Mike1> mauricio: porque te has caido ya 3 veces seguidas :)
21:49 < mauricio> Mike1, nope lo que necesito es otro cliente de irc
21:50 < Mike1> mauricio: irssi?
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22:04 < _NULL_> urgs
22:04 < _NULL_> Mike1: what's wrong with your connection?
22:04 < _NULL_> m4ur1c10: i meant
22:05 < m4ur1c10> _NULL_, nothing, i am just switching between irc clients!
22:05 < _NULL_> urgs
22:05 < m4ur1c10> _NULL_, i'll take irssi, thanks Mike
22:16 < Mike1> m4ur1c10: no problem
22:16 < Mike1> _NULL_: i have no problem at all with my connection!
22:16 < _NULL_> Mike1: :p
22:17 * _NULL_ wegetting .ARG compiler *sigh*
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22:56 < wartix> re hi all
22:59 < wartix> afk
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23:40 < ringo78> moin
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23:48 < annetta> buonasera
23:48 < annetta> prima volta qui
23:48 * annetta si sente un po' spaesata
23:49 < annetta> ok
23:49 < annetta> ciao
23:49 < annetta> adio
23:49 < annetta> addio per sempre
23:49 < annetta> sigh
23:49 * annetta si guarda intorno
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