--- Log opened Fri May 23 00:00:00 2003
--- Day changed Fri May 23 2003
00:20 < rolla> Mike1: ?
00:20 < Mike1> da?
00:20 < rolla> that kernel would not even boot
00:20 < Mike1> mm...
00:20 < rolla> I try again
00:20 < Mike1> ok.
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00:47 < daja77> re
00:49 < Mike1> daja77: 0_o
00:49 < Mike1> hi
00:50 < daja77> Mike1: ?
00:50 < rxr> re
00:50 < daja77> I was at the cinema, now I am back ;)
00:50 < rxr> hi tsa
00:51 < tsa> aah
00:51 < tsa> hi rxr
00:51 < daja77> oh hi rxr
00:51 < jose> this is funny : http://www.securityfocus.com/printable/news/4831
00:51 < tsa> rxr: a shotr patch...via irc..
00:51 < tsa> rxr: nessus 2.0.6
00:51 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch nessus-2.0.6
00:52 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch nessus
00:52 < tsa> would you please.. ?
00:52 < tsa> ;)
00:52 < tsa> (a security-related bug has been found in nessus, otherwise i wouldn't update it..)
00:52 < Mike1> jose: that is _OLD_ news..
00:52 * daja77 still laughing avbout that ms guy with his tablet pcs
00:54 < Mike1> daja77: rxr likes it when you paste patches in a query to him
00:54 < daja77> Mike1: O_o
00:54 < Mike1> s/daja77/tsa
00:54 < Mike1> *g
00:54 < daja77> ic
00:55 < tsa> Mike1: heeh
00:55 < rxr> tsa: ack - in a minute
00:55 * daja77 likes it when ms is demonstrating their failures
00:55 < tsa> ok.
00:55 < Mike1> hi rxr
00:55 < tsa> thanks
00:55 < rxr> daja77: what failures this time ?
00:55 < daja77> the tablet pc is a bad joke
00:56 < daja77> he demonstrated to text recongnition feature, it failed, and he said you can't train it
00:57 < daja77> then he said in the same sentence that you could train the apple newton *rofl*
00:58 < daja77> most of the time he spoke about features which will come in the next version...
00:59 < rolla> Mike1: no joy
00:59 < rolla> I am reinstalling
00:59 < Mike1> rolla: ?
00:59 < Mike1> urrgs
00:59 < rolla> sorry
00:59 < rolla> I will maker sure it is 2.4 kernel
00:59 < Mike1> rolla: will you try what i said 'bf24' ?
00:59 < daja77> bf24?
01:00 < Mike1> daja77: do not worry
01:00 < daja77> hehe i don't...
01:00 < Mike1> :PP
01:00 < rolla> Mike1: that does not work
01:01 < Mike1> rolla: arrgg
01:01 < daja77> ...I will go to bed, I think...
01:02 < rolla> sorry
01:03 < Mike1> rolla: its ok, as long as the thing works with 2.4 i don't care
01:05 < rolla> I hope it does
01:06 < rolla> Mike1: this cd is setup for 2.2.20 :(
01:06 < rolla> I have to use dselect to instal 2.4 kernel
01:06 < daja77> .oO I smell debian *urrrgs*
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01:07 < rolla> yeah bad mojo
01:07 < daja77> 2hi jsaw
01:07 < rxr> tsa: err only 2.0.6a is available on the site ...
01:10 < tsa> ack
01:10 < rolla> debian is such crap
01:12 < daja77> rolla: full ack
01:12 < jsaw> hi all. hi daja77
01:13 < daja77> jsaw: how are you
01:13 < jose> rolla: are you using woody ?, and want to use 2.4 ?, that's what you want ?
01:14 < jsaw> daja77: a bit over-worked, but still fine
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01:16 < daja77> overworked, nice i had too much entertainment today...
01:17 < daja77> hi sl5500
01:17 < jsaw> too much entertainment???
01:18 < daja77> yeah microsoft tablet pc roadshow and cinema ;)
01:21 < jsaw> concerning the first part, in what sense entertaining?
01:22 < daja77> hehe watching an incompetent moron presenting the tablet thingies
01:23 < jsaw> |-]
01:24 < daja77> the important message for me was that it is just a pc, so running an os should be possible ;)
01:25 < daja77> well in first thing worked an crusoe processor, and in the second a pentium III, and win xp is so lame...
01:26 < rxr> daja77: and you havend sent the crusoe based one over?
01:26 < jsaw> I first thought, in "so running an os [...]" there's a "y" missing...
01:26 < jsaw> but no, correct grammar!
01:26 < daja77> jsaw: ???
01:27 < daja77> rxr: no, I could have filled in my address and stuff, for getting the chance of winnig one, but hell I get enough spam mail
01:27 < daja77> winning
01:28 < rxr> daja77: winning? the person had one in his hand, hadn't he?
01:28 < jsaw> daja77: (xp is no OS - or am I wrong here?, so "an os" instead of "any os" is correct)
01:28 < rxr> daja77: isn't this "winning"?
01:28 < daja77> rxr: I couldn't get it, sorry
01:28 < rxr> :-(
01:28 < rxr> crusoe is a nice toy ;-)
01:29 < daja77> that idiot told the whole time that the pentium based is faster (and he mentioned that linus works for transmeta, in a sense that this would be the reason for that slow xp)
01:30 < daja77> yeah sure buy a compaq tablet pc, they have a crusoe
01:31 < daja77> jsaw: you got that wrong, i said installing an os should be possible, I haven't said aynthing about xp there
01:32 < jsaw> daja77: (1. you said running, 2. this
01:34 < daja77> well ok I said running an os, so what I still haven't said anything about xp there, and I don't care what it is running by default ;)
01:34 < jsaw> daja77: "moron" presented XP, or? 3. I tried to be funny... but I was not)
01:35 < daja77> jsaw: ?
01:39 < esden> hi ho
01:39 < esden> ok ... now I have seen matrix reloaded :D
01:39 < tsa> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:39 < esden> very nice 
01:40 < esden> tsa: ?
01:40 < tsa> From: baby_p_nut2@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)
01:40 < tsa> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
01:40 < tsa> Subject: can you boot Windows 2003 on a Sun Fire V65x Server?
01:40 < tsa> Can you boot Windows 2003 on a Sun Fire V65x Server?  I'm trying to
01:40 < tsa> get better performance out of this legacy equipment and MicroSoft says
01:40 < tsa> that Windows 2003 would help.
01:40 < sl5500> ewww
01:40 < esden> lool
01:40 < tsa> *sigh*
01:41 < daja77> tsa: hehe that reminds of a usenet posting...
01:41 < esden> daja77: it is one ;-)
01:41 < daja77> yeah but of another
01:42 < daja77> quote: so goddamn good hardware and then using windows, you are heartless
01:43 * tsa is eating his keyboard.
01:43 < daja77> hehe chocolate keyboard, nice
01:43 < tsa> no.
01:43 < tsa> sun type5.
01:44 < esden> tsa: give her/him a nice answer in fefe style ;-)
01:44 < daja77> esden: full ack
01:44 < esden> go dying ... somewhere else 
01:44 < daja77> and quiet
01:44 < esden> or so
01:44 < tsa> hehe
01:45 < esden> tsa: do it slowly and painfull ;-)
01:45 < daja77> you sometimes says: remove yourself from then mankind's gene pool
01:45 < daja77> s/you/he
01:46 < esden> daja77: yes ... he does ... I would say "darvinase yourself"
01:46 < daja77> hehe yeah even have heard of this
01:46 < esden> hmm ... I hoped that it was my invention :-(
01:47 < daja77> "Bitte begeben sie sich zum Zwecke der Selbstentleibung zur zweiten Tür links"
01:48 < daja77> or so
01:48 < esden> "please use one of futurame suicide booths. and choose slowly and painfull."
01:48 < daja77> yeah
01:48 < esden> -futurama
01:49 < daja77> press the only for idiots button *gg*
01:49 < esden> nice ... I have 4 or so new sigs now ... nice ;-)
01:49 < esden> thanks daja77 
01:52 < daja77> np
01:55 * sl5500 looks out the window....it's a nasty storm out there
01:55 < rxr> Committed revision 357.
01:56 < esden> rxr you need a new nickname
01:56 < esden> powercommiter or so
01:56 < rxr> ;-)
01:58 < tsa> hehe
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01:59 < daja77> well if final is released tomorrow...
01:59 < sl5500> 1.6?
02:00 < daja77> *rofl*
02:00 < daja77> sl5500: please read the topic
02:06 < sl5500> yes ic...I was just on an old mirror
02:07 < sl5500> I just started looking at RockLinux, seem to remind me of LFS, in a way
02:07 < daja77> well try the rock 2.0.0beta iso if you like
02:07 < daja77> isos
02:08 < sl5500> well I would actually go4 the noncompiled version
02:08 < daja77> ok
02:08 < sl5500> I'm a slack user btw, is there much difference? aside from the build environment?
02:09 < daja77> O_o I don't know slackware
02:09 < daja77> you'll need devfs support in kernel, this is mandatory
02:09 < sl5500> ahh, it reminds me a bit of it. obviously a different package management, but simple, clean and flexable.
02:09 < sl5500> ahh so devfs is now the way to go..ic
02:10 < daja77> so I guess you have to recompile your kernel
02:10 * sl5500 doesn't know if I like devfs....
02:11 < daja77> well you'll probably need devfsd as well, otherwise your initscripts fail
02:11 < sl5500> that probably also means that some of my kernel modules fail too...
02:12 < daja77> no
02:12 < sl5500> well for the devfs registration
02:12 < daja77> no problem with that
02:12 < rolla> Mike1: ?
02:12 < Mike1> jo
02:13 < rolla> the install is going well
02:13 < rolla> 2.4.20 kernel is installed
02:13 < Mike1> and running?
02:13 < rolla> there was a setting I had to do which might have caused us trouble
02:13 < rolla> Mike1: not yet
02:13 < Mike1> i see.
02:13 < rolla> packages still installing
02:13 < rolla> I will reinstall woden later to same spec
02:13 < rolla> == 19:06:59 =[5]=> Building gnome2/libgnomeuimm14 [1.3.16 2.0.0-beta3].
02:13 < Mike1> good
02:13 < rolla> ;)
02:14 < daja77> rolla: you are installing woden, really?
02:14 < rolla> no I have box named woden
02:14 < rolla> after mike of courser
02:14 < daja77> hehe
02:14 < daja77> I could name my hp box rolla *gg*
02:15 < daja77> *damnit* I really should write that howto
02:16 < sl5500> humm, does ne1 know what arch dependancies rocklinux has?
02:16 < daja77> ne1?
02:16 < rolla> daja77: I have had servers named after me before
02:16 < sl5500> sorry, ne1 = anyone
02:16 < rolla> daja77: mike.maisenhelder.net ;)
02:17 < daja77> sl5500: define arch depencies
02:17 < daja77> rolla: hmm rolla.j-net would be nice
02:17 < rolla> j-net?
02:17 < daja77> my local domain...
02:18 < sl5500> daja77: ok it works on ix86, Alpha, PowerPC, Sparc, and MIPS...
02:18 < rolla> :)
02:18 < daja77> well I used it when I was at my parents...
02:18 < Mike1> i gtg will come back in some hours
02:18 < daja77> Mike1: bye
02:19 < daja77> sl5500: yeah but I dunno the status of Alpha, Sparc and Mips Port
02:19 < rolla> bye
02:19 < sl5500> daja77: I was just wondering what would be involved in a port..is most of it done in shell?
02:19 < daja77> gn8 rolla :)
02:20 < sl5500> bye rolla
02:20 < sl5500> daja77: or am I missing something here....
02:20 < daja77> sl5500: the build scripts are written in bash
02:21 < daja77> I don't get you
02:21 < tsa> cu all
02:21 < daja77> cu tsa
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02:21 * daja77 should go too
02:22 < daja77> sl5500: bye cu later, have to go to bed now
02:22 < sl5500> bye daja77
02:22 < esden> ci daja77 
02:22 < esden> s/ci/cu/
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03:55 < rolla> Mike1: ?
03:59 < rolla> anyone speak greek?
04:04 < mnemoc> not me
04:07 < navs> how can I just rebuild a single package? in the installation
04:07 < navs> i was doing Build-Target and coreutils failed
04:09 < mnemoc> ./script/Build-Target -job <stage>-<package>
04:09 < navs> and it will know the prefix and everything?
04:10 < mnemoc> everything :) that's because you are useing Build-Target and not Build-Pkg
04:10 < navs> oic thanks
04:10 < mnemoc> wellcome
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06:43 < blindcoder> moin
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07:44 < Mike1> moin blindy
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07:48 < blindcoder> moin Mike1
07:48 < blindcoder> Mike1: awake this early/late?
08:30 < netrunner> moin
08:32 < blindcoder> moin netrunner
08:33 < netrunner> crap ... I forgot to switch on my building machine at home. note to self: activate wol
08:37 < blindcoder> hehe
08:37 < blindcoder> wake on lan is corrupt in my BIOS
08:37 < blindcoder> I just found that out this morning (after 4 days >_<)
08:37 < blindcoder> Each time the DSL-Modem hang up (Telekom disconnect) the BIOS reboots >_<
08:37 < blindcoder> *the BIOS causes a reboot
08:48 < blindcoder> rxr: here?
09:17 < daja77> re
09:18 < blindcoder> moin daja77
09:18 < daja77> moin blindcoder
09:21 < _NULL_> morning *yaaaaaaawn*
09:22 < netrunner> moin daja77, _NULL_
09:22 < _NULL_> hi netrunner
09:33 < rxr> hi blindcoder
09:34 < rxr> re
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09:37 < netrunner> rxr: am I right that there exist 2 trees for 2.0? your svn and cliffords cvs? And that they are not always synced?
09:39 < blindcoder> rxr: I'm currently writing tons of config.hlp entries and files. You want them? :-)
09:46 < rxr> blindcoder: _yes_
09:46 < rxr> netrunner: not exactly - currently we have svn and cvs (and syncing often takes some days)
09:47 < rxr> but mine is the official stable tree repository - and cliffs cvs is the former devel tree which will forked to 2.1 later
09:47 < rxr> but clifford also thinks about using svn on my server so for 2.1 we have stable 2.0 and devel 2.1 on the same subversion server
09:47 < blindcoder> rxr: hehe, thought so :-) Will send a patch once complete
09:48 < netrunner> rxr: I am just thinking about the bootdisk-dietlibc problem you said that clifford fixed, yesterday it still failed using your repository.
09:49 < blindcoder> rxr: what is Multi-Lib support ???
09:54 < rxr> support for mulitple versions of the same library with different features. (mostly libc) e.g. 32bit and 64bit version of the same lib on SPARC or x86_64 - or a Flooting-Point and FP-less version for i386 and so on ...
09:55 < blindcoder> ah I see
09:55 < blindcoder> btw
09:56 < blindcoder> misc/config/config-games.in still has shebang in it :-)
09:56 < blindcoder> I just noticed it
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10:10 < kasc> moin
10:11 < rxr>  hi kasc
10:12 < blindcoder> moin kasc
10:15 < kasc> why doesnt anyone just switch off that weather?
10:15 < blindcoder> hrm
10:16 < blindcoder> because it's dry, it doesn't rain and it's not too hold nor too cold?
10:17 < kasc> isnt dry here, too cold for this time of year and is simply ugly
10:19 < blindcoder> hrm... okay
10:21 < kasc> some more light would be great, too
10:24 * blindcoder hands kasc a flashlight
10:40 < blindcoder> phew
10:40 < blindcoder> we _do_ have a _lot_ of config.in files >_<
10:44 < kasc> thx
10:45 < kasc> thats good, isnt it? :p
10:48 < _NULL_> why should it be good?
10:49 < _NULL_> kasc: and: the weather is great - fit's prefect for using train (which is not air-conditioned)
10:53 < kasc> _NULL_: because i cant motivate myself to go outside that way
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10:54 < _NULL_> kasc: this is not caused by the weather but by the fact that you're a lazy student...
10:54 < blindcoder> kasc: it'd be good if there were just as much config.hlp files >_<
10:56 < _NULL_> someone know where i can upload a 527 mb .iso file ?
10:56 < blindcoder> _NULL_: send it to yourself at bingo via email
10:57 < _NULL_> blindcoder: why this?
10:57 < _NULL_> i don't need it... i have it on my notebook...
10:57 < blindcoder> _NULL_: so why do you want to upload it o_O
10:58 < _NULL_> blindcoder: to release a system which can be used to build erebos
10:58 < blindcoder> hrm
10:58 < _NULL_> (for someone, who doesn't want to update the system and so)
11:00 < _NULL_> hrm?
11:01 < blindcoder> iso.rocklinux.de :D
11:01 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *g* nah :p
11:08 < _NULL_> *grml* my PC at work is crashing again and again...
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11:15 < zer0_o> hi all
11:15 < zer0_o> does anyone ever had compressed a avi file with mencoder ?
11:16 < zer0_o> _NULL_: maybe kicking the pc will help..
11:18 < blindcoder> yes, here
11:18 < zer0_o> a colleague of mine had problems with a compaq server, it seemed, the pc won't boot anymore, after 11 trys he got angry and kickt it, then it booted ;)
11:18 < blindcoder> hehe
11:18 < _NULL_> zer0_o: *ouch* but mine is a dell... and quite old... (and: dammit. it hase 600 mhz)
11:19 < zer0_o> blindcoder: avi in xvid ? =)))
11:19 < blindcoder> zer0_o: mencoder -o myfile.avi -ovc divx uncompressed.avi
11:19 < blindcoder> zer0_o: hrm...
11:19 < zer0_o> i get an error =( Error: option 'lavcopts' has no suboption 'codec'
11:21 < zer0_o> oops, now i get: No audio encoder (-oac) selected.
11:21 < zer0_o> btw. _NULL_ 600MHz does just fine for me =)
11:21 < blindcoder> -oac copy
11:21 < blindcoder> should be fine most of the time
11:22 < blindcoder> or -oac mp3
11:22 < zer0_o> is there 'ogg' too ?
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11:25 < blindcoder> phew, I'm done
11:25 < blindcoder> dunno
11:26 < blindcoder> haven't you tried soac help?
11:26 < blindcoder> -oac help?
11:27 < zer0_o> blindcoder: can you send me '.mplayer/mencoder' i've got no such conf-file .. maybe it doesn't run because of that..
11:31 < blindcoder> I don't have one either and it works fine
11:32 < blindcoder> have you done -oac help to see which codecs ar available?
11:40 < zer0_o> =( i work in the hotline this week ...
11:40 < zer0_o> it just sscks .. =P sorry =P
11:47 < blindcoder> I'm there, too , so don't whine :P
11:52 < zer0_o> =P where, i call you and ask dumb questions ;)
11:56 < blindcoder> rxr: patch is out :-)
11:56 < blindcoder> zer0_o: Siemens Munich
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11:59 < zer0_o> really?
11:59 < blindcoder> hi Ge0rG
11:59 < zer0_o> we are siemens partner =P
11:59 < blindcoder> zer0_o: yeah, why?
11:59 < Ge0rG> hiho :)
11:59 < blindcoder> zer0_o: hehe
12:01 < zer0_o> i go having lunch. cul
12:01 < _NULL_> bye zer0_o . guten hunger
12:02 < zer0_o> danke =)
12:02 < blindcoder> zer0_o: an guadn
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12:06 < rxr> blindcoder: nice
12:08 < blindcoder> rxr: I might have missed one or two of kasc's packages cause their no longer in my local tree. But that should be abut it
12:11 < blindcoder> GAH
12:12 < blindcoder> The customers here are too stupid to WRITE
12:13 < _NULL_> blindcoder: *gggg* what did they do?
12:13 < blindcoder> they sent a change-request
12:13 < blindcoder> then I processed it
12:14 < blindcoder> and then I could about a dozen calls why I added Mister FOO instead of Mister FOOO (note the one additional character)
12:14 < blindcoder> and they complain about _us_ being too stupid to notice spelling errors on their side.
12:14 < blindcoder> Come on, sorry I'm not telepathic
12:15 < blindcoder> nor can I smell spelling errors on a paper
12:15 < _NULL_> muhahahahaha!
12:15 < blindcoder> *GRAH*
12:16 < blindcoder> GAH
12:16 < blindcoder> the next change-request is completely unreadable...
12:16 * blindcoder wants to cry
12:17 < _NULL_> *g* poor blindcoder
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12:19 < _NULL_> hi n00kie
12:19 < n00kie> Hola :)
12:19 < n00kie> Hi _NULL_
12:20 < _NULL_> blindcoder: will you be at linuxtag 2003?
12:20 < rxr> blindcoder: is ROCK used at your company ?
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12:34 < blindcoder> rxr: no
12:34 < blindcoder> rxr: because everyone is RedHat Certified
12:35 < rxr> *lol*
12:35 < rxr> blindcoder: I hope it is ok that I reedit the text - adding additional informations and tring to make the text read mor professional ?
12:35 < blindcoder> rxr: sure
12:36 < blindcoder> rxr: most of what I did is ust make-the-sentence-longer-so-it-looks-like-more but I tried to create useful text where I could
12:39 < blindcoder> I think I'll have lunch now
12:39 < blindcoder> bbl
12:40 < _NULL_> blindcoder: guten hunger. cya
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12:53 < _NULL_> hi Parabull_ , weexid
12:53 < weexid> yup
12:53 < weexid> :)
12:53 < weexid> _NULL_: how r u today?
12:55 < _NULL_> weexid: hm. extremely zombified. thx. and you?
12:55 < weexid> just like yesterday ...
12:56 < _NULL_> hmm.
13:02 < weexid> hmm i need help, when i've done with adding user by useradd command line, and the password on /etc/shadow were unencrypted, how it could be?
13:04 < _NULL_> AAAAAAARGH! wtf is going on with cvs-./scripts/Download...???
13:05 < rxr> weexid: maybe some syntax or permission error with /etc/shadow ?
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13:13 < rxr> so svn now installed on my Ultra5 - co running ;-)
13:13 < rxr> Committed revision 360.
13:14 < _NULL_> rxr: why is gcc-2 in rock, btw?
13:15 < rxr> for reference reasons - or other special purpose reasons. E.g. it is still faster - and the first 3.0.x versions failed for some architectures.
13:15 < _NULL_> i c. ok. thx.
13:16 < rxr> sick from lfs? Comming back to ROCK ?
13:17 < _NULL_> rxr: nope. just abusing ./scripts/Download -repository base for getting the latest sources... and - i'm deeply fallen in love with LFS... and in the intranet at work you already can find a erebos-2003-05-23.iso - which is a minimalistic LFS-based and some modifications done by me, iso. :p
13:18 < _NULL_> so... it looks bad for rock... very bad...
13:22 < rxr> *lol*
13:22 < _NULL_> rxr: ?
13:24 < rxr> me hiding because of the all-mighty erebos ...
13:25 < rxr> when do you estimate to have eberos in a shape similar ro ROCK-current? Four years ?
13:26 < _NULL_> rxr: nope. one year.
13:26 < rxr> incl cross building and multi-architecture support ?
13:26 < _NULL_> rxr: no multi-architecture support.
13:26 < _NULL_> cross building...?
13:27 < rxr> building on a fast x86 for a e.h. ppc embedded device or so ...
13:28 < _NULL_> hmm... also not planned...
13:28 < _NULL_> (yet)
13:29 < rxr> you really think it is worth a human-year just to create yet another source-build-kit-whatever when you have ROCK today ?
13:30 < _NULL_> yes. and: i guess i will not be alone... there will be at least 2 people at erebos.
13:30 < rxr> an those are ?
13:30 < rxr> +d
13:30 < _NULL_> and - imho the most important thing is the base... the graphical stuff etc. can be build by the user...
13:30 < _NULL_> rxr: my bf and /me
13:31 < _NULL_> maybe a third person. (a  friend of /me =
13:31 < rxr> you will not have X gnome kde whatever packages and expect all this to be done on each box by the user/admin ?
13:31 < blindcoder> lme back
13:32 < rxr> (manually ?
13:32 < rxr> )
13:32 < tfing> hi all
13:33 < _NULL_> and: maybe a 4th person (security) will attend
13:33 < blindcoder> _NULL_: so what will be different in erebos from current distros?
13:34 < blindcoder> _NULL_: _why_ use it?
13:34 < blindcoder> _NULL_: "because I made it" isn't really an argument, you know
13:34 < _NULL_> rxr: yes. i won't release isos which include the fat X11 whatever stuff
13:34 < tfing> rxr: is it me or you did not apply my update for mldonkey ?
13:34 < _NULL_> blindcoder: it's not ready yet. and i'm too lazy to explain the stuff i'm currently doing
13:34 < rxr> _NULL_: yeah - much fun
13:34 < _NULL_> rxr: why this sarcasm?
13:35 < _NULL_> just because i'm not comming back to rock?
13:35 < rxr> _NULL_: because I really do not get the benefit in tinkering one year for only the bare base when we have such a superb dist here ... ;-)
13:35 < blindcoder> _NULL_: no. because he already knows the difficulties and amount of work needed to do someting like that.
13:36 < rxr> blindcoder: ac
13:36 < rxr> +k
13:36 < rxr> tfing: mom
13:36 < _NULL_> rxr: superb dist here? *looking*
13:37 < rxr> _NULL_: maybe you should /join a #eberos channel to ask you "argh why does xyz not compile questions there" ...
13:37 < rxr> tfing: you mean the one from "03/17" ?
13:37 < _NULL_> rxr: nack.
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13:38 < tfing> rxr: from 05/20
13:38 < rxr> tfing: what subject ?
13:38 < tfing> Subject: [patch] update mldonkey & new bitlbee
13:38 < tfing> you even answered my mail
13:39 < rxr> ah private not on the list ;-)
13:39 < tfing> yes :)
13:41 < rxr> tfing: applied now
13:41 < rxr> _NULL_: why nack ?
13:41 < tfing> ok, thx
13:42 < _NULL_> rxr: because "why does this and this fail" is not distribution-specific
13:42 < rxr> Committed revision 362.
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13:45 < rxr> Committed revision 363.
13:46 < blindcoder> rxr: your definately too fast with new revs :-)
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13:49 < blindcoder> hrm
13:50 < blindcoder> that happens if you say someone what you think
13:50 < blindcoder> and I just told her that if she doesn't like ROCK then she is free to go...
13:50 < blindcoder> brb
13:51 < rxr> yes - this "I need my own dist to satisfy my ego" thing is strange ...
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13:52 < rxr> hi _NULL_
13:52 < _NULL_> sorry. forget to say: bye. i'm also not present on #rocklinux anymore. if someone wants to have contact, join #anarchy
13:52 < _NULL_> adios
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13:54 < rxr> ....
13:54 < rxr> why doesn't she get that implicately saying ROCK sucks all the time is not the best to do on a #
13:54 < rxr> rocklinux channel ... ?!?
13:55 < blindcoder> because she doesn't understand a lot of things.... at least that's the impression I get from talking to her regularly
13:56 < blindcoder> for example she doesn't understand why everyone doesn't get depressed about politicians doing wrong things and campanies laboring against linux
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14:22 < daja77> re
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14:27 < daja77> .oO you tried to critize _NULL_ *gggg*
14:27 < blindcoder> daja77: what do you wean... _tried_? DID it :D
14:28 < daja77> hehe ok, well...
14:29 < daja77> well we'll see...
14:30 < blindcoder> yeah
14:30 * daja77 playing with his new toy
14:30 < blindcoder> which?
14:31 < daja77> a usb "verteiler" for my laptop
14:31 < blindcoder> nice
14:32 < daja77> yeah especially if only have one port as default ;)
14:33 < blindcoder> yeah ;)
14:33 < daja77> now I have four ports, which means mouse, palm docking station, flash card reader, could be plugged in at once and still a port open *yes*
14:34 < blindcoder> the last port would be occupied by my wrist-watch :)
14:34 < daja77> hmm nice
14:34 < blindcoder> to be delivered today or Monday (depends on UPS >_<)
14:36 < daja77> UPS & co suck a lot
14:36 < blindcoder> yeah
14:37 < blindcoder> but I'm really looking forward to that gadget :D
14:38 < daja77> :)
14:40 < rxr> hi daja77
14:40 < rolla> re
14:40 < daja77> hi rxr
14:40 < daja77> rxr: how are you?
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14:40 < rxr> oh well
14:40 < rxr> and you ?
14:40 < rolla> rxr: I finally have packages failing :(
14:40 < daja77> fine a bit tired...
14:47 < daja77> rxr: I hope you do not plan to include rc3 into beta?
14:51 < rxr> daja77: yes -beta4
14:52 < daja77> :(
14:52 < rxr> daja77: why? -beta3 is already tagged
14:53 < daja77> yeah I should test the isos I made, I guess ...
15:01 < rxr> daja77: would be nice
15:01 < rxr> the ISOs are from rev ?
15:01 < daja77> 342
15:01 < daja77> afaik
15:03 < daja77> ... the builds take more time than the commits...
15:04 * blindcoder building 347 + own patches :)
15:04 < rxr> daja77: no problem - I know
15:04 < daja77> :)
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15:13 < esden> blindcoder: it is pretty strange that mozilla is not building on your machine ... here it is compiling
15:14 < blindcoder> esden: hmm... it doesn't compile since some time
15:14 < blindcoder> haven't had time to look into it
15:14 < rxr> oh my
15:14 < rxr> I had to tell Jocelyn to announce ROCK on freshmeat four (!!) times or soe
15:14 < rxr> now she did it and did not even include a basic changes summary
15:15 < blindcoder> jsdtoa.c:1874: unable to find a register to spill in class `AREG'
15:15 < blindcoder> hrm... interesting
15:15 < esden> hugh ?
15:15 < blindcoder> that's the message I get in 5-mozzilla.err
15:16 < blindcoder> jsdtoa.c:1874: confused by earlier errors, bailing out
15:18 < daja77> hehe my favourite gcc error message *ggg*
15:18 < blindcoder> daja77: you know that one?
15:19 < daja77> confused by earlier errors, sure but only from my code ;)
15:19 < blindcoder> hrm
15:20 < daja77> blindcoder: it only means that there are too much error to continue sane parsing, the errors you are looking for should be above that line
15:36 < blindcoder> hrm.... interesting
15:37 < daja77> btw this is sometimes caused by typos...
15:37 < blindcoder> daja77: but why does it compile at esden and not here
15:39 < daja77> blindcoder: maybe download error?
15:39 < blindcoder> hmm... checksum was correct
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15:55 < netrunner> argl. I went to the varsity without starting the build-nodes :(
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16:09 < kasc> does anyone in here already use svn?
16:09 < tfing> many i think
16:10 < blindcoder> yeah
16:10 * blindcoder does
16:10 * kasc just noticed the topic %-)
16:10 < daja77> kasc: yeah sure, you don't *gg*
16:13 < kasc> rock-trunk is the most recent one?
16:14 < rxr> kasc: yes
16:14 < rxr> it is the official stable tree
16:17 < kasc> but i still cant apply the patches for my repos myself, can i?
16:17 < blindcoder> no, you can't
16:19 < rxr> kasc: theoretically yes
16:19 < kasc> but?
16:19 < rxr> kasc: I do not yet want to start to play with "write access for maintainer" because I do not want to risk to destablize
16:20 < kasc> ic
16:20 < kasc> does svn make anything easier for me?
16:20 < rolla> yes
16:21 < rxr> I can control access by directory - and even per file content (e.g. parsing the [M] tag ;-)
16:21 < rxr> kasc: when you want to contribute to the stable tree it is nearly your only choise anyway ... :-( (or ;-)
16:22 < rxr> and maybe the 2.1 devel tree will also move to subversion.
16:22 < rxr> and we'll open write access for maintainers that are known to contribute useful code ;-)
16:25 < kasc> uh oh *g*
16:26 < rxr> kasc: ?
16:27 < kasc> oh, nothing ;)
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16:45 < rxr> so I now updated xine myself
16:45 * rxr wanna watch the matrix trailer lying on the HD for weeks
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17:06 < tcr> moin all
17:09 < daja77> moin tcr
17:12 < cOdEz> btw: did anyone here read the announcement on freshmeat about rocklinux?
17:13 < tcr> recognized it
17:15 < tcr> cOdEz: Eh, do you have an account on freshmeat?
17:16 < cOdEz> yeah
17:16 < tcr> Would you mind rating ROCK and dROCK?
17:16 < cOdEz> k of course
17:16 < tfing> i rated rock today :)
17:22 < cOdEz> so
17:22 < cOdEz> did it
17:22 * cOdEz is away
17:23 < cOdEz> drinking a coffee
17:41 < rxr> cOdEz: yes - any comment abou the announcement =
17:41 < rxr> s/=/?/
17:42 < cOdEz> no
17:42 < cOdEz> it's time to check out drock
17:46 < tcr> rxr: The new design ain't perfect, but it finally turned me liking it! :)
17:46 < tcr> (webdesign)
17:47 < rxr> cOdEz: I thought you might have noticed the missing changelog in the announcement ...
17:47 < rxr> :-((
17:49 < tcr> Yeah, I noticed. rxr: You, as the maintainer, should append such a changelog part when you reminds jocelyn doing a freshmeat announcement
17:49 < tcr> You know best what's appropriate for each release..
17:51 < rxr> tcr: I remembered her 4! times ... - she could have either cut'n pasted this from my original mail - or the dRock freshmeat page ....
17:51 < tcr> rxr: Does she know that?
17:53 < rxr> tcr: when you take a look she managed to do so for the -beta release
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17:54 < tcr> Hmm... strange..
17:54 < rxr> (although the -beta text is nothing from me - but her own invention)
17:55 < rxr> the release history of ROCK Linux on freshmeat is really funny - take a look *brrrrrrrr*
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17:55 < toledo> hi all
17:56 * tcr bbl
17:57 < toledo> RockLinux is good ?
18:00 < netrunner> toledo: yep.
18:03 < toledo> is based on Slack ?
18:04 < Mike1> _NO_
18:04 < toledo> before was ??
18:05 < rxr> toledo: befora was ???
18:05 < rxr> ROCK Linux is written from scrarch - it is based on our ideas ;-)
18:05 < netrunner> a lonely kernel. then there was a script to get progs to use with the kernel.
18:07 < Mike1> moin all btw\
18:11 < toledo> anyone is developed RockLinux ?
18:11 < toledo> here..
18:12 * Mike1 is rock dev..
18:12 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
18:12 < Mike1> hi blindy
18:13 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
18:15 < toledo> Mike1 why to use Rock Linux ??
18:15 < Mike1> toledo: hehe.. ok here i go:
18:17 < Mike1> toledo: in my personal opinion ROCK Linux gives you the oportunity of really understanding the whole OS and the packages that conform it, since i got started in ROCK i realized that my skills were been improved more and more every day which personally gacve me a lot of satisfaction
18:17 < Mike1> ROCK is quite a great distro for doing pretty much anything, our targets system, allows you to create an optimized 'target' to build for anything you need/want
18:18 < toledo> I'm Slack user..
18:18 < Mike1> for example we currently have the desktop target, which a target intended to be for Desktops, enduser stuff, ..
18:18 < rolla> toledo: you are a slacker?
18:18 < Mike1> toledo: the first distro i used was Slackware, back 3.0, but let tell you slackware is quite weaka nd inferior compared to rock
18:19 < Mike1> toledo: with slack you will always have to settle to what comes with it, but with ROCK you are able to modify and build the whole distro as you want
18:19 < Mike1> if you are into embedded systems, you certainly will love it
18:20 < rolla> Mike1: my first was redhat 2.0 :)
18:20 < Mike1> toledo: i am not trying to take away credit for slack guys, but it is just not the same, of course there is several kinds of people with different likes and needs
18:22 < Mike1> toledo: so if you want a distro which brings everything friendly and easy to run may find your self happy with slack or debian, but, if you want to have real control, and make things your self then rock will be the best choice for you
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18:22 < toledo> Mike1 with Slack I can't modify ??
18:22 < Mike1> rolla: i think i have a rh 5.2 original box with cds and manuals laying around
18:23 < Mike1> toledo: you can modify things, but just not in the way you can do in rock, rock is more flexible
18:24 < Mike1> toledo: let me ilustrate you a little bit, are you able to update your slack source anytime, and get it to update your system, witht he latest packages while you are having breakfast?
18:24 < Mike1> toledo: or are you able to tell slackare to build lets say sendmail package with your own configuration
18:25 < Mike1> i mean as in creating your own package..
18:25 < rxr> hi Mike1
18:25 < Mike1> things like that are so damn easy to do in rock
18:25 < Mike1> hi rxr
18:25 < rolla> Mike1: I still have the old cd of linux mirrors
18:25 < navs> what is 'mine' written in?
18:25 < Mike1> rxr: wanna gimme a hand here?
18:25 < rolla> that had slackware redhat and debian all on them
18:25 < rxr> rolla: hehe ;-) /me too
18:26 < rolla> rxr the red set or the blue one?
18:26 < Mike1> navs: c..
18:26 < rxr> rolla: puh - haven't taken a look for a long time ;-)
18:26 < rolla> ":)
18:26 < rolla> I have both still
18:26 < rolla> the one with debian 1.0 on it ;0
18:27 < Mike1> toledo: more questions?
18:27 < navs> Mike1, does it have a package search feature?
18:27 < navs> like emerge -s
18:28 < rxr> navs: sure - called find ;-)
18:28 < blindcoder> rxr: actually, it's "grep" :)
18:28 < rxr> but we could add a wrapper around it if users needs this ;-)
18:28 < Mike1> sure.
18:28 < Mike1> :)
18:28 < rxr> blindcoder: well or a combination of grep and find ;-)
18:28 < blindcoder> rxr: hrm... umkay :-)
18:28 < rolla> Mike1: I have gain another alpha to test with at work
18:29 < Mike1> rolla: you lucky bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:29 < navs> well i was just wondering because, one of the reasons im trying rock is because gentoo's portage system has my cpu at like 100% for just a search
18:29 < rolla> this one is not mine but I can load debian on it and try to get 2.4 kernel to work :(
18:30 * blindcoder doing some more work on the ROCK <--> Irssi communicator :-)
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18:41 < Mike1>     3 root      18  19     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd_CPU0
18:41 < Mike1>     4 root      18  19     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd_CPU1
18:41 < Mike1>     5 root      19  19     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd_CPU2
18:41 < Mike1>     6 root      18  19     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd_CPU3
18:41 < Mike1> uurgg, sorry guys
18:45 < netrunner> hm ... is it bad to mix up stages, or should it be no problem? (like when some packages in 3 have failed, and you are already in stage 5, you start over and he begins with the ones in 3)
18:47 < Mike1> np.
18:47 < Mike1> what packages failed on stage 3 for you btw?
18:48 < netrunner> Mike1: ignore it, I was cluster building locally and forgot to disable tempfs, so gcc (and some others) aborted because no space was left.
18:48 < Mike1> netrunner: hehehe
18:49 < netrunner> only 0/1-mine seems to fail again, because he cannot build libsomething while crossbuilding (which I am not doing)
18:50 < Mike1> mine 0.13 was broken for me..
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18:53 < netrunner> that's the version I have here, do you remember the error?
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18:58 < rxr> netrunner: the mine thing is a known bug of the new libtar - cliff will fix this soon
19:07 < rxr> Sending        package/rene/w32codec/w32codec.conf
19:07 < rxr> Sending        package/rene/w32codec/w32codec.desc
19:07 < rxr> Transmitting file data ..
19:07 < rxr> Committed revision 366.
19:07 < rxr> ^- in the case you wanna wathc quicktime stuff ...
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19:24 < toledo> back
19:25 < toledo> hey Mike1
19:25 < Mike1> welcome back toledo
19:26 < toledo> thanks
19:28 * rolla is bored again
19:28 * Mike1 points his water pistol to rolla... and shoots..
19:32 < rolla> thanks
19:33 < Mike1> rolla: feeling better now?
19:33 < Mike1> *vbeg*
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19:51 < tcr> re all
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19:52 < tcr> oups
20:01 < rxr> damn a patch from 2003-05-03 23:21:31 broke the catedit
20:01 < rxr> why can't people test their patches :-(
20:04 < netrunner> rxr: i promis I will, If I ever reach the level of being able to fix sth faster then sbd else ;)
20:15 < kasc> rxr: because nobody wants to test a patch for over two days (rebuild everything)
20:15 < kasc> hiyas btw
20:18 < netrunner> kasc: I suggest the guys with the big d^Dmachines should give slow guys an account to test. ('made a similar aggreement with esden, yet to be realized)
20:22 < rxr> kasc: nope this is just a utility prog in misc/archive ...
20:24 < kasc> uh, never ever even had a look in there, yet
20:24 < rxr> then read the next rolling ROCK issue ;-)
20:24 < kasc> hehe
20:25 < kasc> i did! several hundred times, but only first page ;-)
20:26 < rxr> kasc: you do not accidently provide full-size screenshots for your article ?
20:27 < kasc> i had them, before i've cut them to fit on the site... maybe i still have them somewhere
20:27 < rxr> kasc: some click to enlarge
20:28 < kasc> i proposed that to clifford, too but didnt get any answer
20:28 < kasc> so i deleted them during my last clean up
20:30 < kasc> nope, all gone
20:34 < tcr> kasc: Have you ever pondered about a special gaming target?
20:34 < rxr> tcr: why? Why do we need a gaming target?
20:34 < rxr> kasc: ok - it is not that important ...
20:35 < tcr> Because it's unique (afaik)?
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20:37 < tcr> kasc: Let me describe a possible end situation (that I'd really like): Having a bootable CD (or more) which boot smoothly, and there's a graphical login where you can choose between all games available on CD (cool would be with description and screenshot). Savegames etc. can be stored at a floppy...
20:39 < kasc> i dont think a gaming target on any architecture can be even half as pleasuring as a gaming console
20:39 < tcr> Well, but it'd be quite close
20:40 < kasc> hmm...
20:41 < rxr> damn the gcc-3.2.3 does not build on SPARC :-(
20:42 < tcr> Maybe you know some gaming freak who would like to do such a thing, kasc.
20:42 < rolla> rxr what kind of sparc are youplaying on?
20:42 < rxr> Ultra5
20:42 < rolla> :)
20:42 < rxr> 270Mhz 128MB RAM ...
20:42 < rolla> are try it with rock or somethign else?
20:43 < rxr> nope ROCK-1.7 already running
20:43 < rxr> gcc-3.2.2 is on the box ...
20:43 < rolla> really
20:43 < rolla> you have iso for this?
20:43 < rxr> root@thesun:/mnt/rock/rock-trunk# cat /etc/VERSION
20:43 < rxr> ROCK Linux 1.7-snapshot (2003/01/28)
20:43 < toledo> wow
20:43 < rolla> I have 2 U10 that could use that :)
20:44 < rxr> rolla: http://www.rocklinux.org/rolling/devel/page4.html
20:44 < rxr> rolla: your own - or from a company ?
20:44 < kasc> tcr: it sounds interesting to implement, tho. I will try to make something like that when my ToDo is a bit shorter ;)
20:45 < rolla> my own
20:45 < rolla> did you cross compile ?
20:46 < rxr>  18:40:31 up 81 days, 17:25,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.48, 0.82
20:46 < rxr> Linux version 2.4.20 (root@thesun.localnet) (gcc version 3.2.2) #3 Sun Feb 9 16:56:31 Local time zone must be set--see zic manua
20:46 < rxr> GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.1, by Roland McGrath et al.
20:46 < rxr> Copyright (C) 1992-2001, 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
20:46 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C53F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:46 < rxr> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
20:46 < rxr> There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
20:46 < rxr> PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
20:46 < rxr> Compiled by GNU CC version 3.2.1.
20:46 < rxr> Compiled on a Linux 2.4.20 system on 2003-01-18.
20:46 < rxr> Available extensions:
20:46 < rxr>         GNU libio by Per Bothner
20:46 < rxr>         crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others
20:46 < rxr>         linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy
20:46 < rxr>         BIND-8.2.3-T5B
20:46 < rxr>         libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc
20:46 < rxr>         NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk
20:46 < rxr>         software FPU emulation by Richard Henderson, Jakub Jelinek and others
20:46 < rxr> Report bugs using the `glibcbug' script to <bugs@gnu.org>.
20:46 < rxr> gcc (GCC) 3.2.2
20:46 < rxr> Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
20:46 < rxr> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
20:47 < rxr> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
20:47 < tcr> ???
20:48 < rxr> tcr: ;-)
20:48 < rxr> rolla: how fast are those U10?
20:48 < rxr> rolla: could you get your hand on some more ?
20:49 < rolla> rxr they are 440s
20:49 < rolla> I think 2 is my limit
20:49 < rxr> rolla: limit of what?
20:50 < rolla> I use to have a Blade 1000 to play with but it had to go back
20:50 < rolla> limit of what I can get my hands on
20:50 < rxr> they are lent or so?
20:50 < rolla> nope
20:50 < rolla> they are mine
20:50 < rolla> Mike1: is in process of obtaining one of them ;)
20:51 < rxr> rolla: ah :-(
20:51 < rxr> I asked because I'm still searching for a faster one ..
20:52 < kasc> tcr: anyway i will need to wait for some laws to clearify... maybe i even have to drop all games :-(
20:52 < rxr> kasc: what do you mean ?
20:52 < Mike1> rxr: he has 2 ...
20:52 < kasc> <quote>
20:52 < kasc>  Liebe Spieleinteressierte,
20:52 < kasc>  wegen der geänderten Rechtslage ab 1. April 2003 können wir derzeit leider
20:52 < kasc>  keine Spiele im Webshop anbieten. Wir suchen nach einer Lösung, um Ihnen
20:52 < kasc>  die zahlreichen Spiele unter Linux wieder zugänglich zu machen. Bitte
20:53 < kasc>  wenden Sie sich bei Fragen an sales@linuxland.de. Für Ihr Verständnis
20:53 < kasc>  vielen Dank im voraus!
20:53 < toledo> I'm a hacker !! I use Rock Linux
20:53 < kasc>  Ihr LinuxLand-Team
20:53 < toledo> ehhehehe
20:53 < kasc> </quote>
20:53 < toledo> this fune
20:53 < kasc> the new Jugendschutzgesetz
20:53 < toledo> this funny
20:53 < Mike1> rxr: also ripclaw or huebi could be able to get you a faster Sparc..
20:53 * Mike1 is away: eating
20:53 < rolla> rxr: yeah it is the shipping that kills it :(
20:53 < rolla> == 13:49:13 =[7]=> Building base/perl5 [5.8.0 2.0.0-beta3].
20:53 < kasc> cf: http://www.heise.de/ct/03/08/078/default.shtml
20:53 < kasc> http://www.heise.de/ct/03/10/018/default.shtml
20:53 < rolla> sweet stage 7 :")
20:54 < netrunner> kasc: in ct they had an interview about it. iirc the law does not touch games that are downloadable, just software sold on cds
20:55 < kasc> netrunner: so its ok unless we sell rock linux on cd's?
20:59 < netrunner> kasc: If I understood it correctly, yes. But I'll re read that article.
20:59 < netrunner> kasc: Problem would be the cds on the linuxtag, though.
21:00 < tcr> --- ERROR Error during conversion: No error
21:00 < tcr> ??? xchat talks rubbish
21:02 < kasc> hope we dont need to give away cds without games
21:04 < tcr> Do you know a lawyer?
21:04 < kasc> unfortunately not
21:06 < tcr> neither me does
21:06 < rolla> Creating file list and doing final adoptions ...
21:06 < rolla> Found 2143 files for this package.
21:06 < rolla> Clear (old) md5sums and cksums ...
21:06 < rolla> Calculating package dependencies ...
21:06 < rolla> Creating md5sum and cksum files ... done.
21:06 < rolla> Creating package description ...
21:06 < rolla> Making post-install adoptions.
21:06 < rolla> Found shared files with other packages:
21:06 < netrunner> maybe the bpjs or a aequivalent institution should be officially contacted to get a hardcopy statement?
21:06 < rolla> usr/share/man/man3/Shell.3: lesstif perl5
21:06 < rolla> --- BUILD ERROR ---
21:06 < rolla> removed `/var/adm/logs/7-perl5.log'
21:07 < rolla> grr
21:08 < kasc> wonder how the other distributors handle that
21:10 < tcr> netrunner: Might be a good idea
21:11 < rxr> cu later
21:11 < tcr> bye
21:13 < rolla> any know why stage 7 perl breaks?
21:18 < netrunner> rolla: file clash? disable paranoia should help, but wouldn't fix it.
21:19 < daja77> re
21:21 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:28:30)
21:22 < daja77> wb Mike1
21:22 < Mike1> thx
21:23 < daja77> :)
21:34 < tcr> re daja77
21:35 < tcr> and re mike
21:35 < Mike1> :)
21:36 < daja77> re tcr ;)
21:39 < rolla> netrunner: you sure?
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22:00 < kasc> about the Jugendschutzproblem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-events-eu/2003/debian-events-eu-200304/msg00045.html
22:01 < kasc> looks like be may not include games on giveaway cd's
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22:01 < daja77> kasc: which games?
22:02 < kasc> those which are not approved unless we pay the certification of those games. so basically all of them
22:02 < kasc> still reading, tho
22:02 < daja77> fsck
22:03 < daja77> kasc: hint: if we distribute the cd, they had to sue each of us seperately, cos we are no company ;)
22:03 < kasc> maybe we just have to drop every game that includes violence in what way o ever
22:04 < daja77> kasc: nah
22:04 < tcr> kasc: Blah, who cares? I don't consider games to be essential for giveaway CDs anyway
22:04 < kasc> daja77: they would sue me, because i'm the maintainer. And i cant afford around 50000 EUR just for inclusion of some games...
22:04 < daja77> kasc: bullshit
22:05 < daja77> kasc: it doesn't matter who is the maintainer, it is important who distributes the cds
22:05 < daja77> if you don't dare, I'll take over maintainance for that time
22:07 < daja77> if you'd be right no distro could give away cds, not even knoppix
22:07 < kasc> debian developers are discussing the dropping of all their games
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22:07 < daja77> debian developers are a crazy croud I wouldn't ask in this matter
22:08 < kasc> we could get a certification from usk, but that would cost about 1000 EUR
22:08 * Mike1 things daja77, kasc and tcr are also insane..
22:08 < daja77> kasc: no! we don't need it, we don't distribute games, we distribute an os, btw games are an essential part of any unix os
22:09 < n00kie> Hello
22:09 < daja77> hi n00kie
22:09 < n00kie> Hi daja77 :)
22:09 < daja77> kasc: why bothering about debian crap anyway
22:09 < kasc> because they are currently running into a problem we will have to face, too
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22:10 * daja77 reading
22:11 < kasc> Anyway i will try to activate some of my connections to get at least some info on what to do
22:11 < daja77> ahem kasc I still see no problem...
22:13 < daja77> but now you mentioned this, we should point at this problem at Linuxtag, what do you think
22:13 < Mike1> kasc: read query
22:14 < daja77> *argh* this sucks
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22:15 < jose> hi!
22:16 < n00kie> Hola jose :)
22:16 < jose> n00kie: hola mae, como has estado ?
22:16 < jose> n00kie: want to help me with something ?
22:16 < daja77> hi jose
22:17 < jose> daja77: hi!, everything 0k ?
22:17 < daja77> yeah, apart from sucking german laws
22:17 < jose> why ?, are you going to jail ?
22:18 < daja77> nope, not until I'll distribute rock with kasc on Linuxtag *gggg*
22:19 < jose> daja77: what happen ?
22:19 < daja77> the law to protect minors are probably prohibiting distributing cdroms with uncertified games on it
22:21 < jose> holy shit!, that's control!
22:22 < daja77> yeah all in the name of protecting minors, this is _bullshit_
22:22 < netrunner> maybe we can modify the iso-creator that he puts games on a seperate disc. then we can give them to those that show us their id
22:22 < daja77> or don't distribute any games, or just don't care, which I prefer
22:23 < netrunner> daja: not to care can get quite problematic...
22:24 < netrunner> they'll get a supporting lobby soon - the lobby of game industry that do not like free games anyway.
22:24 < jose> daja77: which games does rock bring anyway ?
22:25 < daja77> netrunner: I guess you are wrong the game industry doesn't like these laws as well
22:25 < daja77> jose: lots, ask kasc for details
22:30 < kasc> jose: we have about 49 single games and two game bundles
22:32 < kasc> if we distribute _any_ of them on a CD or have them on a public avaliabe box for testing without the whole distribution being certified (costs around 1000 EUR), we can be seriously punished (50000 EUR and more)
22:32 < netrunner> so what do you think, move all games to an seperate iso automatically, and let the last iso be downloadable only.
22:32 < daja77> kasc: so we don't give cds to minors, right?
22:33 < netrunner> then if someone wants to install games, he sucks the missing iso from a defined point, burns it and fine.
22:33 < kasc> netrunner: downloadeable isos are not a problem, but we may not include games on pressed CDs
22:33 < netrunner> kasc: you did not follow my red line.
22:33 < daja77> kasc: we don't have pressed cds, we have burned cds
22:33 < netrunner> kasc: create isos. just normal. only the packages are sorted in a way that games and only games are on the last cd
22:33 < kasc> daja77: whatever
22:34 < kasc> netrunner: that could be a solution
22:34 < netrunner> kasc: and then just suply a link to the last iso maybe with a pointer to the new law.
22:34 < kasc> but of course this would partially make the testversion of rock less attractive
22:35 < daja77> kasc: again a unix without games is not complete
22:35 < esden> I think that this is also interesting for us : http://lists.debian.org/debian-events-eu/2003/debian-events-eu-200304/msg00045.html
22:36 < kasc> esden: that one from my mail? ;-)
22:36 < daja77> O_o this is the mail we already talk about
22:36 < esden> ohh ... you posted it ... sorry
22:36 < jose> clear
22:37 < daja77> hi esden btw
22:37 * daja77 kicking some stuff
22:37 < Mike1> hi esdy
22:37 * Mike1 kicking daja77
22:37 < esden> sorry ... I am pretty uninformed today ... I am only barely on the net today .. I have to learn for an exam today
22:37 < Mike1> daja77: sorry i couldn't resist it
22:37 < esden> but nonetheless ... it really sux!!!
22:38 < daja77> esden: full ack
22:38 < daja77> Mike1: :ppp
22:38 < netrunner> esden: go back to your book!
22:38 < esden> netrunner: :P
22:39 < esden> netrunner: you too!!!
22:40 < tcr> hmm
22:40 < tcr> I suggest the following:
22:41 < netrunner> esden. just printing the solutions for tomorrows exam ;)
22:42 < tcr> 2/3 of all cds exclude games, 1/3 include them. At linuxtag there are certainly people who know better about laws etc, they should be asked what's really going on, and what we can/should do. Those Cds with games are only given to people who can identify themselves to be over 18.
22:42 < tcr> I think that's a good compromise, isn't it?
22:43 < daja77> tcr: this might be harder than you think
22:43 < kasc> i'm not sure if that would be a legal way
22:43 < kasc> i'll try to get some Information, maybe even membership with USK eV
22:44 < daja77> waaah
22:45 < tcr> daja77: Why?
22:47 < netrunner> would it be so hard to move all game gems to the last cd?
22:47 < tcr> kasc: Might be not really legal, but it's a good compromise
22:47 < daja77> hmm we'd even have to throw out kde-games and gnome-games (btw do we have the bsdgames package)
22:47 < netrunner> tcr: it's legal, as long as you do not distribute them.
22:47 < tcr> daja77: yeh, I think so
22:48 < jose> I bet you have not NEVER seen something like this: tuxtype
22:48 < tcr> netrunner: ??? I'm talking about my suggestion
22:48 < jose> s/not//
22:49 < kasc> tcr: the problem is that if anyone of those decides to tell the police about that, we might have to face serious punishment
22:50 < tcr> kasc: Well, but we distribute games only to _adults_. Sure the law even prohibits that?
22:50 < daja77> kasc: well before punishment there is a trial, remember
22:50 < kasc> tcr: i am not sure, yet. and exactly that is the problem
22:51 < tcr> Well, if it's called Jugendschutz ...
22:51 < kasc> if we can get a lawyer to give us something written that this would be legal it's no problem
22:51 < daja77> kasc: I really like to face that trial, let's raise funds like the americans did in the file share trials, if we really get punished
22:52 < daja77> kasc: nope, you can't get a lawyer, writing something for you, saying you are not guilty
22:52 < kasc> we should also talk to the EFF and maybe the CCC for assistance
22:53 < daja77> kasc: you considered joining the discussion on the debian-list, I mean I don't like them very much, but we could stand together in that issue
22:53 < tcr> I wouldn't stall about that at all..
22:53 < daja77> ack
22:53 < tcr> What's so wrong on my suggestion? I clearly said, that we should ask someone at Linuxtag
22:54 < kasc> i know a debian developer. Maybe i can ask him to keep me informed
22:54 < daja77> yeah make it so
22:54 < tcr> And, assumming, that guy will say, it'd be illegal to distribute games even to adults (who ensured to be over 18), then we still have the possibility to drop it
22:55 < rolla> what are you guys talking about?
22:55 < daja77> german overregulations :((
22:55 < tcr> rolla: some nasty law that prohibits distributing games for sake of child protection
22:56 < rolla> in DE?
22:56 < daja77> yes
22:56 < rolla> and I thought we had dumb rules
22:56 < rolla> does it say what kind of games?
22:56 < daja77> any uncertified game
22:56 < rolla> so tuxracer
22:57 < tcr> rolla: One or two years ago, there has been some crazy pupil who killed himself and about one dozen other people at a school. Since then, the politicians have been behaving totally overreacted, well, I think you know that crap best yourself as american..
22:57 < rolla> yeah I thought was last year
22:57 < daja77> has no certificate which says for which age it si suitable
22:57 < rolla> like tuxracer
22:57 < rolla> it has no cert
22:58 < daja77> yes
22:58 < rolla> so a kid who had guns legally was driven to kill by games?
22:58 < daja77> nah not really but creating new laws is easier than thinking
22:59 < rolla> I thought he went nuts cause he failed out of school
22:59 < rolla> thye ough to make failing a kid illegal it would stop them from possibley killing people
22:59 < tcr> rolla: roughly, right
22:59 < daja77> he went nuts, cos he failed and had no certification at all
23:00 < rolla> daja77: I have tried to understnad germans schools but they make my head hurt ;)
23:00 < rolla> I don't know what it means to have no cert atall
23:00 < kasc> he went nuts because of really fucked up educational laws, but its easier for politicans to blame everything on games
23:01 < rolla> kasc: the other problem was if that set him off something else might have done it aslwell
23:01 < daja77> rolla: it means that you are a sort of nobody, co you can't claim any kind of education
23:01 < tcr> rolla: Well, our school system is about becoming what the one in US already is..
23:01 < rolla> like a girl leaving him or the what now
23:01 < rolla> s/now/not/
23:01 < tcr> rolla: certification is everything what counts here. Well, except you got a father with wide relations
23:02 < tcr> And that's not bad, actually!
23:02 * kasc is off digging through USK's site
23:02 * daja77 writing to local newsgroup to inform local orga team about this crap
23:03 < rolla> oh well guess it it time to vote green ;)
23:04 < tcr> Not here
23:04 < kasc> rolla: they are pro legalizing THC, not games ;)
23:07 < rolla> THC?
23:07 < rolla> tcr is certification a degree?
23:07 < tcr> Precisely
23:07 < kasc> Haschisch. Hanf. Marihuana (sp?)
23:08 < tcr> marijuana
23:08 < kasc> some somokeable drug ;)
23:08 < kasc> smokeable, either
23:08 < rolla> well then don't vote for the greens
23:09 * netrunner off getting sleep for exam
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23:10 < tcr> Hmm, daja77?
23:11 < daja77> tcr: ?
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23:12 < tcr> daja77: Could you please send an email to the ml, and elaborate what I suggested. I still can't send mails via the freemail provider I use (though I'm about moving to a private fiend's one)
23:13 < daja77> tcr: hmm don't you think kasc should articulate himself, before I comment them
23:13 < daja77> him
23:13 < rolla> tcr can you not put a warning that if you are under 18 to not play the games
23:13 < tcr> Well, just send that as 'a result/outcome of a short discussion in IRC'
23:14 < baka-chibi> that's not enough
23:14 < rolla> ?
23:14 < baka-chibi> please read my mail about the games.
23:14 < daja77> rolla: nope, it is illegal to distribute uncertified games on cdrom  >_<
23:14 * daja77 checking mail
23:14 < tcr> daja77: But also say that kay is still researching about it
23:14 < tcr> brb
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23:14 < kasc> someone would always have to be near the text boxes and verify the passports of everyone even looking on the screen
23:15 < baka-chibi> unfortunately, that would have to be the case
23:15 < rolla> daja77: what a crock of shit
23:16 < daja77> rolla: full ack
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23:16 < rolla> so I could write a guess the number game and put it on cd and be taken to court for it?
23:16 < baka-chibi> yes
23:17 < baka-chibi> in theory, that is
23:17 < daja77> rolla: you could be a certification for 1000 Euro, than you are allowed to distribute
23:17 * tcr wants to remind all germans that common culture evening's programm is on TV: Harald Schmidt!
23:18 < baka-chibi> tcr: go screw yourself... Harald Schmidt... I know why I don't own a TV
23:18 < daja77> tcr: thx need to think of other things, otherwise I'd shoot someone *aargh*
23:18 < rolla> daja77: what a bunch of shit
23:18 < tcr> baka-chibi: Muhaha, you're such blasphemiant
23:18 < tcr> a
23:18 < rolla> I am thinking someone needs to make a simple game like that and give it away on cd and wait for these dumb ass politicans to take him to court
23:18 < baka-chibi> tcr: just because I don't join the "Nationale Volksverbloedung"?
23:19 < rolla> prove how dumb that law is
23:19 < baka-chibi> orlthe EU is already investigating that law
23:19 < daja77> rolla: ack this would be really good
23:19 < tcr> baka-chibi: With Harald Schmidt?
23:19 < baka-chibi> because germany isn't allowed to create such a law without the EU
23:19 < baka-chibi> so htere are two possibilities
23:19 < daja77> thank god for the eu!
23:19 < baka-chibi> a) germany will be forced to negate the law
23:19 < baka-chibi> or b) the EU adopts the law
23:20 < daja77> baka-chibi: hehe I really don't believe in b), the eu has been saner in the past than germany
23:20 < rolla> baka-chibi: one can only hope that choice a is the one
23:20 < tcr> Harald Schmidt is, besides Star Trek, Tagesschau and several political (satire) series, what I actually watch on a regular basis, that's it
23:20 < daja77> rolla: I bet on this
23:20 < baka-chibi> most of the civilized world has been saner than .de
23:21 < rolla> baka-chibi: that is not true in some cases
23:21 < baka-chibi> tcr: I really feel sorry for you. And yes, I'm a trekkie.
23:21 < baka-chibi> rolla: there is no rule. without exception.
23:21 < daja77> rolla: speaking of america? *gg*
23:21 < rolla> ;)
23:21 < baka-chibi> daja77: that's why I said _civilized_ world
23:22 < rolla> baka-chibi: that hurt
23:22 < baka-chibi> rolla: it's not your fault if you're living there
23:22 < tcr> baka-chibi: I really feel sorry for you and your naivity and 'pauschalität'. TV is indeed factor number one causing Volksverdummung, but on the other side is one of the best possible information ressource that exists
23:22 < baka-chibi> tcr: I prefer radio
23:22 < rolla> baka-chibi: :P
23:23 < rolla> Volksverdummung? the dumbing of the people?
23:23 < baka-chibi> tcr: accessible anytime, anymhere and no need to sit in front of it all day
23:23 < tcr> rolla: ya
23:23 < baka-chibi> rolla: yeah
23:23 < Mike1> ni hao ma baka-chibi
23:23 < rolla> so my german is not so bad :)
23:23 < baka-chibi> hi Mike1
23:23 * baka-chibi going to bed now
23:23 < Mike1> oyasumi nasai baka-chibi
23:23 < baka-chibi> this box is driving me nuts and I'm sleepy...
23:23 < daja77> rolla: like to read the german mail about this topic?
23:23 < tcr> baka-chibi: Much really content spare
23:23 < rolla> nacht bac
23:23 < baka-chibi> n8 everyone
23:24 < rolla> daja77: is it not all in german?
23:24 < daja77> n8 blindy
23:24 < tcr> Much sparer on content
23:24 < tcr> that's what I wanted to say
23:24 < Mike1> daja77: not blindy, baky!\
23:24 < rxr> re
23:24 < rolla> re Mike1
23:24 < Mike1> re rxr, rolla
23:24 < daja77> rolla: a short english introduction is there
23:24 < daja77> re rxr
23:24 < rolla> I am going to chuck all the alphas out of the house and stand up the U10
23:24 < rolla> daja77: sure send it my way
23:25 < tcr> baka-chibi: gn8. But we have to talk about that anytime soon again ;)
23:26 < tcr> netrunner: ping
23:26 < tcr> arghs
23:27 < tcr> netrunner: I don't mean you, don't feel disturb *g*
23:27 < tcr> kasc: ping
23:30 < daja77> kasc felt in love with usk *ggg*
23:31 < rxr> rolla: what are you doing?
23:32 < rolla> ?
23:32 < rolla> right now
23:33 < tcr> What you're going to do with your alphas, I think
23:33 < rolla> trash can I think I am sick of them
23:33 < rolla> damn kernels
23:34 < rxr> no - with the alphas you are writting above
23:34 < rolla> trash can I think I am sick of them
23:34 < rolla> no 2.4 kernels will boot so I cannot get defs to work
23:34 < daja77> rolla: send them over to rxr and me ;)
23:34 < rolla> so i cannot build rock
23:34 < rolla> ha ha
23:34 < rolla> shipping would kill that
23:34 < daja77> 2.4 does boot, wtf
23:34 < rolla> daja77: nein
23:34 < daja77> doesn'T
23:35 < daja77> rolla: damn
23:35 < rxr> erm before they will end in the trash, you could send them over ...
23:35 < daja77> rxr: ahem you seem to be tired
23:35 < rolla> :)
23:36 < tcr> Who does not?
23:36 < tcr> Heh, ibm advertising is mostly quite funny
23:37 < rxr> daja77: nope the wlan was quite slow here - this is why my stuff appeared after yours ...
23:37 < daja77> oh
23:40 < rolla> bye all
23:40 < rolla> ttyl
23:40 < daja77> hmm thinking it over Linux is the best computer game I know, .oO that'd we have to stop distributing at all...
23:40 < n00kie> Sleep well rolla
23:40 < daja77> bye rolla
23:41 < rolla> n00kie: not sleep time
23:41 < rolla> time to leave work :)
23:41 < daja77> :)
23:41 < n00kie> ah, hehe :)
23:44 < tcr> Hmm...
23:44 < tcr> What's up with rocklinux.de?
23:44 < daja77> it is down since two weeks iirc
23:44 < kasc> just sent a mail to usk.de. Hope they will answer soon
23:44 < daja77> kasc: great
23:45 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:45 < daja77> hey jsaw
23:46 < jsaw> hello.
23:46 < jsaw> hi daja77
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23:57 < kasc> mail to my local bundestags representative sent.
23:57 < kasc> any idea whom to write next?
23:57 < daja77> otto schily
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23:58 < kasc> was the JuSchuG initiated by him?
23:58 < daja77> can't tell for sure, but he is the minister
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