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--- Log opened Sat May 10 00:00:03 2003 --- Day changed Sat May 10 2003 00:00 < n00kie> can't make anything write 00:00 < chaosmaster> what does the bios and dmesg say about the disk? 00:01 < n00kie> it can get "erkannt" correctly 00:01 < chaosmaster> but no access and no write? what are is mode on the device compared to other disks? 00:03 < n00kie> Partition check: 00:03 < n00kie> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > 00:03 < n00kie> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: 00:03 < n00kie> how do you mean? 00:04 < n00kie> I mean 00:04 < n00kie> I can't get access with cfdisk 00:04 < n00kie> because it cannot read the disk 00:04 < chaosmaster> how does it come you (root) cant write the disk? 00:04 < chaosmaster> ..... WAIT!!!! 00:04 < n00kie> ok 00:05 < chaosmaster> AFAIR cfdisk cant restore a broken parttable and broken mbr, but ..... 00:05 < chaosmaster> fdisk can, I think! 00:05 < n00kie> lol 00:05 < n00kie> then hda gets destroyed to 00:05 < n00kie> o 00:05 < rxr> re 00:05 < n00kie> wb rxr 00:05 < chaosmaster> hmmm, use fdisk and try to create one new partition 00:05 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:06 < A-Tui> hi 00:07 < n00kie> chaosmaster: 00:07 < n00kie> i am afraid of this program 00:07 < chaosmaster> n00kie: I recently send a patch for fileutils/coreutils to enable some add tools like partx, addpart, delpart - they can help 00:08 < chaosmaster> you just need a program ignoring everything, but writing to the disk without any checks 00:08 < n00kie> i use an image from the last 2 days 00:08 < n00kie> hmm 00:08 < n00kie> fdisk? 00:09 < chaosmaster> a real image of the whole disk or only data? 00:09 < n00kie> no 00:09 < n00kie> rock linux distri 00:09 < n00kie> with newer fileutils 00:09 < chaosmaster> that's not enough, when you cannot access the disk ... 00:10 < n00kie> hmm 00:10 < n00kie> but how can I restore my hdd then ? 00:11 < chaosmaster> step by step: 00:11 < chaosmaster> fdisk /dev/discs/foo/disc 00:11 < chaosmaster> p 00:11 < n00kie> alright 00:11 < n00kie> i will go to bed :) 00:11 < n00kie> sleep well 00:11 < n00kie> can we make this tomorow ? 00:11 < chaosmaster> (if any: d x) 00:11 < n00kie> ok 00:12 < n00kie> sleep well chaosmaster and the others 00:12 < chaosmaster> n00kie: i'm here from around 19:00 00:12 < n00kie> okay, me too 00:12 < n00kie> sleep well+ 00:12 < chaosmaster> thanks, dito 00:32 < daja77> re 00:34 -!- Mike1-home [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:34 < Mike1-home> re all. 00:35 < esden> bless you Mike1-home 00:36 < Mike1-home> kasc, rxr tomorrow once i am back to my office i will run a full build to test linux2.5, as i mentiones on my email spect reports on monday / tuesday or so.. 00:36 < Mike1-home> hi esdy, God bless you too my friend. 00:37 < Mike1-home> esden anything new around here? i am sick so have been at home all day with almost no internet access, i hate dialup, did i mention that already? 00:38 < daja77> yes you did 00:38 < daja77> wb Mike1-home 00:38 < esden> Mike1-home: I can understand that ... 00:38 < esden> my condolences Mike1-home 00:38 < Mike1-home> hi daja77 00:38 < Mike1-home> esden thanks :(( 00:38 < esden> Mike1-home: I have not been much around here today 00:39 < Mike1-home> i see 00:39 < Mike1-home> perhaps daja77 was here more? 00:39 < daja77> Mike1-home: I couldn't do release today cos I fighted our fscking routing at work 00:39 * _NULL_ is jumping around! 00:39 < _NULL_> tcl is alive!!! 00:39 < Mike1-home> _NULL_ ? 00:39 < Mike1-home> ah congratz Sandra 00:39 < daja77> Mike1-home: but I have the src at home so I can do it this weekend 00:39 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: *g* don't mind 00:39 < _NULL_> wb Mike1-home , btw 00:40 < Mike1-home> daja77 thats great, i am really looking forward to see this my friend 00:40 < daja77> esden: well rolla flooded the chan to increase his score, but else... 00:40 < Mike1-home> daja77 define flooded 00:40 < Mike1-home> _NULL_ thank you 00:41 < _NULL_> re esden , btw 00:41 < daja77> pasted err logs *g* 00:41 < Mike1-home> OUCH! 00:41 * Mike1-home glad of not been here when that happens.. 00:41 < daja77> yeah d'oh I forgot, hi esden 00:41 < daja77> hehe 00:41 < Mike1-home> daja77 u know i kinda freak with floods :) 00:42 < _NULL_> daja77: rolla flooded? i guess you meant n00kie, don't you? 00:42 < daja77> yeah I remember... 00:42 < Mike1-home> daja77 even though u and rolla are 2 of the very few that i don't mind to flood me on a _query_ 00:42 < daja77> _NULL_: no rolla, mayxbe n00kie did itr when I was away 00:42 < esden> daja77: you think that this was flooding? 00:43 * -> esden trying to get svn running on one of the machines in the university >_< 00:43 < Mike1-home> msg esden so how is life treating u my friend? 00:43 < daja77> esden: it was ok after all, chan was empty so... 00:43 < Mike1-home> arrg.. 00:43 < daja77> lol 00:43 < Mike1-home> daja77 the "/" is not working very well 00:43 * daja77 possibly gets integrated in local wlan soon... 00:43 * Mike1-home needs a new keyboard 00:44 < Mike1-home> esden so is it fun running svn ? easy? 00:44 < daja77> esden: I know I fighted with svn the whole day... 00:44 < Mike1-home> ping rxr 00:45 < Mike1-home> mmm... is everyone quite suddenly or my connection really so fscking slow? 00:45 * daja77 doin svn up right now 00:46 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: do you see me? ;) 00:46 -!- dreamind [dreamind@skeeter.dreamind.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 00:46 < Mike1-home> _NULL_ i wish i could but i can only read u 00:46 < daja77> Mike1-home: stop complaining :P 00:46 < Mike1-home> daja77 laught while u can ! 00:46 < daja77> _NULL_: send him ur pictures ;) 00:46 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: hehe ;) ok 00:46 < _NULL_> daja77: nope 00:47 < daja77> Mike1-home: nah I have a slow connection myself brother 00:47 < Mike1-home> _NULL_ come on i need to expand my _null pictures collection 00:47 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: *kick* :p 00:47 -!- Caspar__ [~steven261@M105P026.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:47 < Mike1-home> daja77 well my friend in this moment ven null's conection is faster than mine 00:48 < Mike1-home> i am really hating dialup! 00:48 < esden> ok ... another build on that fscking machine at the university ... 00:48 < Mike1-home> esden having fun? 00:48 < esden> have I already said that I hate rh? 00:48 < esden> Mike1-home: not really .. I would prefer to go to bed ... really ... 00:49 < esden> but I promissed rxr that I will get his tree and test it ... 00:49 < daja77> esden: yes you did 00:49 < Mike1-home> esden rh sucks, but i prefer to use in staed of mandrake 00:49 < esden> but I am to lame to get svn run through a proxy ... 00:49 < Mike1-home> esden also i think u sleep too much get in the code u lazy boy! 00:49 < esden> so I have to get it working on a box at the university ... 00:49 < esden> Mike1-home: GRRRRR 00:49 < daja77> esden: no you are not lame this is a svn/proxy related problem >_< 00:50 < esden> Mike1-home: I like you too ... 00:50 < Mike1-home> esden sure u do i am great :) 00:50 < Mike1-home> :P 00:50 < esden> daja77: this stupid svn is seems not to detect that I have set in the configuration that it should use a proxy ... 00:50 < esden> strange ... 00:50 < rxr> esden: shit I can't attent the chat tomorrow 00:50 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:51 < Mike1-home> esden have you send a mail to the svn mailing list? 00:51 < esden> rxr: that sux ... 00:51 < Mike1-home> rxr warun? 00:51 < rxr> se ML in some minutes 00:51 < daja77> esden: the most proxies don't understand svn's commands 00:51 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has joined #rocklinux 00:51 < Mike1-home> mm... 00:51 < esden> Mike1-home: no ... not with such a lame question ... "svn is not working over proxy ... please help!" 00:51 < esden> I will get flamed to death 00:51 < Mike1-home> esden ask null end it for u :) 00:52 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: ??? 00:52 < Mike1-home> esden or make a fake email address :) 00:52 < esden> Mike1-home: lol 00:52 < daja77> esden: it is just sucking... 00:52 < esden> daja77: it really seems so ... 00:52 < Mike1-home> esden did u ask rxr for a solution yet? 00:52 < Mike1-home> rxr have u been able to take a look at my coreutils patch? 00:53 < daja77> esden: it tries to send command which most proxies don't understand there is a fix for squid but that's all 00:53 < esden> daja77: perfect >_< 00:53 < daja77> Mike1-home: rxr is not the svn maintainer... 00:53 < esden> daja77: the problem is I have no access to the proxy ... 00:53 < daja77> esden: full ack, you know what I did 00:53 < Mike1-home> esden kill the sysadmin then kill the proxy 00:53 < daja77> esden: the same problem for me 00:54 < daja77> it is an NT proxy at work *puke* 00:54 < esden> urgh ... perfect 00:54 < Mike1-home> NT proxy... urrgg i though _null_ was the only one running such thing 00:54 -!- chaosmaster [~niko@dsl-213-023-143-063.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 00:55 < daja77> esden: i did the check at home, made a tarball and grabbed it via ssh, do I really have to say more 00:55 < esden> Mike1-home: lool ... when I kill the proxy all students in the student city will start running edonkey on their pc's and then I have no internet anymore ... 00:55 < rxr> Mike1-home: no not yet 00:55 < Mike1-home> esden iptables is your friend :) 00:55 < esden> daja77: I do something simmilar 00:55 < esden> Mike1-home: hehe ... qos too ;-) 00:55 < Mike1-home> rxr ah okis :) 00:55 < daja77> Mike1-home: I don't run such crap, but the adm^Wlusers at work doin this 00:56 < Mike1-home> daja77 u should give them some good lessons about how real networks and managed 00:56 < rxr> daja77: tunnel the svn traffic via ssh (or a real VPN) 00:56 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:56 < esden> rxr: that is also a possibility ... 00:56 < esden> hmm 00:56 < esden> nice ... 00:56 < daja77> rxr: could you let your apache listen to an additional port 00:57 < Mike1-home> like port 81.. 00:57 < daja77> nah I only have isdn at home, I don't wanna do a tunnel with that 00:57 < rxr> daja77: I'm not a apche guru - if it support this ... 00:57 * rxr taking a look 00:57 < Mike1-home> rxr yes it does support it 00:57 < daja77> rxr: sure just add a line: Listen $portnum 00:58 < rxr> multiple Listen lines or all ports in one Listen line ? 00:59 < Mike1-home> multiple Listen lines 00:59 < daja77> afaik you could do a: Listen $port1,$port2 or two lines 00:59 < daja77> multiple lines work for sure 00:59 < rxr> done 00:59 < rxr> works 01:00 < Mike1-home> ok folks i am out of here /me needs some sleep and resting 01:00 < daja77> Mike1-home: gn8 01:00 < daja77> rxr: thx which port? 01:00 < Mike1-home> rxr u won't be online tomorrow 01:00 < Mike1-home> ? 01:00 < Mike1-home> daja77 n8 my friend. 01:00 < rxr> Mike1-home: nope - I overread the "pm" - but anyway this birthday is not rescheduleable ... 01:01 < rxr> 80 81 01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr arrgg this sucks :( 01:01 < rxr> if you want more ... just ask 01:01 < rxr> Mike1-home: see ML 01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr anyways we talk on monday then 01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr i will in a moment 01:01 < rxr> or sunday ? 01:01 < Mike1-home> n8 Ren 01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr i am not sure if i will be on on sunday 01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr but i will do my best ok? 01:01 < rxr> ok - sleep well mike 01:02 < Mike1-home> thx Ren 01:02 < daja77> rxr: cool then I can do checkouts at work ;) 01:02 < Mike1-home> rxr enjoy bday tomorrow 01:02 < Mike1-home> me gone 01:02 -!- Mike1-home [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has quit ("Read error: 69 (Excessive tongue)") 01:02 < daja77> lol 01:03 < rxr> shit my iBook builded a whole day completely crap only because I configured the wrong target :-( 01:03 * rxr head banging againt table and walls 01:03 < daja77> *aaargh* 01:03 < daja77> rxr: save the wall... 01:03 -!- mnemoc [~mnemoc@200.75.27.10] has joined #rocklinux 01:03 < daja77> great mnemoc is here 01:03 < daja77> hi mnemoc 01:04 < _NULL_> hi mnemoc 01:04 < tcr> moin mnemoc. I actually wanted to reply to your question when 2.6 will probably come out... but I momentarely cannot send any mails (the heck's why)... 01:04 < mnemoc> hi :-) 01:05 < tcr> mnemoc: You should search the LKML about it, that question arouse some days ago, and alanc gave a first estimate that in about 2month there might be the first 2.6-test branch 01:05 < mnemoc> so.. answer here 01:06 < tcr> I can't remember to the subject line... though 01:07 < esden> weeee ... svn is running on the machine at the university !!! 01:07 < rxr> mnemoc: Cksum ERROR: download/mnemoc/lvs/ipvs-1.0.8.tar.gz.cksum-err (3889016756) 01:07 < mnemoc> :o 01:07 < rxr> should I simply adapt the checksum ? 01:08 < esden> rxr: I am now getting rock-trunk 01:08 < mnemoc> i guess... 01:08 < mnemoc> but... 01:08 < daja77> esden: how? 01:08 < esden> daja77: on the machine at the university ... it is not behind a proky 01:08 < esden> I mean proxy 01:08 < daja77> good! 01:09 < esden> I have built svn in my home ... and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly ... and now it runs ... 01:09 < esden> I hope it will not stop with an error ... *pray* 01:09 < mnemoc> 2 months... how will this affect rock2.0? rock-2.0.$release? rock-2.0-$date? rock-2.2? 01:11 < mnemoc> rxr: download/mnemoc/lvs/ipvs-1.0.8.tar.bz2: 41580628 01:11 < daja77> rxr och neee 01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: the 2.0 release will have 2.4 - and you can select 2.{5,6} but this will not be considered release criteria 01:12 < rxr> but a later 2.0.4 or so might update to 2.6 as default ... (I think) 01:12 < rxr> but we have ot se how 2.0 and 2.2 develop 01:12 < rxr> mnemoc: have you redownloaded ? 01:13 < mnemoc> i'm re-downloading it 01:13 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has joined #rocklinux 01:13 < daja77> hmm another ghost 01:14 < tcr> Ok, I'm going sleeping now 01:14 < tcr> gn8 all 01:15 < daja77> tcr: ack, sleep well 01:15 < rxr> my home schillernet.dyndns.org server delivers "92.1 %" suversion data ... 01:15 < daja77> hmm my checkout is over 01:16 < daja77> gn8 everybody 01:16 < rxr> and my gsmp.tfh-berlin.de server delivered: 01:16 < rxr> 3.56 GB yesterday ... 01:17 < rxr> Wow I start to love web stats ;-) 01:17 < esden> rxr: I have to learn more about svn ... so I can create a mirror of it ... 01:17 < esden> or so ... 01:17 < esden> is it possible? 01:17 < rxr> esden: should be fairly simple - just do a bdb hot-backup 01:18 < esden> rxr: kick clifford that he starts doing stats on his webserver ... 01:18 < esden> I want to see rocklinux.org stats 01:18 < rxr> but I'll also mirror the thing to gsmp.tfh-berlin.de 01:18 < esden> good 01:18 < rxr> mnemoc: has your file still the same checksum ? 01:18 < rxr> esden: me too ;-) 01:19 < mnemoc> rxr: got the same cksum that you :( 01:19 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958DD53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 01:19 < daja77> talking about stats there is a strange thing in irc stats 01:20 < daja77> in 5 random urls there is always the some url at first rank 01:21 < daja77> same 01:21 < rxr> mnemoc: ok so I change the checksum ? 01:21 < esden> hmm .. still checking out ... *zZzZ* 01:22 < daja77> so now I am really off 01:22 < esden> n8 daja77 01:24 < mnemoc> rxr: change it :-\ ... how can it be? there is nothing at the web site :( ... i'll diff them 01:26 < rxr> yes please diff them - maybe they silently fixed a bug (some franky people do that sometimes) or they got hacked ? 01:38 < esden> Checked out revision 175. 01:39 < esden> rxr: is that the correct one? 01:40 < mnemoc> rxr: the fix the year on the README :| 01:40 < mnemoc> 1.0.8a? 01:40 < mnemoc> or keeping it as 1.0.8? 01:41 < rxr> esden: svn always checks out the latest revision 01:41 < rxr> this is 175 currently 01:41 < rxr> 1.0.8 should be ok 01:50 < rxr> I'll correct the chksum, ok ? 01:52 < esden> rxr: sure it is ... but it could be that you made a new checkin 01:52 < esden> ok ... I go home sleeping 01:52 < rxr> n8 esden ! 01:53 < mnemoc> rxr, i got this: 3889016756 ... please silently 'update' it *g* 01:53 < rxr> 3889016756 - jups I have this too 01:57 < mnemoc> damn mount -bind :(... i loose my whole tree 01:57 * mnemoc is now depressed 02:00 < mnemoc> do you know any 'undelete' for ext3? 02:02 < rxr> mnemoc: never rm -rf src.* dirs 02:02 < rxr> use the ./scripts/Cleanup for this! 02:02 < rxr> undelets are availble but quite complicated ... 02:03 < mnemoc> snif snif snif 02:07 -!- mnemoc is now known as mnemoc_is_dead 02:08 < mnemoc_is_dead> just to know... reiser was undeleters? 02:09 < mnemoc_is_dead> s/was/has/ 02:19 < rxr> mnemoc_is_dead: no filesystem has usefull undeleters, since no FS is designed for this - so it always is some last data gathering 02:20 < rxr> on uinx you can use some ld-preload lib which does a paer-bag think for all "unlink" calls ... 02:20 < rxr> so /me in bed now cu tomorrow 02:21 < mnemoc_is_dead> gn8 02:29 -!- mnemoc_is_dead is now known as __mnemoc 02:30 < esden> re hi all 02:30 < __mnemoc> hi :| 02:31 < esden> I had to check how far the copying of files to rock-trunk is ... 02:31 < esden> hi __mnemoc ... 02:31 < esden> what is wrong? 02:31 < __mnemoc> esden: are you at deutschland too? 02:31 < esden> yes ... 02:31 < __mnemoc> esden: rm -rf src.* 02:32 < __mnemoc> so... why do you arrive this late? 02:32 < esden> I was here already ... 02:32 < esden> I am still awake because I promissed rxr that I will checkout his tree from svn and build a generic build for testing ... 02:33 < esden> and I had some problems with it due to proxy/svn and stupidity problems 02:33 < esden> I am now waiting till I can start a build ... 02:34 < esden> and what are you doing up so late? 02:36 < __mnemoc> 20:36 here 02:36 < esden> and where are you? 02:37 < __mnemoc> chile 02:38 < __mnemoc> doy ou know where it is? ;-) 02:41 < esden> in chile? can it be? 02:41 < __mnemoc> of course it can be... i live here *g* 02:41 < esden> hehe ;-) 02:42 < esden> I have put you in the gallery ... so I now remember ... 02:42 < esden> Alejandro MP ... sounds like a processor name ;-) 02:42 < __mnemoc> ;) 02:42 < __mnemoc> latin people has to family names 02:43 < __mnemoc> two family names 02:43 < esden> I have also a double surname ... and I am not latin ;-) 02:43 < __mnemoc> yeah??? 02:43 < esden> yes Esden-Tempski 02:43 < __mnemoc> your mother didn't loose her surname? 02:44 < esden> nope that name exists since the 17th century or so 02:44 < esden> or even before ... 02:44 < esden> we could follow the familly till then ... or was it 16th century ... 02:44 < esden> I am not sure 02:45 < __mnemoc> so 'Esden-Tempski' is a composed surname, and not two surnames ;( 02:45 < esden> ack 02:46 < esden> I know that is somewhat different ... 02:46 < __mnemoc> we get one family name from ower father, and a second from ower mother 02:46 < esden> ok ... entry msg for #rocklinux changed 02:47 < __mnemoc> mother: 'maria marta victoria' 'pellegrini' 'ripamonti' father: 'eduardo juan bosco' 'mery' 'berisso' 02:47 < __mnemoc> me: 'alejandro jose' 'mery' 'pellegrini' 02:48 < __mnemoc> like a binary tree ;) 02:48 < esden> yes that looks nice ... 02:49 < __mnemoc> we are so weird that we have between 2 and 5 'first names' :-\ 02:49 < esden> my full name is "Piotr Tomasz Esden-Tempski" in two weeks it will be "Piotr Tomasz Edward Esden-Tempski" 02:49 < __mnemoc> you can choose that third name freely? 02:50 < esden> yes 02:50 * -> esden searching a word to explain why ... 02:51 < __mnemoc> we got the 'full' name when we born... well... the day after that 02:52 < esden> I get confirmated in two weeks ... and I can choose the third name then 02:53 < __mnemoc> you need an specific age for that 'honor'? 02:54 < esden> the first one I got by birth ... the second also chosen by parents when I got baptised 02:54 < esden> yes you need ... 16 years old or so ... but I am 21 now ... 02:55 < esden> I finally decided to do that ... as I regained my faith 02:56 < __mnemoc> so second and third are added when you get a religious stage? 02:57 < __mnemoc> 1:born 2:baptims 3:confirmation* ? 02:57 < esden> yes 02:57 < esden> correct 02:58 < __mnemoc> that's coolest than having two family names ;) 02:59 < esden> ohh ... having two family names is cool too 02:59 < esden> muahaha ... my name would be then : Piotr Tomasz Edward Bej-Belkowski Esden-Tempski 02:59 < esden> that is terribly long 03:00 < __mnemoc> we have composed surnames too... looking that long 03:00 < esden> I have to admit that it is pretty evil ;-) 03:01 < __mnemoc> brb 03:02 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") 03:02 < esden> urgh ... my build box runs at load 4 03:08 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 03:14 < esden> 73 packets ... 03:17 < __mnemoc> re 03:18 < __mnemoc> which target? 03:19 < __mnemoc> i would like to do a 'trusted base' target... hardrock can be 03:27 < esden> I am building generic normally 03:27 < esden> currently building generic and bootdisks targets of a clifford cvs tree checkout 03:31 < __mnemoc> is the name 'dwarf' assigned to something in rock's todo? 03:31 < __mnemoc> could be great for 'apt-get' 03:36 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802B73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:39 < esden> urgh ... load average of 5 ... 03:39 < esden> now 6 03:39 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090B619.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:40 < esden> ok ... running four target builds symultanously is hard ... 03:40 < esden> that is a real stress test for my machine ... 03:40 < esden> I hope she will survive that ... 03:42 < __mnemoc> she will ;-) 03:42 < esden> I hope so ... 03:42 < esden> ok ... now going to sleep ... the builds will take a while ;-) 03:42 < esden> good night 03:42 < __mnemoc> will you get that finished by night? 03:43 < esden> nope ... for sure not 03:43 < __mnemoc> what do u win building 4 at once? 03:43 < esden> in four days or so everything should be complete 03:43 < __mnemoc> 4=fout days, 1<one day? 03:43 < esden> the first build is a generic build that runs since nearly 4 days .. and should be finished this night 03:44 < esden> the second one is a boot disk build and should be finisched by night tomorrow 03:45 < esden> the third build is another generic build but on rene tree ... that will take 4 days or so ... and the 4th build is a bootdisk target for the rene build ... 03:45 < esden> that should be ready in 1 day or so 03:46 < esden> I go sleeping now ... it is 4 o'clock here ... 03:46 < esden> I have to get up at 10 >_< 03:46 < esden> good night 03:46 < __mnemoc> gn8 03:53 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090ACD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:04 < rolla> re 04:04 < __mnemoc> hi 04:04 < rolla> :) 04:05 < rolla> I am going to upgrade one of my boxes to rcok 1.7 :) 04:06 < __mnemoc> why don't you waiting for 2.0? 04:06 < rolla> cause I have a working 1.7 iso I want to use to do 2.0 builds on :) 04:06 < __mnemoc> good idea ;) 04:07 < rolla> yeah that is what I thought :) 04:08 < rolla> is noone else alive here tonight? 04:08 < __mnemoc> esden dies 20 minutes ago 04:08 < rolla> :) 04:09 < rolla> == 21:11:03 =[5]=> Building blindcoder/irssi [0.8.6 1.7-snapshot]. 04:10 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@62.47.202.211] has joined #rocklinux 04:10 < rolla> re n00kie_ 04:11 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M333P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:11 < rolla> bye n00kie_ 04:11 < rolla> why are you up so late __mnemoc ? 04:12 < __mnemoc> different timezone ;) 04:13 < __mnemoc> why are YOU up so late rolla? 04:13 < rolla> what timezone are you in? 04:13 < __mnemoc> -4 ;-) 04:13 < rolla> oh are you in CR? 04:13 < __mnemoc> .CL 04:14 < rolla> CL? 04:14 < __mnemoc> chile 04:14 < rolla> ach so 04:14 < rolla> I am -5 GMT 04:15 < rolla> or -6 GMT depending on time of year :) 04:15 < __mnemoc> us? 04:16 < rolla> ja 04:16 < rolla> you use rock? 04:17 < __mnemoc> trying ;) 04:17 < __mnemoc> the only box i currently have for linux is a p200 :-\ 04:20 < __mnemoc> but i'm 'developing' and building rock there 04:20 < rolla> fun fun 04:21 < rolla> I was using a p-pro 200 04:21 < rolla> but now I have a K6-3 750 :) 04:21 < __mnemoc> much better 04:22 -!- ikeaboy [~trip@cashbox.kazatelna.cz] has quit ("leaving") 04:23 < rolla> yeah 04:24 < rolla> now I am having trouble with the rock boot disk 04:25 < __mnemoc> what kind of trouble? 04:26 < rolla> it cannot load the module for the file system of the cd so it is a bad iso 04:26 < rolla> I am using another 1.7 disk I have 04:27 < __mnemoc> .o file is corrupted on the .iso? 04:27 < rolla> I guess so 04:29 < __mnemoc> :\ 04:30 < rolla> yeah 04:32 < __mnemoc> what iso did you get? (url) 04:35 < rolla> one that was built on that machine by mike 04:40 < __mnemoc> haven't seen mike talking today... byt rock 1.7 i almost 100% stable, so a new iso will born this weekend ;-) 04:41 < rolla> he is sick today 04:43 < rolla> I was having trouble with building 1.7 on a 1.5.17 system so I need a base 1.7 system to build iso's from 04:46 < __mnemoc> www.rocklinux.org is down? 04:46 < __mnemoc> (dns) 04:47 < __mnemoc> i mean... out of service ;-) 04:47 < rolla> hmmm 04:47 < __mnemoc> does it shows you what it should? 04:47 < rolla> looks fine to me 04:47 < __mnemoc> mmm... 04:48 < __mnemoc> dammit 04:48 < __mnemoc> INFO: Auto-detecting best mirror ... 04:48 < __mnemoc> INFO: Downloading mirror-list from www.rocklinux.org. 04:48 < __mnemoc> INFO: No Mirror Found! 04:49 < rolla> oh I tried the website 04:49 < rolla> you mean ftp is down? 04:50 < __mnemoc> i guess mirror list is fetched by http 04:50 < rolla> what is the cvs module name for 2.0 beta? 04:51 < __mnemoc> rock-src-1.7 04:51 < __mnemoc> btw, i use rene's svn 04:51 < rolla> ::) 04:51 < rolla> no no there is another cvs module name 04:52 < __mnemoc> :( 04:52 < __mnemoc> svn's module is rock-trunk 04:53 < __mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.de/ <-- can you see it? 04:56 < rolla> hmm 04:56 < rolla> doesn't look like it 04:57 < __mnemoc> virtual domain is on strike :( 04:59 < rolla> yup 04:59 < rolla> do you network / numbers? 04:59 < __mnemoc> i don't get you 04:59 < __mnemoc> i dont get it ;) 04:59 < __mnemoc> my english sucks 04:59 < rolla> I have a netmask of 255.255.255.248 05:00 < rolla> what would my 192.168.2.0/NM be ? 05:00 < __mnemoc> 29? 05:01 < rolla> thanks 05:01 < rolla> that was right 05:01 < __mnemoc> :D 05:04 < rolla> soon my new rock box should be up it is booting for the first time :) 05:05 < __mnemoc> what about the fs? 05:06 < rolla> reiserfs 05:07 < rolla> it crapped out need to edit a file :( 05:08 < __mnemoc> :1 05:08 < __mnemoc> have you used uml? 05:10 < rolla> nope 05:21 < rolla> crap this thing is a bear to configure :( 05:22 < rolla> no perl :( 05:30 < __mnemoc> doh 05:32 < rolla> yeah that package is missing from this iso :( 05:32 < rolla> nothing but broken ISO I tell you 05:32 < __mnemoc> iirc perl was broken some weeks ago 05:33 < rolla> yeah 05:33 < rolla> oh well i have network so I am downloading and buildin perl 06:04 -!- capchaos_ [~capchaos@dclient80-218-41-225.hispeed.ch] has joined #rocklinux 06:04 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dclient80-218-41-225.hispeed.ch] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:58 -!- Mike1-home [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:59 < Mike1-home> re. 06:59 < Mike1-home> anyone awake? 07:02 -!- Mike1-home [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has quit (Client Quit) 08:08 -!- brainach1 [~brainache@pD9EBEFED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:17 -!- brainache [~brainache@pD9EBF024.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:34 -!- brainach1 [~brainache@pD9EBEFED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:50 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@M117P017.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:55 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F7D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:55 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FB34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD9E4F7D8.dip.t-dialin.net))) 08:55 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 09:12 < n00kie_> daja77, Mike1: Who did I flood? 09:31 -!- freed [~chuck@pD9001EBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:44 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p508028C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:47 < _NULL_> morning *yawn 09:53 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@M117P017.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:09 < esden> good morning yawn 10:11 < blindcoder> moin 10:11 < blindcoder> esden: already got something for Mother's Day tomorrow? 10:11 < _NULL_> hi esden 10:12 < _NULL_> it is tomorrow? oh shit... 10:12 < blindcoder> yes, it is 10:12 < _NULL_> *cough* thx. 10:13 < blindcoder> I've drawn a small outline Image of Kerberos and written "Omedetougozaimasu" (Congratulations) in Hiragane in a half circle above him 10:14 < blindcoder> that will get decorated with a small "Pralinen schachtel" tomorrow morning 10:14 < blindcoder> s/Hiragane/Hiragana/ 10:17 < blindcoder> ah, mum is back with my car 10:17 < blindcoder> okay, I'm shopping now (awong other things :) 10:17 < blindcoder> baba 10:18 < _NULL_> bye blindcoder 10:24 < netrunner> moinmoin 10:25 < _NULL_> hi netrunner 10:26 * netrunner washed away the remainigs of alc with lots of coffee :) 10:33 < rxr> re 10:34 < _NULL_> hi rxr 10:35 < rxr> Yes, finally down to 21 errors: 10:35 < rxr> 677 builds total, 656 completed fine, 21 with errors. 10:36 < _NULL_> congrats, rxr 10:47 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082BFB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:47 < Be-El> hi ppl 10:51 < _NULL_> hi Be-El 10:55 < Be-El> does anyone can tell me about the current state of the cvs ? i haven't received update for about a week 10:55 < Be-El> and i don't want to switch over to subversion at this moment 11:04 * netrunner found a big bug yesterday. 11:04 < netrunner> like 40cm long. of chocolate. :) 11:06 < Be-El> netrunner: sounds like a rare species....you should to some tests with it, like tasting its flavour 11:09 < netrunner> be-el: unlikely. its for my mom tomorrow :) 11:13 -!- cOdEz [~codez@p5090547D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:13 < _NULL_> omg... drink more coffee, netrunner :p 11:13 < _NULL_> hi cOdEz 11:14 < Be-El> bbl 11:14 -!- Be-El is now known as BL|away 11:14 < cOdEz> ho _NULL_ 11:18 -!- brainache [~brainache@pD9EBF57F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:30 < daja77> re 11:35 < rxr> re 11:36 < rxr> BL|away: yes - cliff just applied 240kB of patches ... 11:37 < daja77> moin rxr 11:38 < rxr> moin daja77 11:42 < daja77> rxr: I updated to rev 178 this morning, which files I must delete to be sure, broken packages are disturbed by ealier errors? 11:44 < rxr> daja77: you mean shared files issues ? 11:45 < daja77> yes something like, I get unregistered file errors with cups 11:45 < daja77> btw I removed the flists files 11:46 < rxr> unregsitered files ? 11:46 < daja77> mom I'll boot the machine, and tell you details 11:47 < rxr> daja77: I'm off in some seconds ... :-( 11:47 < rxr> but I'm sure you'll find out ,) 11:48 < rxr> daja77: btw. will you be at today's officla evening chat? 11:49 < daja77> until now nothing stops me to do so 11:49 < rxr> I won't be able to attend ... - I hope esden and you can tell some usefull things - especially when huebi or so starts to tell strange stuff ... 11:49 < _NULL_> O_o 11:49 < daja77> O_o why should he tell strange stuff? 11:50 < rxr> because of this 1.5 mess or so - just a fealing ... 11:50 < rxr> daja77: ok nice - I'll off for an hours - cu later 11:50 < _NULL_> (e.g. that 1.6 is stable... :p) 11:50 < rxr> yeah e.g. 11:50 < rxr> cu 11:50 < _NULL_> bye rxr. have fun 11:51 < daja77> damn now he is away again *grml* 11:51 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@62.47.202.211] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:09 < daja77> oh no 40 mails on the list... 12:10 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M340P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 12:40 < BL|away> re 12:40 -!- BL|away is now known as Be-El 12:40 < daja77> re Be-El 12:41 < Be-El> finally....a cvs update 12:42 < Be-El> and a chance to test my new maintance system :-) 12:49 < daja77> cu later guys and gals ;) 12:54 < netrunner> what is cc1 used to be? (-> Building tools.chroot/wrapper/cmd_wrapper. \n cc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1': No such file or directory) 12:56 < Be-El> netrunner: cc1 is the name of the c-compiler executable 13:01 < rxr> re 13:02 < rxr> Be-El: yes a cvs update - and now subversin and cvs are nearly in sync ... 13:03 < rxr> Be-El: why don't you use the stable subversion tree to get changes earlier ? 13:03 < Be-El> may currently used system was build 2-3 month ago....no clean bdb.... 13:03 < Be-El> s/may/my/ 13:03 < Be-El> that's why i'm trying to get a full, stable build to reinstall it 13:04 < rxr> Be-El: you can build subversion yourself (simply ./configuare make make install) 13:04 < Be-El> but i am lazy ;-) 13:04 < rxr> you'll get a working server-side-less svn client without the need of bdb ... 13:05 < Be-El> and currently i'm busy with some perl script to maintain build tree 13:05 < netrunner> Be-El: so I shoud ln -s cc cc1 somewhere? 13:06 < Be-El> netrunner: 'cc' should be a symlink to gcc, the gnu compiler suite start wrapper 13:06 < Be-El> netrunner: and this wrapper handles cc1, cc1obj, cc1plus etc. internally 13:07 < Be-El> netrunner: 'cc' is used a the compiler executable name for a number of commercial compilers, so it should exists in (nearly) every unix system 13:07 < rxr> netrunner: nope! 13:07 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/gcc3:gcc3: usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.2/cc1 13:07 < rxr> Be-El: cc1 != cc 13:08 < Be-El> rxr: i know...cc is the start wrapper, e.g. so sun's workshop compiler, several alpha compilers etc. 13:09 < Be-El> it's just a name that is commonly used for "this is the c-compiler", independent whether it is gcc or some other compiler 13:09 < netrunner> rxr: but Build-Target obviously can not find any cc1. I have one in build/bla/tools.cross and one in build/bla/root/... 13:09 < netrunner> rxr: how does he now which to use, is there a file list? 13:10 < rxr> netrunner: sorry I have no time in the next hour to dig into this ... 13:10 < rxr> netrunner: grep the scripts ... 13:10 < netrunner> rxr: np. 13:25 < esden> good morning everyone ... 13:25 < esden> finally ... sigh 13:32 < _NULL_> hi esden 13:35 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:35 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 13:36 < _NULL_> someone knows the number of the "freischalte/t-d1-service-center"? 13:37 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ 13:37 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 1.5/1.6 is depricated please use 1.7/2.0 instead : ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( clifford 1.7 tree: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7; rxr 2.0 tree: svn co https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/ ) 13:37 -!- Topic set by esden [Fri May 9 01:09:26 2003] 13:37 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join 13:37 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now 13:38 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now 13:39 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk All german speaking JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now 13:39 < _NULL_> O_o 13:40 <@esden> _NULL_: what is? 13:40 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk All german speaking JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( clifford 1.7 tree: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7; rxr 2.0 tree: svn co https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/ ) 13:41 <@esden> good 13:41 <@esden> that should be ok now 13:41 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden 13:41 < _NULL_> you're in topic-changing mood 13:41 < esden> no _NULL_ I had to do that ... 13:42 < esden> requested by Jocelin 13:42 < _NULL_> ok... 13:43 < _NULL_> gnaaaaa. t-d1 suckz 14:16 < netrunner> esden: ich habe schon einen in build/bla/root/lib... und build/bla/tools.cross/... 14:17 < netrunner> s/(*)/\/msg $1/ 14:19 -!- george [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:21 -!- devilz [~d3vilz@pD9E27439.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:29 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 14:29 -!- capchaos_ is now known as capchaos 14:44 -!- sch0rsch [squid@p50883192.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:44 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: sch0rsch!squid@p50883192.dip.t-dialin.net))) 14:44 -!- sch0rsch is now known as ge0rg 14:59 * -> esden -> off for dancing 14:59 < esden> I will be back for the talk 15:00 < _NULL_> have fun esden 15:09 < praenti> hi 15:09 < _NULL_> hi praenti 15:09 < _NULL_> <-- feels like a bot (hi. have fun. bye.) *sigh* 15:27 < praenti> ok i leave now. will see when i can be online today evening. must do some driver jobs for two people who run "halbmarathon" 15:28 < daja77> hmmm I thought _NULL_ is a bot *ggg* 15:29 < daja77> re 15:29 < _NULL_> daja77: *kick* :p 15:29 < _NULL_> wb 15:30 < daja77> thx, just kidding 15:30 < _NULL_> i know 15:30 < daja77> otherwise I would be dead... 15:31 < _NULL_> full ack 15:31 < daja77> ;) 15:34 < daja77> hmm does it mean CET or CEST? 15:36 < _NULL_> CEST 15:36 < daja77> very good 15:37 < daja77> _NULL_: do you join that talk 15:37 < _NULL_> why should i? 15:38 < daja77> dunno, I just ask 15:38 < daja77> hmm wtf is rootboard 15:38 < _NULL_> dunno 15:45 < daja77> this wheater is depressing 15:46 < snyke> yes 15:46 < snyke> pure sun... terrible 15:47 < daja77> sun, no 15:47 < snyke> what is your weather? 15:48 < daja77> cloudy but warm moisty air 15:53 < daja77> hi snyke btw 15:54 < snyke> ah 15:56 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9522168.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:02 -!- george [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit ("Client Exiting") 16:10 -!- lowks_ [~lowks@219.93.24.31] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:19 -!- devilz [~d3vilz@pD9E27439.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 16:20 < Be-El> re 16:36 < rolla> re 16:41 -!- Be-El is now known as BL|perl 17:15 -!- devilz [~d3vilz@pD9E27439.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:15 -!- BL|perl [be-el@p5082BFB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:23 -!- devilz [~d3vilz@pD9E27439.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:26 -!- devilz [~d3vilz@pD9E27439.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:29 -!- devilz [~d3vilz@pD9E27439.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 17:29 < daja77> *argh* 17:37 -!- devilz [~d3vilz@pD9E27439.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:38 < daja77> devilz: are you here? 17:38 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E793BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:38 < devilz> daja77: sure 17:39 < daja77> could you stop this quitting and rejoining please 17:39 < daja77> hi martin 17:39 < martin> hi daja77, hi all 17:39 -!- cOdEz [~codez@p5090547D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:41 < daja77> hmm rocklinux-talk is filling... ;) 17:45 < __mnemoc> today is the day? 17:46 < daja77> __mnemoc: what? 17:46 < __mnemoc> how much can take the translation? 17:47 < daja77> dunno, depends on how long the talk is 17:47 < __mnemoc> 8pm->12pm? 17:47 < daja77> their is no limitation in jocelyn's announcement 17:47 < daja77> hi __mnemoc btw 17:47 < daja77> there 17:48 < __mnemoc> hi daja77 :) ... how is rtai going? 17:49 < daja77> ahem maybe I release later that day depend s on how my other projects progress ;) 17:50 < daja77> the package already compiles 17:52 -!- devilz [~d3vilz@pD9E27439.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:52 -!- _NULL_ [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ("leaving") 17:53 -!- _NULL_ [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:53 < _NULL_> re 17:53 < daja77> wb _NULL_ 17:53 < _NULL_> thx 18:06 < rolla> re 18:06 < n00kie_> wb _NULL_ 18:06 < daja77> hi rolla 18:07 < daja77> hello n00kie_ 18:07 < n00kie_> Hola daja77 :) 18:07 < n00kie_> Comó esta usted? ;) 18:07 < daja77> n00kie_: I am not spanish, remember? 18:08 < n00kie_> yep 18:08 < n00kie_> But you can try :) 18:08 < _NULL_> hi rolla , n00kie_ 18:08 < daja77> mir geht es gut, danke 18:09 < n00kie_> Muy bien, gracias le, y? 18:09 < n00kie_> You should write this :) 18:09 < daja77> rolla: #19 ;) 18:09 * n00kie_ constantly learning spanish. ;) 18:14 < __mnemoc> i would love to learn deutsch 18:14 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD9E092EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:14 < daja77> __mnemoc: ;) 18:14 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD9E092EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 18:15 < __mnemoc> it's too strange... reeealy long words and you said the numbers backward :( 18:15 * n00kie_ is seeing guys talking #rocklinux-talk 18:17 < daja77> __mnemoc: *lool* 18:18 * __mnemoc , the german speaker 18:25 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082BFB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:25 < Be-El> re 18:25 < n00kie_> wb Be-El 18:25 < daja77> re Be-El 18:35 -!- Be-El is now known as BL|away 18:36 -!- rygar [~rygar@p508E8782.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:36 -!- rygar [~rygar@p508E8782.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #rocklinux () 18:37 * n00kie_ things daja77 is the greetbot. ;) 18:37 < n00kie_> thinks 18:38 < daja77> yeah cos _NULL_ is too0 lazy today for thos :PP 18:38 < daja77> this even 18:39 < n00kie_> _NULL_ is the laziest boy on earth :) 18:39 < daja77> *rofl* 18:39 < daja77> don't tell her... 18:39 < n00kie_> her? ;) 18:40 < daja77> yes you _still_ don't knoe it *ggg* 18:40 < n00kie_> And daja77 is the BF of her? :p 18:41 < daja77> no! 18:41 < n00kie_> i guess, you are. ;) 18:41 < daja77> you guess wrong 18:42 < n00kie_> No, I don't ;) 18:42 < n00kie_> hehe 18:42 -!- moep [~moep@pD9E80EC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:42 < n00kie_> moep: #rocklinux-talk 18:42 < n00kie_> :) 18:42 < moep> k thx (: 18:44 < daja77> _NULL_: you mighjt kick n00kie if you please 18:44 < n00kie_> No. 18:44 < n00kie_> daja77 is a bad guy. 18:44 < n00kie_> He wants to kick me. 18:44 < _NULL_> n00kie_: EEEEH!!! *kick* i'm female! 18:45 < _NULL_> and - daja77 is not my bf 18:45 < _NULL_> but why the hell should i be lazy? 18:45 < daja77> ack 18:46 < daja77> _NULL_: cos it is your job to say hi to the people *ggg* 18:46 < n00kie_> _NULL_ coz Mike1 said it. ;) 18:46 < _NULL_> <-- doing LFS... , so i can't be lzay :p (and my own distro) 18:46 < daja77> yeah I know 18:46 * n00kie_ thought about Dev_NULL_ Linux. :) 18:47 < daja77> n00kie_: please let her alnoen 18:47 < daja77> alone, damn it 18:48 < n00kie_> alright. 18:48 < netrunner> daja: hey, you're not alone :) 18:48 < netrunner> daja: if you have to much time, you could give me a hint with my problem ... 18:48 < daja77> netrunner: *gg* 18:49 < n00kie_> daja77 never has to much time. 18:49 < n00kie_> He must greet. ;) 18:49 < _NULL_> daja77: why should he leave me alone? 18:49 < _NULL_> .oO(*grml* i'm hating isdn) 18:50 * n00kie_ would give his ADSL Trafficflat for a ISDN Flat. 18:50 < daja77> _NULL_: ahem he shouldn't tease you too much, so that you don't explode today 18:50 < daja77> n00kie_: ??????? 18:50 < _NULL_> there's nothing like a isdn-flat... but dial-up... 18:50 < _NULL_> daja77: hrm. yeah. could be true... 18:51 * _NULL_ np: slipknot - people = shit (once again) 19:01 < Mike1> moin all. 19:01 < __mnemoc> wb Mike1 19:01 < n00kie_> wb Mike1 :) 19:02 < __mnemoc> Mike1: rolla was unsuccessfuly trying your iso 19:02 < Mike1> thanks :) 19:02 < Mike1> __mnemoc: mm.. what did he exactly said about it? 19:03 < __mnemoc> an fs module was corrupt and no perl 19:04 < daja77> lol no perl drives rolla crazy :) 19:08 < Mike1> __mnemoc: no perl? on which iso? i created an iso for him this week and it had perl 19:09 < __mnemoc> that's what just what he said :( 19:10 < Mike1> __mnemoc: very strange.. 19:10 < __mnemoc> he had to download and build it locally 19:11 < Mike1> mm... 19:11 < Mike1> __mnemoc: very strange 19:11 -!- BL|away is now known as Be-El 19:11 < Be-El> re 19:11 < __mnemoc> hi BL 19:12 < __mnemoc> Mike1: i'm trying to add UML as an architecture... any important issue i had to know? 19:12 -!- megamimi [~dackel@p5083DCC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:12 -!- Octopuce [1000@ALille-201-1-4-47.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:13 < Mike1> UML target you mean? 19:13 < __mnemoc> using architecture/*/download.txt and it's parse-config 19:13 < Mike1> mmm... why as an arch? 19:13 < Mike1> i am working on a User Mode Linux target 19:13 < Mike1> __mnemoc: btw is UML = User Mode Linux for you ? 19:14 < __mnemoc> yep 19:14 < Mike1> why would you add it as an arch and not as a target? 19:14 < __mnemoc> i have used it just over x86.... is it different over other archs? 19:14 < Mike1> well i am not sure, i have never really had the chance to use on others than x86 19:14 < Mike1> but i wouldn't think of adding it as an arch but as a target 19:15 < __mnemoc> i haven't looked it deeply but make menuconfig ARCH=um looks like a pseudo-architecture 19:15 < daja77> Mike1: ack choose uml target and dest arch 19:15 < __mnemoc> doing it as an architecture we could use any target over UML 19:16 < __mnemoc> a UM machine is *not* multiplatform? 19:17 < Mike1> mm... your concept sounds pretty interesting 19:18 < __mnemoc> we could add uml-tools and skan optionaly to any target for hosting uml machines 19:18 < __mnemoc> and build any config to run under it 19:20 < __mnemoc> the other reason to include download.txt to architectures is in patching ALL kernels to make PPC stable ;) 19:23 < Mike1> mm... 19:23 < Mike1> so it would become quite handy to have UML as an arch and also as target... 19:23 < __mnemoc> tell somehitng :( 19:23 < Mike1> sorry for the lag my boss was asking mew something 19:23 < Mike1> :) 19:24 < daja77> mooo 19:24 < __mnemoc> 'real' work is first :D 19:24 < __mnemoc> mooo? daja77 is a cow? 19:25 < daja77> __mnemoc: sure a mad cow :pp 19:25 < __mnemoc> hehe 19:25 < Mike1> __mnemoc: mooo was the greeting used by the member of the Mathilda cult team 19:25 < Mike1> __mnemoc: you were not here when that existed 19:26 -!- chaosmaster [~niko@dsl-213-023-141-005.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:26 < __mnemoc> writing down... mooo=greeting 19:26 < _NULL_> hi chaosmaster 19:26 < n00kie_> hola chaosmaster :-) 19:26 < __mnemoc> hi chaos 19:27 < chaosmaster> hi, n00kie and all - hdd still down? 19:27 < n00kie_> yep chaosmaster 19:45 -!- george [~jsaw@p3EE1E295.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:46 < george> hallole 19:46 < chaosmaster> hallo 19:46 -!- george [~jsaw@p3EE1E295.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 19:46 < daja77> argh shit 19:47 < esden> daja77: ??? 19:47 < daja77> george could have joined #rocklinux-talk as well 19:47 < chaosmaster> goood! 19:48 < daja77> he is there, good 19:48 < snyke> memememememme 19:48 < snyke> EMEEEE 19:48 < snyke> MEEEEEEee 19:48 < snyke> ouch 19:48 < chaosmaster> snyke: me what? 19:48 < snyke> no 19:48 < snyke> #rocklinux-talk 19:48 < snyke> ;) 19:48 < chaosmaster> ja, dann komm 19:48 * snyke sitting next to esden 19:48 < snyke> :) 19:48 < snyke> har 19:56 -!- miret [~miret@dialin-145-254-096-147.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:58 < daja77> miret: do you want to join #rocklinux-talk? 19:58 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M370P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:58 < miret> yes 19:59 < n00kie> re 19:59 < daja77> miret: do so! 20:00 -!- miret [~miret@dialin-145-254-096-147.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4") 20:06 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49CCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:06 < _NULL_> hi tcr 20:07 < _NULL_> tcr: #rocklinux-talk 20:07 < daja77> cool with radio stream 20:07 * n00kie without any Soundcard 20:08 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9588DDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:08 < tsa> hi all 20:08 < tcr> moin all 20:08 < daja77> tsa: join #rocklinux-talk 20:08 < n00kie> Heya tsa 20:09 < _NULL_> hi tsa 20:09 < Be-El> moin tsa 20:09 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M340P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Connection timed out) 20:09 < tcr> Who will translate it? I'd principally do it.. 20:14 < tcr> Ping 20:14 * Mike1 hides with the rest of the people 20:14 < daja77> tcr: dunno let's talk about that later 20:14 < tcr> moin Mike1 20:14 < chaosmaster> daja77: hier nix - nur talk! 20:14 < tcr> ? 20:15 < daja77> chaosmaster: :p 20:15 < chaosmaster> mv * /dev/rocklinux-talk 20:15 < Mike1> hi tcr 20:16 < tcr> Muhah! chaosmaster, ain't you multitask capable?! You damn DOS luser!! ;) 20:16 < chaosmaster> hahaha! 20:16 < daja77> lol 20:17 < daja77> anyway I can talk wherever I want 20:17 < chaosmaster> and any lang you want :) 20:19 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@M119P030.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:20 < daja77> chaosmaster: nope english here 20:21 < chaosmaster> sayonara, daja77 san. 20:21 < __mnemoc> hehe 20:21 < daja77> ?? 20:21 < chaosmaster> i'm just taking some japanese lessons .... 20:22 < daja77> good for you 20:22 < _NULL_> chaosmaster: anime/manga-fan? 20:22 < chaosmaster> jeps! 20:22 < daja77> lol 20:22 < _NULL_> hehe ;))) 20:23 < _NULL_> do you know - blame, blade, fake? 20:23 < daja77> blindcoder 20:24 < _NULL_> daja77: ??? 20:24 < daja77> blindcoder <-- anime fan 20:24 < chaosmaster> good 2 know 20:44 -!- varg [varg@p5080AAB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:44 < chaosmaster> hello 20:44 < chaosmaster> would you like 2 join the german talk? 20:45 -!- Aska [2987-ident@p50887467.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:45 < Aska> hi 20:45 < chaosmaster> hi 20:45 < _NULL_> hi Aska 20:45 < Aska> hi n00kie! 20:46 < daja77> varg, Aska please join #rocklinux-talk ;) 20:46 < n00kie> Hola Aska 20:46 < n00kie> #rocklinux-talk 20:47 < tcr> Ok, people I don't want to translate it. Too much *bg* 20:48 < daja77> tcr: maybe I can help 20:48 -!- varg [varg@p5080AAB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Client Quit) 20:48 < Mike1> tcr: you already volunteered to do it, its to late to change ur mind 20:48 < daja77> hehehe 20:48 < daja77> Mike1: do you understand #rocklinux-talk 20:49 < Mike1> daja77: now you have offered yourself to do it with tcr so you can't change your mind 20:49 < Mike1> daja77: lets say i get 30 - 40% of it :(( 20:49 < daja77> better than nothing, right? 20:49 < Mike1> daja77: yeah 20:50 < Mike1> hopefully you will be there on the Spanish talk :) 20:50 < tcr> Mike1 is teh a pwn! 20:50 < Mike1> i know n00kie will join us for sure 20:50 < Mike1> tcr: why? 20:50 < tcr> Mike1: Well, not when spanish people write as fast as they talk! ;) 20:51 < n00kie> yes Mike1 :) 20:51 < tcr> Mike1: Well, You german seems to be better than I've expected it 20:52 < Mike1> tcr: is it bad? 20:52 < tcr> Mike1: No, but _I_ can hardly follow it ;) So I thought you're doomed to fail at it 20:52 < Mike1> lol 20:52 < Mike1> tcr: so show us some of your spanish 20:53 < chaosmaster> paelia 20:53 < Mike1> lol 20:53 < Mike1> chaosmaster: Paella :) 20:53 < chaosmaster> ups! ;) ich unwissender .... 20:53 < n00kie> I've got a good spanish teacher :) 20:54 < n00kie> Called Mike1 20:54 < Mike1> chaosmaster: no, just a little typo 20:54 < _NULL_> hehe ;) 20:54 < Mike1> n00kie: hehe 20:54 < tcr> Mike1: I chose french instead spanish two years ago... Though I'm a latin crack, and thus I understand a bit when reading it 20:54 < chaosmaster> Mike1: thanks! 20:54 * _NULL_ needs to improve her spanish till june, too 20:54 < daja77> _NULL_: why? 20:54 < Mike1> sure you guys have one moneht to become fluent in spanish 20:54 < Mike1> so hurry up 20:54 * Mike1 *vbeg* 20:54 < _NULL_> daja77: because i will be in spain for about two weeks 20:55 < _NULL_> Mike1: blllllll :p 20:55 < daja77> _NULL_: ah yes 20:55 < Mike1> _NULL_: there will be a rock linux spanish talk in june also, will you join us? 20:55 < _NULL_> Mike1: nope. 20:55 < Mike1> _NULL_: ! 20:56 < _NULL_> <-- will be lazy and drive trough mallorca and so on 20:56 < Mike1> _NULL_: as n00kie stated you are always too lazy 20:56 < Mike1> == 06:02:16 =[5]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.3.99.2 1.7-snapshot]. 20:56 < Mike1> == 05/10/03 06:53:39 =[5]=> Finished building package xfree86. 20:56 < _NULL_> Mike1: *kick* 20:56 < Mike1> geez 50 minutes building xfree86 20:57 < Mike1> this is slow >_< :(( 20:58 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@M119P030.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Connection timed out) 21:00 < netrunner> Mike: nobody breaks my 9h glibc :) 21:00 < Mike1> netrunner: urrgss! 21:00 < Mike1> netrunner: it takes 20 minutes to build here :) 21:00 < daja77> netrunner: why did you use a 286 21:00 < netrunner> Mike: do you have a smp box? 21:01 < Mike1> netrunner: hehe yes :) 21:01 < netrunner> daja: p3-500 21:01 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk All german speaking JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( clifford 1.7 tree: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7; rxr 2.0 tree: svn co https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/ ) 21:01 -!- Topic set by esden [Sat May 10 13:40:55 2003] 21:01 < netrunner> mike: what setup? (I need a new build box :) 21:01 * Mike1 has 3 smp boxes to play with 21:01 < netrunner> mike: so what do you recommend? 21:01 < Mike1> netrunner: Box 1: 2x450mhz P2 512mb RAM 21:02 < Mike1> netrunner: Box 2: 2x1500mhz Athlon MP 1024MB RAM 21:03 < Mike1> netrunner: Box 3: 4x2400 Xeon 4096mb RAM 21:03 < Mike1> but box 3 is currently bene used for another thing so cant build rock on it :( 21:04 < netrunner> mike: oh, 4x xeon will probably be to expensive for me :) 21:04 < Mike1> netrunner: and there is my home box which is 2x1700 mhz Atlon XP + 512mb ram 21:04 < netrunner> mike: if box2 needs <1h for xfree, this will suffice I think :) 21:04 < Mike1> netrunner: get a dual 2400 Athlon xp, it will do the trick to you 21:05 < netrunner> mike: I read on the web that athlon mp does not always work ... bur those comments were rather old. has that changed? 21:05 < n00kie> Mike1: I would have box 3 :) 21:05 < Mike1> n00kie: hehe 21:05 < chaosmaster> Mike1: pls join sparc discussion in talk 21:05 < netrunner> nookie: i have boxes like this at work, but they run the wrong os :) 21:06 < n00kie> ehehe 21:06 < n00kie> Box 1: 1*P1 120MHz, Box 2: 1*Celeron 500, Box 3: 1*Athlon XP 2300 21:07 < netrunner> oh, the total # of boxes is 10 (currently powered on: 5) here :) 21:07 < netrunner> but half of them is _way_ out of discussion for a build machine :) 21:07 < netrunner> (oldest is an 8086 portable with 8MHz and 2x2,5" DD drives) 21:07 < Mike1> chaosmaster: damn my german is too lame o help the guy 21:08 < Mike1> i need a translator 21:08 < n00kie> Mike1: 21:08 < n00kie> Should I translate? 21:08 < netrunner> mike: i could try, whom? 21:08 < chaosmaster> thats sad - as his eng is also poor 21:08 < Mike1> yes please help me guys 21:08 < Mike1> chaosmaster: i understand a bit but to answer is another story :( 21:09 < chaosmaster> im just asking if he wishes more contact 21:10 < netrunner> seems not to be neccessary any more ... 21:14 < Mike1> many querys for me 21:14 * Mike1 driving cr4azy 21:15 < daja77> lol, poor Mike1 21:16 < chaosmaster> there are 35 ppl asking <scream> 21:16 < Mike1> chaosmaster: it is a nightmare for you now think of someone understanding less than 40% of the questions 21:16 < daja77> *aargh* 21:17 < chaosmaster> Mike1: but its nice, you try it anyway! there's less traffic on the list, but hopefully some of them will arrive there 21:18 < Mike1> yes if we manage to get 2 or 3 users from thisd talk it will be a success 21:19 < Mike1> even if wer only get 1 user 21:19 < chaosmaster> :) 21:19 < chaosmaster> but please 1 active user, even if he reports "it doesnt work for me" - we neeed more feedback 21:19 < Mike1> chaosmaster: after this german talk spanish talk will come and so it will happen with other langs 21:20 < Mike1> so its cool :) 21:20 < daja77> ack 21:20 < chaosmaster> Mike1: i dont speek spanish, but can offer polish and "japanese" ;) 21:21 < Mike1> chaosmaster: so you and esden speak polish i feela polish talk comming soon :) 21:21 < Mike1> an english talk should be offered to sometime 21:21 < chaosmaster> that possible all the time, as rocklinux is online and the ml is also there 21:22 < Mike1> chaosmaster: yes, but i mean it as a PR thing to bring more people 21:22 < Mike1> :) 21:23 < chaosmaster> of course, PR is always good 21:24 < Mike1> this talks idea is something that i like very much 21:24 < daja77> Mike1: ack 21:24 < chaosmaster> we can reach more ppl by this and maybe its not so hard to ask question among other newbies 21:32 < netrunner> chaosmaster: I also speak some words polish: pivo, motek (uh, I said speak, not spell ;) 21:32 < chaosmaster> yes, its ok - you will at least get drunken and than hammered to death ;) 21:34 < netrunner> chaos: I also remember that girl teaching me 'do not kiss', but I can not remember this one as it has not been important to me ;) 21:35 < chaosmaster> nie caluj 21:36 < netrunner> ah :) well - it's not been that essential :) 21:36 < chaosmaster> i know - you wouldnt need that 21:37 < netrunner> and I created my own cussword with the help of a dictionairy, sounds like 'jaiko na mienko' (should mean sth like soft egg, the german 'weichei' ;) 21:38 < netrunner> they polish guys here soon started to use it :) 22:19 < Mike1> 1530 builds total, 417 completed fine, 7 with errors. 22:19 < rxr> re 22:19 < Mike1> rxr ! 22:19 < Mike1> welcome back :) 22:19 < martin> hi rxr 22:19 < Mike1> rxr join #rocklinux-talk 22:19 < daja77> ack, I need a pause 22:20 < Mike1> daja77: a pause? what for? 22:20 < daja77> to fetch a pizza 22:20 < Mike1> lazy boy 22:20 < daja77> lazy sorry it is 22:20 and I had no dinner 22:21 < Mike1> :)) 22:21 < Mike1> daja77: ok you are allowe dto eat 22:21 < Mike1> :P 22:21 < daja77> Mike1: thank you very much, you are so nice to me... 22:22 < Mike1> of course 22:22 < Mike1> i am always nice 22:22 < Mike1> :P 22:22 < daja77> Mike1: go to woden and report :p 22:22 < Mike1> i did 22:23 < Mike1> daja77: but no one is talking 22:24 < rxr> is there something usefull on the -talk ? I currently see nothing interesting 22:25 < rxr> is there a log ? 22:25 < daja77> rxr: yeah the bsd guys are totally annoying 22:25 < tcr> Well, as usual ;))) 22:26 < daja77> tcr: yeah 22:26 < tcr> There must be a school for them that teachs them about arrogance and annoyance of linux users ;))) 22:26 < daja77> tcr: the best thing is that one of them blames me for intolerance on another chan 22:27 < rxr> is there a log? 22:27 < rxr> esden: are you here? do you have a log ? 22:27 < tcr> Well, Already too narrow-minded to see their narrow-mindness ;) That also got a special psychologic term, that I'm not aware of though 22:27 < daja77> esden is away 22:27 < tcr> rxr: Esden logs, but he went away 22:29 < daja77> this discussion sucks 22:29 < Mike1> daja77: ? 22:29 < tcr> daja77: Hmm? 22:29 < daja77> I'll tell you later get some food first 22:30 -!- cOdEz [~codez@p5090776C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:30 < cOdEz> hi 22:30 < tcr> Moin 22:30 < daja77> hi cOdEz 22:31 < cOdEz> und wie laeuft der chat? 22:32 < __mnemoc> cOdEz: english please 22:33 < cOdEz> kk 22:33 < cOdEz> everbody here enjoy the talk? 22:34 < _NULL_> dennis == cOdEz ? 22:35 < cOdEz> no 22:35 < cOdEz> cOdEz == cOdEz 22:35 < _NULL_> ok... 22:35 < cOdEz> :) 22:35 < rxr> strange chat ... 22:36 < tcr> rxr: You came to the wrong point of time, maybe that's it! ;) 22:36 < rxr> tcr: hm - I'll read the log later ... 22:36 < __mnemoc> how will translate these 5 hours? 22:36 < n00kie> esden 22:37 < tcr> __mnemoc: By cutting most off. Picking out the questions and the answers 22:37 < Mike1> __mnemoc: tcr and daja77 so kindly volunteered to translate it all. 22:37 < n00kie> ah 22:37 < Be-El> man babelfish ;-) 22:37 < tcr> __mnemoc: under a structure of course 22:37 < tcr> s,under,in, 22:37 < daja77> wow fireworks again 22:38 < daja77> cOdEz: no I don't enjoy it 22:38 < Mike1> hehe 22:38 < cOdEz> daja77: why i don't? 22:38 < cOdEz> daja77: why u don't? 22:38 < cOdEz> :) 22:39 < daja77> cOdEz: these bsd guys getting on my nerves 22:39 < tcr> daja77: why not... c'm on, you need an Ego to survive anyway 22:39 < tcr> Even in the ``real'' world 22:40 < daja77> tcr: ack it is just so *38##23* 22:40 < _NULL_> https://downloads.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs-bootscripts-1.11.tar.bz2 22:40 < daja77> *aaargh* they discuss novell 22:40 < _NULL_> *argh* sorry... 22:47 < tcr> __mnemoc! Sorry, I still can't send emails (I'm about spending some investigation why right now), but: 22:47 < tcr> __mnemoc: https://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=646 22:48 < tcr> __mnemoc: That was the email I wanted to refer you to 22:48 < tcr> s,refer,point, # gosh, where are my thoughts today 22:52 < __mnemoc> thanks 22:56 -!- chaosmaster [~niko@dsl-213-023-141-005.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 23:03 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E793BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 23:06 < rxr> Mike1: should the minimal target be bootable ? 23:07 < rxr> (from CD ?) 23:07 < Mike1> rxr well to be installed yes of course 23:07 < rxr> do run directly live-cd-style from CD, without installation? 23:08 < Mike1> mm... that would require a total redisgn of the target and wouldn't do what it is spected to do 23:08 < Mike1> rxr: but the packages on it could be used as the base for for the live-cd target 23:08 < Mike1> rxr of course you might be having a great idea that i might be loosing, why would you like to run minimal on a live-cd? 23:09 < Mike1> what advantages would it provide? etc.. 23:09 * Mike1 is open to discussion 23:09 < Mike1> :) 23:12 < Mike1> rxr? 23:12 < rxr> jo 23:12 < Mike1> ... 23:13 * Mike1 waiting for rxr's comments... 23:13 < tcr> Mike1: It's quite late over here ;) 23:13 < rxr> it would be mostly used for bootrap compilations, so people would like to build - without hassle with installation ... 23:13 < rxr> but anyway - it can also stay installable as it is now ... 23:14 < Mike1> rxr well we could add new target 'bootstarp' or 'small-live-cd' 23:14 < Mike1> which can do such thing 23:15 < Mike1> i would like to keep minimal installable as it would as well be usefull for others to created other targets based on it, or to simple use it as another router option 23:15 < Mike1> as well as a small system to simply run rock on boxes with smal hd's 23:15 < Mike1> small* 23:15 < n00kie> mmhm 23:15 < n00kie> Mike1: Small LiveCD sounds interresting 23:16 < Mike1> rxr ur idea is nice, very nice, but we also can't forget about users with small systems 23:16 < Mike1> thats why maybe Small-live-cd target could be an interesting idea to do 23:16 < Mike1> what do you think? 23:16 < Mike1> n00kie: :) 23:16 < n00kie> How do you define "Small" Systems? 23:17 < n00kie> I would take the LiveCD for slow computers 23:17 < Mike1> nothing running X is a good start define it 23:17 < n00kie> yep 23:17 < n00kie> I thought about: 23:17 < n00kie> Base System 23:17 < n00kie> Build System (to Basesystem?) 23:18 < n00kie> Some Internettools (Browser, IRC Client, Mailclient) 23:18 < Mike1> n00kie: well if you just wanna run rock on them yes, but if you want to build rock on those systems you might find your self in trouble, also there is the fact on slow systems you won't be able to boot from cdrom on 80%of the cases 23:18 < n00kie> editors 23:18 < n00kie> mm 23:18 < n00kie> yes 23:18 < Mike1> n00kie: we even would take out something from base repos 23:18 < n00kie> you've right 23:18 < tcr> It should stay minimal 23:18 < n00kie> but do you know smartbootmgr? 23:18 < tcr> IMGO 23:19 < tcr> IMHO 23:19 < Mike1> n00kie: no i don't, URL? 23:20 < n00kie> mom 23:20 < Mike1> tcr: what do you think? should minimal be a live-cd thing in stead of instalable? 23:20 -!- cOdEz [~codez@p5090776C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 23:20 < n00kie> Mike1: 23:20 < n00kie> I don't think it's important to install the livecd 23:21 < daja77> Mike1: both 23:21 < n00kie> Mike1: 23:21 < n00kie> https://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/ 23:22 < n00kie> It's a Bootmanager, which got installed on a Floppydisk 23:22 < Mike1> daja77: so who votes for the 'Small-LiveCD' target? 23:22 < n00kie> On old systems, you can Boot from CD then 23:22 < Mike1> n00kie: sounds cool 23:22 * n00kie votes 23:22 < Mike1> will check it out 23:22 < Mike1> rxr: what do you think? 23:22 < tcr> Mike1: Live-CD would be an overload 23:22 < Mike1> tcr: ? 23:23 < tcr> Why not just an extra target? 23:23 < Mike1> tcr: are you sure you are reading th question? 23:23 < Mike1> who votes for the 'Small-LiveCD' target? <--- 23:24 * daja77 votes too 23:24 < daja77> *argh* I was cut 23:24 < n00kie> :) 23:24 < tcr> <Mike1> tcr: what do you think? should minimal be a live-cd thing in stead of instalable? <- I read that 23:24 -!- Aska [2987-ident@p50887467.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:24 < Mike1> daja77: :) 23:24 < Mike1> tcr: ah okis :) 23:25 < Mike1> tcr: i think its better to keep 2 targets 23:25 < Mike1> as minimal would have to be transformed completely if we turned it into livecd.. 23:26 < tcr> Mike1: Hmm, wouldn't it be better to create just a live-cd target where _you_ can yourself select the packages that should get onto the cd(s) ? 23:26 < Mike1> tcr: might be..., but would you consider running more than 1 cd? 23:27 * Mike1 confused on this... 23:27 < rxr> tcr: sure for the livecd target you can select the packages - but it would be nice to provide a normal and a minmal preconfiguration ... 23:27 < n00kie> hmm 23:27 < Mike1> rxr: full ack 23:27 < n00kie> tcr's idea is interreseting too 23:27 < tcr> rxr: Certainly, but that shouldn't be solved by two targets, should it? 23:27 < n00kie> but i think two targets would be better 23:28 < Be-El> if the live-cd target should be used for evaluation purposes, we should strip out all development files like header files, static libraries etc. 23:28 < Be-El> this should reduce the amount of space needed on the cd 23:28 < tcr> Be-El: that could be a 'presentation' target 23:28 < tcr> based upon the live-cd target 23:28 < n00kie> tcr: Ack 23:28 < Be-El> or we should make it a rock-wide option 23:29 < Be-El> the routetr target for example doesn't need these files, too 23:29 < Mike1> :) 23:29 < rxr> we'll see 23:30 < Be-El> .oO (ok, i should had a look at the target script before ;-) ) 23:31 < Mike1> rxr: maybe we could work out our ideas and merge them during the week 23:31 -!- daja77_ [daja@rotuma.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:31 < daja77_> re 23:31 < n00kie> wb daja77 23:32 -!- daja77 [daja@rotuma.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: daja77_!daja@rotuma.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de))) 23:32 -!- daja77_ is now known as daja77 23:33 < daja77> *argh* damn it my whole session blown up 23:36 < n00kie> hmm 23:36 < n00kie> tcr talked about a presentation target 23:36 < n00kie> what about a "development" and a "presentation" target? 23:37 < Mike1> n00kie: this aka livecd fullfeatured 23:37 < n00kie> Ah, okay. 23:37 < n00kie> Just had the Idea :) 23:38 < Mike1> n00kie: speak out ur ideas :) 23:38 < Mike1> i wanna listen to them 23:38 < n00kie> ehehe :) 23:40 < n00kie> https://proforma.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html <- Didn't know about that 23:41 < daja77> n00kie: why real player for linux is an old hat 23:41 < n00kie> hmm 23:42 < n00kie> I didn't know, that real player is on linux too 23:47 < tcr> Hmmm 23:47 < daja77> it sucks anyway 23:47 < tcr> I'm getting and getting 'Relay Access Denied' from some server -- though I do pop before smtp 23:48 -!- brainache [~brainache@pD9EBF57F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:48 < tcr> Has anyone a clue what could cause this? 23:48 < n00kie> Mike1: Do you thought about the packages, that the "Small Live CD" will contain? 23:49 < Mike1> minimal target pkgs 23:49 < Mike1> maybe a few more.. 23:49 < n00kie> I mean, for what usergroup? 23:50 < n00kie> Do you mean just for users, who wanna work 23:50 < Mike1> not sure yet 23:50 < n00kie> or to really PRESENT it ? 23:50 < n00kie> For "PRESENT" what functions rock has got and so ? :) 23:50 < n00kie> and for normal users a workstation 23:50 < n00kie> You understand? :) 23:51 < Mike1> yeah 23:51 < Mike1> brb 23:51 < n00kie> k --- Log closed Sun May 11 00:00:40 2003