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00:01 < rxr> daja77: perl5 should not fail (IIRC)
00:01 < daja77> it did...
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00:05 < daja77> rxr: the build itself was fine, but problems with postinstall hook
00:05 < daja77> anyway have to go to bed now, cu
00:13 < rxr> cu daja77
00:22 < mlw> cu daja77
00:37 < esden> hi all
00:38 < tsa> hm..
00:38 < tsa> [mlw] (~root@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl)
00:38 < tsa> i hope you're not really using root..
00:41 < mlw> tsa : live dangerous.
00:41 < _NULL_> gn7
00:42 < _NULL_> aeh. gn0 i mean
00:42 < _NULL_> *AAAAAAAAAARGH* gn8
00:43 < esden> lool ... good night _NULL_ 
00:43 < esden> tsa: do you know/have nice exploits for that? :->
00:43 < tsa> esden: hehe
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00:44 < tsa> hm....
00:44 < esden> hmpf
00:44 * tsa giggles
00:44 < esden> tsa: we scared him/her out ...
00:44 < tsa> seems so..
00:48 < esden> does anyone of you have vmware running on rocklinux?
00:50 < tsa> not currently..
00:51 < esden> hmpf ... I installed it but it says that it is not propperly configured even though I have run vmware-config.pl
00:51 < esden> and when I want to rerun it it hangs
00:51 < esden> without giving any output
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00:52 < esden> hi ringo 
00:52 < ringo> hi esden now I am not r00t user ...
00:53 < esden> good ;-)
00:53 < esden> well done
00:57 < ringo> thx
01:00 < rxr> hi esden tsa ;-)
01:00 < tsa> hi rxr
01:00 < rxr> what do you both think abou my just halfly done reconstruction at:
01:00 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/
01:01 < esden> hi rxr 
01:01 < rxr> esden: I used vmware (latest beta) with 2.4.20 - but it does not work with my current 2.4.21-rc1 kernel
01:02 < esden> humm ... ok ... I have a full 3.2.0 version here ...
01:02 < esden> I will test the beta
01:03 < rxr> esden: cliff has some rolling rock article about vmware ...
01:03 < rxr> and make sure teh device node is created the vmware stuff doesn't seem to be devfs aware ...
01:03 < esden> ack
01:04 < tsa> rxr: your screenshots suck, but the site looks ok....did i ever mention i don't like KDE? ;-))
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01:05 < rxr> tsa: yes - the screenshot page is slightly puzzled - I'm currently still soring the content ...
01:06 < rxr> tsa: ACK - but I think KDE is the DE with the cleanest code, best structured, ...
01:06 < esden> tsa: do not say anything against my dualhead screenshot! >_<
01:06 < esden> it is not KDE
01:07 < tsa> rxr: i've heard lots of bad things about KDE coding style, but never had a look myself.
01:07 < tsa> i've had a look at gnome sources, though.
01:07 < tsa> awful.
01:08 < tsa> (and gnome 2.x is too much eye-candy for me)
01:08 < rxr> jups - kde is magnitudes cleaner coded
01:09 < rxr> (and I used Gtk-- for GSMP myself - but we throw this away in favour of EVAS)
01:09 < tsa> i'm using gnome 1.4 here - basically only the panel and galeon..
01:10 < tsa> ctwm at work.
01:10 < esden> rxr: hehe
01:10 < esden> rxr: but why not ewl?
01:11 < tsa> what's ewl?
01:11 < rxr> esden: it does not fit our needs ...
01:11 < esden> tsa: widget set based on evas, ecore and the other libs from e17
01:11 < tsa> hm........
01:11 < tsa> ......
01:12 < esden> ?
01:12 < esden> lots of dots ... hmm
01:17 < Lorini> hi all
01:17 < Lorini> and re
01:17 < tsa> hi Lorini
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01:23 < ringo> n8 all
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01:41 < esden> good night everyone
01:43 < ringo78> n8 esden
01:44 < tsa> cu esden
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02:21 < rxr> erhm - I'm getting crazy !!!
02:22 < rxr> some recent change merged from cliff broke the whole treee
02:22 < rxr> how should I get a -beta out with another broken thing slipping into the tree each day ?!?
02:23 * rxr reverting the lateast pkg_* fluff
02:29 < rxr> Committed revision 113.
02:35 < tsa> n8
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02:53 < rxr> 02:57:05 up 1 day,  2:34,  2 users,  load average: 2.93, 2.44, 1.84
02:54 < rxr> Linux version 2.5.68 (root@jackson) (gcc version 3.2.2) #2 Sun May 4 00:20:13 CEST 2003
02:54 < rxr> I guess it would die sooner -but not a single prob so far :-( and much smoother than 2.4.21-rc1 ...
02:54 < rxr> n8 cu
02:57 < george> hi there.
02:58 < george> rxr: did you had the time to look into svn auth management?
03:00 < rxr> george: jups - need to be done via pre-commit hooks
03:00 < rxr> I'll do this soon
03:01 < rxr> Linus Torvalds <to Linux 2.5.69
03:02 < rxr> NOTE! As of this release I think I'll want to have patches either be
03:02 < rxr> _really_ obvious, or they should go through one of more people for
03:02 < rxr> approval. In particular, I'm hoping that the paperwork stuff with Andrew
03:02 < rxr> should be getting closer to finalized, and that we could start moving over
03:02 < rxr> towards a 2.6.x release schedule..
03:02 < rxr> Linus
03:02 < george> rxr: I stumbled across some scripts in the source tar, that are not installed,
03:02 < george> namely subversion/tools/hook-scripts/commit-access-control*
03:03 < rxr> jups - they have some templates / examples in the tar-ball
03:04 < george> perhaps with a new homepage we could also have a patches database?
03:04 < rxr> ok - cu today (after some sleep)
03:04 < george> do so
03:04 < rxr> cu
03:04 < rxr> n8
03:05 < george> I'll donna align my damned laser, no sleep in sight...
03:05 < george> cu
03:05 < george> n8
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06:50 < blindcoder> moin
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06:59 < Brainbeer> anyone here?
07:00 < blindcoder> wore or less
07:00 < Brainbeer> ok..got a question about rock linux
07:01 < Brainbeer> is it better to download an iso or build from source?
07:01 < Brainbeer> btw Im new to source based distros
07:01 < blindcoder> if you do't have a running ROCK Linux and/or a slow machine, get an iso
07:02 < Brainbeer> ok, im getting rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.6.0pre3.iso
07:02 < Brainbeer> is that a good one to get?
07:03 < blindcoder> don't use 1.6.0 it's deprecated.
07:03 < Brainbeer> so which do i use?
07:03 < blindcoder> Use a 1.7 ISO if available or wait a ffew weeks until 2.0 is released
07:04 < blindcoder> 1.6 is missing a lot of things that are in 2.0 (stability, for one)
07:04 < Brainbeer> it says on the sit 1.7 is unstable
07:04 < blindcoder> it's called "unstable" but de facto it is more stable than the 1.6 branch ATM
07:04 < Brainbeer> ok, ill get that one then
07:06 < Brainbeer> im not able to get it
07:06 < blindcoder> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/2.0-00-Technology-Preview2/
07:06 < blindcoder> there it is
07:07 < blindcoder> dunno why it hasn't been uploaded to iso.rocklinux.de
07:07 < Brainbeer> cool..ty
07:07 < blindcoder> np
07:08 < Brainbeer> should i get the 2.0 or the 1.7?
07:08 < Brainbeer> im used to mandrake so im still unsure about some tings
07:10 < blindcoder> 1.7 will become 2.0 once stable
07:10 < blindcoder> should be within a few weeks
07:10 < Brainbeer> ok
07:10 < Brainbeer> so go with 1.7 for now?
07:10 < blindcoder> actually was scheduled for release last month, but got delayed (of course :) by some packages
07:10 < blindcoder> yes
07:11 < Brainbeer> ok..im getting both cds now...
07:11 < Brainbeer> are there any docs on the site?
07:11 < Brainbeer> on installation or configuration?
07:11 < blindcoder> mom
07:12 < Brainbeer> nevermind
07:12 < Brainbeer> i didnt look good enough the first time
07:12 < blindcoder> okay :)
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08:42 < rxr> blindcoder: NO!
08:42 < rxr> which ISO do you download ?
08:42 < rxr> the 1.7-19c3 are outdated
08:42 < rxr> the 2.0.0-alpha is _oviously_ the latestst !!!
08:43 < blindcoder> that was the 2.0.0
08:43 < blindcoder> the one I linked
08:43 < blindcoder> TP2 aka Night Vision
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08:46 < rxr> erh - a yes (I have not scrolled back enought)
08:47 < rxr> there was a -beta after this ...
08:47 < rxr> :-(
08:47 < blindcoder> no problem :)
08:49 < rxr> yeah - but the beta is much smoother to install and has many bug-fixes
08:49 < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I didn't read it on the list...
08:50 < blindcoder> or just forgot it >_<
09:02 < daja77> re
09:08 < netrunner> moin
09:10 < daja77> moin netrunner
09:13 * daja77 goin to work cu
09:13 < netrunner> cu daja
09:29 < _NULL_> morning
09:31 < blindcoder> moin nully
09:32 < netrunner> wonderful. now build failed because of no space left. I seem to try every possible error ;)
09:32 < _NULL_> *lol* poor netrunner
09:33 < blindcoder> netrunner: then please report the bug. maybe someone is able to fix it by sending you a 80GB hard disk :D
09:33 < netrunner> is there a script that removes old versions in download/ ?
09:33 < esden> morning
09:34 < blindcoder> ./scripts-Domnload -list-missing | tr ' ' '^I' | cut -f3 | xargs rm -rf
09:34 < netrunner> hi esden, get up to mrs steger! ;)
09:34 < blindcoder> moin esden
09:34 < netrunner> thx blind
09:34 < blindcoder> netrunner: replace ^I by a tab (^V<tab>)
09:34 < esden> netrunner: >_<
09:35 < _NULL_> hi esden
09:35 < esden> I am in some minutes on my way to her .... with a big fat book ... MUAHAHAHA
09:35 < blindcoder> esden: to smash it on her head? :D
09:35 < esden> blindcoder: ack
09:36 < _NULL_> esden: whois mrs steger?
09:36 < esden> my DS2 professor
09:37 < _NULL_> DS2?
09:38 < netrunner> null: discrete structures.
09:38 < blindcoder> esden: you still haven't given up on studying? :D
09:38 < netrunner> null: about gambling an catching trains ;)
09:39 < _NULL_> *lol*
09:39 < blindcoder> esden: btw.: Online Banking is fully functional atm :D
09:40 < esden> blindcoder: :P ... but I still have only 8 eur on my bank account
09:41 < blindcoder> esden: hmm... okay >_<
09:42 < esden> how high is the probability that owl will get train today ...
09:42 < esden> that is something what mrs steger could answer ...
09:42 < blindcoder> he, even _I_ can answer ths
09:43 < esden> and?
09:43 < blindcoder> hell, everyone who had to go by Deutsche Bahn for 2 months could answer this
09:43 < esden> hehe
09:43 < _NULL_> esden: it's very, very bad... because i already missed two trains today... and the 3rd will fail - for sure. or will be delayed for hours
09:43 < _NULL_> blindcoder: ack
09:44 < esden> ok ... I am off you train junkies ;-)
09:44 < _NULL_> have fun, esden :p cya
09:44 < blindcoder> bye esdi
09:51 < netrunner> ok, I guess I'll give him company :) bye
09:52 < _NULL_> have fun, too, netrunner - bye
09:57 < blindcoder> okay just reached EOF (End of Fruehstueck [breakfast])
09:58 < _NULL_> tststs
09:58 < fake> mornin
09:59 < _NULL_> hi fake
09:59 < blindcoder> moin fake
09:59 < blindcoder> *MUAHAHAHA*
09:59 < blindcoder> http://bash.org/?370
10:00 < _NULL_> .oO(why did i expect a bash.org url from blindcoder ? )
10:01 < fake> blindcoder : *rofl* good one
10:01 < fake> i am with stupid
10:01 < blindcoder> _NULL_: beats me :)
10:02 < fake> uh, havin' a cigarette
10:03 < fake> SMP: you here?
10:17 < Lorini> moin moin
10:23 < rxr> moin Lorini
10:25 < _NULL_> hi rxr
10:28 < blindcoder> moin Lori
10:28 < blindcoder> damn... I h8 stupid customers >_<
10:30 < Lorini> moin rxr, blindcoder
10:48 < fake> hi Lorini, rxr
11:00 < Lorini> great. i just threw a bottle of milk over my desk..
11:02 < blindcoder> http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-999509.html <-- sorry, but that's just sic
11:02 < blindcoder> k
11:03 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off to lunch now. bbl
11:21 < blindcoder> back
11:47 < daja77> re
11:48 < Lorini> re
11:49 < daja77> hi Lorini
11:50 < daja77> my machine at home hung up connection >_<
12:00 < _NULL_> <-- going to die (aka: office meeting) bbl (or maybe not)
12:24 < daja77> *lool*  Montag, 5. Mai: SuSE@GIGA HELP
12:24 < blindcoder> daja77: that fits together :D
12:24 < daja77> ack
12:25 * daja77 just found out that he is still subscribed to suse announce list >_<
12:25 < blindcoder> hehe
12:25 < blindcoder> I ocassionally read suse-user :)
12:26 * daja77 gets suse-security
12:26 < daja77> blindcoder: why, for fun?
12:26 < blindcoder> daja77: yes. Nothing like a good flame-war reading every now and then
12:27 < daja77> ack that's why I sometimes read de.comp.security.firewall
12:28 < daja77> full of zonealarm and norton idiots
12:28 < blindcoder> hmm... would have to install a newsreader for that :D
12:28 < daja77> get slrn, it's cool, or use google
12:29 < daja77> Live im GIGA HELP-Studio: SuSE-Supporter
12:29 < daja77> Hendrik Vogelsang.
12:29 < blindcoder> I've heard that name before
12:30 < daja77> yeah I just can't remember a face
12:30 * daja77 would like to see lmb there *har har*
12:50 * daja77 decided to buy a mp3 player only if it has ogg support
12:50 < blindcoder> that would make it an ogg player, wouldn't it?
12:51 < daja77> *rotfl* there is a tag to crash ie
12:51 < daja77> blindcoder: there is at least one player which can do both
12:51 < blindcoder> yeah
12:51 < blindcoder> daja77: sweet. link?
12:51 < daja77> it's heise, anyway?
12:52 < daja77> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/wst-03.05.03-001/
12:53 < blindcoder> I meant the player :)
12:53 < daja77> hehe ok *searching*
12:55 < daja77> http://www.neurosaudio.com/
12:57 < _NULL_> re
12:58 < _NULL_> <-- not dead ;p
12:59 < daja77> blindcoder: what do you think?
13:00 < blindcoder> daja77: I might buy it in spring if the VaporWare turns into SoftWare
13:00 < blindcoder> wb _NULL_
13:00 < daja77> blindcoder: ack
13:01 < daja77> the funny thing is that that other vendors promised ogg support right after their announcement *g*
13:01 < blindcoder> muahaha
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13:34 < esden> re hi all
13:34 < _NULL_> re esden
13:34 < daja77> hi esden
13:34 < blindcoder> wb esden
13:35 < esden> puhh ... it was not a car I drive in, it was a oven
13:35 < blindcoder> muahaha
13:35 < esden> at least it is not yet hot in my cell ;-)
13:35 < esden> blindcoder: you have klima in your car so shut up
13:36 * daja77 has klima at work
13:36 < esden> my uni is also beeing klimatized or how it is spelled
13:36 < daja77> air conditioned
13:36 < esden> ahh yes
13:37 * -> esden getting of his shoues so get some gas masks guys
13:37 * daja77 grabs a gasmask
13:37 * blindcoder closes his windews at the other end of the city esden currently is in
13:38 < daja77> damn kernel compiles takes that long
13:38 < esden> blindcoder: hmm ... the people on the street are all falling to earth ... strange ...
13:38 < _NULL_> <-- meeting
13:39 < daja77> _NULL_: again?
13:39 < blindcoder> esden: MUAHAHAHA
13:39 < esden> daja77: _NULL_ is an importaint person ...
13:39 < daja77> ahh yess, good to know
13:44 < esden> hmm ... I really do not know what to say to the redesign topic ...
13:44 < esden> I think I simply wait till it is done ... ;-)
13:44 * netrunner is in class without shoes ... and lots of space to left and right *gg*
13:44 < esden> and shut up
13:44 < esden> netrunner: tztztz
13:45 < esden> netrunner: so that was that strange smell in the uni ;-)
13:45 < netrunner> esden: .. and the reason why you skipped bs, hey? ;)
13:46 * netrunner -> home, prof feels sick ;)
13:46 < esden> I was there ... but I left because someone called me and I thought that it was importaint ... and as I already left I went home
13:46 < esden> netrunner: lool
13:47 < esden> netrunner: and I heared this bm menagment stuff already last year ...
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13:50 < esden> hmm ... interesting ... I have mp3's I was not aware of ... nice
13:50 < daja77> esden: tell me more
13:50 < blindcoder> dammit... he noticed the FTP-loopback-connection :P
13:51 < esden> DJ Arne L II - Grave Diggers have more fun
13:51 < esden> it is techno
13:51 < esden> groove trance I would say
13:51 < daja77> oh no
13:51 < esden> daja77: :P
13:52 < esden> daja77: if you come to RLDM you will hear enough techno ... ;-)
13:52 < esden> clifford likes it too ;-)
13:52 * daja77 thinks over it...
13:53 < esden> daja77: belive me you will survive that
13:53 < esden> daja77: and there are other things that make much more fun ... like discussing rock issues
13:54 < daja77> hehe ok
13:55 < daja77> you mean talking about that broken tree...
13:56 < esden> o_O
13:56 < daja77> aka rock linux
13:57 < esden> :P
13:57 < esden> why broken?
13:57 < daja77> do I really have to explain
13:58 < esden> yes it seems so
13:58 < daja77> WEEEE kernel package builds with modified rtai patch
13:58 < esden> daja77: congrats
13:59 < daja77> thx
14:00 < esden> outside of rock on inside?
14:00 < daja77> ??
14:00 < esden> you compiled with ./scripts/Build-Pkg or make bzImage?
14:01 < daja77> ./scripts/Build-Pkg
14:01 < esden> ahh good
14:01 * -> esden updating his tree
14:01 < daja77> ahem i haven't committed anything
14:01 < esden> yes I know ;-)
14:02 < esden> when will you commit?
14:02 < daja77> hmm dunno, working on rtai package right now
14:05 < daja77> rtai package still breaks >_<
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14:08 < rxr> an reburning the yet to be released -beta the 12th time ..
14:08 < daja77> hi rxr
14:10 < esden> hi rxr 
14:10 < esden> rxr: cdrw?
14:10 < rxr> this -beta thing gets me crazy ... I never needed soo many test-circles to produce an working ISO :-(
14:10 < rxr> esden: sure !
14:10 < esden> rxr: somehow I can not burn cdrw >_<
14:10 < esden> they are empty after the burn
14:10 < rxr> i would use vmware - but it is broken here again ...
14:11 < rxr> esden: I have other problems - sometimes the cdrw can not be blanked again ...
14:11 < rxr> (no not a high-speed issue)
14:11 < esden> hmm ...
14:11 < esden> ok ... I take a shower
14:11 < rxr> but this only seems to happen with expensive quality media
14:11 < rxr> I only buy the cheapest now - and they all worked ...
14:12 < rxr> cu esden
14:12 < daja77> hehe
14:12 < esden> rxr: I bought the cheepest cdrw's I could find and they are not working too
14:12 < esden> realy strange ...
14:12 < rxr> I never had problems - expect this orange forum embargo media is not correctly recognized thing :-(
14:13 < kasc> moin
14:13 < daja77> hi kasc
14:13 < kasc> *tropf*
14:13 < kasc> hi daja77
14:13 * daja77 getting a drink
14:13 < kasc> kann mal einer die Sonne ausschalten? nur für'n Stündchen oder so...
14:14 < daja77> no our sun doesn't provide such a feature
14:14 * daja77 read in Starship Titanic about a sun with an off switch
14:15 < rxr> ENOFILE /dev/sun ?
14:16 * daja77 has same noisy people in his lab now >_<
14:17 < daja77> *lol* one guy has a pippi langstrumpf mobile ring tune
14:18 < esden> re
14:18 < daja77> wb esden
14:18 * -> esden reaches a role of gaffatape over to daja77 
14:19 < daja77> esden: why?
14:19 < daja77> ah to keep them shut, nice
14:19 < esden> kasc: sorry ... I am not able to that ... I have not yet hacked into the world controle mainframe
14:23 < esden> *cry* nooo gcc got updated 
14:23 < esden> please tell me that it is not true *cry*
14:25 < blindcoder> esden: it's not true
14:26 < blindcoder> daja77: I don't know what's worse. The fact that he has such a tone, or the fact that you recognised it :D
14:28 < esden> blindcoder: thanks
14:31 < daja77> esden: now you know what I mean, hehe
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14:31 < daja77> blindcoder: I only know it by accident
14:32 < blindcoder> daja77: okay, I rest my casle :)
14:33 < blindcoder> s/l//g
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14:35 * daja77 digging through ERR-LOG
14:38 < rxr> so this seems to be -beta (final)
14:39 < daja77> rxr: so I might check out your tree here and merging my stuff into it, if I found the errors
14:40 < esden> the only intelligent use of the html <BLINK> tag: Schroedingers cat is <BLINK>NOT</BLINK> dead.
14:40 < _NULL_> wtf do you have with schroedinger?
14:41 < daja77> esden: lol
14:41 < esden> _NULL_: he rulez!
14:41 < _NULL_> esden: ah. k.
14:41 * -> esden editing his .signature
14:42 < blindcoder> _NULL_: he ha[sd] a cute cat
14:42 < esden> hmm this saturday is rootboard ...
14:43 < esden> blindcoder: you should write: he ha[sd] a cute pussy
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14:44 < blindcoder> esden: hehe
14:44 < daja77> wb Lorini
14:45 < _NULL_> blindcoder: k.
14:45 * daja77 throws the spider he just found at _NULL_ 
14:45 < _NULL_> daja77: *kick*
14:45 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M340P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
14:45 < _NULL_> hi n00kie_
14:46 < daja77> _NULL_: don't like spiders
14:46 < n00kie_> Hi _NULL_
14:46 < daja77> hey n00kie_
14:46 < n00kie_> holla daja77
14:47 * daja77 had a plastic spider at school for the girls he disliked
14:48 * netrunner distributed homebrew nude-pics of the girls he disliked ;)
14:48 < daja77> netrunner: url?
14:49 < esden> netrunner: url?
14:49 < netrunner> daja: to long ago, they're all gone in one of my hd crashes
14:49 < esden> netrunner: you suck ;-)
14:49 * blindcoder teaches netrunner the meaning of "backups" with a kluestik
14:49 < esden> blindcoder: it is called lart ;-)
14:50 < netrunner> I still suspect rock to have broken my last hd
14:50 < blindcoder> esden: both are appropriate terms. Although Big Foam Kluestik sounds better and is also understandable for non-geeks (no offense intended :D)
14:50 < esden> netrunner: the reason always sits in front of the computer ;-)
14:51 < netrunner> esden: pebkac
14:51 < netrunner> daja: but if you're in need of nude pics ... I have like a ton of moving pics here :)
14:52 < esden> netrunner: he wants preteen ;-)
14:52 < daja77> netrunner: I was only interested which girls you don't liked, you know *g*
14:53 < daja77> esden: yeah I like unborn...
14:53 * n00kie_ doesn't likes FDisk.
14:53 < daja77> bash sucks
14:54 < n00kie_> Fdisk sucks
14:54 < n00kie_> damn program
14:54 < daja77> n00kie_: fdisk rules
14:54 < blindcoder> cfdisk
14:54 < n00kie_> fdisk cfdisk flamewar
14:54 < n00kie_> i like cfdisk
14:54 < daja77> blindcoder: wimp
14:54 < n00kie_> well
14:54 < blindcoder> daja77: a wimp that hasn't lost any partitions and data yet :P
14:55 < n00kie_> well daja77
14:55 * daja77 neither without cfdisk
14:55 < n00kie_> Can you tell me, how I can create a partition on "partition0" ?
14:55 < daja77> O_o
14:55 < n00kie_> when i type in
14:55 < n00kie_> "reinit"
14:55 < n00kie_> it creates the partition on 3
14:56 < daja77> reinit which fdisk you are talking about
14:56 * netrunner switches to summer mode: room aircon, vents, closedndarked windows
14:56 < n00kie_> Ah :)
14:56 < n00kie_> I have it
14:56 < n00kie_> wow
14:56 < n00kie_> I'm god :)
14:56 < daja77> muhahahahaha
14:57 * blindcoder starts Ragnaroek and kills n00kie_ 
14:57 < n00kie_> well, i like cfdisk more than fdisk
14:57 * -> esden needs air conditioning for his cell
15:00 * blindcoder going home. baba
15:00 < n00kie_> Bye blindcoder
15:00 < daja77> bye blindcoder
15:01 < n00kie_> daja77: Can you tell me, how I can change the "disklabel" of my hdd ?
15:01 < rxr> hm - strange that my 2.5 box is still online:
15:01 < rxr>  15:04:29 up 1 day, 14:41,  2 users,  load average: 2.76, 1.39, 0.70
15:01 < daja77> disklabel, bsd?
15:01 < n00kie_> yes
15:01 < n00kie_> i wanna try
15:02 < daja77> which bsd?
15:02 < n00kie_> openbsd3.3
15:02 < n00kie_> i thought this is a question to fdisk
15:02 < daja77> hmm I did it once, but can't remember
15:02 < n00kie_> oh :(
15:03 < n00kie_> The guys in #openbsd are much bad
15:03 < daja77> i just don't get these bash errors
15:04 < n00kie_> Hmm
15:04 < daja77> n00kie_: lol
15:04 < daja77> n00kie_: is theo there?
15:05 < n00kie_> i dont know
15:05 < n00kie_> openbsd is bad
15:05 < n00kie_> everything from openbsd is bad
15:05 < n00kie_> i hate openbsd
15:05 < daja77> n00kie_: you know why openbsd exists
15:05 < n00kie_> To use damn fdisk
15:05 < n00kie_> :)
15:06 < n00kie_> well
15:06 < n00kie_> I will create the partitions under cfdisk
15:07 < daja77> bah reading lots of hot air in subversion book
15:09 < esden> ok ... I am off 
15:09 < n00kie_> daja77 Why didn't you like cfdisk?
15:09 < n00kie_> Bye esden  :)
15:09 < daja77> bye esden
15:09 < esden> buying cards for Matrix Reloaded and then swimming ;-)
15:09 < n00kie_> hi jtburn
15:10 < daja77> n00kie_: it has an awful user interface
15:10 < n00kie_> bah ;)
15:10 < n00kie_> zbut, other users, other "geschmaecker" ;)
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15:17 < Mike1> hi n00kie
15:17 < Mike1> moin all.
15:18 < daja77> moin Mike1
15:18 < Mike1> hi daja77
15:23 < n00kie> Holla Mike1 :)
15:23 < Mike1> n00kie: _HOLA_ :)
15:23 < daja77> *rofl*
15:24 < Mike1> daja77: de que te ries tu? :P
15:25 < daja77> Mike1: I am wondering almost two weeks how long it takes until one of the spanish people correct n00kie
15:25 < Mike1> daja77: well here i am :)
15:26 < n00kie> Hola Mike1 :)
15:30 < rolla> re
15:30 < daja77> hi rolla
15:30 < Mike1> n00kie: see it wasn't very hard to say 'hola' :)
15:30 < Mike1> moin rolla
15:34 < n00kie> well, hard enough for me Mike1 :)
15:34 < Mike1> n00kie: hehe, but the good thing is that you learned
15:34 < Mike1> n00kie: no you have to pronounce my last name :))
15:35 < Mike1> Bolanos ---> there is a ~ over the n btw :))
15:35 < jtburn_> Mike1: spelling? no problem :)
15:35 < n00kie> I think it gets speaked "bolan[i]os"?
15:35 < n00kie> s/speaked/spoke
15:36 < Mike1> more or less
15:36 < Mike1> jtburn_: locales problem :)
15:36 < jtburn_> :)
15:37 < n00kie> Bolaños
15:37 < n00kie> :)
15:37 < Mike1> ack :)
15:37 < n00kie> Heh Mike1
15:38 < jtburn_> greetz to ascii *g*
15:38 < daja77> Mike1: the n drops out?
15:38 < Mike1> ack
15:38 < daja77> strange
15:38 < n00kie> How do you speak Bolaños, Mike1?
15:38 < Mike1> btw /me hates this long god damns spanish names
15:39 < n00kie> I would like have a name like Bolaños
15:39 < n00kie> I hate "daniel"
15:39 < Mike1> n00kie: why so?
15:39 < daja77> n00kie: thx
15:39 < Mike1> hahahahahahaha
15:40 < Mike1> n00kie: du hasse daja77?
15:40 < n00kie> daja77: No, your daniel is beautifuller than my daniel :)
15:40 < n00kie> Mike1: Nein, ich mag daja77 sehr gerne.
15:40 < daja77> n00kie: slimer :p
15:40 < n00kie> well, its not sliming
15:40 < n00kie> Just a real word
15:41 < n00kie> I like much people in here :)
15:41 * daja77 feels honored
15:41 < Mike1> n00kie: do you like daja77?
15:41 < n00kie> yes Mike1
15:41 < jtburn_> n00kie: are u in love ?
15:41 < n00kie> No.
15:41 < daja77> *argh* sun shines on my monitor
15:41 < n00kie> like != love
15:42 < jtburn_> I know, It only was a question
15:42 * Mike1 is in love.... to his GF of course :)
15:43 < daja77> jtburn_: like != love
15:43 < n00kie> gf ? geforce? ;)
15:43 < daja77> yeah
15:43 < Mike1> Girl friend :)
15:43 < n00kie> i know ;)
15:43 * jtburn_ eat his apple, and is look and learning to this chan :)
15:44 < daja77> jtburn_: pay us
15:44 < n00kie> Mike1: Yeaah, I love my computer too :)
15:44 < jtburn_> how ? 0190 666 666 ???
15:44 < daja77> hehe sure
15:45 < Mike1> n00kie: belive it or not, i have a real gf... quite a great think for a geek... :)
15:46 < n00kie> yep, I'll believe you :)
15:46 < Mike1> jtburn_: what do you want to learn about?
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15:46 < Mike1> n00kie: good.
15:46 < jtburn_> Mike1: speaking english
15:46 < Mike1> jtburn_: ah sounds good :)
15:46 < jtburn_> :)
15:47 < n00kie> come on 10th may to #rocklinux-talk, jtburn_
15:47 < Mike1> jtburn_: you will learn good linux stuff here too, this guys are damn good.
15:47 < n00kie> There is a german chat :)
15:47 < Mike1> jtburn_: newbies like me learn a lot here.
15:47 < n00kie> yep, and me is the newbie out of us :(
15:47 < n00kie> s/me is/I am
15:48 < Mike1> n00kie: i am truely a newbie, ask daja77 if you don't belive me.
15:48 < daja77> lol
15:51 < jtburn_> Before you are going to Battle each other: I'm the newbiest men on chan
15:51 < daja77> battle, where?
15:51 < n00kie> No, I
15:51 < n00kie> s/battle/flamewar
15:51 < daja77> anyone wann fight me *har har*
15:52 < jtburn_> daja77: I want to fight... in a verbal way :)
15:53 < jtburn_> only :)
15:53 < n00kie> You can get SARS is you only touch something which is "infected" by sars
15:54 < jtburn_> sorry I'm stupid :(
15:55 < n00kie> no
15:55 < n00kie> you're not
15:55 < n00kie> nobody is stupid
15:55 < n00kie> not in here
15:55 < jtburn_> :)
15:58 * Mike1 -=[ ROCK Linux Spanish Chat - June 9th @ #rocklinux-talk, mail mike@rocklinux.org if you have questions about the event ]=-
15:58 < rolla> ah
15:59 < rolla> all spainish ;)
15:59 < Mike1> ack :)
15:59 < rolla> futebol
15:59 < Mike1> rolla: its your chance to improve it.
15:59 < rolla> ha ha
15:59 < Mike1> (futbol)
15:59 < rolla> I don't speak or read a lick of it
15:59 < n00kie> well
15:59 < n00kie> I can talk to evreyone
15:59 < n00kie> "Hola"
15:59 < n00kie> :)
15:59 < daja77> new luser added at work
15:59 < n00kie> I'm good in spanish
16:00 < n00kie> Hola
16:00 * Mike1 imagines n00kie greeting everyone again, and again, again :))
16:00 < rolla> como
16:01 < n00kie> Bien, cómo  usted tienen gusto de mi español, Mike1? Está como
16:01 < n00kie> bueno, como el tuyo, o mucho malo? Dígame:)
16:02 < n00kie> Mike1: Then everyone thinks "Ahh, n00kie is the greet bot" ;)
16:02 < rolla> ö
16:02 < Mike1> n00kie: i think your translator sucks a bit :)
16:03 < n00kie> It was a try worth :)
16:03 < Mike1> n00kie: but if you are willing to learn, i could teach you some
16:04 * daja77 admits not to speak spanish without hiding behind babelfish
16:04 < n00kie> yes, please Mike1!
16:05 < n00kie> I wanna learn spanish :)
16:06 < Mike1> Quiero aprender espa(n+~)ol
16:06 < Mike1> :)
16:06 < Mike1> damn locales.
16:06 < n00kie> do you use english/german (;)) locales?
16:06 < Mike1> english..
16:06 < Mike1> n00kie: this box is temporary running rh..
16:07 < daja77> this one too
16:07 < n00kie> "I want to learn spanish"
16:07 < n00kie> :)
16:07 < Mike1> i need a rock iso to use on my workstation so badly
16:07 < Mike1> n00kie: "Yo quiero aprender espanol"
16:08 < n00kie> Es duro aprender español?
16:08 < Mike1> n00kie: s/duro/dificil
16:08 < jtburn_> oh a lot of spanish people here, kewl :)
16:08 < Mike1> n00kie: not that hard (no tan dificil)
16:08 < n00kie> Es dificil aprender español?
16:08 < daja77> jtburn_: at the moment only one...
16:08 < Mike1> jtburn_: sure :)
16:08 < n00kie> dificil == dificult ?
16:08 < Mike1> n00kie: ack
16:09 < n00kie> Well, do you wanna learn german, Mike1?
16:09 < Mike1> ja.
16:09 < jtburn_> I think spai is a kewl but a hot country (I hope you understand what I mean)
16:09 < jtburn_> +n
16:09 < Mike1> jtburn_: sure i do.
16:09 < jtburn_> :)
16:09 < daja77> jtburn_: Mike1 is not in spain :P
16:10 < Mike1> *g
16:10 < jtburn_> where then ?
16:10 < n00kie> Soy n00kie que tengo gusto del linux tengo gusto de deportes tengo
16:10 < n00kie> gusto de español
16:10 < Mike1> iceland
16:10 < daja77> yeah ;)
16:10 < n00kie> he is escimo
16:10 < daja77> n00kie: inuit :p
16:10 < jtburn_> ohhhhhhh cool.... very coool :)
16:10 < jtburn_> HeHe
16:10 < Mike1> jtburn_: jk I am in Costa Rica
16:10 < Mike1> :)
16:10 < daja77> jtburn_: /whois Mike1 ;)
16:11 < Mike1> daja77: well you should not trust whois
16:11 < daja77> Mike1: ack, but in this case
16:11 < n00kie> i always thought "cr" means croatia
16:12 < daja77> hehe
16:12 < n00kie> could be
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16:12 < Mike2> in what case daja77 ?
16:12 < jtburn_> ok, there's optimal cooling for your cpu in a Icehole :)
16:12 < n00kie> IP index, 66.136.183.233 :)
16:13 < Mike2> i could be everywhere :)
16:13 -!- Mike2 [mike@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit (Client Quit)
16:13 < jtburn_> iglu i mean
16:14 < daja77> lol
16:14 < daja77> n00kie: croatia is hr
16:14 < daja77> Mike1: using rolla's account?
16:15 < Mike1> lol
16:15 < Mike1> something like that yeah
16:15 < n00kie> daja77: hr could be hungary ;)
16:16 < Mike1> daja77: though i have access to several hosts all over the world
16:16 < n00kie> but hungary is hu
16:16 < daja77> yes
16:16 < Mike1> nk could be n00kie
16:16 < daja77> n00kie: http://www.december.com/html/spec/domcodes.html
16:16 < daja77> lol
16:18 < n00kie> nk?
16:18 < Mike1> n00kie.nk :)
16:18 < n00kie> n00kie without 00ie? :)
16:18 < daja77> hongkong
16:19 < Mike1> kingkong?
16:20 < daja77> I am not talking of you...
16:21 * Mike1 grabs his baseball bat, are you talking to me?
16:21 < daja77> indeed *running away
16:21 < daja77> *
16:22 < Mike1> come over here coward
16:22 * Mike1 phping... brb
16:24 < n00kie> have fun
16:24 < Mike1> i am :)
16:33 < rxr> hi Mike1
16:33 < Mike1> Good day rxr
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16:35 < kasc_> re
16:35 < daja77> re kasc_
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17:14 < rxr> 2.0.0-beta released (puh - finally)
17:14 < daja77> congrats
17:14 < Mike1> wee! :)
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17:37 < Mike1> http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/ontheedge_0305.html
17:37 < Mike1> what enables this? Linux.....
17:38 < daja77> *argh* what a crap page Mike1
17:39 < Mike1> daja77: forget about the page and the design, look at the info!
17:40 < daja77> it opened 6 other windows *damn*
17:41 < daja77> it is not unlikey that nasa uses linux
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17:46 < Mike1> hi ringo
17:46 < ringo> hi Mike1
17:46 < daja77> yeah hi ringo welcome here
17:48 < daja77> well $root points to build dir and is available for every package right?
17:48 < ringo> Mike1: How is UML doing ?
17:49 < Mike1> UML and hurd are doing good.
17:50 < Mike1> well uml is in better shape :)
17:50 < ringo> Thanks Mike1
17:50 < Mike1> why do you thank me?
17:51 < ringo> for the infotainment.
17:51 < Mike1> :))
17:51 < Mike1> np
18:07 < rxr> daja77: yes $oot is availble for any pkg
18:07 < rxr> daja77: Documentation/Developers/PKG-BUILD-VARS
18:08 < daja77> rxr: ok I found the error I think, isn't related with $root, I just felt unsure
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18:24 < daja77> *sigh* the rtai build scripts are real crap
18:26 < praenti> hi
18:26 < n00kie> daja77: Please don't use that bad words. :)
18:27 < Mike1> hi praenti
18:27 < praenti> anybody knows how i put a password in the cvs url for curl?
18:27 < daja77> n00kie: why not I am old enough for it ;)
18:27 < daja77> hi praenti
18:28 < rxr> praenti: curl does not download cvs
18:30 < praenti> rxr: thx. ok you are right. it is an own implementation i see at the moment
18:32 * ringo is away: feeding time
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18:47 < JTBurn> did anyone know an other  Webserver not apache who is similar to config ???
18:47 < Mike1> you don't like apache???
18:48 < JTBurn> apache didn't run on my system
18:48 < rolla> what do you have?
18:51 * daja77 is goin cu
18:51 < JTBurn> the newest version... but its equal how I config the httpd.conf it occoured the same error every time: you no permission to access / on this server ...
18:52 < JTBurn> and I'm at the end with my knowledge
18:52 < rolla> hmm so Apache runs but is not configed right
18:52 < Mike1> JTBurn: maybe you want to 'chmod -R +r .' the dir where the webfiles are located
18:53 < rolla> also remember that the +indexes must be on if there are no index.html files there
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18:57 < martin_> Hello ...
18:58 < JTBurn> The same error ...
18:58 < n00kie> Mike1: Its not a CHMod Problem
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19:04 < rolla> damn
19:16 < n00kie> rolla: what?
19:20 < ringo> hmm .. Could not connect to host www.rocklinux.de
19:21 * ringo is back
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20:20 < _NULL_> hi
20:20 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D36E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:21 < _NULL_> hi tcr
20:23 < tcr> moin all
20:29 < tcr> rolla: ping
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20:30 < tcr> moin tsa
20:30 < _NULL_> hi tsa
20:30 < tsa> moin.
20:32 < rxr> hi tsa
20:33 < tcr> Hmm
20:34 < tcr> Just realized that I won't be able to attent neither the vienna meeting nor get a change to come to LinuxTag... what a crap!
20:35 < _NULL_> oh this means that you and i have no chance to kill eachother.
20:35 < tcr> _NULL_: I wouldn't ever do that myself. I never get my hands dirty ;)
20:37 < _NULL_> tcr: so you mean - you send someone to LT and/or vienna to kill me?
20:37 < tsa> *sigh* the never-ending topic...
20:37 < _NULL_> tsa: ack
20:37 < tsa> _NULL_: we will _NOT_ kill you.
20:38 < tsa> (it's more fun to see you suffer)
20:38 < tcr> _NULL_: Yeah, if this was my intent, I probably ;)
20:38 < tcr> would
20:38 * _NULL_ takes 3 openbsd cds and smashes them onto tcr and tsa 
20:38 < _NULL_> "die bastards"
20:40 < tcr> tsa: No, it finally turned upsidedown, that means she now seems to got that it's fun after all ;)
20:45 < _NULL_> tcr: NACK. i just left rock
20:45 < _NULL_> (more or less)
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20:48 < Mike1> lier.
20:48 < JTBurn> re
20:48 < Mike1> welcome back JTBurn
20:49 < JTBurn> who was the nice guy which I shall send my httpd.conf ???
20:49 < rxr> what's going on here ? *kopfshuettel*
20:49 < _NULL_> Mike1: who is a lier?
20:50 < Mike1> rxr: ?
20:50 < JTBurn> Or anybody know my problem and have a solution ? :)
20:50 < Mike1> JTBurn: you need rolla.
20:50 < JTBurn> rolla ?
20:50 < JTBurn> is it a prog or a name ???
20:51 < _NULL_> name
20:51 < Mike1> JTBurn: nope, its the guy you were supposed to send your httpd.conf file too
20:51 < JTBurn> ok. I query him
20:52 < Mike1> good.
20:52 < tcr> He seems to be away
20:52 < Mike1> hi tcr
20:52 < tcr> moin Mike1
20:53 < Mike1> _NULL_: you. You need rock, your project would be nothing without it.
20:53 < _NULL_> Mike1: thx for the compliment!
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20:54 < Mike1> amazingly sweet as usual :)
20:54 < tcr> *g* I'm getting redundant on this, damn ;)
20:55 < JTBurn> Mike1: I think I found the problem: the config-file is empty and I can write into there. but after I start the Apache the file is empty again. what should happen ???
20:55 < Mike1> i wonder where was my offence to her?
20:55 < Mike1> she is doing a rock fork, so ofcourse her project is based on rock..
20:56 < Mike1> JTBurn: the httpd.conf file???
20:56 < Mike1> 0_o
20:56 < JTBurn> yes
20:56 < Mike1> OMG
20:56 < Mike1> JTBurn: i have hnoestly never seen such thing.
20:57 < JTBurn> I, too
20:57 < rxr> what problems do so many people have here ?
20:57 < Mike1> JTBurn: what apache version is it?
20:57 < JTBurn> the newest
20:58 < Mike1> rxr: JTBurn have apache problems, _NULL_ simply needs to grow up.
20:58 < JTBurn> and before the 2.0.44 and therefor the 1.3.xx in every version the same prob
20:58 < Mike1> JTBurn: mm.. perhaps is an apache specific error, have you seen in the mailing list archives, to see if someone else already the same problems?
20:59 < rolla> you can create a sperate config file and do the startup with the -f option and see if it blanks that file too
20:59 < tcr> rolla!
20:59 < tcr> some time?
21:00 < rolla> yup
21:01 < rolla> I have been very busy at work :)
21:03 < rxr> Mike1: yes I read the Apache config problem - that wasn't what I asked - I meant the personal bashing here - I think other people need to grow up here, ...
21:04 < Mike1> rxr: as i said before, _NULL_ is just back to her usual childish attitude
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21:05 < jtburn_> re
21:05 < jtburn_> Mike1: I searched in the mailinglists and no one was found
21:06 < Mike1> jtburn rxr did found something
21:06 < jtburn_> really?
21:06 < Mike1> rxr: or you mean someone else?
21:06 < rxr> Mike1: feel free to read scroll-back
21:08 < jtburn_> rxr: do you find anything about my probb ???
21:10 < rxr> jtburn_: no sorry - I'm out of time to look into apache issues ...
21:10 < rxr> never saw a apache empties config problem :-(
21:13 < tcr> jtburn_: well, use strace (+ filtering out all creat(), write(), ... calls) to see if it's really apache
21:14 < jtburn_> tcr: I dont know what you mean, can you explain me exactly?
21:14 < tcr> jtburn_: Do you know a bit about C?
21:14 < rolla> mom
21:15 < jtburn_> tcr: not very much but I hope enough for that task :)
21:16 < tcr> jtburn_: So you know what syscalls are? With strace(1) you can trace them... for example just call 'strace /bin/ls'
21:16 < rolla> JTBurn create a basic apache config called test.conf
21:17 < rolla> then start apache with httpd -f test.conf
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21:18 < jtburn_> ok. mom. @ rolla
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21:20 < rolla> jtburn_: this is apcahe2 right?
21:20 < jtburn_> yes
21:21 * Mike1 is away: having lunch
21:22 < jtburn_> [root@localhost httpd]# httpd -f test.conf
21:22 < jtburn_> no listening sockets available, shutting down
21:22 < jtburn_> [root@localhost httpd]#
21:22 < jtburn_> @ rolla
21:22 < jtburn_> und nu ?
21:22 < jtburn_> oh. sorry
21:22 < jtburn_> and now ?
21:24 < jtburn_> mom i see a bug on myself test.conf
21:28 < jtburn_> rolla: the same bug
21:29 < n00kie> http://www.sgi.com/visualization/onyx/3000/ir/images/onyx3000ir3_index.jpg yea
21:29 < rolla> jtburn_: :)
21:29 -!- jtburn_ is now known as JTBurn
21:30 < JTBurn> *fg*
21:30 < rolla> is it working now?
21:30 < n00kie> <jtburn_> rolla: the same bug
21:30 < JTBurn> thats my negativ karma. I'm sure
21:32 < rolla> the file is now empty?
21:33 < JTBurn> no
21:34 < rolla> what is the error
21:34 < JTBurn> mom
21:34 < JTBurn> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
21:34 < JTBurn> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
21:34 < rolla> is there a index.html file in that dir?
21:35 < JTBurn> yes
21:36 < tsa> permissions of htdocs direcotry?
21:36 < daja77> re
21:37 < tsa> grep 'Directory ' /path/to/httpd.conf
21:39 < tcr> rolla: sent
21:41 < JTBurn> tsa: [root@localhost httpd]# grep '/home/jtburn/homepage' /etc/httpd/test.conf
21:41 < JTBurn> [root@localhost httpd]#
21:41 < JTBurn> there is nothing
21:42 < tsa> can a user {apache,nobody} access this directory?
21:43 * daja77 wonders if he is in the right chan
21:44 < rolla> :)
21:44 < JTBurn> tsa: yes jtburn
21:44 < tsa> hm..
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21:47 < JTBurn> I try it to set it readable for all ...
21:47 < JTBurn> but theres the bug too
21:48 < daja77> *hmpf*
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21:56 < daja77> O_o the builds are getting worse
21:56 < daja77> even tetex failed
21:58 < tsa> daja77: there'l be lots of bugs still hidden...
21:58 < tsa> successfully building a package != a working package
21:58 < daja77> shared files with coreutils, mnemoc where are you *g*
21:59 < daja77> yeah non building package -> for sure not working package
21:59 < tsa> but we'll need lots of people testing to find most of these bugs..
21:59 < daja77> if you think that this is the road to stable...
22:00 < daja77> I hope I can soon spend some time on bugfixing
22:00 < tsa> daja77: well..i guess we'll still miss lots of bugs with the 2.0 release..
22:01 < tsa> 2.0.x will probably fix most of them
22:02 < tsa> the only way to attract lots of people for testing is to make a major release.
22:02 < daja77> well if I look at it now, I doubt if we'll have 2.0 in some weeks
22:02 < tsa> hm..i don't know.
22:03 < daja77> I was fighting rtai today
22:03 < rxr> daja77: yes - the tetex thing is rather minor - I'll fix this tonight!
22:03 < daja77> rxr: ok it was just on my screen...
22:03 < rxr> jups - rahter minor issue ...
22:04 < rxr> but it will be fixed in some minutes
22:04 < daja77> I love him for this
22:04 < tsa> hm...i'm glad all of my packages seem to build ok in the last few build reports i've seen on the list
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22:05 < rxr> daja77: to you wanna bet we will have a 2.0.0 without build errors in (at least) the desktop target within four weeks ?
22:05 < daja77> rxr: yeah I bet against, and will be a happy looser
22:05 < daja77> loser
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22:05 < rxr> err I meant the build errors will be fixed in four weeks - the 2.0.0-final might be six weeks or so
22:05 < tsa> rxr: you'll need to enter a pre-release phase, then: no unneeded package updates, no more new packages.
22:06 < tsa> just bugfixing.
22:06 < tsa> nothing else.
22:06 < rxr> tsa: yes I know
22:06 < daja77> tsa: strong ack, not even more games
22:06 < JTBurn> ok. problem is fixed :)
22:06 < rxr> I always had perfect dRock releases - the only 2.0 problem is that it are far more packages - and people do take too little care ..
22:06 < tsa> and we need some kind of pre-release "tags" to coordinate bug reports
22:06 < JTBurn> thx to rolla
22:06 < JTBurn> :)
22:07 < rxr> tsa: how do you define tag ?
22:07 < daja77> I think it would be good if people who likes to have new packages provide them as .gem first, and check in later if the release is done
22:08 < tsa> rxr: currently, people are getting "cvs head". they report bugs to the list with "rock linux cvs of 2003-05-somehting" ..
22:08 < tsa> since things might even change within that one day, coordination is difficult.
22:09 < tsa> a suggestion: create a tar.gz, name it "rock-2.0rc1.tar.gz" and put it somewhere.
22:09 < tcr> Tss. For what do we have svn? Just create a main branch, an update branch, and a new-package branch. Make use of the functionality of branches, it's awesome (properly used, which precludes that there's a proper imlementation in svn)
22:09 < tsa> or, add a 2.0rc1 tag to cvs/svn/..
22:10 < tsa> it'll be easier to track bugs, then.
22:10 < tsa> (and attract more people to do builds than just a "cvs something"
22:10 < tsa> )
22:10 < tsa> IMHO.
22:11 < tsa> what do you think?
22:11 < tcr> Well
22:12 < rxr> yes sure
22:12 < daja77> 31 ne mails on rlml >_<
22:12 < daja77> new
22:13 < rxr> I even send 1.7.0-19c3, 2.0.0-TP2 2.0.0-alpha tar-balls to cliff
22:13 < rxr> they are simply not on the web
22:13 < rxr> I also have the 2.0.0-beta lying here ...
22:13 < tsa> hm..
22:13 < tcr> that's a rather reciprocal affair: I don't think more people would be attracted just if you publish a tagged tarball, you also need some PR. And PR could easily turn in bad PR if the promated thing doesn't work properly. So to promote something, it must at least be not a pile of bugs...
22:13 < rxr> but using svn now I'll tag the source sure
22:13 < tsa> rxr: put the -beta sources on your web server, then.
22:14 < tsa> announce it on the list and on freshmeat to attract people.
22:14 < rxr> tsa: yeah - quite inconsistent ... but sure will do so if they do not appear soon
22:14 * rxr head banging - fogot the freshmeat announcement today ...
22:15 < tsa> do it now.
22:15 < tsa> it's still early in USA etc..
22:15 < tcr> hmm, don't even have an account at freshmeat. Will create one now to rate rocklinux!
22:16 < tcr> Anyone else who hasn't yet rated it?
22:16 < rxr> hm - yes (although I currently do my electric report for university - needs to be handed over tomorrow ...)
22:16 < tcr> daja77, rolla?
22:17 < tcr> hmm? What is 'fake Email:' ?
22:18 < tcr> (at freshmeat's registration)
22:18 < tsa> don't know
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22:19 < tsa> i didn't enter anything there
22:19 < daja77> tcr: what's up
22:20 < tcr> daja77: Did you rate rocklinux at freshmeat?
22:21 * tsa adding rxr to friends list.
22:21 < rxr> there is also an seperated drock project
22:21 < rxr> (hint)
22:21 < daja77> tcr: nope
22:22 * tsa just rated dROCK
22:23 < tcr>  The username tcr is already taken.
22:23 < tcr> Hrrrm
22:23 < tsa> hehe
22:25 < tcr> User ID:
22:25 < tcr> 188126
22:25 < tcr> Username:
22:25 < tcr> tobrit
22:25 < tcr> Ok
22:26 * tsa adding...
22:29 < tcr> eh, what's your username?
22:31 < tsa> tsa666
22:31 < tcr> LOL 8)
22:34 < tcr> ROCK Linux by Jocelyn - Sunday, June 20th 1999 20:10 PST
22:34 < tcr> does that mean it has been updated the last time pn 20th June?!
22:38 < rxr> nope
22:38 < rxr> Development
22:38 < rxr> 1.5.12
22:38 < rxr> 25-Dec-2001
22:39 < tcr> Well, what a difference ;)
22:40 < rxr> tcr: simply the 1.5 mess ...
22:40 < rxr> ask huebie what he did ...
22:41 < tcr> Woohoo, isn't jocel responsible for that? Well, nevermind..
22:42 < rxr> tcr: huebi never announced 1.5 releases - how should she have known ...
22:42 < daja77> huebi, she?
22:42 < tcr> rxr: That's true
22:45 < tcr> Huh? Is that normal that I see [project] add release | ... | ...  [project]? And if i click on one of those, I even get to some site??
22:45 < rxr> daja77: jocelyn == she
22:45 < rxr> how should jocelyn have notived the secret 1.5 releases ?
22:46 < rxr> tcr: test what it does ...
22:46 < tcr> So authorization is afterwards?
22:46 < daja77> rxr: ah yes I know about jocelyn
22:47 < rxr> announcing 2.0.0-beta on freshmeat takes a while - I first tag the svn and make a tarball out of it ...
22:47 < daja77> hmm nice /me will do a svn up later
22:49 < daja77> Mike1: still eating?
22:52 < rxr> daja77: for you this will not change anything - you can already do it now ;-)
22:52 < daja77> still building
22:55 < rxr> just heared in the server room who busy the RAID-5 array is during a svn checkout ;-)
22:55 < rxr> s/who/how/
22:56 < daja77> hehe
22:57 < daja77> hmm does mnemoc already know about breaking openldap
23:01 * Mike1 is back (gone 01:39:27)
23:01 < daja77> wb Mike1
23:01 < Mike1> thanks
23:01 < Mike1> were you looking for me daja77?
23:02 < daja77> I was just wandering about your long meal *g*
23:02 < tcr> Hah... meal then fiesta...
23:03 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/
23:04 < rxr> wow - tagging takes only parts of an second ...
23:04 < daja77> *loool*
23:05 < daja77> there is a consulting firm called illuminata
23:05 < tcr> Hrrrr
23:06 < daja77> they are involved in this sco case *rofl*
23:07 < tcr> Oh well.
23:08 < rxr> hm - maybe I should get a faster CPU for the server ...
23:08 < rxr> CPU states: 66.7% user,  4.3% system,  0.0% nice, 28.8% idle
23:08 < rxr> during subversion checkout
23:09 < tcr> Hmm, what would be a fair price for an athlon XP 1GHZ and some mainboard?
23:10 < daja77> 200 euro perhaps
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23:10 < rxr> I have an 1700XP in my build-box myself ;-)
23:10 < rxr> maybe this should become the next servern when a Dual Hammer becomes my new build box ;-)
23:11 < daja77> rxr: strong ack
23:11 * Mike1 has a 4x2400mhz xeon box to build :)
23:11 < daja77> Mike1: poser
23:11 < tcr> Well, a friend of mine is about selling this to me... iirc he mentioned a price of about 180euro. Though I'm not really sure what precicely the tact frequency has been...
23:11 * daja77 neither but this could be ok
23:12 < Mike1> rxr: btw, whats the current status on the Sparc / Sparc64 ports?
23:12 < tcr> Maybe I'm mixing here something up, and he's about selling me an AMD Duron 800mhz, in order to buy an ahtlon XP 1ghz 8) Have to ask him tomorrow again
23:13 < daja77> yeah do so
23:13 < rxr> build as intel does - but special hacks for the kernel are needed as well as boot code
23:13 < rxr> if you find a sponsor I'll leave the Windows GUI coding and do this in one week
23:15 < daja77> urgs I am a lucky one working with linux only
23:16 < rxr> daja77: I work with linux only too - for five years now or so ...
23:16 < daja77> good
23:16 < rxr> but when I sit at PACE (www.pace.de) I'll have to write some C++ lines related to aircraft CAD stuff for Windows ...
23:16 < rxr> (somehow I need to pay the flat and so ..)
23:16 < daja77> ;)
23:17 < tcr> what about robbery? ;)
23:17 < daja77> rxr: sure, I have the job to code control software for linux, so I don't have windows at work, only a samba server for the lusers
23:18 < daja77> tcr: hard business
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23:19 < rxr> whit now I did a svn mistake
23:19 * rxr should go to bed ...
23:20 < daja77> gn8 rxr
23:20 < Mike1> gute nacht Ren
23:21 < tsa> cu rxr
23:21 < Mike1> Sebastian saludos
23:22 < tcr> me too.
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23:23 < tsa> hi Mike1
23:23 < rxr> hehe _should_ != is going ;-)
23:23 < rxr> so finally tagged
23:24 < Mike1> rxr: ah hehe
23:24 < rxr> but I do the announement on freshmeat tomorrow when I'm not in a hury ...
23:25 < Mike1> why in a hurry?
23:28 < rxr> because I need sleep ...
23:28 < daja77> acj
23:28 < daja77> ack
23:28 < daja77> d'oh
23:29 < rxr> have to be at the university at 8.oo tomorrow - and it is 23:32 here
23:29 < Mike1> so get urself in bed already my friend
23:30 < daja77> anyone tried to get an isdn card to dial up internet when called via mobile?
23:36 < daja77> gn8 everybody
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23:41 < daja77> gn8 n00kie
23:41 < n00kie> sleep well, daja77 :)
23:48 < rxr> frehsmeat announcement commited
23:49 < rxr> cu tomorrow - good night
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