--- Log opened Sun May 18 00:00:31 2003
--- Day changed Sun May 18 2003
00:02 < rxr> daja77: what typo farther -> father ? ;-)
00:02 < daja77> hehe yes ;)
00:03 < daja77> bad that there is  no supersede for mail
00:04 < rxr> yeah - but type'n so fast for those damn mails might me puzzle some keystrokes ...
00:04 < daja77> I know, I'd like to supersede, or even cancel my mail to rtai list...
00:08 < rxr> one question
00:08 < rxr> I'm going to change the ROCK Linux default prompt (the current one sucks far too much)
00:08 < rxr> is this ok for you all "\u@\h:\w\$ "
00:08 < tsa> what is the default prompt?
00:08 < rxr> ???
00:09 * tsa currently uses "[\u@\h \w]\$ "
00:10 < daja77> O_o see if I get this parsed, username@host:working_dir , right?
00:11 < tfing> daja77: you can also do an export PS1 to try it ;)
00:11 < tsa> hm...perhaps \W instead of \w ?
00:11 < rxr> tsa: I for myself also do use s.th. more - but I do not want to make this the default - I just want to have a more common default ...
00:11 < rxr> and the username is a must ;-)
00:12 * tfing votes for \w by default
00:12 < daja77> rxr: ack
00:12 * tsa votes for having [ and ]
00:15 < rxr> the desktop target will get a colored promt (I like to quickly see where a new output begins when I scroll some hundred lines up ... ;-)
00:15 < rxr> I like \w more, too
00:15 < daja77> [ ] sounds ok for me
00:16 < mnemoc> having $PWD on title is nice too
00:16 < rxr> I should not change to much there - maybe Cliff doesn't like the resulting prompt ... ;-)
00:17 < mnemoc> i warranty he will hate it ;)
00:17 < tsa> a _COLORED_ prompt?
00:18 < tsa> AAAAARRRRGH!
00:18 < daja77> tsa: why colored prompts are cool ;)
00:18 < tsa> no.
00:18 < rxr> tsa: that is really nice when you have 3000 lines in the buffer and search for a particular start of data ;-)
00:18 < mnemoc> properly colored... not artistic
00:18 < tsa> not with the variety of termcaps existing among different systems.
00:19 < rxr> tsa: this is why the generic prompt stays binary - and the desktop promt will get color ;-)
00:19 < rxr> btw:
00:19 < rxr> in former times we had a "#" at the end - instead of the "$"
00:19 < rxr> and prefered one ?
00:19 < daja77> $ is more bash like *g*
00:20 < tsa> $ marks a user prompt.
00:20 < tsa> # a root prompt
00:20 < tfing> hmm, # is for root usually and $ for normal users
00:20 < mnemoc> \$
00:20 < tsa>  \$ will give the appropriate.
00:21 < mnemoc> i good to know when you are sued or not ;)
00:21 < rxr> ah yes
00:21 < rxr> ok - this is what \$ does ... - in around 1.4 we had other code there ...
00:22 < tsa> this is 1.4 here.
00:22 < rxr> tsa: and what do you have in PS1 ?
00:22 < tsa> rxr: 1.4 suggests: "\h:\w\$ "
00:22 < tsa> i modified it to read "[\u@\h \w]\$ "
00:23 < mnemoc> rxr: \u is needed too
00:24 < mnemoc> \u \h \w \$ <--- these are mandatory for 'safe' usage
00:24 < mnemoc> a timestamp is usefull
00:25 < rxr> tsa: hm - ok then someway in dRock-1.4.0 this line got other incfluences ...
00:25 < tsa> what about
00:25 < tsa> \\$\w\u
00:25 < tsa>  ;-)
00:25 < mnemoc> doh
00:26 < daja77> mnemoc: I don't wanna have an 80 chars wide prompt ;)
00:26 < mnemoc> \w is just one token
00:26 < mnemoc> \h is one token too
00:26 < daja77> no I was refering to the timestamp
00:27 < rxr> ok I only added the missing \u - and for dRock I patch colors into it ...
00:27 < mnemoc> [hh:mm] is cute
00:27 < mnemoc> ;)
00:28 < tsa> PS1="Welcome to ROCK Linux, you are \u on system \h and a hash mark at the end of this line tells you that you are root \$"
00:28 < mnemoc> hehehe
00:28 < rxr> how a question about such a tiny change can start such a lengthy discussion ...
00:29 < mnemoc> this kind of talking is relaxing
00:29 < daja77> yes and we would be bored otherwise
00:29 < rxr> tsa: nope you need to include this: "for qestions about a specific program consult the program man - and if you are not sure which program to use the program apropos might be a help" ;-)
00:29 < daja77> hmm coreutils still faled in stage 3
00:30 < rxr> daja77: yes - aside from this talk I started to investigate this now ...
00:30 < tsa> rxr: good idea ;-)
00:30 < mnemoc> daja77: sure... i still needing autoconf
00:30 < daja77> rxr: hehe it shoudl say, if you have problems reading this prompt please mailto rene@rock... ;)
00:31 < mnemoc> but mike's patch re-enable uptime, with breaks it too
00:31 < rxr> tsa: and if you still do not know of to proceed consult our suppotr hotline 2934234 2EUR/min ;-)
00:31 < rxr> mnemoc: the patch isn't the right fix - it is only a work-around
00:31 < mnemoc> as a work-around fails ;)
00:32 < daja77> well as someone put it, it is a würg-around ;)
00:32 < rxr> PS1="" is confusing ;-)
00:32 < rxr> I get the feeling the last program still hangs ;-)
00:33 < mnemoc> <\u> <-- irc-like
00:33 < mnemoc> and an @ if sued
00:33 < tsa> mnemoc: NO!
00:33 < tsa> i will start typing "hi all" in my xterms, then...
00:34 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ hi all
00:34 < tsa> bash: hi: command not found
00:34 < daja77> alias hi `rm -rf /` *ggg*
00:35 < tsa> hehe
00:35 < tsa> fun with shell?
00:35 < rxr> a prompt I'm used to: PS1="\[\033[1;32m\]\u@\h:\w \$\[\033[0m\]"
00:36 < rxr> ^- and red for root ;-) ...
00:36 < tsa> time for echo in canyon; do echo $echo $echo; done
00:36 < tsa> (bash only)
00:37 * daja77 votes for a funny bot on this chan *gg*
00:38 < mnemoc> /msg tsa help
00:38 < daja77> hehe
00:38 < tsa> hehe
00:39 < mnemoc> rxr: colors are nice for simbols, but not for the entire prompt
00:39 < mnemoc> tsa isn't a bot?
00:39 < daja77> lol
00:39 < daja77> I'll give it a try
00:40 < daja77> !fart mnemoc
00:40 < daja77> hmm no he isn't I fear
00:41 < daja77> hmm never mind I'm just kidding
00:41 * daja77 gets childish today .oO
00:42 < mnemoc> that's good for health
00:42 < mnemoc> code code code is killing me :(
00:47 < _NULL_> mnemoc: hm.. code is killing? hmm *thinking*
00:47 * daja77 recodes _NULL_ ...
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00:52 < daja77> yeah stage 5 reached
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00:55 < netrunner> crap, this cc1 problem again :(
00:59 < daja77> gn8 cu later
01:00 < rxr> n8 daja77
01:04 < mnemoc> n8 daja
01:07 < mnemoc> what means a $ before a quote?
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01:07 < mnemoc> e.g. PS2=$'> '
01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: where do you see this ?
01:11 < mnemoc> set
01:13 < rxr> mnemoc: what specific line of set ?
01:15 < mnemoc> PS{1,2,4} BASH_VERSION IFS, SSH_CLIENT, ...
01:15 < mnemoc> #set | grep "\$'" | wc -l
01:15 < mnemoc> 8
01:18 < rxr> hm - dont't know ... {man,info} bash?
01:19 < mnemoc> seems some kind of escaping
01:19 < mnemoc> do u have the same?
01:20 < rxr> no I only haveone
01:20 < rxr> set | grep "\$'"
01:20 < rxr> IFS=$' \t\n'
01:21 < mnemoc> i have never seen that before
01:21 < rxr> I need those damn RMA disks back from Hitachi - my server is that slow
01:22 < mnemoc> i much have you waiting?
01:27 < _NULL_> ...
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01:59 < rxr> Committed revision 295.
02:02 < rxr> Committed revision 295.
02:02 < rxr> ^- might fix the coreutils stage3 thing ...
02:03 < mnemoc> yeah??!!
02:04 < rxr> _might_ !
02:05 < rxr> test build still running ...
02:05 < mnemoc> did u solve broken progs too? (patch is disabled)
02:05 < rxr> oh oops forgot to add new patch ?
02:06 < mnemoc> cross.patch
02:06 < rxr> mom commiting patch addition
02:06 * rxr is sooo stupid ...
02:06 < rxr> Committed revision 296.
02:06 < mnemoc> hehe
02:07 < rxr> does anyone know if there is some prog / script out that generates such a nice patch-file-modification histogram as used for the bitkeeper changeset output?
02:08 < rxr> mnemoc: the patch is a simple avoid the regeneration with the GNU auto* dung ...
02:08 < rxr> == 02:11:00 =[3]=> Building base/coreutils [5.0 2.0.0-beta3].
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02:14 < mnemoc> but... you patch configure.ac
02:14 < rxr> do I
02:15 < mnemoc> i can't find a patch to do that...
02:15 < mnemoc> premake stuff?
02:15 < mnemoc> no...
02:15 * mnemoc seems to be blind
02:15 < rxr> the old patch is not used anymore
02:15 < rxr> I did a new patch which patches the .in file and configure ...
02:15 < rxr> no-broken-progs-in.patch
02:15 < rxr> hm - s.th. does not yet work as expected.
02:15 < rxr> mom
02:15 < mnemoc> patch without test is bad :-)
02:17 < mnemoc> no-broken-progs.patch <--- this is the patch on svn
02:17 < mnemoc> i guess you delete yours o_O
02:21 < rxr> mnemoc: I svn mv'ed it
02:28 < rxr> this coreutils Makefile auto* fung is really ILL
02:30 < mnemoc> and auto* needing perl ;)
02:39 < rxr> mnemoc: commiting ?
02:39 < rxr> s/?/!/
02:40 * rxr needs sleeop 2:43 here ..
02:40 < rxr> mnemoc: do you have a build to test my modifications ?=
02:40 < rxr> Committed revision 298.
02:40 < mnemoc> i'm on stge 1
02:40 < mnemoc> :(
02:41 < mnemoc> 1-linux24
02:41 < mnemoc> it takes a loooong time
02:41 < rxr> == 02:39:22 =[3]=> Building base/coreutils [5.0 2.0.0-beta3].
02:41 < rxr> == 05/18/03 02:41:53 =[3]=> Finished building package coreutils.
02:41 < mnemoc> :D
02:41 < mnemoc> try with 1-coreuitls too please
02:41 < rxr> == 02:35:53 =[1]=> Building base/coreutils [5.0 2.0.0-beta3].
02:42 < rxr> == 05/18/03 02:38:49 =[1]=> Finished building package coreutils.
02:42 < mnemoc> you did it ;)
02:42 < mnemoc> you deserve to sleep
02:42 < rxr> yeah - but I have a quite up-to-date system so I never had failures in 1-coreutils ...
02:43 < mnemoc> i'll tell you if my 1-coreutils fails
02:45 < rxr> == 02:46:40 =[1]=> Building base/coreutils [5.0 2.0.0-beta3].
02:46 < rxr> mnemoc: did you 1-coreutils usually failed ?
02:48 < mnemoc> i ahve to finish 1-lixnu24 first ;)
02:49 < mnemoc> go to sleep.... i'll mail you
02:49 < rxr> mnemoc: did your 1-coreutils usually failed in the past?
02:49 < rxr> == 05/18/03 02:49:48 =[1]=> Finished building package coreutils.
02:49 < mnemoc> with mike's it fails
02:49 < mnemoc> without it, 1-success, 3-fails
02:49 < mnemoc> that's why i asked you about 1-coreutils
02:49 < rxr> mnemoc: don't forget to get the source:
02:49 < rxr> Author: rene
02:49 < rxr> Date: 2003-05-18 02:42:04 +0200 (Sun, 18 May 2003)
02:49 < rxr> New Revision: 298
02:49 < rxr> Added:
02:49 < rxr>    rock-trunk/package/base/coreutils/no-generate-hack.patch
02:49 < rxr> Log:
02:49 < rxr> ok - final fix
02:49 < mnemoc> don't wnat to reach 300 tonight?
02:49 < rxr> hm - I could improve some .init script if you wanna see 300 now ;-)
02:50 < mnemoc> hehe ... go to sleep :-)
02:54 < mnemoc> rxr: still here?
02:54 < rxr> mnemoc: yes
02:54 < mnemoc> what your no-generate do in stage 5 or 9?
02:54 < mnemoc> any damage?
02:55 < rxr> nope - those damn Makefile.in files are simply not regenerated
02:56 < rxr> we do not need this damn "when a bit changed all is regenerated" fluff, because it would detroy my modifications
02:56 < mnemoc> but, they are there for something... not just bothering
02:56 < rxr> and when we patch the basic fils (like cliff did) we depent on the auto* dung which then regenerates the Makefile.in and so the Makefile
02:57 < mnemoc> ok
02:57 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - but from the Makefile.am a Makefile.in is generated which in turn is generated into Makefile by configure
02:57 < rxr> (the auto* dung stinks ...)
02:58 < rxr> for a normal build they are not regenerated - this only happens because we touch those files (with patch)
02:58 < mnemoc> aa.... i see
02:59 < mnemoc> i thought ./confgiure could ask for them in some way
03:04 < rxr> Author: rene
03:04 < rxr> Date: 2003-05-18 03:06:32 +0200 (Sun, 18 May 2003)
03:04 < rxr> New Revision: 300
03:04 < rxr> Modified:
03:04 < rxr>    rock-trunk/package/rene/squid/squid.init
03:04 < rxr> Log:
03:04 < rxr> improved squid.init (mostly mnemoc waited for a revision 300 this night;-)
03:04 < rxr> Good night mnemoc ;-)
03:11 < mnemoc> good night rxr
03:32 < mnemoc> PS1='<$( if [ $UID -eq 0 ]; then echo "@"; fi )\u>' <--- nice prompt ;-)
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03:41 * tsa going to bed
03:41 < tsa> cu all
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03:41 < mnemoc> n8 tsa
03:42 * mnemoc is away: away
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08:38 < kasc> moin
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09:24 < rxr> 685 builds total, 361 completed fine, 0 with errors.
09:35 < daja77> moin
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09:37 < daja77> moin blindcoder
09:40 * daja77 off again...
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10:17 < rxr> moin daja77
10:44 < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
10:44 < blindcoder> krec, gnome-soud-recorder are unable to record from Microphone
10:44 < blindcoder> but `rec` just does it without complaining :D
10:45 < blindcoder> long live the command-line tools!!!
10:45 < _NULL_> moin
10:45 < _NULL_> hi blindy
10:45 < blindcoder> moin nully :)
10:47 < rxr> blindcoder: do not not think this is a gnome/kde-rec s.th. issue - more a how is your mixer set issue
10:49 < blindcoder> rxr: I just find it strange that rec just does it without me needing to configure anything and gnome-sound-recorder offers only configuring the path to sox (which is also used by rec) but complains about being unable to open the sound device
10:50 < blindcoder> and no, nothing else was using it ATM, not even XMMS
10:50 < rxr> 687 builds total, 396 completed fine, 0 with errors.
10:50 < blindcoder> sweet
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11:05 < rxr> 687 builds total, 403 completed fine, 0 with errors.
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11:08 < _NULL_> re
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11:13 < rxr> hi _NULL_
11:15 < _NULL_> hi rxr
11:21 < rxr> I guess this will be final -beta3:
11:21 < rxr> 687 builds total, 408 completed fine, 0 with errors.
11:21 < rxr> s/be/become/
11:21 < rxr> now only this two damn 40 gig disks from IBM needs to be back from RMA (otherwise no space on the ISO server ...)
11:22 < rxr> Committed revision 305.
11:23 * rxr awy - cu
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11:35 < blindcoder> WEE!
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11:35 < blindcoder> Nothing like an espresso dopio after lunch :)
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11:41 < blindcoder> okay, so no subversion for me >_,
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11:51 < LocalHero> Hi all
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11:56 < netrunner> moin
12:00 * blindcoder now taking a shower then training then another shower and then maybe back :)
12:00 < blindcoder> baba
12:02 < n00kie> Have fun, blindcoder :)
12:03 * netrunner now trying the svn-tree hoping the cc1 problem dissapears without work
12:08 < _NULL_> moin netrunner
12:09 < _NULL_> *lol* i guess there should be a counter how often netrunner used the word "problem"
12:09 < netrunner> _NULL_: :P Next you start telling me it's my fault.
12:10 < _NULL_> netrunner: sure.
12:11 < _NULL_> you don't give your computer enought love :ppp
12:11 < netrunner> _NULL_: no, I kick him with my feet.
12:12 < _NULL_> netrunner: eh! your poor computer! he wants a hug not a kick!
12:13 < _NULL_> it's a machine, not a human. machines have emotions and are feeling if you're hating or loving them
12:14 < netrunner> _NULL_: ah, and he probably dislikes the smell of my socks?
12:14 < netrunner> hm ... half an hour for the kernel compile ... not good but acceptable.
12:14 < _NULL_> netrunner: yeah. you know, you're a lazy student - who changes his socks every week ;p
12:15 < _NULL_> on which machineß
12:15 < _NULL_> s/ß/?
12:15 < netrunner> _NULL_: I change my socks every day. left to right, right to left, and every second day inside out.
12:16 < _NULL_> oh goth. now you're really shocking me! ;p
12:16 * netrunner -> learning.
12:16 < _NULL_> netrunner: have fun
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12:17 < rxr> netrunner: if you have some CC problem with the svn tree - please mail the log to me
12:18 < rxr> 687 builds total, 429 completed fine, 0 with errors.
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12:57 < netrunner> rxr: I had them with the cvs tree, now building svn 300 in stage 1-glibc23 so far
13:00 < _NULL_> <-- inline-skating. bbl
13:06 < _NULL_> or not. *grml*
13:07 < netrunner> _NULL_: what, to wet? (here at least)
13:07 < _NULL_> netrunner: nope. but sunday --> people (human race) are everywhere *shivers*
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13:11 < netrunner> _NULL_: do you come to the bladenight in m?
13:12 < _NULL_> netrunner: nope. sounds like a "volksauflauf" - even more people --> *hiding under the "bettdecke"* and: no time :)
13:13 < netrunner> _NULL_: hm ... ca. 15k to 25k people :)
13:13 < _NULL_> netrunner: waaaaaaaah! help! this would killing me!
13:19 < netrunner> _NULL_: so come here and inline with few people! *checkingtheroads*
13:20 < netrunner> hm ... still a little wet, but could improve.
13:20 < _NULL_> netrunner: #define here ?
13:21 < netrunner> _NULL_: munich. eastside 'yo man!'
13:22 < _NULL_> netrunner: hmmm.. munich.. to far away.
13:29 < netrunner> _NULL_: :P
13:30 < _NULL_> .oO( netrunner seems to like to be kicked )
13:30 * _NULL_ kicks netrunner :p
13:30 * netrunner defends himself with his left little finger
13:31 < _NULL_> *hrhr*
13:31 * _NULL_ uses her black magic power to kick netrunner :p
13:32 * netrunner summons a white mana shield
13:32 * _NULL_ destroys netrunner's white mana shield
13:32 * netrunner throws a astalbolt at _NULL_
13:32 * netrunner curses his spelling
13:32 * _NULL_ dies
13:33 * netrunner reawakes _NULL_ giving her the shiny green leaf
13:33 < _NULL_> :-(
13:33 < _NULL_> dammit. don't awake me, netrunner - this is evil *cries*
13:33 < netrunner> _NULL_: your time has not yet come! stay suffering! :P
13:34 < _NULL_> netrunner: oho!
13:34 * netrunner cooks some hot chocolate and offers it to _NULL_
13:34 * _NULL_ takes a "zweihaeder" and splits netrunner's head into two parts
13:35 < _NULL_> O_o hot chocolade. no thx. but tea would be nice. :p
13:35 * netrunner laughs while watching NULL fighting with his mirror
13:35 < _NULL_> netrunner: eh! *kick*
13:35 * netrunner reappears and turns _NULL_'s bihander into a feather
13:36 < _NULL_> *cries*
13:36 * netrunner says: you know, _NULL_, the feather is more powerful than the sword.
13:36 < _NULL_> netrunner: nack.
13:36 * netrunner takes the feather and starts tickling _NULL_
13:37 < netrunner> you see? :)
13:37 < _NULL_> *g*
13:37 < _NULL_> yes, i see
13:37 < netrunner> .o( oh man, I haven't been to a mud for loong )
13:37 < _NULL_> mud?
13:37 * netrunner hands the feather back to _NULL_
13:38 < _NULL_> thx, netrunner :)
13:38 * _NULL_ strikes back and tickles netrunner to death :p+
13:38 < netrunner> _NULL_: mud = multi user dungeon, text adventure, works like this here :)
13:38 * netrunner starts giggling, laughing rotfling
13:38 < _NULL_> netrunner: *g* ok.
13:38 < _NULL_> *hrhr*
13:39 < netrunner> _NULL_: try telnet mg.mud.de
13:39 < _NULL_> hmhmhm... *thinking* you need telnet installed on your machine... i haven't *grml*
13:40 < _NULL_> but thx anyway
13:40 < netrunner> _NULL_: there are also mud clients, or you could use netcat. but protocol and port used is telnet
13:42 < _NULL_> netrunner: hmhm. i need to install my system first... but today... hm. nobody can force me, to leave the bed :-/
13:42 < _NULL_> or even to work
13:48 * blindcoder back
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13:49 < _NULL_> wb blindcoder
13:49 < blindcoder> WEE! I feel good now :)
13:51 < blindcoder> the problem with muds I have is that none of them fits what I want >_<
13:51 < _NULL_> blindcoder: ??? are you mutated ???
13:51 < blindcoder> _NULL_: no, why?
13:51 < _NULL_> *looking shocked*
13:51 < blindcoder> _NULL_: or maybe I am but didn't notice...
13:51 < _NULL_> blindcoder: because you're feeling good now...
13:51 < blindcoder> hrm... thinking about it... the latter is probably true :)
13:51 < blindcoder> _NULL_: yes, just came back from training :)
13:52 < blindcoder> and had a looong cooold shower :)
13:52 < _NULL_> blindcoder: i had a cold shower, too... but... didn't help...
13:52 < _NULL_> and to get the pills of luck i would have to leave the bed --> no chance
13:53 < blindcoder> _NULL_: maybe you should go to a gym, too
13:54 < _NULL_> blindcoder: forget it. to see all those "oh, i'm looking so great and i want to luck like a model"-"surfacing" humans? thanks - i would jump out of the next window, then
13:55 < blindcoder> _NULL_: hrm... you're pre-judged, you know.
13:55 < _NULL_> blindcoder: maybe. but - i don't see a sense in gym and crap. and humans... you know... i'm really "loving" them...
13:56 < _NULL_> (and - ignore my typing,gramatical,whatever-failures)
13:56 < _NULL_> (/me even to dumb to use a computer, talking/writing english, doing something)
13:57 < capchaos> _NULL_, that's not true ...
13:57 < _NULL_> capchaos: it is.
13:57 < capchaos> no, it is not.
13:57 < blindcoder> _NULL_: well... I really feel good after gym, but if you don't want to... your choice
13:58 < _NULL_> capchaos: it is. and in future you will know it...
13:58 < _NULL_> blindcoder: i can also do some hours of inline-skating - and i'm feeling like sh**
13:58 < capchaos> no it's not, but .. if you want it to be, _NULL_, well..
13:59 < _NULL_> but anyways - i'm forced to eat something now. or my parents are going to kill me because i didn't eat much since over a week
13:59 < _NULL_> capchaos: ...
14:00 < blindcoder> _NULL_: I did that, too. And it doesn't feel the same
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14:15 < _NULL_> blindcoder: yeah. but you want to become a "super-muscle-man"
14:16 < _NULL_> and, blindcoder - my problems are caused by life and thinking not physically.
14:17 < _NULL_> (and if sports helps, then something isn't ok with melotonin and sorotonin afaik)
14:21 < blindcoder> _NULL_: did I ever said that? I said that I want to get rid of too much body fah
14:21 < blindcoder> fat
14:22 < blindcoder> hrm... no libX11.a in ROCK
14:23 < _NULL_> blindcoder: you said that you feel better after gym. and i should try this, too. (too feel better) - but i know that it doesn't help for me
14:24 < blindcoder> _NULL_: have you tried?
14:24 < _NULL_> blindcoder: i didn't try gym (and for sure - i won't try it) - but i tried skating and so
14:24 < blindcoder> _NULL_: so how do you know?
14:26 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH* i know that i can't solve my problems caused by this fscking world/thoughts with sports! my melatonin and sorotonin-values are more than ok - so sport would not help me.
14:26 < blindcoder> now, if you could enlighten me what melatonin and sorotonin is...
14:27 < esden> good day
14:28 < blindcoder> hi esden
14:28 < _NULL_> blindcoder: oh goth. how to describe this... ok... i'm trying it with an example: if you have to less of them, you always feel like shit.
14:28 < _NULL_> hi esden
14:28 < _NULL_> blindcoder: and this is caused by nothing less than your body. but not by thaughts
14:29 < blindcoder> _NULL_: so your values can't be okay...
14:29 < esden> hmm ... I see you are fighting once more?
14:29 < blindcoder> esden: as usual :)
14:30 < _NULL_> blindcoder: they're ok. my blood was checked. and as i said once before - they're more than ok.
14:30 < _NULL_> esden: sure. :p
14:31 < esden> good
14:32 < _NULL_> hmm... someone knows "crying crows" btw?
14:33 < blindcoder> no
14:33 < _NULL_> it was quite clear, that you won't know them ;p
14:33 < blindcoder> :P
14:34 < _NULL_> (otherwise you would have been mutated)
14:36 < esden> I want to sleep ... *yawn*
14:36 < _NULL_> esden: lazy student. didn't you sleep at night?
14:36 < esden> damn Irix installation ... I finally menaged it to install irix on the indigo but it costed 9 hours
14:36 < esden> _NULL_: no ... I have not ... I have installed irix ... as said above ... ;-)
14:36 < _NULL_> indigo? O_o
14:37 < esden> *sigh*
14:37 < _NULL_> esden: okok. then: rm 'lazy student' :p
14:38 < netrunner> Building tools in build/.../tools.chroot: cc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1': No such file or directory
14:39 < netrunner> _NULL_: oh, sorry for mentioning problem again
14:39 < esden> ahh ... there it is : http://www.serc.iisc.ernet.in/pictures/hardware/indigo2.gif
14:39 < esden> _NULL_: see the above link to see the box
14:43 < _NULL_> netrunner: hahaha. it's your fault :p
14:43 < netrunner> _NULL_: I do not care if you just point me to my fault.
14:44 < netrunner> (or anybody else?)
14:44 < esden> that was exactly that machine: MaxImpact Indigo2 R10000, 4MB Texture + 20inch, 195MHz R10000SC processor w/1MB of Secondary Cache, 256MB Memory, 8GB Hard Drive, MaxImpact graphics w/4MB texture memory!, Built in 4 Channel 44.1KHz 16Bit Audio
14:44 < esden> netrunner: nope ... as I said already ... :-/
14:44 < netrunner> esden: sounds nice, that 1hu thing?
14:44 < _NULL_> esden: where did you get it from? from a lugin-member or so?
14:45 < _NULL_> netrunner: oki.
14:45 < esden> netrunner: no it is more like 2 hu
14:45 < esden> _NULL_: no ... uninvited does have such a box ... 
14:45 < _NULL_> esden: ah so.
14:45 < esden> and there was irix installed but he had not the root password for it ... so "he" had to reinstall the system
14:46 < esden> so he came yesterday to bitz ... and I sat down and after figuring out how (about 4 hours or so) I managed to install it ... (9 hours all in all)
14:47 < esden> but now I know that the installation system of irix really sux ... and that it is really an example of user unfriendly interface
14:47 < _NULL_> esden: urgs. btw, don't you wanna come to neuburg and get my DEC-alpha installed? *vbeg* (without a monitor of course)
14:47 < esden> no _NULL_ 
14:47 < _NULL_> esden: *g* why not?
14:48 < esden> I do only install systems for free when I do it the first time ... I will never install irix for free anymore ... 
14:49 < esden> and not any other system
14:49 < _NULL_> esden: hm... an alpha has irix installed?
14:49 < esden> I need money ...
14:49 < esden> and my time is expensive
14:49 < esden> no not alpha
14:50 < _NULL_> aeeeeeh.. esden ??????? are you changing into one of those "geldgeile" people? btw, i won't know you anymore, if you're wearing a smoking or so in future
14:50 < esden> you install Tru64 Unix on dec alphas
14:50 < esden> _NULL_: I ware a smoking from time to time today too ... 
14:51 < _NULL_> esden: ok... or freebsd or so afaik would be able to run on the DEC.. my problem is just, that i don't own a monitor... and there's no "com-port"
14:51 * _NULL_ ph34rs esden 
14:51 < esden> good so _NULL_ 
14:51 < _NULL_> esden: :p
14:51 < esden> what alpha model is it?
14:52 < _NULL_> model: pe32a-cd
14:52 < _NULL_> dec 3000 300lx
14:52 < esden> and alpha systems have normally a pci bus so you can insert a pci gfx card and connect a normal monitor to it
14:52 < _NULL_> hm. second please
14:53 < esden> ok ... you only have turbochannel in that box
14:54 < _NULL_> ack.
14:54 < _NULL_> hrmpf. :-/
14:54 < esden> and you have a serial port in that box
14:54 < _NULL_> huh?
14:54 < esden> #
14:54 < esden>     * One DB25 serial port with modem control
14:55 < esden> _NULL_: internet and google is your friend ;-)
14:55 < _NULL_> hmmm... ethernet, isdn, modem... a strange looking but larger than serial-port-port, and a printer or so oprt
14:56 < esden> _NULL_: http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html#300LX
14:56 < _NULL_> esden: yeah... i had a look there, too... but didn't find something to get my box running...
14:57 < esden> _NULL_: *sigh* .. DB25 is an old serial port ... looks like a parallel port ...
14:57 < esden> and that box ... if you read that page I sent you does not have a parallel port ...
14:57 < blindcoder> hehe
14:57 < _NULL_> esden: hmmm... k...
14:57 < blindcoder> I like bash :D
14:57 < esden> _NULL_: you only have to reed
14:57 < blindcoder> for x in *gif ; do convert $x ${x%gif}tga; done
14:58 < _NULL_> yeah but it doesn't help me much with the problem how to see the output...
14:58 < esden> blindcoder: and ... what is so funny in it?
14:58 < esden> _NULL_: minicom is your friend?
14:58 < _NULL_> .oO( esden is in bad mood )
14:58 < _NULL_> esden: ...
14:58 < blindcoder> esden: I just like it :)
15:00 < _NULL_> hmpf... /me hopes to find some monitors in the company...
15:03 < esden> _NULL_: nope I am not in a bad mood ... but I only want you to look for information more carefully ... so that your life get's easier
15:03 < _NULL_> hmmm...
15:04 < esden> _NULL_: search google for information how to connect over serial cable to an dec machine .. what cable you need and what settings in minicom
15:04 < esden> and then you boot the box ... it detects that no keyboard is connected so it goes automatically on serial ... not like the fscking pa-risc hp machines >_< that you have te set on serial port blind
15:05 < esden> and then you can boot the alpha installation cd ... where is there a problem?
15:05 < _NULL_> alpha installation cd... *g* there is a) no cd-rom-lw, b) i don't own such a cd
15:06 < _NULL_> (and: i'm not owning an scsi-cd-lw)
15:07 < esden> in bitz there should be one .. you have to ask Flo
15:07 < _NULL_> ok... thx
15:08 < esden> why do I have to think for you ... *headshake*
15:08 < _NULL_> a) i wasn't often at bitz! b) i don't know the people c) i'm too stupid
15:08 < _NULL_> d) goodbye!
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15:08 < esden> lol ... standard reaction
15:09 < esden> she knows flo ... and she knows that there are many strange things in bitz ... why didn't she ask him? I think I will never understand other people ...
15:11 < esden> ok ... I am off ... learning
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15:23 < comrad> nuff
15:23 < comrad> hi
15:33 < netrunner> hm ... nfs slows build down by factor 3 (measured on 0-glibc23: nfs: 30min, local: 9min)
15:48 < netrunner> slashme wants chocolate
15:54 < mnemoc> netrunner: use ntfs for 'download' but never for building... if you have enought memory you should try to build in tempfs.
15:55 < netrunner> mnemoc: s/ntfs/nfs, is 1G enough?
15:56 < mnemoc> you MUST use tempfs ;)
15:56 < netrunner> mnemoc: is it that faster?
15:57 < mnemoc> try it ;)   [ ]    Use TMPFS for building packages
15:57 < netrunner> mnemoc: does it continue my running build?
15:58 < mnemoc> sure... but abort between pacakges
15:59 < mnemoc> if you abort a package (stage>=3) you will leave some nasty binds
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17:16 < c4y0> hi!
17:16 < netrunner> c4y0: ho.
17:16 * netrunner -> cooking
17:16 < c4y0> hi!!!!! =)
17:17 < mnemoc> nice.. un colombiano ;-)
17:17 < c4y0> yeah!  arriba colombia!!!! ;)
17:26 < netrunner> mnemoc: 2-binutils fails not finding the download dir.
17:29 < netrunner> mnemoc: ah ... nfs mounted download works, but symlinked not
17:33 < mnemoc> buuu :(
17:34 < mnemoc> i did some tiny-tests with links....
17:35 < mnemoc> gotta go right now... i you find a simple solution mail it ;-)
17:35 < mnemoc> bye
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17:52 < LocalHero> Hi all
18:05 < netrunner> hi LH
18:07 < esden> hi all
18:08 < esden> a columbian? ... cool from wher in columbia?
18:09 < netrunner> esden: where's tonight's party going on?
18:09 < esden> o_O
18:09 < esden> no idea ... why?
18:10 < netrunner> esden: boring here.
18:17 < esden> learn DS2 ;-)
18:17 < esden> then you are not bored ;-)
18:21 < esden> ahh an aswer from Joey ... cool
18:26 < LocalHero> Oki, what isos do we want to keep? Im cleaning up the iso site now and transfering it to the new desing?
18:26 < LocalHero> 1.4.0 is a must have :)
18:27 < esden> LocalHero: ack
18:28 < LocalHero> I did some cleaning a month ago. Hmm, seams like i have 1.5.19 and 1.5.20
18:29 < LocalHero> Should i keep them?
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18:43 < tcr> moin all
18:45 < netrunner> esden: that's what I am doing all day :)
18:50 < LocalHero> Oki, what do you think. Is it good for a start?
18:50 < LocalHero> http://beta.hightech.nu
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18:56 < n00kie> rxr: Are you there?
18:57 < n00kie>  /dev file system support (EXPERIMENTAL) -> automaticilly mount at boot or Debug devfs?
18:58 < tcr> the latter one isn't necessary and not really desirable
18:58 < n00kie> Okay
18:58 < n00kie> Nothing to select?
18:58 < n00kie> of the both points ?
18:58 < tcr> the former one is required, however
18:59 < tcr> devfs support (in general) + automatically mount at startup
18:59 < n00kie> ok
18:59 < n00kie> rxr said, that the machine won't boot up then
19:01 < tcr> Hmm?
19:01 < n00kie> mom
19:02 < tcr> the machine won't boot up if you do _not_ enable that automatically mounting thingy -- maybe it was that?
19:05 < n00kie> [14:23] < n00kie_> enable the "mount at boot" option
19:05 < n00kie> [14:24] < rxr> n00kie_: no this would make the box unbootable
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19:05 < n00kie> that,t c
19:05 < n00kie> tcr:
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19:07 < tcr> Hmm.. Would be new to me, but if he says so ...
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19:07 < n00kie> Hmm
19:07 < n00kie> What should I select then ?
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19:08 < n00kie> daja77: Are you there?
19:08 < tcr> n00kie: Just the devfs support - nothing else, I guess
19:08 < n00kie> mm
19:08 < n00kie> alright :)
19:09 < n00kie> I trust you :)
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19:55 < tcr> sorry, guys, but xchat 2.x doesnt seem to be very stable yet
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19:55 < LocalHero> Hi all. Anybody have a iso bulit with kernel support for Buslogic so that i can run vmware?
19:56 < LocalHero> Or an 1.7 iso for that part :=
19:57 * netrunner watching startrek
19:57 < esden> please take a look at this: http://www.infodrom.org/LinuxTag/index.php3?project=Rocklinux
19:57 < esden> and tell me if it is ok
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20:00 < LocalHero> esden, login pw?
20:01 < esden> ups
20:03 < LocalHero> oki no pw then :(
20:03 < esden> one moment ... I search the right link ...
20:03 < LocalHero> ahha :)
20:04 < LocalHero> Ah,, brb
20:05 < esden> I post the description on the mailinglist
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20:43 < esden> ok ... mail out
20:43 < esden> puhh that is a long one ...
20:52 < daja77> n00kie_: why?
20:52 < n00kie_> daja77: Just had some problems
20:52 < n00kie_> Nothing important :)
20:52 < daja77> are they away?
20:52 < n00kie_> yep
20:52 < daja77> good
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20:58 < tcr> esden: ping
21:01 < esden> tcr: ?
21:01 < tcr> esden: In your description are some spelling errors..
21:03 < esden> tcr: so reply to my mail correcting them ... that is why I sent it to the list ... 
21:03 * -> esden spelling sucks ... and I know that ... I am a legasteniker
21:03 < esden> I can not do anything about it ...
21:04 < tcr> I can't send any mails a.t.m. :/ But just wait a bit
21:04 < esden> ok
21:06 < tcr> esden: Eh, that can wait a bit, can't it? Be back watching the truman how
21:06 < tcr> show
21:13 < netrunner> esden: foreign languages are not to be spoken perfectly. Consider me speaking your tongue! ;)
21:13 < daja77> esden: do you really think it is a good idea to say that stuff about bsd ports, and other kernels, this sounds like vapourware to me
21:38 < rxr> re
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21:39 < showGUN> hi all
21:40 < showGUN> anybody here!
21:41 < tcr> Yup
21:41 < showGUN> it rather confuses me that there is no percent counter inthe builder script. i tought that it could be done from the .outs and the .logs avarage and current size
21:42 < showGUN> any ideas?
21:43 < tcr> Hmm..
21:43 < n00kie_> n8
21:43 < showGUN> n8 whatta?
21:44 < n00kie_> night :)
21:44 < rxr> showGUN: It could be done - but would be very inaccurate, and some hacking. I do not know if it is worth it ...
21:44 < showGUN> inaccurate...
21:44 < tcr> maybe it'd be easier to add to the successfull build message something like: (XXX/YYY) - whereby XXX is the number of already built package in the current stage, and YYY the total number of packages in the current stage that should be built
21:45 < showGUN> i'd like to see in within one package
21:45 < tcr> Ah, you mean when building just one package? I thought you meant the whole build process
21:46 < showGUN> and i think the commands executed doesn't lasts the same time and the logsizez depends of the arch too, but an avarage percent, so i could see, that 5-koffice (sloooow) is about 20% or at 70% schon
21:47 < showGUN> or a separate program running on a different vc, could do it
21:48 < tcr> showGUN: Hmm, yeah as an external shellscript... Well, go ahead and write one
21:48 < tcr> shouldn't be to hard to write
21:48 < showGUN> i think so
21:48 < showGUN> but i have to wait for the sizes
21:49 < showGUN> because during building, or no data or ended :)))
21:52 < tcr> Hmm... do you have fast boxes?
21:52 < showGUN> fast boxes? only one K7 @1600
21:53 < showGUN> but when i'm ready it'll be the first
21:56 < tcr> Well, the more builds, the more precise the heurestics would get ;)
21:58 < esden> daja77: write an email to the mailinglist ... I think that it should be discussed there ...
21:59 < esden> tcr ... truman show? where?
22:00 < showGUN> what?
22:00 < showGUN> not this kind of show, okay
22:00 < showGUN> :k
22:01 < tcr> esden: Muha, it's almost over.. pro7
22:01 < esden> tcr: argl
22:06 < showGUN> okay, byz
22:06 < showGUN> i go
22:06 < tcr> esden: take a look at the query pls
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22:40 < _NULL_> re
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23:04 < jsaw> hi.
23:04 < esden> hi jsaw 
23:05 < jsaw> hi esden
23:05 < jsaw> daja77: around?
23:07 < jsaw> bootdisk problem: how do I get my secondary IDE controller (PDC20265) working as module? (The module loads and detects the card fine, but doesn't detect any discs)
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23:35 < daja77> jsaw: yes
23:35 < daja77> jsaw: you may download if you like
23:36 < daja77> jsaw: sorry had to reboot routing machine, so you havent got the complete image
23:37 < jsaw> daja77: no prob. but before I download...
23:38 < jsaw> daja77: I remember that I had a problem getting access to my discs on the secondary IDE controller (dito)..
23:39 < jsaw> daja77: AFAICS, the (kernel) config didn't change, so possibility is low, that the bootdisk will run on my computer :-\
23:39 < daja77> hmm dunno, anyway if like to do another download, feel free todo so
23:39 * daja77 off again
23:40 < jsaw> daja77: I remember sb. saying I should then upload it to another server?
23:41 < daja77> ah yes, I thought you might like to upload it to LocalHero's iso server, but afaik you don't have a complete image
23:43 < daja77> acccording to my log ;=
23:43 < daja77> )
23:43 < jsaw> 1. I messed it up, 2. I'll start over now, and then put it on LocalHero... k?
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23:45 < daja77> yeah it is ok for me
23:45 < daja77> ok bye now ;)
23:45 < jsaw> cu
23:46 * jsaw is away: busy
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