--- Log opened Sun May 25 00:00:36 2003
--- Day changed Sun May 25 2003
00:19 < kasc> 11:03PM <tfing> ok
00:19 < kasc> <kasc> on its way
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00:19 < kasc> 11:18PM <rolla> rxr you still here?
00:20 < kasc> it should have reached you about an hour ago
00:23 < kasc> gn8
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00:36 < rxr> strange
00:36 < rxr> maybe eaten by the gmx spam filter bug - reported on heise
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00:52 < n00kie> Sleep well, guys :)
02:24 < rxr> yeah - n8
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10:21 < rxr> re
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10:23 < Pyro> yo.
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10:31 < kasc> moin
10:32 < rxr> moin
10:32 < kasc> did the log finally reach you?
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11:00 < daja77> moin
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11:03 < rxr> kasc: nope
11:03 < rxr> hi daja77
11:03 < tcr> moin all
11:04 < daja77> hi rxr
11:05 < daja77> rxr: hope that rev 368 build is complete in the evening...
11:10 < tcr> Darn! I need a new casebox for my computer :/ The current one is just too old
11:11 < daja77> tcr: you are into case modding?
11:12 < tcr> Nah, it's based on old 'Netzteilen' with strange electrial sockets for the power/reset bottons
11:12 < daja77> AT?
11:12 < tcr> I think so
11:12 < tcr> I need atx..
11:13 < tcr> Nevertheless... Where should I look for cheap Bigtower ATX cases?
11:13 < tcr> ebay?
11:13 * daja77 moved atc based computer into at case...
11:14 < tcr> Well, I think I'd need either a special Netzteil or a special Adapter
11:14 < tcr> I think either will be more expensive than a used case from ebay
11:14 < daja77> well or brute force...
11:15 < tcr> :P Not with my zero-like knowledge about this concern ;)
11:15 < daja77> :p
11:17 < tcr> Do you happen to know a suitable adapter?
11:18 < daja77> no
11:18 < tcr> If yes, I could look up what it costs
11:18 < tcr> ok
11:19 < tcr> Uh...
11:19 < daja77> ?
11:20 < tcr> 25euro ohne netzteil + 9euro porto
11:20 < tcr> o_O
11:23 < tcr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3416469932&category=21884
11:24 < tcr> What do you think?
11:24 < daja77> hmmn no browser here...
11:25 < tcr> Huh?
11:25 < daja77> text mode
11:26 < tcr> lynx?
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11:27 < tcr> doesnt matter much though, I think I'll buy that one anyway
11:29 < daja77> ok
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12:06 < rxr> kasc: oops problem on my site
12:06 < rxr> err side
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13:30 < jsaw> g'morning
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13:32 < jsaw> hi tcr
13:33 < tcr> hi jsaw
13:33 < jsaw> what are you doin here at this time?
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13:39 < tcr> jsaw: I'm currently migrating from the freemail provider I used for mailinglist to my private adress
13:39 < jsaw> tcr: I see
13:40 < jsaw> BTW, did you notice mine-0.13 failing to compile?
13:42 < tcr> No.. you should direct that to rxr.
13:43 < jsaw> I was just asking if there are others seeing this. Of course, I'll bother (hehe) rxr about this...
13:43 < tcr> Hmm, anyone an idea what an ATX bigtower case normally costs?
13:44 < tcr> I know when I bought mine the last time (~2-3years ago) it cost about 120DM
13:44 < jsaw> www.alternate.de
13:44 < tcr> Well they're overpriced ;)
13:45 < jsaw> not sure, but you may get one aroung EUR 60-80.
13:45 < jsaw> arlt? km-electronic?
13:45 < tcr> Well... my mom's working at SWR and they may have some as 'restposten'...
13:46 < tcr> Hmm, how much Watt should a netzteil have for an xp1,7ghz? 300?
13:47 < jsaw> better use a new one. or take the time to clean the case thoroughly!
13:47 < jsaw> 300-400W, depending on your needs (how many extra stuff's in there).
13:47 < tcr> They're damn expensive!
13:48 < tcr> no case <80euro (and that _without_ a netzteil, which is called power pack in english afaik)
13:48 < jsaw> lemma see...
13:48 < tcr> I just checked alternate
13:49 < jsaw> yp    : ATX, Bigtower
13:49 < jsaw> Netzteil    : 300W
13:49 < jsaw> Anschlüsse    : Powerswitch, Speaker, Reset, HDD/POWER-LED
13:49 < jsaw> Athlon    : geeignet
13:49 < jsaw> Pentium 4    : nicht geeignet
13:49 < jsaw> 63.99EUR (ARLT)
13:50 < jsaw> Typ    : ATX, Bigtower
13:50 < jsaw> Netzteil    : 400W
13:50 < jsaw> Anschlüsse    : Powerswitch, Speaker, Reset, HDD/POWER-LED
13:50 < tcr> Hmm, that a p4 isn't suitable scares me a bit now though
13:50 < jsaw> EUR 69.00 (ARLT)
13:50 < tcr> Gimme the url please
13:50 < jsaw> www.arlt.com, click on shop
13:50 < tcr> `www.arlt.com couldn't be found'
13:51 < tcr> hm strange, now it works
13:52 < jsaw> ???
13:52 < tcr> nevermind ;)
13:53 < rxr> jsaw: yes - the latest mine version fails due to libtar has a cross compile bug
13:53 < rxr> cliff will fix this soon - for now simply contunue the build - it builds in stage 5 ...
13:54 < tcr> jsaw: do you happen to know how much Porto will be charged?
13:54 < jsaw> rxr: well, yes, but in stage 9 it fails to generate the gem files :-(
13:55 < rxr> jsaw: yes this is a good point ...
13:56 < jsaw> rxr: I'll have a more general approach to the cross compiling problem I'll post later on on the ml
13:56 < jsaw> rxr: gotta test it a bit more...
13:57 < jsaw> tcr: no idea
14:03 < rxr> rev 384 - stoned mac_hid
14:11 < blindcoder> netzteil == Power Supply Unit == PSU
14:11 < blindcoder> moin
14:12 < jsaw> blindcoder: moin moin
14:12 < tcr> blindcoder: ok, power pack actually means energieversorger ;)
14:13 < blindcoder> jsaw: yes, mine is failing when cross-compiling, although that's a problem of configure, not mine itself
14:14 < jsaw> blindcoder: I now. fscking configure scripts!
14:14 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off to fitness now
14:15 < blindcoder> as usual my build can be observed in #rocklinux-status
14:21 < daja77> re
14:21 < jsaw> wb daja77
14:22 < daja77> thx jsaw
14:29 < jsaw> How can I find out, if I do a real cross compilation or just a pseudo cross compilation?
14:37 < rxr> jsaw: yes - this GNU auto* dung needs to be rm -rf'ed from the World ...
14:40 < daja77> ack
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14:47 < jsaw> i was interrupted: the pseudo cross compilation detection, I mean, how can I do that in the build scripts? Do I have to compare the processor type in $arch_build and $arch_target, or is there a simpler method?
14:50 < rxr> jsaw: what are you trying to archive ?
14:51 < jsaw> I check a IMO pretty simple solution to the cross compilation problem, but it can only be done safely, if we're on the same architecture (say e.g. x86). So,
14:52 < jsaw> in other words, it may lead to problems, if we're doing - what I would call - a REAL cross build.
14:54 < rxr> such hacks will not get into the source! The package are needed in cross compiles and are cross compile able. Only this damn new checks prevent them to compile ...
14:56 < jsaw> These new checks only depend on ONE line: cross_compile=yes. If this line is s/yes/pseudo/ or s/yes/maybe/, all is fine.
14:57 < jsaw> This cross compile check does not only have the problem of configure failing.
14:57 < jsaw> It is more problematic:
14:57 < jsaw> Many packages include sources of functions _definitely_ available in libc.
14:58 < jsaw> However, due to the cross compilation check, the supplied source is compiled instead of the available.
14:58 < jsaw> -> increasing the binary size...
14:59 < kasc> rxr: now mine keeps failing. has that been fixed since the day before yesterday?
14:59 < jsaw> hi kasc
15:00 < jsaw> kasc: cross compilation check in libtar-1.2.11 is the problem...
15:03 < kasc> is there already a solution avaliable or do i have to dig into the problem myself? ;)
15:03 < rxr> kasc: no mine has not been fixed.
15:04 < rxr> it is cliffords 3rd party package and he said he will fix it in the next free minute ...
15:10 < kasc> so better wait for a fix?
15:13 < tcr> jsaw: Yes, that's a very common problem. I sent a fix to sed for that a while ago
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16:05 < blindcoder> back
16:07 < blindcoder> gah. I knew I forgot something in mutt >_<
16:13 < jsaw> cu l8r
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17:43 < MegaNothing> ripclaw around at all?
17:46 < tcr> No.. been a long time I saw him the last time here
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18:10 < MegaNothing> been about 4 years since i seen him :)
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18:15 < tcr> that can be called 'long'
18:23 < MegaNothing> yes.. it can.. :)
18:28 < MegaNothing> was reading some old archives..  from around may 1999.. and thought id see if he is still around..
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18:43 < esden> hi all
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18:45 < cOdEz> hi esden
18:45 < daja77> hi esden
18:48 < rxr> hi esden
18:49 < rxr> do you have some second for a dietlibc problem ?
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19:00 < tcr> apropos, esden.. have you yet contacted that dietlinux guy?
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19:11 < rxr> Committed revision 388.
19:11 < daja77> O_o
19:11 < rxr> ^- maybe fixes the mine issue - can s.o. test ??
19:12 < daja77> well is mine completely broken in rev < 368
19:22 < blindcoder> rxr: I'll try
19:23 < blindcoder> rxr: huh? there's a lot of chonges betweenn 368 and 388 >_<
19:26 < blindcoder> okay, most of it is linux24benh
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19:29 < blindcoder> rxr: mine still fails in stage 1
19:29 < blindcoder> rxr: as does util-linux
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21:28 < rxr> blindcoder: thaks - I'm just merging the rest from Cliff's CVS
21:28 < rxr> it should work in some seconds. ...
21:29 < mnemoc> re
21:29 < mnemoc> rxr: can you improve cvs:// download to support tags?
21:30 < mnemoc> can i?
21:36 < rxr> hi mnemoc
21:36 < rxr> I also thought about such a feature ...
21:36 < rxr> maybe we should add the possiblity do specify any cvs options
21:37 < rxr> and remove the ! hack ...
21:37 < mnemoc> ! hack can be powed too
21:38 < mnemoc> to keep it 'url' like
21:39 < rxr> committing merge with cliff
21:40 < rxr> Committed revision 389.
21:41 < mnemoc> rxr: why my cleanup was rejected? or was it forgoten?
21:44 < rxr> mnemoc: which cleanup ?
21:45 < mnemoc> to my repos. "big/fat cleanup to mnemoc's" ... and a config.in to openldap
21:45 < mnemoc> to build just the libs
21:45 < rxr> it is not applied?
21:46 < mnemoc> nope
21:46 < mnemoc> i can resend it
21:48 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - it is now applied
21:48 < rxr> (commit running)
21:48 < mnemoc> thanks :D
22:11 < daja77> re
22:11 < mnemoc> wb daja77
22:12 < daja77> thx mnemoc
22:13 < esden> huhu all
22:13 < daja77> huhu esden
22:13 < mnemoc> huhu esden
22:15 * -> esden must go ... be back soon
22:15 < daja77> cu esden
22:16 < mnemoc> :|
22:16 * daja77 praying for getting a usable iso out of his build 
22:22 * tcr hopes to arrange getting a new ATX case soon, to actually start a build %)
22:27 < netrunner> re
22:34 < daja77> re netrunner
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22:44 < daja77> *lol* just found my copy of sco unixware 7...
23:08 < daja77> core dump while building mysqlcc, wtf
23:08 < daja77> and nobody here, *aaargh*
23:09 < rxr> re
23:09 < rxr> hi daja77
23:09 < daja77> re rxr *sigh*
23:10 < rxr> just phoned with cliff (77min)
23:10 < daja77> cool
23:10 < daja77> well meanwhile I core dumped...
23:11 < daja77> .oO this seems to be really fscked up
23:12 < rxr> you core dumped???
23:12 < rxr> Warning: I just commit a patch for all .cache files ...
23:13 < daja77> my box core dumped, /me was down today as well, but anyway...
23:14 < rxr> what core dumped?
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23:16 < daja77> scripts/Build-Target at mysqlcc package
23:16 < A-Tui> hi daja77
23:16 < daja77> hi A-Tui
23:16 < rxr> the script build target, or s.th. during building the packages (e.g. gcc)
23:16 < daja77> yes
23:18 < rxr> daja77: err? I ask a or b - and you answer "yes"
23:18 < rxr> ??
23:19 < daja77> rxr: huh you asked what core dumped and I told you
23:19 < daja77> ah sorry I am a bit tired
23:19 < rxr> so Build-Target core-dumped?>
23:19 < daja77> mom
23:20 < daja77> see query
23:25 < daja77> rxr: ?
23:26 * A-Tui is away: La homo kio pensas estas lumo kaj forto
23:27 < daja77> whatever
23:28 < rxr> ah yes
23:28 < rxr> was busy
23:28 < daja77> :)
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23:39 < tfing> yeah, made packages for canna/kinput2 :)
23:46 < rxr> n8 all
23:47 < tfing> n8 rxr
23:47 < daja77> n8 rxr
23:53 * A-Tui is back (gone 00:27:05)
23:54 < daja77> wb A-Tui
23:54 < A-Tui> re daja77
23:54 < A-Tui> i have eaten a good pizza :)
23:54 < daja77> A-Tui: congrats
23:54 < A-Tui> tnx :)
23:55 < A-Tui> Mike1: are you alive?
23:56 < daja77> A-Tui: not on sundays *gg*
23:56 < A-Tui> hehe, ok then :)
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