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00:11 < jose_> hello!
00:11 < jose_> ehlo
00:11 < jose_> I just find something very funny i'll like you to see!
00:11 < jose_> http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#04
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01:28 < daja77> gn8 you all
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06:57 < baka-chibi> phew, almost forgot
06:57 < baka-chibi> can't reboot the machine remote >_<
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07:57 < Mike1> blindcoder: why not?
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08:02 < blindcoder> MiThe machine hangs on BIOS Screen waiting for Y1 to be pressed
08:02 < blindcoder> I still don't know why.... must be some misconfig in the BIOS or a bug in the BIOS itself...
08:03 < blindcoder> hrm...
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08:10 < blindcoder> wb Mike1
08:10 < blindcoder> Mike1: The machine hangs on BIOS Screen waiting for F1 to be pressed
08:10 < blindcoder> Mike1: I still haven't found the corresponding BIOS option >_<
08:12 < Mike1> blindcoder: ok this sucks
08:12 < Mike1> blindcoder: i have the same problem here
08:12 < blindcoder> Mike1: the reconnection to the internet isn't a problem, that gets checked every 5 minutes...
08:13 < blindcoder> But I do have some kernel problems since the last... infliction of shock to the case when the hard disk were running
08:13 < blindcoder> so I hoped to be able to try a few things... but nooo.. *grmpf*
08:14 < Mike1> grr
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08:15 < blindcoder> Mike1: do you know by heart what "CPU Context corrupt" means? I get this a panic() message >_<
08:16 < Mike1> no honestly i do not know.
08:17 < blindcoder> hrm... okay
08:17 < Mike1> sorry
08:19 < blindcoder> hmm...
08:19 < blindcoder> I have to read up on Machine Check Exception
08:21 < blindcoder> hrm.... thi is bad...
08:21 < blindcoder> overheating and other problems... *argh*
08:23 < blindcoder> okay, that might be.... since the problem usually occured during ROCK builds
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09:12 < blindcoder> moin rene
09:13 < Mike1> hi rene
09:14 < _NULL_> hi
09:15 < blindcoder> moin nully
09:15 < Mike1> hi _NULL_
09:15 < _NULL_> Mike1: workaholic :p
09:15 < _NULL_> hi blindcoder , Mike1
09:15 < Mike1> _NULL_: i am not!
09:15 < _NULL_> Mike1: you're :)
09:16 < Mike1> _NULL_: i am just hangging around
09:16 < Mike1> :)
09:16 < _NULL_> Mike1: hanging around and coding, eh?
09:16 < Mike1> and maybe coding 1/2 a bit
09:16 < Mike1> :)
09:16 < Mike1> grrr.... you should not know me so well..
09:17 < _NULL_> *lol* 1/2 a bit + 1. = Mike1 's definition of coding 1/2 a bit
09:17 < _NULL_> Mike1: hehehe. too late, Mike1 ;p
09:17 < Mike1> _NULL_: mm...
09:18 < Mike1> _NULL_: well what can i say, money can get me quite motivated for coding and progress fast
09:18 < Mike1> :)
09:18 < _NULL_> Mike1: uffff... you're really a workaholic
09:18 * _NULL_ fears Mike1 :p
09:18 < Mike1> _NULL_: no, just a hacker :)
09:18 < Mike1> like others in here..
09:19 < Mike1> _NULL_: but yeah ph43r m3...
09:19 < Mike1> ph34r*
09:19 < _NULL_> Mike1: *g* sure.
09:19 < blindcoder> hrm dammit...
09:19 < Mike1> blindcoder: ?
09:19 < blindcoder> I'm not wearing my ph34r-shirt today :D
09:20 < _NULL_> <-- is lazy (just coded till about 00:30 tonight)
09:20 < _NULL_> blindcoder: :p
09:20 < Mike1> blindcoder: ouch, what's wrong with you ????
09:20 < Mike1> blindcoder: you need to wear it daily, it doesn't matter if it stinks
09:21 < blindcoder> Mike1: well, haven't had time to put it in the washing machine yesterday :/
09:21 < _NULL_> *g* "real hackers stinks" or am i wrong?
09:21 < Mike1> _NULL_: sure, smell Alan Cox next time you see him
09:22 < _NULL_> Mike1: nope. but my bf :)
09:22 < Mike1> _NULL_: what's your bf's name?
09:23 < _NULL_> Mike1: Johnny :)
09:23 < Mike1> okis
09:33 < rene> chaosmaster The difference is so great that recently an attempt to install a P3 build on my Athlon caused a crash.
09:34 < rene>  roffel
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09:40 < blindcoder> erm...
09:40 < blindcoder> okay...
09:43 < _NULL_> ARGH!!! SPAM on my mobile phone! WTF is going on now?!
09:43 < _NULL_> (and from +486056...) *puke*
09:45 < _NULL_> nah. *blind*
09:46 < _NULL_> (or not...)
09:52 < rxr> CmdKeen_RadioMod Can I build a clean NT kernel in ROCK Linux?
09:52 < rxr>  ^- who as eaten his brain ?
09:53 < _NULL_> *lol* where did you found this, rxr ?
09:55 < rxr> the ROCK Linux chat stuff (this official thing from a week ago ..)
09:56 < rxr> in genreally most of this chat stuff is so dumb
09:56 < blindcoder> urks
09:57 * blindcoder wants ROCK Linux with the Windows 2000 kernel! *eg*
09:57 < rxr> I wonder if there is a chat application out that eats the brain wihle chatting ...
09:57 < _NULL_> uff... maybe i should read the logs from the chat... to become happy or so
09:57 < rxr> cu later
09:57 < _NULL_> bye rxr
09:57 < blindcoder> yes. it's called mIRC
09:57 < blindcoder> baba rxr
09:58 < _NULL_> ".NET ist das Asbest der Informationstechnik" (Craig Conway) --> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/hps-20.05.03-003/ << *g*
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10:06 < nicks> are most of the current build errors gcc-3.3 related?
10:10 < nicks> I guess not. (just checked)
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10:12 < george> good morning.
10:16 < george> rxr: you seem to have reverted the install-wrapper.sh diffs from me. If so, the package/x11/lesstif/shared-docs.patch file must also stay.
10:19 < nicks> george: while looking at the current drock bugs, I noticed "/dev/{cdrom,dvd} symlinks", and "cd/floppy user mountable".  Why can't these be handled by devfsd, ala devfsd.conf?
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10:24 < george> nicks: I also wondered about that but didn't had the time to look into it.
10:25 < george> and btw, I just started using devfsd...
10:26 < george> nicks: if you already know, how to do it with devfsd.conf, please report this to the ML
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10:41 < nicks> argh, x crashed.  Anyways, yes, I'm working on the devfsd configuration stuff (for submition to ml) right now
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11:17 < rxr> george: sure no problem I can do so
11:18 < george> george: did you revert?
11:18 < george> \-)
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11:18 < george> rxr: did you revert?
11:19 < rxr> the floppy thing is s.th. that needs to be in the fstab ...
11:19 < rxr> george: I'm investigating
11:21 * george needs another coffee...
11:24 < rxr> george: which file was accidently removed ?
11:28 < george> rxr: lesstif.conf: the "var_append INSTALL_WRAPPER_FILTER ..." lines are gone
11:29 < george> rxr: maybe there was sth wrong with? (the shared-docs.patch was in the way, so maybe sb. noticed it doesn't work as expected)
11:30 < rxr> george: so only the .conf file misses the WRAPPER_FILTER line ?
11:31 < george> rxr: the whole patch that changed this is gone (also the resp. lines in praenti/openmotif are missing)
11:32 < rxr> george: ah - looks like I never committed those :-(
11:34 < george> rxr: so wait with it
11:34 < george> rxr: only revoke the lesstif/shared-docs.patch
11:34 < george> rxr: I'd like to retest it.
11:35 < rxr> george: why wait? I just wanted ro really apply your patches now. What is wrong with them =
11:36 < george> rxr: there's nothing wrong with it, but they are not tested (because of the shared-docs patch, all man pages already had the "x" extension, and thus, the install wrapper couldn't do its job)
11:37 < george> but if you can test (I think your machine is faster), go and apply it.
11:38 < george> rxr: do have a (ROCK )?linux machine at hand?
11:38 < rxr> george: yes I'm hat home so I only have ROCK Linux machnies around me ;-)
11:40 < george> rxr: this is for hotplug (for you to check if is okay to do it this way). Makefile following.
11:41 < _NULL_> aszlig: are you here?
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11:44 < george> rxr: for usage, see hwrcfg.c
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11:46 < george> fsck. just killed X
11:46 < rxr> george: oops
11:46 < rxr> george: run irssi in a screen ;-)
11:47 < george> irssi?
11:49 < george> ah, I see...
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11:54 < george> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/svh-21.05.03-000/: [snip] Als Workaround empfiehlt Microsoft die Installation eines Firewalls mit IPv6-Unterstützung von einem Drittanbieter.
11:54 < george> hehe
11:55 < rxr> prhuh
11:55 < rxr> george: maybe a firewall solution from "ROCK Linux Cunsulting" ;-)
11:56 < george> yep, a cheap mini-ITX powered by ROCK...
11:57 < rxr> yes
11:58 < george> I repeat: keep ROCK sources clean
11:58 < george> ;-)
11:59 < _NULL_> george: keeping it clean?
11:59 < george> _NULL_: read rxr's email concerning openh323 patch...
12:00 < george> hi _NULL_ btw
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12:02 < _NULL_> george: hmm...
12:04 < _NULL_> oh goth! win server 2003 standard is more than sick...
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12:12 < rxr> removed any #!/bin/bash stuff from the kasc repository
12:12 < rxr>  asc/asc.conf                       |    2 +-
12:12 < rxr>  barrage/barrage.conf               |    2 +-
12:12 < rxr>  clanlib/clanlib.conf               |    2 +-
12:12 < rxr>  corewars/corewars.conf             |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  crimson/crimson.conf               |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  flightgear/flightgear.conf         |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  foobillard/foobillard.conf         |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  foobillard/foobillard.desc         |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  freeciv/freeciv.conf               |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  freedroid/freedroid.conf           |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  frozen-bubble/frozen-bubble.conf   |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  geki2/geki2.conf                   |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  geki3/geki3.conf                   |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  glide3/glide3.conf                 |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  gltron/gltron.conf                 |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  gnubg/gnubg.conf                   |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  gnuchess/gnuchess.conf             |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  grande/grande.conf                 |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  hexxagon/hexxagon.conf             |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  kapitalist/kapitalist.conf         |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  lbreakout2/lbreakout2.conf         |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  lgeneral/lgeneral.conf             |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  libsdl_console/libsdl_console.conf |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  lmarbles/lmarbles.conf             |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  lpairs/lpairs.conf                 |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  ltris/ltris.conf                   |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  mahjong/mahjong.conf               |    2 +-
12:13 < rxr>  metakit/metakit.conf               |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  openal/openal.conf                 |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  openglad/openglad.conf             |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  paragui/paragui.conf               |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  pingus/pingus.conf                 |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  powermanga/powermanga.conf         |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  rocksndiamonds/rocksndiamonds.conf |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  rubiclox/rubiclox.conf             |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  scilab/scilab.conf                 |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  senken/senken.conf                 |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  simutrans/simutrans.conf           |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  smpeg/smpeg.conf                   |    2 +-
12:14 < blindcoder> l/unignore rxr
12:14 < rxr>  spacearyarya/spacearyarya.conf     |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  squaroid/squaroid.conf             |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  toppler/toppler.conf               |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  torcs/torcs.conf                   |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  tuxkart/tuxkart.conf               |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  wakkabox/wakkabox.conf             |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  xarchon/xarchon.conf               |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  xblasttnt/xblasttnt.conf           |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  xboard/xboard.conf                 |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  xconq/xconq.conf                   |    2 +-
12:14 < rxr>  xkobo/xkobo.conf                   |    2 +-
12:14 < blindcoder> hrmm.... this takes longer
12:14 < rxr>  xskat/xskat.conf                   |    2 +-
12:15 < rxr>  51 files changed, 51 insertions(+), 51 deletions(-)
12:15 < blindcoder> ah
12:18 < rxr> the last uneeded /bin/bash lines - in the blindcoder repository
12:18 < rxr>  libgli/libgli.conf   |    3 ++-
12:18 < rxr>  licq/licq.conf       |    3 ++-
12:18 < rxr>  nethack/nethack.conf |    2 +-
12:18 < rxr>  3 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
12:18 < rxr> blindcoder: a suggestion for your:
12:18 < rxr> licq/licq.conf
12:19 < blindcoder> hrm...
12:19 < blindcoder> rxr: yes?
12:19 < rxr> use "build_this_package" like done e.g. in the ogg-vorbis package
12:20 < blindcoder> hm... will have a look
12:20 < rxr> hm - ok, might not work because it normally deflates the tar  ...
12:20 < esden> argl ... rxr ? everything ok?
12:21 < esden> ;-)
12:21 < blindcoder> rxr: hmmm... wasn't there a switch for extracting the srctar?
12:21 < blindcoder> autoextract ... '0' = skip automatic untar
12:22 < blindcoder> I'll have a look at that when I'm home
12:24 < rxr> blindcoder: thanks for taking a look if you could convert to build_this_package ;-)x
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13:18 < daja77> moin
13:18 < _NULL_> hi daja77
13:18 < daja77> hi _NULL_
13:19 < george> hi daja77
13:19 < daja77> hi george
13:19 < daja77> george: could you use the minimal build?
13:19 < george> daja77: can you send me an email with the announcement for the minimal-target again, I "lost" it.
13:20 < daja77> announcemnet, huh?
13:20 < daja77> I haven't announced anything
13:20 < george> daja77: for localhero, or was that a discussion in a different universe?
13:21 * daja77 puzzled
13:21 < george> daja77: i guess I screwed up my brain. probably somebody else requested me to do it.
13:21 < daja77> :)
13:22 < daja77> ok lemme try
13:22 < daja77> you downloaded minimal iso from me, right?
13:24 < george> daja77: downloaded: yes, tried: no ("lack of time" is heard very often from my mouth since a couple of days... ;-(
13:25 < daja77> ah ic, well it would be a waste of time to upload an untested iso somewhere else
13:26 < george> daja77: I'll tell you ASAP if it works.
13:26 < daja77> ok
13:26 < rxr> == 05/21/03 13:26:45 =[9]=> Finished building package openh323.
13:27 < daja77> hi rxr
13:27 < rxr> hi daja77
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13:36 < daja77> *argh* this sucks
13:36 < rxr> what ?
13:37 < rxr> Committed revision 337.
13:37 < daja77> the counter part to pkgenable is not pkgdisable for some strange reason
13:38 < rxr>  Functions for working with config/$config/packages
13:38 < rxr> #
13:38 < rxr> #       pkgenable       package-list
13:38 < rxr> #       pkgdisable      package-list
13:38 < daja77> hmm I get a parse error when using pkgdisable
13:39 < rxr> then there is a bug to be fixed (somewhere)
13:39 < rxr> Committed revision 338.
13:39 < rxr> cu in some minutes
13:39 < daja77> ok
13:47 < george> rxr: minicom download location wrong, should be: [D] 3392044057 minicom-2.1.tar.gz http://alioth.debian.org/download.php/123/
13:48 < george> rxr:oh, that's also not true, chksum is wrong.
13:48 < daja77> O_o I could download it his morning, which rev you are using?
13:51 < george> daja77: I checked the hp alioth... and followed the link
13:52 < daja77> I mean which svn revision you checked out?
13:52 < george> 338
13:53 < daja77> hmm strange it worked with rev 327
13:55 < george> no change between 327 and 338
13:55 < daja77> hmm maybe they moved it since the morning
13:57 < george> for v 2.00.0, it is indeed .../download.php/6/ including the .src after version.
13:58 < daja77> well tell rene if he is back
14:10 < george> 165. Check for NULL tObj in the i830 3D driver's TexEnv function.  This
14:10 < george>       fixes a FlightGear crash (Keith Whitwell).
14:10 < george> from xfree86 4.3.99._4_ changelog
14:11 < george> etc.
14:17 < rxr> re
14:18 < rxr> what is the correct link for minicom ?
14:18 < george> [D] 2435954076 minicom-2.1.tar.gz http://alioth.debian.org/download.php/123/
14:19 < george> == 05/21/03 13:58:38 =[5]=> Finished building package minicom.
14:25 * rxr burning -beta3 for test
14:29 < daja77> great this prevents me from wasting cdrs ;)
14:29 < rxr> daja77: don't you use cdrw's ?
14:31 < daja77> no I stopped using them cos they are slower to write, and cdrs are cheap
14:32 < daja77> + some boxes can't boot from cdrw
14:34 < daja77> do I need additional code to make a custom ROCKCFGSET var work
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15:01 < tfing> rxr: does gnomemeeting compile on your reference build too ?
15:09 < rxr> tfing: not yet - now it has an openldap issue
15:09 < tfing> do'h
15:09 < rxr> tfing: but it is trival to fix - just one configure option ...
15:09 < tfing> ok
15:27 < rolla> re
15:29 < rxr> daja77: around ?
15:33 < rolla> rxr how does one change the name of a given config in rock?
15:33 < daja77> re
15:33 < daja77> rxr: I am back
15:34 < rxr> ah hi
15:34 < rxr> what was your last ROCK boot cd doing?
15:34 < daja77> kernel panic: no init found
15:34 < rxr> did you got some output of the linux kernel - or did it reboot after loading the ramdisk
15:34 < rxr> daja77: ah
15:35 < rxr> mine is rebooting after syslinux load the ramdisk :-(
15:35 < daja77> how come some older rock cds were booting fine
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15:35 < daja77> 1.7CVS end of march
15:35 < rxr> maybe some kernel change - or the ramdisk gets too big
15:36 < rxr> daja77: jups - -beta is also just booting fine ...
15:36 < daja77> hmm or it is configured without initrd
15:36 < daja77> hi rolla
15:37 < rolla> re daja77
15:39 < rxr> urghs
15:39 < rxr> for me this is maybe due to this option set in the .config:
15:39 < rxr> CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII=y
15:39 < rxr> and I'm booting on a cmov-less pentium-I-mmx ...
15:39 * rxr investigating ...
15:40 < rolla> rxr do you have a moment to help me out?
15:41 < rxr> rolla: yeah - maybe (depends on where you need help ...)==
15:41 < rolla> I need to have multiconfigs for rock
15:41 < rolla> I have one in the default dir right now but I want it in one called install
15:41 < rolla> what is the right way to move it?
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15:42 < rxr> only the config - or the whole binary output you already produced ?
15:42 < rolla> whole binary output
15:43 < rxr> hm
15:43 < rxr> cd build
15:43 < rolla> okay
15:44 < rxr> mv default-* install-* (needs to stay all the same except the config name in the beginning)
15:44 < rxr> cd config
15:44 < rxr> mv default install
15:44 < tcr> moin all
15:44 < tcr> hey rxr, rolla
15:44 < rxr> and rerun ./scripts/Config -cfg install
15:45 < rxr> (this should work - but maybe there is some other trap somewhere ... - I don't do such moves that often ...)
15:45 < rxr> hi tcr
15:45 < rolla> okay
15:47 < tcr> rxr: You shouldn't use pathname expansion for checking whether a variable contains a certain string (talking about the openh323): It's quite ressource intensive. Instead use either the ${//} parameter substitution or the ${#} (${%} respectively) substiution
15:48 < rxr> tcr: well - my cleanup is already quite a huge resource saving ...
15:48 < rxr> tcr: but you could send a patch with further cleanups (tested please ...)
15:49 < tcr> if [ "${xsrctar#pwlib}" != "$xsrctar" ]; then ...; fi
15:49 < tcr> for example
15:50 < rxr> and you are sure this is less resouce intensive? (aside from less readable ... ;-)
15:50 < rolla> bash-2.05b# ./scripts/Create-ISO rock-2.0-joel install desktop
15:50 < rolla>   [08:48:52 AM] Removing old files with same prefix ..
15:50 < rolla>   [08:48:52 AM] Reading configs and creating ISO index ...
15:50 < rolla> No such file or directory: build/default-2.0.0-beta3-x86-k6-3-desktop-expert/packages.db
15:51 < rolla> I cannot find anything looking for this file :(
15:52 < rxr> rolla: ah yes - the CD-index files include old pathnames
15:52 < rxr> rolla: you need to rerun the Build-Target -cfg install - in order to recreate the final cd creation stuff.
15:52 < tcr> rxr: Sure, just think ;)... pathname expansion is quite complex and complicated (==much code), and is based uppon globbing (or in other words: you can't do pathname expansion without switching to kernelspace -- for some filesystem things), whereas ${//} or ${#} can be (and certainly are) implemented completely in userspace by simply iterariting through some string
15:52 < rxr> but wait a second
15:53 < rxr> you did not need to rename it to install in order to create a CD
15:53 < rxr> this could have been done with:
15:53 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-CD name default desktop
15:53 < rxr> as written in many docs no config means the name "default" ...
15:54 < daja77> rxr: btw I compiled bootdisk target without any optimization
15:54 < tcr> rxr: I think that kind of cleanup can wait for the next dev branch. Just wanted to inform you, because the situation is quite appropriate ;)
15:55 < rxr> tcr: the bash does call some stuff to patch some pattern? I'll investigate this later ...
15:55 < tcr> rxr: and yes it's less readable (but that way is common, clifford also uses it on several places).
15:55 < snyke> http://fachschaft.physik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/entdeckungen/60Gigabyte.shtml (for the germans)
15:55 < tcr> rxr: How do you mean?
15:56 * daja77 fighting against Config
15:56 < tcr> rxr: `*pwlib' is proper and normal syntax of pathname expansion, so the shell will use pathname expansion...
16:01 < rxr> [[ expression ]]
16:01 < rxr>               Return  a  status  of  0 or 1 depending on the evaluation of the
16:01 < rxr>               conditional expression expression.  Expressions are composed  of
16:01 < rxr>               the  primaries  described  below  under CONDITIONAL EXPRESSIONS.
16:01 < rxr>               Word splitting and pathname expansion are not performed  on  the
16:01 < rxr>               words  between  the  [[  and  ]]
16:03 < tcr> Yes, I know -- that's why 'test' and [[ ]] are different
16:04 < rxr> so my [[ ]] thing does not have the overhead you mentioned ?
16:04 < tcr> that flippin' quirk cost me damn a lot time once
16:04 < tcr> rxr: Nope, because you _use_ pathname expansion
16:05 < rxr> what do you mean with "that flippin' quirk cost me damn a lot time once"
16:06 < rxr> and doesn't the bash manual say pathname expansion is _not_ are not performed between [[ ]] ?
16:07 < tcr> I had actually thought that the test builtin and [[ ]] are fully equal for a time, till I once used pathanme expansion within [[ ]], and it just didn't work.. I debugged and debugged...
16:07 < tcr> but it couldn't work apparantly
16:08 < rxr> so my [[ ]] pattern matching does _not_ have the pathname expansion overhead ?
16:09 < tcr> rxr: Yes, pathname expansion isn't performed in [[ ]]... But that doesn't matter any thing, because you _use_ pathname expansion (so if you rewrite that in the .conf file, all the commands after 'if' wouldn't ever be evaluated)
16:10 < rolla> == 09:05:03 =[3]=> Building base/termcap [1.3.1 2.0.0-beta3].
16:10 < rolla> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
16:10 < rolla> -> Preparing build in src.termcap.1053525877.25256.1016780376
16:10 < rolla> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/3-termcap.out
16:10 < rolla> !> Calculating package dependencies ...
16:10 < rolla> !> Creating md5sum and cksum files ... done.
16:10 < rolla> !> Creating package description ...
16:10 < rolla> !> Making post-install adoptions.
16:10 < rolla> !> Found shared files with other packages:
16:10 < rolla> !> usr/include/termcap.h: ncurses termcap
16:10 < rolla> !> usr/lib/libtermcap.a: ncurses termcap
16:10 < rolla> -> $root/var/adm/logs/3-termcap.out -> 3-termcap.err
16:10 < rolla> == 05/21/03 09:05:41 =[3]=> Aborted building package termcap.
16:10 < rolla> crap
16:11 < daja77> rolla: why building termcap
16:11 < rxr> tcr: nope!
16:12 < rxr> pattern matching is performed ! So this just works fine (I a) tested this and b) use this quite often ...)
16:13 < rolla> daja77: cause rock wanted it built :P
16:13 < daja77> really I was told termcap package is not needed
16:15 < rxr> ===> Termcap (obsolated by [n]curses)
16:15 < tcr> rxr: Oh... a) didn't see that you're using [[...]], b) didn't know that bash does support that.
16:15 < tcr> rxr: Ok then, you're right with [[...]]
16:16 < rxr> but the termcap is used for the bootdisk ... (I don't now why ...)
16:16 < tcr> Ok, then that isn't an issue for you (but will be one for me, when I'm going to make the rockscripts posix compatible)
16:17 < daja77> rxr: huh, it was not on the bootdisk I created, which failed due not knowing the linux terminal description
16:18 < rxr> tcr: and _please_ do not send one fat patch saying "here are posix compatible scripts" but send one tiny reviewable chunk after the other!
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16:22 < rxr> hm
16:22 < rxr> oot@jackson:/home/rock-linux/rock-trunk/architecture/x86# svn log kernel.conf.m4
16:22 < rxr> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
16:22 < rxr> rev 91:  rene | 2003-05-03 14:00:36 +0200 (Sat, 03 May 2003) | 2 lines
16:22 < rxr> still merge with cliff ...
16:23 < rxr> ^- seems to be the cause for the linux config defect ...
16:23 < daja77> rxr: please tell me more about termcap and bootdisk
16:24 < rxr> daja77: what more? It is used (why I don't know - maybe cliff decided it is smaller ...) - and it is build and worked for me ... ;-)
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16:25 < showGUN> hi all
16:25 < rxr> sorry - but I'm currently fixing this damn kernel config issue ...
16:25 < rxr> hi showGUN
16:25 < daja77> rxr: cos it was not in bootdisk when I tried, but maybe it is better that way
16:25 < daja77> hi showGUN
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16:26 < showGUN> what package makes /usr/include/linux/byteorder/ and /usr/include/asm/byteorder.h??
16:26 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/linux24-header:linux24-header: usr/include/asm/byteorder.h
16:27 < rxr> -> linux-header
16:27 < showGUN> tnx so
16:28 < showGUN> it bugz me i think the whole sound stuff
16:31 < showGUN> byz
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16:51 < daja77> /scripts/Build-Pkg: line 38: /R.work/package/*/*/schrollkeeper.conf: No such file or directory
16:51 < daja77> O_o
16:51 < daja77> I get this for all the gnome packages
16:51 < rxr> daja77: fix
16:51 < rxr> +ed
16:52 < rxr> already
16:52 < daja77> oh yeah I build rev 327, sorry
16:52 < rxr> (-h in theat line - not sch ;-)
16:52 < rxr> (this damn time was only some minutes present in the tree ...)
16:52 < daja77> should I upgrade
16:53 < rxr> oeh - yes
16:53 < daja77> ok
16:53 * daja77 gets mad with the config script
16:55 < rolla> hmm
16:55 < rolla> I updated from cvs and now more packages are broken than before
16:55 < rolla> I thought we where heading forward not backwards
16:56 < daja77> cvs?
16:56 < rxr> rolla: take svn
16:56 < rxr> cliffs devel tree is currently 1/2 up to 1 week behind ...
16:57 < rxr> and the gcc-3.2.3 seems to have some code generation corner cases that kde seems to hit without optimization
16:57 < rxr> so a x86 generic build seems to generate failing KDE packages where my pentium-mmx builds quite fine ...
16:57 < rolla> rxr I don't like the fact that I have to upgrade apache just to isntall svn
16:58 < daja77> rolla: you don't have to
16:58 < daja77> ah damn gnome package didn't get rescheduled, have to restart all, fsck
16:59 < rolla> daja77: everytime i go to build it it complains that I don't have a new enough apache
16:59 < daja77> rolla: yeah the svn configure script sucks
17:00 < daja77> is there a simple way to say, i only want the client parts to build
17:00 < rolla> ah
17:00 < rolla> what is the commandline name of it svn?
17:00 < daja77> errh yes
17:01 < rolla> daja77: what is the configure line that I need?
17:03 < daja77> rolla: I don't know, I build it on a machine that had no apache at all
17:04 < rxr> rolla: subversion.tigris.com or so
17:05 < rxr> http://subversion.tigris.org/
17:05 < daja77> rxr: ?
17:05 < rxr> rolla: nope - you can build subversin without apache manually
17:06 < daja77> yes but it sucks
17:06 < rxr> daja77: what sucks ?
17:06 < daja77> that there is no --disable-server switch or something like that
17:07 < rolla> :)
17:08 < rolla> daja77: I think I got it building now
17:08 < daja77> rolla: how?
17:08 < rolla> so once it is done then we can try to use svn
17:08 < rolla> daja77: black magic
17:09 < daja77> *hmpf*
17:09 < tcr> removing apache from path?
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17:11 < daja77> strange not a single spam mail today *wonders*
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17:12 < daja77> hi jose
17:12 < daja77> wb ringo78
17:12 < jose> Hello daja77
17:12 < rolla> tcr somethign like that
17:15 < ringo78> yups
17:17 < n00kie_> re
17:18 < daja77> hi n00kie_
17:23 < george> cu 2n8
17:23 < rxr> "rev 90" broke the linux config
17:24 < rxr> text "merge with cliff + some minor changes
17:24 < rxr> "
17:24 < n00kie_> Hi daja77
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17:26 < rolla> rxr what is the svn line to get new code?
17:26 < rxr> rolla: do you have an initial checkout ?
17:27 * rxr phonign
17:28 < daja77> rolla: see /topic
17:29 < rolla> danke
17:29 < daja77> :)
17:32 < rolla> cool now it works
17:32 < rolla> rxr are you updating this tree more often than cvs?
17:37 < daja77> hmm /me downloading kde stuff
17:40 < rxr> rolla: i have no cvs write access to cvs ..
18:08 * daja77 puzzled
18:09 < daja77> if i say package enable it should be enabled in packages or packages.txt right?
18:10 < daja77> I mean pkgenable
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18:18 < kasc> moin
18:19 < daja77> hi kasc
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18:20 < kasc> so, noch etwas Hückeln und dann zum Training...
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18:42 < rxr> re
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18:46 < rxr> daja77: still heree ?
19:01 < rxr> Committed revision 342.
19:04 < rolla> rxr what is the best way to do a svn update?
19:04 < rxr> rolla: do you have an inital checkout ?
19:05 < rxr> if yes do "svn up" in the tree
19:05 < rxr> if not first check it out (see ML or the rock20 stable page)
19:05 * rxr away cu in 50 minutes ...
19:05 < rolla> rxr yeah I have and inital
19:09 < daja77> rxr: sorry I was away
19:09 < daja77> rolla: the do an svn up
19:10 < rolla> daja77: I just cecked it out 30min ago I don't think I need to do an up ;)
19:10 < daja77> ok
19:11 < rolla> cool I get to install my new ISO on my machine :) joy
19:13 < daja77> good luck rolla, had no luck with my installs
19:15 < rolla> ?
19:15 < rolla> the box I am installing on is 1.7 already :)
19:15 < daja77> have fun
19:16 < rolla> :) iut will have to wait till I get home
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19:21 < mnemoc_> svn: REPORT of '/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk': timed out waiting for server :'(
19:22 < daja77> ups is rene's box down?
19:22 * daja77 off to party
19:22 < daja77> cu
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19:28 < blindcoder> fuck... that disk is really fubar
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19:45 < esden> hehe .. hi all
19:45 * -> esden sits in his car in front of his uni ;-)
19:45 < esden> I love wlan!!
19:45 < esden> that is sooo cool!
19:46 < tcr> Moin esden
19:46 < rolla> esden: you suck
19:46 < tcr> Hm.. but you aren't driving atm, are you?
19:46 < rolla> will O emacs* get rid of all emacs from my rock build
19:49 < esden> moin tcr, rolla 
19:49 < esden> rolla: why do I suck?
19:50 < blindcoder> hi esden
19:51 < blindcoder> esden: weren't you supposed to be in IN today?
19:51 < rolla> cause you have wlan :P
19:52 < esden> blindcoder: argl .... I knew that I forgot something ...
19:53 < esden> short before I was leaving ingolstadt I thought that I have to come by your house and leave the cd's ... but I forgot it afterwords
19:53 < esden> sorry 
19:53 < esden> I will be in IN ... on saturday at 13:00 or so ... 
19:53 < esden> and I will bring it over to your place then
19:53 < blindcoder> hrm... when are you home tomorrow?
19:54 < blindcoder> esden: don't you have exam Saturday?
19:54 < esden> is it ok?
19:55 < blindcoder> esden: sure it'd be okay... but what about your exam?
19:55 < blindcoder> you mentioned you couldn't attend dance-lessons...
19:55 < esden> blindcoder: yes I have but at 10 to 12 o'clock
19:55 < esden> I can not attend because I have confirmation stuff to do during that time
19:55 < blindcoder> hmm... don't rush yourself
19:55 < blindcoder> I can come round to you tomorrow if you tell me when you're home and awake
19:56 < esden> blindcoder: that is also a solution ... but do it befor 21:00 o'clock because afterwords I am off to the cinema ... watching matrix reloaded *muahaha* ;-)
19:57 < esden> ok ... I leave home ... cu l8er ...
19:57 < blindcoder> mom
19:57 < esden> ?
19:57 < blindcoder> esden: tell me WHEN from-to you're at home
19:57 < blindcoder> I could come round between 14:00 and 15:00 if you're there
19:57 < blindcoder> a "before 21:00" is quite vague
19:58 < esden> 15 is to early .. I should still be at uni at that time ...
19:58 < blindcoder> rm... then we'll have to rely on Saturday
19:58 < blindcoder> I might not be at home
19:58 < esden> but I will be online because I have wlan now so I can be online during lectures ;-)
19:58 < blindcoder> just put it in the "Garage"
19:59 < esden> ok will do
19:59 < esden> cu l8er
19:59 < blindcoder> baba
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20:12 < Mike1> hi Lorini___
20:12 < Lorini> hey i dont have ___ .. do i?
20:13 < Mike1> Lorini___ no you don't
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20:13 < Mike1> 0_o
20:14 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
20:14 < Mike1> hi blindy
20:15 -!- Lorini [Lorini@p3EE218D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:15 < Mike1> Welcome back Lorini
20:15 < Lorini> re
20:16 < Mike1> :))
20:16 < Lorini> :)
20:16 < blindcoder> wb Lorini
20:17 < Mike1> blindy wie geht's?
20:19 < esden> re
20:19 < Mike1> welcome back esdy
20:19 < blindcoder> Mike1: half-half, thanks. and you?
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20:20 < Mike1> i am good blindy
20:23 * -> esden hungry
20:24 < Mike1> eat.
20:24 * Lorini too
20:24 < Lorini> but... there is nothing left to eat :)
20:24 * blindcoder not hungry... just _wants_ to eat >_<
20:25 * -> esden reaches his hand over to Lorini 
20:25 < blindcoder> Soryou ATE IT ALL ALONE? tsktsktsk
20:26 < Lorini> mmmh a hand.. food..
20:27 < rolla> re Mike1
20:27 < Mike1> hi rolla!
20:27 < Mike1> rolla: i rebooted dysk last n8
20:27 < Mike1> and couldn't have access back..
20:27 < blindcoder> is svn down?
20:27 < Mike1> blindcoder: do not think so, testing..
20:28 < blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~/DEVELOPMENT$ svn co http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/
20:28 < blindcoder> svn: RA layer request failed
20:28 < blindcoder> svn: The path was not part of a repository
20:28 < blindcoder> svn: PROPFIND of /: 405 Method Not Allowed
20:28 < Mike1> mmm...
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20:48 < netrunner> what does scripts/Create-ISO mean with -boot option? They are not mentioned in the Doku...
20:48 < netrunner> good morning btw :)
20:48 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M367P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
20:48 < netrunner> hi n00kie
20:53 < rolla> re n00kie
20:53 < netrunner> rolla: so what are your suggested options to scritps/Create-ISO? for a bootable cd
20:54 < n00kie> hi netrunner, re rolla :)
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20:57 < rolla> netrunner: ?
20:58 < rolla> you want to know how I made a bootable cd?
20:58 < netrunner> rolla: yes, because the options seem weird
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20:59 < netrunner> rolla: Documentation/BUILD says, just put bootdisk as first target in the list. scripts/Create-ISO complains about a missing -boot parameter.
20:59 < rolla> ./scripts/Create-ISO <what you want the iso called> <your config name of bootdisk> <config name of your build>
20:59 < rolla> netrunner: you have to run another build that is the boot disk
21:00 < netrunner> rolla: yes, I have that.
21:00 < rolla> okay then you gave it another config name?
21:00 < rolla> sorry meeting I must go
21:00 < rolla> Mike1: can help unless you can wait till I am back
21:01 < _NULL_> re
21:02 < netrunner> rolla: thx so far
21:02 < netrunner> hi _NULL_
21:02 < _NULL_> hi netrunner
21:04 < blindcoder> moin nully
21:05 < rxr> re
21:05 < Mike1> hi rxr
21:05 < rxr> hi Mike1
21:06 < _NULL_> hi blindy
21:07 < zer0_o> hi all
21:08 < Mike1> 0
21:08 < Mike1> 0_o
21:08 < _NULL_> hi zer0_o
21:09 < netrunner> ah he seems to do it.
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21:21 < Mike1> rolla: don't you want to go home soon? i really want to start a build on the alpha :) *vbeg*
21:22 < zer0_o> gentoo file browser seems to be pretty nice .. =)
21:22 < dreamind> HI :)
21:23 < Mike1> hi dreamind
21:23 < dreamind> hi Mike1
21:23 * tcr eating
21:28 * netrunner frying bananas && burning rocks
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21:37 < netrunner> rxr, rxr_: talking about cloning you ... ;)
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21:38 < showGUN> hi all
21:40 < showGUN> where can i edit the keymap<
21:40 < showGUN> ?
21:44 < _NULL_> showGUN: what do you understand under "edit the keymap"?
21:46 < esden> showGUN: which one ... the one for console or x?
21:46 * blindcoder off to bed. gn8
21:46 < esden> n8 blindcoder 
21:46 < blindcoder> esden: btw.: I still get 48 EUR from you
21:47 < _NULL_> gn8 blindcoder
21:47 < daja77> re
21:48 < showGUN> console
21:48 < showGUN> to choose
21:48 < showGUN> the hungarian latin 102
21:48 < showGUN> zou know the z and the y
21:49 < _NULL_> . /etc/setup.d/ << there is a generic or so afaik... where you can set your keyboard layout...
21:49 < showGUN> ok
21:49 < showGUN> opp
21:49 < showGUN> i have no setup.d
21:49 < showGUN> in /etc
21:50 < rolla> Mike1: I have to work you know ;)
21:50 < _NULL_> or 'loadkeys /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/ ...
21:50 < showGUN> ok
21:52 < netrunner> hm ... aren't the boot-cds supposed to boot - and not to not find init?
21:52 < rolla> who here is using the svn tree?
21:52 * netrunner lifts hand
21:53 < showGUN> szntax error in map file
21:53 < daja77> rolla: me me me
21:53 < showGUN> :(
21:53 < rolla> I tried to set my download-mirror to none and the download script freaked
21:53 < _NULL_> showGUN: huh? which one did you use?
21:53 < daja77> rolla: ?
21:53 < rolla> how do I get it to not use a mirror
21:53 < rxr_> damn
21:53 -!- rxr_ is now known as rxr
21:53 < rolla> Downloading download/base/mkdosfs/mkdosfs-0.4.1.tar.gz ...
21:53 < rolla> Finished downloading 0 bytes in 0.000 seconds (0.000 bytes/sec).
21:53 < rolla> curl: (1) Unsupported protocol: none
21:53 < rolla> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 1. Please read the curl manpage.
21:54 < daja77> rolla: echo "none" > src/Download-Mirror
21:54 < rolla> did that
21:54 < rolla> got the above error
21:54 < showGUN> /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/ISO-8859-2.gz but i also tried .../i18n/locales/hu_HU
21:54 < netrunner> rolla: removed src/Download-Mirror ?
21:54 < rxr> so now my CDs boot
21:54 < daja77> rolla: plz check you Download-Mirror file
21:54 < _NULL_> charmaps?
21:55 < daja77> rxr: great, what was the problem
21:55 < netrunner> rxr: mine do not, what did you pass as init= ?
21:55 < _NULL_> keymaps... or kbd/keymaps
21:55 < rxr> daja77: for me only the kernel build ...
21:55 < daja77> netrunner: you have that init error too, nice
21:55 < rolla> daja77: I have it now seems to be working
21:55 < rxr> daja77: as I already wrote it was overoptimized for pentium-III inestead of my selected pentium-mmx
21:55 < showGUN> ok
21:55 < daja77> rxr: I do not optimize bootdisk target
21:55 < showGUN> _NULL_: thanx, i didnt see it
21:56 < _NULL_> showGUN: works now?
21:56 < rxr> daja77: it was a general bug - even with no optimization selected pentium-III would have been used
21:56 < daja77> ooops, fixed in what rev? *g*
21:57 < netrunner> rxr: so without the correct optimization you also had the init error or a diffrent one?
21:57 < rxr> netrunner: which init error ?
21:58 < netrunner> rxr: kernel panic, no init found, try passing init= ... or similar
21:58 < showGUN> _NULL_: fine, it's really cool
21:58 < daja77> rxr: the same thing that happened to me
21:58 < _NULL_> showGUN: k.
21:58 < rxr> netrunner: nope never got this
21:58 < rxr> daja77: hm - maybe error during the install-disk build? maybe the dietlibc stuff bailed on an error ?
21:58 < netrunner> rxr: so there's something else wrong here. daja got the same I guess.
21:59 < daja77> rxr: I haven't noticed any errors during build
22:00 < rxr> daja77: 342 (I guess)
22:00 < netrunner> rxr: ah - I remember 2 errors from dietlibc, ...
22:00 < daja77> rxr: ok, now building 340 *grml*
22:02 < rxr> 341 includes the fix:
22:02 < rxr> reverted revision 89:91 since the kernel.conf convertion to m4 broke
22:02 < rxr> the generation and is not easily correctable in m4 ...
22:02 < rxr> (as discussed with Clifford via phone ... ;-)
22:02 < rxr> but we have a new damn fscking problem
22:02 < daja77> *argh* this sucks
22:03 < rxr> the Create-ISO scripts will spread all files over the CDs
22:03 < daja77> all files?
22:03 < rxr> even outdated .gem files - due to the updates I have various files with two version numbers
22:03 < rxr> like kde-3.1.1a and kde-3.1.2 and so on ...
22:04 < rxr> and so 3 (!!) CDs are filled with some outdated files ...
22:04 < daja77> shouldn't be a problem for me
22:05 < showGUN> byz
22:05 < rxr> daja77: but for me ...
22:05 -!- showGUN [~showgun@3e44a4ac.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Nintendo Gameboy today!")
22:05 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-ls-10-1-dialup-25.freesurf.ch] has quit ("Client exiting")
22:05 < daja77> my problem is that I promised to give someone an installed rock box, and I couldn't get it work, cos every build was in a way broken, so I couldn't keep my promise
22:06 < daja77> :(
22:06 < rxr> daja77: why haven't you simply gave him/her the -beta ?
22:06 < rxr> or if this was imporant ask to fix just this one thing ...
22:07 < daja77> rxr: it were diffent things, and I couldn't really track down the errors
22:11 < rxr> 1hm
22:11 < rxr>  :-(
22:11 < rxr> does this cause big problems now ?
22:13 < daja77> rxr: can't tell I'll wait for this build to finish, or let's say for the rev 342 build to finish before trying again
22:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@p50813597.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all")
22:19 < Mike1> == 04:09:21 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-beta3].
22:19 < Mike1> == 12:25:47 =[5]=> Building x11/mozilla [1.3 2.0.0-beta3].
22:19 < daja77> ah hi Mike1
22:19 < Mike1> == 03:49:46 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.21-rc2 2.0.0-beta3].
22:19 < Mike1> hi daja77
22:21 < daja77> ok got rev 342 now, this should produce usable isos, right?
22:23 < rxr> "at least I only have this duplicate files problem - which will be fixed in 5 minutes ..."
22:23 < rxr> for me it is bootable
22:23 < daja77> duplicate files, which package
22:26 < daja77> duplicate files, which package _still_ have code red shit on their boxes
22:26 * daja77 likes to kill the lusers that have _still_ have code red shit on their boxes
22:26 < daja77> *argh* what was that
22:27 < rxr> daja77: ?
22:27 < daja77> well my apache gets code red and other windows worm attacks all the time
22:31 < rxr> daja77: ah - I guess mine get, too
22:32 * daja77 votes that code red is lethal to windows lusers
22:33 < rxr> kde-i18n-de31-3.1.1 should not be present ...
22:33 < rxr> ^- Thanks my just updated generic/build.sh my friend ;-)
22:34 < daja77> rxr: ????
22:36 < rxr> Just updated the build.sh to recognize files that should not be present ;-)
22:36 < daja77> ahem rxr, should I wait for the next revision...
22:37 < rxr> only if you do a rebuild with updated packages
22:37 < daja77> I do, I do, you know
22:37 < rxr> but the modification is only running at the end of the build - so you can safely build now and run the Build-Target again later - which then will create a list of files to be removed
22:38 < rxr> (I'm not rm'ing them yet - since maybe the script has a typo or corner-case which ten removes fully valid files ...
22:38 < rxr> so for now you get a list - and when we now this works they will be automatically cleaned up)
22:38 < rxr> ok ?
22:40 < daja77> yeah think so, maybe I write a script to cleanup download dir, this would make incremental downloads easier
22:43 < rxr> daja77: err daja77  ;-)
22:43 < rxr> ./scripts/Download -list-unkown ;-)
22:43 < daja77> which does what
22:43 < rxr> simply pipe this thru a cut and an xargs rm -v ;-)
22:43 < rxr> daja77: list the "unknown" files in your download dir
22:43 < daja77> aha hmm should try this...
22:46 < rxr> isn't this what you meant above ?
22:46 < rxr> AH! looks much better now - only 2 CDs ;-) (instead of 3 with some crap ...)
22:47 < daja77> rxr: dunno haven't done such cut and xargs stuff before
22:47 < _NULL_> someone knows "must be connected to a terminal" when trying to run screen as unprevileged user?
22:49 < rxr> _NULL_: nope - sorry
22:49 < daja77> _NULL_: maybe you wanna join #screen
22:50 < rxr> <SARCASM> In ROCK this just works </SARCASM>
22:50 < daja77> *roftlmao*
22:50 < esden> argh ... how do I get the optical digital output running in my sb live ... *grml*
22:50 < _NULL_> rxr: :p
22:50 < esden> alsa is too sofisticated for me >_<
22:50 < daja77> hi esden
22:51 < esden> re hi all ...
22:51 < daja77> *lol*
22:51 < daja77> alsa is easy
22:51 < Mike1> :)
22:51 < _NULL_> rxr: but in rock screen is set SGID root --> security risk :pppp
22:51 < Mike1> esden: is lazy
22:51 * netrunner has an idea for his first package
22:51 < rxr> daja77: ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | xargs rm -v
22:52 < daja77> oh thx
22:52 < esden> _NULL_: that is why under debian you can choose if you want to install screen +s or not in a postinstall script
22:52 < esden> the problem is that we do not have postinstall scripts under rock ...
22:52 < _NULL_> hmm...
22:52 * Mike1 wonders since when _NULL_ is into security...
22:52 < _NULL_> Mike1: *g*
22:52 < _NULL_> (don't mind)
22:53 < Mike1> k :)
22:53 < esden> perhups we need a stone module for screen *GG*
22:53 * netrunner is playing nInvaders in a remote screen
22:53 < Mike1> yet another stone module..
22:53 < _NULL_> a stoned screen... O_o
22:53 < esden> ROFL
22:53 < daja77> a stoned _NULL_ ...
22:54 < _NULL_> daja77: nah. impossible
22:54 * daja77 puts drugs into _NULL_'s tea
22:54 < _NULL_> daja77: too late. the tea is already drunken :)
22:55 * daja77 makes new tea for _NULL_ 
22:55 * _NULL_ doesn't drink the tea, daja77 gives her
22:55 < daja77> *sniff*
22:55 < _NULL_> bad luck, daja77 *hrhr*
22:56 * netrunner is not drunken. :/
22:56 < daja77> netrunner: who cares *yawn*
22:56 < netrunner> daja77: *kick*
22:56 < Mike1> esden: looks like netrunner, daja77 and _NULL_ are ready to give us some entertainment, just in time
22:56 < _NULL_> netrunner: tstststs... it's better to be not drunken ;p
22:57 < netrunner> _NULL_: but your tea is.
22:57 < netrunner> _NULL_: so your tea has more rights than me? :(
22:57 < _NULL_> netrunner: sure. it's a tea. not a man :p
22:57 < netrunner> _NULL_: or it is not well educated.
22:57 * daja77 hits netrunner with baseball bat
22:57 * netrunner thinks about 10 reasons why tea is better than women
22:58 < _NULL_> *vbeg*
22:58 < esden> Mike1: ack ;-)
22:58 < daja77> netrunner: hehe only know this discussion between beer and women
22:58 < rxr> Wow people with BeOS visited gsmp.tfh-berlin.de ;-)
22:58 < netrunner> daja77: yeah - well, as you heard I am not allowed to drink :)
22:58 < daja77> beos still alive...
22:58 < esden> lool ... since when are women talking to beer?
22:59 < daja77> netrunner: why
22:59 < netrunner> daja77: _NULL_ said so ...
22:59 < daja77> esden: nom 10 reason why beer is better than women
22:59 < daja77> netrunner: wimp, don't listen to her
22:59 * _NULL_ kicks daja77 
22:59 < netrunner> esden: it's a comparison. other side is 10 reasons why cucumber is better than man
23:00 * netrunner kicks _NULL_
23:00 < daja77> netrunner: yeah
23:00 < netrunner> _NULL_: leave him, he's my friend!
23:00 < _NULL_> netrunner: eh! that's not friendly!
23:00 < _NULL_> friends share the sorrow - /me kicks netrunner and daja77 :p
23:00 * daja77 gives a beer to netrunner 
23:00 * netrunner loads nailgun with old rusty nails
23:01 * netrunner sits back opening daja's beer
23:01 < netrunner> daja77: thx!
23:01 < daja77> netrunner: np we men must stand together ;)
23:02 < rolla> esden: how did it go with that girl down the hall
23:02 < rxr> is this a joke? People search in the inet with keywords like "wet clothes gallery" ?????
23:02 < rxr> (from the log of my server ...)
23:02 < daja77> *lol*
23:02 < netrunner> rxr: you never did so?
23:02 * netrunner silently clears his favourites
23:02 < daja77> rxr: any teen pics on your server ... just kidding
23:03 < rxr> no  - but Ireland photos where we might cicle thru the rain ...
23:03 < daja77> hehe cool, where
23:03 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/ireland/gallery.html
23:03 < esden> rolla: from hell???
23:04 < esden> o_O
23:04 < esden> you mean that windows girl?
23:04 < daja77> seems so
23:04 < rxr> for other stuff:
23:04 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/index.html
23:05 < rolla> yeah
23:05 < rxr> (hm but I wonder why my galleries have such a background ...
23:05 < rolla> what happened?
23:05 < rxr> )
23:06 < esden> rolla: nothing? ... I gave her the disks and that was it
23:06 < daja77> nice fotos
23:06 < daja77> esden:  couldn't you lie a bit, and tell us a fantastic story
23:06 < rolla> :(
23:07 < rxr> daja77: an empty sony both at cebit here:
23:07 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/cebit-2002/gallery.html
23:07 < daja77> rxr: *lol* you pissing in the scenery
23:08 < esden> daja77: what kind of story?
23:08 < esden> o_O
23:08 < rxr> ah here - Lara Croft actres here:
23:08 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/photos/gallery.html
23:09 < _NULL_> re
23:09 < daja77> esden: erotic, *ggg*
23:09 < Mike1> re security girl
23:09 < _NULL_> Mike1: bllll
23:09 * daja77 grabs another beer
23:10 < esden> daja77: lool ... that would not be so good I think
23:10 < netrunner> esden: [X] send pix :)
23:10 < _NULL_> daja77: tsss
23:11 < praenti> hi
23:11 < daja77> hi praenti
23:11 < _NULL_> hi praenti
23:11 < daja77> rxr: I liked the expo and the palace you photographed
23:13 < praenti> esden: here?
23:13 < esden> praenti: yes
23:13 < esden> netrunner: :P
23:14 < praenti> esden: can you change to your query with me?
23:14 < rxr> argh!!! Why does I miss some .gem files
23:14 < rxr> I get mad
23:14 < daja77> ah query with esden nice idea
23:14 < netrunner> rxr: to much find xargs rm -v  ?
23:15 < daja77> rxr: maybe you just need sleep *gg*
23:15 < rxr> hehe
23:15 < rxr> daja77: nice that you like my photos ;-)
23:15 < rxr> (all scanned with my scanner driver ;-) SANE/Avision
23:16 < daja77> yeah even if you don't have teens *ggg*
23:16 < rxr> the URL is:
23:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/avision/
23:16 < rxr> daja77: there are some departed hardware photos, too
23:16 < rxr> and of course the cooles hardware hack here:
23:16 < daja77> rxr: okis, but I have a canon scanner which needs the mustek backend
23:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/buggy/gallery.html
23:17 * daja77 needs some more photos he made on the net
23:17 < daja77> *lol*
23:19 * praenti going to bed. gn8
23:19 < rxr> cu praenti
23:19 < daja77> gn8 praenti
23:21 < daja77> hehehe http://www.andreas.org/images/nmap-matrix2log.jpg
23:21 < daja77> hacking the matrix with nmap, yeah
23:24 * netrunner -> bed. n8*
23:25 < daja77> n8 netrunner
23:25 < rxr> daja77: the thing above could be classifed as "my farthers kind of hardware hacking ..."
23:25 < rxr> *g*
23:26 < daja77> ahem sorry if I ask you that, is there a reason why you write farther so often *gg*
23:27 < rxr> yes - fixed too many ROCK Linux bugs ?
23:27 < daja77> hehe ;)
23:28 < rxr> damn I think I'll not push -beta3 out this night ....
23:28 < daja77> _NULL_: could please act as the chan mummie and send rxr to bed
23:29 < _NULL_> daja77: nope
23:29 < daja77> _NULL_: oh come on, you'd even get a cookie for it
23:29 < _NULL_> daja77: yeah. a poisened cookie ...
23:29 < daja77> nah, nevr
23:30 < daja77> never
23:30 < _NULL_> thx. i almost got a poisoned tea... i won't forget this until i'm dead :p
23:31 < daja77> _NULL_: not poisened, only with drug, I didn't want you dead, just stoned (what else in the rock channel)
23:33 < _NULL_> daja77: or stoned :)
23:33 < rxr> daja77: why do you wanna get me into bed?
23:34 < daja77> rxr: that I can get some sleep without the nightmare of rev 380 tomorrow *ggg*
23:34 < _NULL_> daja77: you're evil
23:35 < daja77> _NULL_: thx
23:35 < _NULL_> daja77: you're welcome
23:36 < daja77> :)
23:36 < rxr> daja77: you 'll get 343 in some minutes
23:36 < rxr> but only a target/generic/build.sh improvement
23:36 < daja77> sure :)
23:36 < rxr> you can change to it on the file
23:36 < rxr> s/file/fly/
23:37 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD95886BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:37 < tsa> hi all
23:37 < _NULL_> hi tsa
23:37 < daja77> hi tsa
23:37 < daja77> hehe eher
23:37 < _NULL_> nee... ich!
23:37 < daja77> nope
23:37 < _NULL_> daja77:
23:37 < _NULL_> 23:37 < _NULL_> hi tsa
23:37 < _NULL_> 23:37 < daja77> hi tsa
23:38 < daja77> it is vice versa here
23:38 < _NULL_> hmm...
23:38 < rxr> I have:
23:38 < rxr> 23:40 < _NULL_> hi tsa
23:38 < rxr> 23:40 < daja77> hi tsa
23:38 < tsa> rxr: ping?
23:38 < rxr> hi tsa
23:38 < daja77> rxr: :p
23:39 < _NULL_> rxr: thx ;)
23:39 < tsa> rxr: do you accept patches via irc? ;)
23:40 < rxr> tsa: hm - "zur Not" - what do you have ?
23:40 < Mike1> tsa: he only take < 1mb patches on irc
23:40 < Mike1> *vbeg*
23:40 < rxr> be warned /me never used dcc
23:40 < tsa> --- rock-trunk/package/base/net-snmp.old/net-snmp.desc  2003-05-21 23:39:56.000000000 +0200
23:40 < tsa> +++ rock-trunk/package/base/net-snmp/net-snmp.desc      2003-05-21 23:37:57.000000000 +0200
23:40 < tsa> @@ -36,8 +36,7 @@
23:40 < tsa>  [L] OpenSource
23:40 < tsa>  [S] Stable
23:40 < tsa> -[V] 4.2.6
23:41 < tsa> +[V] 5.0.8
23:41 < tsa>  [P] X -----5---9 643.000
23:41 < tsa> -[D] 1087442279 ucd-snmp-4.2.6.tar.gz http://download.sourceforge.net/net-snmp/
23:41 < tsa> -
23:41 < tsa> +[D] 2773261030 net-snmp-5.0.8.tar.gz http://download.sourceforge.net/net-snmp/
23:41 < Mike1> arrggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:41 < tsa> *G*
23:41 < rxr> tsa: yes I accept this via IRC ;-)
23:41 < tsa> rxr: ok ;)
23:41 < daja77> Mike1: hehe you like it *ggg*
23:41 < tsa> ..i wonder how package maintainers even miss major releases of their packages..
23:42 < rxr> tsa: maybe those do not have the time do surf the net the whole day ?
23:42 * Mike1 hits daja77
23:43 < rxr> tsa: But I'll apply this after I tagged -beta3 (which is hopefull in some minutes ...)
23:43 < rxr> or
23:43 < tsa> rxr: the patch in base/net-snmp can be removed, then - won't send a patch via irc, Mike1 will kill me. ;)
23:43 * daja77 pets Mike1 
23:43 < rxr> hm - I need to rebuild two packages anyway - do I apply this before -beta3 *wondering*
23:44 < Mike1> tsa: you can use /query or /dcc for this things you know..
23:44 < Mike1> :)
23:44 < tsa> Mike1: i need a better place in the stats..
23:44 < tsa> (just kidding)
23:45 < Mike1> tsa: grrr..
23:45 * daja77 floods Mike1 
23:45 < tsa> rxr: package/base/scapi.patch, that is..
23:45 < tsa> Mike1: what do you think a about a channel #rock-patches? ;)
23:46 < rxr> tsa: I'll kill you for that !
23:46 < tsa> hehehe
23:46 < daja77> tsa: you could use #flood for this
23:46 < rxr> btw. on phone Cliff agreed on new mailing lists - so we'll have them soon
23:46 < tsa> we'd be the first ones to distribute our sources via irc, then.. *G*
23:46 < rxr> tsa: Committed revision 343.
23:46 < Mike1> tsa: i could imagine something like that
23:48 < rxr> daja77: Committed revision 344.
23:48 < rxr> ^- fixed generic/build.sh
23:48 < daja77> la la la...
23:49 * daja77 listening to music not to rxr *gg*
23:50 < daja77> rxr: remember my bet with blindcoder ...
23:52 < tsa> hm..sourceforge.net ads are pretty funny, sometimes..
23:52 < rxr> daja77: yeah - which count was this for 2.0.0 final ?
23:52 < tsa> "buy viagra online" ...
23:53 < daja77> rxr: rev 400 ;)
23:53 < rxr> daja77: why did you bet such a low count ?
23:53 < rxr> I like the new build.sh:
23:54 < daja77> to give you some motivation *ggg*
23:54 < rxr> Finishing build.
23:54 < rxr> -> Searching for missing binary packages ...
23:54 < rxr> net-snmp-5.0.8 binary package is missing!
23:55 < tsa> huh?
23:55 < tsa> (i built the package here about 20 minutes ago..)
23:55 < rxr> tsa: after the build is finished - and the CD information is created
23:55 < rxr> this jsut indicates that I have a valid build log and an old .gem file
23:55 < tsa> ah..
23:56 < rxr> this check enshures valid isos - not like currently where you would have e.g. bash-1.2.3.gem and bash-1.2.4.gem on the CD when you restarted the build with a new version - or might miss .gem files. You would first notice in gas_gui and need to reburn cdrw's or restart vmware ...
23:57 < tsa> ah...nice
23:57 < rxr> the code is in rev 344
23:57 < tsa> ok
23:58 < tsa> btw...is there something like "svn -showrevision" ?
23:58 < tsa> (the one on disk, not the one on server.)
23:58 < tfing> i got a patch for the topic : -depricated +deprecated :)
23:58 < tsa> tfing: send a patch to the list ;)
23:59 < tsa> == 05/21/03 23:28:45 =[9]=> Finished building package net-snmp.
23:59 < rxr> tsa: svn log
23:59 < tsa> ah..thx
23:59 < rxr> ah no this is on the server
23:59 < rxr> on your disk you only have the latest revision, the working copy ...
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