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00:00 < hackbard> well? :)
00:01 < Mike1> :P
00:01 < Mike1> hackbard: John came over to visit 1/2 a bit ago
00:01 < Mike1> but he left quickly.
00:01 < hackbard> i just wondered if there is anybody on opn who could explain markov chains to me :)
00:01 < hackbard> ah, good, how is he?
00:02 < rxr> hi hackbard
00:02 < hackbard> hi rene!
00:02 < rxr> nice to see you again hackbard !
00:02 < rxr> sadly I'm just on the way into the bed ...
00:02 < Mike1> hackbard: well... it is a sequence of random values whose probabilities at a time interval depends upon the value of the number at the  previous  time
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00:04 < rxr> ok so cu tomorrow
00:04 < hackbard> rxr: nice to see you too, dunt worry, i will stay a bit :)
00:04 < hackbard> rxr: good night :)
00:04 < Mike1> nacht rxr
00:04 < rxr> hackbard: will you be here in the next days?
00:04 < hackbard> jo
00:05 < rxr> ok cu - n8 all
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00:06 < hackbard> Mike1: well, i would need a mathematical proof that a certain algo converges to boltzman distribution ..
00:06 < hackbard> Mike1: how come u know about that anyways? :)
00:06 < Mike1> hackbard: i'm studying physics...
00:07 < owl> hi hackbard
00:07 < Mike1> i told ya i would..
00:07 < hackbard> way cool! (your words) :)
00:07 < hackbard> hi owl
00:07 < Mike1> hey! yeah you are stilling my words!!!
00:07 < Mike1> stealing/*
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00:08 < n00kie> re :/
00:10 < Mike1> boltzman distribution mm... was that the thing used to determine the distribution of molecule energies?
00:10 < Mike1> hackbard: i'm kinda new on this yet..
00:11 < Mike1> so i really don't think could give you a mathetical proof..
00:11 < Mike1> mathematical even
00:11 < Mike1> :)
00:12 < Mike1> hackbard: ?
00:13 < hackbard> no, it's a probability distribution
00:13 < Mike1> hackbard: mm.. so as i said it was a guess :)
00:13 < hackbard> u will learn that in statistical physics
00:14 < Mike1> hackbard: mmm... i see
00:14 < hackbard> but ur right, it depends on the energy of a system!
00:14 < Mike1> hackbard: btw you might regret to have made me want to learn physics
00:14 < Mike1> i will bug you to death with questions :)
00:14 < hackbard> hehe, why? :)
00:14 < hackbard> hehe
00:14 < hackbard> ic
00:15 < Mike1> hehe :)
00:26 < mnemoc> re
00:26 < Mike1> wb mnemoc and bye
00:26 * Mike1 leaving to church
00:27 < Mike1> n8 all
00:27 < mnemoc> good church
00:28 < n00kie> Sleep Well Mike :)
00:28 < Robin_Root> Bye
00:28 < Robin_Root> n8
00:29 < owl> hi Robin_Root
00:29 < owl> aeh? wasn't you in #anarchy yesterday? *confused*
00:30 < Robin_Root> Yes
00:30 < Robin_Root> Hi owl
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00:41 < A-Tui> hi
00:42 < mnemoc> hi
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01:01 < [dd]holyolli> re
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01:21 [ A-Tui  ] [ fronti  ] [ Mike1    ] [ owl     ] [ rolla] [ tfing] 
01:21 [ aszlig_] [ hackbard] [ mnemoc   ] [ Parabull] [ rxr  ] 
01:21 [ daja77 ] [ jose_   ] [ n00kie   ] [ praenti ] [ SMP  ] 
01:21 [ esden  ] [ kasc    ] [ netrunner] [ ringo78 ] [ snyke] 
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02:37 < rolla> re
02:37 < rolla> anyone alive?
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03:08 < mnemoc> i'm anyone
03:08 < rolla> :)
03:08 < rolla> I booted my install cd and it won't load teh stage 2 :(
03:09 < mnemoc> i'm not enought to help you with that :(
03:10 < rolla> dang
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05:36 < george> g'morning
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06:52 < owl> *yawn* good morning
07:37 < netrunner> moin
07:38 < netrunner> happy cadaver.
08:15 < netrunner> oh, wrong day.
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09:34 < rxr> RE
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10:27 < uninvit3d> Hello
10:30 < capchaos> Anyone has problems with ftp.leo.org, too? (curl: (22) The requested file was not found)
10:34 < capchaos> Or am I supposed to handle the mirrors different with rene's tree?
10:35 < owl> moion
10:36 < capchaos> Hi, Owl!
10:36 < owl> aeh. moin.
10:36 * capchaos getting "file not found" all the time.
10:38 < capchaos> Any idea, Owl?
10:38 < owl> capchaos: why me? am i looking like a rock-person?
10:39 < capchaos> No, you look like a rock-owl. :)
10:39 < owl> capchaos: wrong guess. erebos-owl ;p
10:47 < capchaos> Anyone a hint what I'm doing wrong?
10:48 < owl> capchaos: i guess the leo-guys didn't update the source? maybe...
10:48 < owl> might you should try another mirror or the original-download-location or so
10:49 < capchaos> Same I had with ftp.gwdg.de ... do you know a mirror that works?
10:50 < owl> capchaos: nope... but i downloaded the sources from the original locaation
10:52 < capchaos> K
10:53 < owl> capchaos: works?
10:54 < capchaos> Yeppie
10:54 < owl> ok, then you can bring me a cup of cappucino now, capchaos :p
10:59 < capchaos> Sorry to disappoint to, mon cher hibou, I only have normal coffee :)
10:59 < capchaos> ..you..
11:01 < owl> capchaos: wuah. no normal coffee for me, please :-/
11:06 < rxr> the mirrors should work with my tree btw ...
11:10 < capchaos> They don't work here :/
11:31 < rxr> capchaos: what is the exact error
11:33 < capchaos> curl: (22) The requested file was not found .. that one?
11:34 < capchaos> I am using revision 397.
11:34 < rxr> for all packages - or only for some ?
11:34 < capchaos> Only those that I had not up to date lokally...
11:36 < capchaos> binutils-2.14.90.0.4.tar.bz2 is one of those ..
11:44 < rxr> a yes - this is a known issue, since I have not yet the required write access to the mirror infrastructure - this will change the next days
11:44 < rxr> just use mirror "none" for the missing files until then ..
11:45 < capchaos> Oki, thanks, rene.
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12:14 < owl> wb uninvit3d
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12:32 < rxr> Committed revision 408.
12:33 < capchaos> Thanks
12:36 < rxr> capchaos: for what ;-)?
12:36 < capchaos> For your telling me :P
12:36 < rxr> ah ;-)
12:37 < owl> *g*
12:37 < rxr> I usually paste those messages here when I did some major work/merging ...
12:37 < capchaos> Then, for your engagement.
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13:00 < hackbard> moin rockers
13:01 < owl> hi hackbard
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13:03 < blindcoder> hi all
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13:05 < blindcoder> goood, now it works
13:05 < blindcoder> hi all :)
13:05 < owl> hi blindcoder
13:05 < blindcoder> hi owl
13:08 < ringo78> hi blindcoder
13:08 < blindcoder> okay, /me --> lunch
13:12 < ringo78> How is voip in gnome called ?
13:12 < kasc> moin
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13:22 < uninvited_de> Hi blindcoder
13:24 < blindcoder> back
13:24 < blindcoder> hi uninvited_de
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14:08 < kasc> blindcoder: you here?
14:08 < blindcoder> kasc: sure
14:09 < kasc> what about freedroid_rpg maintainership? I'm currently making some fixes for it
14:10 < blindcoder> If you want i, take it.
14:10 < blindcoder> s/i/it/2
14:10 < kasc> k
14:10 < kasc> thx :)
14:19 < capchaos> Hm, -notimeout seems not to work anymore for curl.
14:23 < esden> good morning
14:23 < capchaos> Moin, esdy
14:24 < esden> moin cappy ;-)
14:24 < capchaos> ;p
14:28 < owl> hi mr. everywhere-esden :p
14:29 < esden> Error logs from default-2.0.0-beta4-x86-pentium-generic-expert:
14:29 < esden> 1570 builds total, 718 completed fine, 38 with errors.
14:29 < esden> argl ... I THOUGHT THAT MOST PACKETS ARE FIXED NOW >_<
14:29 < esden> grr
14:29 < owl> calm down, esden :p
14:29 < capchaos> Optimisation issues?
14:31 < owl> *AAAAAARGH*
14:31 < owl> "unter ruehren kurz aufkochen lassen" << someone can tell me how long is "kurz"?
14:31 < esden> capchaos: donno ... I saw it now ... I have to look in it more carefully ... 
14:32 < esden> but IT SUX !!! *drisch*
14:32 < capchaos> Depends on how hot you are Owl *fg*
14:32 < esden> lool
14:32 < owl> capchaos: bllll :P
14:33 < owl> more serious please... a friend didn't send me yet the "spaghetti cook howto" nor other tutorials how to build something eatable
14:34 < esden> from 5-kdelibs.err : /opt/qt31/include/qwmatrix.h:111: internal error: Segmentation fault
14:34 < esden> superb ... the new gcc is so _good_
14:34 < owl> 3.3'?
14:34 < esden> ack
14:35 < capchaos> Yeh, only the applications suck ;)
14:35 < esden> capchaos: yes sure
14:35 < owl> why using the latest gcc as default-compiler, when the release of rock should be soon?
14:35 < capchaos> It is supposed to have fixed more bugs.
14:36 < esden> owl: argumentation of rxr : it is producing better code is more stable ...
14:36 < esden> but we had no segfault problems in earlier gcc's
14:36 < esden> and segfault sounds really bad
14:37 < owl> esden: as i read on the lfs-suppor ml, gcc-3.3 has much more problems than earlier version
14:37 < owl> and i'm not sure if linux-2.4.20 is really buildable with gcc-3.3.
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14:38 < uninvit3d> re
14:39 < capchaos> owl, actually not. They (gcc) dropped things like multiple line strings.
14:39 < owl> capchaos: actually not? pardon? kernel or problems?
14:42 < capchaos> printf("dies "
14:42 < capchaos> "geht nicht mehr im gcc-3.3"
14:42 < esden> do shops have open today?
14:42 < capchaos> "aber linux-2.4.20 macht das oft so");
14:42 < capchaos> esden, normally not.
14:42 < esden> argl
14:43 < uninvit3d> esden> if there is a female owner... ;-)
14:43 < capchaos> gas stations maybe have ;)
14:43 < owl> uninvit3d: aeh??? what has this to do with male or female owners? because of this stupid "vatertag"?
14:44 < uninvit3d> heheh aye.
14:44 < esden> uninvit3d: hi ... why don't you answer on my icq messages?
14:44 < owl> .oO(men...)
14:45 < capchaos> .oO owls :p
14:45 < uninvit3d> esden i m currently re-installing my system, becaus of hdd-crash.
14:46 < owl> capchaos: :p
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14:46 < rxr> capchaos: the kernel doesn't do this that often - I only saw the FP emulation code so far
14:46 < rolla> re
14:46 < esden> uninvit3d: what are you doing with your machine
14:47 < capchaos> rxr, ok. With my conf it did.
14:47 < uninvit3d> esden> youre talking of my indigo2 or just my i386 ?
14:47 < esden> uninvit3d: you must not kick it ... it is always leading to a hd crash ;-)
14:47 < rxr> capchaos: in rock we compile prettz much into the kernel - which different places have this?
14:48 < capchaos> Uhm, have to have a look at it.
14:48 < esden> uninvit3d: in my icq messages I wanted to inform you that I was in bitz yesterday and that you cauld come by with your indigo2 and irix and
14:48 < esden> -and
14:49 < uninvit3d> esden> i see. Had a 27hours+nosleep day, so i decided to take some sleep. What about this weekend !?
14:49 < esden> uninvit3d: that is ok ... 
14:50 * netrunner is now carless.
14:51 < uninvit3d> esden> Will you be at BITZ saturday afternoon ???!
14:51 < esden> uninvit3d: I think so
14:51 < esden> netrunner: ?
14:52 < esden> hi netrunner sbtw.
14:52 < uninvit3d> esden> sounds great...gonna come around ... cya ... have to continue installation & reboot ... cya all
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14:52 < netrunner> can anyone tell me why my cluster build always hangs with 5-mew? (which coredumpes somewhere during build and doesnot leave log)
14:53 < netrunner> esden: just gave my car to the girl who bought it .
14:53 < esden> because gcc-3.3 sux? ;-)
14:53 < esden> netrunner: does she at least look nice?
14:53 * netrunner *kick*s esden
14:53 < esden> netrunner: :P
14:54 < netrunner> esden: she came with her friend and looked ... well ... well-feeded :)
14:54 < esden> urgh ... ok
14:54 < netrunner> was nice though.
14:54 * netrunner now has looots of money in his pocket.
14:54 < esden> netrunner: do not throw it away immediatly
14:56 < netrunner> esden: have to buy a new car. tonight.
15:00 < rolla> grrr
15:01 * rolla hates sendmail
15:01 * rolla wants to shot every programmer who thinks it is a good idea to give an error but not saay where
15:04 * netrunner hands ammunition to rolla
15:05 < esden> grr I am hungry!!!
15:06 < rolla> netrunner: thanks
15:06 < owl> esden: welcome in the club.
15:06 * -> esden -> hunting
15:06 < rolla> I hate programs that say permission to write failed but does not say where it was trying to write
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15:23 < showGUN> hi all
15:23 < capchaos> hi showGUN
15:23 < rolla> hallo
15:24 < showGUN> if i'd like to install varicad, and it is only in .rpm and .deb so what distrib is like rock-linux (mandrake, redhat, suse, debian?)
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15:25 < capchaos> varicad?
15:25 < capchaos> There is no distribution like ROCK Linux, showGUN ;)
15:30 < showGUN> varicad pretty cool
15:31 < showGUN> capchaos: but mc frozes in every panel-toggle (i like autobuild), and can't manage .rpm it won't be easy to do it manually with 10Mb rpms
15:41 * showGUN is away, automatically dead (10m) (l/p)
15:47 < owl> .rpm???
15:49 < rolla> :)
15:49 < rolla> yes owl redhat
15:50 < owl> *cough*
15:52 < showGUN> yes, .rpm i can't do anything with it
15:53 < owl> where?
15:53 < rolla> showGUN: compile rpm for your system
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16:04 < showGUN> what?? how?? i don't really have sources
16:05 < showGUN> varicad sources are not public :(((
16:05 < showGUN> for simple users ....
16:07 < rxr> Committed revision 411.
16:16 < owl>  O_o
16:16 < owl> no public sources? oh my god!
16:17 < rolla> showGUN: no the sources for rpm :P
16:20 < rxr> Committed revision 412.
16:21 < rolla> rxr
16:21 < rolla> what would cause the cd not to be able to load the stage 2 ram?
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16:28 < jsaw> hi
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16:29 < rxr> rolla: to less memory ?
16:29 < rxr> hi showGUN
16:29 < rxr> err hi jsaw  ;-)
16:29 < jsaw> hi rxr
16:30 < rxr> jsaw: thanks for the hotplug code - I'll soon look into it ;-)
16:30 * rxr just merging your IDE patch ...
16:32 < jsaw> rxr: could you put the hotplug stuff into svn (as rockplug) ? so that I can continue...
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16:34 < owl> wb snyke
16:34 < rxr> jsaw: hm as an own project or so ?
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16:36 < rolla> rxr no
16:36 < rolla> I am booting my install cd
16:36 < rolla> and I am at the point where you start the install but it will not load the stage2 from the cd
16:38 < rxr> hm ide or scsi CD ?
16:38 < showGUN> rxr:hi (in time:k)
16:38 < jsaw> rxr: yes
16:39 < rxr> jsaw: do we want to let this stay an external project ?
16:40 < rolla> ide
16:40 < rolla> it says something about minix
16:43 < rxr> minix ?
16:44 < esden> poor clifford ... writing vhdl ... oh my oh my
16:44 < owl> vhdl?
16:44 < netrunner> urgs
16:44 < rxr> Committed revision 414.
16:45 < jsaw> rxr: I/we will not consider other distros, on the other hand, there will be stuff in it, others (maybe even Greg himself?) might find usefull. So maybe it could stay an external project. Let's decide this later.
16:45 < owl> .oO(rene is more faster with commiting revisions than you can look)
16:45 < jsaw> warp 10
16:46 < rxr> owl: nope this catedit fluff tock far too much time here (dammed code)
16:46 < rxr> jsaw: ok then I'll create a wohle own repository only for rockplug
16:46 < owl> hmmm. k.
16:46 < rxr> but first I'll short eat "a few bits" ;-)
16:48 < jsaw> == 16:44:00 =[1]=> Building base/linux24-src [2.4.21-rc3 2.0.0-beta4].
16:48 < jsaw> == 16:46:08 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.21-rc2 2.0.0-beta4].
16:48 < jsaw> rc2 <-> rc3
16:48 < showGUN> ok have to go byetz
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17:04 < ringo78> ggggggggggggggggggggggg
17:06 < owl> ?
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17:07 < netrunner> may I mention that 5-mew hangs the (cluster)build here? After disabling it it goes on.
17:09 < netrunner> hm ... weird, I thought I disabled it but now he built it and continued :(
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17:35 * netrunner away (upgrading new car with handsfree and stereo :)
17:37 < rxr> is http://www.kernel.org/ down ???
17:37 < capchaos> rxr, works.
17:38 < tfing> works here too
17:40 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rockplug/
17:41 < rxr> jsaw: you have full write access (as I have) with the pass matching the crypt you mailed me weeks ago
17:41 < rxr> jsaw: maybe you could announce it on the ROCK List ?
17:41 < jsaw> rxr: yep
17:42 < rxr> hm now kernel.org works - timed out twice before ... ?!?
17:43 < capchaos> Maybe no route with your DNS.
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17:52 < Mike1> moin my friends
17:53 < capchaos> Hey, Don Bolanos!
17:53 < Mike1> hi capy
17:55 < owl> hi Mike1
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18:00 < rxr> jsaw: did you checked rockplug out? Does all work for you?
18:02 < rolla> re Mike1
18:06 < rxr> jsaw: I now added you to the rockplug commit mail list
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18:16 < jsaw> I have to leave now, cu l8r
18:17 < rxr> ok cu
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18:42 < rolla> w
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18:51 < george> rxr: commit okay, cu when I'm back home in a couple of minutes...
18:51 < george> rxr: commit email 2, cu l8r
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20:09 < rolla> re
20:48 < rolla> anyone?
21:01 < netrunner> what?
21:02 < rolla> just seeing if anyone was alive
21:03 < netrunner> rolla: so count me :)
21:05 < praenti> hi
21:05 < praenti> esden: da?
21:06 < praenti> ahh sorry here?
21:07 < blindcoder> hi all
21:07 < praenti> hi blindcoder
21:07 < blindcoder> hi praenti
21:13 < netrunner> hi blindcoder
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21:14 < showGUN> hi all
21:15 < showGUN> is anybody here from #421?
21:15 < showGUN> opp
21:15 < showGUN> +421?
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21:17 < blindcoder> oka, install report is sent :{
21:17 < blindcoder> :)
21:17 < blindcoder> brb
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22:37 < daja77> moin
22:37 < rolla> re
22:37 < daja77> hey rolla
22:44 -!- uninvit3d [~uninvited@ppp-62-245-208-111.mnet-online.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:44 < uninvit3d> Hello
22:44 < daja77> hi uninvit3d
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23:08 < Freak> re guys
23:08 < uninvit3d> re
23:09 < Mike1> Welcome Freak!
23:09 * Mike1 invites uninvit3d to stay around more often
23:09 < Mike1> *ggg*
23:10 < Freak> heh
23:10 < Mike1> re all btw
23:11 < uninvit3d> hehehe nice one mik1
23:11 < uninvit3d> mike1
23:11 < Mike1> :)
23:11 < Mike1> uninvit3d: how is life treating you ?
23:12 * Mike1 feels like socializing today
23:13 < uninvit3d> lifes treating me like i d be a fu****g who** ;-)
23:13 < Mike1> i see
23:13 < uninvit3d> Looks like you will have to take a break on your social engineering here ;-)
23:14 < daja77> Mike1: ???
23:14 < daja77> hi Mike1
23:14 < Mike1> hi daja77
23:14 < ringo78> sozializing hi all
23:14 < Mike1> uninvit3d: nah, i just have been quite away for a while
23:14 < Mike1> hi ringo78 :)
23:14 < daja77> Mike1: what do you mean by socialising
23:14 < ringo78> hi Mike1
23:14 < Mike1> daja77: as in chatting for 1/2 a bit
23:15 < daja77> hehe
23:15 < Mike1> daja77: you see i will be around for sometime after tomorrow
23:15 < daja77> huh?
23:16 < daja77> you are leaving now, or what?
23:16 < Mike1> yes i am leaving cr.net tomorrow...
23:18 < uninvit3d> define "leaving cr.net"
23:19 < Mike1> #define leaving_cr.net quiting
23:19 < rolla> ?
23:19 < rolla> where are you going mike?
23:20 < Mike1> untill sars goes away from sg, i have no clue
23:20 < Mike1> but i don't wanna stay here more
23:21 < Mike1> need to find contracts to do
23:21 < daja77> what ybout your company?
23:21 < Mike1> and / or a new temporary job
23:21 < Mike1> daja77: its doing fine, but its not big enough for me to give it full my time yet..
23:26 * daja77 off now, cu
23:43 < uninvit3d> mike1> where will you get a new contract. Any ideas ?
23:44 < Mike1> no clue _yet_
23:44 * Mike1 calling contacts
23:46 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
23:46 < A-Tui> hi
23:55 < daja77> hey A-Tui
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