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--- Log opened Fri May 16 00:00:55 2003 --- Day changed Fri May 16 2003 00:20 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@www.digital-dictators.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:20 < holyolli> moin 00:20 < tsa> hi holyolli 00:20 < holyolli> huhu tsa 00:20 < Mike1> Cpt holyolli 00:20 < rxr> hi holyolli 00:21 < holyolli> hi mike, rxr 00:21 * Mike1 waiting for holyolli's confirmation for july 4th trip 00:22 < holyolli> mike: still searching for flights..those with i found were definitively too expensive 00:23 < Mike1> holyolli: okis. 00:39 < Mike1> n8 all 00:40 < holyolli> buenas noches 00:58 < ringo78> n8 Mike1 01:17 < rxr> n8 Mike1 01:17 < rxr> the bdb check is still running - sorry 01:18 < rxr> you 'll have a working svn server tomorrow morning - including a mirror with hot-backups to choose ... 01:35 < rxr> damn svn check still running :-( 01:44 * george is back (gone 02:01:51) 01:47 < george> damned tired... gn8 ev'rybody 01:48 < tsa> cu george 01:48 -!- george [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit ("c y'all") 01:50 < holyolli> rxr: btw. is it possible that you include ntfs-readonly in the install kernel of drock? 01:53 -!- jose [~jose@196.40.45.146] has joined #rocklinux 01:53 * jose say hi2all ! 01:53 < holyolli> hi jose 01:55 < jose> holyolli: nice to meet you! 01:56 < rxr> holyolli: yes it was on my todo since you last mentioned this - I'll do so now 02:01 < rxr> holyolli: dnl NTFS for installation on esoteric notebooks where the user 02:01 < rxr> dnl might have the ISOs on an NTFS partition due to unsupported 02:01 < rxr> dnl floppy, CD, ... drives 02:01 < rxr> CONFIG_NTFS_FS=y 02:01 < holyolli> rxr: hmmm. strange 02:01 < holyolli> rxr: /me tried it yesterday 02:01 < rxr> I just added this ;-) 02:01 < holyolli> rxr: *g* ah 02:02 < holyolli> rxr: can you send me a bootdiskimage with this? because my inet is quite slow here 02:03 < rxr> oeh - bootdisk image - well never tested those in the last year - and cliff restructured them to be multi-floppy able with the help of freedos .... 02:03 < rxr> you can boot from a CD, can't you ? 02:04 < holyolli> rxr: hm. any other possibility instead of getting an cd image again...? 02:04 < holyolli> rxr: jepp 02:04 < holyolli> rxr: but only booting...the cdrom is firewire... =) 02:04 < rxr> hm - you could use the minmal target I'll release with the next -beta3 ... 02:04 < rxr> it should be not that big ... 02:04 < holyolli> rxr: ack. 02:04 < holyolli> rxr: i'll send you anyways an install report...and also some suggestions ;-) 02:05 < rxr> what is the upper size limit you would like ? 02:05 < holyolli> rxr: if its possible not more than 100megs 02:05 < holyolli> rxr: but i'll try to create a fat partition this evening - this might work also 02:05 < rxr> well that should be manageable (this is the first minmal try ...) 02:06 < holyolli> jo 02:31 < rxr> so subversion is up and running again ... 02:44 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") 02:49 -!- lowks [~lowks@219.93.24.31] has joined #rocklinux 02:50 -!- jose is now known as josewolf 02:51 -!- josewolf [~jose@196.40.45.146] has quit (SendQ exceeded) 02:52 -!- josewolf [~jose@196.40.45.146] has joined #rocklinux 02:56 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@www.digital-dictators.de] has quit ("*fluff*") 03:04 -!- josewolf is now known as jose 03:27 < rxr> Committed revision 260. 03:30 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E123F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 03:38 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802BB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:47 < rxr> Committed revision 262. 03:52 < mnemoc> nullmailer-queue: Could not write envelope sender. <--- any idea? 03:54 < mnemoc> no free space on device :( 03:58 < jose> how can i send only stderr down a pipe ? 03:58 < mnemoc> 2> 04:00 < jose> i'll receive stdout too! 04:01 < mnemoc> > /dev/null 2> ? 04:08 < jose> mnemoc: tanx,i'm really asking to know! :-> 04:10 < mnemoc> did it work? 04:10 < jose> sorry 04:10 < jose> s/i'm/i'm not/ 04:11 < mnemoc> :| 04:12 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090B5F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:17 -!- jose [~jose@196.40.45.146] has quit ("Read error: 0 + -4 = --8 (Connection reset by third grade math)") 04:18 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090B241.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:34 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M272P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 05:45 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: lowks 05:47 -!- Netsplit over, joins: lowks 05:55 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: lowks 05:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: lowks 05:59 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: lowks 05:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: lowks 06:37 -!- lowks [~lowks@219.93.24.31] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:37 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M272P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:12 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M272P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:03 < blindcoder> moin 08:26 < _NULL_> moin *yaaaaawn* 08:26 < blindcoder> moin nully 08:26 < _NULL_> hi blindy 08:54 < daja77> moin 08:56 < _NULL_> moin daja77 08:57 < daja77> moin _NULL_ 08:58 < daja77> O_o what message george got, he didn't restart download, strange... 08:58 < _NULL_> daja77: ??? 09:00 < daja77> well I had to reboot my routing box, which interrupted george's download, then I told him to recnnect, he didn't but wrote some strange comment about gettinmg the message 09:01 < daja77> anyway, not my problem 09:02 < _NULL_> hm 09:05 < daja77> hmm weather bot says it is only 9° here, wtf 09:06 < _NULL_> *lol* it's a statical value, eh? 09:06 < daja77> hmmn no yesterday it said 13° 09:06 < _NULL_> *g* 09:07 < daja77> but today sun is shining... 09:07 < _NULL_> here too... and it's extremely cold outside 09:08 < daja77> *gna* wtf is this big yellow thing disturbing my view on monitor then 09:08 < daja77> if it is not even warm here 09:09 < daja77> _NULL_: you are at work? 09:09 < _NULL_> daja77: ack 09:10 < _NULL_> here it has about 6 ° C - wetter.de says... 09:10 < daja77> lemme check 09:10 < _NULL_> hm. if you want to have the values from "deutschen wetterdienst" i would have to leave the house... mnaybe the values are already written down to the boards.. 09:10 < daja77> the bot says 7° :) 09:11 < _NULL_> daja77: *g* 09:11 < daja77> _NULL_: ahem don't got your message, please try again 09:12 < _NULL_> daja77: "wenn du die werte vom deutschen wetterdienst moechtest, muesste ich das haus verlassen. vielleicht sind die werte schon am board angebracht" 09:13 < daja77> ah k. they come and write them at some board on the house? 09:13 < _NULL_> daja77: nope. but the DWD is our neighbour. and before the DWD-house there is a board... 09:14 * daja77 thinks of sending _NULL_ out in the cold, just to feel sure, hehehe 09:14 < _NULL_> daja77: hahahahaha 09:14 < _NULL_> evil boy 09:14 < daja77> ack 09:14 < _NULL_> or should i say: evil old man? 09:14 < daja77> evil girl 09:14 < blindcoder> _NULL_: *sweetes voice ever* would you please be so kind as to tell me the official value as stated on the DWD's board? 09:15 < daja77> lol 09:15 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *g* nope 09:15 < blindcoder> _NULL_: *kick* 09:15 < daja77> _NULL_ is young and lazy... 09:16 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *rekick* 09:16 < _NULL_> daja77: blll :p 09:17 < daja77> hmmm dwd were the guys who failed to say the flood is coming, last year, iirc 09:19 < daja77> anyway we'll never know today's exact values ... :))) 09:26 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802730.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:27 < daja77> moin netrunner 09:27 < _NULL_> hi netrunner 09:28 < netrunner> moin daja77, _NULL_ 09:29 * netrunner fighting against headache from party yesterday :) 09:29 < daja77> hehe I guess the headache wins... 09:30 < daja77> cu later 09:30 < _NULL_> netrunner: lazy student. don't go to extreme parties ;p 09:31 < daja77> _NULL_: heh that's life yu can't forbid it 09:31 < _NULL_> daja77: i can :) 09:31 < daja77> hehe try it :p 09:32 < _NULL_> daja77: ok. when i'm "bundeskanzlerin" :p 09:32 < daja77> lol 09:33 * _NULL_ wounders about stupid window-dns-dhcp-whatever-server... *grml* 09:34 < daja77> why wondering O_o 09:34 * daja77 now really off 09:34 < netrunner> _NULL_: that was a uni-party. But made me miss the lecture this morning. And I surely know at least one other person that isn't htere too :) 09:35 < _NULL_> because my machine (ancoras.domain.name.here) has the name of another machine... (nameofancompanymember.domain.name.here) 09:35 < _NULL_> netrunner: even more forbidden ;p 09:36 < rxr> re 09:36 < rxr> h _NULL_ netrunner 09:36 < _NULL_> hi rxr 09:38 < _NULL_> *lol* fighting with win XP-using guys is so fun! muahahaha 09:39 < blindcoder> moin netrunner 09:39 < blindcoder> moin rxr 09:39 < blindcoder> netrunner: lemme take a _wild_ guess.... esden? 09:39 < netrunner> moin blindcoder 09:39 < netrunner> blindcoder: true :) 09:39 < blindcoder> muahahaha :) 09:40 < netrunner> blindcoder: you're also from munich? 09:41 < blindcoder> netrunner: I'm from Ingolstadt, working in Munich 09:42 < _NULL_> netrunner: /me not from munich btw. just working there.. 09:43 < netrunner> _NULL_: so you both could have come to the party. 09:43 < blindcoder> netrunner: hrm.... If I had known that there was one... 09:43 < blindcoder> but I had gym yesterday... 09:44 < _NULL_> netrunner: nope. a) i'm disliking parties, b) i'm living in neuburg. and there are no trains to neuburg at midnight or so 09:45 < netrunner> yeah well ... next time I'll announce it really loud :) 09:46 < blindcoder> okay *plugs ears* 09:46 < _NULL_> blindcoder: gym? again??? 09:46 < blindcoder> When did that party start? 09:46 * _NULL_ fears blindcoder and hides under the table 09:46 < blindcoder> _NULL_: 3 times a week 09:46 < _NULL_> blindcoder: you're insane 09:47 < blindcoder> _NULL_: no, I want to loose fat 09:47 < netrunner> blindcoder: join the bladenight ... more fun less costs :) 09:48 < _NULL_> blindcoder: loose fat, but become "muscle man" - when you're looking like arnold schwarzenegger in the future, i won't know you anymore ;p 09:48 < _NULL_> netrunner: ack. 09:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: I haven't been to Ingolstaedter bladenight because the people who wanted to come with me all aclled in because they lost interest >_< 09:49 < blindcoder> _NULL_: That's not what I want to look like. But I also don't want to end up like Rolf 09:49 < netrunner> blindcoder: there's also one in munich, every monday 09:50 < _NULL_> blindcoder: ... 09:50 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm... sounds interesting 09:50 < blindcoder> _NULL_: yes, indeed 09:51 < _NULL_> blindcoder: hrmpf 09:54 < rxr> Committed revision 267. 10:21 -!- Be-El [~blinke@elwood.Genetik.Uni-Bielefeld.DE] has joined #rocklinux 10:21 < Be-El> i ppl 10:21 < Be-El> +h 10:21 < _NULL_> hi Be-El 10:26 < daja77> hehe great temperature rising to 12° 10:26 * daja77 back to off 11:10 -!- pyro [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:10 < pyro> moin 11:11 < pyro> ping esden 11:11 < Be-El> hi mike 11:11 < pyro> Wie geht's Burkhard 11:11 < pyro> ? 11:11 < _NULL_> hi Miguel 11:12 < pyro> hallo Sandra 11:12 < blindcoder> moin Mike1 11:12 < blindcoder> moin Be-El 11:12 < Be-El> pyro: the usual it's-friday-and-i-don't-want-to-work-anymore-mood 11:12 < pyro> hi blindy 11:13 < pyro> Be-El hehe i just came over from partying 11:13 < pyro> i was out some friends, and come over to one of my mates office 11:13 < pyro> while we are waiting for a friend to pick us up, we are too drunk for driving... 11:14 < blindcoder> pyro: you know, alcohol is good/bad for your hacking skills 11:14 < pyro> blindcoder ich wiess mein freund 11:15 < pyro> blindcoder i don't drink too much very oftenly, but today i just had to 11:15 < _NULL_> pyro: again... :p 11:16 < Be-El> https://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB105294526966494700,00.html?mod=todays_us_personaljnl_hs 11:16 < pyro> _NULL_ honestly i don't drink anymore, but i felt like it today 11:17 < _NULL_> pyro: why are you feeling so? 11:17 < pyro> _NULL_ ich been depresed 11:18 < _NULL_> pyro: :-/ 11:21 < pyro> i will be leaving u now my friends, for i need to sleep 11:21 < pyro> i shall be back in a few hours 11:21 < _NULL_> bye pyro 11:21 < Be-El> cu pyro 11:21 < pyro> gutte nacht alle 11:21 -!- pyro [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has quit ("BitchX: more nutritious than a six-pack.") 11:26 < _NULL_> *hmpf* this cookies taste like 10 years old... *crunch* 11:35 < Be-El> cat `find -name "food"` > $USER 11:36 -!- Be-El is now known as BL|mampf 11:37 < _NULL_> BL|mampf: guten hunger 11:48 < rxr> re 11:56 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@217.14.64.20] has joined #rocklinux 11:56 < _NULL_> hi zer0_o 12:05 < zer0_o> hi all 12:05 < zer0_o> hi _NULL_ 12:09 < kasc> moin 12:12 < daja77> re 12:16 < daja77> *lol* Mike the party guy ;) 12:18 < rxr> hi daja77 12:18 < daja77> hi rxr how are you? 12:19 < rxr> daja77: oh - quite well. And you ? 12:20 < daja77> it is ok, if you don't count the noise that surrounds me :( 12:23 < daja77> which rev have you reached by now? :) 12:34 < rxr> the svn reposiory will go out-of-order for maintenace reasons for aproximately one hour 12:34 < rxr> (recompiling the bdb's and subversion - and configuring hot-backup functionallity which will be also used for an off-site svn-mirror at gsmp.tfh-berlin.de) 12:36 < daja77> hmm I am playing with rev 224 anyway 12:38 -!- DNA [~DNA@195.69.162.122] has joined #rocklinux 12:39 -!- BL|mampf is now known as Be-El 12:39 < Be-El> re 12:39 < DNA> hi 12:39 < DNA> :) 12:39 < _NULL_> hi DNA 12:39 < daja77> hi DNA 12:39 < daja77> re Be-El 12:39 < DNA> how are you doing guys? 12:39 < daja77> fine 12:40 < rxr> hi DNA 12:40 < rxr> daja77: I think about creating a second brach - so rock-trunk are the immidately commits and rock-stable will get the merges from rock-trunk when they prove to work. 12:40 < rxr> this way people do not suffer the "rock-trunk" does not compile due to gccx work for a whole day ... 12:41 < daja77> sounds resonable 12:41 < _NULL_> rock-trunk??? 12:41 < daja77> and btw this would be a benefit using svn over cvs 12:42 < daja77> _NULL_: yeah checkout the subversion tree ;) 12:42 < _NULL_> daja77: nope. i won't 12:42 < daja77> :p 12:44 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 12:46 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M272P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:46 < rxr> _NULL_: then don't ask silly Qs ... 12:46 < daja77> lol 12:46 < _NULL_> rxr: sure i will. 12:47 < rxr> so I'm away for an hour or so - hopefully all the bdb subversion stuff is compiled on the 450Mhz box when I'm back ... 12:47 < daja77> cu later Rene 12:47 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M315P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 12:48 < _NULL_> bye rxr 12:48 < daja77> hi n00kie 12:49 < rxr> hm - maybe I should install a tiny http server (like the one from fefe) for such maintenance issues - so I can present some "This server is down for maintenance - please try again later ..." site ... ;-) 12:49 < rxr> cu 12:50 < daja77> hehe, btw is it possible to use subversion with cdb 12:51 -!- DNA [~DNA@195.69.162.122] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 13:10 * Be-El looks at his watch 13:10 < Be-El> *strike* 13:10 < Be-El> so....feierabend :-) 13:11 < daja77> hehe freitag nach eins macht jeder seins, lol 13:11 < blindcoder> grr 13:11 < blindcoder> ich hab noch 4 Stunden >_< 13:12 < _NULL_> blindcoder: haha. /me hat nur noch 1 3/4 :ppp 13:13 < Be-El> well, actually it's not feierabend....it's more like moving home and doing bad things to a box i have the root password for;-) 13:13 < blindcoder> Be-El: hehe 13:14 < blindcoder> well, it's not really work either 13:14 < blindcoder> it's waiting-for-calls-while-listening-to-webradio-and-coding-what-I-want-to 13:14 < Be-El> blindcoder: it's better to use your own box if you're about to drop databases....on a production system this may be not a good idea ;-) 13:15 -!- Be-El [~blinke@elwood.Genetik.Uni-Bielefeld.DE] has quit ("Client Exiting") 13:16 * blindcoder whistles innocently :D 13:44 < netrunner> blindcoder: you seem to have a nice job 13:44 < blindcoder> netrunner: well, only if not too many customers are calling 13:44 < daja77> yeah I'd like to call him, and ask stupid questions 13:45 < blindcoder> daja77: you're not an employee of Siemens ICN :P 13:45 < netrunner> daja77: got his nr? lets call :) 13:45 < daja77> hehe no, but I can ask stupid things :P 13:46 < daja77> netrunner: unfortunately not :O 13:46 < blindcoder> 0900 30 30 30 (1,86 EUR/min) :P 13:46 < netrunner> blindcoder: 0900 96 96 96 (lots of EUR/min) ;) 13:46 * blindcoder firing up licq from his homemachine :) 13:47 < blindcoder> transconnect is something useful, indeed :) 13:47 < netrunner> blindcoder: you don't tell me you're not restricted to proxyed http there! 13:47 < daja77> hmm telephone sex with blindcoder... 13:47 < blindcoder> netrunner: well... I am... at least that's what they think... 13:48 < blindcoder> netrunner: let's put it this way: I _am_ behind a HTTP-Proxy. But there's alway transcannect and a ssh-daemon waiting on port 443 at my home-machine 13:49 < netrunner> blindcoder: nice, and you did not get angry messages from their noc? 13:51 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:51 < blindcoder> netrunner: not in the last... 9 or 10 months 13:52 < _NULL_> noc? 13:52 < blindcoder> hey, come on. I'm an admin here. Worst case I have to ssh my way through to the proxy and ssh to the outside from there 13:52 < blindcoder> I have direct access to the DMZ from here. 13:54 < netrunner> blindcoder: hmm ... I should try if my servers are not restricted ... good idea :) 13:54 < blindcoder> netrunner: worst case I can always give you an account on my home-machine to ssh into :) 13:54 < blindcoder> AFAIK esden is successfully using transconnect from StuSta 13:54 < netrunner> blindcoder: it's not a target problem I have, but the coming out. 13:57 < blindcoder> hmm... TUM is open AFAIK and in StuSta you can use transconnect 13:57 < blindcoder> esden is doing so, so why shouldn't you be able to? 13:58 < netrunner> blindcoder: I am talking about my workplace, where the setup should be similar to yours at work (BSH) 13:59 < blindcoder> hrm, okay. You have U*IX machine? 13:59 < netrunner> blindcoder: nope. so transconnect does not work (maybe with cygwin?) 14:01 < blindcoder> hmm... never tried with that, but tranconnects doesn't work with 'pure' win32 14:08 * daja77 now compiling 2.4.21-rc2-rthal5g ;) 14:12 < rxr> re 14:13 < daja77> re rxr 14:14 * daja77 nervously waits 14:14 < rxr> == 05/16/03 14:13:22 =[9]=> Finished building package apache. 14:14 * daja77 creating iso from drock rev 224 14:15 < daja77> [14:13:54] Creating drock-2.0.0beta3-224_cd1.iso ... 14:15 < daja77> [14:15:00] Creating drock-2.0.0beta3-224_cd2.iso ... 14:15 < daja77> [14:15:32] Done. Have fun! 14:15 < daja77> :) 14:16 < daja77> .oO compile error, damn 14:21 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 14:30 -!- Lorini [Lorini@p3EE219D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:30 < daja77> hi Lorini 14:30 < blindcoder> hi Lori 14:30 < Lorini> hi everybody 14:31 * daja77 nobody :)) 14:32 < rolla> re 14:32 < daja77> hey rolla wb 14:33 < rolla> thanks 14:35 -!- rygar [~rygar@194.221.94.10] has joined #rocklinux 14:35 < rygar> hi 14:35 < daja77> hi rygar 14:35 < rygar> hi daja77 14:37 < rolla> re rygar 14:37 < rolla> daja77: are you doing any builds right now? 14:37 < daja77> no 14:37 < rolla> :( 14:37 < rolla> why not 14:37 * daja77 patching kernel to get realtime rock released 14:38 < rolla> rt rock? 14:38 < rolla> was ist das? 14:38 < daja77> rock linux with rtai extensions, https://www.rtai.org 14:44 -!- showGUN [~showgun@3e44a401.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #rocklinux 14:44 < showGUN> hi all 14:44 < _NULL_> hi showGUN 14:45 < showGUN> can anyone tell me why is it good to build with tmpfs? 14:45 < daja77> hi showGUN 14:46 < _NULL_> tmpfs? 14:46 < showGUN> and ccache? 14:46 < showGUN> ja 14:46 < daja77> showGUN: you don't need ccache to build rock 14:46 < showGUN> okay. but what is with tmpfs 14:47 < daja77> O_o dunno 14:47 < esden> hi all 14:47 < daja77> hey esden 14:47 < showGUN> hi 14:47 < esden> I hate "kater" 14:49 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD952519D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:49 < Be-El> re 14:49 < daja77> re Be-El 14:50 < rolla> re 14:57 < showGUN> byez 14:57 -!- showGUN [~showgun@3e44a401.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit ("BitchX: to the rescue!") 14:57 < esden> hehe I got a mail from joey if we want a booth on linuxtag :- 14:57 < esden> ) 14:58 < daja77> and do we want? 14:58 < _NULL_> hi esden 14:58 < rxr> re 14:58 < rxr> hi esden 14:58 < blindcoder> moin esden 14:58 < esden> I will answer him later that we want one ... but first I have to talk to rxr ... and cliff 14:58 < rxr> daja77: sure we want ! 14:58 < esden> hi rxr 14:58 < daja77> rxr: good! 14:59 < esden> I have no idea how big booth we need 14:59 < blindcoder> hrm... why didn't I start using SDL sooner? 14:59 < esden> I think I will ask him to give us the biggest booth he can give us 14:59 < rxr> esden: as big as last year - or bigger ;-)! 14:59 < rxr> _not_ smaller ;-) 15:00 < esden> rxr: ack 15:00 < esden> rxr: and we cheeted last year 15:00 < rxr> damn I need to shutdown my private server I guess 15:00 < daja77> blindcoder: A friend of mine once wanted to write a SDL sample application, and ported Moorhuhn to Linux... 15:00 < daja77> rxr: why? 15:00 < rxr> the damn old dRock-1.4.x with the glibc-2.1 makes some problems :-/ 15:01 < blindcoder> daja77: something like that. I could create a rudimentary sokoban clone with bad graphics in about 2 hours if I write clean code 15:01 < daja77> rxr: so you need the downtime for an upgrade *evil grin* 15:02 < rxr> yes - subversion sontantly links to the damn libdb included in that old glibc ... 15:02 < daja77> blindcoder: the bad things is he used the original graphics, so he couldn't release.. 15:02 < rxr> hm - I try to remove the old libdb - if this fails I reinstall the system with s.th. actual ... 15:03 < daja77> but it was a nice demo on the linuxtag games booth anyway 15:03 < blindcoder> daja77: he could have released the code together with some ugly MS-Paint-Graphics :) 15:04 < rxr> we could also film M$ Office XP and present an amateur video about our than named ROCK Office *grin* 15:05 < daja77> hmm he only ported it, so that his gf had no more reason to use windows *gg* 15:05 < blindcoder> but it really _is_ simple. 123 lines for walking around on a map that is loaded from a gzipped file and drawn from two .pngs 15:06 < blindcoder> daja77: *lol* okay, THAT's a reason :D 15:06 < blindcoder> and those 123 are inccluding some error-catching and already split into functions... 15:06 < _NULL_> <-- going home. bye 15:07 < daja77> bye _NULL_ 15:07 < blindcoder> bye _NULL_ 15:07 < _NULL_> bye daja77, blindcoder 15:07 * _NULL_ laughs about blindcoder who will need to stay at work, any longer *vbeg* 15:07 < Be-El> cu null 15:07 * daja77 needs to stay as well... 15:08 < esden> cu l8er 15:08 * Be-El glues _NULL_ to her office chair 15:08 < daja77> cu later esden 15:08 -!- cOdEz [~codez@p50906645.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:11 < daja77> ok creating new patch *sigh* 15:13 < zer0_o> =) 15:15 -!- Be-El is now known as BL|work 15:19 < rxr> next PR mail out ... 15:20 < daja77> PR for what? 15:21 < rxr> oh my :-( rebuildig perl5 due to libdb2 missing ... :-( damn old system 15:23 * daja77 whispers the word update into rxr's ears 15:25 < rxr> daja77: yeah I do update - via Build-Pkg $next-broken-package ... 15:25 < daja77> omg 15:25 < rxr> there is to much config on this box - I do not want to reinstall the whole 15:25 < rxr> a full 4 disk RAID stuff and so on ... 15:25 < daja77> d'oh 15:26 < daja77> see you next week *ggg* 15:28 < rxr> nope it's not that much 15:29 < rxr> hm - 15:29 < rxr> ok I'll update 15:29 -!- rygar [~rygar@194.221.94.10] has quit ("Client Exiting") 15:30 < daja77> damn the ported patch breaks the kernel build, d'oh 15:30 < rxr> but since the traffic is routed over that box, we'll se us in some hours ... 15:30 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("leaving") 15:38 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 15:53 < daja77> damn that rxr is away 15:58 < rolla> == 08:18:17 =[5]=> Building kde31/kdelibs31 [3.1.1a 2.0.0-beta3]. 15:58 < rolla> grr still stuck in KDE hell 15:59 < daja77> :) 16:02 < n00kie> hmm 16:02 < n00kie> can I make with 2 RAID0s one Raid1? 16:02 < rolla> \? 16:02 < n00kie> I mean: HDA, HDB: Raid 0, HDC, HDD: Raid0_2 16:02 < n00kie> hdc and hdd 16:02 < n00kie> should work as raid0 for raid1 :) 16:07 < rolla> so you just want 2 mirrors? 16:11 < BL|work> rolla: --enable-final ? ;-) 16:13 < daja77> anyone tried to compile 2.4.21-rc2 with io_apic feature? 16:20 < rolla> BL|work: I would rather not build it at all 16:21 < daja77> rolla: ? 16:23 < rolla> KDe 16:23 < rolla> should not be in rock at all 16:23 < rolla> worthless it is 16:23 < daja77> rolla: deactivate it in your build if you don't like it 16:24 < rolla> I would but the brain dead way to pick packages sucks worse than KDE 16:24 < BL|work> rolla: i would prefer to remove the gnome crap 16:24 < rolla> BL|work: you call somthing that builds crap? 16:24 < rolla> KDe is worthless takes days to build that C++ crap 16:24 < daja77> what's goin on, wishlist time 16:24 < BL|work> rolla: kde builds fine for me....except kdemultimedia 16:25 < rolla> yeah it builds in 2 weeks time 16:25 < BL|work> rolla: --enable-final and kde will build within a day... 16:26 < BL|work> at least it did so on my amd 1400 16:26 < daja77> ahem rolla why you build it, if you don't like it 16:26 * daja77 needs half a day for kde 16:26 < BL|work> rolla: btw... using kde* in the package selection will disable _all_ kde packages 16:26 < rolla> BL|work: gnome2 builds in less than half a day 16:26 < BL|work> rolla: and gnome2 is a pain in the arse if you need just one single package 16:26 < rolla> BL|work: you say that now but there is no help on that peice of crap in the selection 16:27 < rolla> BL|work: ? 16:27 < BL|work> rolla: and have a look at the source code of gnome.... 16:27 < BL|work> rolla: the only application that needs gnome is gnomemeeting for me 16:27 < rolla> gnome is fine for me 16:27 < BL|work> even xchat can work without it (xchat 1.x, of course) 16:27 < rolla> KDE hsa been crap ever since I first used it 16:28 < BL|work> rolla: try to find good developer documentation for gnome.... 16:28 < BL|work> rolla: try to patch gnome packages.... 16:29 < BL|work> rolla: and start to wonder whether any gnome developer has even seen a book about software-engineering or programming 16:29 < rolla> still it is better than KDE 16:30 < rolla> BL|work: you will never sway me to like KDe I will go console only before KDE 16:30 < BL|work> gnome may be faster than kde and consume less memory....but as soon as you start digging under the surface... 16:30 < BL|work> rolla: it's linux....you got the freedom to choose ;-) 16:30 < rolla> BL|work: and the packages selection thing does not work at all 16:30 < rolla> BL|work: very true 16:30 < rolla> so how about we remove both of them from rock and let people compile it after install ;) 16:31 < BL|work> the package selection does its job with regular expressions...it should work with "O kde*" 16:31 < daja77> rolla: hehe 16:32 < rolla> well I do that and surprise suprise nothing happens 16:32 < rolla> what a peice of crap 16:32 < BL|work> rolla: look at your package list...works for me 16:33 < rolla> I did 16:34 < rolla> and who pick a O for and option just so you can confuse it with a 0 16:34 < rolla> what crap 16:34 < rolla> grrr 16:35 < rolla> btw I was using the right one but that is just another example of poor code that the package selection thing is 16:36 * rolla needs a beer 16:36 < BL|work> rolla: feel free to improve it 16:36 < rolla> :) 16:36 < rolla> wishes he was better at coding :) 16:37 < BL|work> ...and back to the installation beast.... 16:38 < rolla> BL|work: ? 16:39 < BL|work> rolla: private stuff ;-) 16:39 < daja77> rolla: enjoy your beer :) 16:39 < rolla> BL|work: oh I thought you were working on rock installation scripts :) 16:39 < rolla> daja77: I cannot have beer right now 16:39 < rolla> I just needs one 16:39 < daja77> hehe ok 16:41 * daja77 doesn't whether to announce his patch or not 16:41 < daja77> know 16:43 < BL|work> daja77: announce it with a big, fat warning ;-) 16:43 < daja77> yeah and a knowm issue comment 16:44 < rolla> daja77: what is the patch for? 16:44 < daja77> it breaks the kernel build when io_apic is set to y 16:45 < daja77> rolla: realtime extension for linux kernel, original patches are available only up to 2.4.20, so I tried porting it to 2.4.21-rc2 16:45 < rolla> :) 16:49 -!- Lorini [Lorini@p3EE219D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit () 16:49 < rolla> I love this no error message from selection crap 16:50 < rolla> daja77: I should be able to put O gnome14* right? 16:50 < daja77> think so 16:51 < blindcoder> O just sets the package to "don't install by default" 16:51 < blindcoder> try "-" instead of "O" 16:51 < rolla> nope 16:52 < rolla> as usaual this peice of crap gives no errors ntohgin 16:52 < blindcoder> hrm 16:52 < rolla> this could make me stop trying to use rock 16:52 < rolla> really makes me mad 16:52 < daja77> :( 16:52 < daja77> rolla: ic calm down 16:53 < blindcoder> try without the * 16:53 < rolla> I did 16:53 < rolla> same thing 16:53 < rolla> no error just nothing happens 16:53 < blindcoder> I just tried "- gnome14" and the packages went down by 30 16:53 < blindcoder> x x ,----< Package selection rules >----. x x 16:53 < blindcoder> x x | 001: - gnome14 x x 16:54 < rolla> well it does not work for me 16:55 < rolla> can I just edit the package file by hand 16:55 < blindcoder> dunno.... 16:55 < blindcoder> but it will only last until the next ./scripts/Config 16:55 -!- BL|work [be-el@pD952519D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:55 < blindcoder> hmm 16:55 < rolla> okay 16:55 < blindcoder> "- gnom*" just reduced the list by >100 packages 16:55 < rolla> yeah this thing is acting weird 16:55 < blindcoder> ^ space is important (dunno... maybe... 16:56 < blindcoder> ah well... 16:56 < blindcoder> it's 17:00 now and I can final/ly go home! 16:56 < blindcoder> WEEKEND! HERE I COME! 16:56 < blindcoder> baba 16:56 < daja77> blindcoder: have fun, cu 16:57 < rolla> why is it so hard for this thing to jsut give me an error meassage 16:58 < rolla> ,----< Package selection rules >----. x x 16:58 < rolla> x x | 001: O kde* x x 16:58 < daja77> hmm maybe because of the pattern matching produced no error 16:58 < rolla> x x | 002: <new line> x x 16:58 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD952519D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:58 < rolla> x x `-----------------------------------' x x 16:58 < rolla> ? 16:58 < Be-El> re 16:58 < daja77> wb Be-El 16:58 < rolla> so it is just the rock scripts that suck then 16:59 < daja77> rolla: this was only a wild guess, but yeah maybe 16:59 < rolla> yeah well it is not a wild guess to say that this config script sucks 16:59 < daja77> rolla: but anyway I know things that suck more, believe me in this 16:59 < rolla> well maybe 17:00 < rolla> but basic things like this should not be broken in this way 17:00 < daja77> rolla: e.g. coding in a lab which produces more noise than 20 pcs 17:00 < daja77> rolla: ack 17:00 < rolla> :) 17:00 < rolla> that is the sound of fun 17:00 < daja77> no 17:01 < daja77> the noise is not from pcs but from a control unit 17:01 < rolla> well it is still better than dealing with broken crap 17:01 < zer0_o> Bye all =) 17:02 < zer0_o> =) 17:02 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@217.14.64.20] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:02 < daja77> I _have_ to deal with crap as a bonus, you know 17:02 < rolla> :) 17:02 < daja77> anyway got an invitation for bbq in an hour, so I can keep up hope 17:03 < rolla> cool 17:03 < daja77> yeah it is 17:04 < rolla> cool I type crap as a selection rule and no error at all 17:04 < rolla> Cliff if you are reading this code sucks 17:05 < daja77> he isn't here, but write a bug report to the list please, so that he'll know 17:05 < rolla> what is the report 17:06 < rolla> the script gives nothing and I bet it works for him 17:06 < daja77> just write what you have tried, and that it doesn't produce error messages and stuff 17:07 < rolla> great now my first line I had there is gone 17:07 < rolla> esden: you here? 17:08 < daja77> esden: is away afaik 17:08 < daja77> damn -: 17:09 < rolla> daja77: yeah tell me about it 17:11 < daja77> about what? 17:11 < rolla> nevermind 17:12 * daja77 gives a beer to rolla 17:12 < rolla> :) 17:13 < daja77> ok I sent the patch out, now waiting for the bashing 17:14 < esden> re hi all 17:14 < daja77> hi esden 17:15 < esden> hi daja77 17:19 < rolla> re 17:19 < daja77> rolla: haven't noticed you bein away 17:20 < Mike1> re all 17:20 < daja77> hi Mike1 17:21 < esden> urgh ... the mailinglist is full >_< 17:21 < daja77> oh no 17:22 < Mike1> hi esden 17:22 < esden> hi Mike1 17:26 < tfing> hmmm, why is pangoft not found ??? 17:26 < tfing> missing fontconfig ? 17:28 < daja77> hi tfing 17:28 < tfing> hi daja77 17:31 < rolla> I was 17:31 < rolla> tfing: fontconfig is a pain in the butt 17:31 < daja77> rolla: got your beer? 17:31 < tfing> why does gimp refuse to build ?! 17:31 < rolla> nein 17:32 < rolla> but sson lunch 17:32 < daja77> rolla: good luck, I am leaving soo 17:32 < daja77> n 17:33 < rolla> daja77: off to the bbq? 17:33 < daja77> rolla: yeah 17:33 < rolla> cat: config.out: No such file or directory 17:33 < rolla> grep: config.data: No such file or directory 17:33 < rolla> hmm 17:34 < daja77> ok cu later guys 17:34 < rolla> bye 17:36 < tfing> does someone have build logs ? 17:37 < tfing> the build log of pango in fact 17:44 < rolla> yeah 17:45 < rolla> <rock-root>/var/adm/logs 17:45 < tfing> not mine, i want a good one :) 17:45 < rolla> ? 17:45 < rolla> I am not sure I understand the question 17:46 < tfing> i'd like to see the build log of a correct pango build 17:46 < rolla> mom 17:46 < rolla> you want email to you? 17:47 < tfing> yes please, tenfingers@ifrance.com 17:48 < rolla> sent 17:48 < tfing> ok, thx 17:48 < rolla> np 18:10 < rolla> grrrr 18:13 < esden> ok mail to Joey sent 18:14 < rolla> esden: :) 18:16 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD9E09A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:16 < dzafez> hi ROCK 18:17 < rolla> re dzafez 18:17 < dzafez> is mike just idling? 18:18 < rolla> sure I have not seen him talk at all to day 18:18 < dzafez> he probably left the box on over night 18:18 < esden> hi dzafez 18:18 < rolla> ja 18:18 < dzafez> hi esden 18:19 < dzafez> well daes anyone want to help me? 18:19 < netrunner> can somebody here share 'Heroes of Might and Magic 4'? 18:19 < netrunner> hi esden! awake again? :) 18:19 < Mike1> actually rolla and dzafez i am just here :) 18:19 < rolla> dzafez: what is your problem 18:20 < rolla> Mike1: if you scroll back you can see my hate of package selection :) 18:20 < dzafez> well I would like to get my debian to use devfs for compiling ROCK but it yust 18:20 < Mike1> rolla: hehe 18:20 < dzafez> won't let me install devfsd 18:20 < rolla> dzafez: you having problems compiling the new kernel? 18:20 < Mike1> dzafez: i have 2 systems running debian which i use to develop rock 18:21 < rolla> speaking of which oh goes it on the alphas Mike1 ? 18:21 < Mike1> dzafez: apt-get install devfsd ?? 18:21 < dzafez> root@box:/home/dzafez# apt-get install devfsd 18:21 < dzafez> Reading Package Lists... Done 18:21 < dzafez> Building Dependency Tree... Done 18:21 < dzafez> The following NEW packages will be installed: 18:21 < dzafez> devfsd 18:21 < dzafez> 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 668 not upgraded. 18:21 < dzafez> Need to get 0B/43.4kB of archives. After unpacking 158kB will be used. 18:21 < dzafez> dpkg: kann das Updates-Verzeichnis »/var/lib/dpkg/updates/« nicht einlesen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden 18:21 < dzafez> esden: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) 18:21 < Mike1> rolla: i am starting build on the alphas today possibly, but i need to solve the kernel issues first 18:22 < rolla> okay cool 18:22 < Mike1> dzafez: don't be mean to me, english 18:22 < dzafez> cool he makes esden: out of E: 18:22 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD952519D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 18:23 < dzafez> It basically says he can't read »/var/lib/dpkg/updates/« wich is no wonder since it does not exist. 18:23 < rolla> sounds like a debian problem ;) 18:24 < dzafez> but why did it work all the time and now... 18:26 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD9005726.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("...") 18:27 < dzafez> you will think "Dzafez is a stupid idiot" but it work now after "mkdir /lib/dpkg/update" 18:27 < dzafez> hm 18:27 < dzafez> it's amazing 18:28 < dzafez> Why didn't I think of this in the first place? 18:29 < dzafez> ohm c you later I am goint to kernelconfig, compile, try'n'error to get my devfs going 18:29 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD9E09A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 18:34 < _NULL_> re 18:36 < Mike1> Wilkomen _NULL_ 18:36 < _NULL_> thx. Mike1 18:36 < _NULL_> ah... Mike1 - not pyro... ;) 18:37 -!- Mike1 is now known as Pyro 18:37 * _NULL_ kicks Pyro 18:37 < Pyro> I though you wanted Pyro to show up :) 18:37 < _NULL_> Pyro: nope. not really... 18:38 -!- Pyro is now known as Mike1 18:38 < _NULL_> *g* 18:38 < Mike1> ok :) 18:47 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-174-176.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:47 < rxr> hi 18:47 < Mike1> hi rxr 18:49 < rxr> hi 18:57 < rxr> damn reinstalling the primary router sucks - really ! 18:57 < rxr> but as you can see it is up again ... 18:59 * rxr taking a look at hgst about the status of my RMA hard-disks 19:08 < rxr> apache is running again (incl. subversion) 19:23 < rxr> erhm - plesae do not use the server intensively yet 19:23 < Mike1> ...? 19:23 < rxr> it is just barely configured - and aside from some new kernel reboots also need to be moved to it's old location ... 19:23 * rxr hears the RAID array working hard during svn checkouts ... 19:30 < rxr> Mike1: do you know of a very good DNS proxy ? 19:31 < rxr> Committed revision 268. 19:32 < Mike1> rxr no, sorry. 19:35 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD9005726.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:35 < _NULL_> hi trekkie3k 19:35 < trekkie3k> hi _NULL_ 19:37 < rxr> ouhh so much work to be done to reconfigure the wohle server :-( 19:38 < rxr> hm I wonder when Hitachi Global Storage's RMA chech will display s.th. other than "Received but not shipped " 19:38 < rxr> I need those drives back ... 19:43 -!- cOdEz [~codez@p50906645.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 19:50 < rolla> == 12:48:52 =[5]=> Building clifford/tse3 [0.2.7 2.0.0-beta3]. 19:55 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD9E09A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:56 -!- fusel [~linuxdev@pD9E39B84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:12 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD9E09A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 20:19 -!- baka-chibi [blindcoder@pD958F166.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:19 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F1CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: baka-chibi!blindcoder@pD958F166.dip.t-dialin.net))) 20:20 -!- baka-chibi is now known as blindcoder 20:29 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M315P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:32 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD9E09A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:34 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M268P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:57 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958DE2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:57 < rolla> == 13:55:48 =[5]=> Building gnome2/dia10 [0.91 2.0.0-beta3]. 20:58 < tcr> moin all 21:02 < rxr> hi tcr 21:04 < rxr> so - the server is getting into shape again ... 21:08 < daja77> re 21:10 < daja77> rxr: good to see you back 21:11 < daja77> rolla: have you finally kicked out kde from your build? 21:15 < rolla> yes 21:15 < rolla> I had to keep trying over and over and it finally took 21:15 < rolla> and then I had to repeat for the 2nd line as well 21:16 < daja77> rolla: what was the solution? 21:25 < dzafez> gn8 ROCK 21:25 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD9E09A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:25 < rolla> to keep trying 21:25 < rolla> it is still broken 21:25 < daja77> :-( 21:26 < daja77> hmm strange my mail hasn't found its way to the rtai mailinglist... 21:28 < _NULL_> <-- sleeping. gn8 21:28 < daja77> gn8 _NULL_ 21:30 -!- k3t_ [~k3t@pD9005702.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:31 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD9005726.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: k3t_!~k3t@pD9005702.dip.t-dialin.net))) 21:31 -!- k3t_ is now known as trekkie3k 21:31 < daja77> hi trekkie3k 21:31 < trekkie3k> re 21:41 < rolla> == 14:29:42 =[5]=> Building clifford/mysqlcc [0.8.10 2.0.0-beta3]. 21:42 < daja77> hmm the italians are freaks ;) 21:43 < Mike1> ? 21:43 < daja77> the named the rtai trees, etna, magma and stromboli 21:45 < rolla> ha ha 21:45 < daja77> *g* 21:45 < Mike1> :| 21:45 < tcr> Heh, at least that speaks for their originality 21:46 < daja77> yeah and the names would fit for _rock_ linux too ;) 21:48 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E12146.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:48 < daja77> hi tsa 21:49 < tsa> hi daja77 21:49 * tcr eating a Milchschnitte 21:50 < daja77> tcr: *würg* ;) 21:50 < tcr> Why so? 21:51 < daja77> well lemme say I don't like it, anyway enjoy! 21:51 < tcr> As if I'd really care :P 21:51 < daja77> :p 21:53 < tcr> Hmm, I just realized that I can type with my left hand a lot faster than with my right one 21:53 < daja77> you should consider switching 21:54 < tcr> I tend to use only two, maximally three fingers of my right hand, whereas I use all fingers of my left hand 21:54 < tcr> I'm a right hander actually... 21:54 < rolla> == 14:53:28 =[5]=> Building mnemoc/openldap [2.1.18 2.0.0-beta3]. 21:55 < rolla> build is going much better now that I removed KDE ;) 21:59 < daja77> well I am off now, cu tomorrow 21:59 < n00kie> bye daja77 22:00 < n00kie> == 21:59:57 =[9]=> Building rene/sylpheed [0.8.11 2.0.0-beta3]. 22:02 -!- fusel [~linuxdev@pD9E39B84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 22:04 < rolla> == 15:02:11 =[5]=> Building rene/vim [6.1 2.0.0-beta3]. 22:04 < rolla> cool it is moving now 22:06 < n00kie> err 22:06 < n00kie> == 05/16/03 22:02:45 =[9]=> Aborted building package sylpheed. 22:08 < rolla> suck 22:14 < rxr> n00kie: sylpheed has just been fixed in svn ... 22:14 < n00kie> ah 22:14 < tsa> rxr: when did you last sync with cliffords cvs? 22:15 < n00kie> I'm trying to fix the bug by my own :) 22:16 < rxr> tsa: I mailed him two or three days ago 22:16 < rxr> today he asked for a patch - so I resent this 250kB mail ... 22:16 < tsa> rxr: can you convince him to close his cvs server from public access? 22:16 < rxr> n00kie: simply update the package to 0.9.0 ... 22:17 < rxr> tsa: why ? 22:17 < n00kie> mm 22:17 < tsa> two servers are confusing, there should be only one master server, imho 22:17 < n00kie> but i want to get more coding experience :) 22:19 < rxr> tsa: that is the difference between stable tree and devel tree ... 22:20 < rxr> and we are no company - so when cliff has too less time currently, what should we do other than workaround this ... 22:20 < rxr> aber vielleicht ist nach 2.0 auch devel in SVN, von Cliff heute: 22:20 < rxr> Nach 2.0 werd' ich mich dann mal eine zeitlang um dinge wie homepage 22:20 < rxr> kuemmern und erst spaeter einen 2.1er tree (mit svn als 22:20 < rxr> versionsverwaltung) forken. Soweit mein plan. 22:20 < tsa> ah 22:23 < tcr> Hmm.. 22:23 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 22:23 < LocalHero> Hi all 22:23 < tcr> Well, at that time, we might be able to ship to arch. Large parts are currently under rewriting into C 22:24 < rxr> tsa: I'll not test yet another just started thing - with subversin I do have all the feautures I need and it is stable here 22:25 < rxr> I do not gonna throw my code into s.th. just hacked up and yet converted into yet another language ... 22:26 < rxr> s/tsa/tcr/ 22:26 < tsa> rxr: there are still some pending patches on the list and i'm considering doing a new build.... 22:26 < tsa> rxr: could you apply whatever sounds reasonable? 22:26 < tsa> ;-) 22:27 < tcr> rxr: With svn _you_ might have everything _you_ want, _you_ as maintainer 22:27 < rxr> tsa: hm - that is pending ? 22:28 < rolla> == 15:25:45 =[5]=> Building rene/transcode [0.6.3 2.0.0-beta3]. 22:28 < rxr> tcr: I do not see any develer/contributer complaining 22:28 < tsa> rxr: 22:28 < tsa> 7640 05/15 Juergen George (1.4K) [rock-linux] [PATCH][TRIVIAL] glut: scheme in URL missing 22:28 < tsa> 7641 05/15 Juergen George ( 15K) [rock-linux] [PATCH] lesstif,openmotif: man page clashes, update -> install_wrapper.sh fil 22:28 < tsa> 7644 05/16 Stefan Fiedler (1.8K) [rock-linux] [PATCH] base/minicom update 22:28 < tsa> or are they already applied? 22:29 < tsa> <- just building svn, can't check this now.. 22:29 < tcr> rxr: For example the recent discussion about those .desktop files between you and niko... niko said in any mail, that he seems to do work for nothing (because many patches g et lost or whatever) -- if niko had the possibility to have a _full_ local repository with _all_ permission on that, it'd be much easier for him and for maintainers. 22:29 < rxr> tcr: when for the whole Linux kernel patch is enought for s.o. like Alan Cox, ... any SCM should be fine for people not sending patches for ROCK ... 22:30 < rxr> tcr: that wouln't have made the contributed patches any better ... 22:30 < tsa> hm..missed some of the discussion... 22:30 < tsa> tcr: what are you proposing? 22:31 < tcr> rxr: But he'd have a tool at hand with which he can keep track on his modifications and on the main tree 22:32 < tcr> rxr: I don't say that patches wouldn't be enough (arch isn't much more than a sophiscated framework about mkpatch/dopatch (extended diff/patch)) 22:32 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:33 < rxr> this whole thing was not about keeping track of s.th. but of adding rather ugly code ... 22:33 < rxr> and he could keep track when I would finally compile subversion on his box ... 22:33 < rxr> s/I/he/ 22:34 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has joined #rocklinux 22:34 < tcr> Ok let me try to express what I mean once again: Arch would minimize the way how contributors and maintainers work, because every contributor will become a maintainer of his local copy 22:34 < tcr> minimize the difference of the way ... 22:35 < tsa> what is arch? 22:35 < tcr> tsa: https://arch.fifthvision.net 22:36 < rxr> tcr: maybe you could start coding / testing instead of choosing the SCM for us ... 22:36 < rxr> ;-) 22:36 < tsa> With arch, there is no "central repository". 22:36 < tsa> hm... 22:38 < tcr> rxr: I'll. You know, I'm going to get a new XP 1,7ghz... though I'm actually in the mood of coding, I arranged with myself, that I'll spend this month to others things. 22:39 < tsa> hm...there's several things i don't like about the current way the repositories are kept.. 22:42 < tcr> rxr: See, my point is, if we change (what is absolutely necessarily, actually), we should change to some thing that offers the best future. 22:42 < tcr> rxr: You just chose svn because of the speed increase, or are there any other things? 22:43 < rxr> tcr: I do not see a better future for arch or whatever fork 22:43 < tsa> tcr: i consider the policy more important than the used software. 22:43 < rxr> tcr: sure versioned moves, deletes, copies, ... 22:43 < rxr> and it is a designed architecture not some shell hacks ... 22:44 < rxr> tsa: what don't you like ? 22:44 < tcr> What is rocklinux then? 22:44 < tcr> Not some shell hacks? 22:44 < tsa> rxr: several things. 22:44 < tsa> * write access for package maintainers 22:44 < tsa> * write access for all developers to all packages 22:44 < tcr> No that's not neccessary! 22:44 < rxr> tsa: pfrhhhhhh - nope 22:44 < tsa> * branching instrad of different repositories. 22:45 < tsa> * package- and tree-maintainer placed tags 22:46 < rxr> tsa: yes - the branching is a thing - but with a SCM just starting how should be do better? 22:46 < rxr> what package and tree maintainer tags ? 22:46 < tsa> i.e. every developer can change a package. only the pkg maintainer can set his maintainer "tag", and only the tree maintainer can set his "final" branch tag. 22:46 < rxr> (and maybe shoosen packages maintainer get write access - but not yet in the current situation) 22:47 < tsa> rxr: i don't care about which software would be used for that. 22:47 < tsa> and a reasonable release policy would be good, too...btw 22:47 < rxr> tsa: I think this will not be possible with arch ... 22:48 < tsa> rxr: i don't know enough about it to judge. cvs can do that, svn probably too. 22:48 < rxr> tsa: but write access for all - or the maintainers for the packages might be done later - currently we have to stabelize all 22:48 < rxr> and even Huebi said his write access thing was a bad idea ... 22:49 < tcr> tsa: That's not necessary. Imagine the following scenario: A repository maintainer has a local 'repository branch' (that absolutely independant on anything outside his computer), via a policy only he has to care about this repository, ie. applying patches of others to his local repository branch. Once he has enough, or confirmed them working, he writes to the maintainer to pull from his local archive (that's made remotely accessable) 22:49 < tsa> rxr: write access for all developers doesn't do any harm as long as the package and tree maintainers still will have to set the appropriate tags. 22:50 < tsa> i will definitely _not_ maintain my packages in 20 different locations. 22:51 < tsa> that's too much work with too less gain. 22:51 < tcr> Hm? You just maintain them locally 22:52 < rxr> tcr: you locality thing does not help in any way for maintaining a -devel and -stable branch ... 22:52 -!- jose [~jose@196.40.45.146] has joined #rocklinux 22:52 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit () 22:52 < rxr> tsa: for whom where the last two lines from you ? 22:53 < tsa> rxr: to whomever might be interested. 22:53 < tcr> rxr: Blah. The maintainer doesn't need to care about updates patches (except for those of his own repo), and when he pulls from some repository maintainer, he gets the assurence of the repo maintainer, that the patch works 22:53 < tcr> rxr: And so the maintainer is able to concentrate on other things 22:54 < rxr> tcr: still - it does not help in any way for two brachnes 22:54 < mnemoc> re :-) 22:54 < rxr> tcr: and still - considering the quality of about 40% of the patches I would not pull without care anyway ... 22:54 < Mike1> welcome back mnemoc 22:55 < rxr> tcr: e.g. the nikolaus repository where not a single packages was buildable ... 22:55 < mnemoc> thank you mike 22:55 < rxr> hi mnemoc 22:55 < tcr> rxr: What two branches thing?! 22:55 < mnemoc> hi {rxr,tcr,tsa} 22:55 < rxr> again: -devel -stable tree ... 22:55 < tsa> rxr: does your release policy allow shared files? 22:56 < rxr> tsa: what do you mean? for 2.0? Nope. 22:56 < tcr> rxr: I never said that you should just pull without any reviewing. There'd just one 'middleman' more. 22:56 < tsa> rxr: i'm talking about the courier-imap package 22:56 < rxr> tsa: some imapd thing ? 22:56 < tsa> rxr: yes. 22:56 < rxr> tsa: we will see 22:57 < tcr> rxr: I don't get what you mean with <rxr> tcr: you locality thing does not help in any way for maintaining a -devel and -stable branch ... 22:57 < tsa> conflicts with the imapd from the pine package. 22:57 < rxr> tsa: I also would vote for renaming in pine (or mutt or what it was) 22:57 < rxr> but I'm not the maintainer of both packages - and use neither ...) 22:57 < tsa> rxr: i will definitely _not_ add a patch because of this conflict. 22:57 < mnemoc> what about a config.in bool for a symlink to imapd? 22:57 < rxr> tsa: why this underline not ? 22:58 < rxr> mnemoc: IMHO we already have too many fluffy config options - they should get a rework ... 22:58 < tsa> rxr: because i consider renaming the wrong way in this case. 22:59 < rxr> tsa: they can be both installed - and to choose one ... - they need to get different names 22:59 < tsa> rxr: if there will not be any other solution, the courier-imap package should be removed from the tree. 22:59 < mnemoc> (mailbox is as deprecated as makedev) 22:59 < rxr> tsa: hm? Just because of one name conflict ? 22:59 < tsa> rxr: yes. 22:59 < mnemoc> imapd.$pkg for every iampd? 23:00 < tsa> rxr: i don't like the setmailer stuff, too. 23:00 < rxr> tsa: should we remove all mailers because they share the unix std name thing ? 23:01 < tsa> this is just crippling packages. i'd rather introduce a tag for conflicting packages. 23:01 < tsa> rxr: see last comment. 23:01 < tsa> no one will install both postfix and sendmail, or 5 different imapds.. 23:02 < tsa> AAAARGH! 23:02 < tsa> $ svn 23:02 < tsa> svn: error while loading shared libraries: libsvn_client-1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 23:03 < tcr> rxr: If you want, I'll write up a small presentation about 'Why I consider arch as an extremely useful development toll for ROCK Linux'. But only if you promise that you'll discuss that in a technically view, and not just saying categorically no 23:04 < tcr> (btw. one problem of the ROCK mailinglist is that requests etc don't get really discussed -- one indication more to split it off in rock-dev and rock-discuss, imho ;)) 23:04 < rxr> tcr: you can write it - but I can yet say that I looked into subversion since last autumn, and I'll use this for other projects anyway, so I'll not go and change this again. 23:04 < rxr> if you invent a time machine then we can talk about this. 23:05 < rxr> tcr: maybe you can convince cliff for 2.1-devel ... 23:05 < mnemoc> cvs:1.7 svn:20 arch:21 <-- isn't it chaotic? 23:05 < rxr> or pay me fulltime - so I can get rid of this writing CAD applicatoins for Windows thing ... 23:05 < tcr> I don't talk about 2.0. But for everything that comes after it (sorry, when I sounded differently) 23:05 < rxr> then I would have the time to adapt to yet another SCM ... 23:05 < tsa> lol 23:06 < tsa> rxr: your using windows? 23:06 < tsa> arghs.. 23:06 < tcr> rxr: And this 'I'm used to it, so I won't change' is pretty naive. Why didn't you stay on windows then? (assuming, you switched once from win to linux) 23:06 < mnemoc> rxr is answering mails from outlook :) 23:08 < rxr> mnemoc: but I'm not answering with Outlock from any of my boxes. I do this only because this is currently the best possiblity to get the money I need to live and to open-source development ... 23:09 < tcr> rxr: It's not shameful to earn money for making a living ;) 23:09 < mnemoc> fyi, i have xp at home and work as ntadmin and developing in c# 23:09 < rxr> tcr: that not naive. CVS is too limited, so I used my own script set for merging - and since I read all the papers last year I choosed subversin for many reasons (IMHO best design, all the feaures I need), ... and thus I'm happy with it ... 23:10 < rxr> mnemoc: I now ;-) 23:11 < tcr> rxr: Might. But I consider arch to be a _technically_ better rcs for open source developing in general, and especially for rocklinux with its package repositories 23:11 < rxr> tcr: hm? Could you rephrase your "shameful" sentence so I get it's exact content ? 23:11 < tcr> might be 23:11 < tcr> rxr: It's not a sin to work in win environments to make a living 23:12 < rxr> tcr: ah well I overread the It's slightly .... 23:13 < rolla> == 16:07:11 =[5]=> Building rene/octave [2.1.44 2.0.0-beta3]. 23:13 < rxr> tcr: and this windows thing has a really nice advantage - I know all the odds of Windows again ... ;-) 23:18 < mnemoc> rxr: what did you decided about arch/*/download.txt? 23:18 < mnemoc> rejected because of uml discussion? 23:19 < tsa> how do i update my rock tree with svn? 23:19 < tcr> Ok, I'll go sleeping now. Heh, I already stole too much time from rxr ;) Sorry, for my nasty-being ;) 23:20 < tsa> svn up ? 23:20 < mnemoc> svn up 23:20 < tsa> ok, thanks. 23:20 < tcr> gn8 all 23:20 < tsa> <-using svn for the first time. 23:20 < mnemoc> n8 tcr 23:20 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958DE2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 23:22 < praenti> hi. anybody here? 23:23 < mnemoc> i'm somebody 23:23 < praenti> ok. than i'm not alone 23:23 < praenti> ;-) 23:23 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M268P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:24 < praenti> does anybody know what this command stand for: sed -n "s@.* @@p" 23:24 < praenti> i have some probs to understand the syntax 23:25 < mnemoc> @ is used as delimiter 23:25 < mnemoc> instead of / 23:25 < praenti> ahh. ok 23:25 < praenti> ok now i understand it 23:25 < mnemoc> you can use any char as delimiter with sed 23:26 < praenti> mnemoc: thats new to me. but you know you cant know everything 23:27 < praenti> btw. can you eplain me the p at the end. is this reverse scanning? 23:29 < praenti> or a good webpage to read about regex. 23:29 < mnemoc> p is for print.... -n is for no auto print... 23:30 < mnemoc> it prints the lines with spaces? weird.. i guess i'm missing something 23:31 < praenti> its ugly to play with regex without my perl book... 23:33 < tsa> hmpf. 23:33 < tsa> this svn co takes ages.. 23:33 < mnemoc> but up is faster 23:37 < rxr> mnemoc: oh I still need to take a look ;-) 23:38 < praenti> anybody a good link for regex? 23:38 < mnemoc> rxr: ok 23:39 < rxr> tsa: the RAID array is currently running in low-performance mode since it uses a spare area which is on a disk also uses as normal area 23:40 < rxr> (I currently have two disks send to Hitachi Global Storage) 23:40 < rxr> so in some days the performance of the array should increase by some hundred percent 23:40 < tsa> what kind of raid controller? 23:41 < praenti> ARG. I#m too stupid for regex... 23:41 < rxr> and I'll also mirror the svn at gmsp.tfh-berlin.de (currently you do the this over my DSL line ...) 23:41 < tsa> (say promise and make me laugh) 23:41 < rxr> tsa: erhm - Huestel - software RAID ... 23:41 < tsa> hehe..better than promise controllers. 23:41 < rxr> but at least better than promisse ... 23:41 < rxr> ;-) 23:42 < rxr> tsa: but I read the code and debugged it once - the code is UGLY ! 23:42 < rxr> really a big mess (at least the in-kernel config stuff 23:42 < tsa> indeed. a raid controller that reports the single disks to the OS should not be named "RAID" 23:42 < tsa> <- still looking for a cheap mylex extremeraid 2000 ;-) 23:43 < rxr> but the RAID stuff was written by the GNOME guy Miguel de Icazza - I now his average code quality 23:43 < rxr> I wonder how he made it to the mono (or so) .NET replacement ... 23:44 < rxr> tsa: and currently a hot-backup is running on the subversion repository (currently I configure the mirroring ...) 23:44 < tsa> ah.. 23:47 < rxr> tsa: what disk can you recommend? In the past I only had IBM. In former times this was a good choise (IMO) - but not recently. And since IBM isn't for disks anymore anyway ... 23:48 < rxr> what is your favourite ? 23:48 < tsa> rxr: i'm using ibm and fujitsu disks here...but only scsi stuff. 23:48 < tsa> seagate should be ok, too. 23:49 < rxr> hm seagate and western digital are companies I already had disk problems with ... 23:59 < rxr> tsa: cliff applied my patch - the next sync with cliff is out, too: 86k 23:59 < tsa> ok --- Log closed Sat May 17 00:00:06 2003