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--- Log opened Sun May 04 00:00:26 2003 --- Day changed Sun May 04 2003 00:05 < daja77> re 00:07 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has left #rocklinux () 00:25 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:25 < rxr> re 00:25 < rxr> Linux version 2.5.68 (root@jackson) (gcc version 3.2.2) #2 Sun May 4 00:20:13 CEST 2003 00:25 < daja77> hehe cool 00:26 < rxr> hopefully it scales better than 2.4.21-rc1 00:27 < rxr> this -rc1 sucks so much I even mailed linux-kernel ... 00:27 < daja77> I'll need 2.4.20 for rtai anyway 00:29 < rxr> oops - the screen on your box was not responding correctly - and now a misplaced keystroke killed it :-( 00:30 < rxr> your box is now at "== 00:30:48 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 1.7-snapshot]." 00:30 < daja77> damn how can we reach it 00:31 < rxr> what? acl attr ? 00:31 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:32 < daja77> the build 00:33 < daja77> oh you restarted it? 00:33 < rxr> I continued it ... - the screen did :-( 00:34 * rxr mustn't hit C-C too oft when a prog is not responding ... 00:34 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M298P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:34 < daja77> *ggg* 00:34 < rxr> currently the 2.5.68 feels much better than the 2.4.21-rc1 ... 00:35 < daja77> how far until 2.6.0 ? 00:35 < rxr> and no spaw is used - the problem with 2.4.21-rc1 was that it constantly was swapping 100MB arround although 300MB where used as disk cache and 60MB where free ... 00:36 < daja77> urgs, so why are we using it 00:36 < rxr> daja77: this summer is the release date - but I do not know if they will meet it 00:36 < daja77> ah ;) 00:36 < rxr> the 2.4.20 wasn't that bad - I only start to test 2.4.21 in the last weeks and came to this swap issue during my continues ROCK builds ... 00:37 < rxr> it really sucks when the xemacs has to be pulled out of the swap only to type a mail - and after that mail konqueror needs to be find in the swap ... and so on. 00:37 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:37 < rxr> feels like windows 00:38 < rxr> hm - I should have send the two defect IBM disk to IBM earlier - I'm running out of disk space at gmsp.tfh-berlin.de ... 00:38 < rxr> s/gmsp/gsmp/ 00:40 -!- daja77 [daja@rotuma.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit ("Lost terminal") 00:42 -!- daja77 [daja@rotuma.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:42 < daja77> re 00:42 < daja77> damn screen 00:45 < daja77> rxr: still here? 00:46 < rxr> jups 00:46 < daja77> lost my screen session at university d'oh 00:47 < rxr> hm - the ssh session do your box is again not responding ... 00:47 < rxr> s/do/to/ 00:47 < daja77> hmm maybe ip has changed 00:48 < rxr> wow all the VM and the scheduler in 2.6 seems to pay off - the most responsive kernel I ever had ;-) 00:48 < daja77> O(1) scheduler right? 00:49 < rxr> jups + other tuning after the merge 00:51 < daja77> rxr: to which address are you trying to connect? 00:52 < rxr> 145.254.78.219 01:11 < rxr> Committed revision 103. 01:12 < daja77> *hmpf* 01:13 * daja77 waiting for stage 2 01:15 < daja77> this is so fast 01:17 < daja77> build base/bash 01:19 < rxr> daja77: which stage ? 01:19 < daja77> 1 01:19 < daja77> coreutils failed 01:25 < mnemoc> i built it fine after updating local autoconf, automake and texinfo 01:35 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - but this "bug" should be fixed - such dependencies are _bad_ ... 01:35 < rxr> cu tomorrow - errr today morning ;-) 01:35 < rxr> n8 01:36 < mnemoc> n8 :) 01:36 < mnemoc> i know it's a bug... i'm just bothering 01:37 < rxr> or better - cliff said this bug is fixed ... 01:38 < mnemoc> daja77 has an non-updated-local-box to test it? 01:38 < rxr> jups 01:38 < mnemoc> i should have waited :( 01:39 < rxr> so this look much better: 01:39 < rxr> jackson:~$ free 01:39 < rxr> total used free shared buffers cached 01:39 < rxr> Mem: 515848 492800 23048 0 71200 269476 01:39 < rxr> -/+ buffers/cache: 152124 363724 01:39 < rxr> Swap: 524624 128 524496 01:39 < rxr> not all editors are in swap space :-) 01:39 < mnemoc> 2.5? 01:39 < rxr> jups 01:39 < rxr> Linux version 2.5.68 (root@jackson) (gcc version 3.2.2) #2 Sun May 4 00:20:13 CEST 2003 01:39 < daja77> mnemoc: what do you mean with non updated 01:40 < mnemoc> not last packages 01:40 < mnemoc> you still can test stage 1 independece 01:41 < mnemoc> OT: anyone knows how to 'rescue' mails from a MDaemon without MDaemon installed? 01:45 < daja77> hmmm still building patch utility strange 01:48 < mnemoc> patch utility strange? <-- what do u mean? 01:49 < daja77> that it takes so long to build 01:50 < mnemoc> i took 6 hours in my last build of 1-linux24 :) 01:51 < daja77> which machine? 01:51 < mnemoc> p200/64 01:51 < daja77> d'oh 01:52 < mnemoc> i use to use a vmware on my box, but it was slower and it makes my box unusable 01:53 < daja77> vmware on that box wow 01:54 < mnemoc> no... i my p3/700 :) 01:54 < mnemoc> so i moved to that p200 01:54 < daja77> why it is so slow 01:56 < daja77> *argh* there is no build at all running 01:57 < mnemoc> p3/700/256 + ATA100 + XP + vmware( rh72 + builing linux24or gcc3) <--- that was slower than p200/64 with rh72 01:58 < tsa> rxr: still awake? 01:58 < daja77> uff 01:59 < mnemoc> brb 01:59 < rxr> tsa: barely 01:59 < daja77> rxr: the build died somehow reinitiated it 01:59 < mnemoc> rxr: subconfig.$pkg is official? 02:00 < tsa> rxr: i just answered your mail regarding the elf package....it's just a small tool displaying statistics about elf files, so it's nothing too important.. 02:01 < rxr> tsa: yeah I took a look - but is is not really needed for a system ... 02:01 < rxr> we already have libelf which is a elf object access lib - used e.g. by prelink ... 02:01 < tsa> yes. it's just a small "goodie".. 02:02 < rxr> we shouldn't polute base too much ... 02:02 < rxr> mnemoc: jackson:~/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr/misc$ grep -r subconfig * 02:02 < rxr> config/config-games.in:%include package/*/*/subconfig-games.in 02:02 < rxr> config/config-libs.in:%include package/*/*/subconfig-libs.in 02:03 < rxr> introduced by cliff so ... 02:04 * daja77 getting dyndns record ;) 02:05 < rxr> Committed revision 105. 02:06 < rxr> server side rock subversion repository: 02:06 < rxr> 146M rock-linux 02:07 < rxr> so finally good night 02:07 < rxr> cu 02:07 < tsa> cu rxr 02:11 < daja77> ok build is broken I'll go to bed now 02:16 < tsa> hehe...have fun 02:16 < tsa> cu daja77 02:22 * tsa sending more new packages 02:35 < mnemoc> tsa: which mta do you use? 02:36 < tsa> mnemoc: sendmail 02:36 < mnemoc> with maildirs? 02:36 < tsa> i don't really like postfix, but i'll probably have a look at courier-mta soon 02:36 < tsa> yes. 02:37 < tsa> (pretty easy, you'll just have to change the local mailer) 02:37 < mnemoc> what don't you like of postfix? 02:38 < tsa> i've seen it losse mail several times. 02:38 < mnemoc> uff... good reason 02:38 -!- mlw [~root@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has left #rocklinux () 02:38 < tsa> basically because of people that said postfix was easy to configure 02:39 < tsa> (..and still failed at it ;) 02:39 < tsa> people always say the sendmail.cf is unreadable and postfix is much better 02:40 < mnemoc> isn't it? 02:40 < tsa> but: you'll have to compare the sendmail.mc and the corresponding postfix files. 02:41 < tsa> which isn't too much a difference, IMHO. 02:42 < mnemoc> why not qmail? djb? 02:42 < tsa> you can still change the sendmail.cf, which gives sendmail a bonus because it can be the most flexible MTA i know so far, but you dnon't have to 02:43 < tsa> i'm already using daemontools and djbdns here.. 02:43 < tsa> ...i need a MTA to act as a smtp-auth client to my provider, therefore no qmail so far 02:44 < tsa> ( i know there are patches, but i didn't have the time to try them out so far.. 02:44 < tsa> ) 02:44 < mnemoc> i would like to try qmail-ldap 02:45 < tsa> djb might have a somewhat strange attitude and licensing scheme, but his software is just simple, small - and it works. 02:45 < mnemoc> runit is a great alternative to daemontools & ucspi-tcp limitations 02:46 < mnemoc> but i'm looking for a replacement for qmail's 02:46 < mnemoc> not founding anything yet 02:47 < mnemoc> runit=init + daemontools ipsvd=ucspi-{tcp,udp} 02:47 < tsa> ah, i see 02:47 < mnemoc> GPL ;-) 02:47 < tsa> <- had major problems with postfix+openldap this week 02:48 < mnemoc> problems with ldap or postfix, or with the intergation? 02:48 < tsa> ldap server died, postfix responded with "user unknown" instead of "temporarily not available" 02:48 < mnemoc> :| 02:48 < tsa> lots of mail bounced, customer angry. 02:48 < mnemoc> ldap over sql or bdb? 02:48 < tsa> understandable, imho. 02:48 < tsa> bdb 02:49 < tsa> ldap seems to be a good way to get rid of important data. 02:50 < tsa> (i wouldn't use ldap with sendmail, either) 02:50 < mnemoc> i'm constricting my target over ldap... :-\ 02:50 < tsa> hehe...have fun ;) 02:51 < tsa> hope you get it more stable than the redHat stuff i'm forced to use at work 02:51 < tsa> anyway...02:51am...time for me to catch some sleep. 02:51 < mnemoc> now i'm a little worried... thanks to your 'problem' 02:51 < tsa> ;) 02:51 < mnemoc> go to do that deprecated action 02:51 < tsa> g'night.. 02:52 < mnemoc> gn8 02:52 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082CF2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 03:36 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 03:39 < esden> hi all 03:40 < mnemoc> hi 03:40 < esden> ahh someone alife ... I was not expecting that ;-) 03:40 < esden> hi mnemoc 03:42 < mnemoc> :) 03:52 < mnemoc> dammit!... 03:52 < mnemoc> sed as part of a "$@" doesn't work :\ 04:08 < esden> o_O 04:26 < esden> good night 04:27 < mnemoc> n8 06:04 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M282P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:09 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M298P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:03 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A488.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:07 < kasc> moin 09:53 < blindcoder> moin 09:53 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M282P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:58 < rxr> re 10:20 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802225.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:26 < rxr> Committed revision 107. 10:32 < rxr> Committed revision 108. 10:32 < rxr> cu later 10:49 -!- gsuveg [~gsuveg@nilus-3146.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #rocklinux 10:49 < gsuveg> re 10:50 < gsuveg> what is the minimum install of rl? 11:22 < rxr> hi gsuveg 11:23 < rxr> how do you define miminmum install ? 11:24 < gsuveg> i would make a router that need to fit on zipdirve 11:24 < gsuveg> and need: wireless, cbq, snmp 11:27 < rxr> gsuveg: no problem - we even have a special router target that is only some MB in size ... 11:27 < gsuveg> rxr: fine. can you give me docs? 11:27 < gsuveg> me very new the rocklinux. 11:28 < gsuveg> im use *bsd. i have a obsd based wifi router project, but it sound like, i need use linux 11:29 < rxr> either you download a tarball or use cvs or subversion and the look into the Documentation directory 11:29 < rxr> or you browse my subversion repository online: 11:29 < rxr> https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/Documentation/ 11:31 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802225.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:37 < gsuveg> rxr: avaliable a install iso? 11:38 < daja77> re 11:38 < rxr> Committed revision 109. 11:39 < gsuveg> i need linux to build rocklinux right? 11:39 < rxr> gsuveg: you need a non-crippled linux to build ROCK linux ;-) 11:39 < rxr> gsuveg: simply read the homepage carefully - all info is there. 11:39 < daja77> rxr: build broke before I went to bed 11:39 < gsuveg> ??non-crippled 11:39 < rxr> for an ISO: 11:39 < rxr> daja77: not SuSE, RedHat or other toys ... 11:40 < rxr> er gsuveg I meant ... 11:40 < daja77> yepp 11:40 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html 11:41 < rxr> or better: 11:41 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock.html 11:41 < gsuveg> rxr: understud 11:41 < rxr> the "How can you obtain dRock?" section ;-) 11:41 < rxr> the latest is 2.0.0-alpha 11:42 < rxr> a 2.0.0-beta should be (hopefully) released today. 11:42 < daja77> *g* 11:44 < daja77> rxr: would it hgelp to uopgrade autoconf on my host system? 11:45 < rxr> daja77: it seems that this would be a work arround - but getting this bug fixed would be even nicer ... 11:45 < gsuveg> rxr: 1.6pre3 iso is good choiche for start? 11:45 < rxr> gsuveg: nope ! 11:46 < rxr> take some 2.0.0 ISO !!! 11:46 < rxr> 2.0.0-alpa for example 11:46 < gsuveg> rxr: please give me url 11:46 < daja77> rxr: changing build order so that autoconf is build before coreutils, perhaps? 11:47 < rxr> daja77: no - this is not yet chroot'ed your host systems one is used ... 11:47 < rxr> gsuveg: on which server are you currently ? 11:48 < daja77> rxr: so there is no way to fix it, I guess 11:52 < rxr> daja77: there is - there really is no need to use autoconf ... 11:52 < daja77> aha tell me more 11:53 < gsuveg> .org 11:56 < daja77> rxr: btw I read in the err log that the script suggested to redo an aclocal to avoid errors maybe we should add this to .conf file 11:57 < rxr> gsuveg: ... - _which_ .org? full qualified name please ... 11:57 < gsuveg> www.rocklinux.org 11:57 < rxr> daja77: to then we have even more dependencies on the build system 11:57 < rxr> those auto* crap should not be run at all. 11:58 < rxr> gsuveg: hm? on this server aren't no ISOs? 11:58 < rxr> the dRock URL I posted above ontained: 11:58 < rxr> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/ 11:58 < rxr> https://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~drock/ 11:58 < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock 11:58 < rxr> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock 11:59 < daja77> rxr: but how you want to build coreutils then? 11:59 < rxr> daja77: I'll take a look into this in some seconds 11:59 < gsuveg> thx 11:59 < daja77> rxr: ok 12:00 < gsuveg> rxr: thx. 12:00 < gsuveg> whats on cd2? 12:03 < daja77> gsuveg: the packages which didn't fit on cd1 12:04 < gsuveg> daja77: ok. thx 12:05 < rxr> gsuveg: the packages are spread i alphabetical order + random gap filling over the CDs - but I think about speading them more logically that the CD2 is not needed if you do not need gnome* or server apps ... 12:05 < rxr> s/i/in/ 12:07 < gsuveg> rxr: thx 12:08 < gsuveg> rxr: maybe better reorg the packages tree. one cd what more then 80% need (servers, X, wm*), and on cd2 the extras 12:08 * gsuveg lunch 12:08 < gsuveg> back later 12:08 < rxr> gsuveg: there are more problems 12:09 < daja77> ack 12:09 < rxr> we have many target from server over desktop to embedded needs 12:09 < gsuveg> rxr: back later 12:09 < rxr> we cannot hardcode this packages placement - especially as users can select to not build packages 12:09 < daja77> rxr: we have an embedded target O_o 12:10 < rxr> so with all this dynamics it must be automatically spread over the CDs 12:10 < rxr> daja77: well the first is the router target - other to come ... ;-) 12:10 < daja77> ;) 12:12 < daja77> rxr: I now have a dyndns record and will setup a better non ip based iptables rule ;) 12:12 < rxr> daja77: ok - can I already log ing ? 12:13 < daja77> I'll have to boot the machine mom 12:13 < kasc> re 12:14 < daja77> re kasc 12:15 < rxr> daja77: cliff said on the ML - that he now fixed the autoconf need ... 12:16 < daja77> O_o checking... 12:19 < daja77> rxr: this is a fix for stage 3 which I never reach... 12:21 < rxr> daja77: yes - I also just noticed that there is nothing new in cvs .. 12:21 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:59 < gsuveg> are 13:02 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157009190.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:11 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157009190.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x") 13:24 < LoriTV> moin moin 13:25 -!- LoriTV is now known as Lorini 13:25 < franky> moinsen :) 13:27 -!- mlw [~root@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 13:34 < daja77> hi mlw ;) 13:38 < daja77> Lorini: still watching tc O_o 13:39 < daja77> hi franky 13:39 < daja77> tv 13:42 < Lorini> daja77: nope 13:43 < daja77> good 13:43 < daja77> bbl cu 13:51 < praenti> hi 13:51 < praenti> can anyone tell me where the init-scripts are generated in 1.7 and where the templates are. i have an error in the system script 13:55 < esden> good morning everyone 13:55 < esden> praenti: will you be at chicconi? 14:01 < Lorini> esden: hi 14:09 < esden> hi Lorini *hug* 14:09 * -> esden -> off for food 14:13 < _NULL_> hi 14:20 < praenti> esden: yes 14:22 -!- Bevin [~gbevin@213-193-176-162.adsl.easynet.be] has joined #rocklinux 14:22 < Bevin> hi all 14:25 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:25 < praenti> hi Bevin 14:28 < daja77> re 14:33 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE218EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14:41 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506BE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux 14:41 < daja77> wb Lorini 14:41 -!- Bevin [~gbevin@213-193-176-162.adsl.easynet.be] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 14:41 < Lorini> re 14:46 * daja77 off having a walk 14:47 < blindcoder> bah, so much typing work >_< 14:48 < esden> blindcoder: ? 14:48 < esden> blindcoder: what are you typing? 14:50 < blindcoder> esden: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/test/ 14:50 < blindcoder> esden: LocalHeros beto-design finally inspired me 14:51 < blindcoder> esden: and I had to do small pseudo-cms-function-calls, so I have to adapt the php-files 14:57 < esden> aha ... ok 14:57 * -> esden off fixing an email accound of our polish priest ... ;-) 15:00 -!- LocalHero [~alexander@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 15:03 < LocalHero> Hi all 15:04 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-22-1-dialup-204.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 15:08 < _NULL_> hi LocalHero 15:08 < _NULL_> hi zer0_o 15:08 < zer0_o> hi _NULL_ 15:09 < zer0_o> hi all 15:14 < blindcoder> hi LocalHero, _NULL_, rest :) 15:30 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off 15:38 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:46 -!- Ge0rG_ [~georg@pD950BDFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:46 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: Ge0rG_!~georg@pD950BDFE.dip.t-dialin.net))) 15:46 -!- Ge0rG_ is now known as Ge0rG 15:54 -!- Ge0rG_ [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:56 -!- Ge0rG_ [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Client Quit) 15:56 -!- Ge0rG [~georg@pD950BDFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:58 < _NULL_> hi and bye blindcoder 16:13 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:27 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M372P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:29 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-22-1-dialup-204.freesurf.ch] has quit ("Client exiting") 16:53 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has quit ("bye") 16:53 -!- LocalHero [~alexander@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:21 -!- mnemoc is now known as coreutils 17:21 -!- coreutils is now known as mnemoc 17:22 * mlw is away: anti smell 17:23 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FE2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:24 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801E6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD958FE2B.dip.t-dialin.net))) 17:24 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 17:35 < gsuveg> the one cd is not enough for install :(( 17:46 < daja77> re 17:48 < gsuveg> daja77: hi 17:51 < daja77> hi gsuveg 17:52 < daja77> mnemoc: hi ;) 17:57 < mnemoc> hi 17:57 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M372P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:58 -!- Netsplit asimov.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla 17:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rolla 17:58 < daja77> mnemoc: you are are coreutils now *g* 18:00 -!- mnemoc is now known as coreutils 18:00 * coreutils is a bug 18:00 < coreutils> i'm more beloved than bdb 18:01 < daja77> hehehe, you are nearly pissed as me ;) 18:02 < coreutils> damn gnu people whom decided to join those three projects 18:04 < _NULL_> *loool* mnemoc - you're really fallen in love with coreutils, aren't you? 18:05 < daja77> hehe yes he is 18:06 < coreutils> i had a picture of bdb aside my bed... now i have one of coreutils ;) 18:06 < gsuveg> can i ask a question near of flame? 18:06 < daja77> show me! 18:07 < daja77> gsuveg: prepare to get flamed... 18:07 < _NULL_> coreutils: :p 18:07 < gsuveg> what better rocklinux as gentoo 18:07 < gsuveg> for example 18:07 < gsuveg> daja77: i would make flame/distrib war 18:07 < daja77> lol, ask _NULL_ 18:07 < gsuveg> daja77: pardon? 18:08 < daja77> _NULL_ hates gentoo so she is the right one to ask... 18:08 < gsuveg> daja77: ah. me same think not clear 18:09 < daja77> gsuveg: I see... 18:09 < gsuveg> daja77: im not use linux cca 2 year, before i was use deb,redhat, slackware 18:10 < gsuveg> daja77: now im use *bsd, but i need build a linux based router, and im find a linux 18:10 < daja77> ahem what is your question precisely? 18:10 < gsuveg> what diff beetwen rocklinux and gentoo 18:11 < coreutils> make + python vs bash 18:11 < coreutils> lames vs admins 18:12 < daja77> yeah 18:12 -!- gsuveg_ [~gsuveg@nilus-1087.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #rocklinux 18:12 < coreutils> :o... gsuveg: what was the last thing you read? 18:13 < gsuveg_> rl = lames ? 18:13 < gsuveg_> or rl = admins 18:13 < gsuveg_> <coreutils> make + python vs bash 18:13 < gsuveg_> <coreutils> lames vs admins 18:13 < gsuveg_> what directions is rl / gentoo ? 18:13 < daja77> O_o directions? 18:14 * gsuveg_ my adsl isp drop my line 18:14 < gsuveg_> daja77: sorry, my english is bad 18:14 < gsuveg_> bash = rocklinux, python = gentoo? 18:15 < coreutils> gentoo is 'fine' for desktops... nothing else 18:15 < gsuveg_> ok. 18:15 < gsuveg_> sounds better 18:15 < coreutils> is a source based mandrake ;-) 18:15 < daja77> well basically with rock linux you build a binary distro from the source, in gentoo you install software from sources all the time 18:15 < daja77> coreutils: hehe, ack 18:15 < gsuveg_> and the core team is sysadmin? 18:15 < gsuveg_> daja77: im install apps from src on bsd :) 18:16 < gsuveg_> and works with rocklinux? 18:16 < coreutils> but you should do that everytime... 18:16 < coreutils> rock makes it repeatable 18:16 < daja77> well of course you can ever install software from source but not the gentoo way 18:16 < gsuveg_> daja77: what way? 18:17 < gsuveg_> daja77: rtfm is ok too 18:17 < daja77> oh well you should read www.gentoo.org 18:17 < gsuveg_> daja77: i know gentoo. i need info from rocklinux 18:18 < daja77> www.rocklinux.org ? 18:18 < gsuveg_> daja77: im read it 18:18 < gsuveg_> and the core team is sysadmin? 18:18 < gsuveg_> and works with rocklinux? 18:19 < daja77> the core team are using rock indeed and are developers and/or sysadmins 18:19 < gsuveg_> sound good 18:20 < coreutils> in rock you design a target for your purpose, you buildit for you desired architectures and build that on cd to install it in all the boxes you need. 18:20 < gsuveg_> and what is the age of developers? 18:20 < daja77> have a look at the gallery 18:21 < coreutils> hhtp://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery 18:21 < daja77> http of course 18:21 < gsuveg_> yepp 18:22 < coreutils> :| 18:23 < daja77> ;) 18:23 < gsuveg_> ok 18:24 < gsuveg_> packeges works like on *bsd ? 18:24 < daja77> no 18:24 < gsuveg_> ports tree? 18:24 < gsuveg_> daja77: how? 18:25 < daja77> gem packages with mine package manager 18:25 < gsuveg_> ?gem 18:25 < coreutils> rock, gem, mine, stone, etc... :) 18:25 < daja77> package format of rock linux 18:25 < gsuveg_> ok 18:26 < daja77> hehe dwarf is missing... 18:26 < coreutils> yea.... we need a dwarf 18:26 < gsuveg_> how can i upgrade the 1 packages 2. system ? 18:27 < gsuveg_> daja77: the package system is documented? 18:27 < daja77> dunno 18:27 < gsuveg_> daja77: if i would make package ? 18:27 < coreutils> afaik the guide is almost ready 18:28 -!- coreutils is now known as mnemoc 18:28 < daja77> wee mnemoc is back 18:28 < mnemoc> re :P 18:30 < daja77> *hmpf* /me waiting for rene 18:30 < gsuveg_> how can i upgrade the 1 packages 2. system ? 18:32 < mnemoc> sure... with mine and gem 18:32 < gsuveg_> ok 18:32 < gsuveg_> work via ssh ? 18:33 < mnemoc> 'system' is a group of packages, packages can be updated without loosing configuration 18:34 -!- gsuveg [~gsuveg@nilus-3146.adsl.datanet.hu] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:37 < mnemoc> that question is out of my scope ;)... don't know if there is/will be an *automated* method to update packages and how it works :\ 18:37 < gsuveg_> not need automated 18:38 < mnemoc> afaik you build that updated target getting new gem files to distribute 18:38 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M372P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:39 < mnemoc> gotta go *g*... cu l8r 18:39 < daja77> bye mnemoc, have fun 18:40 < n00kie> bye mnemoc 18:40 < n00kie> Howdy daja77 :) 18:40 < mnemoc> bye 18:41 < daja77> hi n00kie 18:42 < gsuveg_> mnemoc: thx 18:45 -!- gsuveg_ is now known as gsuveg 18:45 * gsuveg out 18:46 < daja77> bye gsuveg 18:47 < gsuveg> daja77: bye. i need cicle with my dother ;) 18:48 < daja77> have fun with your daughter 19:32 -!- jahlin [~jahlin@jxxcqm1.cm.chello.no] has joined #rocklinux 19:38 -!- wdslbr [~nobody@pD904B16B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:39 < wdslbr> hello 19:40 < gsuveg> re 19:41 < wdslbr> rxr: i have one question on usbsnoop. 19:41 < daja77> rxr where? 19:41 -!- jahlin [~jahlin@jxxcqm1.cm.chello.no] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 19:42 < daja77> hi wdslbr 19:42 < wdslbr> hi daja77 19:42 < daja77> re gsuveg how was your trip? 19:42 < gsuveg> good :) 19:42 * blindcoder comes into #rocklinux and makes a silent, WEE-like noise 19:42 < blindcoder> hi all 19:43 < daja77> hehe hi blindy 19:44 * daja77 trying to do some useful work until rxr is back 19:44 < blindcoder> phew... I love skating :) 19:44 < daja77> with melanie? 19:45 -!- wdslbr [~nobody@pD904B16B.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux () 19:45 < blindcoder> no, alone 19:45 < blindcoder> melanie is on a blind date in munich 19:46 < daja77> yeah date a blind 19:46 < blindcoder> muahaha 19:46 < blindcoder> date a blind (coder) :D 19:46 * daja77 not *g* 19:47 < blindcoder> don't worry I wouldn't date you (well... otoh...) 19:47 < daja77> I am a glad guy... 19:53 < blindcoder> bbl 19:59 < rxr> re 20:07 < blindcoder> wee! a shower is really reviving :) 20:09 < Lorini> hm good idea 20:10 < rxr> maybe this konsole quits during installing new kde packages - so maybe I'll leave and be back in some minutes ... 20:14 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E12FC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:14 < tsa> hi all 20:14 < blindcoder> hi tsa 20:14 < tsa> hi blindcoder 20:17 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("leaving") 20:22 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:22 < rxr> re 20:23 < _NULL_> wb rxr, hi tsa, blindcoder 20:23 < blindcoder> bbl, Pool 20:55 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813C8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:56 < tsa> hi tcr 20:56 < daja77> hi tcr 20:56 < kasc> re 20:56 < daja77> hi tsa 20:57 < daja77> re kasc 21:00 < tcr> moin all 21:06 < kasc> hi tcr 21:10 < tcr> Hmm, she's indeed quite cute... Also watching Verlockende Falle? 21:11 -!- dreamind [dreamind@skeeter.dreamind.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:11 < tsa> <- 21:12 -!- franky_ [~senaxl@p508271A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:12 < dreamind> Hi 21:12 < _NULL_> hi dreamind , franky_ 21:12 -!- franky_ is now known as senaxl_ 21:12 < senaxl_> :) 21:12 -!- senaxl_ is now known as senaxl 21:12 < senaxl> so :) 21:13 < dreamind> Hi _NULL_ 21:13 < senaxl> Hi :) 21:14 < dreamind> .oO( *NULL; hm, what would gcc say 'bout that? ) 21:19 < _NULL_> gcc would be amused 21:19 -!- Mike-home [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:19 < Mike-home> moin all :) 21:19 < _NULL_> hi Mike-home 21:20 < Mike-home> greetings Sandra 21:20 < daja77> hey Mike-home 21:20 < Mike-home> 'lo Daniel 21:20 < daja77> nice to see you on sunday ;) 21:20 < Mike-home> so whats new around here? any entertainment? 21:20 < Mike-home> daja77 ah well i am bored as hell 21:20 < daja77> nope but you could start some 21:20 < Mike-home> so i decided to come by and give a quick visit 21:21 < daja77> this is *great* 21:21 * Mike-home smashes an apple pie against daja77's face 21:21 < Mike-home> entertainment started 21:21 < daja77> yummee applepie 21:21 < Mike-home> :)) 21:22 < _NULL_> omg 21:22 < Mike-home> daja77, _NULL_ how is weekend treating ya? 21:22 < _NULL_> might i join this fight? 21:22 < Mike-home> daja77 looks like _NULL_ wants some apple pie too, would u do the honors? 21:22 < daja77> please 21:22 * _NULL_ smashes an tomatoe against Mike-home 's head 21:22 * daja77 grabs some mud for _NULL_ 21:23 * daja77 throws mud at _NULL_ 21:23 * Mike-home kills his aunts dog and drop the blood against _NULL_ 21:23 < daja77> yeah dog blood 21:23 * _NULL_ protects herselfe against the attacks with her witcheries *vbeg* 21:24 * daja77 casts a spell against _NULL_ 21:24 < Mike-home> daja77 the animal sacrifice has been completed, and the blood is all over the virgin 21:24 < Mike-home> time to make the virgin sacrifice 21:24 < daja77> ack 21:24 * daja77 grabs knife 21:24 < Mike-home> me grabs a chicken 21:25 < _NULL_> *lol* 21:25 < daja77> eh chick, right 21:25 < gsuveg> for full install 2.5G ok for / ? 21:25 < Mike-home> gsuveg yes. 21:25 < daja77> gsuveg: don't disturb our fight *g* 21:25 < gsuveg> daja77: ? 21:25 < Mike-home> daja77 don't be so rude to the guy.. what do u have ur water pistol for? 21:25 < daja77> gsuveg: don't worry 21:25 * daja77 shoots at gsuveg 21:26 < Mike-home> gsuveg wanna join our "virtual fight"? 21:26 < gsuveg> first i was make 256 for / and more to /usr 21:26 < daja77> gsuveg: you'll need more for /opt 21:26 < Mike-home> _NULL_ don't hide coward, display your self 21:26 < gsuveg> why need more then 1GB for / ? 21:26 < daja77> gsuveg: as I told you due /opt 21:27 < _NULL_> Mike-home: ? 21:27 < daja77> /opt/gnome 21:27 < gsuveg> ah 21:27 < daja77> /opt/kde 21:27 < Mike-home> gsuveg ah well if u have /usr, /var, /home, and / in different partition then / shouldn't be so big 21:27 < gsuveg> Mike / 256M, /usr 40G 21:27 < Mike-home> gsuveg u could create a 1.5gb partition for /opt 21:27 < gsuveg> oks 21:27 < daja77> 40g for user, hell why this 21:28 < Mike-home> gsuveg of course there is the fact that i don't know how big is your hd 21:28 < Mike-home> usr - 40gb wtf 21:28 -!- franky [~senaxl@pD955A13A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:28 < daja77> gsuveg: don't waste that much space for usr 21:29 < gsuveg> daja77: i was learn, the unix use /usr to install apps 21:29 < gsuveg> usr/local fro example 21:29 < daja77> gsuveg: yeah but show me your 40g of software to install 21:29 < Mike-home> gsuveg i couln't imagine somone install that much to need 40gb in /usr 21:30 < Mike-home> geez not even i would use that much space for software on my box 21:30 < daja77> keep some more for /home to store some movies 21:30 < gsuveg> daja77: hey 21:30 < gsuveg> daja77: do you not partitionig your all hdd ? 21:30 < daja77> gsuveg: I bet that you'll never need more than 10g for /usr in the next two years 21:31 < Mike-home> daja77 talking about movies, i am looking for people interested in sharing movies to make some kind of portal for our trust circle. 21:31 < daja77> Mike-home: nice idea but you know I have only isdn 21:32 < daja77> Mike-home: but I got a dyndns record *g* 21:32 < Mike-home> daja77 we could try to have a host for it 21:32 < Mike-home> hehe 21:32 < daja77> yeah rxr was on my box, debugging a bit ;) 21:32 < gsuveg> daja77: im link /home to /usr/home 21:32 < Mike-home> anyways i think i am going to jump a bit now (motocross practice) 21:33 < gsuveg> daja77: do you dont hear abour freebsd ? 21:33 < Mike-home> so cu tomorrow 21:33 < gsuveg> Mike-home: bye 21:33 < daja77> gsuveg: I am not interested in freebsd thx 21:33 < Mike-home> _NULL_, daja77 behave your selves 21:33 < daja77> Mike-home: never :p 21:34 < Mike-home> daja77 good! 21:34 < Mike-home> :PP 21:34 < Mike-home> gute nacht alle 21:34 < Mike-home> +s 21:34 < daja77> gute nacht mike 21:34 < senaxl> nachti :) 21:34 < _NULL_> <-- is planning a trip. sorry... busy 21:34 < daja77> Mike-home: -s 21:34 < _NULL_> gn8 Mike-home 21:34 < Mike-home> exit 21:34 < Mike-home> exit 21:34 < gsuveg> install use /tmp to install apps? 21:34 < Mike-home> arrgg 21:34 -!- Mike-home [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has quit ("[BX] Nice shoes, wanna fuck?") 21:34 -!- dreamind [dreamind@skeeter.dreamind.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 21:52 < rxr> I'm currently working on a new style and creation method for the ROCK Linux page ... 21:53 < rxr> any comments about: 21:53 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/index.html 21:54 < daja77> oh you used this annoying layer again 21:54 < daja77> the rest is quite nice 21:55 < rxr> daja77: would you like the "layer" more if it would not cover content ? 21:55 < daja77> yes definitely 21:55 < daja77> brb 21:56 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M372P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:56 < tcr> rxr: with what browser did you test it? 21:56 < rxr> konqueror - and later mozilla ... 21:57 < tcr> I'm using 1.3 and the navbar, erm, behaves quite oddly! 21:57 < tcr> is it normally that it scrolls with? 21:57 < tcr> and that it overlapps with the text (about 2columns of text) 21:57 < tcr> ? 21:58 < rxr> tcr: yes - it is intended to be fixed 21:58 < tcr> Ok, I basically like the idea 21:59 < tcr> (of the shadowed boxes) 21:59 < tcr> this quirk of scrolling of the navbar is somewhat inconvenient -- sure it works with text browsers? 22:00 < rxr> no - text browser will be tested later ... 22:00 < rxr> but this is css - so someone could provide another text - print whaterver stylesheet ... 22:01 < rxr> now it doesn't overlap anymore - better? 22:01 -!- jhidalgo [~jose@196.40.45.146] has joined #rocklinux 22:02 < tcr> Hmm, I'd align the boxes on the left (currently there's quite a big gap) 22:02 < tcr> erm on the right 22:02 < tcr> sorry 22:03 * mlw is back 22:05 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M277P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:06 < rxr> tcr: maybe better now 22:07 < rxr> but I'll now first restructure all the content 22:09 < tcr> rxr: what did you change? 22:10 < daja77> re 22:11 < rxr> the right allignment ... 22:11 < daja77> rxr: better 22:12 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FE2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Lost terminal") 22:13 < tcr> rxr: Hmm? I meant the alignment of the boxed that're shadowed 22:13 * daja77 hiding until blindcoder's script has finished 22:13 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FE2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:24 < daja77> rxr: does rock really comply to fhs and lsb, I thought I found some mismatches, I could look it up this week if you like 22:28 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 22:28 < LocalHero> Hi all 22:28 < LocalHero> Wow, i bought this all new logitec keyboard to replace my old one full with coca cola. Now i have a whole bunch of buttons that doesnt even work in linux :) 22:30 < daja77> LocalHero: they are for new cola *g* 22:32 < LocalHero> daja77, ahh, sounds nice, i will try to pour something into them later :) 22:33 < LocalHero> Well, got to have some sleep, cya 22:33 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit () 22:36 < rxr> daja77: yes - sure would be nice if this would be verified after all the restructuring 22:42 < daja77> rxr: ok will dig through this 22:51 < daja77> WEEEEEEEEE, coreutils built, stage 2 reached 22:51 * daja77 happy 22:52 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813C8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 22:54 < rxr> daja77: you updated autoconf I guess ? 22:54 < rxr> most of the drock page is converted now: 22:54 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/ 22:54 < daja77> yes + automake + texinfo to be sure 22:54 < rxr> more comments ? 22:55 < rxr> (and yes I know that the screenshot page is currently quite puzzled ...) 22:56 < daja77> hehe esden has a natalie protman background ;) 22:58 < daja77> the download link is strange 22:59 < rxr> daja77: ah yes - they are not yet fully adapted/converted ... 23:00 < daja77> ;) 23:00 < rxr> better ? 23:01 < daja77> yeah better, even if this is not really the download page 23:01 < rxr> jups - still emacs-inf ... 23:03 < daja77> how many packages broke in your last build? 23:03 < rxr> erhm ... 23:03 < rxr> dum di du di dum di du 23:03 < daja77> ashamed? 23:04 < rxr> the latest checkins broke quite much in kasc and nikolaus rep 23:04 < rxr> so the number got up to over 100 23:05 -!- jhidalgo [~jose@196.40.45.146] has quit () 23:05 < daja77> mhmm doesn't bother me much, don't need the games 23:05 < rxr> we got it down to under 60 now I think 23:05 < rxr> 98% of the serious packages should be ok 23:06 < daja77> hehe 23:06 < rxr> or even more ... 23:09 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html 23:09 < daja77> damn it seems I have to do a svn up once more 23:12 < daja77> ui stage 3 23:15 * daja77 votes for removing the title dipl-inf from people using outlook 23:15 < daja77> perl5 still fails? 23:17 -!- Lorini_ [~andrea@pD9506BE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux 23:17 -!- Lorini_ [~andrea@pD9506BE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 23:22 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A488.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:28 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090BB49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:32 < daja77> wb kasc 23:45 < daja77> *yawn* I'll go now, stage 5 reached btw ;) --- Log closed Mon May 05 00:00:44 2003