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--- Log opened Fri May 23 00:00:00 2003 --- Day changed Fri May 23 2003 00:20 < rolla> Mike1: ? 00:20 < Mike1> da? 00:20 < rolla> that kernel would not even boot 00:20 < Mike1> mm... 00:20 < rolla> I try again 00:20 < Mike1> ok. 00:41 -!- jahor [~jahor@jahor.sh.cvut.cz] has quit ("leaving") 00:47 < daja77> re 00:49 < Mike1> daja77: 0_o 00:49 < Mike1> hi 00:50 < daja77> Mike1: ? 00:50 < rxr> re 00:50 < daja77> I was at the cinema, now I am back ;) 00:50 < rxr> hi tsa 00:51 < tsa> aah 00:51 < tsa> hi rxr 00:51 < daja77> oh hi rxr 00:51 < jose> this is funny : https://www.securityfocus.com/printable/news/4831 00:51 < tsa> rxr: a shotr patch...via irc.. 00:51 < tsa> rxr: nessus 2.0.6 00:51 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch nessus-2.0.6 00:52 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch nessus 00:52 < tsa> would you please.. ? 00:52 < tsa> ;) 00:52 < tsa> (a security-related bug has been found in nessus, otherwise i wouldn't update it..) 00:52 < Mike1> jose: that is _OLD_ news.. 00:52 * daja77 still laughing avbout that ms guy with his tablet pcs 00:54 < Mike1> daja77: rxr likes it when you paste patches in a query to him 00:54 < daja77> Mike1: O_o 00:54 < Mike1> s/daja77/tsa 00:54 < Mike1> *g 00:54 < daja77> ic 00:55 < tsa> Mike1: heeh 00:55 < rxr> tsa: ack - in a minute 00:55 * daja77 likes it when ms is demonstrating their failures 00:55 < tsa> ok. 00:55 < Mike1> hi rxr 00:55 < tsa> thanks 00:55 < rxr> daja77: what failures this time ? 00:55 < daja77> the tablet pc is a bad joke 00:56 < daja77> he demonstrated to text recongnition feature, it failed, and he said you can't train it 00:57 < daja77> then he said in the same sentence that you could train the apple newton *rofl* 00:58 < daja77> most of the time he spoke about features which will come in the next version... 00:59 < rolla> Mike1: no joy 00:59 < rolla> I am reinstalling 00:59 < Mike1> rolla: ? 00:59 < Mike1> urrgs 00:59 < rolla> sorry 00:59 < rolla> I will maker sure it is 2.4 kernel 00:59 < Mike1> rolla: will you try what i said 'bf24' ? 00:59 < daja77> bf24? 01:00 < Mike1> daja77: do not worry 01:00 < daja77> hehe i don't... 01:00 < Mike1> :PP 01:00 < rolla> Mike1: that does not work 01:01 < Mike1> rolla: arrgg 01:01 < daja77> ...I will go to bed, I think... 01:02 < rolla> sorry 01:03 < Mike1> rolla: its ok, as long as the thing works with 2.4 i don't care 01:05 < rolla> I hope it does 01:06 < rolla> Mike1: this cd is setup for 2.2.20 :( 01:06 < rolla> I have to use dselect to instal 2.4 kernel 01:06 < daja77> .oO I smell debian *urrrgs* 01:07 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:07 < rolla> yeah bad mojo 01:07 < daja77> 2hi jsaw 01:07 < rxr> tsa: err only 2.0.6a is available on the site ... 01:10 < tsa> ack 01:10 < rolla> debian is such crap 01:12 < daja77> rolla: full ack 01:12 < jsaw> hi all. hi daja77 01:13 < daja77> jsaw: how are you 01:13 < jose> rolla: are you using woody ?, and want to use 2.4 ?, that's what you want ? 01:14 < jsaw> daja77: a bit over-worked, but still fine 01:16 -!- sl5500 [~sl5500@232.110.35.65.cfl.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:16 < daja77> overworked, nice i had too much entertainment today... 01:17 < daja77> hi sl5500 01:17 < jsaw> too much entertainment??? 01:18 < daja77> yeah microsoft tablet pc roadshow and cinema ;) 01:21 < jsaw> concerning the first part, in what sense entertaining? 01:22 < daja77> hehe watching an incompetent moron presenting the tablet thingies 01:23 < jsaw> |-] 01:24 < daja77> the important message for me was that it is just a pc, so running an os should be possible ;) 01:25 < daja77> well in first thing worked an crusoe processor, and in the second a pentium III, and win xp is so lame... 01:26 < rxr> daja77: and you havend sent the crusoe based one over? 01:26 < jsaw> I first thought, in "so running an os [...]" there's a "y" missing... 01:26 < jsaw> but no, correct grammar! 01:26 < daja77> jsaw: ??? 01:27 < daja77> rxr: no, I could have filled in my address and stuff, for getting the chance of winnig one, but hell I get enough spam mail 01:27 < daja77> winning 01:28 < rxr> daja77: winning? the person had one in his hand, hadn't he? 01:28 < jsaw> daja77: (xp is no OS - or am I wrong here?, so "an os" instead of "any os" is correct) 01:28 < rxr> daja77: isn't this "winning"? 01:28 < daja77> rxr: I couldn't get it, sorry 01:28 < rxr> :-( 01:28 < rxr> crusoe is a nice toy ;-) 01:29 < daja77> that idiot told the whole time that the pentium based is faster (and he mentioned that linus works for transmeta, in a sense that this would be the reason for that slow xp) 01:30 < daja77> yeah sure buy a compaq tablet pc, they have a crusoe 01:31 < daja77> jsaw: you got that wrong, i said installing an os should be possible, I haven't said aynthing about xp there 01:32 < jsaw> daja77: (1. you said running, 2. this 01:34 < daja77> well ok I said running an os, so what I still haven't said anything about xp there, and I don't care what it is running by default ;) 01:34 < jsaw> daja77: "moron" presented XP, or? 3. I tried to be funny... but I was not) 01:35 < daja77> jsaw: ? 01:39 < esden> hi ho 01:39 < esden> ok ... now I have seen matrix reloaded :D 01:39 < tsa> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 01:39 < esden> very nice 01:40 < esden> tsa: ? 01:40 < tsa> From: baby_p_nut2@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) 01:40 < tsa> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc 01:40 < tsa> Subject: can you boot Windows 2003 on a Sun Fire V65x Server? 01:40 < tsa> Can you boot Windows 2003 on a Sun Fire V65x Server? I'm trying to 01:40 < tsa> get better performance out of this legacy equipment and MicroSoft says 01:40 < tsa> that Windows 2003 would help. 01:40 < sl5500> ewww 01:40 < esden> lool 01:40 < tsa> *sigh* 01:41 < daja77> tsa: hehe that reminds of a usenet posting... 01:41 < esden> daja77: it is one ;-) 01:41 < daja77> yeah but of another 01:42 < daja77> quote: so goddamn good hardware and then using windows, you are heartless 01:43 * tsa is eating his keyboard. 01:43 < daja77> hehe chocolate keyboard, nice 01:43 < tsa> no. 01:43 < tsa> sun type5. 01:44 < esden> tsa: give her/him a nice answer in fefe style ;-) 01:44 < daja77> esden: full ack 01:44 < esden> go dying ... somewhere else 01:44 < daja77> and quiet 01:44 < esden> or so 01:44 < tsa> hehe 01:45 < esden> tsa: do it slowly and painfull ;-) 01:45 < daja77> you sometimes says: remove yourself from then mankind's gene pool 01:45 < daja77> s/you/he 01:46 < esden> daja77: yes ... he does ... I would say "darvinase yourself" 01:46 < daja77> hehe yeah even have heard of this 01:46 < esden> hmm ... I hoped that it was my invention :-( 01:47 < daja77> "Bitte begeben sie sich zum Zwecke der Selbstentleibung zur zweiten Tür links" 01:48 < daja77> or so 01:48 < esden> "please use one of futurame suicide booths. and choose slowly and painfull." 01:48 < daja77> yeah 01:48 < esden> -futurama 01:49 < daja77> press the only for idiots button *gg* 01:49 < esden> nice ... I have 4 or so new sigs now ... nice ;-) 01:49 < esden> thanks daja77 01:52 < daja77> np 01:55 * sl5500 looks out the window....it's a nasty storm out there 01:55 < rxr> Committed revision 357. 01:56 < esden> rxr you need a new nickname 01:56 < esden> powercommiter or so 01:56 < rxr> ;-) 01:58 < tsa> hehe 01:59 -!- jose [~jose@196.40.45.146] has quit ("BitchX: melts in your mouth, not in your hands") 01:59 < daja77> well if final is released tomorrow... 01:59 < sl5500> 1.6? 02:00 < daja77> *rofl* 02:00 < daja77> sl5500: please read the topic 02:06 < sl5500> yes ic...I was just on an old mirror 02:07 < sl5500> I just started looking at RockLinux, seem to remind me of LFS, in a way 02:07 < daja77> well try the rock 2.0.0beta iso if you like 02:07 < daja77> isos 02:08 < sl5500> well I would actually go4 the noncompiled version 02:08 < daja77> ok 02:08 < sl5500> I'm a slack user btw, is there much difference? aside from the build environment? 02:09 < daja77> O_o I don't know slackware 02:09 < daja77> you'll need devfs support in kernel, this is mandatory 02:09 < sl5500> ahh, it reminds me a bit of it. obviously a different package management, but simple, clean and flexable. 02:09 < sl5500> ahh so devfs is now the way to go..ic 02:10 < daja77> so I guess you have to recompile your kernel 02:10 * sl5500 doesn't know if I like devfs.... 02:11 < daja77> well you'll probably need devfsd as well, otherwise your initscripts fail 02:11 < sl5500> that probably also means that some of my kernel modules fail too... 02:12 < daja77> no 02:12 < sl5500> well for the devfs registration 02:12 < daja77> no problem with that 02:12 < rolla> Mike1: ? 02:12 < Mike1> jo 02:13 < rolla> the install is going well 02:13 < rolla> 2.4.20 kernel is installed 02:13 < Mike1> and running? 02:13 < rolla> there was a setting I had to do which might have caused us trouble 02:13 < rolla> Mike1: not yet 02:13 < Mike1> i see. 02:13 < rolla> packages still installing 02:13 < rolla> I will reinstall woden later to same spec 02:13 < rolla> == 19:06:59 =[5]=> Building gnome2/libgnomeuimm14 [1.3.16 2.0.0-beta3]. 02:13 < Mike1> good 02:13 < rolla> ;) 02:14 < daja77> rolla: you are installing woden, really? 02:14 < rolla> no I have box named woden 02:14 < rolla> after mike of courser 02:14 < daja77> hehe 02:14 < daja77> I could name my hp box rolla *gg* 02:15 < daja77> *damnit* I really should write that howto 02:16 < sl5500> humm, does ne1 know what arch dependancies rocklinux has? 02:16 < daja77> ne1? 02:16 < rolla> daja77: I have had servers named after me before 02:16 < sl5500> sorry, ne1 = anyone 02:16 < rolla> daja77: mike.maisenhelder.net ;) 02:17 < daja77> sl5500: define arch depencies 02:17 < daja77> rolla: hmm rolla.j-net would be nice 02:17 < rolla> j-net? 02:17 < daja77> my local domain... 02:18 < sl5500> daja77: ok it works on ix86, Alpha, PowerPC, Sparc, and MIPS... 02:18 < rolla> :) 02:18 < daja77> well I used it when I was at my parents... 02:18 < Mike1> i gtg will come back in some hours 02:18 < daja77> Mike1: bye 02:19 < daja77> sl5500: yeah but I dunno the status of Alpha, Sparc and Mips Port 02:19 < rolla> bye 02:19 < sl5500> daja77: I was just wondering what would be involved in a port..is most of it done in shell? 02:19 < daja77> gn8 rolla :) 02:20 < sl5500> bye rolla 02:20 < sl5500> daja77: or am I missing something here.... 02:20 < daja77> sl5500: the build scripts are written in bash 02:21 < daja77> I don't get you 02:21 < tsa> cu all 02:21 < daja77> cu tsa 02:21 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082DD1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 02:21 * daja77 should go too 02:22 < daja77> sl5500: bye cu later, have to go to bed now 02:22 < sl5500> bye daja77 02:22 < esden> ci daja77 02:22 < esden> s/ci/cu/ 02:30 -!- sl5500 [~sl5500@232.110.35.65.cfl.rr.com] has left #rocklinux ("goodbye world :)") 03:24 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M291P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:25 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M339P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:46 -!- mnemoc [~mnemoc@200.75.27.38] has joined #rocklinux 03:55 < rolla> Mike1: ? 03:59 < rolla> anyone speak greek? 04:04 < mnemoc> not me 04:07 < navs> how can I just rebuild a single package? in the installation 04:07 < navs> i was doing Build-Target and coreutils failed 04:09 < mnemoc> ./script/Build-Target -job <stage>-<package> 04:09 < navs> and it will know the prefix and everything? 04:10 < mnemoc> everything :) that's because you are useing Build-Target and not Build-Pkg 04:10 < navs> oic thanks 04:10 < mnemoc> wellcome 04:41 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090AF31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:47 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090AD5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:20 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@194.152.165.18] has joined #rocklinux 05:25 -!- baka-chibi [blindcoder@pD958FEFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:25 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F96A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: baka-chibi!blindcoder@pD958FEFB.dip.t-dialin.net))) 05:26 -!- baka-chibi is now known as blindcoder 05:27 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit ("Client Exiting") 06:43 < blindcoder> moin 07:03 -!- navs [~navs@3ffe:b80:1b10:1:2e0:18ff:feab:841c] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:44 < Mike1> moin blindy 07:47 -!- zer0_o [~sascha@217.14.64.20] has joined #rocklinux 07:48 < blindcoder> moin Mike1 07:48 < blindcoder> Mike1: awake this early/late? 08:30 < netrunner> moin 08:32 < blindcoder> moin netrunner 08:33 < netrunner> crap ... I forgot to switch on my building machine at home. note to self: activate wol 08:37 < blindcoder> hehe 08:37 < blindcoder> wake on lan is corrupt in my BIOS 08:37 < blindcoder> I just found that out this morning (after 4 days >_<) 08:37 < blindcoder> Each time the DSL-Modem hang up (Telekom disconnect) the BIOS reboots >_< 08:37 < blindcoder> *the BIOS causes a reboot 08:48 < blindcoder> rxr: here? 09:17 < daja77> re 09:18 < blindcoder> moin daja77 09:18 < daja77> moin blindcoder 09:21 < _NULL_> morning *yaaaaaaawn* 09:22 < netrunner> moin daja77, _NULL_ 09:22 < _NULL_> hi netrunner 09:33 < rxr> hi blindcoder 09:34 < rxr> re 09:36 -!- mnemoc [~mnemoc@200.75.27.38] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:37 < netrunner> rxr: am I right that there exist 2 trees for 2.0? your svn and cliffords cvs? And that they are not always synced? 09:39 < blindcoder> rxr: I'm currently writing tons of config.hlp entries and files. You want them? :-) 09:46 < rxr> blindcoder: _yes_ 09:46 < rxr> netrunner: not exactly - currently we have svn and cvs (and syncing often takes some days) 09:47 < rxr> but mine is the official stable tree repository - and cliffs cvs is the former devel tree which will forked to 2.1 later 09:47 < rxr> but clifford also thinks about using svn on my server so for 2.1 we have stable 2.0 and devel 2.1 on the same subversion server 09:47 < blindcoder> rxr: hehe, thought so :-) Will send a patch once complete 09:48 < netrunner> rxr: I am just thinking about the bootdisk-dietlibc problem you said that clifford fixed, yesterday it still failed using your repository. 09:49 < blindcoder> rxr: what is Multi-Lib support ??? 09:54 < rxr> support for mulitple versions of the same library with different features. (mostly libc) e.g. 32bit and 64bit version of the same lib on SPARC or x86_64 - or a Flooting-Point and FP-less version for i386 and so on ... 09:55 < blindcoder> ah I see 09:55 < blindcoder> btw 09:56 < blindcoder> misc/config/config-games.in still has shebang in it :-) 09:56 < blindcoder> I just noticed it 10:05 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@194.152.165.18] has left #rocklinux () 10:05 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@x32.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:10 < kasc> moin 10:11 < rxr> hi kasc 10:12 < blindcoder> moin kasc 10:15 < kasc> why doesnt anyone just switch off that weather? 10:15 < blindcoder> hrm 10:16 < blindcoder> because it's dry, it doesn't rain and it's not too hold nor too cold? 10:17 < kasc> isnt dry here, too cold for this time of year and is simply ugly 10:19 < blindcoder> hrm... okay 10:21 < kasc> some more light would be great, too 10:24 * blindcoder hands kasc a flashlight 10:40 < blindcoder> phew 10:40 < blindcoder> we _do_ have a _lot_ of config.in files >_< 10:44 < kasc> thx 10:45 < kasc> thats good, isnt it? :p 10:48 < _NULL_> why should it be good? 10:49 < _NULL_> kasc: and: the weather is great - fit's prefect for using train (which is not air-conditioned) 10:53 < kasc> _NULL_: because i cant motivate myself to go outside that way 10:53 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@x32.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:54 < _NULL_> kasc: this is not caused by the weather but by the fact that you're a lazy student... 10:54 < blindcoder> kasc: it'd be good if there were just as much config.hlp files >_< 10:56 < _NULL_> someone know where i can upload a 527 mb .iso file ? 10:56 < blindcoder> _NULL_: send it to yourself at bingo via email 10:57 < _NULL_> blindcoder: why this? 10:57 < _NULL_> i don't need it... i have it on my notebook... 10:57 < blindcoder> _NULL_: so why do you want to upload it o_O 10:58 < _NULL_> blindcoder: to release a system which can be used to build erebos 10:58 < blindcoder> hrm 10:58 < _NULL_> (for someone, who doesn't want to update the system and so) 11:00 < _NULL_> hrm? 11:01 < blindcoder> iso.rocklinux.de :D 11:01 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *g* nah :p 11:08 < _NULL_> *grml* my PC at work is crashing again and again... 11:10 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M291P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:15 < zer0_o> hi all 11:15 < zer0_o> does anyone ever had compressed a avi file with mencoder ? 11:16 < zer0_o> _NULL_: maybe kicking the pc will help.. 11:18 < blindcoder> yes, here 11:18 < zer0_o> a colleague of mine had problems with a compaq server, it seemed, the pc won't boot anymore, after 11 trys he got angry and kickt it, then it booted ;) 11:18 < blindcoder> hehe 11:18 < _NULL_> zer0_o: *ouch* but mine is a dell... and quite old... (and: dammit. it hase 600 mhz) 11:19 < zer0_o> blindcoder: avi in xvid ? =))) 11:19 < blindcoder> zer0_o: mencoder -o myfile.avi -ovc divx uncompressed.avi 11:19 < blindcoder> zer0_o: hrm... 11:19 < zer0_o> i get an error =( Error: option 'lavcopts' has no suboption 'codec' 11:21 < zer0_o> oops, now i get: No audio encoder (-oac) selected. 11:21 < zer0_o> btw. _NULL_ 600MHz does just fine for me =) 11:21 < blindcoder> -oac copy 11:21 < blindcoder> should be fine most of the time 11:22 < blindcoder> or -oac mp3 11:22 < zer0_o> is there 'ogg' too ? 11:23 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M287P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:25 < blindcoder> phew, I'm done 11:25 < blindcoder> dunno 11:26 < blindcoder> haven't you tried soac help? 11:26 < blindcoder> -oac help? 11:27 < zer0_o> blindcoder: can you send me '.mplayer/mencoder' i've got no such conf-file .. maybe it doesn't run because of that.. 11:31 < blindcoder> I don't have one either and it works fine 11:32 < blindcoder> have you done -oac help to see which codecs ar available? 11:40 < zer0_o> =( i work in the hotline this week ... 11:40 < zer0_o> it just sscks .. =P sorry =P 11:47 < blindcoder> I'm there, too , so don't whine :P 11:52 < zer0_o> =P where, i call you and ask dumb questions ;) 11:56 < blindcoder> rxr: patch is out :-) 11:56 < blindcoder> zer0_o: Siemens Munich 11:58 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:59 < zer0_o> really? 11:59 < blindcoder> hi Ge0rG 11:59 < zer0_o> we are siemens partner =P 11:59 < blindcoder> zer0_o: yeah, why? 11:59 < Ge0rG> hiho :) 11:59 < blindcoder> zer0_o: hehe 12:01 < zer0_o> i go having lunch. cul 12:01 < _NULL_> bye zer0_o . guten hunger 12:02 < zer0_o> danke =) 12:02 < blindcoder> zer0_o: an guadn 12:05 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802725.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:06 < rxr> blindcoder: nice 12:08 < blindcoder> rxr: I might have missed one or two of kasc's packages cause their no longer in my local tree. But that should be abut it 12:11 < blindcoder> GAH 12:12 < blindcoder> The customers here are too stupid to WRITE 12:13 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *gggg* what did they do? 12:13 < blindcoder> they sent a change-request 12:13 < blindcoder> then I processed it 12:14 < blindcoder> and then I could about a dozen calls why I added Mister FOO instead of Mister FOOO (note the one additional character) 12:14 < blindcoder> and they complain about _us_ being too stupid to notice spelling errors on their side. 12:14 < blindcoder> Come on, sorry I'm not telepathic 12:15 < blindcoder> nor can I smell spelling errors on a paper 12:15 < _NULL_> muhahahahaha! 12:15 < blindcoder> *GRAH* 12:16 < blindcoder> GAH 12:16 < blindcoder> the next change-request is completely unreadable... 12:16 * blindcoder wants to cry 12:17 < _NULL_> *g* poor blindcoder 12:19 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M287P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 12:19 < _NULL_> hi n00kie 12:19 < n00kie> Hola :) 12:19 < n00kie> Hi _NULL_ 12:20 < _NULL_> blindcoder: will you be at linuxtag 2003? 12:20 < rxr> blindcoder: is ROCK used at your company ? 12:33 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M287P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it.") 12:34 < blindcoder> rxr: no 12:34 < blindcoder> rxr: because everyone is RedHat Certified 12:35 < rxr> *lol* 12:35 < rxr> blindcoder: I hope it is ok that I reedit the text - adding additional informations and tring to make the text read mor professional ? 12:35 < blindcoder> rxr: sure 12:36 < blindcoder> rxr: most of what I did is ust make-the-sentence-longer-so-it-looks-like-more but I tried to create useful text where I could 12:39 < blindcoder> I think I'll have lunch now 12:39 < blindcoder> bbl 12:40 < _NULL_> blindcoder: guten hunger. cya 12:49 -!- Parabull_ [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 12:51 -!- weexid [~syntaxs@not-exist.akakom.ac.id] has joined #rocklinux 12:53 < _NULL_> hi Parabull_ , weexid 12:53 < weexid> yup 12:53 < weexid> :) 12:53 < weexid> _NULL_: how r u today? 12:55 < _NULL_> weexid: hm. extremely zombified. thx. and you? 12:55 < weexid> just like yesterday ... 12:56 < _NULL_> hmm. 13:02 < weexid> hmm i need help, when i've done with adding user by useradd command line, and the password on /etc/shadow were unencrypted, how it could be? 13:04 < _NULL_> AAAAAAARGH! wtf is going on with cvs-./scripts/Download...??? 13:05 < rxr> weexid: maybe some syntax or permission error with /etc/shadow ? 13:05 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:13 < rxr> so svn now installed on my Ultra5 - co running ;-) 13:13 < rxr> Committed revision 360. 13:14 < _NULL_> rxr: why is gcc-2 in rock, btw? 13:15 < rxr> for reference reasons - or other special purpose reasons. E.g. it is still faster - and the first 3.0.x versions failed for some architectures. 13:15 < _NULL_> i c. ok. thx. 13:16 < rxr> sick from lfs? Comming back to ROCK ? 13:17 < _NULL_> rxr: nope. just abusing ./scripts/Download -repository base for getting the latest sources... and - i'm deeply fallen in love with LFS... and in the intranet at work you already can find a erebos-2003-05-23.iso - which is a minimalistic LFS-based and some modifications done by me, iso. :p 13:18 < _NULL_> so... it looks bad for rock... very bad... 13:22 < rxr> *lol* 13:22 < _NULL_> rxr: ? 13:24 < rxr> me hiding because of the all-mighty erebos ... 13:25 < rxr> when do you estimate to have eberos in a shape similar ro ROCK-current? Four years ? 13:26 < _NULL_> rxr: nope. one year. 13:26 < rxr> incl cross building and multi-architecture support ? 13:26 < _NULL_> rxr: no multi-architecture support. 13:26 < _NULL_> cross building...? 13:27 < rxr> building on a fast x86 for a e.h. ppc embedded device or so ... 13:28 < _NULL_> hmm... also not planned... 13:28 < _NULL_> (yet) 13:29 < rxr> you really think it is worth a human-year just to create yet another source-build-kit-whatever when you have ROCK today ? 13:30 < _NULL_> yes. and: i guess i will not be alone... there will be at least 2 people at erebos. 13:30 < rxr> an those are ? 13:30 < rxr> +d 13:30 < _NULL_> and - imho the most important thing is the base... the graphical stuff etc. can be build by the user... 13:30 < _NULL_> rxr: my bf and /me 13:31 < _NULL_> maybe a third person. (a friend of /me = 13:31 < rxr> you will not have X gnome kde whatever packages and expect all this to be done on each box by the user/admin ? 13:31 < blindcoder> lme back 13:32 < rxr> (manually ? 13:32 < rxr> ) 13:32 < tfing> hi all 13:33 < _NULL_> and: maybe a 4th person (security) will attend 13:33 < blindcoder> _NULL_: so what will be different in erebos from current distros? 13:34 < blindcoder> _NULL_: _why_ use it? 13:34 < blindcoder> _NULL_: "because I made it" isn't really an argument, you know 13:34 < _NULL_> rxr: yes. i won't release isos which include the fat X11 whatever stuff 13:34 < tfing> rxr: is it me or you did not apply my update for mldonkey ? 13:34 < _NULL_> blindcoder: it's not ready yet. and i'm too lazy to explain the stuff i'm currently doing 13:34 < rxr> _NULL_: yeah - much fun 13:34 < _NULL_> rxr: why this sarcasm? 13:35 < _NULL_> just because i'm not comming back to rock? 13:35 < rxr> _NULL_: because I really do not get the benefit in tinkering one year for only the bare base when we have such a superb dist here ... ;-) 13:35 < blindcoder> _NULL_: no. because he already knows the difficulties and amount of work needed to do someting like that. 13:36 < rxr> blindcoder: ac 13:36 < rxr> +k 13:36 < rxr> tfing: mom 13:36 < _NULL_> rxr: superb dist here? *looking* 13:37 < rxr> _NULL_: maybe you should /join a #eberos channel to ask you "argh why does xyz not compile questions there" ... 13:37 < rxr> tfing: you mean the one from "03/17" ? 13:37 < _NULL_> rxr: nack. 13:37 -!- weexid [~syntaxs@not-exist.akakom.ac.id] has left #rocklinux () 13:38 < tfing> rxr: from 05/20 13:38 < rxr> tfing: what subject ? 13:38 < tfing> Subject: [patch] update mldonkey & new bitlbee 13:38 < tfing> you even answered my mail 13:39 < rxr> ah private not on the list ;-) 13:39 < tfing> yes :) 13:41 < rxr> tfing: applied now 13:41 < rxr> _NULL_: why nack ? 13:41 < tfing> ok, thx 13:42 < _NULL_> rxr: because "why does this and this fail" is not distribution-specific 13:42 < rxr> Committed revision 362. 13:45 -!- Netsplit over, joins: n00kie_ 13:45 < rxr> Committed revision 363. 13:46 < blindcoder> rxr: your definately too fast with new revs :-) 13:49 -!- _NULL_ [~owl@aszlig.net] has left #rocklinux () 13:49 < blindcoder> hrm 13:50 < blindcoder> that happens if you say someone what you think 13:50 < blindcoder> and I just told her that if she doesn't like ROCK then she is free to go... 13:50 < blindcoder> brb 13:51 < rxr> yes - this "I need my own dist to satisfy my ego" thing is strange ... 13:52 -!- _NULL_ [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:52 < rxr> hi _NULL_ 13:52 < _NULL_> sorry. forget to say: bye. i'm also not present on #rocklinux anymore. if someone wants to have contact, join #anarchy 13:52 < _NULL_> adios 13:52 -!- _NULL_ [~owl@aszlig.net] has left #rocklinux ("gone forever") 13:54 < rxr> .... 13:54 < rxr> why doesn't she get that implicately saying ROCK sucks all the time is not the best to do on a # 13:54 < rxr> rocklinux channel ... ?!? 13:55 < blindcoder> because she doesn't understand a lot of things.... at least that's the impression I get from talking to her regularly 13:56 < blindcoder> for example she doesn't understand why everyone doesn't get depressed about politicians doing wrong things and campanies laboring against linux 14:05 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802AD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:09 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M287P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Damn, wrong button.") 14:22 -!- Parabull_ [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 14:22 < daja77> re 14:23 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 14:27 < daja77> .oO you tried to critize _NULL_ *gggg* 14:27 < blindcoder> daja77: what do you wean... _tried_? DID it :D 14:28 < daja77> hehe ok, well... 14:29 < daja77> well we'll see... 14:30 < blindcoder> yeah 14:30 * daja77 playing with his new toy 14:30 < blindcoder> which? 14:31 < daja77> a usb "verteiler" for my laptop 14:31 < blindcoder> nice 14:32 < daja77> yeah especially if only have one port as default ;) 14:33 < blindcoder> yeah ;) 14:33 < daja77> now I have four ports, which means mouse, palm docking station, flash card reader, could be plugged in at once and still a port open *yes* 14:34 < blindcoder> the last port would be occupied by my wrist-watch :) 14:34 < daja77> hmm nice 14:34 < blindcoder> to be delivered today or Monday (depends on UPS >_<) 14:36 < daja77> UPS & co suck a lot 14:36 < blindcoder> yeah 14:37 < blindcoder> but I'm really looking forward to that gadget :D 14:38 < daja77> :) 14:40 < rxr> hi daja77 14:40 < rolla> re 14:40 < daja77> hi rxr 14:40 < daja77> rxr: how are you? 14:40 -!- tomik [~own3d@bremaiva.worldonline.cz] has joined #rocklinux 14:40 < rxr> oh well 14:40 < rxr> and you ? 14:40 < rolla> rxr: I finally have packages failing :( 14:40 < daja77> fine a bit tired... 14:47 < daja77> rxr: I hope you do not plan to include rc3 into beta? 14:51 < rxr> daja77: yes -beta4 14:52 < daja77> :( 14:52 < rxr> daja77: why? -beta3 is already tagged 14:53 < daja77> yeah I should test the isos I made, I guess ... 15:01 < rxr> daja77: would be nice 15:01 < rxr> the ISOs are from rev ? 15:01 < daja77> 342 15:01 < daja77> afaik 15:03 < daja77> ... the builds take more time than the commits... 15:04 * blindcoder building 347 + own patches :) 15:04 < rxr> daja77: no problem - I know 15:04 < daja77> :) 15:10 -!- zer0_o [~sascha@217.14.64.20] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:10 -!- tomik [~own3d@bremaiva.worldonline.cz] has quit ("The One Ring warning: Wraiths May Seem Closer Than They Appear") 15:13 < esden> blindcoder: it is pretty strange that mozilla is not building on your machine ... here it is compiling 15:14 < blindcoder> esden: hmm... it doesn't compile since some time 15:14 < blindcoder> haven't had time to look into it 15:14 < rxr> oh my 15:14 < rxr> I had to tell Jocelyn to announce ROCK on freshmeat four (!!) times or soe 15:14 < rxr> now she did it and did not even include a basic changes summary 15:15 < blindcoder> jsdtoa.c:1874: unable to find a register to spill in class `AREG' 15:15 < blindcoder> hrm... interesting 15:15 < esden> hugh ? 15:15 < blindcoder> that's the message I get in 5-mozzilla.err 15:16 < blindcoder> jsdtoa.c:1874: confused by earlier errors, bailing out 15:18 < daja77> hehe my favourite gcc error message *ggg* 15:18 < blindcoder> daja77: you know that one? 15:19 < daja77> confused by earlier errors, sure but only from my code ;) 15:19 < blindcoder> hrm 15:20 < daja77> blindcoder: it only means that there are too much error to continue sane parsing, the errors you are looking for should be above that line 15:36 < blindcoder> hrm.... interesting 15:37 < daja77> btw this is sometimes caused by typos... 15:37 < blindcoder> daja77: but why does it compile at esden and not here 15:39 < daja77> blindcoder: maybe download error? 15:39 < blindcoder> hmm... checksum was correct 15:53 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:55 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 15:55 < netrunner> argl. I went to the varsity without starting the build-nodes :( 16:01 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:05 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 16:09 < kasc> does anyone in here already use svn? 16:09 < tfing> many i think 16:10 < blindcoder> yeah 16:10 * blindcoder does 16:10 * kasc just noticed the topic %-) 16:10 < daja77> kasc: yeah sure, you don't *gg* 16:13 < kasc> rock-trunk is the most recent one? 16:14 < rxr> kasc: yes 16:14 < rxr> it is the official stable tree 16:17 < kasc> but i still cant apply the patches for my repos myself, can i? 16:17 < blindcoder> no, you can't 16:19 < rxr> kasc: theoretically yes 16:19 < kasc> but? 16:19 < rxr> kasc: I do not yet want to start to play with "write access for maintainer" because I do not want to risk to destablize 16:20 < kasc> ic 16:20 < kasc> does svn make anything easier for me? 16:20 < rolla> yes 16:21 < rxr> I can control access by directory - and even per file content (e.g. parsing the [M] tag ;-) 16:21 < rxr> kasc: when you want to contribute to the stable tree it is nearly your only choise anyway ... :-( (or ;-) 16:22 < rxr> and maybe the 2.1 devel tree will also move to subversion. 16:22 < rxr> and we'll open write access for maintainers that are known to contribute useful code ;-) 16:25 < kasc> uh oh *g* 16:26 < rxr> kasc: ? 16:27 < kasc> oh, nothing ;) 16:31 -!- cOdEz [~codez@pD9E4448B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:45 < rxr> so I now updated xine myself 16:45 * rxr wanna watch the matrix trailer lying on the HD for weeks 17:06 -!- tcr [~tcr@p508130B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:06 < tcr> moin all 17:09 < daja77> moin tcr 17:12 < cOdEz> btw: did anyone here read the announcement on freshmeat about rocklinux? 17:13 < tcr> recognized it 17:15 < tcr> cOdEz: Eh, do you have an account on freshmeat? 17:16 < cOdEz> yeah 17:16 < tcr> Would you mind rating ROCK and dROCK? 17:16 < cOdEz> k of course 17:16 < tfing> i rated rock today :) 17:22 < cOdEz> so 17:22 < cOdEz> did it 17:22 * cOdEz is away 17:23 < cOdEz> drinking a coffee 17:41 < rxr> cOdEz: yes - any comment abou the announcement = 17:41 < rxr> s/=/?/ 17:42 < cOdEz> no 17:42 < cOdEz> it's time to check out drock 17:46 < tcr> rxr: The new design ain't perfect, but it finally turned me liking it! :) 17:46 < tcr> (webdesign) 17:47 < rxr> cOdEz: I thought you might have noticed the missing changelog in the announcement ... 17:47 < rxr> :-(( 17:49 < tcr> Yeah, I noticed. rxr: You, as the maintainer, should append such a changelog part when you reminds jocelyn doing a freshmeat announcement 17:49 < tcr> You know best what's appropriate for each release.. 17:51 < rxr> tcr: I remembered her 4! times ... - she could have either cut'n pasted this from my original mail - or the dRock freshmeat page .... 17:51 < tcr> rxr: Does she know that? 17:53 < rxr> tcr: when you take a look she managed to do so for the -beta release 17:54 -!- navs [~navs@3ffe:b80:1b10:1:2e0:18ff:feab:841c] has joined #rocklinux 17:54 < tcr> Hmm... strange.. 17:54 < rxr> (although the -beta text is nothing from me - but her own invention) 17:55 < rxr> the release history of ROCK Linux on freshmeat is really funny - take a look *brrrrrrrr* 17:55 -!- toledo [~leandro@200.204.195.223] has joined #rocklinux 17:55 < toledo> hi all 17:56 * tcr bbl 17:57 < toledo> RockLinux is good ? 18:00 < netrunner> toledo: yep. 18:03 < toledo> is based on Slack ? 18:04 < Mike1> _NO_ 18:04 < toledo> before was ?? 18:05 < rxr> toledo: befora was ??? 18:05 < rxr> ROCK Linux is written from scrarch - it is based on our ideas ;-) 18:05 < netrunner> a lonely kernel. then there was a script to get progs to use with the kernel. 18:07 < Mike1> moin all btw\ 18:11 < toledo> anyone is developed RockLinux ? 18:11 < toledo> here.. 18:12 * Mike1 is rock dev.. 18:12 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 18:12 < Mike1> hi blindy 18:13 < blindcoder> hi Mike1 18:15 < toledo> Mike1 why to use Rock Linux ?? 18:15 < Mike1> toledo: hehe.. ok here i go: 18:17 < Mike1> toledo: in my personal opinion ROCK Linux gives you the oportunity of really understanding the whole OS and the packages that conform it, since i got started in ROCK i realized that my skills were been improved more and more every day which personally gacve me a lot of satisfaction 18:17 < Mike1> ROCK is quite a great distro for doing pretty much anything, our targets system, allows you to create an optimized 'target' to build for anything you need/want 18:18 < toledo> I'm Slack user.. 18:18 < Mike1> for example we currently have the desktop target, which a target intended to be for Desktops, enduser stuff, .. 18:18 < rolla> toledo: you are a slacker? 18:18 < Mike1> toledo: the first distro i used was Slackware, back 3.0, but let tell you slackware is quite weaka nd inferior compared to rock 18:19 < Mike1> toledo: with slack you will always have to settle to what comes with it, but with ROCK you are able to modify and build the whole distro as you want 18:19 < Mike1> if you are into embedded systems, you certainly will love it 18:20 < rolla> Mike1: my first was redhat 2.0 :) 18:20 < Mike1> toledo: i am not trying to take away credit for slack guys, but it is just not the same, of course there is several kinds of people with different likes and needs 18:22 < Mike1> toledo: so if you want a distro which brings everything friendly and easy to run may find your self happy with slack or debian, but, if you want to have real control, and make things your self then rock will be the best choice for you 18:22 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:22 < toledo> Mike1 with Slack I can't modify ?? 18:22 < Mike1> rolla: i think i have a rh 5.2 original box with cds and manuals laying around 18:23 < Mike1> toledo: you can modify things, but just not in the way you can do in rock, rock is more flexible 18:24 < Mike1> toledo: let me ilustrate you a little bit, are you able to update your slack source anytime, and get it to update your system, witht he latest packages while you are having breakfast? 18:24 < Mike1> toledo: or are you able to tell slackare to build lets say sendmail package with your own configuration 18:25 < Mike1> i mean as in creating your own package.. 18:25 < rxr> hi Mike1 18:25 < Mike1> things like that are so damn easy to do in rock 18:25 < Mike1> hi rxr 18:25 < rolla> Mike1: I still have the old cd of linux mirrors 18:25 < navs> what is 'mine' written in? 18:25 < Mike1> rxr: wanna gimme a hand here? 18:25 < rolla> that had slackware redhat and debian all on them 18:25 < rxr> rolla: hehe ;-) /me too 18:26 < rolla> rxr the red set or the blue one? 18:26 < Mike1> navs: c.. 18:26 < rxr> rolla: puh - haven't taken a look for a long time ;-) 18:26 < rolla> ":) 18:26 < rolla> I have both still 18:26 < rolla> the one with debian 1.0 on it ;0 18:27 < Mike1> toledo: more questions? 18:27 < navs> Mike1, does it have a package search feature? 18:27 < navs> like emerge -s 18:28 < rxr> navs: sure - called find ;-) 18:28 < blindcoder> rxr: actually, it's "grep" :) 18:28 < rxr> but we could add a wrapper around it if users needs this ;-) 18:28 < Mike1> sure. 18:28 < Mike1> :) 18:28 < rxr> blindcoder: well or a combination of grep and find ;-) 18:28 < blindcoder> rxr: hrm... umkay :-) 18:28 < rolla> Mike1: I have gain another alpha to test with at work 18:29 < Mike1> rolla: you lucky bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:29 < navs> well i was just wondering because, one of the reasons im trying rock is because gentoo's portage system has my cpu at like 100% for just a search 18:29 < rolla> this one is not mine but I can load debian on it and try to get 2.4 kernel to work :( 18:30 * blindcoder doing some more work on the ROCK <--> Irssi communicator :-) 18:31 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:37 -!- cOdEz_ [~codez@pD9E4448B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:37 -!- cOdEz [~codez@pD9E4448B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:41 < Mike1> 3 root 18 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd_CPU0 18:41 < Mike1> 4 root 18 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd_CPU1 18:41 < Mike1> 5 root 19 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd_CPU2 18:41 < Mike1> 6 root 18 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd_CPU3 18:41 < Mike1> uurgg, sorry guys 18:45 < netrunner> hm ... is it bad to mix up stages, or should it be no problem? (like when some packages in 3 have failed, and you are already in stage 5, you start over and he begins with the ones in 3) 18:47 < Mike1> np. 18:47 < Mike1> what packages failed on stage 3 for you btw? 18:48 < netrunner> Mike1: ignore it, I was cluster building locally and forgot to disable tempfs, so gcc (and some others) aborted because no space was left. 18:48 < Mike1> netrunner: hehehe 18:49 < netrunner> only 0/1-mine seems to fail again, because he cannot build libsomething while crossbuilding (which I am not doing) 18:50 < Mike1> mine 0.13 was broken for me.. 18:52 -!- toledo [~leandro@200.204.195.223] has quit ("BitchX: now Y2K compatible!") 18:53 < netrunner> that's the version I have here, do you remember the error? 18:55 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:58 < rxr> netrunner: the mine thing is a known bug of the new libtar - cliff will fix this soon 19:07 < rxr> Sending package/rene/w32codec/w32codec.conf 19:07 < rxr> Sending package/rene/w32codec/w32codec.desc 19:07 < rxr> Transmitting file data .. 19:07 < rxr> Committed revision 366. 19:07 < rxr> ^- in the case you wanna wathc quicktime stuff ... 19:14 -!- toledo [~leandro@200.204.195.223] has joined #rocklinux 19:15 -!- toledo [~leandro@200.204.195.223] has quit ("[BX] Tabardation - the inability to master use of the <Tab> key. See: retardation; Headcase.") 19:24 -!- toledo [~leandro@200.204.195.223] has joined #rocklinux 19:24 < toledo> back 19:25 < toledo> hey Mike1 19:25 < Mike1> welcome back toledo 19:26 < toledo> thanks 19:28 * rolla is bored again 19:28 * Mike1 points his water pistol to rolla... and shoots.. 19:32 < rolla> thanks 19:33 < Mike1> rolla: feeling better now? 19:33 < Mike1> *vbeg* 19:43 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:51 < tcr> re all 19:51 -!- tcr [~tcr@p508130B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Mess with the best, die like the rest!") 19:52 -!- cOdEz_ [~codez@pD9E4448B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:52 -!- tcr [~tcr@p5081375C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:52 -!- cOdEz [~codez@pD9E4448B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:52 < tcr> oups 20:01 < rxr> damn a patch from 2003-05-03 23:21:31 broke the catedit 20:01 < rxr> why can't people test their patches :-( 20:04 < netrunner> rxr: i promis I will, If I ever reach the level of being able to fix sth faster then sbd else ;) 20:15 < kasc> rxr: because nobody wants to test a patch for over two days (rebuild everything) 20:15 < kasc> hiyas btw 20:18 < netrunner> kasc: I suggest the guys with the big d^Dmachines should give slow guys an account to test. ('made a similar aggreement with esden, yet to be realized) 20:22 < rxr> kasc: nope this is just a utility prog in misc/archive ... 20:24 < kasc> uh, never ever even had a look in there, yet 20:24 < rxr> then read the next rolling ROCK issue ;-) 20:24 < kasc> hehe 20:25 < kasc> i did! several hundred times, but only first page ;-) 20:26 < rxr> kasc: you do not accidently provide full-size screenshots for your article ? 20:27 < kasc> i had them, before i've cut them to fit on the site... maybe i still have them somewhere 20:27 < rxr> kasc: some click to enlarge 20:28 < kasc> i proposed that to clifford, too but didnt get any answer 20:28 < kasc> so i deleted them during my last clean up 20:30 < kasc> nope, all gone 20:34 < tcr> kasc: Have you ever pondered about a special gaming target? 20:34 < rxr> tcr: why? Why do we need a gaming target? 20:34 < rxr> kasc: ok - it is not that important ... 20:35 < tcr> Because it's unique (afaik)? 20:36 -!- cOdEz is now known as cOdEz|na 20:37 < tcr> kasc: Let me describe a possible end situation (that I'd really like): Having a bootable CD (or more) which boot smoothly, and there's a graphical login where you can choose between all games available on CD (cool would be with description and screenshot). Savegames etc. can be stored at a floppy... 20:39 < kasc> i dont think a gaming target on any architecture can be even half as pleasuring as a gaming console 20:39 < tcr> Well, but it'd be quite close 20:40 < kasc> hmm... 20:41 < rxr> damn the gcc-3.2.3 does not build on SPARC :-( 20:42 < tcr> Maybe you know some gaming freak who would like to do such a thing, kasc. 20:42 < rolla> rxr what kind of sparc are youplaying on? 20:42 < rxr> Ultra5 20:42 < rolla> :) 20:42 < rxr> 270Mhz 128MB RAM ... 20:42 < rolla> are try it with rock or somethign else? 20:43 < rxr> nope ROCK-1.7 already running 20:43 < rxr> gcc-3.2.2 is on the box ... 20:43 < rolla> really 20:43 < rolla> you have iso for this? 20:43 < rxr> root@thesun:/mnt/rock/rock-trunk# cat /etc/VERSION 20:43 < rxr> ROCK Linux 1.7-snapshot (2003/01/28) 20:43 < toledo> wow 20:43 < rolla> I have 2 U10 that could use that :) 20:44 < rxr> rolla: https://www.rocklinux.org/rolling/devel/page4.html 20:44 < rxr> rolla: your own - or from a company ? 20:44 < kasc> tcr: it sounds interesting to implement, tho. I will try to make something like that when my ToDo is a bit shorter ;) 20:45 < rolla> my own 20:45 < rolla> did you cross compile ? 20:46 < rxr> 18:40:31 up 81 days, 17:25, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.48, 0.82 20:46 < rxr> Linux version 2.4.20 (root@thesun.localnet) (gcc version 3.2.2) #3 Sun Feb 9 16:56:31 Local time zone must be set--see zic manua 20:46 < rxr> GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.1, by Roland McGrath et al. 20:46 < rxr> Copyright (C) 1992-2001, 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 20:46 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C53F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:46 < rxr> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. 20:46 < rxr> There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A 20:46 < rxr> PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 20:46 < rxr> Compiled by GNU CC version 3.2.1. 20:46 < rxr> Compiled on a Linux 2.4.20 system on 2003-01-18. 20:46 < rxr> Available extensions: 20:46 < rxr> GNU libio by Per Bothner 20:46 < rxr> crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others 20:46 < rxr> linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy 20:46 < rxr> BIND-8.2.3-T5B 20:46 < rxr> libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc 20:46 < rxr> NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk 20:46 < rxr> software FPU emulation by Richard Henderson, Jakub Jelinek and others 20:46 < rxr> Report bugs using the `glibcbug' script to <bugs@gnu.org>. 20:46 < rxr> gcc (GCC) 3.2.2 20:46 < rxr> Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 20:46 < rxr> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO 20:47 < rxr> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 20:47 < tcr> ??? 20:48 < rxr> tcr: ;-) 20:48 < rxr> rolla: how fast are those U10? 20:48 < rxr> rolla: could you get your hand on some more ? 20:49 < rolla> rxr they are 440s 20:49 < rolla> I think 2 is my limit 20:49 < rxr> rolla: limit of what? 20:50 < rolla> I use to have a Blade 1000 to play with but it had to go back 20:50 < rolla> limit of what I can get my hands on 20:50 < rxr> they are lent or so? 20:50 < rolla> nope 20:50 < rolla> they are mine 20:50 < rolla> Mike1: is in process of obtaining one of them ;) 20:51 < rxr> rolla: ah :-( 20:51 < rxr> I asked because I'm still searching for a faster one .. 20:52 < kasc> tcr: anyway i will need to wait for some laws to clearify... maybe i even have to drop all games :-( 20:52 < rxr> kasc: what do you mean ? 20:52 < Mike1> rxr: he has 2 ... 20:52 < kasc> <quote> 20:52 < kasc> Liebe Spieleinteressierte, 20:52 < kasc> wegen der geänderten Rechtslage ab 1. April 2003 können wir derzeit leider 20:52 < kasc> keine Spiele im Webshop anbieten. Wir suchen nach einer Lösung, um Ihnen 20:52 < kasc> die zahlreichen Spiele unter Linux wieder zugänglich zu machen. Bitte 20:53 < kasc> wenden Sie sich bei Fragen an sales@linuxland.de. Für Ihr Verständnis 20:53 < kasc> vielen Dank im voraus! 20:53 < toledo> I'm a hacker !! I use Rock Linux 20:53 < kasc> Ihr LinuxLand-Team 20:53 < toledo> ehhehehe 20:53 < kasc> </quote> 20:53 < toledo> this fune 20:53 < kasc> the new Jugendschutzgesetz 20:53 < toledo> this funny 20:53 < Mike1> rxr: also ripclaw or huebi could be able to get you a faster Sparc.. 20:53 * Mike1 is away: eating 20:53 < rolla> rxr: yeah it is the shipping that kills it :( 20:53 < rolla> == 13:49:13 =[7]=> Building base/perl5 [5.8.0 2.0.0-beta3]. 20:53 < kasc> cf: https://www.heise.de/ct/03/08/078/default.shtml 20:53 < kasc> https://www.heise.de/ct/03/10/018/default.shtml 20:53 < rolla> sweet stage 7 :") 20:54 < netrunner> kasc: in ct they had an interview about it. iirc the law does not touch games that are downloadable, just software sold on cds 20:55 < kasc> netrunner: so its ok unless we sell rock linux on cd's? 20:59 < netrunner> kasc: If I understood it correctly, yes. But I'll re read that article. 20:59 < netrunner> kasc: Problem would be the cds on the linuxtag, though. 21:00 < tcr> --- ERROR Error during conversion: No error 21:00 < tcr> ??? xchat talks rubbish 21:02 < kasc> hope we dont need to give away cds without games 21:04 < tcr> Do you know a lawyer? 21:04 < kasc> unfortunately not 21:06 < tcr> neither me does 21:06 < rolla> Creating file list and doing final adoptions ... 21:06 < rolla> Found 2143 files for this package. 21:06 < rolla> Clear (old) md5sums and cksums ... 21:06 < rolla> Calculating package dependencies ... 21:06 < rolla> Creating md5sum and cksum files ... done. 21:06 < rolla> Creating package description ... 21:06 < rolla> Making post-install adoptions. 21:06 < rolla> Found shared files with other packages: 21:06 < netrunner> maybe the bpjs or a aequivalent institution should be officially contacted to get a hardcopy statement? 21:06 < rolla> usr/share/man/man3/Shell.3: lesstif perl5 21:06 < rolla> --- BUILD ERROR --- 21:06 < rolla> removed `/var/adm/logs/7-perl5.log' 21:07 < rolla> grr 21:08 < kasc> wonder how the other distributors handle that 21:10 < tcr> netrunner: Might be a good idea 21:11 < rxr> cu later 21:11 < tcr> bye 21:13 < rolla> any know why stage 7 perl breaks? 21:18 < netrunner> rolla: file clash? disable paranoia should help, but wouldn't fix it. 21:19 < daja77> re 21:21 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:28:30) 21:22 < daja77> wb Mike1 21:22 < Mike1> thx 21:23 < daja77> :) 21:34 < tcr> re daja77 21:35 < tcr> and re mike 21:35 < Mike1> :) 21:36 < daja77> re tcr ;) 21:39 < rolla> netrunner: you sure? 22:00 -!- toledo [~leandro@200.204.195.223] has quit ("BitchX: now with flavor crystals!") 22:00 < kasc> about the Jugendschutzproblem: https://lists.debian.org/debian-events-eu/2003/debian-events-eu-200304/msg00045.html 22:01 < kasc> looks like be may not include games on giveaway cd's 22:01 -!- navs [~navs@3ffe:b80:1b10:1:2e0:18ff:feab:841c] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 22:01 < daja77> kasc: which games? 22:02 < kasc> those which are not approved unless we pay the certification of those games. so basically all of them 22:02 < kasc> still reading, tho 22:02 < daja77> fsck 22:03 < daja77> kasc: hint: if we distribute the cd, they had to sue each of us seperately, cos we are no company ;) 22:03 < kasc> maybe we just have to drop every game that includes violence in what way o ever 22:04 < daja77> kasc: nah 22:04 < tcr> kasc: Blah, who cares? I don't consider games to be essential for giveaway CDs anyway 22:04 < kasc> daja77: they would sue me, because i'm the maintainer. And i cant afford around 50000 EUR just for inclusion of some games... 22:04 < daja77> kasc: bullshit 22:05 < daja77> kasc: it doesn't matter who is the maintainer, it is important who distributes the cds 22:05 < daja77> if you don't dare, I'll take over maintainance for that time 22:07 < daja77> if you'd be right no distro could give away cds, not even knoppix 22:07 < kasc> debian developers are discussing the dropping of all their games 22:07 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M291P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:07 < daja77> debian developers are a crazy croud I wouldn't ask in this matter 22:08 < kasc> we could get a certification from usk, but that would cost about 1000 EUR 22:08 * Mike1 things daja77, kasc and tcr are also insane.. 22:08 < daja77> kasc: no! we don't need it, we don't distribute games, we distribute an os, btw games are an essential part of any unix os 22:09 < n00kie> Hello 22:09 < daja77> hi n00kie 22:09 < n00kie> Hi daja77 :) 22:09 < daja77> kasc: why bothering about debian crap anyway 22:09 < kasc> because they are currently running into a problem we will have to face, too 22:10 -!- tcr [~tcr@p5081375C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:10 * daja77 reading 22:11 < kasc> Anyway i will try to activate some of my connections to get at least some info on what to do 22:11 < daja77> ahem kasc I still see no problem... 22:13 < daja77> but now you mentioned this, we should point at this problem at Linuxtag, what do you think 22:13 < Mike1> kasc: read query 22:14 < daja77> *argh* this sucks 22:14 -!- jose [~jose@196.40.45.146] has joined #rocklinux 22:15 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9E49331.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:15 < jose> hi! 22:16 < n00kie> Hola jose :) 22:16 < jose> n00kie: hola mae, como has estado ? 22:16 < jose> n00kie: want to help me with something ? 22:16 < daja77> hi jose 22:17 < jose> daja77: hi!, everything 0k ? 22:17 < daja77> yeah, apart from sucking german laws 22:17 < jose> why ?, are you going to jail ? 22:18 < daja77> nope, not until I'll distribute rock with kasc on Linuxtag *gggg* 22:19 < jose> daja77: what happen ? 22:19 < daja77> the law to protect minors are probably prohibiting distributing cdroms with uncertified games on it 22:21 < jose> holy shit!, that's control! 22:22 < daja77> yeah all in the name of protecting minors, this is _bullshit_ 22:22 < netrunner> maybe we can modify the iso-creator that he puts games on a seperate disc. then we can give them to those that show us their id 22:22 < daja77> or don't distribute any games, or just don't care, which I prefer 22:23 < netrunner> daja: not to care can get quite problematic... 22:24 < netrunner> they'll get a supporting lobby soon - the lobby of game industry that do not like free games anyway. 22:24 < jose> daja77: which games does rock bring anyway ? 22:25 < daja77> netrunner: I guess you are wrong the game industry doesn't like these laws as well 22:25 < daja77> jose: lots, ask kasc for details 22:30 < kasc> jose: we have about 49 single games and two game bundles 22:32 < kasc> if we distribute _any_ of them on a CD or have them on a public avaliabe box for testing without the whole distribution being certified (costs around 1000 EUR), we can be seriously punished (50000 EUR and more) 22:32 < netrunner> so what do you think, move all games to an seperate iso automatically, and let the last iso be downloadable only. 22:32 < daja77> kasc: so we don't give cds to minors, right? 22:33 < netrunner> then if someone wants to install games, he sucks the missing iso from a defined point, burns it and fine. 22:33 < kasc> netrunner: downloadeable isos are not a problem, but we may not include games on pressed CDs 22:33 < netrunner> kasc: you did not follow my red line. 22:33 < daja77> kasc: we don't have pressed cds, we have burned cds 22:33 < netrunner> kasc: create isos. just normal. only the packages are sorted in a way that games and only games are on the last cd 22:33 < kasc> daja77: whatever 22:34 < kasc> netrunner: that could be a solution 22:34 < netrunner> kasc: and then just suply a link to the last iso maybe with a pointer to the new law. 22:34 < kasc> but of course this would partially make the testversion of rock less attractive 22:35 < daja77> kasc: again a unix without games is not complete 22:35 < esden> I think that this is also interesting for us : https://lists.debian.org/debian-events-eu/2003/debian-events-eu-200304/msg00045.html 22:36 < kasc> esden: that one from my mail? ;-) 22:36 < daja77> O_o this is the mail we already talk about 22:36 < esden> ohh ... you posted it ... sorry 22:36 < jose> clear 22:37 < daja77> hi esden btw 22:37 * daja77 kicking some stuff 22:37 < Mike1> hi esdy 22:37 * Mike1 kicking daja77 22:37 < esden> sorry ... I am pretty uninformed today ... I am only barely on the net today .. I have to learn for an exam today 22:37 < Mike1> daja77: sorry i couldn't resist it 22:37 < esden> but nonetheless ... it really sux!!! 22:38 < daja77> esden: full ack 22:38 < daja77> Mike1: :ppp 22:38 < netrunner> esden: go back to your book! 22:38 < esden> netrunner: :P 22:39 < esden> netrunner: you too!!! 22:40 < tcr> hmm 22:40 < tcr> I suggest the following: 22:41 < netrunner> esden. just printing the solutions for tomorrows exam ;) 22:42 < tcr> 2/3 of all cds exclude games, 1/3 include them. At linuxtag there are certainly people who know better about laws etc, they should be asked what's really going on, and what we can/should do. Those Cds with games are only given to people who can identify themselves to be over 18. 22:42 < tcr> I think that's a good compromise, isn't it? 22:43 < daja77> tcr: this might be harder than you think 22:43 < kasc> i'm not sure if that would be a legal way 22:43 < kasc> i'll try to get some Information, maybe even membership with USK eV 22:44 < daja77> waaah 22:45 < tcr> daja77: Why? 22:47 < netrunner> would it be so hard to move all game gems to the last cd? 22:47 < tcr> kasc: Might be not really legal, but it's a good compromise 22:47 < daja77> hmm we'd even have to throw out kde-games and gnome-games (btw do we have the bsdgames package) 22:47 < netrunner> tcr: it's legal, as long as you do not distribute them. 22:47 < tcr> daja77: yeh, I think so 22:48 < jose> I bet you have not NEVER seen something like this: tuxtype 22:48 < tcr> netrunner: ??? I'm talking about my suggestion 22:48 < jose> s/not// 22:49 < kasc> tcr: the problem is that if anyone of those decides to tell the police about that, we might have to face serious punishment 22:50 < tcr> kasc: Well, but we distribute games only to _adults_. Sure the law even prohibits that? 22:50 < daja77> kasc: well before punishment there is a trial, remember 22:50 < kasc> tcr: i am not sure, yet. and exactly that is the problem 22:51 < tcr> Well, if it's called Jugendschutz ... 22:51 < kasc> if we can get a lawyer to give us something written that this would be legal it's no problem 22:51 < daja77> kasc: I really like to face that trial, let's raise funds like the americans did in the file share trials, if we really get punished 22:52 < daja77> kasc: nope, you can't get a lawyer, writing something for you, saying you are not guilty 22:52 < kasc> we should also talk to the EFF and maybe the CCC for assistance 22:53 < daja77> kasc: you considered joining the discussion on the debian-list, I mean I don't like them very much, but we could stand together in that issue 22:53 < tcr> I wouldn't stall about that at all.. 22:53 < daja77> ack 22:53 < tcr> What's so wrong on my suggestion? I clearly said, that we should ask someone at Linuxtag 22:54 < kasc> i know a debian developer. Maybe i can ask him to keep me informed 22:54 < daja77> yeah make it so 22:54 < tcr> And, assumming, that guy will say, it'd be illegal to distribute games even to adults (who ensured to be over 18), then we still have the possibility to drop it 22:55 < rolla> what are you guys talking about? 22:55 < daja77> german overregulations :(( 22:55 < tcr> rolla: some nasty law that prohibits distributing games for sake of child protection 22:56 < rolla> in DE? 22:56 < daja77> yes 22:56 < rolla> and I thought we had dumb rules 22:56 < rolla> does it say what kind of games? 22:56 < daja77> any uncertified game 22:56 < rolla> so tuxracer 22:57 < tcr> rolla: One or two years ago, there has been some crazy pupil who killed himself and about one dozen other people at a school. Since then, the politicians have been behaving totally overreacted, well, I think you know that crap best yourself as american.. 22:57 < rolla> yeah I thought was last year 22:57 < daja77> has no certificate which says for which age it si suitable 22:57 < rolla> like tuxracer 22:57 < rolla> it has no cert 22:58 < daja77> yes 22:58 < rolla> so a kid who had guns legally was driven to kill by games? 22:58 < daja77> nah not really but creating new laws is easier than thinking 22:59 < rolla> I thought he went nuts cause he failed out of school 22:59 < rolla> thye ough to make failing a kid illegal it would stop them from possibley killing people 22:59 < tcr> rolla: roughly, right 22:59 < daja77> he went nuts, cos he failed and had no certification at all 23:00 < rolla> daja77: I have tried to understnad germans schools but they make my head hurt ;) 23:00 < rolla> I don't know what it means to have no cert atall 23:00 < kasc> he went nuts because of really fucked up educational laws, but its easier for politicans to blame everything on games 23:01 < rolla> kasc: the other problem was if that set him off something else might have done it aslwell 23:01 < daja77> rolla: it means that you are a sort of nobody, co you can't claim any kind of education 23:01 < tcr> rolla: Well, our school system is about becoming what the one in US already is.. 23:01 < rolla> like a girl leaving him or the what now 23:01 < rolla> s/now/not/ 23:01 < tcr> rolla: certification is everything what counts here. Well, except you got a father with wide relations 23:02 < tcr> And that's not bad, actually! 23:02 * kasc is off digging through USK's site 23:02 * daja77 writing to local newsgroup to inform local orga team about this crap 23:03 < rolla> oh well guess it it time to vote green ;) 23:04 < tcr> Not here 23:04 < kasc> rolla: they are pro legalizing THC, not games ;) 23:07 < rolla> THC? 23:07 < rolla> tcr is certification a degree? 23:07 < tcr> Precisely 23:07 < kasc> Haschisch. Hanf. Marihuana (sp?) 23:08 < tcr> marijuana 23:08 < kasc> some somokeable drug ;) 23:08 < kasc> smokeable, either 23:08 < rolla> well then don't vote for the greens 23:09 * netrunner off getting sleep for exam 23:09 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FEFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:10 < tcr> Hmm, daja77? 23:11 < daja77> tcr: ? 23:12 -!- baka-chibi [blindcoder@p50801E59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:12 < tcr> daja77: Could you please send an email to the ml, and elaborate what I suggested. I still can't send mails via the freemail provider I use (though I'm about moving to a private fiend's one) 23:13 < daja77> tcr: hmm don't you think kasc should articulate himself, before I comment them 23:13 < daja77> him 23:13 < rolla> tcr can you not put a warning that if you are under 18 to not play the games 23:13 < tcr> Well, just send that as 'a result/outcome of a short discussion in IRC' 23:14 < baka-chibi> that's not enough 23:14 < rolla> ? 23:14 < baka-chibi> please read my mail about the games. 23:14 < daja77> rolla: nope, it is illegal to distribute uncertified games on cdrom >_< 23:14 * daja77 checking mail 23:14 < tcr> daja77: But also say that kay is still researching about it 23:14 < tcr> brb 23:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9E49331.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Mess with the best, die like the rest!") 23:14 < kasc> someone would always have to be near the text boxes and verify the passports of everyone even looking on the screen 23:15 < baka-chibi> unfortunately, that would have to be the case 23:15 < rolla> daja77: what a crock of shit 23:16 < daja77> rolla: full ack 23:16 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9E490A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:16 < rolla> so I could write a guess the number game and put it on cd and be taken to court for it? 23:16 < baka-chibi> yes 23:17 < baka-chibi> in theory, that is 23:17 < daja77> rolla: you could be a certification for 1000 Euro, than you are allowed to distribute 23:17 * tcr wants to remind all germans that common culture evening's programm is on TV: Harald Schmidt! 23:18 < baka-chibi> tcr: go screw yourself... Harald Schmidt... I know why I don't own a TV 23:18 < daja77> tcr: thx need to think of other things, otherwise I'd shoot someone *aargh* 23:18 < rolla> daja77: what a bunch of shit 23:18 < tcr> baka-chibi: Muhaha, you're such blasphemiant 23:18 < tcr> a 23:18 < rolla> I am thinking someone needs to make a simple game like that and give it away on cd and wait for these dumb ass politicans to take him to court 23:18 < baka-chibi> tcr: just because I don't join the "Nationale Volksverbloedung"? 23:19 < rolla> prove how dumb that law is 23:19 < baka-chibi> orlthe EU is already investigating that law 23:19 < daja77> rolla: ack this would be really good 23:19 < tcr> baka-chibi: With Harald Schmidt? 23:19 < baka-chibi> because germany isn't allowed to create such a law without the EU 23:19 < baka-chibi> so htere are two possibilities 23:19 < daja77> thank god for the eu! 23:19 < baka-chibi> a) germany will be forced to negate the law 23:19 < baka-chibi> or b) the EU adopts the law 23:20 < daja77> baka-chibi: hehe I really don't believe in b), the eu has been saner in the past than germany 23:20 < rolla> baka-chibi: one can only hope that choice a is the one 23:20 < tcr> Harald Schmidt is, besides Star Trek, Tagesschau and several political (satire) series, what I actually watch on a regular basis, that's it 23:20 < daja77> rolla: I bet on this 23:20 < baka-chibi> most of the civilized world has been saner than .de 23:21 < rolla> baka-chibi: that is not true in some cases 23:21 < baka-chibi> tcr: I really feel sorry for you. And yes, I'm a trekkie. 23:21 < baka-chibi> rolla: there is no rule. without exception. 23:21 < daja77> rolla: speaking of america? *gg* 23:21 < rolla> ;) 23:21 < baka-chibi> daja77: that's why I said _civilized_ world 23:22 < rolla> baka-chibi: that hurt 23:22 < baka-chibi> rolla: it's not your fault if you're living there 23:22 < tcr> baka-chibi: I really feel sorry for you and your naivity and 'pauschalität'. TV is indeed factor number one causing Volksverdummung, but on the other side is one of the best possible information ressource that exists 23:22 < baka-chibi> tcr: I prefer radio 23:22 < rolla> baka-chibi: :P 23:23 < rolla> Volksverdummung? the dumbing of the people? 23:23 < baka-chibi> tcr: accessible anytime, anymhere and no need to sit in front of it all day 23:23 < tcr> rolla: ya 23:23 < baka-chibi> rolla: yeah 23:23 < Mike1> ni hao ma baka-chibi 23:23 < rolla> so my german is not so bad :) 23:23 < baka-chibi> hi Mike1 23:23 * baka-chibi going to bed now 23:23 < Mike1> oyasumi nasai baka-chibi 23:23 < baka-chibi> this box is driving me nuts and I'm sleepy... 23:23 < daja77> rolla: like to read the german mail about this topic? 23:23 < tcr> baka-chibi: Much really content spare 23:23 < rolla> nacht bac 23:23 < baka-chibi> n8 everyone 23:24 < rolla> daja77: is it not all in german? 23:24 < daja77> n8 blindy 23:24 < tcr> Much sparer on content 23:24 < tcr> that's what I wanted to say 23:24 < Mike1> daja77: not blindy, baky!\ 23:24 < rxr> re 23:24 < rolla> re Mike1 23:24 < Mike1> re rxr, rolla 23:24 < daja77> rolla: a short english introduction is there 23:24 < daja77> re rxr 23:24 < rolla> I am going to chuck all the alphas out of the house and stand up the U10 23:24 < rolla> daja77: sure send it my way 23:25 < tcr> baka-chibi: gn8. But we have to talk about that anytime soon again ;) 23:26 < tcr> netrunner: ping 23:26 < tcr> arghs 23:27 < tcr> netrunner: I don't mean you, don't feel disturb *g* 23:27 < tcr> kasc: ping 23:30 < daja77> kasc felt in love with usk *ggg* 23:31 < rxr> rolla: what are you doing? 23:32 < rolla> ? 23:32 < rolla> right now 23:33 < tcr> What you're going to do with your alphas, I think 23:33 < rolla> trash can I think I am sick of them 23:33 < rolla> damn kernels 23:34 < rxr> no - with the alphas you are writting above 23:34 < rolla> trash can I think I am sick of them 23:34 < rolla> no 2.4 kernels will boot so I cannot get defs to work 23:34 < daja77> rolla: send them over to rxr and me ;) 23:34 < rolla> so i cannot build rock 23:34 < rolla> ha ha 23:34 < rolla> shipping would kill that 23:34 < daja77> 2.4 does boot, wtf 23:34 < rolla> daja77: nein 23:34 < daja77> doesn'T 23:35 < daja77> rolla: damn 23:35 < rxr> erm before they will end in the trash, you could send them over ... 23:35 < daja77> rxr: ahem you seem to be tired 23:35 < rolla> :) 23:36 < tcr> Who does not? 23:36 < tcr> Heh, ibm advertising is mostly quite funny 23:37 < rxr> daja77: nope the wlan was quite slow here - this is why my stuff appeared after yours ... 23:37 < daja77> oh 23:40 < rolla> bye all 23:40 < rolla> ttyl 23:40 < daja77> hmm thinking it over Linux is the best computer game I know, .oO that'd we have to stop distributing at all... 23:40 < n00kie> Sleep well rolla 23:40 < daja77> bye rolla 23:41 < rolla> n00kie: not sleep time 23:41 < rolla> time to leave work :) 23:41 < daja77> :) 23:41 < n00kie> ah, hehe :) 23:44 < tcr> Hmm... 23:44 < tcr> What's up with rocklinux.de? 23:44 < daja77> it is down since two weeks iirc 23:44 < kasc> just sent a mail to usk.de. Hope they will answer soon 23:44 < daja77> kasc: great 23:45 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:45 < daja77> hey jsaw 23:46 < jsaw> hello. 23:46 < jsaw> hi daja77 23:55 -!- jose [~jose@196.40.45.146] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:57 < kasc> mail to my local bundestags representative sent. 23:57 < kasc> any idea whom to write next? 23:57 < daja77> otto schily 23:58 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:58 < kasc> was the JuSchuG initiated by him? 23:58 < daja77> can't tell for sure, but he is the minister --- Log closed Sat May 24 00:00:01 2003