--- Log opened Sat May 17 00:00:06 2003
--- Day changed Sat May 17 2003
00:00 * tsa currently downloading the missing packages..
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00:11 < tsa> rxr:  download/nikolaus/cantus/cantus-1.06-1.tar.gz.extck-err
00:11 < tsa> broken [­], probably.
00:11 < tsa> [D], even
00:11 < mnemoc> iirc that's a 404
00:12 < tsa> # cat download/nikolaus/cantus/cantus-1.06-1.tar.gz.extck-err
00:12 < tsa> <font face='Verdana,Arial' size='2'><center><br><br>The file "cantus-1.06-1.tar.gz" is not available for download.<br>Please contact the server administrator <a href='mailto:sam@manicsadness.com'>sam@manicsadness.com</a>.
00:12 < mnemoc> 404 :)
00:17 < mnemoc> mmm.... 1-coreutils doesn't build ln?
00:17 < rxr> tsa: a problem with the acutla download script ...
00:17 < tsa> ah..
00:18 < rxr> the url is ok - but the ? or so is confusing s.th.
00:20 < mnemoc> O_o
00:22 < mnemoc> if it's confused why does it identify the file?
00:24 < mnemoc> http://sam.homeunix.com/software.manicsadness.com-step3/releases/cantus/cantus-1.06-1.tar.gz <--- this is the right location
00:24 < rxr> Committed revision 281.
00:25 < tsa> will "svn up" remove download/* ?
00:25 < rxr> tsa: no
00:25 < rxr> it only applies changes to files under version control
00:25 < tsa> svn: 'http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux' is not a working copy
00:25 < tsa> huh?
00:25 < rxr> tsa: what have you done?
00:25 < mnemoc> rock-trunk
00:26 < rxr> a simple svn up ?
00:26 < tsa> svn up http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/
00:26 < rxr> maybe it expects a . at the end or so
00:26 < rxr> but simply run it within the $base dir wihtout argument
00:27 < tsa> aah
00:27 < tsa> better now.
00:27 < tsa> Updated to revision 281.
00:28 < rxr> tsa: quite fast isn't it ?
00:28 < tsa> ack, it's better now.
00:31 < tsa> (but i'd vote for installing svn with prefix=/usr
00:31 < tsa> )
00:31 < tsa>  /opt/apache is kind of confusing.
00:36 < rxr> tsa: nope it includes apache modules
00:42 < tsa> Wuahahahahaha!
00:42 * tsa ROTFLs
00:42 < tsa> i've just done a short google search for ISPs in Hameln..
00:43 < tsa> one schlund reseller
00:43 < tsa> a "multimedia agentur"
00:43 < tsa> and a "professional isp", who got his own domain from freedomains.de
00:44 < tsa> perhaps i should found my own company there..
00:46 < mnemoc> tsa: what ROTFL means? i guess i know R.TF. but O and L?
00:47 < tsa> _R_olling _O_n _T_he _F_loor _L_aughing
00:50 < mnemoc> :D
00:51 < tsa> ;)
00:52 < rxr> rolla: yes Hameln ...
00:53 < rxr> arhg
00:53 < rxr> I should go to bed ...
00:53 < tsa> rxr: hehe
00:53 < mnemoc> follow your destiny
00:54 < rxr> mnemoc: I now added your URL for the cantus download
00:54 < rxr> tsa: you really consider doing ISP stuff in Hameln ?
00:55 < tsa> rxr: no. curerntly i only consider giving them a call to tell them they don't know anything at all.
00:55 < rxr> you do those calls from time to time ?
00:55 < tsa> no, but this is just too ridiculous..
00:55 < rxr> tsa: tell us more ;-)
00:55 < tsa> hehe
00:56 < rxr> btw today a subway trip was
00:56 < rxr> cool
00:56 < tsa> why?
00:56 < tsa> (but since i'm self-employed, it might be a good idea to try to acquire some customers in this region...)
00:57 < rxr> Verena and I got some sand (a 25 kilogram sack) for our aquarium. When we got out of the train there was some ticket check
00:58 < tsa> verena = your girlfriend?
00:58 < rxr> but unfortunaely I wanted to get this damn 25 kilo sack home - so I told them they can get the ticked the next time and walked away
00:58 < rxr> the person didn't liked that much - talking and complaining ...
00:58 < tsa> hehe
00:59 < rxr> so he got this sack into his arms and I searched for the ticked ... *hehe*
00:59 < rxr> tsa: how do you earn money currently ?
00:59 < tsa> hehe..i guess he wasn't very `begeistert`
01:00 < mnemoc> rxr: ${pkg_name}${v} <-- thanks!!!
01:00 < rxr> tsa: especially not about the fact that I had a valid ticket ...
01:00 < tsa> rxr: working at a local ISP, self-employed, will probably get a small job at university, too.
01:01 < rxr> mnemoc: hm?
01:01 < rxr> I consider doing some commercial stuff arround ROCK in the 4.Q, to get rid of this damn Windows stuff ... (and to improve ROCK more quickly ...)
01:02 < tsa> rxr: basically, that means i'm open to any kind of interesting job offers, with "interesting" meaning either lots of money or a good place to acquire new skills.
01:02 < tsa> mostly the latter.
01:02 < rxr> yes the same here
01:03 < mnemoc> rxr: the appending of version to gen files
01:03 < rxr> mnemoc: this was cliff ;-)
01:04 < mnemoc> so, thanks you cliff ;)
01:04 < rxr> ;)
01:05 < rxr> But I guess I'll revert this in the -beta3 release otherwise I have to recrate all the finished packages ...
01:05 < rxr> revert only in the -beta3 tag ...
01:06 < rxr> And I guess the gas_gui doe need an adaption for this name change, too
01:09 < rxr> so -beta3 tagged:
01:10 < rxr> svn cp http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta3
01:10 < mnemoc> mine's libtar does not compile with gcc33 :(
01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: oje
01:12 < rxr> when you wanna switch your repository over to my -beta3 tag (where I'll apply some final cleanups) do:
01:12 < rxr> svn switch http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta3
01:12 < rxr> in your $basedir
01:13 < mnemoc> ok
01:14 < mnemoc> writng down
01:14 < rxr> the subversin manual is really enlighting
01:18 < tsa> rxr: when do you want to release 2.0?
01:18 < tsa> 4 weeks?
01:27 < rxr> erhm
01:27 < rxr> yes s.th. like 4 weeks
01:28 < rxr> why do you ask ?
01:29 < mnemoc> rxr can you convice cliff to update mine's libtar?
01:30 < tsa> rxr: you should lock down the kind of patches you accept.
01:30 < tsa> rxr: send a mail to the list: only bugfixes, nothing else.
01:33 < rxr> mnemoc: simply write a mail to the list
01:33 < tsa> rxr: otherwise you won't get the tree stable...
01:33 < rxr> tsa: that is difficult - there are some features missing that should make it's way into 2.0
01:34 < rxr> but sure for the very last time patches will get an even increased review and testing ...
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01:34 < mnemoc> rxr: you can request .cache files as a 'good patch' flag
01:36 < mnemoc> i mean... for updates
01:37 < mnemoc> not features
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01:37 < tsa> hi demian
01:37 < mnemoc> demian has returned
01:37 < demian> hi mnemoc
01:38 < demian> just while i finish an investigation.. ill be here during some minutes
01:38 < mnemoc> limited internet access?
01:39 < demian> nevermind
01:39 < demian> Mike1 u here ?
01:39 < tsa> no
01:39 < demian> i see, thanx
01:39 < tsa> didnt' say anthing in hours.
01:44 < rxr> mnemoc: that about .cache files ?
01:45 < mnemoc> if i want to update some pacakge to a need version, i can warranty that works with the .cache file
01:46 < mnemoc> instead of just Create-PkgUpPatch
01:48 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - basically
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02:22 < Be-El> hi ppl
02:22 < tsa> hi Be-El..
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02:36 < esden> hi ho
02:37 < tsa> hiya esden
02:37 < mnemoc> hi esden
02:38 < esden> ahh cool still live here ;-)
02:39 < Be-El> hi esde
02:39 < Be-El> anyone with some insight into glibc around ?
02:40 < demian> umm.
02:40 < demian> cya later
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02:42 < esden> Be-El: in how far?
02:43 < Be-El> esden: i have trouble compiling xemacs...as soon as the newly created binary is executed (e.g. for building the bundled elisp sources), it segfaults
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02:44 < Be-El> esden: and the backtrace says it segfaults somewhere in nss_db...
02:45 < esden> ohh ... that is too high for me ...
02:45 < esden> sorry
02:46 < Be-El> i think the problem is related to bdb
02:46 * tsa recommends against using xemacs at all.
02:46 < mnemoc> i heard about a segfault in openldap when using nssdb becasue the different versions of bdb
02:47 < Be-El> this bdb stuff should be fixed imho
02:47 < esden> tsa: full acknowledgement from me
02:47 < mnemoc> afaik it is fixed
02:47 < Be-El> bdb 4.1 as default....and no other bdb installed at all
02:48 < mnemoc> mmm... nssdb doesn't build over 4.1
02:48 < esden> Be-El: that can also be a problem
02:48 < mnemoc> ldd it ;)
02:48 < Be-El> if a package really needs bdb3, it should be statically linked
02:48 < Be-El> mnemoc: i did...
02:48 < tsa> Be-El: i think i proposed axactly that about half a year ago..
02:49 < mnemoc> at least now 4.1 is the default ;)
02:49 < mnemoc> have your tried 'disabling' nss_db?
02:50 < Be-El> i'll remove it from nsswitch.conf asap
02:50 < mnemoc> nssdb is abandonware :|
02:50 < mnemoc> reboot
02:50 < mnemoc> brb
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02:55 < rxr_> re
02:55 < esden> re rxr_ 
02:56 < rxr_> my subversin can now generate commit emails
02:56 < rxr_> and it does a hot-backup after each commit (as well as a transaction log cleanup ;-)
02:56 * tsa can generate emails, too.
02:56 < tsa> ;)
02:56 < rxr_> ;-)
02:56 < rxr_> hi esden
02:56 < tsa> re rxr_, btw..
02:57 < Be-El> tsa update -PAd
02:57 < Be-El> ww
02:57 < Be-El> ;-)
02:57 < Be-El> re rxr
02:57 < rxr_> yeah re ;-) I rebooted the server into an newer kernel
02:57 < rxr_> the 2.4.20 didn't like the Promise IDE controler (hang on boot) - the 2.4.21-rc2 does like it more
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03:02 < esden> tsa: do not generate too many emails ... otherwise I will have to add you to my spamfilter blacklist ;-)
03:04 < tsa> hehe
03:05 < esden> rxr_: 2.4.20 had no problems with my promise controller
03:06 < tsa> <- going to catch some sleep
03:07 * -> esden too
03:07 < esden> good night everyone
03:07 < _mnemoc> good night
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03:12 < rxr_> re
03:12 < rxr_> I'll go to bed now - cu
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03:13 < Be-El> going to bed....good idea...
03:13 < Be-El> cu all
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09:53 < holyolli> moin
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09:59 < holyolli> hi nookie
10:03 < netrunner> moin holyolli, *
10:04 < holyolli> n'abend netrunner ;-)
10:05 < netrunner> tss schlafmuetze :)
10:07 < holyolli> netrunner: hey..ich hab hier noch 1 uhr nachts ;-)
10:08 < netrunner> holyolli: best time of day, isn't it?
10:08 < holyolli> netrunner: got it ;-)
10:18 < n00kie> Hi holyolli
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10:22 < showGUN> hi all
10:22 < holyolli> hi showgun
10:23 * holyolli is now going to bed..cu l8ter...
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10:24 < showGUN> so anybody awaken
10:24 < showGUN> what can i do with this d.mned coreutils wich fails even in the 2.0.0-beta2?
10:39 * showGUN is away, automatically dead (10m) (l/p)
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11:47 < _NULL_> moin
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11:51 < Be-El> hi ppl
11:54 < _NULL_> moin Be-El
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12:02 < daja77> moin
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12:03 < _NULL_> hi daja77 , rxr
12:05 < daja77> hi rxr
12:05 < daja77> hi _NULL_
12:06 < Be-El> moin daja77
12:06 < Be-El> moin rxr
12:09 < Be-El> well....saturday...noon....it's shopping time
12:10 < daja77> ack
12:12 * Be-El puts on his kevlar suit, fastens the helmet and checks and unlock his backpack
12:12 < Be-El> above ! and beyond ! ;-)
12:12 -!- Be-El is now known as BL|shop
12:13 < daja77> hmm I wanna buy a Be-El too...
12:14 < _NULL_> daja77: why? are you gay? *vbeg*
12:14 < BL|shop> daja77: sorry, the company has ceased the production and the only available prototype has already been sold ;-)
12:16 < daja77> BL|shop: hehe ok, have fun
12:16 < daja77> _NULL_: nope but why not buy a man that does some work for me?
12:17 < _NULL_> daja77: oki :)
12:17 < rxr> re
12:17 < daja77> _NULL_: execpt you like to do it *vbeg*
12:18 < daja77> strange my mail to rtai list needed 15h to arrive
12:18 < _NULL_> daja77: nope. not really *kick*
12:19 < daja77> hehe I knew I would be kicked *sigh*
12:19 < _NULL_> daja77: hehe. and you're enjoying it, eh?
12:20 < daja77> not really, but I'd risk it anytime :p
12:20 < esden> morning
12:20 < daja77> hi esden :)
12:21 < netrunner> moin esden!
12:21 < esden> hi daja77, netrunner 
12:21 < _NULL_> moin esden , netrunner
12:21 < _NULL_> daja77: tswsssss
12:22 < _NULL_> -w
12:22 * netrunner considered building via nfs is very slow. cpu idle 76%
12:22 < esden> hi _NULL_ 
12:22 < esden> *shiver*
12:23 < rxr> hi esden
12:23 < esden> hi rxr 
12:24 < daja77> esden: hehe we have 20░C here
12:24 < esden> hmm ... Joey could answer!! *grml*
12:24 < esden> daja77: o_O
12:24 < daja77> esden: well I don't have to shiver ;)
12:25 < daja77> esden: Joey like in Joey's Pizza *gg*
12:26 < esden> ahh ... I was under the shower ... and when you run wet through the room it is cold ... even if there are 20░C
12:26 < daja77> hehe of course how could I forget your shower frequency *ggg*
12:26 < esden> daja77: yes ... he is the coordinator of linux tag in karlsruhe
12:26 < daja77> :)
12:27 < esden> daja77: I am a clean guy!
12:27 < daja77> ;)
12:35 < daja77> *aaaaarrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh*
12:36 < esden> o_O
12:37 < daja77> I've attached the wrong patch, what a shame
12:37 < _NULL_> daja77: *lol*
12:38 < daja77> no this is not funny
12:38 * daja77 hides in the corner
12:40 < daja77> damn next time I switch the damn machines of, so that I'll be able to think
12:43 < esden> daja77: my condolences ...
12:43 < esden> go somewhere and kick some asses
12:43 < daja77> yeah will do
12:44 < esden> that you need your silence ... so that you can work ...
12:49 < daja77> well I send a second mail out with my apology
12:49 < _NULL_> <-- sleeping again. gn8
12:50 < daja77> _NULL_: yeah sleeping is good, have fun
12:50 < _NULL_> thx. you too
12:50 < daja77> nah I am not tired...
12:51 < _NULL_> not sleeping. but having fun ;p
12:51 < daja77> hehe sure today is museum night in C ;)
12:52 < esden> o_O
12:52 < esden> you are learning fortran or so?
12:52 < daja77> no!
12:52 < esden> or reading the first ansi standards of C ?
12:52 * daja77 had a talk about fortran already
12:53 < esden> poor guy
12:53 < daja77> all museum are open 'til 2.00 am
12:53 < daja77> esden: hehe compiler optimisations of fortran loops ;)
12:54 < daja77> btw C == Chemnitz *gg*
12:54 < esden> ahh ok
12:54 < esden> so there comes the name of the language from
12:55 < esden> so C was invented in Chemnitz after all?
12:55 < daja77> *lol* ask dennis ritchie...
12:55 < esden> hmm ... I have to do that
12:55 < daja77> C is for Chemnitz, what IN is for Infolstadt, or M to Munich, got it
12:56 < daja77> Ingolstadt
12:57 < daja77> ok I'll be off for a while...
12:58 < esden> cu l8er
13:00 < netrunner> cu esden
13:03 < esden> I am still here ... I said that to daja77 
13:07 < netrunner> esden: oh, I am not completely concentrated on irc :)
13:07 < netrunner> btw: I just made some cake, if anybody want's to join for a cup of coffee...
13:08 < esden> ohh .. yes ... the only problem is that I am currently in ingolstadt ... :-(
13:08 < netrunner> esden: well, coffee will be ready when you're here :)
13:10 < esden> nice ... but I have dance class in one hour
13:11 < netrunner> esden: in ingolstad? not the nearest.
13:11 < esden> nope
13:11 < esden> but the dance schools in munich suck
13:12 < netrunner> but i make cake rather often, so I'll announce it again next time.
13:12 < esden> _good_
13:15 < blindcoder> esden: moin. remember: lessons start around 15.20 :D
13:15 < esden> 15:30
13:15 < blindcoder> yeah, 10 minutes early to repeat the stuff from last time
13:15 < esden> ohh ok
13:16 < blindcoder> okay, I'm taking a much needed bath now :)
13:16 < blindcoder> see ya later
13:16 < praenti> hi.
13:16 < praenti> has anyone a solution for gnucash?
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13:19 < Be-El> re
13:19 < Be-El> praenti: bto ?
13:20 < praenti> gnucash configure says that i would not have any bdb installed on my system
13:20 < praenti> but i have bdb33 bdb4 and bdb41
13:21 < praenti> is the current implementation of rock
13:21 < Be-El> praenti: and with a detected gnucash it fails because of g-wrap
13:21 < praenti> Be-El: no. g-wrap is already installed. but i cant compile gnucash cause of missing bdb
13:21 < praenti> even it is insatlled...
13:22 < praenti> ok. perhaps i have it. there is missing a header file in bdb
13:23 < Be-El> db_185.h ? ;-)
13:23 < praenti> yes
13:28 < praenti> i hate gnucash. why they use autoconf 2.13. that is totally obsolete...
13:30 < praenti> ok. and now i have the old prob. ghttp unknown library
13:30 < praenti> argh
13:31 < praenti> ok. then without gnucash...
13:32 < Be-El> praenti: ghttp is part of the current svn repository
13:33 < praenti> hmm.
13:34 < praenti> which repository
13:34 < Be-El> rock-trunk, gnome14 repository
13:36 < praenti> there is no ghttp
13:38 < Be-El> Package Name and Version: libghttp10 1.0.9 2.0.0-beta3
13:38 < Be-El> Package Size: 0.19 MB, 23 files
13:38 < Be-El> ROCK Linux Package Source Checksum: 308c97412559e66f93fa252e3b22f457
13:38 < Be-El> ok, it's the gnome2 repository ;-)
13:39 < praenti> ok. then perhaps i was blind
13:39 < praenti> ok i was blind
13:40 < praenti> hmm. strange. it is installed
13:41 < Be-El> maybe gnucash is a gnome1 application...and opt/gnome2 is not part of the search pathes
13:41 < praenti> had the same idea
13:42 < praenti> very strange. it includes gnome-2.conf in his conf
13:42 < praenti> looks like configure does some weird things
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13:43 < showGUN> hi all
13:43 < praenti> it has s.th. to do with gtkhtml. i think
13:44 < showGUN> anybody here, can i ask why is autoconf not in stage 0 cos' the coreutils?
13:44 < praenti> ghttp is gnome2 and gtkhtml gnome14
13:44 < praenti> showGUN: yes
13:44 < praenti> showGUN: should be already
13:44 < praenti> i will have a look wait a moment
13:45 < showGUN> i've been s.cking with the coreutils since monday
13:45 < praenti> looks like it is not fixed yet
13:46 < praenti> open packages/base/autoconf/autoconf.desc
13:46 < showGUN> and another observation
13:46 < praenti> you shoud see a line like: X -1-3-5---9 187.000
13:46 < showGUN> isn't it a problem that in stage 3 coreutils is before autoconf?
13:46 < praenti> ahh wrong file
13:46 < showGUN> :)
13:47 < praenti> ok. was the right
13:47 < showGUN> ok, 1-3-5-9
13:47 < showGUN> 187000
13:47 < praenti> change the priority from 187.000 to 144.000
13:47 < showGUN> okay
13:48 < showGUN> tanx
13:48 < praenti> no do ./scripts/Config
13:48 < praenti> and then autoconf should compile before coreutils
13:48 < showGUN> ok, thanx
13:48 < showGUN> (but now i'm building gcc3 in stage 2, so I'd better wait for it)
13:49 < praenti> no. thats bad. you need coreutils in stage 3
13:49 < praenti> dont build stage 2 when stage 1 is incomplete
13:49 < showGUN> stage 1 is complete :)))
13:50 < showGUN> manually
13:50 < praenti> also coreutils? ahh ok
13:50 < praenti> cause you will need cp mv and so on
13:50 < showGUN> and ln
13:50 < praenti> yes
13:50 < showGUN> i builded autoconf-1.57 manually before ./scripts/Build-Target
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14:00 < showGUN> yah, and 1more: what handles .gem?
14:00 < showGUN> (what proggie?)
14:00 < Be-El> showGUN: mine
14:00 < showGUN> ok, tnx
14:08 < showGUN> byez, leaving it countin' buildin' freezin'
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14:18 < showGUN> hi all
14:18 < showGUN> usr/share/man/man1/hostname.1: coreutils net-tools
14:19 < showGUN> shared files with other package. what can i do now?
14:21 < Be-El> showGUN: either fix the packages, or disable the paranoia checks
14:22 < Be-El> fixing is the preferred way, of course ;-)
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14:24 < Be-El> anyways...off for work
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14:24 < showGUN> givin' a horseshoe on it
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15:03 < netrunner> hm ... can I reconfigure and start a second build while one is running? I dislike my second 2,6GHz being 100% idle.
15:06 < _NULL_> remoin *yawn▄
15:06 < _NULL_> netrunner: afaik. yes. you can...
15:09 < netrunner> _NULL_: but I think if he finds a changed config he rereads it?
15:09 < _NULL_> netrunner: afaik you should have something like:
15:09 < _NULL_> build1 -> dir
15:09 < _NULL_> build2 -> dir
15:10 < _NULL_> where the configuration-files are different... you 're having the stuff like - pentium4, athlon or what you want stored in your current build* directory
15:14 < _NULL_> *'AAAAAAAAAAAARGH* which idiot is destroying our house on a saturday afternoon!?!!!!!! *explode*
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15:57 < netrunner> hm ... somehow the build scripts do not find the downloaded files when download/ is mounted or symlinked from somewhere else :(
15:59 < _NULL_> huh?
16:35 < daja77> re
16:36 < netrunner> hi daja77
16:36 < daja77> hi netrunner
16:53 < rxr> _NULL_: s.o. is destroying your house ?
16:54 < _NULL_> rxr: yes. it sound so...
16:55 < rxr> oi
17:04 < daja77> rxr: I am testing rev 224 isos...
17:04 < rxr> and how far are you? does it boot and start to install ?
17:04 < daja77> kernel panic: no init found
17:06 < mnemoc> daja77: is root mounted?
17:06 < daja77> ahem I get that error while booting
17:07 < mnemoc> change the way you defined root in lilo.conf
17:07 < daja77> while booting from cd
17:09 < mnemoc> daja77: that use to happen when kernel is not able to mount the root
17:09 < daja77> yeah but why?
17:09 < daja77> root should be on cd
17:10 * mnemoc had never made a bootable cd :(
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17:33 < daja77> anybody likes to join a freeciv session?
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18:26 < daja77> hi LocalHero
18:26 < LocalHero> Hi all :)
18:27 < LocalHero> Mike1: Did some cleanup, now i have 6.7gb free :)..
18:27 < LocalHero> daja77: Hi, Whazup?
18:28 < daja77> hmm well lots of shit happened
18:28 < LocalHero> daja77: oki, doesnt sound nice :(
18:28 < daja77> no indeed
18:30 < mnemoc> anybody knows a workaround to solve the detenction of makedev in configures?
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19:05 < daja77> mnemoc: patch the configure.in or configure.ac
19:08 < mnemoc> just removing the code?
19:08 < mnemoc> or asigning it some value?
19:08 < daja77> dunno
19:08 < mnemoc> :(
19:09 < LocalHero> Need to go, cya
19:10 < daja77> bye LocalHero
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19:10 < mnemoc> bye
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19:24 < rxr> re
19:25 < rxr> mnemoc: please patch the configure - not an .in or .ac thing - that often requires a specific autoconf ... version ...
19:26 < mnemoc> ok :|
19:28 < mnemoc> rxr: MAKEDEV needs some specific value for tools.cross? o just remove the code? (libtar)
19:41 < rxr> mnemoc: erhm - I don't know.
19:48 * netrunner just realised that building goes 100 times faster with the new board. and the build/bla/root is already usable.
19:49 < netrunner> ... or is there anything against using this as a netboot root?
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19:53 < netrunner> ok, I consider no as answer and go find some beer :)
19:54 < rxr> yes
19:55 < netrunner> rxr: yes beer or yes not good?
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19:59 < rxr> yes beer ;-) What do you mean with netboot? Booting another box to use the root where you still build ROCK in ?
19:59 < netrunner> rxr: even harder: booting a box that is supposed to continue building the rock
19:59 < netrunner> (using the root)
20:01 < rxr> but that box should start from scratch in this root? I see no way to continue the build inside the build-root ...
20:02 < netrunner> rxr: no, it's a 'half-built' rock somewhere in stage 5. but i am impatient :)
20:02 < rxr> so you wanna continue that build?
20:03 < netrunner> rxr: yepp
20:03 < blindcoder> g'evening
20:03 < netrunner> rxr: but there were some problems, couldn't login (no password set), couldn't mount nfs (no portmapper)
20:04 < netrunner> maybe I should just build the minimal system and then do the full build using the minimal system, so I am not working on a self-modifying system.
20:06 < rxr> the self-modifying system shouldn't be such a problem
20:07 < rxr> (we even support this via teh Update-System script)
20:07 < rxr> but you can not continue the build in this root since you miss the download files - and all the source
20:08 < rxr> (you could do many link tricks so ...)
20:08 < netrunner> rxr: it refused to use the download dir when it was mounted or symlinked, just didn't find the files.
20:13 < mnemoc> netrunner: that's fault of VFS
20:14 < mnemoc> a/b with b mounted.... i you build a to c/a there is no c/a/b
20:14 < mnemoc> s/ i / if /
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20:16 < esden> hi baka-chibi ;-)
20:16 < esden> chibiiii chibiiii
20:16 < esden> *gg*
20:17 < netrunner> hi esden
20:17 < mnemoc> argh... i'm writing as hell.... "a/b with b mounted, if you bind a to c/a, you will not see c/a/b"
20:17 < netrunner> mnemoc: ah, I see. I'll think about it tomorrow, thx for the point.
20:18 < netrunner> mnemoc: I got what you meant :)
20:21 < esden> hi netrunner 
20:21 < mnemoc> btw, hi esden
20:21 < esden> hi mnemoc 
20:21 < esden> ;-)
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20:37 < holyolli> moin
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20:39 < rygar> hi
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20:39 < holyolli> hi rygar, nookie
20:40 < rygar> hi holyolli
20:42 < holyolli> rxr?
20:44 < rxr> hi holyolli - ja die CD - noch keine Zeit gehabt ...
20:45 < holyolli> rxr: no prob..that's why i'm writing..
20:45 < holyolli> rxr: i installed with a fat32-part
20:46 < holyolli> rxr: did you encounter any problems with gnome-session? because it isn't there...
20:48 < holyolli> the flist of gnome-session22 contains only the files under /var/adm - nothing else
20:49 < _NULL_> *yawn* re-good-morning
20:50 < holyolli> moin ull
20:50 < rxr> holyolli: yes - the -beta was rebuild many times and some files are missing ... :-(
20:50 < holyolli> null even
20:50 < holyolli> rxr: ah
20:50 < rxr> the -beta3 will be cleaner (not rebuild in the same root 6 times ...)
20:50 < _NULL_> hi holyolli
20:50 < holyolli> rxr: shoult i send the install-report over the maillist or directly to you?
20:50 < holyolli> should even
20:51 < rxr> holyolli: hm - it the report more + or - ?
20:53 < holyolli> rxr: *g* i think it's +..but I just write all, what happenend during install and what we could do better
20:53 < rxr> hm - send it to the list ...
20:53 < holyolli> ack
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21:11 < rxr> new stable page at:
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21:11 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/stable/
21:11 < rxr> it will also be linked from the main-page soon
21:12 < rxr> btw have you noticed that cliff has just (or currently still is) converting the homepage to the new style ? ;-)
21:14 < holyolli> oh..not yet
21:15 < mnemoc> rxr: the 'box' of Other ROCK Linux Sites is ~5px larger than the others in explorer
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21:17 < mnemoc> looks great in netscape, but in explorer is quite 'coarse'
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21:21 < LocalHero> Hi all
21:30 < rxr> mnemoc: I mnemoc hm - seems to be an IE bug
21:30 < rxr> ^- oops
21:30 < rxr> maybe caused by the longer text - and IE is not breaking it automatically ...
21:31 < mnemoc> fixed width is not 'so' fixed in IE
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21:39 < tsa> hi all
21:40 < mnemoc> hi tsa
21:40 < tsa> hi mnemoc
21:41 < _NULL_> hi tsa
21:45 < mnemoc> hi _NULL_
21:46 < mnemoc> (this 'greeting' thing can become recursive)
21:47 < mnemoc> netrunner: are you here?
21:47 < tcr> Hmm, I think I'll update to xchat 2.x
21:48 < _NULL_> xchat? - nah. real geeks are using irssi *vbeg*
21:48 < mnemoc> xchat or irssi supports multiserver?
21:49 < cOdEz> both of them support multiserver
21:49 < LocalHero> Is the color better?
21:49 < LocalHero> http://beta.hightech.nu/
21:49 < tcr> mnemoc: An IRC client that claims itself an IRC client, must support multiple servers at once!
21:50 * tcr brb
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21:51 < LocalHero> Autch, what has happend to the main site?
21:52 < mnemoc> new look
21:53 < LocalHero> yes i can se that :)
21:53 < LocalHero> Hmm, i think it looks a bit to much :)
21:54 < netrunner> wow - 28 minutes for glibc is much better than the 9h before!
21:54 < LocalHero> netrunner, new cpu?
21:54 < mnemoc> netrunner: i have a patch for linked/mounted download dirs, if you want to test it ;)
21:55 < mnemoc> i'm just on stage 1 :(
21:55 < mnemoc> but no warranty
21:55 < netrunner> mnemoc: thx, I already switched back to nfs-build, for a new build, but you could send it to me via mail, maybe tomorrow I can test it.
21:56 < LocalHero> got to go, cya
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22:00 < netrunner> mnemoc: hm ... how tho other people manage it to have two trees with their download dirs?
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22:01 < mnemoc> don't know... i guess with just one building tree
22:02 < mnemoc> i use three trees, but just one for building
22:02 < mnemoc> one for reference and the second for developing
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22:19 < mnemoc> http://www.langleycreations.com/pitfall/
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22:22 < tcr> Hmm...
22:23 < tcr> The font xchat2.x uses per default sucks -- does anyone know a good (== well readable) font + font size?
22:24 < _NULL_> nope. sorry. not x(chat)-user
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22:53 < tcr> Oh, an israelite - Hi
22:53 < tfing> i guess he needs help_with_linux :)
22:53 < tfing> hi all
22:53 < tcr> Moin tfing
22:54 < tsa> tfing: no, that's probably meant as an offer..
22:54 < tfing> hmmm
22:54 < tcr> ./nick code_for_food
22:54 < tcr> ;)
23:00 < _NULL_> tststs
23:00 < _NULL_> ./nick code_for_much_money_and_buy_food
23:02 < tcr> That's not geeky
23:03 < _NULL_> why not?
23:04 < _NULL_> you mean "gebratene tauben fliegen dir in den mund" is more geeky than "getting money, boying food, cooking and eating food"?
23:05 < tcr> Hackers just earn so much that they can make a living...
23:05 < tcr> Said by nobody else than rms, so ... ;)
23:06 < _NULL_> :p
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23:06 < _NULL_> ok, ok. i'm giving up :p
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23:10 < mnemoc> hi Lorini
23:10 < Lorini> re
23:10 < rxr> re
23:11 < mnemoc> hi rxr
23:12 < rxr> hi mnemoc
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23:25 < showGUN> hi all
23:26 < rxr> hi showGUN
23:27 < _NULL_> hi showGUN
23:27 < rxr> Committed revision 292.
23:28 < rxr> but when you update you get a 1MB revision 191 (copy patch)
23:28 < showGUN> has the subversion, the openal, and the smpeg some dependencies, or it is no error if i simply dont have them?
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23:28 < rxr> showGUN: what do you mean? (please ask with more words ;-)
23:29 < mnemoc_> rxr: how can i 'clean' historical revisions from my tree?
23:29 < rxr> mnemoc_: hm?
23:29 < showGUN> okay, so, if i do not have the packages called smpeg, openal, subversion and powermanga, so will any packages fail due to this outage?
23:29 < rxr> mnemoc_: you should not have historical revisions in your working-copy - you only have the prestine copy, not any older revisions
23:30 < rxr> showGUN: during a full Build-Target ?
23:30 < mnemoc_> really sure about thaT?
23:30 < rxr> mnemoc_: more or less ;-) But I think a bit "more" ...
23:30 < showGUN> yes
23:30 < showGUN> i can't have them downloaded
23:31 < rxr> showGUN: yes some packages fail due to the packages you "miss" - but btw. what do you mean with "miss" ?
23:31 < rxr> showGUN: what ROCK Linux source do you have?
23:31 < showGUN> 2.0.0-beta2
23:31 < showGUN> and even the coreutils bilds fine
23:32 < rxr> showGUN: a yes the URL of the smpeg openal packagse are not valid in this release - this is "normal" for this snapshot
23:33 < rxr> showGUN: you will not get too many failing packages
23:33 < showGUN> too many :))) tnx
23:33 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you update all .desc files?
23:33 < rxr> showGUN: but when you want to have a more correct source please use either the cvs or svn checkout
23:34 < rxr> mnemoc_: yes most - since the copyright info was out of date I did a ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch
23:34 < showGUN> cvs got worse
23:34 < rxr> showGUN: what do you mean?
23:34 < showGUN> the update script is fine for cvs, isn't it?
23:35 < rxr> showGUN: the ./scripts/Internal cvs-update ?
23:35 < mnemoc_> update script uses rsync
23:35 < showGUN> ./scripts/Update-Src
23:35 < showGUN> uhh, now i like blindcoder without contact lenses :k
23:35 < rxr> showGUN: yeah - we still have to discuss if we want to still use this _old_ Update-Src
23:36 < daja77> re
23:36 < rxr> showGUN: it is a relict from our style to maintain ROCK sources - and uses rsync of the latest snapshot (which is quite old currently ...)
23:36 < rxr> hi daja77
23:36 < mnemoc_> rxr: an rsync update for the stable tree could be fine
23:36 < daja77> rxr: the rev 224 isos are broken
23:36 < mnemoc_> for users
23:36 < showGUN> okay, so i treid to use the _old_ update-src, and i didn't liked it, s i tought the simple 2.0.0-beta2 is enaough good for me
23:37 * daja77 compiling rev 290
23:37 < rxr> showGUN: yes -beta2 should be far better than an Update-Src one
23:37 < rxr> daja77: I hope you do not recompile all? Only the stuff that changed?
23:38 < showGUN> i changed the priority 144.000 of autoconf and now i am at build-281/753 and still have no fails
23:38 < rxr> daja77: btw in wich way are the ISOs broken ?
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23:39 < showGUN> hai
23:39 < daja77> mom
23:39 < showGUN> byz, gone sleep leaving it bildin'
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23:40 < daja77> rxr: I do a complete rebuild cause mixed rebuilds often failed here
23:41 < daja77> I got a kernel panic: no init found when booting the cd
23:42 < rxr> oi
23:42 < rxr> that will not fo away by a rebuild
23:43 < rxr> did you get errors during boot-image creation? I bet there was some too less space thing ...
23:43 < daja77> I fear that, I kept the isos, did the rebuild to test a newer revision ;)
23:43 < daja77> no
23:43 < rxr> I'll see when I create the -beta3 CD set what problems need to be fixed ...
23:44 < daja77> I did a Create-Iso -size 700
23:44 < daja77> == 23:45:15 =[1]=> Building base/bash [2.05b 2.0.0-beta3].
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23:46 < daja77> I only wanted to test stone once more ;)
23:48 < daja77> rxr: uh bad typo in your mail *gggg*
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