--- Log opened Tue May 13 00:00:07 2003
--- Day changed Tue May 13 2003
00:00 < tsa> rxr: there'll appear a uucp patch on the list within the next minutes....please apply.. ;)
00:00 < rxr> Be-El: 512 MB ...
00:00 < rxr> ou have new mail in /var/spool/mail/rene
00:00 < rxr> jackson:~$ free
00:00 < rxr>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
00:00 < rxr> Mem:        514992     502852      12140          0      67336     257928
00:00 < rxr> -/+ buffers/cache:     177588     337404
00:00 < rxr> Swap:       524624     125824     398800
00:01 < rxr> the damn think doesn't need to cache so much ...
00:01 < Mike1> Burkhard i got ur mail, thanks :)
00:01 < Be-El> Mike1: no problem
00:02 < rxr> maybe I should put the U-160 SCSI disk I plugged into the Ultra SPARC 5 into my box ;-)
00:02 < rxr> would swap faster *g*
00:02 < daja77> hehe
00:02 < daja77> re btw
00:02 < Be-El> rxr: swap to tmpfs ;-)
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00:02 < rxr> Be-El: errr ?
00:03 < rxr> Be-El: swap to a network-block-device to the mem of the Ultra 5 ?
00:03 < tsa> arghs
00:03 < esden> re
00:03 < Be-El> rxr: a swapfile residing in tmpfs is the fastest way to swap ;-)
00:03 < daja77> hey esden wb
00:03 < Be-El> s/tmpfs/shmfs/
00:04 < rxr> Be-El: and the best way to waste performance over disabling swap in the first place ?
00:06 < tsa> building on a sun ipc?
00:06 < tsa> should be even slower.
00:07 < Be-El> tsa: nope, building on a sun ipc with old ide drive....
00:07 < tsa> Be-El: ultra 5/10 is ide crap
00:07 < tsa> ipc will probably use scsi
00:08 < esden> rxr: what do you need from me?
00:08 < rxr> tsa: my Ultra5 has and Adapted SCSI controler and an U-160 10.000rpm IBM SCSI disc
00:09 < rxr> esden: oh - hm I forgot?
00:09 < rxr> ah I remeber ;-)
00:09 < rxr> you said that the onoptimized generic build was not able to build kdelibs, correct ?
00:09 < tsa> rxr: does the adaptec do u160, too?
00:09 < esden> rxr: it was optimized for p2 ... i think ...
00:09 * -> esden checking
00:10 < rxr> tsa: sadly no ... - hadn't enougth money and the Adaptec already lying around here ..
00:10 < tsa> ah, i see...i chose to use a symbios 53c875-based scsi-controller with the u10..
00:11 < tsa> (cheap to have, and 100% working..)
00:11 < rxr> tsa: I gues even in the OF ?
00:11 < tsa> yes.
00:11 < esden> rxr: yes p2 ... but it was kde31/kdebase31
00:11 < rxr> mine is not OF-ready. So I boot from IDE ...
00:11 < rxr> esden: ah - and the kdebase failed with ICE ?
00:11 < tsa> <- glad the u60 has onbaord scsi ;)
00:12 < esden> rxr: segfault
00:12 * Mike1 leaving
00:12 < Mike1> cu tomorrow
00:12 < tsa> cu Mike1...
00:12 < Be-El> esden: apropos segfault....xemacs segfaults in the current build
00:12 < esden> n8 Mike1 
00:12 < Be-El> cu Mike1
00:12 < daja77> rxr: I'd like to test a new revision should I check out now or wait some minutes ;)
00:12 < netrunner> ah, hi esden! heard us crying? :)
00:12 < daja77> cu Mike1
00:12 < rxr> esden: had you problem with the kde packages in the former builds using this optimization, too?
00:12 < esden> netrunner: yes ;-)
00:13 < rxr> daja77: hm - up now should be fine
00:13 < esden> rxr: not that I know of ... checking
00:13 < daja77> rxr: okis
00:13 < rxr> but I apply the minor fixes from the ML currently ...
00:13 < tsa> rxr: -> uucp patch
00:13 < tsa> ;-)
00:14 < esden> rxr: no error in a pentium optimized build in an older tree
00:14 < daja77> rxr: I'll never cope with your speed ;)
00:14 < esden> rxr: no error in a p2 build in an even older tree
00:15 < esden> two weeks old tree
00:15 < tsa> build time definetly is a problem...
00:15 < daja77> wow rev 204
00:16 * tsa wants a cluster
00:16 < rxr> esden: ok - so I'm quite sure this is due to the gcc3 update. as the unoptimized 386 builds seems to be ... :-(
00:16 < daja77> tsa: ACK
00:17 < Be-El> tsa: have fun with my maintance script ;-)
00:17 < esden> rxr: not good >_<
00:17 < tsa> Be-El: i will.
00:17 < esden> ok ... I go to bed
00:17 < rxr> esden: I already test and prepare to update to gcc-3.3 ... - but we should bother the gcc folks for a fix for this stuff ...
00:17 < rxr> n8 esden
00:17 < netrunner> esden: n8
00:17 < esden> rxr: full ack ... /me reaches over a lart
00:17 < Be-El> tsa: and you should use -v -d in the first runs....
00:18 < esden> 6 hours of sleep >_<
00:18 < daja77> esden: gn8
00:18 < esden> n8
00:18 < daja77> O_o only exim as mta available
00:19 < rxr> daja77: in the desktop build I disable sendmail  ...
00:20 < rxr> feel free to reenable it in the custom packages selection (I hope this work - never tried)
00:20 < daja77> rxr: ack but we had postfix as additional choice iirc
00:20 < rxr> daja77: o_O
00:21 < daja77> nah I don't like sendmail
00:21 < daja77> rxr: yes I once had the choice of several mtas but only exim is now available
00:22 * daja77 checking
00:24 < JTBurn> gn8 2 all
00:24 < Be-El> ...merging and cross-checking trees...
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00:24 < daja77> JTBurn: gn8
00:24 < daja77> wb jhidalgo
00:25 < daja77> wow 1.7 Config is much slower than 2.0.0
00:25 < jhidalgo> daja77: tanx, I'm really busy this days!
00:25 < daja77> jhidalgo: what are you doin?
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00:26 < jhidalgo> daja77: development (web applications) and university exams
00:26 < Be-El> ...applying perl magic....
00:26 < daja77> jhidalgo: I got the result of an exam today (I passed)
00:26 < n00kie> sleep well guys :)
00:26 < Be-El> cu n00kie
00:26 < jhidalgo> daja77: congrats
00:26 < n00kie> bye Be-El
00:26 < daja77> damn my 1.7 checkout is too old (has only the nullmailer crap in it)
00:27 < daja77> jhidalgo: thx
00:27 < jhidalgo> n00kie: ya te vas a dormir?
00:27 < daja77> n00kie: gn8
00:27 < n00kie> bye daja :)
00:27 < n00kie> bye jhidalgo
00:27 < daja77> jhidalgo: this looks like french to me
00:27 < daja77> a bit
00:29 < daja77> Be-El: perl magic == executable brain dump?
00:29 < Be-El> daja77: hehe, nope...i'm testing a script to maintain a rock build tree
00:30 < jhidalgo> daja77: no way!, castellano puro!
00:31 < rxr> tsa: could you point me to the uucp patch you wanna get applied ?
00:31 < tsa> on the list.
00:31 < daja77> jhidalgo: okis, I only learned french at school and in this case it would be similar to it
00:31 < rxr> date?
00:31 < tsa> 30 minutes ago
00:31 < tsa> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:58:47 +0200
00:31 < tsa> From: Sebastian Jaenicke <tsa@jaenicke.org>
00:31 < tsa> Subject: [rock-linux] [patch] uucp
00:31 < tsa> To: <rock-linux@rocklinux.org>
00:31 < rxr> ah just arrived
00:31 < tsa> ok ;)
00:32 < daja77> WEEEE mirrors working again
00:32 < rxr> daja77: yes! - but currently no new files will show up on the - just the current files already on them will be present
00:34 < daja77> haha the requested file was not found ;)
00:34 < rxr> tsa: applied Committed revision 210.
00:34 < tsa> thx
00:34 < daja77> hmm strange only the australian mirrors were not responding, but all the other, this is new to me
00:34 < daja77> rxr: should I recheckout?
00:35 < rxr> daja77: this where patches from the ML
00:35 < Be-El> *strike* maintaince script is working
00:35 < rxr> so if you notived s.th. interesting for you do an up - otherwise ....
00:35 < daja77> haven't read ml today, will do later this day ;)
00:35 < tsa> Be-El: submit ;)
00:36 < daja77> rxr down't matter buold just starte so abortiung will be no prblem
00:36 < daja77> *aaargh*
00:36 < tsa> daja77: huh?
00:36 * daja77 drunk
00:37 < daja77> tsa: read the shit I wrote above?
00:37 * tsa dsn't nderstnd
00:37 < Be-El> tsa: i should try it without -d first ;-)
00:37 < tsa> ;)
00:38 * daja77 dies
00:38 < Be-El> ...restarting build....
00:38 * daja77 smashing head against the wall
00:38 < daja77> I deleted my minimal build, damn
00:39 < daja77> well some wise guy once said, you are never drunk enough to forget your root password
00:40 < daja77> >_<
00:42 < rxr> Committed revision 212.
00:42 < daja77> this is haunting me
00:42 < rxr> so I think not all ML stuff should be merged
00:42 < rxr> daja77: this is sooo simple:
00:42 < rxr> do a svn up
00:43 < daja77> I do
00:43 < rxr> do a ./scripts/Create-ErrLst -cfg your-cfg-id -newdelete
00:43 < daja77> but I lost my minimal build anyway >_<
00:43 < rxr> continue the build by ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg your-cfg-id
00:43 < rxr> this work in 95% of all cases
00:43 < daja77> ja ja ja...
00:44 < rxr> this is only ugly for packags that got renamed or removed
00:44 * rxr should add post-commit.pl to mail commit emails ;-)
00:44 < daja77> ;)
00:44 * tsa will add rxr to spamfilter, then ;-)))
00:45 < daja77> hehehe
00:46 < daja77> tsa: no as long as he doesn't write about penis enlargement it is ok...
00:46 < rxr> tsa: not to rock-linux
00:46 < rxr> to rock-stable or so  !
00:46 < tsa> daja77: rotfl
00:46 < tsa> rxr: ah, ok
00:47 < rxr> tsa: many people like notifications about changes in the source
00:47 < daja77> hmm no src dir?
00:47 < Be-El> tsa: submitted
00:47 < tsa> Be-El: ack ;)
00:47 < rxr> daja77: hm ?
00:47 < daja77> I have no src dir in latest checkout, is this intended?
00:48 < daja77> you know for src/Download-Mirror and stuff
00:48 < Be-El> daja77: ./src is created by scripts/Download, scripts/Config etc.
00:49 < daja77> hehe ok, so I guess why Download fscked up here ;)
00:49 < rxr> daja77: the src never was in the archive - it is created on need
00:49 < rxr> daja77: hae ? Download did not worked with an non-exiting src ?
00:49 < daja77> hell yes, doin scripts/Download and svn up is no good idea I guess
00:50 < rxr> daja77: why ?
00:50 < daja77> src was killed by svn and Download printed errors ;)
00:51 < rxr> err ? hae? svn up should not touch download ....
00:51 < daja77> well scripts/Download: line 733: src/down.8433.lst: No such file or directory
00:51 < daja77> scripts/Download: line 733: src/down.8433.lst: No such file or directory
00:51 < daja77> and src vanished
00:51 < rxr> are you sure you did not cleanup in parallel ?
00:52 < daja77> hmm I am not sure about anything now .oO
00:52 < rxr> daja77: I just tested on my iBook - a svn up did not touched any of the src* dirs !
00:53 < daja77> ok started new download
00:54 < daja77> rxr: dunno what happended
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00:55 < holyolli> moin
00:55 < Be-El> moin holyolli
00:55 < holyolli> moin bl
00:56 < daja77> hi holyolli
00:56 < rxr> hi holyolli
00:56 < holyolli> hi daja
00:56 < holyolli> hi rxr
00:57 < mnemoc> re
00:57 < rxr> hm subversion access is causing "95.7 %" of the traffic on the server ...
00:57 < daja77> rxr: do I have to download much new stuff
00:57 < rxr> nope - only 6 packags or so ...
00:57 < daja77> yeah I'm using it quite frequently
00:58 < rxr> daja77: strangely enought Chirs Hamilton with his intouch is causing most traffic ...
00:58 < daja77> hehe
00:59 < daja77> hmm my box is quite warm building for three days now
01:00 < rxr> daja77: mine should be even hotter
01:00 < rxr> I have a temp. regulated envermax power-suply and a selfmade temp. control for the papst fan on the CPU
01:00 < daja77> sure
01:01 * daja77 did the whole yesterday two builds at once
01:01 < rxr> the good: it is really really quite (nearly as quite as the iBook) the bad: it gets quite warm - but it never had a stabilitxy problem because of this
01:01 < rxr> 3.77, 3.88, 3.52
01:01 < rxr> 3+ builds at once ...
01:02 < daja77> hmm mine is loud, but the street I am living is much louder
01:02 < daja77> it is an fscking bundesstrasse
01:02 < rxr> although I'm in berlin our street is really quiet - we enjoy it ;-)
01:03 < rxr> daja77: ;-(
01:03 < daja77> rxr: sure a few streets away it is quiet too
01:03 < rxr> daja77: any here a few strees away is it quite loud ;-)
01:04 < daja77> you lucky bastard ;)
01:04 < rxr> hm:
01:04 < rxr> +- hch: devfs: there's a fundamental lookup vs devfsd race that's only
01:04 < rxr> +  fixable by introducing a lookup vs devfs deadlock.  I can't see how this is
01:04 < rxr> +  fixable without getting rid of the current devfsd design.  Mandrake seems
01:04 < rxr> +  to have a workaround for this so this is at least not triggered so easily,
01:04 < rxr> +  but that's not what I'd consider a fix..
01:07 < rxr> btw today I found a rather cool raytrace:
01:07 < rxr> http://3dluvr.com/ziemdesign/images/rave_girl.jpg
01:11 * daja77 uses a povray sample as X backgrounbd
01:12 < rxr> My current background is:
01:12 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/background.png
01:14 < daja77> *argl* damn dynamic ips
01:15 * daja77 uses the balcony scene
01:15 < rxr> hm? the gmsp one is static ? or what do you mean ?
01:15 < mnemoc> rxr: how big is your monitor? o_O
01:15 < holyolli> rxr: btw. do you know, where i can find an actual binary snap of drock?
01:15 < daja77> no ip changed quit my binutils download at 82%
01:16 < rxr> mnemoc: an very old 21" one ...
01:17 < rxr> I usually use 1152x900 ...
01:17 < daja77> the girl picture is cool
01:17 < rxr> holyolli: jups mom
01:18 < rxr> holyolli: choose one from:
01:18 < rxr> http://www2.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/binary.html
01:18 < holyolli> rxr: thx
01:19 < rxr> holyolli: I read (some days ago - sig) that you sold one alpha around last xmas ?
01:20 < holyolli> rxr: ack.
01:21 < daja77> rxr: do you need an alpha
01:21 < rxr> to bad I missed this due to the xmas stress.
01:21 < rxr> daja77: err? you have spare ones ?
01:21 < daja77> no but rolla is selling
01:21 < rxr> holyolli: did it go to a ROCK devel ?
01:21 < rxr> daja77: ebay ?
01:22 < daja77> yeah but he hasn't told me url
01:23 < rxr> but not this one: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2728662516&category=8077
01:24 < rxr> ;-) ?
01:25 < daja77> *hmpf* I am not talking from X :(
01:25 < holyolli> rxr: nope - anywhere to a company in denmark production fishfood... =)
01:25 < holyolli> rxr: do you want to compile rock or why do you need one?
01:26 < rxr> holyolli: just curious - I would like to compile ROCK - but to be serious I gues my time is already too limited ....
01:26 < rxr> but an alpha would be nice ....
01:26 < daja77> ACK
01:27 < rxr> maybe I should finish the sparc stuff first - but the 270 Mhz are so slow that it is not fun to do work on it ...
01:27 < holyolli> rxr: 1.7 has still a lot of problems compiling with alpha...
01:27 < holyolli> rxr: this would probably be a _lot_ of work....
01:27 < rxr> holyolli: hm strange
01:28 < rxr> holyolli: sparc and powerpc are quite ok - there was a time (some months ago) where my sparc had less build erros than a x86 build ;-)
01:28 < daja77> hmm ort: frankenhausen/bayern no this is not rolla
01:29 < daja77> damn games
01:31 < Be-El> anyways...i'm off
01:31 < daja77> gn8 Be-El
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01:38 < daja77> jhidalgo: hehe
01:40 < daja77> rxr: started build with rev 212, go now to bed
01:42 < daja77> cu guys
01:42 < rxr> daja77: n8 - I hope the build will be fine
01:42 < rxr> many patches applied ... so
01:42 * daja77 hopes this too
01:42 < daja77> rxr: yeah release 2.0.0 tomorrow ;)
01:44 < rxr> hm ?
01:44 < daja77> if it works you can release, just kidding you know
01:45 < rxr> ;-) ok - gute Nacht !
01:45 < daja77> ja ja ich geh ja schon...
01:45 < rxr> musst du ja nicht ;-)
01:45 < daja77> doch
01:46 < tfing> has the groff bug been solved ?
01:46 < daja77> wegen dir hätt ich heut fast ne vorlesung verpasst
01:46 < daja77> :)
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01:47 * daja77 now in maintainance mode
01:49 < mnemoc> 212?? i just update to 200 :(
01:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I applied all usefull patches from the ML
01:51 < rxr> and please update to Committed revision 214.
01:51 < rxr> since I had a big typo in 213 ...
01:52 < mnemoc> this versioning schema grows fast
02:01 < rolla> re
02:03 < mnemoc> wb rolla... still locking for mike?
02:07 < rolla> yup
02:07 < rolla> I am loading debian on my alpha's
02:11 < rolla> how are you doing mnemoc ?
02:14 < mnemoc> fine but falling sleep
02:15 < mnemoc> sleept? <-- how is it written?
02:16 < mnemoc> my english is worst everyday :(
02:18 < rxr> puh on ebay:
02:18 < rxr> Kugelschreiber, original -SUN-
02:19 < rolla> mnemoc: asleep
02:19 * rxr sleeping now too 
02:19 < rxr> cu
02:19 < rolla> rxr: what are you trying to buy on ebay?
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02:20 < rxr> ah hi rolla
02:20 < rxr> you wanna get rid of an alpha box ?
02:22 < rolla> I am selling one yes :)
02:23 < rxr> rolla: link ?
02:23 < rolla> I have no link yet
02:23 < rxr> oh many Mhz and CPUs ?
02:23 < rolla> 333mhz
02:23 < rolla> ev5
02:23 < rolla> alcor
02:23 < rolla> 128M of ram
02:23 < rolla> it is a slow alpha
02:24 < rxr> ah yes - ic
02:26 < rxr> ok so good night
02:26 < rxr> cu
02:26 < rolla> bye
02:36 < mnemoc> http://divxstation.com/comm/thread.asp?i=16&t=25160&r=0
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04:45 < jose> php sucks!!
04:45 < mnemoc> porque?
04:51 < jose> mnemoc: mae, si declaro variables solo sobreviven un nivel de include_once
04:55 < mnemoc> que tiene que ver un include con el scope?
05:01 < rolla> now this the spainish channel?
05:03 < mnemoc> sorry :(
05:04 < mnemoc> <jose> mnemoc: 'mae'?, if i declare variables they just survive one level of include_once
05:05 < mnemoc> <mnemoc> what relation exists betwwen an include and the scope?
05:11 < jose> mnemoc: That's what I said!, no idea!
05:11 < mnemoc> you have to be redefining it somewhere
05:12 < jose> yep!, paste my include's in one file! :-(
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06:22 < esden> good morning ;-)
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07:07 < blindcoder> moin
07:41 < esden> moin blindcoder 
07:41 * -> esden off -> uni
08:04 < rxr> re
08:04 < esden> argh ... I am too early >_<
08:04 < esden> I still have half an hour >_<
08:08 < rxr>    Mark Mitchell <mar GCC 3.3: Final Release Tomorrowish
08:08 < rxr> I plan to make the final release of GCC some time tomorrow.
08:09 < esden> I hope that it will resolve the segfault problem >_<
08:09 < rxr> esden: I have not got far compiling with the prerelease ...
08:10 < rxr> so first it will cause some regressions - so we'll not update the gcc3 package in the next weeks
08:10 < rxr> even the linux24 floating point emulation does not compile with the prerelease ...
08:13 < esden> rxr: do you think that it is a good idea to update gcc at all ... and not downgrade to the working (older) version?
08:13 < esden> we want to stabilaze ... you know? ;-)
08:14 < rxr> esden: nope the gcc-3.2.3 fixes many PR's and code generation.
08:14 < rxr> we simply need to a a) search for some patch ourselfs, or b) ask the folks if there is one for this particular case ...
08:15 < esden> I hope that you are right ... 
08:15 < esden> ok ... I have to go to statistical and neuronal learnsystems lecture ...
08:15 < esden> cu l8er
08:15 < rxr> we also hat code-generation bug reports with the 3.2.2 ...
08:15 < rxr> cu
08:15 < esden> ohh ... ok
08:19 < rxr> so the binutils update helped kde on ppc ;-) compiling fine now
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08:55 < netrunner> moin
08:56 < _NULL_> hi
08:56 < _NULL_> oh mann... school is sooooooooooooooooooooooo sense-less
08:56 < blindcoder> moin nully
08:56 < _NULL_> hi blindcoder
08:57 < blindcoder> _NULL_: then f<all asleep.
08:57 * _NULL_ becoming amok-laufer
08:57 < _NULL_> blindcoder: nope
08:57 < blindcoder> It's what I'm currently thinking about...
08:57 < _NULL_> blindcoder: hm?
08:58 < blindcoder> I'm sleepy
08:58 < blindcoder> I don't have a challenge at work
08:58 < blindcoder> and I want to go home.
08:59 < rxr> blindcoder: I know this when I'm at work ...
09:00 < blindcoder> rxr: yeah... especially after six hours of sleep on nothing but an "ISO-Matte" on hard floor
09:01 < blindcoder> but that was still better than driving 100 km home, sleep 4 hours and drive 100km back to work :P
09:01 < rxr> blindcoder: you selpt at work ?
09:02 < _NULL_> blindcoder: sleeping on a "iso-matte" or "luftmatraze" is great imho
09:02 < blindcoder> rxr: no, at esden :)
09:02 < blindcoder> _NULL_: lufmatratze > iso-matte
09:02 < blindcoder> rxr: no, not on him :/
09:03 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *g* sure not at him?
09:04 < blindcoder> _NULL_: I'm sure I only slept on the iso-matte, nothing and noone else
09:12 < _NULL_> blindcoder: i will ask esden :p
09:13 < blindcoder> _NULL_: I won't stop you
09:13 < blindcoder> GAH
09:13 < blindcoder> AOLs @ bingo!
09:16 < _NULL_> AOL?
09:17 < blindcoder> Mail on admin@bingo-ev.de:
09:17 < blindcoder> From: Roberto Armenti <...>
09:17 < blindcoder> On <date> Manfred Gilg wrote:
09:18 < blindcoder> [ insert fullquote here, I omit it for #rocklinux' sake ]
09:18 < blindcoder> [ 50+ lines ]
09:18 < blindcoder> Deine Meinung vertrete ich auch.
09:18 < blindcoder> Ciao,
09:18 < blindcoder> Raberto.
09:18 < _NULL_> humpf
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09:20 < _NULL_> hi n00kie
09:22 < n00kie> Hola _NULL_ :)
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09:47 < rxr> wow - glibc23 is now progressing with gcc33 ...
09:48 < rxr> damn gnu dung
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09:57 < rxr> oh glibc still building using gcc33 - me off reading again
10:10 < esden> blindcoder: they will never learn how to wirte mails correctly ... >_<
10:10 < blindcoder> esden: I fear so -_-
10:11 < blindcoder> esden: OTOH: they will never learn anything else, too
10:12 < netrunner> moin esden
10:13 < esden> hi netrunner 
10:13 < esden> urgh ... /me running to DS
10:14 < blindcoder> *lol*
10:16 < netrunner> esden: 'not worth it, its only 1h anyway (/me staying at home :)
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10:24 < JTBurn> hola
10:31 < netrunner> hi JTBurn
10:32 < _NULL_> re all
10:32 < _NULL_> *lol* netrunner and esden "wechseln sich ab"
10:33 < netrunner> null: shared suffering is half sufferning :)
10:33 < _NULL_> netrunner: ack :)
10:34 < _NULL_> gnaaaa.... won't you go to educational school instead of me, netrunner ? ;)
10:40 < blindcoder> _NULL_: if he has just a pint of common sense left from being exposed to esden, then he won't do it :P
10:40 < netrunner> if you tell me what an educational school is? I only know of elementary/grammar/high schools (or leo does so ;)
10:41 < blindcoder> netrunner: "Berufsschule"
10:41 < netrunner> ah, thx
10:41 < netrunner> this is where my little brother has his exams today :)
10:41 < blindcoder> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/05/matrix.html World May End If You Do
10:41 < blindcoder> Not See The Matrix Reloaded
10:41 < blindcoder> *MWAHAHA*
10:47 < netrunner> ok,ok, I'll go to the varsity too :/
10:56 < blindcoder> off for lunch
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11:19 < esden> re 
11:25 < n00kie> wb esden :)
11:30 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
11:30 < esden> re blindcoder 
12:00 < esden> ok ... off for learning ...
12:00 < esden> cu l8er
12:00 < blindcoder> baba
12:00 < esden> ok ... I have to stay another 10 mins ...
12:00 < blindcoder> mhyL
12:01 < blindcoder> why?
12:01 < esden> waiting for download to finish
12:01 < blindcoder> tztz
12:01 < esden> mtost ...
12:01 < blindcoder> oh..., that's why my machine is so laggy :P
12:02 < esden> do not complain ... the download is slow enough :P
12:02 < blindcoder> *complain*
12:02 < esden> 8.09 kB/s
12:02 * -> esden takes out his lart
12:03 * blindcoder casts a....
12:03 < blindcoder> nah
12:03 * blindcoder just hits esden with his own LART first :P
12:03 < esden> autsch ...
12:03 < esden> ok ... /me goes away ignoring blindcoder 
12:03 < blindcoder> STRIKE!
12:03 * -> esden packs the lart away
12:03 < blindcoder> VICTORY!
12:03 < blindcoder> THE BANDWIDTH IS MINE AGAIN!
12:04 * -> esden takes out a katana and goes back to blindcoder and hits his head off ...
12:04 * blindcoder 's body looks at the head on the floor
12:05 < blindcoder> "Good boy. Now see what a mess you've made. And who do you think will have to clean that back up?"
12:05 * -> esden packs his katana away ... and goes ... not saying a word
12:05 * blindcoder puts his head back onto his shoulders
12:05 * blindcoder takes out a phaser and desintegrates esden
12:06 * -> esden is reintegrating in hyperspace ... and enters blindcoders head and desintegrates synaps connections in his head
12:07 * blindcoder 's leftovers are now taking a leaf out of DHR's book and throws a small tactical nuclear weapon at esden
12:08 * -> esden can not be hit because he is in the hyperspace ...
12:09 < esden> ok ... download finished ... so I can stop the fight ... 
12:09 < blindcoder> esden: so you also can't fry my synapses
12:09 < esden> I can because I am energy ... and I can transfer energy impulses to the normal space
12:10 < blindcoder> grmpf
12:10 * -> esden enters ds book and sucks knowledge out of it ...
12:10 < esden> cu l8er
12:10 * blindcoder connects esdens energy impulses to ground and creates a feedback-loop thus brinnging esden into this back
12:10 < blindcoder> okay have fun :)
12:10 < esden> autsch ... 
12:10 < esden> ok ... I am back in normal space ...
12:11 < blindcoder> okay, now everyone.... R U N!
12:11 < blindcoder> :D
12:11 < esden> you moron ... hyperspace is much cooler
12:11 < blindcoder> esden: I don't care :P
12:11 < esden> why have you brought me back?
12:11 < blindcoder> hyperspace has no women
12:11 < esden> ohh ... right ...
12:11 < esden> ok ... thanks then ...
12:11 < blindcoder> V
12:11 < blindcoder> no problem :)
12:11 < esden> ok ... finally off
12:12 < blindcoder> have fun :)
12:29 < _NULL_> re
12:29 < blindcoder> wb nully
12:29 < _NULL_> netrunner: aeh. vocationalschool (berufsschuel)
12:32 < blindcoder> *yawns*
12:32 < _NULL_> blindcoder: lazy man :p
12:32 < rxr> Revision 217 is gcc-3.3 -able
12:32 < blindcoder> _NULL_: it's so.... boooooring here...
12:32 < _NULL_> hi rxr
12:32 < blindcoder> rxr: nice
12:32 < rxr> but I have yet to see how many regressions show up
12:33 < _NULL_> blindcoder: even more boring -- here
12:33 < rxr> the gcc snapshot packages is gccx
12:33 < rxr> (as it has been for some months now ...)
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13:05 < esden> re hi all
13:05 < esden> back home sweet home
13:06 < _NULL_> re esden
13:06 < esden> huhu owl
13:06 < _NULL_> *looking around*
13:06 < _NULL_> owl???
13:06 < _NULL_> which owl?
13:06 < netrunner> null: flew just by the window.
13:07 < esden> _NULL_ == owl
13:07 < _NULL_> netrunner: i c. or he fears dereferencing a NULL-pointer :p
13:07 < esden> netrunner: her correct name is owl ...
13:07 < _NULL_> esden: nack. correct name: _NULL_
13:07 < esden> I still can not understand why she does have a NULL-pointer macro name ... 
13:07 < netrunner> esden: oh, finally I get to know the dark secrets of #rocklinuxx ;)
13:08 < esden> netrunner: hehe ;-)
13:08 < _NULL_> netrunner: hehe ;) btw, who are you?
13:08 < blindcoder> wb esden
13:08 < esden> huhu blindcoder ;-)
13:08 < esden> blindcoder: wanna come by after work?
13:09 < netrunner> null: more than nothing :)
13:09 < esden> ahh you have fittness center today ... :-/
13:09 < blindcoder> esden: thanks, but no. I'm leaving work early today and just want to go home
13:09 < _NULL_> netrunner: :p
13:09 < blindcoder> esden: yeah, that, too :)
13:09 < _NULL_> .oO(what an answer)
13:09 < esden> blindcoder: ok ...
13:09 < netrunner> esden: since my xwho doesn't show your name I recon you went back home to miss bs in time? ;)
13:09 < esden> netrunner: is a lazy student as I am ;-)
13:10 < esden> netrunner: ack ...
13:10 < blindcoder> bs? bullshit?
13:10 < esden> bs == betriebs systeme
13:10 < netrunner> null: well, what shall I tell you about me?  ... nice, attractive ... as all guys spending their time in chatrooms ;)
13:10 < blindcoder> I see. bullshit.
13:10 * -> esden getting tannenbaum book ... and reading
13:10 < _NULL_> netrunner: *lol*
13:10 < netrunner> esden: from the library? are there any more?
13:10 < blindcoder> netrunner: muahaha. I'm only spending my work time on IRC
13:11 < esden> netrunner: no ... I bought tannenbaum's "modern Operating Systems"
13:11 < netrunner> blindcoder: nobody seems to want to talk to you at work ;)
13:11 < esden> I like to own such books
13:11 < esden> so I can lurk in them everytime I want to
13:11 < netrunner> esden: could you create a pdf from it? :)
13:11 < blindcoder> netrunner: no. If someone enters my room or calls me I just growl at them and they leave me alone :P
13:12 < esden> netrunner: if you give me the correct scsi cable so I can finally connect my scanner ... yes ;-)
13:12 < esden> or at least png format
13:13 < netrunner> esden: If you specify the type of cable you need than I can take a _deep_ look in the boxes in the far back of my room.
13:13 * netrunner moving to bs
13:13 < esden> "50 pole male micro" on both sides
13:23 < daja77> re
13:23 < _NULL_> wb daja77
13:24 < daja77> :)
13:25 < blindcoder> I think I'll go home in about 30 mins
13:26 < daja77> *argh* I've just started my day
13:26 < netrunner> esden: It's about virtual machines, hes currently showing websites about vmware *yawn*
13:26 < blindcoder> daja77: Well... damn TZ environment variable I'd say :)
13:27 < daja77> hmmm it should be the same tz as bavaria (only 100 years ahead *ggg*)
13:27 < blindcoder> daja77: but with inferior beer :P
13:28 < esden> netrunner: ahh that part ... how boring ... I heard it last year ... *yawn*
13:28 < daja77> ha don't tell this to the beer drinkers here
13:28 < blindcoder> daja77: what are they usually drinking?
13:28 < daja77> beer
13:29 < daja77> anyway let"s move that beer debate until armijn is here *gg*
13:29 < blindcoder> hehe
13:29 < esden> daja77: good idea /me getting beer ;-)
13:29 < daja77> esden: you alcoholic!
13:30 < n00kie> alcohol is very bad :(
13:30 < daja77> hey n00kie that depends
13:30 < netrunner> nookie: yes, I agree. when alcohol is absent, thats bad.
13:31 < daja77> *argh* luser xp laptop in my view
13:31 < esden> netrunner: wanna come by for a beer?
13:31 < netrunner> daja77: don't tell, I am watching my profs ppt presentation
13:32 < daja77> *puke*
13:32 < netrunner> esden: I've planned ds for today ...
13:32 < esden> hmm ... ack ... me too to be honest ... >_<
13:33 < daja77> netrunner: ds?
13:33 * -> esden searches for a reason not to do it ...
13:33 * daja77 puts the word beerinto esden"s head
13:33 < daja77> damn sun keyboard
13:34 * blindcoder puts a chibi onto esdens head
13:34 < daja77> blindcoder: chibi?
13:35 < esden> chibi chibi chibi *jumparound*
13:35 < esden> ohh god ... my brain feels strange ...
13:35 < esden> chibi chibi chibi ... (urgh)
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13:35 < esden> re netrunner 
13:35 < daja77> well /me off to realtime os lecture now
13:35 < esden> ups
13:35 < esden> i mean n00kie_ 
13:35 < blindcoder> daja77: chibis are small balls of cuteness filled with insanity
13:36 < daja77> hehe
13:36 < netrunner> esden: np, I like it to be noticed :)
13:36 < n00kie_> thx esden :)
13:36 < esden>  /ignore netrunner 
13:36 < esden> ;-)
13:36 < daja77> cu
13:36 < esden> cu daja77 
13:36 * netrunner *ignorance increased*
13:37 < blindcoder> http://www.drowtales.com/archive3.php?location=20030306
13:37 < blindcoder> <-- Chibi Tutorial
13:38 < esden> blindcoder: rofl
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13:45 * blindcoder going home
13:45 < blindcoder> baba
13:46 < _NULL_> bye blindcoder - lucky man *grml*
13:47 < netrunner> ciao blindcoder
13:47 * n00kie_ np: Nightwish - The Kinslayer
13:47 < n00kie_> bye blindcoder :)
13:48 < _NULL_> n00kie_: good music :)
13:49 < n00kie_> yep :)
13:52 < netrunner> ts this guy has at least 20 flashing colored icons in his systray, and wonders why his notebook goes so slow .
13:54 < _NULL_> netrunner: who?
13:54 < netrunner> null: os-prof ...
13:54 < n00kie_> I think she means, which guy :)
13:55 < netrunner> yes, and I said its my os professor :)
13:57 < netrunner> ah - finish. finally.
13:57 < _NULL_> d'ouh. i guess this person should (at least in the theory) know what he is doing
13:57 * _NULL_ off
13:57 < _NULL_> bye
13:58 < netrunner> esden: no bs next monday
14:04 < n00kie_> Can anyone give me a fast rock mirror ?
14:05 < rxr> n00kie_: src or binary ?
14:05 < n00kie_> src
14:05 < rxr> n00kie_: let the download script detect one
14:05 < n00kie_> ./script/Download -mirror just gives me a list of parameters :(
14:06 < rxr> n00kie_: rm src/Download-Mirror
14:06 < n00kie_> i did
14:06 < rxr> and redo download - it will dedect one then.
14:07 < n00kie_> hmm
14:07 < n00kie_> On my machine it works :)
14:07 < n00kie_> but ont he machine of a friend not
14:07 < n00kie_> just wanna help him, told him to rm src/Download-Mirror
14:08 < rxr> n00kie_: too - old source - he must svn up ...
14:08 < n00kie_> he got the actual cvs
14:08 < n00kie_> it couldn't be too old ?
14:08 < rxr> n00kie_: ah - should work ...
14:08 < n00kie_> hmm
14:10 < n00kie_> ah, now it works on his machine
14:10 < n00kie_> he was in the wrong dir
14:11 < n00kie_> :)
14:11 < n00kie_> thank you rxr, too :)
14:11 < rxr> no problem
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14:20 < n00kie_> Here is my friend :)
14:20 < n00kie_> he wants to build rock under debian
14:20 < da`butch> oh shit, english :(
14:21 < n00kie_> But he has problems with building it
14:21 < rxr> I have no time - I'll off in some minutes ...
14:21 < n00kie_> mmm
14:21 < n00kie_> Bye rxr
14:21 < rxr> just ask here - and somone will asnwer later
14:22 < rxr> but best is always to send such Q's to the ML
14:22 < da`butch> also, my problem is 'no free loopback device found!' @ ./scripts/Build-Target
14:22 < rxr> da`butch: you need a kernel with devfs enabled and mounted - or if not mounted provide the necessarey nodes i nthe devfs hirachy
14:23 < n00kie_> defs is enabled
14:23 < n00kie_> but not mounted i think
14:23 < da`butch> also, the support is enable but mount at boot is disatable
14:23 < da`butch> can i mount it now? but i can't it
14:23 < n00kie_> enable it
14:23 < n00kie_> enable the "mount at boot" option
14:24 < rxr> n00kie_: no this would make the box unbootable
14:24 < n00kie_> oh
14:24 < rxr> mounting manually when the system is up and running is better
14:24 < n00kie_> don't do that da`butch :)
14:24 < rxr> mount -t devfs none /dev
14:24 < da`butch> ok
14:24 < rxr> and start the devfsd with all compat enabled ...
14:25 < da`butch> error!
14:25 < da`butch> the same error.
14:25 < n00kie_> did you start devfsd ?
14:25 < da`butch> no free loopback device found
14:25 < rxr> devfsd is not needed for a rock build
14:25 < rxr> but have you loopback support in the krnel ? e.g. /dev/loop/* present ?
14:26 < da`butch> mom
14:26 < rxr> devfsd is only needed for the old stuff running on the system
14:26 * n00kie_ learning much things from rxr
14:26 < da`butch> i doesn't found /dev/loop/ in the kernel
14:27 < da`butch> who is that in menuconfig ?
14:28 < rxr> err da`butch "Block devices"
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14:28 < rxr> Loopback device support
14:29 < da`butch> required it for the rock install ?
14:29 < da`butch> because i must compile a new kernel
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14:32 < rolla> re
14:33 < n00kie_> wb rolla
14:37 < da`butch> hmm
14:44 < rolla> crap there is no cvs on my new box
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14:52 < rygar> hi
14:54 < n00kie_> Hola rygar :)
14:54 < rygar> hi n00kie_
14:57 < esden> urgh ... /me is doing multitasking at it's best >_<
14:58 < esden> from #rocklinux-talk :
14:58 < esden> [14:28] < da`butch> hmm
14:58 < esden> [14:28] < da`butch> die installation is also noch nciht sehr ausgereift!
14:58 < esden> ahh ... here he is too ...
14:58 < esden> sorry ...
14:58 < rolla> esden: what is rocklinux-talk?
14:58 < esden> rolla: it is a channel for talks like the one with rootboard last weekend ...
14:59 < rolla> I am not sure I know what kind of talks you are talking about?
15:07 < rolla> who wrote this package selection rule crap
15:08 < rolla> what a waste of time and brain power
15:08 < esden> rolla: clifford
15:09 < rolla> does he use it just to make it more hard to do anything?
15:09 < rolla> that is a waste of code
15:11 < esden> rolla: I use it without problems ...
15:13 < rolla> I see it as a bad way of doing it
15:13 < esden> make a better one ;-)
15:13 < rolla> if you are going to have a packages selection make so you can chose packages not write rules to exclude things
15:14 < da`butch> i have loopback in the kernel but the error is the same
15:14 < da`butch> 'no freoo loopback device found'
15:15 < da`butch> ahh habs
15:15 < da`butch> it go
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15:17 < da`butch> but thats ready after a fiew seconds
15:17 < da`butch> it thats normal?
15:17 < da`butch> a few warnings with 'no such file or directory'
15:22 < rolla> I am getting ready to start a 2.0b3 build on my new slow build server
15:25 < da`butch> hello?
15:25 < da`butch> i has read rock has a nice community!
15:27 < rolla> da`butch: yeah
15:27 < rolla> I am sorry what problems are you having I will try to help
15:29 < da`butch> i'm at ./scripts/Build-Target
15:29 < da`butch> thats finished
15:29 < da`butch> and now?
15:29 < rolla> it ran with no problems?
15:29 < da`butch> aehm, i think yes
15:30 < da`butch> it was after a few secondes ready
15:30 < rolla> now you need to build the iso
15:30 < rolla> was?
15:30 < rolla> did you run the download command?
15:30 < rxr> da`butch: when it took a few seconds there was an error
15:30 < da`butch> shit
15:30 < rxr> it takes some hours up to many days for a build ...
15:30 < rolla> re rxr
15:30 < rxr> rolla: I was not yet away ...
15:30 < rolla> :)
15:30 < rxr> but in a few seonds this time ...
15:31 < da`butch> Creading ISO fileystem descriptsion. ...
15:31 < rolla> rxr I am starting my push to cpmile rock on alpha
15:33 < rxr> rolla: nice
15:33 < rxr> you will not sell it ?
15:37 < rolla> rxr I have 5 alphas
15:37 < rolla> I am selling one of them
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15:38 < cOdEz> hi
15:43 < daja77> re
15:43 < rolla> re daja77
15:43 < daja77> hi rolla
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15:43 < daja77> hi mnemoc
15:43 < mnemoc> vhi
15:44 < n00kie_> rolla: how much ?
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15:48 < daja77> rxr: rev 212 failes completely
15:51 < mnemoc> 0-gcc fails becase gcc_lib_bin is not created
15:51 < daja77> hmm that means?
15:52 < daja77> *argl* dyndns down :(
15:52 < mnemoc> daja77: i updated successfully 2 minutes ago
15:53 < daja77> hmm maybe local dns setting is fsckup
15:57 < daja77> mnemoc: is www,dyndns,org responding?
15:57 < n00kie_> nope daja77
15:58 < n00kie_> --- www.dyndns.org ping statistics ---
15:58 < n00kie_> 11 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
15:58 < daja77> ah thx
15:58 < n00kie_> np :)
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15:59 < mnemoc> daja77, noookie: it answers web to me
15:59 < daja77> *aaargl*
16:00 < daja77> this means I don't know who to kick for it >_<
16:03 < n00kie_> mm
16:03 < n00kie_> yep, on web it works too
16:03 < n00kie_> but a ping does not response
16:03 < mnemoc> can be droping icmps :)
16:05 < daja77> mnemoc: it can be pinged from Magdeburg, Germany, strange
16:07 < n00kie_> PING www.dyndns.org (66.151.188.52): 56 octets data
16:07 < n00kie_> --- www.dyndns.org ping statistics ---
16:07 < n00kie_> 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
16:08 < daja77> well somebody told me that they do maintaince in that crappy win network, omg
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16:22 < _NULL_> re
16:22 < daja77> hi _NULL_
16:24 < capchaos> welcome back _NULL_
16:24 < _NULL_> thx capchaos
16:25 < _NULL_> daja77
16:25 < daja77> jups
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16:47 < n00kie_> wb _NULL_ :)
16:47 < n00kie_> mm
16:47 < n00kie_> Late
16:47 < daja77> yeah but better late than never ;)
16:47 < Mike1> moin.
16:48 < daja77> hi Mike1
16:48 < Mike1> hi daja77
16:48 < daja77> ;)
16:48 < daja77> Mike1: catastrophic day
16:48 < daja77> can't connect to outside world
16:49 < mnemoc> traceroute me ;) mnemoc.dyndns.org
16:49 < mnemoc> i'm faaaar away from you
16:50 < Mike1> daja77: hahahaha!!
16:50 < Mike1> daja77: jk.
16:50 < Mike1> :P
16:50 < Mike1> daja77: why ?
16:50 < Mike1> mnemoc: not that far away from me
16:51 < daja77> Mike1: windows adm^Wlusers playing with the setup
16:51 < Mike1> daja77: lol lamers.
16:51 < daja77> yeah can't even lart them...
16:52 < daja77> Mike1: I accidently deleted my minimal build yesterday >_<
16:53 < Mike1> yes i read
16:53 < Mike1> poor daja77
16:53 < Mike1> so have you started a new build again>?
16:53 < daja77> ah yes I wrote it, I was _drunk_
16:53 < mnemoc> what happens to kernelnotes.org?
16:54 < daja77> Mike1: nope tried rev 212 which is fscked up >_<
16:54 < Mike1> daja77: urgs
16:54 < _NULL_> hi Mike1
16:54 < rxr> daja77: hm ?
16:54 < Mike1> hi _NULL_
16:54 < Mike1> Greetings Rene
16:54 < rxr> hi Mike1
16:54 < daja77> rxr: gcc failed in 0, glibc failed in 1
16:54 < daja77> iirc
16:54 < Mike1> rxr: s/Mike1/Miguel :)
16:55 < rxr> daja77: does this happen with the current svn, too?
16:55 < rxr> Mike1: why don't you use an auto-completeable nick ?
16:55 < mnemoc> rxr: 0-gcc fails because gcc_lib_dir is not previously created
16:55 < Mike1> rxr: huh?
16:55 < daja77> can't test cos I can't connect to my home box :(((
16:57 < daja77> rxr: current is?
16:57 < rxr> Mike1: because you wrote this s/Mike1/Miguel/ ... ;-)
16:58 < daja77> maybe I should go home can't do anything useful here ...
16:58 < rxr> daja77: ;-)
16:58 < daja77> yeah but I still have the hope that the net will be up in some minutes
16:59 < Mike1> rxr: ah well sometimes i miss been called by my name :)
17:00 < daja77> hmm this should be no problem, Miguel
17:00 < Mike1> daja77: ;)
17:01 < mnemoc> Don Miguel ;)
17:01 < Mike1> Don Alejandro :)
17:02 < daja77> Donna Miguel *ggg*
17:03 < Mike1> daja77: am i a Donna? /me didn't he was eatable
17:04 * daja77 eats Mike1 
17:04 < Mike1> :P
17:04 < Mike1> i am posioned
17:04 < Mike1> enjoy :)
17:04 < Mike1> posioned*/
17:04 < Mike1> aarrg
17:04 < Mike1> poisoned* .\
17:05 * daja77 dies
17:05 < Mike1> excellent :)
17:05 < Mike1> jk
17:06 < daja77> :ppp
17:06 -!- Netsplit asimov.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: praenti
17:06 < rxr> hm is it a bad sign if a box reboot immidiately when memtest86 is executed ? ;-)
17:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: praenti
17:07 < daja77> hmmm your athlon?
17:07 < rxr> nope a slow dual box
17:08 < rxr> my athlon is up and running stable for over an year ;-)
17:08 < daja77> hehe great
17:08 < daja77> rxr: which is the current revision
17:09 < mnemoc> 220?
17:10 < rxr> do an up ;-)
17:10 < daja77> I can't *grml*
17:11 < rxr> jups 220
17:12 < zer0_o> bye all ..
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17:16 < daja77> *argh* this sucks this company doesn't want me to release rt target
17:17 < daja77> otherwise network would work
17:17 < rolla> :)
17:17 < rxr> daja77: hae ????
17:18 < daja77> rxr: I can't connect to svn, cvs, my homebox with the sources, I can't work here
17:18 < daja77> I only can do a rebuild of the work I had done already
17:18 < mnemoc> reboot yourself ;)
17:18 * daja77 rebooting
17:18 < rxr> daja77: what do you meant with "this company doesn't want me to release rt target" ?
17:18 < mnemoc> realtime
17:19 < daja77> rxr: this means if I am unable to work here due network errors I can't release
17:19 < rxr> ah
17:19 < daja77> no they will not forbid it, if you read that
17:20 < rxr> ah ok
17:20 < rxr> sound like that
17:20 < daja77> sorry, just frustrated a bit
17:21 < daja77> well you know, I'll go home, I don't have time for such crap
17:21 < daja77> will test the build based on rev 177 there
17:23 < daja77> cu guys
17:23 < rxr> cu
17:23 < n00kie_> bye daja77 :)
17:24 < rxr> hm this dual box doesn't like syslinux
17:24 < rxr> my old dRock 1.4.1 boots on it
17:24 < rxr> ;-)
17:25 < rxr> good to have 1.3.11, 1.4.0 1.4.1 1.6.0 1.6.1-pre and may other -pre CDs at hand ;-)
17:25 < n00kie_> hehe rxr :-)
17:29 < rxr> some rather old ones (that are not on my main server with mirrors) can be found here:
17:29 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/rock-linux/historic/
17:34 < n00kie_> nice :)
17:34 < mnemoc> rxr: for the TODO: update LSM (script/Puzzle)
17:35 * Mike1 fetching svn to build on an alpha :)
17:38 < Mike1> == 23:06:57 =[5]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.21-rc1 2.0.0-beta3].
17:38 < Mike1> == 05/13/03 23:31:08 =[5]=> Finished building package linux24.
17:39 * Mike1 teasing mnemoc
17:41 * rxr just explaint riplcaw that 1.6 is deprecat4ed
17:41 < rxr> strange how slowly news spread ....
17:42 < mnemoc> Mike1: 25 minutes???? i took 6 hours to do that on my delvelop box :(
17:42 < Mike1> ripclaw... rxr where is he?
17:42 < Mike1> mnemoc: :))
17:42 < rolla> mnemoc: that is his 4x2.4 box
17:42 < rxr> hm the dual box is now running memtest86 (v2.8) for ten minutes without failure ;-)
17:42 < Mike1> rolla: shhh!!
17:43 < Mike1> :)
17:46 < mnemoc> 4x2.4=25min 1x0.2=360min.... proportionaly i'm faster ;)
17:48 < rxr> ui: 5.84, 4.75, 4.45
17:48 < rxr> if 4 parallel builds are that a wise idea ...
17:49 < Mike1> mnemoc: you are not running 2 builds on that box are you ?
17:49 < Mike1> :)
17:50 < mnemoc> :(
17:51 < Mike1> mnemoc: hey don't be sad my friend
17:53 < rxr> hm memtest 2.8 tells me the current pass has been completed by 108% ... ?!?
17:53 < rxr> 109% ?!?!
17:54 < Mike1> 0_o
17:54 < n00kie_> :)
17:57 < n00kie_> <- Bbl, dinner. :)
17:58 < rxr> 141% - hm
17:58 < mnemoc> hehehe
18:03 < mnemoc> memtest may not understand smp and test twice ;)
18:10 < rxr> nope the docs says it only utilizes on CPU ...
18:12 < n00kie_> re
18:17 * rxr installing dRock-1.4.1 on the dual box ...
18:19 < n00kie_> have fun :-)
18:22 < netrunner> Mike: == 09:58:59 =[5]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-beta3].
18:22 < netrunner> Mike: (not yet finished)
18:23 < n00kie_> <- Having headache :(
18:23 < netrunner> <- having old multiple times microwaved tortellini
18:25 < rxr> hm I should consider a dual box "5.07, 5.09, 5.22"
18:30 < Mike1> anyone know how to configure bind to redirect a domain to an url?
18:32 < n00kie_> you mean, redirect a redirected domain to a url ?
18:32 < n00kie_> I think you just must redirect the redirected domain ? :)
18:32 < Mike1> n00kie_: i mean as in i wanna redirec foo.org to my.server.net/something/
18:33 * rxr away
18:33 < n00kie_> ah
18:33 < n00kie_> do you have domain access for foo.org ?
18:34 < n00kie_> or just make it with a redirect html script :)
18:34 < n00kie_> mom
18:35 < n00kie_> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="5; URL=http://mikes.server.net/something">
18:35 < n00kie_> "Content"
18:36 < n00kie_> Is the time in seconds, when you forward the page :)
18:36 < n00kie_> just upload it as a simple "index.html" :)
18:36 < n00kie_> You must put the meta tag in <head> </head> :)
18:36 < netrunner> <meta http-equiv="refresh
18:37 < netrunner> gr, backspace to close to return ;)
18:37 < n00kie_> :)
18:37 < n00kie_> I were faster :))
18:37 < netrunner> nookie: i was interrupted :(
18:39 < mnemoc> Mike1: in DNS' zone you have to set an ip for @, the run a webserver on that ip/virtualdomain and then redirect it to the desired location
18:39 < _NULL_> re
18:39 < n00kie_> wb _NULL_ :)
18:39 < mnemoc> hi _NULL_
18:40 < Mike1> ok done thanks guys
18:41 < n00kie_> np :-))
18:41 < Mike1> == 05/13/03 04:37:48 =[1]=> Aborted building package gcc3.
18:41 < Mike1> WTF
18:42 < netrunner> mike: hehe, he noticed it's to fast, there must be something wrong :)
18:42 < mnemoc> Mike1: 0-gcc3 is broken ;)
18:42 < mnemoc> ===[gcc_stage0:26> make -C gcc install
18:42 < mnemoc> tools.cross/usr/lib/gc
18:42 < Mike1> mnemoc: 0-gcc3 is _not_ broken for me
18:42 < mnemoc> c-lib/i386-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/
18:43 < mnemoc> :(
18:43 < Mike1> but 1 yes
18:43 < mnemoc> 220?
18:43 < Mike1> nah older
18:43 < _NULL_> thx, n00kie_ , mnemoc
18:43 < Mike1> rxr: have you changed anything on gcc3??
18:43 < netrunner> well, I built 0 as well as 1 -gcc3 and 3-gcc3
18:44 < mnemoc> this problems 'borns' today
18:45 < Mike1> mnemoc: arrgg
18:45 * Mike1 updating svn
18:45 < mnemoc> tools.cross/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/ <-- 'make -C gcc install' needs that created ... don't know why
18:45 < netrunner> this is the first positive thing about a long buildtime, my version was ok :)
18:46 * _NULL_ gets a gun and shots coreutils
18:47 < mnemoc> 3-coretuils is as my bank account
18:48 < Mike1> _NULL_: email addy? i sent you a ptach for coreutils
18:48 < _NULL_> <-- building LFS-system...
18:48 < _NULL_> chroot: cannot execute /static/bin/env: No such file or directory
18:48 < Mike1> _NULL_: then have fun fixing it yourself :)
18:48 < _NULL_> but it's there #8jfuhja
18:48 < _NULL_> Mike1: thx
18:49 < _NULL_> (and believe me - i will have... but... i need music first)
18:55 < mnemoc> Mike1: your patch avoid the needing of autoconf, but there are many progs on coreutils removed form Makefile because they are too broken (uptime, df, etc...)... i love coreutils!!
18:56 * rxr back
18:56 < rxr> the patch is not very clean - I'll redo it in some minutes
18:56 < Mike1> rxr: what do you mean is not very clean?
18:57 < mnemoc> Mike1 used a 'medical' solution ;)
18:57 < _NULL_> mnemoc: *lol* /me too
18:58 < Mike1> mnemoc: :)
19:02 < Mike1> ok gcc3 building back
19:03 < daja77> not here :(
19:04 < daja77> *argh* kernel fails
19:04 < mnemoc> Mike1: did you add the required mkdir to .conf? or it magicly (rxr) return to life?
19:05 < daja77> .oO no fun with rev 220
19:05 < Mike1> mnemoc: magic
19:05 < daja77> Mike1 is a wizzard
19:05 < rxr> daja77: hm ? what build problems do you experience ?
19:06 < daja77> lemme see
19:06 < daja77> linux 24 in 1 + glibc in 1
19:06 < daja77> and gcc in 0
19:06 < rxr> gcc in 0 this is bad
19:06 < rxr> when gcc in 0 fails nothing else can be build
19:07 < rxr> could you paste the tail of the 0-gcc3.err in a querry ?
19:07 < daja77> sure mom
19:08 < mnemoc> rxr: i already did that :'(
19:09 < daja77> mnemoc: :p
19:10 < n00kie_> http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/e10000/specs.xml
19:10 < n00kie_> hmm
19:10 < n00kie_> 820kg
19:10 < n00kie_> :)
19:11 < mnemoc> rxr deserves to be flooded again ;)
19:11 < daja77> lol
19:13 < _NULL_> weeee! /me gets more and more expierence :) *jumping around*
19:14 < capchaos> nice :)
19:14 < _NULL_> capchaos: yep. sure ;)))
19:16 < rxr> mnemoc: daja77: hm strange I fixed this for gcc33 why does it show up for gcc3 ?!?
19:17 < mnemoc> ${pkg:0:3} ??? ${ver:0:1} ??
19:17 < Mike1> you know what _NULL_ you can get all this experience thing and stick it into your.. resumee. :)
19:17 < rxr> mnemoc: no
19:18 < mnemoc> :\
19:18 < rxr>         if [ "$pkg" = "gcc2" ] ; then
19:18 < rxr>                 make -C gcc all LANGUAGES="c"
19:18 < rxr>                 make -C gcc install LANGUAGES="c"
19:18 < rxr>         else
19:18 < rxr>                 make -C gcc all
19:18 < rxr>                 make -C gcc install
19:18 < rxr>         fi
19:18 < rxr> gcc3.conf
19:19 < rxr> does it build when you remove the -c gcc from the the both lines in the else case ?
19:21 < mnemoc> "god is telling as to wait for gcc33"
19:22 < rxr> mnemoc: you can have it now! simeply do this in the Config custom pkg selection:
19:22 < rxr> O gcc3
19:22 < rxr> O gcc2
19:22 < rxr> X gccx
19:22 < rxr> but IMHO we should get the script to work more perfect
19:22 * rxr currently configuring a dual 233Mhz box I got for free
19:23 < rxr> then I'll have a permanent test compile box ...
19:24 < daja77> rxr: gcc3 pkg?
19:25 < rxr> daja77: ?
19:25 < daja77> the changes I shall try in gcc3 or gccx
19:26 < rxr> we only have one .conf for all gcc's
19:26 < rxr> if you use gccx it will work (tested here)
19:26 * daja77 puzzled
19:26 < rxr> if you want to retry (which would be very kind) gcc3 then the change is in the only gcc .conf which is gcc3/gcc3.conf
19:27 < rxr> daja77: still puzzled ?
19:28 < daja77> yes I don't have a gcc dir, only gcc2, gcc3 and gccx
19:28 < rxr> gcc stant for the all "GNU Compiler Collection" packages we have
19:29 < rxr> I wrote two times that we only have this single gcc3/gcc3.conf ...
19:29 < daja77> ok now I got
19:29 < daja77> it
19:30 -!- ccm [~hago@mnch-d9ba461d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:30 < ccm> helo
19:30 < daja77> wb ccm
19:30 < ccm> now it runs!
19:30 < ccm> hi, daja77
19:30 < rxr> daja77: ah nice
19:31 < daja77> well changed gcc3.conf *reckicking build*
19:32 < daja77> damn I still can't type
19:34 < daja77> damn glibc
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19:35 < daja77> hi Ge0rG
19:35 < Ge0rG> hiho :)
19:35 < daja77> alita brought me your greetings ;)
19:36 < Ge0rG> daja77: yep.. right before I killed her irc client ;)
19:36 < daja77> hehe you did that, why?
19:37 < Ge0rG> I locked her win2k workstation because we had work to be done, but she wasn't logged in under her own account, so it wasn't possible to reactivate it.. but pssst ;)
19:37 < daja77> lol
19:37 < Ge0rG> I didn't tell anything ;)
19:38 < daja77> Ge0rG: you know the funny thing is I met you but not her...
19:38 < ccm> is there a standart editor within the minimal package from the 2.0.0.iso ?
19:39 < daja77> ccm: oh no, this is standard !
19:39 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M260P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
19:40 < ccm> ok. my fault.
19:45 < daja77> == 19:46:24 =[0]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2.3 2.0.0-beta3].
19:47 < Mike1> == 05:23:12 =[2]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2.3 2.0.0-beta3].
19:47 < daja77> :p
19:47 < Mike1> :)
19:48 < daja77> == 05/13/03 19:49:38 =[0]=> Finished building package gcc3.
19:48 < daja77> hehe it works now
19:48 < daja77> Mike1: 05:23 huh?
19:49 < Mike1> daja77: too lazy to change clock on the box forget that
19:49 < Mike1> :)
19:49 < daja77> hehe you lazy, what a surprise
19:49 < Mike1> daja77: i have my moments :)
19:49 < daja77> *ggg*
19:50 < Mike1> daja77: or maybe is not lazyness, is just that it is quite insignificant to bother
19:50 < daja77> hmm if your not running afs...
19:50 < Mike1> nope :)
19:51 < daja77> :)
19:51 < Mike1> daja77: i am currently more concerned about 3 of my builds
19:51 < daja77> sure
19:52 * daja77 concerned if his new isos will work
19:52 < Mike1> daja77: the one on the bigger smp box, the one on the ultra and the one about to run on an alpha
19:52 < daja77> poser :P
19:52 < Mike1> poser?
19:53 < daja77> hmm damn what is angeber in english
19:54 * Mike1 is a good and inocent boy o:)
19:54 < daja77> lol
19:55 < capchaos> daja77: showoff, swank ;)
19:55 < daja77> capchaos: thx
19:56 < Mike1> daja77: whats the big deal about having 4 smp boxes for building?
19:56 * Mike1 waiting for reaction
19:56 < daja77> :pppp
19:56 < Mike1> o:)
19:56 < Mike1> 0:)
19:57 * daja77 has no smp box at all
19:57 < Mike1> well :)
19:57 < capchaos> Mike1 wants to share with his friends ;)
19:57 < daja77> no!
19:57 < daja77> hehe
19:58 < Mike1> hehe
19:58 < Mike1> ok guys i am hungry
19:58 < Mike1> time to eat
19:58 < daja77> happy meal ;)
19:58 < capchaos> yeh, mikey, go eat something, we'll look after your smps
19:58 * Mike1 is away: eating .. Colombian food :)
19:59 < Mike1> capchaos: ;)
19:59 < daja77> hmm consists of?
19:59 < mnemoc> Mike1 will donate a shell on his smp for each rock developer
19:59 < capchaos> yeah! that's nice of you Mike1
19:59 < Mike1> mnemoc: maybe i could done one to you and someone else.
19:59 < capchaos> :)
19:59 < Mike1> lets talk about when i am back
19:59 < mnemoc> :D
20:00 < Mike1> now i am hangry >_<
20:00 * Mike1 gone
20:00 < mnemoc> angry or hungry?
20:00 < Mike1> hungry*
20:00 * rxr back
20:00 < esden> re
20:00 < Mike1> :)
20:00 < esden> everyone is coming back when Mike1 leaves ;-)
20:00 < daja77> re esden
20:00 < rxr> re esden
20:01 < daja77> hehe what a release...
20:01 < rxr> daja77: any gcc progres ?
20:01 < daja77> yeah it built
20:02 < daja77> I removed the -C gcc stuff
20:02 < mnemoc> i solve it with an mkdir ;)
20:02 < rxr> those gcc freaks really suck :-(
20:03 < daja77> hmmm -v ?
20:04 < mnemoc> mkdir -p $root/$prefix/lib/gcc-lib/${arch_target}/$ver
20:04 < mnemoc> before if [ "$pkg" = "gcc2" ]
20:05 < rolla> == 12:58:55 =[0]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2.3 2.0.0-beta3].
20:06 < daja77> lol
20:07 < rolla> was?
20:07 < daja77> scroll back
20:08 < _NULL_> ls
20:08 < _NULL_> fsck...
20:08 < mnemoc> mkdir -c
20:08 < mnemoc> mkfs -c
20:08 < _NULL_> blllll :p
20:09 < ccm> does anybody know in which package "libpgm.so.1" is? - i just installed vim which needs this libary.
20:10 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M260P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
20:10 < daja77> wb n00kie
20:10 < n00kie> ty :(
20:10 < n00kie> :)
20:11 < capchaos> ccm: libpgm or libgpm ?
20:12 < ccm> gpm
20:12 < ccm> sorry.
20:12 < capchaos> it's in gpm ;)
20:12 < ccm> ok. thank you!
20:13 < ccm> while installing fm file gpm.gem: unknown error - it is really creative.. ;)
20:14 < daja77> hehe
20:14 < daja77> creative, well in this case it sucks I guess
20:14 < rxr> what file was this ?
20:15 < ccm> gpm.gem
20:15 < esden> ccm: I had the same problem with kdelibs.gem package
20:15 < esden> I think that this error occures when it is a gem made of a broken package
20:16 < ccm> hm. that's not good.. ;)
20:16 < esden> I know ... 
20:16 < esden> I have not said that it is good ;-)
20:16 < ccm> can i use an older package?
20:16 < mnemoc> gems made of broken packages??
20:16 < daja77> esden: talking of bugs there is one in your irc stats
20:17 < daja77> mnemoc: yes sometimes this happens have seen this myself
20:17 < mnemoc> why would anyone want a gem of a broken package? create them shall be considered a bug
20:17 < esden> ack ... for an unknown reason clifford changed something in rocklinux so that also when a package is not compiling propperly rocklinux scripts create gem's out of it ...
20:17 < esden> do not ask me why
20:18 < esden> daja77: ?
20:18 < rxr> mnemoc: nope we even made sure a packages is created - because they are expected by the installer
20:18 < esden> argh ... that is stupid ... 
20:19 < rxr> otherwise the user would need to skip every missign .gem packages because the installer complains about it
20:19 < esden> so the installer should skip them by itself
20:19 < rxr> otherwise CD-creation would be too complicated
20:19 < daja77> esden: in 5 random urls the first url is the same for two weeks now
20:19 < rxr> esden: nope normally this is the condition when the install want's the next media
20:19 < esden> but creating gem's without content is crap
20:20 < rxr> often there is contect - e.g. only broken because of shared files
20:20 < esden> rxr: the installer should know where to find a gem and ask for the cd
20:20 < esden> instead of complaining that the package is missing
20:20 < rxr> esden: well I want 2.0 some days - and do not want to rewrite cliffs installer ...
20:21 < rolla> == 13:13:41 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.21-rc1 2.0.0-beta3].
20:21 < mnemoc> rxr: what about creating 'empty' gems? just to flag the error?
20:21 < esden> ok ok ... I wanted only to state that it is crap and that it should be changed ...
20:21 < esden> but sure ... not before 2.0
20:21 * mnemoc confused
20:21 < rxr> yeah it is not optimal - and I would have done the installer 80% differently
20:22 * -> esden too ... *sigh*
20:22 < esden> daja77: hmm ... strange
20:23 < esden> daja77: I want to split the stats in months ... but had not time/motivation till now to do it ... that should solve the problem ... ;-)
20:23 < daja77> btw is it really necessary to include the per day lines crap for over a year
20:23 < rxr> esden: and on normal releases there shouldn't be broken packages
20:24 < esden> hehe ... sure
20:24 < daja77> ahem ...
20:24 < mnemoc> perfect building of the 800 packages ;)
20:24 < ccm> and what to do now?
20:24 < esden> mnemoc: yes
20:25 < esden> mnemoc: I had a build one week ago where only two packages were broken
20:25 < daja77> ccm: go to /usr/src/rock-src update the source and try Build-Pkg gpm
20:26 < ccm> ok. i'll try.
20:26 < mnemoc> ls package/*/*/*.conf | grep -v 'mnemoc-devel' | wc -l
20:26 < mnemoc> 585
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20:27 < daja77> hehe seconddreamer...
20:27 < mnemoc> sorry... counting .desc file there are 771
20:41 < rolla> re
20:43 < mnemoc> http://divxstation.com/comm/thread.asp?i=16&t=25160&r=0 <-- nice case *g*
20:50 < daja77> mnemoc: lol
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20:52 < n00kie> Wow
20:52 < n00kie> very cool mnemoc :)
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20:59 < Mike1> re.
20:59 < n00kie> wb Mike1 :)
21:00 < daja77> wb Mike1
21:00 < Mike1> thanks
21:00 < mnemoc> Mike1: look that link (some lines up)
21:01 < Mike1> mnemoc: the case or the 800 packages thing?
21:02 < mnemoc> the case
21:05 < Mike1> mnemoc: nice :)
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21:38 < n00kie> gn8
21:38 < n00kie> sleep well guys :)
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