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00:03 < ringo78> Anybody know why i get RNETLINK answers network is unreachable  ? /etc/network start
00:04 < tcr> No idea sorry
00:04 < tcr> esden: Ping
00:11 < ringo78> ping answers network unreachable. Think its something with iptables...
00:12 < ringo78> I have an annoying habbit, each time I ask it pops in my mind ... Thanks esden
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00:24 < Mike1> re.
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00:38 < ringo78> errrr re
00:39 < ringo78> me done stupid things today ;-)
00:40 < Mike1> ringo78: such as?
00:41 < ringo78> make a swap partition of my old ext2 partition ...
00:42 < ringo78> real productive ;-)
00:42 < Mike1> ouch
00:44 < ringo78> love hurts
00:45 < Mike1> ringo78: actually not, femeles are the ones that do the hurting job.
00:46 < ringo78> depends if you're gay ... ;-)
00:47 < Mike1> ringo78: i am not talking about phisical injuries
00:47 < ringo78> Ahh its good practice :-)
00:47 < Mike1> !
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01:03 < rxr> re
01:03 < george> hello
01:05 < ringo78> hello george
01:06 < Mike1> re rxr
01:07 < ringo78> Why is there no $NETMASK in /etc/conf/network ?
01:10 < george> rxr, just sent you a mail, but now that you're here,
01:10 < george> can I have a svn repo for hotplug with rw access
01:15 < rxr> 2;-) I'm just replying that this has been already fixed ;-)
01:16 < rxr> oh - no. I see what you mean. Thanks typo fixed now ;-)
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01:18 < mnemoc> hi
01:18 < Mike1> mnemoc: greetings Ale.
01:19 < mnemoc> hi mike
01:19 < ringo78> hi mnemoc
01:19 < mnemoc> (hi)... is rene around here?
01:19 < Mike1> mnemoc: you look like a whole execute on the pic of the rock devs gallery
01:19 < mnemoc> :-\
01:20 < rxr> Committed revision 75.
01:20 < rxr> hi mnemoc
01:21 < mnemoc> rxr: hi..can i add a postpkgselconfig.in? <--- what an ugly name....
01:22 < mnemoc> i need to do to populate a list depending of the installed packages to do a 'choice' after populated
01:22 < mnemoc> ideas?
01:24 < rxr> hm for what do you need this ?
01:24 < mnemoc> initstyle
01:24 < mnemoc> i want to add runit and minit...
01:25 < mnemoc> and to can enable simpleinit
01:25 < rxr> why do you need a postpkgselconfig.in for this ?
01:26 < mnemoc> if .. minit is enabled in pkgsel.. it should add it's styles to a list
01:26 < rxr> we should introduce some init-style switch for this - like for the mail and printing system
01:26 < mnemoc> after the list if populated by all package/*/foo.in i need to 'choice'
01:26 < rxr> ah - or this ...
01:26 < rxr> I'm too sleepy for this now
01:27 < rxr> I need to meditate whether this can be cone in the normal config.in or if we need to introduce s.th. new for this ...
01:27 < mnemoc> config.in's are sorted... mixing misc, packages, ...
01:28 < rxr> but shouldn't it work to simply do a:
01:28 < mnemoc> or... initstyle's config.in could filter styles if the are X or not
01:28 < rxr> if pkgsel minit X ; then
01:28 < rxr> SOME_LIST=$SOMELIST minit-style
01:29 < rxr> fi
01:29 < mnemoc> but where? minit's preconfig?
01:29 < rxr> -- typos and wrong names (me drops from the chair in some minutes ...)
01:29 < rxr> hm - minit's config.in ?
01:30 < mnemoc> but that *can* be AFTER initstyles config.in
01:30 < mnemoc> because config.in files are sorted
01:31 < rxr> then introduce the list in some preconfig and fill the list in all the init-style normal config.in
01:31 < mnemoc> if i introduce the list on preconfig i ignore pkgsel
01:32 < mnemoc> i didn't understand the "all the init-style normal config.in"
01:32 < george> anybody reading LKML?
01:32 < Mike1> ich..
01:33 < george> du?
01:33 < Mike1> ja.
01:33 < mnemoc> lier
01:33 < Mike1> mnemoc: ?
01:33 < george> 2.4.21-rc1 scheint so einige Probleme mit sich zu bringen, oder?
01:33 < Mike1> george: english please :)
01:34 < george> sorry,
01:34 < george> 2.4.21-rc1 seems to have some problems?
01:34 < Mike1> yes some few.
01:35 < Mike1> george: /query
01:37 < mnemoc> rene? 1: ignore pkgsel, 2: show all initstyles even if pkg is disables, 3: filter initstyles lists before choice, 4: introduce another ugly hook.
01:38 < mnemoc> i see 3 as the cleaner solution... but it would slow the config.
01:48 < rxr> mnemoc: no
01:48 < rxr> do instroduce the empty list somewhere always.
01:49 < rxr> then add the package to that list in it's config.in if it is selected.
01:49 < rxr> sorry for the delay /me preparing to sleep ...
01:51 < rxr> mnemoc: does this make sense ?
01:52 * rxr 70% sleeping already ...
01:52 < mnemoc> yes...
01:52 < mnemoc> i'll bother you tomorrow :)
01:52 < mnemoc> gn8
01:53 < ringo78> n8 alle going to sleep 2. c you
01:54 < mnemoc> n8
01:54 < mnemoc> 8pm here ;)
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01:56 < ringo78> 2 oclock here ;-)
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02:12 < jose> somebody here uses lids ?
02:25 < jose> somebody here is not a bot!?
02:26 * Mike1 .
02:26 < Mike1> but i am out :P
02:26 < Mike1> n8 all.
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03:34 < esden> hi all
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03:40 < mnemoc> hi
03:45 < george> hi
03:46 < esden> hi mnemoc, george 
03:47 < esden> argh ... I have no floppy disks >_<
03:48 < george> floppies, what's that?
03:51 < esden> I do not want to burn a cd to test a boot floppy
03:51 < esden> and burning cdrw's is somehow not working here .. >_<
03:52 < mnemoc> install vmware :)
03:54 < george> floppies are cheaper - unless somebody else pays a license ;-]
03:54 < mnemoc> there is not opensource vmware-clone?
03:54 < george> plex86 etc.
03:55 < george> http://plex86.sourceforge.net/
03:56 < george> BTW, we should add that to the package tree.
03:57 < esden> mnemoc: give me vmware ...
03:57 < esden> george: so add it ;-)
03:57 < george> k.
03:57 < george> on my TODO now.
03:58 * -> esden tryed bochs but it is somehow difficult to configure it so that it boots anything besides the demo stuff that is coming with it
04:00 < esden> hmm to boot a linux kernel on plex86 you need to patch the kernel
04:01 < george> bochs is an emulator! plex86 a virtual machine.
04:02 < george> hmm, read that too, strange...
04:26 < mnemoc> esden: did you get it?
04:42 < george> gotta go. c ya.
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04:54 < esden> mnemoc: ok ... I am back here
04:54 < esden> hmm where to upload
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04:59 * -> esden installing linux on his palm
04:59 < Lorini> hey
04:59 < esden> hi Lorini 
04:59 < esden> *knuddel* ;-)
04:59 < Lorini> great, somebody to talk to :)
04:59 < esden> Lorini: are you ever sleeping?
04:59 < Lorini> ähm
04:59 < Lorini> well..
05:00 < Lorini> *g*
05:00 < Lorini> lets say no
05:01 < esden> hehe
05:01 < esden> urgh it is 5 in the morning >_<
05:01 < esden> that sux
05:01 < mnemoc_> esden: did you got it?
05:02 < esden> mnemoc_: where?
05:02 < Lorini> esden: i know.. why sleep at 5 o'clock in the morning?
05:03 < Lorini> nice time to be awake.. nobody else disturbs you
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05:04 < Lorini> hm von wem is denn das nochmal... von... schopenhauer? nietzsche? .. hmpf
05:06 < esden> Lorini: ack ... that is right ... you can concentrate much better on nice stuff then ;-)
05:06 < esden> like booting linux on a plam ;-)
05:06 < Lorini> ... or doing some maths ;)
05:08 < esden> maths? ... no ... not good idea
05:08 < esden> CPU:            MC68EZ328
05:08 < esden> MMU:            none
05:08 < esden> FPU:            none
05:08 < esden> Clocking:       10.9MHz
05:08 < esden> BogoMips:       1.36
05:08 < esden> Calibration:    683200 loops
05:08 < Lorini> *g*
05:08 < esden> weee !!! ;-)
05:08 < Lorini> oh there it is again... my little weee :)
05:09 * -> esden booted linux on a palm *jump_around*
05:10 < Lorini> congratulations :)
05:11 < mnemoc_> esden: transfer timed out
05:12 < esden> mnemoc_: please try once more ...
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05:16 < esden> urgh ... that sux ... I am too slow or something is wrong >_<
05:16 < esden> hmm dcc says that I am downloading but I get no data ...
05:17 < esden> and no ... I am not behind a firewall and I am sure that it works because tested with other people
05:18 < mnemoc_> could you connect that ftp server?
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06:11 < esden> ok ... I go to bed
06:11 < esden> good night folks
06:11 < mnemoc> gn8
06:11 < mnemoc> and luck
06:11 < esden> you too ;-)
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07:26 < rxr> re
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08:37 < rxr> hi mnemoc
08:38 < rxr> I'll just plug the CRT into a test box - cu later
08:48 < rxr> back
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10:10 < kasc> moin
11:22 < netrunner_> moin (starting new build)
11:28 < kasc> moin netrunner_
11:32 < netrunner_> well, I hope _this_ hd won't crash during the build :)
11:34 < netrunner_> there's something wrong anything. rh wouldn't install on this pc, only an olsdrock-1.6.1 would.
11:44 < daja77> re
11:53 < kasc> moin daja77
11:53 < daja77> hi kasc
12:25 < kasc> time to resume my breakfast :)
12:26 < daja77> yeah reattach to your breakfast session ;)
12:27 < kasc> still have to wait, tho
12:27 < daja77> why
12:28 < kasc> eggs are still cooking
12:28 < daja77> *g*
12:30 < kasc> i could write some .desc files in the mean time...
12:30 < daja77> have fun
12:30 < kasc> torcs, tuxcart and tux_aqfh are the next entys on my todo :)
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12:37 < daja77> ah good
12:37 < daja77> hi ringo78
12:38 < ringo78> hi daja77
12:43 < kasc> moin ringo78
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12:58 < daja77> hi senaxl
12:58 < senaxl> Hi! :)
12:58 < senaxl> Huhu capchaos :)
12:59 < capchaos> hi franky
12:59 < daja77> hi capchaos
12:59 < senaxl> na, alles ok? :)
12:59 < capchaos> senaxl, switched to ROCK? ;)
12:59 < senaxl> nö ;P
13:01 < capchaos> senaxl still needs to be converted ;)
13:01 < daja77> capchaos: cast a spell
13:01 < senaxl> vielleicht könntest du mir mal deine "packages" geben ;)
13:04 < senaxl> als damit habe ich noch probleme :)
13:04 < capchaos> why?
13:04 < senaxl> ich brauche kein gnome 1.4 und 2 und auch kein kde, gcc 2.95.3 brauche ich auch nicht. etc. :)
13:05 < capchaos> senaxl, switch it off in ./scripts/Config
13:05 < senaxl> *g*
13:07 < daja77> capchaos: nope not in Config but packages.txt afaik
13:07 < senaxl> ah :)
13:09 < capchaos> daja77:
13:09 < capchaos> [*]    Show expert-only and experimental options
13:09 < capchaos> - Additional Package Selection
13:09 < capchaos> [*]    Custom package selection
13:09 < capchaos> ----    Use "X <pattern>" to enable  packages
13:09 < capchaos> ----    Use "O <pattern>" to disable packages
13:09 < capchaos> ----    Use "- <pattern>" to remove  packages
13:09 < daja77> ah yes have it worked for you?
13:10 < capchaos> i haven't tried that yet myself, i wanted a full build ;)
13:11 < senaxl> ;P
13:11 < senaxl> "Everything you need and more" ;P
13:13 < daja77> capchaos: me too, think I tried it once and it didn't work, can't not remember exactly
13:14 < capchaos> hm that's bad
13:14 < daja77> .oO time for a new cvs checkout
13:43 < _NULL_> morning
13:43 < capchaos> good morning, _NULL_
13:45 < daja77> hi _NULL_
13:59 < Lorini> good morning
13:59 < senaxl> Huhu Lorini :)
13:59 < daja77> hey Lorini
13:59 < Lorini> :)
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14:25 < senaxl> Huhu :)
14:26 < tcr> moin all
14:28 < kasc> moin Lorini
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14:46 < capchaos> welcome back Lorbeere
14:47 < Lorini> re
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15:06 < _NULL_> re
15:11 < daja77> re _NULL_
15:15 < daja77> O_o why I am having all new mails already read >_<
15:16 < senaxl> "I read you eMail." :)
15:16 < daja77> huh?
15:16 < senaxl> quatsch :)
15:16 < senaxl> wait :)
15:17 * daja77 waits
15:18 < senaxl> <URL:http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/31fb/>
15:18 < senaxl> :)
15:18 < senaxl> btw, your *g*
15:23 < daja77> hehe
15:24 < senaxl> :)
15:29 < daja77> senaxl: http://www.tetrinet.org/winxp/winxp_penguin.jpg
15:29 < senaxl> yeah *g*
15:29 < senaxl> a ct cover :)
15:30 < daja77> really?
15:30 < senaxl> wait *g*
15:32 < senaxl> <URL:http://www.heise.de/ct/motive/00/19/> i mean it, but i only can find that...
15:33 < daja77> hmm so it is not from heise
15:35 < daja77> *argh* these borland suckers
15:35 < senaxl> why? :)
15:36 < daja77> the sended me spam yesterday which read: your visit at cebit2003
15:36 < daja77> I never was at cebit in 2003
15:36 < senaxl> *g*
15:36 < daja77> now they got their error, that they used the wrong subject
15:37 < senaxl> *lol*
15:37 < daja77> they *resended* the whole mail with the new subject
15:38 < senaxl> *rofl*
15:38 < tcr> what subject?
15:38 < daja77> good that I quit using borland stuff for years
15:38 < daja77> J A X 2 0 0 3 : NUR NOCH WENIGE PLÄTZE VERFÜGBAR!
15:38 < tcr> Hihi
15:39 < daja77> btw, X-Mailer: Mail2000 1.10 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tmail2000
15:39 < daja77> *lol*
15:40 < tcr> esthio, edomai, ephagon, kata-bebroka, kata-bebromay, kat-ebrothen, kata-brothesomai
15:40 < tcr> Griechisch Stammformen rulen ;)
15:57 < rolla> re
15:57 < daja77> hi rolla
15:57 < _NULL_> hi rolla
15:58 < senaxl> hi di ho :)
16:01 < rolla> daja77: where is the package for perl on 1.7 cd ?
16:02 < daja77> rolla: dunno
16:02 < daja77> maybe build broke
16:05 < rolla> hmm
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17:27 < kasc> any regex guru awake?
17:30 < rolla> nein
17:40 < esden> hi all
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17:48 < zer0_o> hi all
17:48 < senaxl> Huhu..
17:49 < esden> hi zer0_o, senaxl 
17:53 < Lorini> hey esden
17:54 < esden> hi Lorini 
17:55 < _NULL_> hi esden
17:57 < esden> hi netrunner_ 
17:57 < esden> erm
17:57 < esden> _NULL_: 
17:57 < esden> -:
17:57 < _NULL_> esden: ?
18:02 < daja77> hi esden
18:02 < esden> hi daja77 
18:11 < daja77> esden: remembering fefe's docbook flamebait?
18:12 < esden> yes
18:13 < daja77> it seems that rtai developers having experienced the same trouble with it, and will continue using latex
18:14 < daja77> I had trouble with it, A-tui as well
18:15 < daja77> I have to admit that sometimes fefe (in spite of his rude language) is finally right with some things he says
18:16 < esden> yes that is right
18:16 < esden> he uses very easyly flamable language ;-)
18:16 < daja77> yeah, I call it fun ;)
18:17 < esden> yes that is right ... I like what fefe produces ;-)
18:18 < esden> daja77: dou you have got fvl fortune db?
18:19 < daja77> nope I just randomly put some of his quotes in a txt file
18:19 < daja77> esden: do you have?
18:20 < esden> mom
18:20 < esden> http://sourceforge.net/projects/fortune-mod-fvl/
18:20 < daja77> a sf project *lol*
18:21 < daja77> thx esden
18:21 < daja77> quote: Fortunes extracted from Felix von Leitners usenet postings. German language. Hackerish. Offensive.
18:21 < daja77> hehe
18:23 < daja77> fortune-mod-at.linux home of the debianist *nope*
18:23 * rolla needs mike to show up
18:23 < daja77> rolla: ack
18:24 < esden> everyone wants mike ;-)
18:25 < rolla> well I have a iso from him but it does not have perl on it so I cannot recompile the kernel :(
18:25 < rolla> and the damn network card does not want to work :(
18:27 * daja77 reading...
18:28 < rolla> I wish I could read
18:28 * rolla is not impressed with 1.7 at all
18:29 * daja77 laughs
18:29 < rolla> why are you laughing?
18:32 < daja77> I'm reading the fortune db esden gave me
18:33 < esden> "geh sterben. Woanders." -- fefe
18:33 < senaxl> tze..
18:33 < senaxl> er hat auch gesagt, dass ms gar nicht so schlecht ist, sondern nur die programme :)
18:34 < daja77> Es wird spontan zu "funktionieren" beginnen, wenn du das Handbuch liest.
18:34 < senaxl> eigentlich ist ms gar nicht scheisse, es sind nur die programme *g*
18:34 < esden> senaxl: the concepts of windows NT and higer are very nice ... I really have to admit that
18:35 < senaxl> esden: which concepts? *g*
18:35 < senaxl> domain blah, finde ich mal total blöd!
18:35 < daja77> senaxl: nope system architecture
18:35 < senaxl> hm?
18:35 < senaxl> the system architecture? *g*
18:35 < senaxl> explain that :)
18:37 < esden> "Nicht scha"tzen.  Standard lesen." lol
18:37 < daja77> microkernel + hardware abstraction layers, the process and threads concept and so
18:37 < daja77> on
18:37 < esden> daja77: ack
18:38 < senaxl> *g*
18:38 < esden> also Direct x is a very nice idea ... but the implementation is sucking badly
18:38 < daja77> Ein Stück Scheiße mit Kryptographie ist immer noch ein Stück Scheiße.
18:40 < daja77> hehe, Please solve your trivial homework assignments yourself.  At home.
18:40 * daja77 gonna stop now
18:40 * Lorini will das auch lesen
18:41 < esden> Lorini: http://fortune-mod-fvl.sourceforge.net/fvl.html
18:41 < daja77> Lorini: scroll back for esden's link
18:41 < Lorini> oh, thx.. sorry
18:41 < esden> the second one is better ;-)
18:41 < daja77> ;)
18:46 < daja77> I fear I must stop reading it for my own health ;)
18:46 < esden> daja77: LOL
18:47 < daja77> ack
19:41 < mnemoc> hi
19:41 < mnemoc> is rene around?
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20:11 < blindcoder> beer and an empty stomach don't mix >_<
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21:06 < tcr> re all
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21:10 < daja77> hi tcr
21:12 < tcr> hi daja77. Sent a pic yesterday to esden; he hasn't yet incorporate that into the galery though
21:13 * daja77 frightened
21:15 < tcr> Well ;)
21:15 < tcr> Also watching star wars?
21:18 < daja77> no I've seen them already
21:19 < tcr> Who cares!
21:19 < daja77> which one is today?
21:20 < tcr> Krieg der Sterne
21:21 < daja77> episode IV ;)
21:21 < tcr> Yop
21:28 < n00kie> Heya daja77 :)
21:30 < daja77> hi n00kie
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22:09 < rolla> grrr
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22:16 < tcr> rolla: wazzup?
22:17 < rolla> crappy iso I am dealing with
22:17 < rolla> I have a useless laptop now
22:17 < tcr> Give it me! ;)
22:30 < rolla> no I can reinstall 1.5.7 on it
22:30 < rolla> but I wanted rock 1.7
22:31 < tcr> Did you talk to rxr about that?
22:32 < rolla> nope
22:32 < rolla> it is a iso from mike
22:32 < rolla> perl is not there
22:32 < rolla> and there is no support for my network card even thou it was there in 1.5.17
22:34 < tcr> rolla: Hmm, well 1.7 has an easier possibility to use your own .config for the kernel, but an ISO should actually have a as much featured version as possible, that's right
22:35 < mnemoc> ALL the kernel drivers are built on 1.7... as modules
22:36 < rolla> yeah well the one I need is gone
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22:38 < tcr> rolla: Was a 2.5 on the iso whereas you had had a 2.4 kernel before?
22:39 < rolla> nope
22:39 < rolla> it is a 2.4
22:39 < netrunner_> ./msg  how does glibc check for kernel headers? I am trying to build on a fresh installed drock-1.6.1, and glibc fails complaining about missing kernel headers ... I put a vanilla kernel to /usr/src/linux and symlinked to /usr/include ... still fails
22:40 < netrunner_> s/.\///
22:40 < netrunner_> (i mean, ignore the ./msg ;)
22:42 < tcr> well, as kernel headers are included by <linux/header.h>, the compiler searchs in the common include dirs + those passed with -I
22:42 < tcr> So there should be a link from /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/linux
22:44 < netrunner_> tcr: in stage 0 this should be in the fs of the host system, right?
22:45 < tcr> I think so
22:46 < netrunner_> hm ... there is no header.h ... nowhere on this system.
22:47 < tcr> s,header,foobar, ;)
22:47 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/*
22:48 < tcr> header was just a name that should represent all possible filenames ;)
22:49 < netrunner_> ah, ok. but I have those, this is what I am wondering about. glibc does not recognize them.
22:52 < tcr> That's strange
22:53 < netrunner_> ok - thx so far, I'll dig deeper into that tomorrow. (already digged through half my garden, that's enough for today ;)
22:54 < tcr> I'd take a look into the configure.ac and the resulting configure script how it looks for the files. And would try to find the place where it fails
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22:54 < tcr> btw. drock 1.6 is quite old
22:55 < rxr> but it is up to now the most stale ROCK release ;-)
22:55 < mnemoc> rxr: hi!!... can you sync with cliff? please...
22:56 < netrunner_> yes i know. but none of my redhats wanted to install on this system, so I was happy when drock istalled without problems :)
22:56 < rxr> netrunner_: nice to hear!
22:56 < wdslbr> hi, i have a question on avison - sane driver. is this the right place for asking?
22:57 < netrunner_> rxr: I won't mentioning things like lo not having an ip adress etc :)
22:57 < daja77> wdslbr: I don't think so
22:57 < rxr> wdslbr: I'm suprised ;-) I'm the author of that backend ;-)
22:57 < daja77> uh really what a coincidence
22:58 < wdslbr> i found the channel on your homepage
22:58 < rxr> (maybe on the ROCK site which is linked from the avision site ...
22:58 < rxr> wdslbr: what is your question?
22:59 < wdslbr> the scanner is working fine so far. but adf don't work. is there a newer developer version available ?
23:00 < wdslbr> sorry hp 7450
23:00 < rxr> ah - yes this is a known problem :-(
23:01 < rxr> the 74xx do not act like most other Avision based scanners - but since I'm busy preparing ROCK Linux 2.0 I have not spent time on the backend the last months ...
23:01 < rxr> but I will do continue work on it when I have ROCK 2.0 where we need it to have ...
23:02 < rxr> the latest developer version is the one on the gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/avision homepage - but I only did general work, and improvements for the 53xx series nothign 74xx special ...
23:03 < netrunner_> ah - needed to 'make dep' in the kerneldir :) n8 *
23:03 < wdslbr> do you have any documentation on 74xx ?
23:03 < rxr> I have some documentation - but nothing special for the 74xxx
23:03 < rxr> -x
23:03 < rxr> some of this documentation is classified ... :-(
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23:04 < rxr> My guess is that the backend sends some unexpected bytes which confues the scanner - this is based due to the random behaviour of the scanner ...
23:05 < rxr> do you have some Mircosoft Not Operating System running where you could log the USB traffic?
23:05 < rxr> this would help for an analysis which commands bytes differ ;-)
23:06 < esden> hi all
23:06 < rxr> hi esden
23:06 * daja77 salutes all people who are taking the pain wrinting scanner backends for linux
23:06 < wdslbr> i use linux.
23:07 < daja77> re esden
23:07 * -> esden thinks that he is drunk to often ... ... :-(
23:07 < rxr> wdslbr: you mean linux only ;-) No dual-boot windows?
23:07 < daja77> esden: too much free beer
23:07 < wdslbr> linux only
23:08 < esden> daja77: two free beer ... one non free beer and a cuba libre long drink
23:08 < esden> and the long drinks are hard ... really hard
23:08 * daja77 was drunk this morning
23:09 < esden> in the morning ? o_O
23:09 < esden> daja77: you are hard ;-)
23:09 < daja77> I had party until 5.30 today
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23:09 < tcr> heh, I guess daja77 talked the whole night with NULL -- after that he required some very hard drinks ;))
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm just commiting the merge with cliff - enjoy ;-)
23:10 < esden> tcr: tztztz ... you are too hard to her ...
23:10 < daja77> tcr: you know I was in that thing which some people are referring as irl
23:10 < daja77> I met real girls out there
23:10 < esden> ok ... I am away meeting real people ;-)
23:11 < daja77> again?
23:11 < wdslbr> rxr: so i will try to log the traffic on usb to figure out the bytes ...
23:11 < mnemoc> real people is bat for wealth
23:12 < tcr> daja77: Bah, I lost my trust in reallife after having watched Matrix ;))
23:12 < daja77> tcr: say you would eat the red pill
23:13 < rxr> wdslbr: where do you want to log some bytes? windows or linux ?
23:13 < tcr> Why not.. it'd be the door out of my solipsism ;)
23:14 < wdslbr> rxr: at the moment my scanner is only accesed over scsi emulation. you wrote something about using the usblib direct. but i could not get it running.
23:14 < rxr> Committed revision 79.
23:15 < wdslbr> rxr: windows site...  ( i do have to install it ;( )
23:16 < rxr> ah that would be great
23:16 < rxr> use the usbsnoop too you find e.h. on sourceforge.net (IIRC)
23:16 < rxr> for the new libusb access method search the SANE mailing list - there was an email from me ...
23:17 < rxr> but I also added "write an how-to for the new libusb access method" for the SANE/Avision homepage
23:17 < rxr> expect it to be added within the next two days ;-)
23:18 < wdslbr> should i send you my usb-log?
23:19 < rxr> jups - only sent it to me in private, you have the mail address?
23:19 < wdslbr> i 'll have a look at the howto next days
23:19 < wdslbr> no
23:20 < rxr> btw the last time there where two version of usbsnoop on the net - the normal and an extended.
23:20 < tcr> Ok, I finally finished the small introduction into aegis. Sent a mail to list
23:20 < rxr> please use the extended version if there are still two
23:20 < rxr> wdslbr: rene.rebe@gmx.net
23:20 < rxr> ok /me off to bed now - cu tomorrow
23:21 < wdslbr> thanks cu
23:21 < tcr> rxr: gn8
23:21 < rxr> n8 all
23:21 < daja77> gn8 rxr
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23:27 < tcr> Uh that mail has got quite long ;)
23:31 < daja77> tcr: which?
23:31 < tcr> The one I sent some minutes ago??
23:32 < daja77> ok
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