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00:06 < rxr> hm - when you search for "gtkextra-2" on google you get mostly ROCK Linux links ...
00:09 < esden> when you search for dietlibc it is the same
00:18 < rxr> urghs
00:18 < rxr> this SPAM gets annoying:
00:19 < rxr> 5534  05/07   1k "Samenspender" <sa Dein Sperma ist Gold wert !
00:19 < rxr> and I already run spamassassin on my mails ...
00:23 < esden> yes ... they are getting from day to day more sofisticated in writing spam that is not detected by spamfilters
00:24 < rxr> this mail has:
00:24 < rxr> X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++)
00:25 < rxr> maybe a rule for "Outlook" +2 would remove more spam from my inbox ;-)
00:26 < rxr> and for 5 or more receivers in the same domain (the mail was To'ed to many .gmx.net people ...
00:26 < esden> ack ... that would be a solution
00:28 < kasc> the best spam mails are those that claim to be able to fix your spam problem ;)
00:29 < esden> kasc: yes they rule ;-)
00:29 < esden> I got one today
00:32 < kasc> 205 detected spams since Apr 10
00:34 < kasc> 2 of them false negatives
00:35 < kasc> think i should start doing some statistics ;)
00:37 < esden> are you american that you love statistics so much?
00:38 < kasc> not at all, but i need some more practice in doing statistics for my studies
00:39 < esden> aha
00:41 < rxr> I'm really impressed by kernel 2.5.68
00:41 < rxr> it is up since "4 days, 22 min"
00:41 < rxr> and it is _much_ smoother than 2.4
00:41 < rxr> (21-rc1)
00:42 < kasc> it was here, too... until it fscked my /etc...
00:43 < rxr> ah this way you lost your /etc ...
00:43 < george> hi.
00:43 < rxr> hi george
00:43 < george> hi rxr.
00:43 < rxr> I'll reiserfsck after the -beta2 build ... ;-)
00:43 < rxr> I only have a proble with the -beta2 - the RAID array in ther gsmp.tfh-berlin.de server
00:44 < rxr> is full :-(
00:44 * JTBurn wishes a gn8 2 all :)
00:44 < george> rxr: can you send me the pam err log? (hoping it was not my change causing it to err)
00:44 < rxr> I just shipped the two IBM 40GB disks lying here for weeks back for exchange to Hitachi global storage - but I guess my -beta2 will finish before I have the disks to extend the raid array ...
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01:09 < rxr> hehe Linus:
01:09 < rxr> "But even if it wasn't, the fact is that new additions that break major
01:09 < rxr> architectures _will_ be reverted. No ifs, buts or maybes about it. If new
01:09 < rxr> code shows itself to be broken, it's going to get reverted, and the sooner
01:09 < rxr> the better."
01:11 < esden> full ack to linus
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01:11 < esden> hi jhidalgo 
01:11 < jhidalgo> esden: hi!
01:17 < kasc> woohoo... the first undefined references during setup of the build environment for openoffice...
01:17 < kasc> looks like a good point to break and continue tomorrow
01:17 < kasc> gn8
01:18 < george> happy dreamin
01:22 < esden> ok .. n8 everyone
01:22 < rxr> n8 esden
01:22 * rxr leaves soon, too
01:22 < esden> the idea of how to get the uclibc wrappers right needs a bit of more sleep
01:26 < rxr> ;-)
01:26 < rxr> wow gnumeric seems to compile after I updated it:
01:26 < rxr> == 01:13:29 =[5]=> Building gnome2/gnumeric12 [1.1.16 2.0.0-beta2].
01:35 < rxr> Yeah:
01:35 < rxr> == 01:13:29 =[5]=> Building gnome2/gnumeric12 [1.1.16 2.0.0-beta2].
01:35 < rxr> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
01:35 < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.gnumeric12.1052349193.12539.1866864561
01:35 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/5-gnumeric12.out
01:35 < rxr> -> $root/var/adm/logs/5-gnumeric12.out -> 5-gnumeric12.log
01:35 < rxr> == 05/08/03 01:38:45 =[5]=> Finished building package gnumeric12.
01:35 < rxr> one broken package less
01:37 < rxr> 675 builds total, 493 completed fine, 4 with errors.
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01:45 < Caspar> hi rxr - whats the difference between your subversion tree and the cvs tree? go all changes in the subversion tree into the cvs tree ?
01:46 < rxr> jups
01:47 < rxr> in the last half year we only had the cvs tree
01:47 < rxr> and since I did muc work I exported my private tree via rsync and so
01:47 < rxr> but since I'll maintain the 2.0 stable tree we start to prepare to fork
01:47 < rxr> and the svn tree will be the 2.0 stable tree and the current cvs tree will be the 2.1 devel tree
01:48 < Caspar> ok - i see
01:48 < rxr> alhough Clifford also might discard CVS in favour of something more powerfull ...
01:48 < Caspar> i just checked out the svn tree - i'll see if i've less errors ... especially i want to build wine ...
01:54 < rxr> Caspar: my build has not yet reached wine - but I know it build correct during -beta
01:54 < rxr> I just do a Build-Pkg wine into my system
01:57 < Caspar> i'm just downloading missing files- then i'll start a fresh build or try to rebuild my broken cvs version with the svn version - is this possible?
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01:58 < rxr> Caspar: rebuild using Build-Target or Update-System ?
02:00 < Caspar> Build-Target
02:00 < Caspar> i'm doing a diskless rocklinux installation as a prestep to a rocklinux live cd ...
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02:01 < Caspar> my system already starts X on my diskless box ;)
02:02 < Caspar> one of my problems - autodetection of the graphic card and monitor to do the X configuration :(
02:03 < Caspar> the other problem dhclient :(
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02:14 < george> how do I get the dereferenced name of a link?
02:17 < rxr> readlink
02:17 < rxr> oh  - the cmdline tool is included in tetex - this sucks
02:19 < george> |-]
02:20 < rxr> I only knew the C function before ...
02:23 < george> could this fail on a non-C locale: ls -l <link>  | sed "s,^.*[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9] .* -> ,,"
02:24 < george> uuuuhhhh, I mean: ls -l <link>  | sed "s,^.* -> ,,"
03:01 < rxr> Caspar:
03:01 < rxr> == 01:58:02 =[9]=> Building rene/wine [20030408 2.0.0-beta2].
03:01 < rxr> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
03:01 < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.wine.1052351840.32473.4213795973
03:01 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-wine.out
03:01 < rxr> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-wine.out -> 9-wine.log
03:01 < rxr> == 05/08/03 02:38:56 =[9]=> Finished building package wine.
03:01 * rxr off into bed now cu
03:08 < Caspar> sleep well rene
03:09 < Caspar> BTW: 675 builds total, 640 completed fine, 5 with errors.
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03:19 < lowks> does rock have packages for cmucl or scheme,erlang ... functional programming languages ?
03:23 < george> scheme is part of slang, or? but what is cmucl and erlang?
03:23 < lowks> george: cmucl is Carnegie Melon University Common Lisp
03:24 < lowks> george: what about the Steel Bank Lisp ?
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04:23 < george> lowks: AFAICT, no. But better ask on the mailing list.
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04:36 < george> gn8 all
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04:59 < n00kie> rxr: Are you there?
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07:04 < daja77> moin
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07:30 < esden> moin
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09:24 < rxr> re
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09:30 < Brainbeer> anyone here?
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09:55 < rxr> err yes
09:56 < rxr> hm
09:56 < rxr> Committed revision 149.
09:56 < rxr> 675 builds total, 513 completed fine, 9 with errors.
10:03 < netrunner> wasn't it 6 yesterday? ;)
10:06 < rxr> yes but now some more are build ...
10:06 < rxr> [3] base/pam                            [5] gnome2/gimp14
10:06 < rxr>  [5] rene/sylpheed                       [5] gnome2/abiword20
10:06 < rxr>  [5] kde31/kdemultimedia31               [5] tibit/ctags
10:06 < rxr>  [5] rene/koffice-i18n                   [5] rene/kmatplot
10:06 < rxr>  [5] base/pam
10:06 < netrunner> oh, didn't remember the big numbers :)
10:07 < netrunner> do you have a minute to give me a pointer concerning my shared files issue?
10:09 < netrunner> what has mine to share with gcc? lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/cc1: gcc3 mine
10:19 < esden> hi all
10:20 < esden> netrunner: have you missed info IV ?
10:21 < netrunner> esden: nope, i have wlan :)
10:21 < netrunner> esden: are you still here? I need somebody to help me with my rock-build problem! ;)
10:25 < esden> yes I am in athalle
10:25 < esden> sitting at athalle17 ;-)
10:27 < netrunner> esden: oh, i am already there remote ;)
10:27 < netrunner> esden: I'll come over
10:57 < rxr> http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html
11:01 < esden> rxr: nice ;-)
11:02 < rxr> ;-)
11:05 < rxr> Updated to revision 151.
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11:08 < JTBurn> Holla
11:11 < rxr> hi jb
11:11 < rxr> JTBurn: even
11:15 * -> esden -> food
11:21 < rxr> Committed revision 153.
11:30 < rxr> 154
11:41 < rxr> == 05/08/03 11:42:10 =[5]=> Finished building package tetex.
11:41 < rxr> yes ;-)
11:41 * rxr at work cu
11:58 < esden> re hi all
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12:05 < daja77> hi
12:11 < daja77> hmmm girls with horse what a nice subject...
12:11 < daja77> horses
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12:24 < daja77> hi dreamind
12:25 * daja77 is laughing about the bsa madmen
12:26 < dreamind> Hi Folks
12:26 < dreamind> Hi daja77
12:26 * daja77 would be happy if he could join from university too...
12:33 < esden> daja77: why not?
12:33 < daja77> esden: the machine I used for this is broken in a strange way
12:33 < daja77> I can login but don't get a shell
12:37 < esden> daja77: what were you doing with that box ...
12:37 < esden> you nasty boy ;-)
12:38 < daja77> esden: nothing just running a screen with irssi and slrn
12:38 < daja77> esden: :ppp
12:39 < esden> aha ... it is called that these days ... ok ;-)
12:39 < daja77> this is not my machine >_<
12:39 < esden> ahh ... ok ... so the machine is going "fremd" ... nice ... it gets better and better ;-)
12:40 < netrunner> daja: try to reboot, I heard that helps :)
12:40 < daja77> netrunner: hahaha
12:40 < esden> what an idea netrunner !!!!
12:40 < esden> you are amazing me ;-)
12:40 < daja77> esden: what's up with you?
12:41 < netrunner> daja: or just format and reinstall :)
12:41 < esden> daja77: I am in good mood ;-)
12:41 < daja77> omg
12:41 < netrunner> esden: that beef was somewhat old, hey>?
12:41 < esden> netrunner: that was probably from mathilda ... 
12:41 * netrunner now building rock in an uml. there no hw can break.
12:42 < daja77> this non-interactive rtai configuration is interactive >_<
12:42 < esden> that is not good daja77 
12:43 < daja77> ACK this is getting on my nerves
12:43 < esden> netrunner: but the harddisk of the host system ...
12:43 < esden> daja77: look in the .config of pcmcia-cs package
12:43 < daja77> why
12:43 < esden> it can be a help
12:43 < netrunner> esden: no, my uml is completely virtual :)
12:43 < netrunner> (i am only imaginig it :)
12:43 < esden> you are running an uml on your brain? ... you freak1
12:43 < esden> !
12:44 < daja77> well this is not a problem of the .config file but of the fscking config scripts shipped with rtai
12:44 < esden> daja77: do not discuss and look in it ...
12:44 < netrunner> yea, /me likes shadowrun :)
12:44 < esden> netrunner: ack ... me too
12:44 < daja77> esden: I don't discuss anything
12:44 < esden> netrunner: what implants do you have?
12:45 < esden> daja77: ok ... 
12:45 < netrunner> esden: brain 0.9pre-alpha
12:45 < daja77> esden: I'm just gonna kick some asses *har har*
12:45 < netrunner> belonged to an ork before :)
12:46 < esden> daja77: I only want to say .... that pcmcia cs has interactive config ... and there is workaround for this ...
12:46 < daja77> yeah chdir: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
12:46 < esden> netrunner: sounds like quality ...
12:46 < netrunner> esden: workaround for cs problems: do not use :)
12:46 < daja77> esden: ok...
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12:51 < daja77> esden: interested in perverse news? read this http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ola-07.05.03-002/
12:54 < esden> daja77: *klick*
12:57 < esden> daja77: that is perverted ... full ack
12:57 < daja77> yeah morons teaching morals *shudder*
12:57 < esden> hehe
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12:59 < daja77> have fun
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13:18 < JTBurn> re
13:18 < daja77> re JTBurn
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14:11 < n00kie_> I learned much of spanish today ;)
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14:13 < n00kie_> wb JTBurn
14:18 < daja77> hey n00kie_
14:21 < n00kie_> hola daja77 :)
14:34 < rolla> re
14:35 < rolla> == 07:12:17 =[5]=> Building kde31/quanta31 [3.1 1.7-snapshot].
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14:38 < daja77> hi rolla
14:38 < daja77> hey Lorini_
14:38 < JTBurn> Hi rolla
14:38 < JTBurn>  hi daja77
14:38 < JTBurn> hi n00kie_
14:39 < JTBurn> ... and the rest of chan *g*
14:39 < daja77> hehe :p
14:41 < daja77> == 14:33:47 =[5]=> Building rene/xine [1-beta8 2.0.0-beta2].
14:44 < daja77> WEEEE I got my login at uni machine back cu soon ;)
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14:48 < daja77> re
14:48 < JTBurn> wb
14:48 < daja77> thx
14:49 < daja77> that's great to chat from here again ;)
14:49 < JTBurn> daja77: you are studying in chemnitz ???
14:49 < daja77> JTBurn: yes
14:50 < daja77> why?
14:50 < JTBurn> daja77: andd what ?
14:50 < JTBurn> -d
14:50 < rolla> re daja77
14:50 < daja77> computer science *g*
14:51 < daja77> thx rolla
14:51 < JTBurn> daja77: :) I want to study this at autumn in Berlin on the TU
14:52 < daja77> hmm why not :)
14:52 < JTBurn> :)
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14:58 < daja77> hi capchaos
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14:58 < capchaos> hi
14:59 < daja77> hmm Lorini without attachment *g*
15:31 * daja77 getting stronger in magic...
15:31 < capchaos> what kind of magic?
15:32 < daja77> shell scripting
15:32 < capchaos> aah what you working on?
15:32 * daja77 almost decompiled the rtai configure process
15:37 < capchaos> bash is man's best friend
15:37 < daja77> yeah better to read than m4
15:38 < capchaos> lol
15:38 * daja77 off for awhile cu
15:38 < capchaos> cu daja
15:39 < JTBurn> cu daja
15:58 < rolla> capchaos: zsh is better than bash
15:58 < capchaos> it's not as complete tho
16:04 < rolla> what
16:04 < rolla> bash is crap most of the time
16:04 < capchaos> why?
16:05 < rolla> I have never liked bash
16:06 < rolla> I use ksh and zsh where ever possible
16:08 < capchaos> nice. i'm too regaled on bash's features tho
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16:10 < rolla> what ever you like
16:11 < jhidalgo> good morning people! (0810 in CR)
16:11 < capchaos> hi jhidalgo
16:13 < daja77> re
16:14 < daja77> hi jhidalgo
16:14 < daja77> I guess Mike1 sleeps longer ;)
16:17 < capchaos> his coffee is mug was empty i guess ;)
16:18 < capchaos> -is
16:20 < rolla> == 08:27:27 =[5]=> Building kde31/kdebindings31 [3.1.1 1.7-snapshot].
16:20 < rolla> when are we going to remove KDE from rock
16:20 < rolla> it is too damn slow to build
16:20 < rolla> a waste of cpu
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16:20 < Mike1> Good day.
16:21 < capchaos> buenos dias miguel!
16:21 < Mike1> hey capchaos :), Buenos Dias
16:21 < capchaos> aah i wrote it correctly *g
16:21 < Mike1> capchaos: you wrote it perfect my friend :)
16:22 < capchaos> so how're you going=?
16:22 < Mike1> great, bit sleepy yet, but great :)
16:22 < Mike1> isn't this a great day?
16:23 < Mike1> :)
16:23 < capchaos> i'll tell you when night comes down ;)
16:28 < daja77> hi Mike1
16:29 < Mike1> lo daja77
16:32 < daja77> rolla: ack
16:32 < Mike1> rolla: ?
16:34 < JTBurn> HI Mike1 :)
16:34 < Mike1> hola JTBurn
16:35 < daja77> Mike1: rolla voted to remove kde ;)
16:35 < Mike1> hehehe
16:35 < JTBurn> KDE ? whats that ? *g*
16:36 < Mike1> daja77: i vote for an option in scripts/Config to disable it.
16:36 < daja77> ACK
16:36 < Mike1> i guess all windowmaker and gnome lovers will agree with me.
16:40 < esden> re hi all
16:40 < esden> puhh .. is that hot here ...
16:40 < capchaos> ack
16:40 < capchaos> hi esden
16:41 < esden> ok ... now I have to insert my new cdwriter into my machine ... *sigh*
16:41 < esden> or I wait till it is bit colder ...
16:41 < daja77> hi esden
16:42 < esden> yes I think I will do it ...
16:42 < esden> moving is inapropriate at the moment
16:42 < Mike1> esden: how about swimming?
16:43 < esden> that means moving to the tube ... no thanks
16:43 < esden> I will take a shower I think ...
16:43 < Mike1> :PP
16:43 < Mike1> Bless you esden
16:43 < esden> bless you Mike1 
16:43 < Mike1> ping rolla
16:43 * -> esden is dripping sweat ...
16:44 < daja77> esden smells...
16:45 < Mike1> stinks..
16:45 < Mike1> :P jk esdy
16:45 < esden> ack
16:45 * -> esden stinks like hell
16:45 * daja77 hides from esden
16:46 < esden> daja77: you can not hide before my stinch
16:46 < daja77> oh damn
16:46 < esden> hehe
16:47 < daja77> esden: btw looking at pcmcia-cs doesn't help, their build system si different
16:47 * Mike1 can't hold the breath anymore and crashed against the floor.
16:47 < daja77> but I now know how to manipulate rtai config
16:56 < esden> daja77: ahh ok ... then ...
16:57 < daja77> then, I hate this then
16:57 < esden> Mike1: holding breath is not good ... it has influence on your health ;-)
16:58 < Mike1> esden: take a shower so i can breath
16:59 < Mike1> brb, new server has arrived...
16:59 * -> esden is kuddling his new cdburner
17:01 * jhidalgo sad: radiostorm.com sucks today, another radio station ?
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17:47 < esden> re hi all
17:47 < esden> ok ... /me showered .. and the burner inserted in my box
17:47 < daja77> re esden
17:47 < daja77> congrats
17:47 * daja77 hacking rtai.conf
17:47 * -> esden has only one more slot free in his box >_<
17:48 < esden> and that is bigtower
17:48 < daja77> esden: you need a faster box anyway
17:48 < esden> the faster hardware will go in that bigtower ...
17:49 < daja77> hmm a new tower would be an option?
17:50 < esden> I have not the money to buy new bigtower ... the mb+cpu+ram will be expensive inough
17:50 < esden> s/ino/eno/
17:51 < daja77> esden: please stop sobbing, will ya?
17:52 < esden> why?
17:53 * -> esden is a poor student :-(
17:53 < daja77> who is not?
17:53 < esden> some are rich ... the ones that have time to work ...
17:54 < daja77> hmm /me not
17:54 < esden> daja77: my condolences ...
17:54 < daja77> yeah my condolences as well
17:54 < esden> thanks
17:54 < kasc> work besides studying?
17:55 < esden> ifg
17:55 < daja77> hehe this is great I found a mistake in my config.in just by reading their scripts
17:55 < daja77> kasc: I do
17:55 < esden> if I start working I will have no time for rock and no time to learn ...
17:55 < kasc> someone should introduce complex time, so i could use at least the imaginary part for working ;)
17:55 < esden> their scripts?
17:55 < esden> kasc: full ack
17:56 < esden> two dimensional time ... that would be great
17:56 < daja77> kasc: hehe I work on rock at work
17:56 < daja77> esden: rtai again, sorry
17:58 < esden> ???
17:58 < esden> at least is the internet connection nice ...
17:58 < esden> the one that I have here
18:00 < daja77> esden: ?
18:01 < esden> 400 kb/s of the kernel sources
18:01 < daja77> O_o
18:02 < esden> download speed from kernel org
18:04 < daja77> cool
18:07 < esden> ack
18:07 < JTBurn> wow esden
18:21 < daja77> esden: better a poor student with traffic as a rich one without ;)
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18:22 < esden> daja77: it is near to truth
18:23 < daja77> esden: what is missing?
18:26 < esden> both would be the best ;-)
18:26 < daja77> hehe ack
18:28 < rolla> re all
18:28 < rolla> == 10:53:39 =[5]=> Building kde31/kdeutils31 [3.1.1 1.7-snapshot].
18:29 < daja77> re rolla
18:29 < daja77> ;)
18:29 < daja77> == 18:31:02 =[5]=> Building gnome2/gnome-db10 [0.8.192 2.0.0-beta2].
18:31 < esden> hi rolla 
18:32 < daja77> damn it seems it will rain and I put my jacket into my car
18:35 < daja77> it is flashing
18:39 < daja77> hmm strange colors...
18:42 * netrunner rolls in full of ice cream :)
18:42 * daja77 gets hungry
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18:43 < daja77> lowks, who is lowks
18:44 < daja77> hi lowks
18:48 -!- Redgore [~redgore@host62-7-150-145.webport.bt.net] has joined #rocklinux
18:48 < daja77> hi Redgore
18:48 < Redgore> heya
18:48 < Redgore> hmm perfect topic !
18:48 < daja77> sure ;)
18:49 < Redgore> needed to find where to get the source
18:49 < daja77> see the topic *g*
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18:50 < netrunner> oh, just wantet to cutnpaste it here ;)
18:50 < daja77> netrunner: ?
18:50 < esden> cu l8er guys
18:51 < daja77> bye esden cu
18:51 < netrunner> daja: the cvs ... stuff.
18:51 < netrunner> cu esden
18:51 < daja77> netrunner: yeah don't need to paste it, at least I hope so
18:52 < daja77> Redgore: got the src?
18:52 < Redgore> not yet
18:52 < daja77> downloading?
18:52 < Redgore> gotta wait for a friend with better than 56k to DL it and burn to CD
18:52 < Redgore> well stick on CDs
18:52 < daja77> the source is just a few mb
18:52 < Redgore> oh
18:53 < daja77> but you'll have to download the packages...
18:53 < Redgore> ftp://ftp.sunsite.utk.edu/pub/linux/rock/ROCK-1.7 contains all the packages right ?
18:54 < daja77> if this is an official mirror, yes
18:54 < Redgore> yep
18:54 < daja77> perhaps a few are missing
18:56 < Redgore> bbiaw
18:56 < daja77> O_o ?
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19:04 < daja77> hehe what a show
19:07 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M368P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
19:10 < daja77> hi n00kie
19:10 < daja77> :)
19:11 < n00kie> Hola daja77 :)
19:11 < daja77> hehe I am not spanish _p
19:11 < daja77> :p
19:11 < n00kie> I learned much spanish today
19:11 < n00kie> tunge gusto café :)
19:11 < n00kie> le adiós :)
19:12 * daja77 learned shell today *g*
19:12 < n00kie> ehehe :)
19:23 < jhidalgo_> n00kie: que dicha que estas aprendiendo buen castellano!, de no ser el caso no te entenderia! :->
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19:55 < daja77> uh cr is cut off
19:58 < _NULL_> hi
19:59 < rolla> re _NULL_
19:59 < daja77> hi _NULL_
19:59 < _NULL_> hi rolla , daja77
19:59 < JTBurn> hi rolla
19:59 < JTBurn> hi _NULL_
20:00 < _NULL_> hi JTBurn
20:00 < rolla> re JTBurn how is your rock doing?
20:02 < JTBurn> I dont have running rock, because the x-server didn't run... altought I configure it manual
20:02 < JTBurn> I must install red hat :(
20:02 < daja77> which one?
20:03 < JTBurn> oh. which is added in the newest drock
20:04 < rolla> JTBurn: what card do you hve?
20:04 < JTBurn> I have a Radeon 7000/VE but in Red hat I take the vesa driver, I try it in rock but it didnt go
20:05 < rolla> hmm odd
20:05 < daja77> JTBurn: which rh
20:05 < rolla> install X from scource :)
20:05 < rolla> that is allways better for me anyway
20:05 < JTBurn> rh 9
20:05 < daja77> ;)
20:06 < rolla> JTBurn: I had rock 1.5.17 working with me Geforce4 ti4600 np
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20:07 < daja77> d'oh a kylix guy in #rocklinux what a shame
20:07 < rolla> ?
20:07 < JTBurn> crazy. why doesnt go it with my hardware ? I think it is bad karma
20:08 < JTBurn> kylix ? is not good ??? I was very happy to use delphi on win !
20:08 * daja77 hated delphi on win
20:08 < JTBurn> why?
20:08 < daja77> it is crap, waste of ressource
20:09 < JTBurn> its one of the best and similar languages
20:09 < daja77> it is pascal, 'nuff said
20:09 < daja77> no!
20:09 < JTBurn> pascal is very similar
20:10 * daja77 hates pascal
20:10 < JTBurn> and one of the most used after c/c++
20:10 < JTBurn> i think
20:10 < daja77> you forgot perl ;)
20:11 < JTBurn> ok
20:11 < rolla> :)
20:12 < daja77> WEEEEE
20:12 < daja77> == 05/08/03 20:09:21 =[5]=> Finished building package rtai.
20:12 < daja77> *strike* that's it
20:13 * daja77 goin home
20:13 < rolla> == 12:23:11 =[5]=> Building kde31/kdenetwork31 [3.1.1 1.7-snapshot].
20:13 < daja77> yeah i have another build running too, but this is my package ;)
20:14 < daja77> cu guys and girls, have to go before rains starts
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20:23 < _NULL_> hi n00kie
20:23 < n00kie> hi _NULL_
21:02 < rxr> daja77: congrats
21:02 < rxr> hi all
21:03 < _NULL_> hi rxr
21:03 < rxr> hi _NULL_ !
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21:07 < rxr> hm - if I would have free disk space I could release -beta2 tomorrow ...
21:08 * rxr wished the two 40GB IBM disks back from repair ...
21:16 < esden> re hi all
21:17 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
21:17 < Mike1> re.
21:17 < esden> bless you Mike1 
21:17 < Mike1> bless you esdy.
21:19 < rxr> hi Mike1 and esden
21:24 < Mike1> hi ren
21:24 < JTBurn> re mike :)
21:24 < n00kie> skeep well guys
21:24 < n00kie> Hola Mike1
21:25 < n00kie> Mik1 gusto de café
21:25 < n00kie> Mike1:  :)
21:25 < JTBurn> our new spain n00kie *g
21:25 < JTBurn> *
21:25 < n00kie> :)
21:25 < n00kie> sleep well guys :)
21:26 < n00kie> el adios Mike1 :)
21:27 < rxr> some infos:
21:27 < rxr> http://www.codesourcery.com/publications.html
21:29 < daja77> re
21:30 < JTBurn> wb
21:30 < daja77> thx JTBurn
21:34 < daja77> hi rxr :)
21:39 < rxr> hi daja77
21:39 < daja77> rxr: compiling rev 148 since 7.00 ;)
21:40 < rxr> you all now what? my 2.5 kernel is still up running and vital:
21:40 < rxr>  21:43:29 up 4 days, 21:21,  3 users,  load average: 2.86, 2.96, 2.44
21:40 < rxr> daja77: nice!
21:40 < daja77> just a few errors...
21:41 < rxr> yes!
21:41 < rxr> have you my newest tetex fix from this morning ?
21:42 < daja77> hmm when you checked this in?
21:45 < _NULL_> bye
21:45 < daja77> bye _NULL_
21:49 < rxr> daja77: rev 152 is the final tetex fix
21:50 < rxr> daja77: Committed revision 156.
21:50 < rxr> remove empty expat.conf file and adds fribidi package for abiword
21:50 < rxr> -> one new package and one error less
21:50 < rxr> == 05/08/03 21:51:41 =[5]=> Finished building package abiword20.
21:51 < rxr> my -beta2:
21:51 < rxr> 676 builds total, 651 completed fine, 25 with errors.
21:51 < rxr> ^- finished ;-)
21:51 < rxr> but I perform some final error fixing ...
21:53 < daja77> good good
21:54 < daja77> I'll try to merge my realtime stuff into tomorrows checkout of your tree and release a tarball
21:56 < rolla> rxr when are we going to remove KDE from rock
21:56 < rolla> waste of cpu cycles it is
21:57 < daja77> *lol*
21:58 < rolla> takes too long to build that C++ nightmare
21:59 < rxr> rolla: are you kidding? really no nightmare
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22:00 < rxr> rolla: disable them via scripts/Config ...
22:00 < daja77> hi tcr, joining at the right time ;)
22:00 < rxr> rolla: I would remove gnome before I remove kde ...
22:01 < JTBurn> IceWM is the best I think ...
22:02 < daja77> yeah a flame war _now_
22:02 < rxr> JTBurn: comparing apples with apple-trees?
22:02 < rxr> daja77: ack ;-)
22:02 < JTBurn> mmmh.
22:03 < daja77> rolla: btw compiling qt at the moment...
22:05 < rolla> ugh
22:05 < daja77> rxr: that bad thing is I can't do a working patch against rock cvs cos 2.4.21-rc1 isn't supported by rtai, so downgrading is necessary
22:05 < rolla> rxr I am not kidding that thing takes longer than the rest of rock to build
22:05 < rolla> rxr why remove gnome that is a nice window manager
22:05 < rxr> rolla: mostly due to the f**king slow g++
22:06 < rxr> rolla: kde and gnome are _not_ window managers
22:06 < rolla> they are in my mind :)
22:06 < rxr> rolla: when you build with gcc-2.95.3 KDE builds _much_ faster
22:06 < rolla> yes that is why I hate KDE to slow to build
22:06 < rolla> so it is gcc3 that makes it slow?
22:06 < rxr> rolla: jups
22:07 < rolla> hmm I might have to switch
22:07 < rxr> gcc-3.3 should be faster - and gcc-3.4 should fix more major speed problems
22:07 < daja77> lol
22:07 < rxr> rolla: you should not switch back - gcc-3 is a great compiler - just a bit slow
22:07 < tcr> moin all
22:08 < rolla> hmm
22:08 < rxr> daja77: they claim they work on this issues ... at least
22:08 < rolla> pain
22:08 < rxr> rolla: use ccache
22:08 < rolla> ?
22:08 < rxr> or faster hardware ;)
22:08 < daja77> rxr: yeah sorry sounded just a bit strange to me
22:08 < rolla> oh yeah I saw that
22:08 < rxr> rolla: for the case you rebuild often
22:08 < rxr> daja77: why ?
22:08 < rolla> :)
22:09 < rxr> I can only repeat what the gcc folks claim
22:09 < rxr> gcc-3.3 fixes some speed problems - the major issues are scheduled for gcc-3.4 ...
22:09 < daja77> rxr: I sounds like: and in version 3.6 everybody will be happy, cos the compiler will work then
22:09 < daja77> rxr: I don't blame you, but they made lots of promises before
22:09 < rxr> rolla: disabling compile optimization might help your box to build faster
22:10 < rxr> daja77: I think gcc is quite nice - not many bugs
22:10 < daja77> hmm as long as redhat isn't involved...
22:11 < rxr> Ge0rG: gcc-2.95 was crap for C++ (which I do intesively) this is why I had a gcc-3.0 based dRock before RedHat or SuSE even announced one ...
22:11 < Ge0rG> ah, now that you mention it ;)
22:11 < rxr> (sorry s/GeOrG// - hit tab to often ...)
22:12 < Ge0rG> no problem... I'm just kidding around :)
22:12 < rxr> the only problem I have with 3.x is the compile speed
22:12 < daja77> and optimisation errors
22:13 < rxr> daja77: do you notice some? You should report them ..
22:14 < daja77> tfing noticed one and got bashed for it in #python *g*
22:15 < rxr> clifford last logs are strangely ICEing on KDE ... ?!?
22:15 < daja77> ??
22:17 < rxr> daja77: brSearch the ROCK Linux Homepage:
22:17 < rxr> argg
22:17 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/packages/kdelibs31.html
22:18 < daja77> gcc segfault (how I hate this)
22:19 < daja77> *gna* this reminds me of my borken motherboard I had some months ago
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22:20 * rxr too - might be cliffs new hardware ...
22:20 < rxr> daja77: do you do an optimized build - or a generic 386 one ?
22:21 < daja77> pentium-mmx
22:21 < rxr> ah as I do
22:22 < rolla> rxr: I have no optimization set
22:22 < daja77> I'll do athlon later :^)
22:23 < rxr> rolla:  was it you who disabled the paranoia checks due to shared files =
22:24 < daja77> I did it two on a second run, some time ago
22:25 * -> esden driving back home ... cu l8er
22:25 < JTBurn> gn8
22:26 < daja77> gn8 JTBurn
22:26 < daja77> esden: where are you?
22:26 < daja77> s/two/too/
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22:28 < rxr> hm - strange my queued patches are still not applied by cliff ... :-(
22:28 < Mike1> rxr: perhaps he is busy...
22:29 < daja77> uh Mike nice to see you back
22:29 < Mike1> :)
22:29 < Mike1> i am not exactly back
22:29 < daja77> :(
22:29 < Mike1> we had a major power problem here
22:30 < Mike1> so we are still fixing stuff
22:30 < daja77> ooops
22:30 < Mike1> daja77: 3 _BIG_ UPS's gone
22:30 < daja77> fsck
22:30 < Mike1> 7 servers lost the power supply, and i think motherboards are demaged
22:31 < daja77> *aargh*
22:31 < Mike1> 3 of those boxes are Ultra 60's ... :(((
22:31 < daja77> how can this happen
22:31 < Mike1> an overload on the electric lines
22:31 < tcr> Hah! How's Murphy's law? If it can go bad, it will even go wrose? Or something like that
22:31 < Mike1> you can blame the provider, but they will not pay any demages
22:32 < daja77> oh
22:32 < Mike1> daja77: several companies got affected
22:32 < Mike1> including 8 sportbooks in the area
22:32 < Mike1> this crap..
22:32 < daja77> any private people in that area?
22:33 < Mike1> daja77: i guess some tv, and home pcs were gone as well
22:33 < Mike1> daja77: it was really a high overload...
22:33 < daja77> such a crap
22:33 < daja77> any larts for that
22:34 < tcr> Oh, it's already late. Will go sleeping right away.
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22:35 < Mike1> daja77: people is pissed off, anyways i am stilling recovering from the mess
22:35 < Mike1> be back in 1 hour or so
22:35 < daja77> I'll be gone themn, so bye Mike1
22:37 * daja77 is happy that he has no electricity problems due the lighting
22:38 < rxr> cool subversion 0.22 is out ;-)
22:38 < daja77> new features?
22:52 < daja77> there is one thing about subversion which scares me
22:53 < Mike1> bdb?
22:54 < rxr> ersion 0.22.0 (released 7 May 2003, revision 5842, branches/release-0.22)
22:54 < rxr>  User-visible changes:
22:54 < rxr>  * svn diff -r BASE:HEAD and other edge cases fixed (#977)
22:54 < rxr>  * svn diff and merge now have --ignore-ancestry option (#1034)
22:54 < rxr>  * svn ci -N DIR no longer errors during post-commit (#1239)
22:54 < rxr>  * ra_dav now optional (#617)
22:54 < rxr>  * update vn-svn.el (#1250, #1253)
22:54 < rxr>  * improvements to svn_load_dirs.pl (#1223, #1215)
22:54 < rxr>  * misc ra_svn bug fixes and protocol change
22:54 < rxr>  * log-encoding option now properly only applied to logs
22:54 < rxr>  * fix mmap failures on HP-UX
22:54 < rxr>  * fix some client memory leaks
22:54 < rxr>  Developer-visible changes:
22:54 < rxr>  * finish transition to new xml prop namespaces for mod_dav_svn (#840)
22:54 < rxr>  * minimize full tree locks and number of system calls (#1245)
22:54 < rxr>  * auto-generated .dsp files (#850)
22:54 < rxr>  * fix ETag of directory (#1251)
22:54 < rxr>  * added export editor (#1230)
22:54 < rxr> hm
22:55 < rxr> my build box with dRock-2.0.0-TP2 seems to need an update ... ;-)
22:55 < rxr> daja77: what scares you ?
22:56 < netrunner> can anybody here suggest an dual cpu setup that works fine with linux? (my P3-500 is way to slow building rock ;)
22:57 < daja77> rxr: the use of berkeley db
22:57 < rxr> hm - ...
22:58 < daja77> *g*
22:58 < daja77> Mike1: ack
22:59 < daja77> netrunner: what about a faster singel cpu
22:59 < daja77> single
23:00 < rxr> netrunner: your box is not to slow - you should be more patient!
23:01 < rxr> netrunner: I started ROCK on a Pentium 120 and was happy when I upgaded to an IDT Winchip 200 (or so) ...
23:01 < daja77> hehhe
23:01 < netrunner> rxr: when I was building on my P120, the HDD broke in stage 5
23:01 < rxr> netrunner: but nearly any dual setup should work quite fine under linux
23:01 < netrunner> rxt: while building on my K6/2, the HDD broke in stage 1
23:01 < rxr> netrunner: urgs :-(
23:02 < netrunner> rxr: while building on my P3-500, I realized that one of the sdrams was malfunctional. this is now replaced by 2 new 128MB.
23:02 < netrunner> but building glibc still takes a day. so I am still in stage 0
23:02 < daja77> netrunner: pechvogel?
23:03 < netrunner> daja: schaugt so aus ;)
23:03 < rxr> netrunner: it taks a day ????????????????
23:03 < rxr> this seems to be quite strange - you should check your system
23:03 < rxr> I would expect it to take 3 hours max on your box
23:04 < netrunner> anobody ever successfully built rock in an uml? (was my try today on my epia (remote=, but didnt work because of some encoding probs in fl_wrapper.c)
23:04 < rxr> it takes only 3-5 hours on my 270 Mhz UltraSPARC 5 ...
23:05 < rxr> hehe the gentoo people do not seem to have subversion ebuilds ;-)
23:05 < netrunner> rxr: ok, this was maybe the fault of only 64MB RAM. now I have 256, and it's only building for an hour now.
23:06 < netrunner> golfballgrosser hagel hier! *ieek*
23:06 < rxr> netrunner: ah! This sound more correct ;-)
23:06 < rxr> netrunner: oh - where are you located ?
23:06 < daja77> netrunner: wtf?
23:07 < rxr> netrunner: here in berlin is is quite nice in the real world ;-)
23:08 < rxr> btw: we already transfered > 100 GB -beta ISOs from the nexus.tfh-berlin.de server !
23:08 < rxr> in only 8 days!
23:11 < daja77> ongrats?
23:11 < daja77> *argh*
23:11 < daja77> congrats of course
23:13 < netrunner> rxr: munich.
23:13 < rxr> can anyone recommend a tiny / small apache log analizer that simply does it's job?
23:13 < rxr> e.g. nothing full-blown fat ...
23:14 < daja77> hmm nver did that really
23:33 < rolla> grr transports suck
23:34 < daja77> rolla?
23:36 < rxr> cu later
23:36 < daja77> rxr: gn8
23:45 < rolla> ja
23:46 < daja77> you mean public transport?
23:47 < rolla> no SAP transports
23:47 < daja77> d'oh
23:50 < daja77> gn8u every body
23:50 < daja77> everybody
23:56 < esden> re hi all ...
23:57 < esden> sigh ... the weather is terrible ...
23:57 < esden> it rained and thundered terribly over here...
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