--- Log opened Sun May 04 00:00:26 2003
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00:05 < daja77> re
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00:25 < rxr> re
00:25 < rxr> Linux version 2.5.68 (root@jackson) (gcc version 3.2.2) #2 Sun May 4 00:20:13 CEST 2003
00:25 < daja77> hehe cool
00:26 < rxr> hopefully it scales better than 2.4.21-rc1
00:27 < rxr> this -rc1 sucks so much I even mailed linux-kernel ...
00:27 < daja77> I'll need 2.4.20 for rtai anyway
00:29 < rxr> oops - the screen on your box was not responding correctly - and now a misplaced keystroke killed it :-(
00:30 < rxr> your box is now at "== 00:30:48 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 1.7-snapshot]."
00:30 < daja77> damn how can we reach it
00:31 < rxr> what? acl attr ?
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00:32 < daja77> the build
00:33 < daja77> oh you restarted it?
00:33 < rxr> I continued it ... - the screen did :-(
00:34 * rxr mustn't hit C-C too oft when a prog is not responding ...
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00:34 < daja77> *ggg*
00:34 < rxr> currently the 2.5.68 feels much better than the 2.4.21-rc1 ...
00:35 < daja77> how far until 2.6.0 ?
00:35 < rxr> and no spaw is used - the problem with 2.4.21-rc1 was that it constantly was swapping 100MB arround although 300MB where used as disk cache and 60MB where free ...
00:36 < daja77> urgs, so why are we using it
00:36 < rxr> daja77: this summer is the release date - but I do not know if they will meet it
00:36 < daja77> ah ;)
00:36 < rxr> the 2.4.20 wasn't that bad - I only start to test 2.4.21 in the last weeks and came to this swap issue during my continues ROCK builds ...
00:37 < rxr> it really sucks when the xemacs has to be pulled out of the swap only to type  a mail - and after that mail konqueror needs to be find in the swap ... and so on.
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00:37 < rxr> feels like windows
00:38 < rxr> hm - I should have send the two defect IBM disk to IBM earlier - I'm running out of disk space at gmsp.tfh-berlin.de ...
00:38 < rxr> s/gmsp/gsmp/
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00:42 < daja77> re
00:42 < daja77> damn screen
00:45 < daja77> rxr: still here?
00:46 < rxr> jups
00:46 < daja77> lost my screen session at university d'oh
00:47 < rxr> hm - the ssh session do your box is again not responding ...
00:47 < rxr> s/do/to/
00:47 < daja77> hmm maybe ip has changed
00:48 < rxr> wow all the VM and the scheduler in 2.6 seems to pay off - the most responsive kernel I ever had ;-)
00:48 < daja77> O(1) scheduler right?
00:49 < rxr> jups + other tuning after the merge
00:51 < daja77> rxr: to which address are you trying to connect?
00:52 < rxr> 145.254.78.219
01:11 < rxr> Committed revision 103.
01:12 < daja77> *hmpf*
01:13 * daja77 waiting for stage 2
01:15 < daja77> this is so fast
01:17 < daja77> build base/bash
01:19 < rxr> daja77: which stage ?
01:19 < daja77> 1
01:19 < daja77> coreutils failed
01:25 < mnemoc> i built it fine after updating local autoconf, automake and texinfo
01:35 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - but this "bug" should be fixed - such dependencies are _bad_ ...
01:35 < rxr> cu tomorrow - errr today morning ;-)
01:35 < rxr> n8
01:36 < mnemoc> n8 :)
01:36 < mnemoc> i know it's a bug... i'm just bothering
01:37 < rxr> or better - cliff said this bug is fixed ...
01:38 < mnemoc> daja77 has an non-updated-local-box to test it?
01:38 < rxr> jups
01:38 < mnemoc> i should have waited :(
01:39 < rxr> so this look much better:
01:39 < rxr> jackson:~$ free
01:39 < rxr>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
01:39 < rxr> Mem:        515848     492800      23048          0      71200     269476
01:39 < rxr> -/+ buffers/cache:     152124     363724
01:39 < rxr> Swap:       524624        128     524496
01:39 < rxr> not all editors are in swap space :-)
01:39 < mnemoc> 2.5?
01:39 < rxr> jups
01:39 < rxr> Linux version 2.5.68 (root@jackson) (gcc version 3.2.2) #2 Sun May 4 00:20:13 CEST 2003
01:39 < daja77> mnemoc: what do you mean with non updated
01:40 < mnemoc> not last packages
01:40 < mnemoc> you still can test stage 1 independece
01:41 < mnemoc> OT: anyone knows how to 'rescue' mails from a MDaemon without MDaemon installed?
01:45 < daja77> hmmm still building patch utility strange
01:48 < mnemoc> patch utility strange? <-- what do u mean?
01:49 < daja77> that it takes so long to build
01:50 < mnemoc> i took 6 hours in my last build of 1-linux24 :)
01:51 < daja77> which machine?
01:51 < mnemoc> p200/64
01:51 < daja77> d'oh
01:52 < mnemoc> i use to use a vmware on my box, but it was slower and it makes my box unusable
01:53 < daja77> vmware on that box wow
01:54 < mnemoc> no... i my p3/700 :)
01:54 < mnemoc> so i moved to that p200
01:54 < daja77> why it is so slow
01:56 < daja77> *argh* there is no build at all running
01:57 < mnemoc> p3/700/256 + ATA100 + XP + vmware( rh72 + builing linux24or gcc3) <--- that was slower than p200/64 with rh72
01:58 < tsa> rxr: still awake?
01:58 < daja77> uff
01:59 < mnemoc> brb
01:59 < rxr> tsa: barely
01:59 < daja77> rxr: the build died somehow reinitiated it
01:59 < mnemoc> rxr: subconfig.$pkg is official?
02:00 < tsa> rxr: i just answered your mail regarding the elf package....it's just a small tool displaying statistics about elf files, so it's nothing too important..
02:01 < rxr> tsa: yeah I took a look - but is is not really needed for a system ...
02:01 < rxr> we already have libelf which is a elf object access lib - used e.g. by prelink ...
02:01 < tsa> yes. it's just a small "goodie"..
02:02 < rxr> we shouldn't polute base too much ...
02:02 < rxr> mnemoc: jackson:~/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr/misc$ grep -r subconfig *
02:02 < rxr> config/config-games.in:%include package/*/*/subconfig-games.in
02:02 < rxr> config/config-libs.in:%include package/*/*/subconfig-libs.in
02:03 < rxr> introduced by cliff so ...
02:04 * daja77 getting dyndns record ;)
02:05 < rxr> Committed revision 105.
02:06 < rxr> server side rock subversion repository:
02:06 < rxr> 146M    rock-linux
02:07 < rxr> so finally good night
02:07 < rxr> cu
02:07 < tsa> cu rxr
02:11 < daja77> ok build is broken I'll go to bed now
02:16 < tsa> hehe...have fun
02:16 < tsa> cu daja77
02:22 * tsa sending more new packages
02:35 < mnemoc> tsa: which mta do you use?
02:36 < tsa> mnemoc: sendmail
02:36 < mnemoc> with maildirs?
02:36 < tsa> i don't really like postfix, but i'll probably have a look at courier-mta soon
02:36 < tsa> yes.
02:37 < tsa> (pretty easy, you'll just have to change the local mailer)
02:37 < mnemoc> what don't you like of postfix?
02:38 < tsa> i've seen it losse mail several times.
02:38 < mnemoc> uff... good reason
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02:38 < tsa> basically because of people that said postfix was easy to configure
02:39 < tsa> (..and still failed at it ;)
02:39 < tsa> people always say the sendmail.cf is unreadable and postfix is much better
02:40 < mnemoc> isn't it?
02:40 < tsa> but: you'll have to compare the sendmail.mc and the corresponding postfix files.
02:41 < tsa> which isn't too much a difference, IMHO.
02:42 < mnemoc> why not qmail? djb?
02:42 < tsa> you can still change the sendmail.cf, which gives sendmail a bonus because it can be the most flexible MTA i know so far, but you dnon't have to
02:43 < tsa> i'm already using daemontools and djbdns here..
02:43 < tsa> ...i need a MTA to act as a smtp-auth client to my provider, therefore no qmail so far
02:44 < tsa> ( i know there are patches, but i didn't have the time to try them out so far..
02:44 < tsa> )
02:44 < mnemoc> i would like to try qmail-ldap
02:45 < tsa> djb might have a somewhat strange attitude and licensing scheme, but his software is just simple, small - and it works.
02:45 < mnemoc> runit is a great alternative to daemontools & ucspi-tcp limitations
02:46 < mnemoc> but i'm looking for a replacement for qmail's
02:46 < mnemoc> not founding anything yet
02:47 < mnemoc> runit=init + daemontools ipsvd=ucspi-{tcp,udp}
02:47 < tsa> ah, i see
02:47 < mnemoc> GPL ;-)
02:47 < tsa> <- had major problems with postfix+openldap this week
02:48 < mnemoc> problems with ldap or postfix, or with the intergation?
02:48 < tsa> ldap server died, postfix responded with "user unknown" instead of "temporarily not available"
02:48 < mnemoc> :|
02:48 < tsa> lots of mail bounced, customer angry.
02:48 < mnemoc> ldap over sql or bdb?
02:48 < tsa> understandable, imho.
02:48 < tsa> bdb
02:49 < tsa> ldap seems to be a good way to get rid of important data.
02:50 < tsa> (i wouldn't use ldap with sendmail, either)
02:50 < mnemoc> i'm constricting my target over ldap... :-\
02:50 < tsa> hehe...have fun ;)
02:51 < tsa> hope you get it more stable than the redHat stuff i'm forced to use at work
02:51 < tsa> anyway...02:51am...time for me to catch some sleep.
02:51 < mnemoc> now i'm a little worried... thanks to your 'problem'
02:51 < tsa> ;)
02:51 < mnemoc> go to do that deprecated action
02:51 < tsa> g'night..
02:52 < mnemoc> gn8
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03:39 < esden> hi all
03:40 < mnemoc> hi
03:40 < esden> ahh someone alife ... I was not expecting that ;-)
03:40 < esden> hi mnemoc 
03:42 < mnemoc> :)
03:52 < mnemoc> dammit!...
03:52 < mnemoc> sed as part of a "$@" doesn't work :\
04:08 < esden> o_O
04:26 < esden> good night
04:27 < mnemoc> n8
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07:07 < kasc> moin
09:53 < blindcoder> moin
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09:58 < rxr> re
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10:26 < rxr> Committed revision 107.
10:32 < rxr> Committed revision 108.
10:32 < rxr> cu later
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10:49 < gsuveg> re
10:50 < gsuveg> what is the minimum install of rl?
11:22 < rxr> hi gsuveg
11:23 < rxr> how do you define miminmum install ?
11:24 < gsuveg> i would make a router that need to fit on zipdirve
11:24 < gsuveg> and need: wireless, cbq, snmp
11:27 < rxr> gsuveg: no problem - we even have a special router target that is only some MB in size ...
11:27 < gsuveg> rxr: fine. can you give me docs?
11:27 < gsuveg> me very new the rocklinux.
11:28 < gsuveg> im use *bsd. i have a obsd based wifi router project, but it sound like, i need use linux
11:29 < rxr> either you download a tarball or use cvs or subversion and the look into the Documentation directory
11:29 < rxr> or you browse my subversion repository online:
11:29 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/Documentation/
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11:37 < gsuveg> rxr: avaliable a install iso?
11:38 < daja77> re
11:38 < rxr> Committed revision 109.
11:39 < gsuveg> i need linux to build rocklinux right?
11:39 < rxr> gsuveg: you need a non-crippled linux to build ROCK linux ;-)
11:39 < rxr> gsuveg: simply read the homepage carefully - all info is there.
11:39 < daja77> rxr: build broke before I went to bed
11:39 < gsuveg> ??non-crippled
11:39 < rxr> for an ISO:
11:39 < rxr> daja77: not SuSE, RedHat or other toys ...
11:40 < rxr> er gsuveg I meant ...
11:40 < daja77> yepp
11:40 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html
11:41 < rxr> or better:
11:41 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock.html
11:41 < gsuveg> rxr: understud
11:41 < rxr> the "How can you obtain dRock?" section ;-)
11:41 < rxr> the latest is 2.0.0-alpha
11:42 < rxr> a 2.0.0-beta should be (hopefully) released today.
11:42 < daja77> *g*
11:44 < daja77> rxr:  would it hgelp to uopgrade autoconf on my host system?
11:45 < rxr> daja77: it seems that this would be a work arround - but getting this bug fixed would be even nicer ...
11:45 < gsuveg> rxr: 1.6pre3 iso is good choiche for start?
11:45 < rxr> gsuveg: nope !
11:46 < rxr> take some 2.0.0 ISO !!!
11:46 < rxr> 2.0.0-alpa for example
11:46 < gsuveg> rxr: please give me url
11:46 < daja77> rxr: changing build order so that autoconf is build before coreutils, perhaps?
11:47 < rxr> daja77: no - this is not yet chroot'ed your host systems one is used ...
11:47 < rxr> gsuveg: on which server are you currently ?
11:48 < daja77> rxr: so there is no way to fix it, I guess
11:52 < rxr> daja77: there is - there really is no need to use autoconf ...
11:52 < daja77> aha tell me more
11:53 < gsuveg> .org
11:56 < daja77> rxr: btw I read in the err log that the script suggested to redo an aclocal to avoid errors maybe we should add this to .conf file
11:57 < rxr> gsuveg: ... - _which_ .org? full qualified name please ...
11:57 < gsuveg> www.rocklinux.org
11:57 < rxr> daja77: to then we have even more dependencies on the build system
11:57 < rxr> those auto* crap should not be run at all.
11:58 < rxr> gsuveg: hm? on this server aren't no ISOs?
11:58 < rxr> the dRock URL I posted above ontained:
11:58 < rxr> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/
11:58 < rxr> http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~drock/
11:58 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock
11:58 < rxr> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock
11:59 < daja77> rxr: but how you want to build coreutils then?
11:59 < rxr> daja77: I'll take a look into this in some seconds
11:59 < gsuveg> thx
11:59 < daja77> rxr: ok
12:00 < gsuveg> rxr: thx.
12:00 < gsuveg> whats on cd2?
12:03 < daja77> gsuveg: the packages which didn't fit on cd1
12:04 < gsuveg> daja77: ok. thx
12:05 < rxr> gsuveg: the packages are spread i alphabetical order + random gap filling over the CDs - but I think about speading them more logically that the CD2 is not needed if you do not need gnome* or server apps ...
12:05 < rxr> s/i/in/
12:07 < gsuveg> rxr: thx
12:08 < gsuveg> rxr: maybe better reorg the packages tree. one cd what more then 80% need (servers, X, wm*), and on cd2 the extras
12:08 * gsuveg lunch
12:08 < gsuveg> back later
12:08 < rxr> gsuveg: there are more problems
12:09 < daja77> ack
12:09 < rxr> we have many target from server over desktop to embedded needs
12:09 < gsuveg> rxr: back later
12:09 < rxr> we cannot hardcode this packages placement - especially as users can select to not build packages
12:09 < daja77> rxr: we have an embedded target O_o
12:10 < rxr> so with all this dynamics it must be automatically spread over the CDs
12:10 < rxr> daja77: well the first is the router target - other to come ... ;-)
12:10 < daja77> ;)
12:12 < daja77> rxr: I now have a dyndns record and will setup a better non ip based iptables rule ;)
12:12 < rxr> daja77: ok - can I already log ing ?
12:13 < daja77> I'll have to boot the machine mom
12:13 < kasc> re
12:14 < daja77> re kasc
12:15 < rxr> daja77: cliff said on the ML - that he now fixed the autoconf need ...
12:16 < daja77> O_o checking...
12:19 < daja77> rxr: this is a fix for stage 3 which I never reach...
12:21 < rxr> daja77: yes - I also just noticed that there is nothing new in cvs ..
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12:59 < gsuveg> are
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13:24 < LoriTV> moin moin
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13:25 < franky> moinsen :)
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13:34 < daja77> hi mlw ;)
13:38 < daja77> Lorini: still watching tc O_o
13:39 < daja77> hi franky
13:39 < daja77> tv
13:42 < Lorini> daja77: nope
13:43 < daja77> good
13:43 < daja77> bbl cu
13:51 < praenti> hi
13:51 < praenti> can anyone tell me where the init-scripts are generated in 1.7 and where the templates are. i have an error in the system script
13:55 < esden> good morning everyone
13:55 < esden> praenti: will you be at chicconi?
14:01 < Lorini> esden: hi
14:09 < esden> hi Lorini *hug*
14:09 * -> esden -> off for food
14:13 < _NULL_> hi
14:20 < praenti> esden: yes
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14:22 < Bevin> hi all
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14:25 < praenti> hi Bevin
14:28 < daja77> re
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14:41 < daja77> wb Lorini
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14:41 < Lorini> re
14:46 * daja77 off having a walk
14:47 < blindcoder> bah, so much typing work >_<
14:48 < esden> blindcoder: ?
14:48 < esden> blindcoder: what are you typing?
14:50 < blindcoder> esden: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/test/
14:50 < blindcoder> esden: LocalHeros beto-design finally inspired me
14:51 < blindcoder> esden: and I had to do small pseudo-cms-function-calls, so I have to adapt the php-files
14:57 < esden> aha ... ok
14:57 * -> esden off fixing an email accound of our polish priest ... ;-)
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15:03 < LocalHero> Hi all
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15:08 < _NULL_> hi LocalHero
15:08 < _NULL_> hi zer0_o
15:08 < zer0_o> hi _NULL_
15:09 < zer0_o> hi all
15:14 < blindcoder> hi LocalHero, _NULL_, rest :)
15:30 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off
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15:58 < _NULL_> hi and bye blindcoder
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17:35 < gsuveg> the one cd is not enough for install :((
17:46 < daja77> re
17:48 < gsuveg> daja77: hi
17:51 < daja77> hi gsuveg
17:52 < daja77> mnemoc: hi ;)
17:57 < mnemoc> hi
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17:58 < daja77> mnemoc: you are are coreutils now *g*
18:00 -!- mnemoc is now known as coreutils
18:00 * coreutils is a bug
18:00 < coreutils> i'm more beloved than bdb
18:01 < daja77> hehehe, you are nearly pissed as me ;)
18:02 < coreutils> damn gnu people whom decided to join those three projects
18:04 < _NULL_> *loool* mnemoc - you're really fallen in love with coreutils, aren't you?
18:05 < daja77> hehe yes he is
18:06 < coreutils> i had a picture of bdb aside my bed... now i have one of coreutils ;)
18:06 < gsuveg> can i ask a question near of flame?
18:06 < daja77> show me!
18:07 < daja77> gsuveg: prepare to get flamed...
18:07 < _NULL_> coreutils: :p
18:07 < gsuveg> what better rocklinux as gentoo
18:07 < gsuveg> for example
18:07 < gsuveg> daja77: i would make flame/distrib war
18:07 < daja77> lol, ask _NULL_
18:07 < gsuveg> daja77: pardon?
18:08 < daja77> _NULL_ hates gentoo so she is the right one to ask...
18:08 < gsuveg> daja77: ah. me same think not clear
18:09 < daja77> gsuveg: I see...
18:09 < gsuveg> daja77: im not use linux cca 2 year, before i was use deb,redhat, slackware
18:10 < gsuveg> daja77: now im use *bsd, but i need build a linux based router, and im find a linux
18:10 < daja77> ahem what is your question precisely?
18:10 < gsuveg> what diff beetwen rocklinux and gentoo
18:11 < coreutils> make + python vs bash
18:11 < coreutils> lames vs admins
18:12 < daja77> yeah
18:12 -!- gsuveg_ [~gsuveg@nilus-1087.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #rocklinux
18:12 < coreutils> :o... gsuveg: what was the last thing you read?
18:13 < gsuveg_> rl = lames ?
18:13 < gsuveg_> or rl = admins
18:13 < gsuveg_> <coreutils> make + python vs bash
18:13 < gsuveg_> <coreutils> lames vs admins
18:13 < gsuveg_> what directions is rl / gentoo ?
18:13 < daja77> O_o directions?
18:14 * gsuveg_ my adsl isp drop my line
18:14 < gsuveg_> daja77: sorry, my english is bad
18:14 < gsuveg_> bash = rocklinux, python = gentoo?
18:15 < coreutils> gentoo is 'fine' for desktops... nothing else
18:15 < gsuveg_> ok.
18:15 < gsuveg_> sounds better
18:15 < coreutils> is a source based mandrake ;-)
18:15 < daja77> well basically with rock linux you build a binary distro from the source, in gentoo you install software from sources all the time
18:15 < daja77> coreutils: hehe, ack
18:15 < gsuveg_> and the core team is sysadmin?
18:15 < gsuveg_> daja77: im install apps from src on bsd :)
18:16 < gsuveg_> and works with rocklinux?
18:16 < coreutils> but you should do that everytime...
18:16 < coreutils> rock makes it repeatable
18:16 < daja77> well of course you can ever install software from source but not the gentoo way
18:16 < gsuveg_> daja77: what way?
18:17 < gsuveg_> daja77: rtfm is ok too
18:17 < daja77> oh well you should read www.gentoo.org
18:17 < gsuveg_> daja77: i know gentoo. i need info from rocklinux
18:18 < daja77> www.rocklinux.org ?
18:18 < gsuveg_> daja77: im read it
18:18 < gsuveg_> and the core team is sysadmin?
18:18 < gsuveg_> and works with rocklinux?
18:19 < daja77> the core team are using rock indeed and are developers and/or sysadmins
18:19 < gsuveg_> sound good
18:20 < coreutils> in rock you design a target for your purpose, you buildit for you desired architectures and build that on cd to install it in all the boxes you need.
18:20 < gsuveg_> and what is the age of developers?
18:20 < daja77> have a look at the gallery
18:21 < coreutils> hhtp://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery
18:21 < daja77> http of course
18:21 < gsuveg_> yepp
18:22 < coreutils> :|
18:23 < daja77> ;)
18:23 < gsuveg_> ok
18:24 < gsuveg_> packeges works like on *bsd ?
18:24 < daja77> no
18:24 < gsuveg_> ports tree?
18:24 < gsuveg_> daja77: how?
18:25 < daja77> gem packages with mine package manager
18:25 < gsuveg_> ?gem
18:25 < coreutils> rock, gem, mine, stone, etc... :)
18:25 < daja77> package format of rock linux
18:25 < gsuveg_> ok
18:26 < daja77> hehe dwarf is missing...
18:26 < coreutils> yea.... we need a dwarf
18:26 < gsuveg_> how can i upgrade the 1 packages 2. system ?
18:27 < gsuveg_> daja77: the package system is documented?
18:27 < daja77> dunno
18:27 < gsuveg_> daja77: if i would make package ?
18:27 < coreutils> afaik the guide is almost ready
18:28 -!- coreutils is now known as mnemoc
18:28 < daja77> wee mnemoc is back
18:28 < mnemoc> re :P
18:30 < daja77> *hmpf* /me waiting for rene
18:30 < gsuveg_> how can i upgrade the 1 packages 2. system ?
18:32 < mnemoc> sure... with mine and gem
18:32 < gsuveg_> ok
18:32 < gsuveg_> work via ssh ?
18:33 < mnemoc> 'system' is a group of packages, packages can be updated without loosing configuration
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18:37 < mnemoc> that question is out of my scope ;)... don't know if there is/will be an *automated* method to update packages and how it works :\
18:37 < gsuveg_> not need automated
18:38 < mnemoc> afaik you build that updated target getting new gem files to distribute
18:38 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M372P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
18:39 < mnemoc> gotta go *g*... cu l8r
18:39 < daja77> bye mnemoc, have fun
18:40 < n00kie> bye mnemoc
18:40 < n00kie> Howdy daja77 :)
18:40 < mnemoc> bye
18:41 < daja77> hi n00kie
18:42 < gsuveg_> mnemoc: thx
18:45 -!- gsuveg_ is now known as gsuveg
18:45 * gsuveg out
18:46 < daja77> bye gsuveg
18:47 < gsuveg> daja77: bye. i need cicle with my dother ;)
18:48 < daja77> have fun with your daughter
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19:39 < wdslbr> hello
19:40 < gsuveg> re
19:41 < wdslbr> rxr: i have one question on usbsnoop.
19:41 < daja77> rxr where?
19:41 -!- jahlin [~jahlin@jxxcqm1.cm.chello.no] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting")
19:42 < daja77> hi wdslbr
19:42 < wdslbr> hi daja77
19:42 < daja77> re gsuveg how was your trip?
19:42 < gsuveg> good :)
19:42 * blindcoder comes into #rocklinux and makes a silent, WEE-like noise
19:42 < blindcoder> hi all
19:43 < daja77> hehe hi blindy
19:44 * daja77 trying to do some useful work until rxr is back
19:44 < blindcoder> phew... I love skating :)
19:44 < daja77> with melanie?
19:45 -!- wdslbr [~nobody@pD904B16B.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ()
19:45 < blindcoder> no, alone
19:45 < blindcoder> melanie is on a blind date in munich
19:46 < daja77> yeah date a blind
19:46 < blindcoder> muahaha
19:46 < blindcoder> date a blind (coder) :D
19:46 * daja77 not *g*
19:47 < blindcoder> don't worry I wouldn't date you (well... otoh...)
19:47 < daja77> I am a glad guy...
19:53 < blindcoder> bbl
19:59 < rxr> re
20:07 < blindcoder> wee! a shower is really reviving :)
20:09 < Lorini> hm good idea
20:10 < rxr> maybe this konsole quits during installing new kde packages - so maybe  I'll leave and be back in some minutes ...
20:14 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E12FC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:14 < tsa> hi all
20:14 < blindcoder> hi tsa
20:14 < tsa> hi blindcoder
20:17 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("leaving")
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20:22 < rxr> re
20:23 < _NULL_> wb rxr, hi tsa, blindcoder
20:23 < blindcoder> bbl, Pool
20:55 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813C8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:56 < tsa> hi tcr
20:56 < daja77> hi tcr
20:56 < kasc> re
20:56 < daja77> hi tsa
20:57 < daja77> re kasc
21:00 < tcr> moin all
21:06 < kasc> hi tcr
21:10 < tcr> Hmm, she's indeed quite cute... Also watching Verlockende Falle?
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21:11 < tsa> <-
21:12 -!- franky_ [~senaxl@p508271A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:12 < dreamind> Hi
21:12 < _NULL_> hi dreamind , franky_
21:12 -!- franky_ is now known as senaxl_
21:12 < senaxl_> :)
21:12 -!- senaxl_ is now known as senaxl
21:12 < senaxl> so :)
21:13 < dreamind> Hi _NULL_
21:13 < senaxl> Hi :)
21:14 < dreamind> .oO( *NULL; hm, what would gcc say 'bout that? )
21:19 < _NULL_> gcc would be amused
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21:19 < Mike-home> moin all :)
21:19 < _NULL_> hi Mike-home
21:20 < Mike-home> greetings Sandra
21:20 < daja77> hey Mike-home
21:20 < Mike-home> 'lo Daniel
21:20 < daja77> nice to see you on sunday ;)
21:20 < Mike-home> so whats new around here? any entertainment?
21:20 < Mike-home> daja77 ah well i am bored as hell
21:20 < daja77> nope but you could start some
21:20 < Mike-home> so i decided to come by and give a quick visit
21:21 < daja77> this is *great*
21:21 * Mike-home smashes an apple pie against daja77's face
21:21 < Mike-home> entertainment started
21:21 < daja77> yummee applepie
21:21 < Mike-home> :))
21:22 < _NULL_> omg
21:22 < Mike-home> daja77, _NULL_  how is weekend treating ya?
21:22 < _NULL_> might i join this fight?
21:22 < Mike-home> daja77 looks like _NULL_ wants some apple pie too, would u do the honors?
21:22 < daja77> please
21:22 * _NULL_ smashes an tomatoe against Mike-home 's head
21:22 * daja77 grabs some mud for _NULL_ 
21:23 * daja77 throws mud at _NULL_ 
21:23 * Mike-home kills his aunts dog and drop the blood against _NULL_ 
21:23 < daja77> yeah dog blood
21:23 * _NULL_ protects herselfe against the attacks with her witcheries *vbeg*
21:24 * daja77 casts a spell against _NULL_ 
21:24 < Mike-home> daja77 the animal sacrifice has been completed, and the blood is all over the virgin
21:24 < Mike-home> time to make the virgin sacrifice
21:24 < daja77> ack
21:24 * daja77 grabs knife
21:24 < Mike-home> me grabs a chicken
21:25 < _NULL_> *lol*
21:25 < daja77> eh chick, right
21:25 < gsuveg> for full install 2.5G ok for / ?
21:25 < Mike-home> gsuveg yes.
21:25 < daja77> gsuveg: don't disturb our fight *g*
21:25 < gsuveg> daja77: ?
21:25 < Mike-home> daja77 don't be so rude to the guy.. what do u have ur water pistol for?
21:25 < daja77> gsuveg: don't worry
21:25 * daja77 shoots at gsuveg 
21:26 < Mike-home> gsuveg wanna join our "virtual fight"?
21:26 < gsuveg> first i was make 256 for / and more to /usr
21:26 < daja77> gsuveg: you'll need more for /opt
21:26 < Mike-home> _NULL_ don't hide coward, display your self
21:26 < gsuveg> why need more then 1GB for / ?
21:26 < daja77> gsuveg: as I told you due /opt
21:27 < _NULL_> Mike-home: ?
21:27 < daja77> /opt/gnome
21:27 < gsuveg> ah
21:27 < daja77> /opt/kde
21:27 < Mike-home> gsuveg ah well if u have /usr, /var, /home, and / in different partition then / shouldn't be so big
21:27 < gsuveg> Mike / 256M, /usr 40G
21:27 < Mike-home> gsuveg u could create a 1.5gb partition for /opt
21:27 < gsuveg> oks
21:27 < daja77> 40g for user, hell why this
21:28 < Mike-home> gsuveg of course there is the fact that i don't know how big is your hd
21:28 < Mike-home> usr - 40gb wtf
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21:28 < daja77> gsuveg: don't waste that much space for usr
21:29 < gsuveg> daja77: i was learn, the unix use /usr to install apps
21:29 < gsuveg> usr/local fro example
21:29 < daja77> gsuveg: yeah but show me your 40g of software to install
21:29 < Mike-home> gsuveg i couln't imagine somone install that much to need 40gb in /usr
21:30 < Mike-home> geez not even i would use that much space for software on my box
21:30 < daja77> keep some more for /home to store some movies
21:30 < gsuveg> daja77: hey
21:30 < gsuveg> daja77: do you not partitionig your all hdd ?
21:30 < daja77> gsuveg: I bet that you'll never need more than 10g for /usr in the next two years
21:31 < Mike-home> daja77 talking about movies, i am looking for people interested in sharing movies to make some kind of portal for our trust circle.
21:31 < daja77> Mike-home: nice idea but you know I have only isdn
21:32 < daja77> Mike-home: but I got a dyndns record *g*
21:32 < Mike-home> daja77 we could try to have a host for it
21:32 < Mike-home> hehe
21:32 < daja77> yeah rxr was on my box, debugging a bit ;)
21:32 < gsuveg> daja77: im link /home to /usr/home
21:32 < Mike-home> anyways i think i am going to jump a bit now (motocross practice)
21:33 < gsuveg> daja77: do you dont hear abour freebsd ?
21:33 < Mike-home> so cu tomorrow
21:33 < gsuveg> Mike-home: bye
21:33 < daja77> gsuveg: I am not interested in freebsd thx
21:33 < Mike-home> _NULL_, daja77 behave your selves
21:33 < daja77> Mike-home: never :p
21:34 < Mike-home> daja77 good!
21:34 < Mike-home> :PP
21:34 < Mike-home> gute nacht alle
21:34 < Mike-home> +s
21:34 < daja77> gute nacht mike
21:34 < senaxl> nachti :)
21:34 < _NULL_> <-- is planning a trip. sorry... busy
21:34 < daja77> Mike-home: -s
21:34 < _NULL_> gn8 Mike-home
21:34 < Mike-home> exit
21:34 < Mike-home> exit
21:34 < gsuveg> install use /tmp to install apps?
21:34 < Mike-home> arrgg
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21:52 < rxr> I'm currently working on a new style and creation method for the ROCK Linux page ...
21:53 < rxr> any comments about:
21:53 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/index.html
21:54 < daja77> oh you used this annoying layer again
21:54 < daja77> the rest is quite nice
21:55 < rxr> daja77: would you like the "layer" more if it would not cover content ?
21:55 < daja77> yes definitely
21:55 < daja77> brb
21:56 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M372P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
21:56 < tcr> rxr: with what browser did you test it?
21:56 < rxr> konqueror - and later mozilla ...
21:57 < tcr> I'm using 1.3 and the navbar, erm, behaves quite oddly!
21:57 < tcr> is it normally that it scrolls with?
21:57 < tcr> and that it overlapps with the text  (about 2columns of text)
21:57 < tcr> ?
21:58 < rxr> tcr: yes - it is intended to be fixed
21:58 < tcr> Ok, I basically like the idea
21:59 < tcr> (of the shadowed boxes)
21:59 < tcr> this quirk of scrolling of the navbar is somewhat inconvenient -- sure it works with text browsers?
22:00 < rxr> no - text browser will be tested later ...
22:00 < rxr> but this is css - so someone could provide another text - print whaterver stylesheet ...
22:01 < rxr> now it doesn't overlap anymore - better?
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22:02 < tcr> Hmm, I'd align the boxes on the left (currently there's quite a big gap)
22:02 < tcr> erm on the right
22:02 < tcr> sorry
22:03 * mlw is back
22:05 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M277P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
22:06 < rxr> tcr: maybe better now
22:07 < rxr> but I'll now first restructure all the content
22:09 < tcr> rxr: what did you change?
22:10 < daja77> re
22:11 < rxr> the right allignment ...
22:11 < daja77> rxr: better
22:12 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FE2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Lost terminal")
22:13 < tcr> rxr: Hmm? I meant the alignment of the boxed that're shadowed
22:13 * daja77 hiding until blindcoder's script has finished
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22:24 < daja77> rxr: does rock really comply to fhs and lsb, I thought I found some mismatches, I could look it up this week if you like
22:28 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux
22:28 < LocalHero> Hi all
22:28 < LocalHero> Wow, i bought this all new logitec keyboard to replace my old one full with coca cola. Now i have a whole bunch of buttons that doesnt even work in linux :)
22:30 < daja77> LocalHero: they are for new cola *g*
22:32 < LocalHero> daja77, ahh, sounds nice, i will try to pour something into them later :)
22:33 < LocalHero> Well, got to have some sleep, cya
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22:36 < rxr> daja77: yes - sure would be nice if this would be verified after all the restructuring
22:42 < daja77> rxr: ok will dig through this
22:51 < daja77> WEEEEEEEEE, coreutils built, stage 2 reached
22:51 * daja77 happy
22:52 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813C8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos")
22:54 < rxr> daja77: you updated autoconf I guess ?
22:54 < rxr> most of the drock page is converted now:
22:54 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/
22:54 < daja77> yes + automake + texinfo to be sure
22:54 < rxr> more comments ?
22:55 < rxr> (and yes I know that the screenshot page is currently quite puzzled ...)
22:56 < daja77> hehe esden has a natalie protman background ;)
22:58 < daja77> the download link is strange
22:59 < rxr> daja77: ah yes - they are not yet fully adapted/converted ...
23:00 < daja77> ;)
23:00 < rxr> better ?
23:01 < daja77> yeah better, even if this is not really the download page
23:01 < rxr> jups - still emacs-inf ...
23:03 < daja77> how many packages broke in your last build?
23:03 < rxr> erhm ...
23:03 < rxr> dum di du di dum di du
23:03 < daja77> ashamed?
23:04 < rxr> the latest checkins broke quite much in kasc and nikolaus rep
23:04 < rxr> so the number got up to over 100
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23:05 < daja77> mhmm doesn't bother me much, don't need the games
23:05 < rxr> we got it down to under 60 now I think
23:05 < rxr> 98% of the serious packages should be ok
23:06 < daja77> hehe
23:06 < rxr> or even more ...
23:09 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html
23:09 < daja77> damn it seems I have to do a svn up once more
23:12 < daja77> ui stage 3
23:15 * daja77 votes for removing the title dipl-inf from people using outlook
23:15 < daja77> perl5 still fails?
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23:32 < daja77> wb kasc
23:45 < daja77> *yawn* I'll go now, stage 5 reached btw ;)
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