--- Log opened Sat May 10 00:00:03 2003
--- Day changed Sat May 10 2003
00:00 < n00kie> can't make anything write
00:00 < chaosmaster> what does the bios and dmesg say about the disk?
00:01 < n00kie> it can get "erkannt" correctly
00:01 < chaosmaster> but no access and no write? what are is mode on the device compared to other disks?
00:03 < n00kie> Partition check:
00:03 < n00kie>  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 >
00:03 < n00kie>  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0:
00:03 < n00kie> how do you mean?
00:04 < n00kie> I mean
00:04 < n00kie> I can't get access with cfdisk
00:04 < n00kie> because it cannot read the disk
00:04 < chaosmaster> how does it come you (root) cant write the disk?
00:04 < chaosmaster> ..... WAIT!!!!
00:04 < n00kie> ok
00:05 < chaosmaster> AFAIR cfdisk cant restore a broken parttable and broken mbr, but .....
00:05 < chaosmaster> fdisk can, I think!
00:05 < n00kie> lol
00:05 < n00kie> then hda gets destroyed to
00:05 < n00kie> o
00:05 < rxr> re
00:05 < n00kie> wb rxr
00:05 < chaosmaster> hmmm, use fdisk and try to create one new partition
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00:06 < A-Tui> hi
00:07 < n00kie> chaosmaster:
00:07 < n00kie> i am afraid of this program
00:07 < chaosmaster> n00kie: I recently send a patch for fileutils/coreutils to enable some add tools like partx, addpart, delpart - they can help
00:08 < chaosmaster> you just need a program ignoring everything, but writing to the disk without any checks
00:08 < n00kie> i use an image from the last 2 days
00:08 < n00kie> hmm
00:08 < n00kie> fdisk?
00:09 < chaosmaster> a real image of the whole disk or only data?
00:09 < n00kie> no
00:09 < n00kie> rock linux distri
00:09 < n00kie> with newer fileutils
00:09 < chaosmaster> that's not enough, when you cannot access the disk ...
00:10 < n00kie> hmm
00:10 < n00kie> but how can I restore my hdd then ?
00:11 < chaosmaster> step by step:
00:11 < chaosmaster> fdisk /dev/discs/foo/disc
00:11 < chaosmaster> p
00:11 < n00kie> alright
00:11 < n00kie> i will go to bed :)
00:11 < n00kie> sleep well
00:11 < n00kie> can we make this tomorow ?
00:11 < chaosmaster> (if any: d x)
00:11 < n00kie> ok
00:12 < n00kie> sleep well chaosmaster and the others
00:12 < chaosmaster> n00kie: i'm here from around 19:00
00:12 < n00kie> okay, me too
00:12 < n00kie> sleep well+
00:12 < chaosmaster> thanks, dito
00:32 < daja77> re
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00:34 < Mike1-home> re all.
00:35 < esden> bless you Mike1-home 
00:36 < Mike1-home> kasc, rxr tomorrow once i am back to my office i will run a full build to test linux2.5, as i mentiones on my email spect reports on monday / tuesday or so..
00:36 < Mike1-home> hi esdy, God bless you too my friend.
00:37 < Mike1-home> esden anything new around here? i am sick so have been at home all day with almost no internet access, i hate dialup, did i mention that already?
00:38 < daja77> yes you did
00:38 < daja77> wb Mike1-home
00:38 < esden> Mike1-home: I can understand that ...
00:38 < esden> my condolences Mike1-home 
00:38 < Mike1-home> hi daja77
00:38 < Mike1-home> esden thanks :((
00:38 < esden> Mike1-home: I have not been much around here today
00:39 < Mike1-home> i see
00:39 < Mike1-home> perhaps daja77 was here more?
00:39 < daja77> Mike1-home: I couldn't do release today cos I fighted our fscking routing at work
00:39 * _NULL_ is jumping around! 
00:39 < _NULL_> tcl is alive!!!
00:39 < Mike1-home> _NULL_ ?
00:39 < Mike1-home> ah congratz Sandra
00:39 < daja77> Mike1-home: but I have the src at home so I can do it this weekend
00:39 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: *g* don't mind
00:39 < _NULL_> wb Mike1-home , btw
00:40 < Mike1-home> daja77 thats great, i am really looking forward to see this my friend
00:40 < daja77> esden: well rolla flooded the chan to increase his score, but else...
00:40 < Mike1-home> daja77 define flooded
00:40 < Mike1-home> _NULL_ thank you
00:41 < _NULL_> re esden , btw
00:41 < daja77> pasted err logs *g*
00:41 < Mike1-home> OUCH!
00:41 * Mike1-home glad of not been here when that happens..
00:41 < daja77> yeah d'oh I forgot, hi esden
00:41 < daja77> hehe
00:41 < Mike1-home> daja77 u know i kinda freak with floods :)
00:42 < _NULL_> daja77: rolla flooded? i guess you meant n00kie, don't you?
00:42 < daja77> yeah I remember...
00:42 < Mike1-home> daja77 even though u and rolla are 2 of the very few that i don't mind to flood me on a _query_
00:42 < daja77> _NULL_: no rolla, mayxbe n00kie did itr when I was away
00:42 < esden> daja77: you think that this was flooding?
00:43 * -> esden trying to get svn running on one of the machines in the university >_<
00:43 < Mike1-home> msg esden so how is life treating u my friend?
00:43 < daja77> esden: it was ok after all, chan was empty so...
00:43 < Mike1-home> arrg..
00:43 < daja77> lol
00:43 < Mike1-home> daja77 the "/" is not working very well
00:43 * daja77 possibly gets integrated in local wlan soon...
00:43 * Mike1-home needs a new keyboard
00:44 < Mike1-home> esden so is it fun running svn ? easy?
00:44 < daja77> esden: I know I fighted with svn the whole day...
00:44 < Mike1-home> ping rxr
00:45 < Mike1-home> mmm... is everyone quite suddenly or my connection really so fscking slow?
00:45 * daja77 doin svn up right now
00:46 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: do you see me? ;)
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00:46 < Mike1-home> _NULL_ i wish i could but i can only read u
00:46 < daja77> Mike1-home: stop complaining :P
00:46 < Mike1-home> daja77 laught while u can !
00:46 < daja77> _NULL_: send him ur pictures ;)
00:46 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: hehe ;) ok
00:46 < _NULL_> daja77: nope
00:47 < daja77> Mike1-home: nah I have a slow connection myself brother
00:47 < Mike1-home> _NULL_ come on i need to expand my _null pictures collection
00:47 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: *kick* :p
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00:47 < Mike1-home> daja77 well my friend in this moment ven null's conection is faster than mine
00:48 < Mike1-home> i am really hating dialup!
00:48 < esden> ok ... another build on that fscking machine at the university ...
00:48 < Mike1-home> esden having fun?
00:48 < esden> have I already said that I hate rh?
00:48 < esden> Mike1-home: not really .. I would prefer to go to bed ... really ...
00:49 < esden> but I promissed rxr that I will get his tree and test it ...
00:49 < daja77> esden: yes you did
00:49 < Mike1-home> esden rh sucks, but i prefer to use in staed of mandrake
00:49 < esden> but I am to lame to get svn run through a proxy ...
00:49 < Mike1-home> esden also i think u sleep too much get in the code u lazy boy!
00:49 < esden> so I have to get it working on a box at the university ...
00:49 < esden> Mike1-home: GRRRRR
00:49 < daja77> esden: no you are not lame this is a svn/proxy related problem >_<
00:50 < esden> Mike1-home: I like you too ...
00:50 < Mike1-home> esden sure u do i am great :)
00:50 < Mike1-home> :P
00:50 < esden> daja77: this stupid svn is seems not to detect that I have set in the configuration that it should use a proxy ...
00:50 < esden> strange ...
00:50 < rxr> esden: shit I can't attent the chat tomorrow
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00:51 < Mike1-home> esden have you send a mail to the svn mailing list?
00:51 < esden> rxr: that sux ...
00:51 < Mike1-home> rxr warun?
00:51 < rxr> se ML in some minutes
00:51 < daja77> esden: the most proxies don't understand svn's commands
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00:51 < Mike1-home> mm...
00:51 < esden> Mike1-home: no ... not with such a lame question ... "svn is not working over proxy ... please help!"
00:51 < esden> I will get flamed to death
00:51 < Mike1-home> esden ask null end it for u  :)
00:52 < _NULL_> Mike1-home: ???
00:52 < Mike1-home> esden or make a fake email address :)
00:52 < esden> Mike1-home: lol
00:52 < daja77> esden: it is just sucking...
00:52 < esden> daja77: it really seems so ...
00:52 < Mike1-home> esden did u ask rxr for a solution yet?
00:52 < Mike1-home> rxr have u been able to take a look at my coreutils patch?
00:53 < daja77> esden: it tries to send command which most proxies don't understand there is a fix for squid but that's all
00:53 < esden> daja77: perfect >_<
00:53 < daja77> Mike1-home: rxr is not the svn maintainer...
00:53 < esden> daja77: the problem is I have no access to the proxy ...
00:53 < daja77> esden: full ack, you know what I did
00:53 < Mike1-home> esden kill the sysadmin then kill the proxy
00:53 < daja77> esden: the same problem for me
00:54 < daja77> it is an NT proxy at work *puke*
00:54 < esden> urgh ... perfect
00:54 < Mike1-home> NT proxy... urrgg i though _null_ was the only one running such thing
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00:55 < daja77> esden: i did the check at home, made a tarball and grabbed it via ssh, do I really have to say more
00:55 < esden> Mike1-home: lool ... when I kill the proxy all students in the student city will start running edonkey on their pc's and then I have no internet anymore ...
00:55 < rxr> Mike1-home: no not yet
00:55 < Mike1-home> esden iptables is your friend :)
00:55 < esden> daja77: I do something simmilar
00:55 < esden> Mike1-home: hehe ... qos too ;-)
00:55 < Mike1-home> rxr ah okis :)
00:55 < daja77> Mike1-home: I don't run such crap, but the adm^Wlusers at work doin this
00:56 < Mike1-home> daja77 u should give them some good lessons about how real networks and managed
00:56 < rxr> daja77: tunnel the svn traffic via ssh (or a real VPN)
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00:56 < esden> rxr: that is also a possibility ...
00:56 < esden> hmm
00:56 < esden> nice ...
00:56 < daja77> rxr: could you let your apache listen to an additional port
00:57 < Mike1-home> like port 81..
00:57 < daja77> nah I only have isdn at home, I don't wanna do a tunnel with that
00:57 < rxr> daja77: I'm not a apche guru - if it support this ...
00:57 * rxr taking a look
00:57 < Mike1-home> rxr yes it does support it
00:57 < daja77> rxr: sure just add a line: Listen $portnum
00:58 < rxr> multiple Listen lines or all ports in one Listen line ?
00:59 < Mike1-home> multiple Listen lines
00:59 < daja77> afaik you could do a: Listen $port1,$port2 or two lines
00:59 < daja77> multiple lines work for sure
00:59 < rxr> done
00:59 < rxr> works
01:00 < Mike1-home> ok folks i am out of here /me needs some sleep and resting
01:00 < daja77> Mike1-home: gn8
01:00 < daja77> rxr: thx which port?
01:00 < Mike1-home> rxr u won't be online tomorrow
01:00 < Mike1-home> ?
01:00 < Mike1-home> daja77 n8 my friend.
01:00 < rxr> Mike1-home: nope - I overread the "pm" - but anyway this birthday is not rescheduleable ...
01:01 < rxr> 80 81
01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr arrgg this sucks :(
01:01 < rxr> if you want more ... just ask
01:01 < rxr> Mike1-home: see ML
01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr anyways we talk on monday then
01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr i will in a moment
01:01 < rxr> or sunday ?
01:01 < Mike1-home> n8 Ren
01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr i am not sure if i will be on on sunday
01:01 < Mike1-home> rxr but i will do my best ok?
01:01 < rxr> ok - sleep well mike
01:02 < Mike1-home> thx Ren
01:02 < daja77> rxr: cool then I can do checkouts at work ;)
01:02 < Mike1-home> rxr enjoy bday tomorrow
01:02 < Mike1-home> me gone
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01:02 < daja77> lol
01:03 < rxr> shit my iBook builded a whole day completely crap only because I configured the wrong target :-(
01:03 * rxr head banging againt table and walls
01:03 < daja77> *aaargh*
01:03 < daja77> rxr: save the wall...
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01:03 < daja77> great mnemoc is here
01:03 < daja77> hi mnemoc
01:04 < _NULL_> hi mnemoc
01:04 < tcr> moin mnemoc. I actually wanted to reply to your question when 2.6 will probably come out... but I momentarely cannot send any mails (the heck's why)...
01:04 < mnemoc> hi :-)
01:05 < tcr> mnemoc: You should search the LKML about it, that question arouse some days ago, and alanc gave a first estimate that in about 2month there might be the first 2.6-test branch
01:05 < mnemoc> so.. answer here
01:06 < tcr> I can't remember to the subject line... though
01:07 < esden> weeee ... svn is running on the machine at the university !!!
01:07 < rxr> mnemoc: Cksum ERROR: download/mnemoc/lvs/ipvs-1.0.8.tar.gz.cksum-err (3889016756)
01:07 < mnemoc> :o
01:07 < rxr> should I simply adapt the checksum ?
01:08 < esden> rxr: I am now getting rock-trunk
01:08 < mnemoc> i guess...
01:08 < mnemoc> but...
01:08 < daja77> esden: how?
01:08 < esden> daja77: on the machine at the university ... it is not behind a proky
01:08 < esden> I mean proxy
01:08 < daja77> good!
01:09 < esden> I have built svn in my home ... and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly ... and now it runs ...
01:09 < esden> I hope it will not stop with an error ... *pray*
01:09 < mnemoc> 2 months... how will this affect rock2.0? rock-2.0.$release? rock-2.0-$date? rock-2.2?
01:11 < mnemoc> rxr: download/mnemoc/lvs/ipvs-1.0.8.tar.bz2: 41580628
01:11 < daja77> rxr och neee
01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: the 2.0 release will have 2.4 - and you can select 2.{5,6} but this will not be considered release criteria
01:12 < rxr> but a later 2.0.4 or so might update to 2.6 as default ... (I think)
01:12 < rxr> but we have ot se how 2.0 and 2.2 develop
01:12 < rxr> mnemoc: have you redownloaded ?
01:13 < mnemoc> i'm re-downloading it
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01:13 < daja77> hmm another ghost
01:14 < tcr> Ok, I'm going sleeping now
01:14 < tcr> gn8 all
01:15 < daja77> tcr: ack, sleep well
01:15 < rxr> my home schillernet.dyndns.org server delivers "92.1 %" suversion data ...
01:15 < daja77> hmm my checkout is over
01:16 < daja77> gn8 everybody
01:16 < rxr> and my gsmp.tfh-berlin.de server delivered:
01:16 < rxr> 3.56 GB yesterday ...
01:17 < rxr> Wow I start to love web stats ;-)
01:17 < esden> rxr: I have to learn more about svn ... so I can create a mirror of it ...
01:17 < esden> or so ...
01:17 < esden> is it possible?
01:17 < rxr> esden: should be fairly simple - just do a bdb hot-backup
01:18 < esden> rxr: kick clifford that he starts doing stats on his webserver ...
01:18 < esden> I want to see rocklinux.org stats
01:18 < rxr> but I'll also mirror the thing to gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
01:18 < esden> good
01:18 < rxr> mnemoc: has your file still the same checksum ?
01:18 < rxr> esden: me too ;-)
01:19 < mnemoc> rxr: got the same cksum that you :(
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01:19 < daja77> talking about stats there is a strange thing in irc stats
01:20 < daja77> in 5 random urls there is always the some url at first rank
01:21 < daja77> same
01:21 < rxr> mnemoc: ok so I change the checksum ?
01:21 < esden> hmm .. still checking out ... *zZzZ*
01:22 < daja77> so now I am really off
01:22 < esden> n8 daja77 
01:24 < mnemoc> rxr: change it :-\ ... how can it be? there is nothing at the web site :( ... i'll diff them
01:26 < rxr> yes please diff them - maybe they silently fixed a bug (some franky people do that sometimes) or they got hacked ?
01:38 < esden> Checked out revision 175.
01:39 < esden> rxr: is that the correct one?
01:40 < mnemoc> rxr: the fix the year on the README :|
01:40 < mnemoc> 1.0.8a?
01:40 < mnemoc> or keeping it as 1.0.8?
01:41 < rxr> esden: svn always checks out the latest revision
01:41 < rxr> this is 175 currently
01:41 < rxr> 1.0.8 should be ok
01:50 < rxr> I'll correct the chksum, ok ?
01:52 < esden> rxr: sure it is ... but it could be that you made a new checkin
01:52 < esden> ok ... I go home sleeping
01:52 < rxr> n8 esden !
01:53 < mnemoc> rxr, i got this: 3889016756 ... please silently 'update' it *g*
01:53 < rxr> 3889016756 - jups I have this too
01:57 < mnemoc> damn mount -bind :(... i loose my whole tree
01:57 * mnemoc is now depressed
02:00 < mnemoc> do you know any 'undelete' for ext3?
02:02 < rxr> mnemoc: never rm -rf src.* dirs
02:02 < rxr> use the ./scripts/Cleanup for this!
02:02 < rxr> undelets are availble but quite complicated ...
02:03 < mnemoc> snif snif snif
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02:08 < mnemoc_is_dead> just to know... reiser was undeleters?
02:09 < mnemoc_is_dead> s/was/has/
02:19 < rxr> mnemoc_is_dead: no filesystem has usefull undeleters, since no FS is designed for this - so it always is some last data gathering
02:20 < rxr> on uinx you can use some ld-preload lib which does a paer-bag think for all "unlink" calls ...
02:20 < rxr> so /me in bed now cu tomorrow
02:21 < mnemoc_is_dead> gn8
02:29 -!- mnemoc_is_dead is now known as __mnemoc
02:30 < esden> re hi all
02:30 < __mnemoc> hi :|
02:31 < esden> I had to check how far the copying of files to rock-trunk is ...
02:31 < esden> hi __mnemoc ...
02:31 < esden> what is wrong?
02:31 < __mnemoc> esden: are you at deutschland too?
02:31 < esden> yes ...
02:31 < __mnemoc> esden: rm -rf src.*
02:32 < __mnemoc> so... why do you arrive this late?
02:32 < esden> I was here already ...
02:32 < esden> I am still awake because I promissed rxr that I will checkout his tree from svn and build a generic build for testing ...
02:33 < esden> and I had some problems with it due to proxy/svn and stupidity problems
02:33 < esden> I am now waiting till I can start a build ...
02:34 < esden> and what are you doing up so late?
02:36 < __mnemoc> 20:36 here
02:36 < esden> and where are you?
02:37 < __mnemoc> chile
02:38 < __mnemoc> doy ou know where it is? ;-)
02:41 < esden> in chile? can it be?
02:41 < __mnemoc> of course it can be... i live here *g*
02:41 < esden> hehe ;-)
02:42 < esden> I have put you in the gallery ... so I now remember ...
02:42 < esden> Alejandro MP ... sounds like a processor name ;-)
02:42 < __mnemoc> ;)
02:42 < __mnemoc> latin people has to family names
02:43 < __mnemoc> two family names
02:43 < esden> I have also a double surname ... and I am not latin ;-)
02:43 < __mnemoc> yeah???
02:43 < esden> yes Esden-Tempski
02:43 < __mnemoc> your mother didn't loose her surname?
02:44 < esden> nope that name exists since the 17th century or so
02:44 < esden> or even before ...
02:44 < esden> we could follow the familly till then ... or was it 16th century ...
02:44 < esden> I am not sure
02:45 < __mnemoc> so 'Esden-Tempski' is a composed surname, and not two surnames ;(
02:45 < esden> ack
02:46 < esden> I know that is somewhat different ... 
02:46 < __mnemoc> we get one family name from ower father, and a second from ower mother
02:46 < esden> ok ... entry msg for #rocklinux changed
02:47 < __mnemoc> mother: 'maria marta victoria' 'pellegrini' 'ripamonti' father: 'eduardo juan bosco' 'mery' 'berisso'
02:47 < __mnemoc> me: 'alejandro jose' 'mery' 'pellegrini'
02:48 < __mnemoc> like a binary tree ;)
02:48 < esden> yes that looks nice ...
02:49 < __mnemoc> we are so weird that we have between 2 and 5 'first names' :-\
02:49 < esden> my full name is "Piotr Tomasz Esden-Tempski" in two weeks it will be "Piotr Tomasz Edward Esden-Tempski"
02:49 < __mnemoc> you can choose that third name freely?
02:50 < esden> yes
02:50 * -> esden searching a word to explain why ...
02:51 < __mnemoc> we got the 'full' name when we born... well... the day after that
02:52 < esden> I get confirmated in two weeks ... and I can choose the third name then
02:53 < __mnemoc> you need an specific age for that 'honor'?
02:54 < esden> the first one I got by birth ... the second also chosen by parents when I got baptised
02:54 < esden> yes you need ... 16 years old or so ... but I am 21 now ...
02:55 < esden> I finally decided to do that ... as I regained my faith
02:56 < __mnemoc> so second and third are added when you get a religious stage?
02:57 < __mnemoc> 1:born 2:baptims 3:confirmation* ?
02:57 < esden> yes
02:57 < esden> correct
02:58 < __mnemoc> that's coolest than having two family names ;)
02:59 < esden> ohh ... having two family names is cool too
02:59 < esden> muahaha ... my name would be then : Piotr Tomasz Edward Bej-Belkowski Esden-Tempski
02:59 < esden> that is terribly long
03:00 < __mnemoc> we have composed surnames too... looking that long
03:00 < esden> I have to admit that it is pretty evil ;-)
03:01 < __mnemoc> brb
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03:02 < esden> urgh ... my build box runs at load 4
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03:14 < esden> 73 packets ...
03:17 < __mnemoc> re
03:18 < __mnemoc> which target?
03:19 < __mnemoc> i would like to do a 'trusted base' target... hardrock can be
03:27 < esden> I am building generic normally
03:27 < esden> currently building generic and bootdisks targets of a clifford cvs tree checkout
03:31 < __mnemoc> is the name 'dwarf' assigned to something in rock's todo?
03:31 < __mnemoc> could be great for 'apt-get'
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03:39 < esden> urgh ... load average of 5 ...
03:39 < esden> now 6
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03:40 < esden> ok ... running four target builds symultanously is hard ...
03:40 < esden> that is a real stress test for my machine ...
03:40 < esden> I hope she will survive that ...
03:42 < __mnemoc> she will ;-)
03:42 < esden> I hope so ...
03:42 < esden> ok ... now going to sleep ... the builds will take a while ;-)
03:42 < esden> good night
03:42 < __mnemoc> will you get that finished by night?
03:43 < esden> nope ... for sure not
03:43 < __mnemoc> what do u win building 4 at once?
03:43 < esden> in four days or so everything should be complete
03:43 < __mnemoc> 4=fout days, 1<one day?
03:43 < esden> the first build is a generic build that runs since nearly 4 days .. and should be finished this night
03:44 < esden> the second one is a boot disk build and should be finisched by night tomorrow
03:45 < esden> the third build is another generic build but on rene tree ... that will take 4 days or so ... and the 4th build is a bootdisk target for the rene build ...
03:45 < esden> that should be ready in 1 day or so
03:46 < esden> I go sleeping now ... it is 4 o'clock here ...
03:46 < esden> I have to get up at 10 >_<
03:46 < esden> good night
03:46 < __mnemoc> gn8
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04:04 < rolla> re
04:04 < __mnemoc> hi
04:04 < rolla> :)
04:05 < rolla> I am going to upgrade one of my boxes to rcok 1.7 :)
04:06 < __mnemoc> why don't you waiting for 2.0?
04:06 < rolla> cause I have a working 1.7 iso I want to use to do 2.0 builds on :)
04:06 < __mnemoc> good idea ;)
04:07 < rolla> yeah that is what I thought :)
04:08 < rolla> is noone else alive here tonight?
04:08 < __mnemoc> esden dies 20 minutes ago
04:08 < rolla> :)
04:09 < rolla> == 21:11:03 =[5]=> Building blindcoder/irssi [0.8.6 1.7-snapshot].
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04:10 < rolla> re n00kie_
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04:11 < rolla> bye n00kie_
04:11 < rolla> why are you up so late __mnemoc ?
04:12 < __mnemoc> different timezone ;)
04:13 < __mnemoc> why are YOU up so late rolla?
04:13 < rolla> what timezone are you in?
04:13 < __mnemoc> -4 ;-)
04:13 < rolla> oh are you in CR?
04:13 < __mnemoc> .CL
04:14 < rolla> CL?
04:14 < __mnemoc> chile
04:14 < rolla> ach so
04:14 < rolla> I am -5 GMT
04:15 < rolla> or -6 GMT depending on time of year :)
04:15 < __mnemoc> us?
04:16 < rolla> ja
04:16 < rolla> you use rock?
04:17 < __mnemoc> trying ;)
04:17 < __mnemoc> the only box i currently have for linux is a p200 :-\
04:20 < __mnemoc> but i'm 'developing' and building rock there
04:20 < rolla> fun fun
04:21 < rolla> I was using a p-pro 200
04:21 < rolla> but now I have a K6-3 750 :)
04:21 < __mnemoc> much better
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04:23 < rolla> yeah
04:24 < rolla> now I am having trouble with the rock boot disk
04:25 < __mnemoc> what kind of trouble?
04:26 < rolla> it cannot load the module for the file system of the cd so it is a bad iso
04:26 < rolla> I am using another 1.7 disk I have
04:27 < __mnemoc> .o file is corrupted on the .iso?
04:27 < rolla> I guess so
04:29 < __mnemoc> :\
04:30 < rolla> yeah
04:32 < __mnemoc> what iso did you get? (url)
04:35 < rolla> one that was built on that machine by mike
04:40 < __mnemoc> haven't seen mike talking today... byt rock 1.7 i almost 100% stable, so a new iso will born this weekend ;-)
04:41 < rolla> he is sick today
04:43 < rolla> I was having trouble with building 1.7 on a 1.5.17 system so I need a base 1.7 system to build iso's from
04:46 < __mnemoc> www.rocklinux.org is down?
04:46 < __mnemoc> (dns)
04:47 < __mnemoc> i mean... out of service ;-)
04:47 < rolla> hmmm
04:47 < __mnemoc> does it shows you what it should?
04:47 < rolla> looks fine to me
04:47 < __mnemoc> mmm...
04:48 < __mnemoc> dammit
04:48 < __mnemoc> INFO: Auto-detecting best mirror ...
04:48 < __mnemoc> INFO: Downloading mirror-list from www.rocklinux.org.
04:48 < __mnemoc> INFO: No Mirror Found!
04:49 < rolla> oh I tried the website
04:49 < rolla> you mean ftp is down?
04:50 < __mnemoc> i guess mirror list is fetched by http
04:50 < rolla> what is the cvs module name for 2.0 beta?
04:51 < __mnemoc> rock-src-1.7
04:51 < __mnemoc> btw, i use rene's svn
04:51 < rolla> ::)
04:51 < rolla> no no there is another cvs module name
04:52 < __mnemoc> :(
04:52 < __mnemoc> svn's module is rock-trunk
04:53 < __mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux.de/ <-- can you see it?
04:56 < rolla> hmm
04:56 < rolla> doesn't look like it
04:57 < __mnemoc> virtual domain is on strike :(
04:59 < rolla> yup
04:59 < rolla> do you network / numbers?
04:59 < __mnemoc> i don't get you
04:59 < __mnemoc> i dont get it ;)
04:59 < __mnemoc> my english sucks
04:59 < rolla> I have a netmask of 255.255.255.248
05:00 < rolla> what would my 192.168.2.0/NM be ?
05:00 < __mnemoc> 29?
05:01 < rolla> thanks
05:01 < rolla> that was right
05:01 < __mnemoc> :D
05:04 < rolla> soon my new rock box should be up it is booting for the first time :)
05:05 < __mnemoc> what about the fs?
05:06 < rolla> reiserfs
05:07 < rolla> it crapped out need to edit a file :(
05:08 < __mnemoc> :1
05:08 < __mnemoc> have you used uml?
05:10 < rolla> nope
05:21 < rolla> crap this thing is a bear to configure :(
05:22 < rolla> no perl :(
05:30 < __mnemoc> doh
05:32 < rolla> yeah that package is missing from this iso :(
05:32 < rolla> nothing but broken ISO I tell you
05:32 < __mnemoc> iirc perl was broken some weeks ago
05:33 < rolla> yeah
05:33 < rolla> oh well i have network so I am downloading and buildin perl
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06:59 < Mike1-home> re.
06:59 < Mike1-home> anyone awake?
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09:12 < n00kie_> daja77, Mike1: Who did I flood?
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09:47 < _NULL_> morning *yawn
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10:09 < esden> good morning yawn
10:11 < blindcoder> moin
10:11 < blindcoder> esden: already got something for Mother's Day tomorrow?
10:11 < _NULL_> hi esden
10:12 < _NULL_> it is tomorrow? oh shit...
10:12 < blindcoder> yes, it is
10:12 < _NULL_> *cough* thx.
10:13 < blindcoder> I've drawn a small outline Image of Kerberos and written "Omedetougozaimasu" (Congratulations) in Hiragane in a half circle above him
10:14 < blindcoder> that will get decorated with a small "Pralinen schachtel" tomorrow morning
10:14 < blindcoder> s/Hiragane/Hiragana/
10:17 < blindcoder> ah, mum is back with my car
10:17 < blindcoder> okay, I'm shopping now (awong other things :)
10:17 < blindcoder> baba
10:18 < _NULL_> bye blindcoder
10:24 < netrunner> moinmoin
10:25 < _NULL_> hi netrunner
10:26 * netrunner washed away the remainigs of alc with lots of coffee :)
10:33 < rxr> re
10:34 < _NULL_> hi rxr
10:35 < rxr> Yes, finally down to 21 errors:
10:35 < rxr> 677 builds total, 656 completed fine, 21 with errors.
10:36 < _NULL_> congrats, rxr
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10:47 < Be-El> hi ppl
10:51 < _NULL_> hi Be-El
10:55 < Be-El> does anyone can tell me about the current state of the cvs ? i haven't received update for about a week
10:55 < Be-El> and i don't want to switch over to subversion at this moment
11:04 * netrunner found a big bug yesterday.
11:04 < netrunner> like 40cm long. of chocolate. :)
11:06 < Be-El> netrunner: sounds like a rare species....you should to some tests with it, like tasting its flavour
11:09 < netrunner> be-el: unlikely. its for my mom tomorrow :)
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11:13 < _NULL_> omg... drink more coffee, netrunner :p
11:13 < _NULL_> hi cOdEz
11:14 < Be-El> bbl
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11:14 < cOdEz> ho _NULL_
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11:30 < daja77> re
11:35 < rxr> re
11:36 < rxr> BL|away: yes - cliff just applied 240kB of patches ...
11:37 < daja77> moin rxr
11:38 < rxr> moin daja77
11:42 < daja77> rxr: I updated to rev 178 this morning, which files I must delete to be sure, broken packages are disturbed by ealier errors?
11:44 < rxr> daja77: you mean shared files issues ?
11:45 < daja77> yes something like, I get unregistered file errors with cups
11:45 < daja77> btw I removed the flists files
11:46 < rxr> unregsitered files ?
11:46 < daja77> mom I'll boot the machine, and tell you details
11:47 < rxr> daja77: I'm off in some seconds ... :-(
11:47 < rxr> but I'm sure you'll find out ,)
11:48 < rxr> daja77: btw. will you be at today's officla evening chat?
11:49 < daja77> until now nothing stops me to do so
11:49 < rxr> I won't be able to attend ... - I hope esden and you can tell some usefull things - especially when huebi or so starts to tell strange stuff ...
11:49 < _NULL_> O_o
11:49 < daja77> O_o why should he tell strange stuff?
11:50 < rxr> because of this 1.5 mess or so - just a fealing ...
11:50 < rxr> daja77: ok nice - I'll off for an hours - cu later
11:50 < _NULL_> (e.g. that 1.6 is stable... :p)
11:50 < rxr> yeah e.g.
11:50 < rxr> cu
11:50 < _NULL_> bye rxr. have fun
11:51 < daja77> damn now he is away again *grml*
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12:09 < daja77> oh no 40 mails on the list...
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12:40 < BL|away> re
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12:40 < daja77> re Be-El
12:41 < Be-El> finally....a cvs update
12:42 < Be-El> and a chance to test my new maintance system :-)
12:49 < daja77> cu later guys and gals ;)
12:54 < netrunner> what is cc1 used to be? (-> Building tools.chroot/wrapper/cmd_wrapper. \n cc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1': No such file or directory)
12:56 < Be-El> netrunner: cc1 is the name of the c-compiler executable
13:01 < rxr> re
13:02 < rxr> Be-El: yes a cvs update - and now subversin and cvs are nearly in sync ...
13:03 < rxr> Be-El: why don't you use the stable subversion tree to get changes earlier ?
13:03 < Be-El> may currently used system was build 2-3 month ago....no clean bdb....
13:03 < Be-El> s/may/my/
13:03 < Be-El> that's why i'm trying to get a full, stable build to reinstall it
13:04 < rxr> Be-El: you can build subversion yourself (simply ./configuare make make install)
13:04 < Be-El> but i am lazy ;-)
13:04 < rxr> you'll get a working server-side-less svn client without the need of bdb ...
13:05 < Be-El> and currently i'm busy with some perl script to maintain build tree
13:05 < netrunner> Be-El: so I shoud ln -s cc cc1 somewhere?
13:06 < Be-El> netrunner: 'cc' should be a symlink to gcc, the gnu compiler suite start wrapper
13:06 < Be-El> netrunner: and this wrapper handles cc1, cc1obj, cc1plus etc. internally
13:07 < Be-El> netrunner: 'cc' is used a the compiler executable name for a number of commercial compilers, so it should exists in (nearly) every unix system
13:07 < rxr> netrunner: nope!
13:07 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/gcc3:gcc3: usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.2/cc1
13:07 < rxr> Be-El: cc1 != cc
13:08 < Be-El> rxr: i know...cc is the start wrapper, e.g. so sun's workshop compiler, several alpha compilers etc.
13:09 < Be-El> it's just a name that is commonly used for "this is the c-compiler", independent whether it is gcc or some other compiler
13:09 < netrunner> rxr: but Build-Target obviously can not find any cc1. I have one in build/bla/tools.cross and one in build/bla/root/...
13:09 < netrunner> rxr: how does he now which to use, is there a file list?
13:10 < rxr> netrunner: sorry I have no time in the next hour to dig into this ...
13:10 < rxr> netrunner: grep the scripts ...
13:10 < netrunner> rxr: np.
13:25 < esden> good morning everyone ...
13:25 < esden> finally ... sigh
13:32 < _NULL_> hi esden
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13:36 < _NULL_> someone knows the number of the "freischalte/t-d1-service-center"?
13:37 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
13:37 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 1.5/1.6 is depricated please use 1.7/2.0 instead : ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( clifford 1.7 tree: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7; rxr 2.0 tree: svn co http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/ )
13:37 -!- Topic set by esden [Fri May  9 01:09:26 2003]
13:37 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join
13:37 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now
13:38 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now
13:39 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk All german speaking JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now
13:39 < _NULL_> O_o
13:40 <@esden> _NULL_: what is?
13:40 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk All german speaking JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( clifford 1.7 tree: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7; rxr 2.0 tree: svn co http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/ )
13:41 <@esden> good
13:41 <@esden> that should be ok now
13:41 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
13:41 < _NULL_> you're in topic-changing mood
13:41 < esden> no _NULL_ I had to do that ...
13:42 < esden> requested by Jocelin
13:42 < _NULL_> ok...
13:43 < _NULL_> gnaaaaa. t-d1 suckz
14:16 < netrunner> esden: ich habe schon einen in build/bla/root/lib... und build/bla/tools.cross/...
14:17 < netrunner> s/(*)/\/msg $1/
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14:59 * -> esden -> off for dancing
14:59 < esden> I will be back for the talk
15:00 < _NULL_> have fun esden
15:09 < praenti> hi
15:09 < _NULL_> hi praenti
15:09 < _NULL_> <-- feels like a bot (hi. have fun. bye.) *sigh*
15:27 < praenti> ok i leave now. will see when i can be online today evening. must do some driver jobs for two people who run "halbmarathon"
15:28 < daja77> hmmm I thought _NULL_ is a bot *ggg*
15:29 < daja77> re
15:29 < _NULL_> daja77: *kick* :p
15:29 < _NULL_> wb
15:30 < daja77> thx, just kidding
15:30 < _NULL_> i know
15:30 < daja77> otherwise I would be dead...
15:31 < _NULL_> full ack
15:31 < daja77> ;)
15:34 < daja77> hmm does it mean CET or CEST?
15:36 < _NULL_> CEST
15:36 < daja77> very good
15:37 < daja77> _NULL_: do you join that talk
15:37 < _NULL_> why should i?
15:38 < daja77> dunno, I just ask
15:38 < daja77> hmm wtf is rootboard
15:38 < _NULL_> dunno
15:45 < daja77> this wheater is depressing
15:46 < snyke> yes
15:46 < snyke> pure sun... terrible
15:47 < daja77> sun, no
15:47 < snyke> what is your weather?
15:48 < daja77> cloudy but warm moisty air
15:53 < daja77> hi snyke btw
15:54 < snyke> ah
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16:20 < Be-El> re
16:36 < rolla> re
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17:29 < daja77> *argh*
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17:38 < daja77> devilz: are you here?
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17:38 < devilz> daja77: sure
17:39 < daja77> could you stop this quitting and rejoining please
17:39 < daja77> hi martin
17:39 < martin> hi daja77, hi all
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17:41 < daja77> hmm rocklinux-talk is filling... ;)
17:45 < __mnemoc> today is the day?
17:46 < daja77> __mnemoc: what?
17:46 < __mnemoc> how much can take the translation?
17:47 < daja77> dunno, depends on how long the talk is
17:47 < __mnemoc> 8pm->12pm?
17:47 < daja77> their is no limitation in jocelyn's announcement
17:47 < daja77> hi __mnemoc  btw
17:47 < daja77> there
17:48 < __mnemoc> hi daja77 :) ... how is rtai going?
17:49 < daja77> ahem maybe I release later that day depend s on how my other projects progress ;)
17:50 < daja77> the package already compiles
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17:53 < _NULL_> re
17:53 < daja77> wb _NULL_
17:53 < _NULL_> thx
18:06 < rolla> re
18:06 < n00kie_> wb _NULL_
18:06 < daja77> hi rolla
18:07 < daja77> hello n00kie_
18:07 < n00kie_> Hola daja77  :)
18:07 < n00kie_> Comó esta usted? ;)
18:07 < daja77> n00kie_: I am not spanish, remember?
18:08 < n00kie_> yep
18:08 < n00kie_> But you can try :)
18:08 < _NULL_> hi rolla , n00kie_
18:08 < daja77> mir geht es gut, danke
18:09 < n00kie_> Muy bien, gracias le, y?
18:09 < n00kie_> You should write this :)
18:09 < daja77> rolla: #19 ;)
18:09 * n00kie_ constantly learning spanish. ;)
18:14 < __mnemoc> i would love to learn deutsch
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18:14 < daja77> __mnemoc: ;)
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18:15 < __mnemoc> it's too strange... reeealy long words and you said the numbers backward :(
18:15 * n00kie_ is seeing guys talking #rocklinux-talk
18:17 < daja77> __mnemoc: *lool*
18:18 * __mnemoc , the german speaker
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18:25 < Be-El> re
18:25 < n00kie_> wb Be-El
18:25 < daja77> re Be-El
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18:37 * n00kie_ things daja77 is the greetbot. ;)
18:37 < n00kie_> thinks
18:38 < daja77> yeah cos _NULL_  is too0 lazy today for thos :PP
18:38 < daja77> this even
18:39 < n00kie_> _NULL_ is the laziest boy on earth :)
18:39 < daja77> *rofl*
18:39 < daja77> don't tell her...
18:39 < n00kie_> her? ;)
18:40 < daja77> yes you _still_ don't knoe it *ggg*
18:40 < n00kie_> And daja77 is the BF of her? :p
18:41 < daja77> no!
18:41 < n00kie_> i guess, you are. ;)
18:41 < daja77> you guess wrong
18:42 < n00kie_> No, I don't ;)
18:42 < n00kie_> hehe
18:42 -!- moep [~moep@pD9E80EC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
18:42 < n00kie_> moep: #rocklinux-talk
18:42 < n00kie_> :)
18:42 < moep> k thx (:
18:44 < daja77> _NULL_: you mighjt kick n00kie if you please
18:44 < n00kie_> No.
18:44 < n00kie_> daja77 is a bad guy.
18:44 < n00kie_> He wants to kick me.
18:44 < _NULL_> n00kie_: EEEEH!!!  *kick* i'm female!
18:45 < _NULL_> and - daja77 is not my bf
18:45 < _NULL_> but why the hell should i be lazy?
18:45 < daja77> ack
18:46 < daja77> _NULL_: cos it is your job to say hi to the people *ggg*
18:46 < n00kie_> _NULL_ coz Mike1 said it. ;)
18:46 < _NULL_> <-- doing LFS... , so i can't be lzay :p  (and my own distro)
18:46 < daja77> yeah I know
18:46 * n00kie_ thought about Dev_NULL_ Linux. :)
18:47 < daja77> n00kie_: please let her alnoen
18:47 < daja77> alone, damn it
18:48 < n00kie_> alright.
18:48 < netrunner> daja: hey, you're not alone :)
18:48 < netrunner> daja: if you have to much time, you could give me a hint with my problem ...
18:48 < daja77> netrunner: *gg*
18:49 < n00kie_> daja77 never has to much time.
18:49 < n00kie_> He must greet. ;)
18:49 < _NULL_> daja77: why should he leave me alone?
18:49 < _NULL_> .oO(*grml* i'm hating isdn)
18:50 * n00kie_ would give his ADSL Trafficflat for a ISDN Flat.
18:50 < daja77> _NULL_: ahem he shouldn't tease you too much, so that you don't explode today
18:50 < daja77> n00kie_: ???????
18:50 < _NULL_> there's nothing like a isdn-flat... but dial-up...
18:50 < _NULL_> daja77: hrm. yeah. could be true...
18:51 * _NULL_ np: slipknot - people = shit (once again)
19:01 < Mike1> moin all.
19:01 < __mnemoc> wb Mike1
19:01 < n00kie_> wb Mike1 :)
19:02 < __mnemoc> Mike1: rolla was unsuccessfuly trying your iso
19:02 < Mike1> thanks :)
19:02 < Mike1> __mnemoc: mm.. what did he exactly said about it?
19:03 < __mnemoc> an fs module was corrupt and no perl
19:04 < daja77> lol no perl drives rolla crazy :)
19:08 < Mike1> __mnemoc: no perl? on which iso? i created an iso for him this week and it had perl
19:09 < __mnemoc> that's what just what he said :(
19:10 < Mike1> __mnemoc: very strange..
19:10 < __mnemoc> he had to download and build it locally
19:11 < Mike1> mm...
19:11 < Mike1> __mnemoc: very strange
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19:11 < Be-El> re
19:11 < __mnemoc> hi BL
19:12 < __mnemoc> Mike1: i'm trying to add UML as an architecture... any important issue i had to know?
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19:13 < Mike1> UML target you mean?
19:13 < __mnemoc> using architecture/*/download.txt and it's parse-config
19:13 < Mike1> mmm... why as an arch?
19:13 < Mike1> i am working on a User Mode Linux target
19:13 < Mike1> __mnemoc: btw is UML = User Mode Linux for you ?
19:14 < __mnemoc> yep
19:14 < Mike1> why would you add it as an arch and not as a target?
19:14 < __mnemoc> i have used it just over x86.... is it different over other archs?
19:14 < Mike1> well i am not sure, i have never really had the chance to use on others than x86
19:14 < Mike1> but i wouldn't think of adding it as an arch but as a target
19:15 < __mnemoc> i haven't looked it deeply but make menuconfig ARCH=um looks like a pseudo-architecture
19:15 < daja77> Mike1: ack choose uml target and dest arch
19:15 < __mnemoc> doing it as an architecture we could use any target over UML
19:16 < __mnemoc> a UM machine is *not* multiplatform?
19:17 < Mike1> mm... your concept sounds pretty interesting
19:18 < __mnemoc> we could add uml-tools and skan optionaly to any target for hosting uml machines
19:18 < __mnemoc> and build any config to run under it
19:20 < __mnemoc> the other reason to include download.txt to architectures is in patching ALL kernels to make PPC stable ;)
19:23 < Mike1> mm...
19:23 < Mike1> so it would become quite handy to have UML as an arch and also as target...
19:23 < __mnemoc> tell somehitng :(
19:23 < Mike1> sorry for the lag my boss was asking mew something
19:23 < Mike1> :)
19:24 < daja77> mooo
19:24 < __mnemoc> 'real' work is first :D
19:24 < __mnemoc> mooo? daja77 is a cow?
19:25 < daja77> __mnemoc: sure a mad cow :pp
19:25 < __mnemoc> hehe
19:25 < Mike1> __mnemoc: mooo was the greeting used by the member of the Mathilda cult team
19:25 < Mike1> __mnemoc: you were not here when that existed
19:26 -!- chaosmaster [~niko@dsl-213-023-141-005.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:26 < __mnemoc> writing down... mooo=greeting
19:26 < _NULL_> hi chaosmaster
19:26 < n00kie_> hola chaosmaster :-)
19:26 < __mnemoc> hi chaos
19:27 < chaosmaster> hi, n00kie and all - hdd still down?
19:27 < n00kie_> yep chaosmaster
19:45 -!- george [~jsaw@p3EE1E295.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:46 < george> hallole
19:46 < chaosmaster> hallo
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19:46 < daja77> argh shit
19:47 < esden> daja77: ???
19:47 < daja77> george could have joined #rocklinux-talk as well
19:47 < chaosmaster> goood!
19:48 < daja77> he is there, good
19:48 < snyke> memememememme
19:48 < snyke> EMEEEE
19:48 < snyke> MEEEEEEee
19:48 < snyke> ouch
19:48 < chaosmaster> snyke: me what?
19:48 < snyke> no
19:48 < snyke> #rocklinux-talk
19:48 < snyke> ;)
19:48 < chaosmaster> ja, dann komm
19:48 * snyke sitting next to esden
19:48 < snyke> :)
19:48 < snyke> har
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19:58 < daja77> miret: do you want to join #rocklinux-talk?
19:58 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M370P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
19:58 < miret> yes
19:59 < n00kie> re
19:59 < daja77> miret: do so!
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20:06 < _NULL_> hi tcr
20:07 < _NULL_> tcr: #rocklinux-talk
20:07 < daja77> cool with radio stream
20:07 * n00kie without any Soundcard 
20:08 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9588DDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:08 < tsa> hi all
20:08 < tcr> moin all
20:08 < daja77> tsa: join #rocklinux-talk
20:08 < n00kie> Heya tsa
20:09 < _NULL_> hi tsa
20:09 < Be-El> moin tsa
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20:09 < tcr> Who will translate it? I'd principally do it..
20:14 < tcr> Ping
20:14 * Mike1 hides with the rest of the people
20:14 < daja77> tcr: dunno let's talk about that later
20:14 < tcr> moin Mike1
20:14 < chaosmaster> daja77: hier nix - nur talk!
20:14 < tcr> ?
20:15 < daja77> chaosmaster: :p
20:15 < chaosmaster> mv * /dev/rocklinux-talk
20:15 < Mike1> hi tcr
20:16 < tcr> Muhah! chaosmaster, ain't you multitask capable?! You damn DOS luser!! ;)
20:16 < chaosmaster> hahaha!
20:16 < daja77> lol
20:17 < daja77> anyway I can talk wherever I want
20:17 < chaosmaster> and any lang you want :)
20:19 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@M119P030.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
20:20 < daja77> chaosmaster: nope english here
20:21 < chaosmaster> sayonara, daja77 san.
20:21 < __mnemoc> hehe
20:21 < daja77> ??
20:21 < chaosmaster> i'm just taking some japanese lessons ....
20:22 < daja77> good for you
20:22 < _NULL_> chaosmaster: anime/manga-fan?
20:22 < chaosmaster> jeps!
20:22 < daja77> lol
20:22 < _NULL_> hehe ;)))
20:23 < _NULL_> do you know - blame, blade, fake?
20:23 < daja77> blindcoder
20:24 < _NULL_> daja77: ???
20:24 < daja77> blindcoder <-- anime fan
20:24 < chaosmaster> good 2 know
20:44 -!- varg [varg@p5080AAB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
20:44 < chaosmaster> hello
20:44 < chaosmaster> would you like 2 join the german talk?
20:45 -!- Aska [2987-ident@p50887467.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:45 < Aska> hi
20:45 < chaosmaster> hi
20:45 < _NULL_> hi Aska
20:45 < Aska> hi n00kie!
20:46 < daja77> varg, Aska please join #rocklinux-talk ;)
20:46 < n00kie> Hola Aska
20:46 < n00kie> #rocklinux-talk
20:47 < tcr> Ok, people I don't want to translate it. Too much *bg*
20:48 < daja77> tcr: maybe I can help
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20:48 < Mike1> tcr: you already volunteered to do it, its to late to change ur mind
20:48 < daja77> hehehe
20:48 < daja77> Mike1: do you understand #rocklinux-talk
20:49 < Mike1> daja77: now you have offered yourself to do it with tcr so you can't change your mind
20:49 < Mike1> daja77: lets say i get 30 - 40% of it :((
20:49 < daja77> better than nothing, right?
20:49 < Mike1> daja77: yeah
20:50 < Mike1> hopefully you will be there on the Spanish talk :)
20:50 < tcr> Mike1 is teh a pwn!
20:50 < Mike1> i know n00kie will join us for sure
20:50 < Mike1> tcr: why?
20:50 < tcr> Mike1: Well, not when spanish people write as fast as they talk! ;)
20:51 < n00kie> yes Mike1 :)
20:51 < tcr> Mike1: Well, You german seems to be better than I've expected it
20:52 < Mike1> tcr: is it bad?
20:52 < tcr> Mike1: No, but _I_ can hardly follow it ;) So I thought you're doomed to fail at it
20:52 < Mike1> lol
20:52 < Mike1> tcr: so show us some of your spanish
20:53 < chaosmaster> paelia
20:53 < Mike1> lol
20:53 < Mike1> chaosmaster: Paella :)
20:53 < chaosmaster> ups! ;) ich unwissender ....
20:53 < n00kie> I've got a good spanish teacher :)
20:54 < n00kie> Called Mike1
20:54 < Mike1> chaosmaster: no, just a little typo
20:54 < _NULL_> hehe ;)
20:54 < Mike1> n00kie: hehe
20:54 < tcr> Mike1: I chose french instead spanish two years ago... Though I'm a latin crack, and thus I understand a bit when reading it
20:54 < chaosmaster> Mike1: thanks!
20:54 * _NULL_ needs to improve her spanish till june, too
20:54 < daja77> _NULL_: why?
20:54 < Mike1> sure you guys have one moneht to become fluent in spanish
20:54 < Mike1> so hurry up
20:54 * Mike1 *vbeg*
20:54 < _NULL_> daja77: because i will be in spain for about two weeks
20:55 < _NULL_> Mike1: blllllll :p
20:55 < daja77> _NULL_: ah yes
20:55 < Mike1> _NULL_: there will be a rock linux spanish talk in june also, will you join us?
20:55 < _NULL_> Mike1: nope.
20:55 < Mike1> _NULL_: !
20:56 < _NULL_> <-- will be lazy and drive trough mallorca and so on
20:56 < Mike1> _NULL_: as n00kie stated you are always too lazy
20:56 < Mike1> == 06:02:16 =[5]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.3.99.2 1.7-snapshot].
20:56 < Mike1> == 05/10/03 06:53:39 =[5]=> Finished building package xfree86.
20:56 < _NULL_> Mike1: *kick*
20:56 < Mike1> geez 50 minutes building xfree86
20:57 < Mike1> this is slow >_< :((
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21:00 < netrunner> Mike: nobody breaks my 9h glibc :)
21:00 < Mike1> netrunner: urrgss!
21:00 < Mike1> netrunner: it takes 20 minutes to build here :)
21:00 < daja77> netrunner: why did you use a 286
21:00 < netrunner> Mike: do you have a smp box?
21:01 < Mike1> netrunner: hehe yes :)
21:01 < netrunner> daja: p3-500
21:01 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk All german speaking JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( clifford 1.7 tree: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7; rxr 2.0 tree: svn co http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/ )
21:01 -!- Topic set by esden [Sat May 10 13:40:55 2003]
21:01 < netrunner> mike: what setup? (I need a new build box :)
21:01 * Mike1 has 3 smp boxes to play with
21:01 < netrunner> mike: so what do you recommend?
21:01 < Mike1> netrunner: Box 1: 2x450mhz P2 512mb RAM
21:02 < Mike1> netrunner: Box 2: 2x1500mhz Athlon MP 1024MB RAM
21:03 < Mike1> netrunner: Box 3: 4x2400 Xeon 4096mb RAM
21:03 < Mike1> but box 3 is currently bene used for another thing so cant build rock on it :(
21:04 < netrunner> mike: oh, 4x xeon will probably be to expensive  for me :)
21:04 < Mike1> netrunner: and there is my home box which is 2x1700 mhz Atlon XP + 512mb ram
21:04 < netrunner> mike: if box2 needs <1h for xfree, this will suffice I think :)
21:04 < Mike1> netrunner: get a dual 2400 Athlon xp, it will do the trick to you
21:05 < netrunner> mike: I read on the web that athlon mp does not always work ... bur those comments were rather old. has that changed?
21:05 < n00kie> Mike1: I would have box 3 :)
21:05 < Mike1> n00kie: hehe
21:05 < chaosmaster> Mike1: pls join sparc discussion in talk
21:05 < netrunner> nookie: i have boxes like this at work, but they run the wrong os :)
21:06 < n00kie> ehehe
21:06 < n00kie> Box 1: 1*P1 120MHz, Box 2: 1*Celeron 500, Box 3: 1*Athlon XP 2300
21:07 < netrunner> oh, the total # of boxes is  10 (currently powered on: 5) here :)
21:07 < netrunner> but half of them is _way_ out of discussion for a build machine :)
21:07 < netrunner> (oldest is an 8086 portable with 8MHz and 2x2,5" DD drives)
21:07 < Mike1> chaosmaster: damn my german is too lame o help the guy
21:08 < Mike1> i need a translator
21:08 < n00kie> Mike1:
21:08 < n00kie> Should I translate?
21:08 < netrunner> mike: i could try, whom?
21:08 < chaosmaster> thats sad - as his eng is also poor
21:08 < Mike1> yes please help me guys
21:08 < Mike1> chaosmaster: i understand a bit but to answer is another story :(
21:09 < chaosmaster> im just asking if he wishes more contact
21:10 < netrunner> seems not to be neccessary any more ...
21:14 < Mike1> many querys for me
21:14 * Mike1 driving cr4azy
21:15 < daja77> lol, poor Mike1
21:16 < chaosmaster> there are 35 ppl asking <scream>
21:16 < Mike1> chaosmaster: it is a nightmare for you now think of someone understanding less than 40% of the questions
21:16 < daja77> *aargh*
21:17 < chaosmaster> Mike1: but its nice, you try it anyway! there's less traffic on the list, but hopefully some of them will arrive there
21:18 < Mike1> yes if we manage to get 2 or 3 users from thisd talk it will be a success
21:19 < Mike1> even if wer only get 1 user
21:19 < chaosmaster> :)
21:19 < chaosmaster> but please 1 active user, even if he reports "it doesnt work for me" - we neeed more feedback
21:19 < Mike1> chaosmaster: after this german talk spanish talk will come and so it will happen with other langs
21:20 < Mike1> so its cool :)
21:20 < daja77> ack
21:20 < chaosmaster> Mike1: i dont speek spanish, but can offer polish and "japanese" ;)
21:21 < Mike1> chaosmaster: so you and esden speak polish i feela  polish talk comming soon :)
21:21 < Mike1> an english talk should be offered to sometime
21:21 < chaosmaster> that possible all the time, as rocklinux is online and the ml is also there
21:22 < Mike1> chaosmaster: yes, but i mean it as a PR thing to bring more people
21:22 < Mike1> :)
21:23 < chaosmaster> of course, PR is always good
21:24 < Mike1> this talks idea is something that i like very much
21:24 < daja77> Mike1: ack
21:24 < chaosmaster> we can reach more ppl by this and maybe its not so hard to ask question among other newbies
21:32 < netrunner> chaosmaster: I also speak some words polish: pivo, motek (uh, I said speak, not spell ;)
21:32 < chaosmaster> yes, its ok - you will at least get drunken and than hammered to death ;)
21:34 < netrunner> chaos: I also remember that girl teaching me 'do not kiss', but I can not remember this one as it has not been important to me ;)
21:35 < chaosmaster> nie caluj
21:36 < netrunner> ah :) well - it's not been that essential :)
21:36 < chaosmaster> i know - you wouldnt need that
21:37 < netrunner> and I created my own cussword with the help of a dictionairy, sounds like 'jaiko na mienko' (should mean sth like soft egg, the german 'weichei' ;)
21:38 < netrunner> they polish guys here soon started to use it :)
22:19 < Mike1> 1530 builds total, 417 completed fine, 7 with errors.
22:19 < rxr> re
22:19 < Mike1> rxr !
22:19 < Mike1> welcome back :)
22:19 < martin> hi rxr
22:19 < Mike1> rxr join #rocklinux-talk
22:19 < daja77> ack, I need a pause
22:20 < Mike1> daja77: a pause? what for?
22:20 < daja77> to fetch a pizza
22:20 < Mike1> lazy boy
22:20 < daja77> lazy sorry it is 22:20 and I had no dinner
22:21 < Mike1> :))
22:21 < Mike1> daja77: ok you are allowe dto eat
22:21 < Mike1> :P
22:21 < daja77> Mike1: thank you very much, you are so nice to me...
22:22 < Mike1> of course
22:22 < Mike1> i am always nice
22:22 < Mike1> :P
22:22 < daja77> Mike1: go to woden and report :p
22:22 < Mike1> i did
22:23 < Mike1> daja77: but no one is talking
22:24 < rxr> is there something usefull on the -talk ? I currently see nothing interesting
22:25 < rxr> is there a log ?
22:25 < daja77> rxr: yeah the bsd guys are totally annoying
22:25 < tcr> Well, as usual ;)))
22:26 < daja77> tcr: yeah
22:26 < tcr> There must be a school for them that teachs them about arrogance and annoyance of linux users ;)))
22:26 < daja77> tcr: the best thing is that one of them blames me for intolerance on another chan
22:27 < rxr> is there a log?
22:27 < rxr> esden: are you here? do you have a log ?
22:27 < tcr> Well, Already too narrow-minded to see their narrow-mindness ;) That also got a special psychologic term, that I'm not aware of though
22:27 < daja77> esden is away
22:27 < tcr> rxr: Esden logs, but he went away
22:29 < daja77> this discussion sucks
22:29 < Mike1> daja77: ?
22:29 < tcr> daja77: Hmm?
22:29 < daja77> I'll tell you later get some food first
22:30 -!- cOdEz [~codez@p5090776C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:30 < cOdEz> hi
22:30 < tcr> Moin
22:30 < daja77> hi cOdEz
22:31 < cOdEz> und wie laeuft der chat?
22:32 < __mnemoc> cOdEz: english please
22:33 < cOdEz> kk
22:33 < cOdEz> everbody here enjoy the talk?
22:34 < _NULL_> dennis == cOdEz ?
22:35 < cOdEz> no
22:35 < cOdEz> cOdEz == cOdEz
22:35 < _NULL_> ok...
22:35 < cOdEz> :)
22:35 < rxr> strange chat ...
22:36 < tcr> rxr: You came to the wrong point of time, maybe that's it! ;)
22:36 < rxr> tcr: hm - I'll read the log later ...
22:36 < __mnemoc> how will translate these 5 hours?
22:36 < n00kie> esden
22:37 < tcr> __mnemoc: By cutting most off. Picking out the questions and the answers
22:37 < Mike1> __mnemoc: tcr and daja77 so kindly volunteered to translate it all.
22:37 < n00kie> ah
22:37 < Be-El> man babelfish ;-)
22:37 < tcr> __mnemoc: under a structure of course
22:37 < tcr> s,under,in,
22:37 < daja77> wow fireworks again
22:38 < daja77> cOdEz: no I don't enjoy it
22:38 < Mike1> hehe
22:38 < cOdEz> daja77: why i don't?
22:38 < cOdEz> daja77: why u don't?
22:38 < cOdEz> :)
22:39 < daja77> cOdEz: these bsd guys getting on my nerves
22:39 < tcr> daja77: why not... c'm on, you need an Ego to survive anyway
22:39 < tcr> Even in the ``real'' world
22:40 < daja77> tcr: ack it is just so *38##23*
22:40 < _NULL_> http://downloads.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs-bootscripts-1.11.tar.bz2
22:40 < daja77> *aaargh* they discuss novell
22:40 < _NULL_> *argh* sorry...
22:47 < tcr> __mnemoc! Sorry, I still can't send emails (I'm about spending some investigation why right now), but:
22:47 < tcr> __mnemoc: http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=646
22:48 < tcr> __mnemoc: That was the email I wanted to refer you to
22:48 < tcr> s,refer,point, # gosh, where are my thoughts today
22:52 < __mnemoc> thanks
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23:06 < rxr> Mike1: should the minimal target be bootable ?
23:07 < rxr> (from CD ?)
23:07 < Mike1> rxr well to be installed yes of course
23:07 < rxr> do run directly live-cd-style from CD, without installation?
23:08 < Mike1> mm... that would require a total redisgn of the target and wouldn't do what it is spected to do
23:08 < Mike1> rxr: but the packages on it could be used as the base for for the live-cd target
23:08 < Mike1> rxr of course you might be having a great idea that i might be loosing, why would you like to run minimal on a live-cd?
23:09 < Mike1> what advantages would it provide? etc..
23:09 * Mike1 is open to discussion
23:09 < Mike1> :)
23:12 < Mike1> rxr?
23:12 < rxr> jo
23:12 < Mike1> ...
23:13 * Mike1 waiting for rxr's comments...
23:13 < tcr> Mike1: It's quite late over here ;)
23:13 < rxr> it would be mostly used for bootrap compilations, so people would like to build - without hassle with installation ...
23:13 < rxr> but anyway - it can also stay installable as it is now ...
23:14 < Mike1> rxr well we could add new target 'bootstarp' or 'small-live-cd'
23:14 < Mike1> which can do such thing
23:15 < Mike1> i would like to keep minimal installable as it would as well be usefull for others to created other targets based on it, or to simple use it as another router option
23:15 < Mike1> as well as a small system to simply run rock on boxes with smal hd's
23:15 < Mike1> small*
23:15 < n00kie> mmhm
23:15 < n00kie> Mike1: Small LiveCD sounds interresting
23:16 < Mike1> rxr ur idea is nice, very nice, but we also can't forget about users with small systems
23:16 < Mike1> thats why maybe Small-live-cd target could be an interesting idea to do
23:16 < Mike1> what do you think?
23:16 < Mike1> n00kie: :)
23:16 < n00kie> How do you define "Small" Systems?
23:17 < n00kie> I would take the LiveCD for slow computers
23:17 < Mike1> nothing running X is a good start define it
23:17 < n00kie> yep
23:17 < n00kie> I thought about:
23:17 < n00kie> Base System
23:17 < n00kie> Build System (to Basesystem?)
23:18 < n00kie> Some Internettools (Browser, IRC Client, Mailclient)
23:18 < Mike1> n00kie: well if you just wanna run rock on them yes, but if you want to build rock on those systems you might find your self in trouble, also there is the fact on slow systems you won't be able to boot from cdrom on 80%of the cases
23:18 < n00kie> editors
23:18 < n00kie> mm
23:18 < n00kie> yes
23:18 < Mike1> n00kie: we even would take out something from base repos
23:18 < n00kie> you've right
23:18 < tcr> It should stay minimal
23:18 < n00kie> but do you know smartbootmgr?
23:18 < tcr> IMGO
23:19 < tcr> IMHO
23:19 < Mike1> n00kie: no i don't, URL?
23:20 < n00kie> mom
23:20 < Mike1> tcr: what do you think? should minimal be a live-cd thing in stead of instalable?
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23:20 < n00kie> Mike1:
23:20 < n00kie> I don't think it's important to install the livecd
23:21 < daja77> Mike1: both
23:21 < n00kie> Mike1:
23:21 < n00kie> http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/
23:22 < n00kie> It's a Bootmanager, which got installed on a Floppydisk
23:22 < Mike1> daja77: so who votes for the 'Small-LiveCD' target?
23:22 < n00kie> On old systems, you can Boot from CD then
23:22 < Mike1> n00kie: sounds cool
23:22 * n00kie votes
23:22 < Mike1> will check it out
23:22 < Mike1> rxr: what do you think?
23:22 < tcr> Mike1: Live-CD would be an overload
23:22 < Mike1> tcr: ?
23:23 < tcr> Why not just an extra target?
23:23 < Mike1> tcr: are you sure you are reading th question?
23:23 < Mike1>  who votes for the 'Small-LiveCD' target? <---
23:24 * daja77 votes too
23:24 < daja77> *argh* I was cut
23:24 < n00kie> :)
23:24 < tcr> <Mike1> tcr: what do you think? should minimal be a live-cd thing in stead of instalable? <- I read that
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23:24 < Mike1> daja77: :)
23:24 < Mike1> tcr: ah okis :)
23:25 < Mike1> tcr: i think its better to keep 2 targets
23:25 < Mike1> as minimal would have to be transformed completely if we turned it into livecd..
23:26 < tcr> Mike1: Hmm, wouldn't it be better to create just a live-cd target where _you_ can yourself select the packages that should get onto the cd(s) ?
23:26 < Mike1> tcr: might be..., but would you consider running more than 1 cd?
23:27 * Mike1 confused on this...
23:27 < rxr> tcr: sure for the livecd target you can select the packages - but it would be nice to provide a normal and a minmal preconfiguration ...
23:27 < n00kie> hmm
23:27 < Mike1> rxr: full ack
23:27 < n00kie> tcr's idea is interreseting too
23:27 < tcr> rxr: Certainly, but that shouldn't be solved by two targets, should it?
23:27 < n00kie> but i think two targets would be better
23:28 < Be-El> if the live-cd target should be used for evaluation purposes, we should strip out all development files like header files, static libraries etc.
23:28 < Be-El> this should reduce the amount of space needed on the cd
23:28 < tcr> Be-El: that could be a 'presentation' target
23:28 < tcr> based upon the live-cd target
23:28 < n00kie> tcr: Ack
23:28 < Be-El> or we should make it a rock-wide option
23:29 < Be-El> the routetr target for example doesn't need these files, too
23:29 < Mike1> :)
23:29 < rxr> we'll see
23:30 < Be-El> .oO (ok, i should had a look at the target script before ;-) )
23:31 < Mike1> rxr: maybe we could work out our ideas and merge them during the week
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23:31 < daja77_> re
23:31 < n00kie> wb daja77
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23:33 < daja77> *argh* damn it my whole session blown up
23:36 < n00kie> hmm
23:36 < n00kie> tcr talked about a presentation target
23:36 < n00kie> what about a "development" and a "presentation" target?
23:37 < Mike1> n00kie: this aka livecd fullfeatured
23:37 < n00kie> Ah, okay.
23:37 < n00kie> Just had the Idea :)
23:38 < Mike1> n00kie: speak out ur ideas :)
23:38 < Mike1> i wanna listen to them
23:38 < n00kie> ehehe :)
23:40 < n00kie> http://proforma.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html <- Didn't know about that
23:41 < daja77> n00kie: why real player for linux is an old hat
23:41 < n00kie> hmm
23:42 < n00kie> I didn't know, that real player is on linux too
23:47 < tcr> Hmmm
23:47 < daja77> it sucks anyway
23:47 < tcr> I'm getting and getting 'Relay Access Denied' from some server -- though I do pop before smtp
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23:48 < tcr> Has anyone a clue what could cause this?
23:48 < n00kie> Mike1: Do you thought about the packages, that the "Small Live CD" will contain?
23:49 < Mike1> minimal target pkgs
23:49 < Mike1> maybe a few more..
23:49 < n00kie> I mean, for what usergroup?
23:50 < n00kie> Do you mean just for users, who wanna work
23:50 < Mike1> not sure yet
23:50 < n00kie> or to really PRESENT it ?
23:50 < n00kie> For "PRESENT" what functions rock has got and so ? :)
23:50 < n00kie> and for normal users a workstation
23:50 < n00kie> You understand? :)
23:51 < Mike1> yeah
23:51 < Mike1> brb
23:51 < n00kie> k
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